Taylor Frankie Paul: The Next Bachelorette

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What is up, Daddy Gang?

It is your founding father, Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy, Daddy, Daddy, Daddy.

Taylor Frankie Paul, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

Thank you.

I think let's just get right into it.

Okay.

You are on Call Her Daddy, so we can officially announce that you are this season's bachelorette.

How are you feeling?

To be honest, surreal.

It has not hit me.

Like right now in this moment, I'm just thinking about it and it's like, it's not real.

It's not real.

And it's not going to be until I think the limo's pulling up, you know, and I'll be like, meeting the people so

nervous.

How did I get here?

Like in my head, I'm like, how is this happening?

That is my...

little, it's my answer.

Well, I would also say like, I think people are going to be so shocked and surprised for multiple reasons.

First that this was supposed to be the season of the bachelor.

Like there is supposed to be a man that's sitting there right now that I'm announcing.

And instead, it's you, which is the best surprise ever.

But how did it get to be you?

I'll give my perspective.

I don't know like how that worked out in my favor, but I was, I made a TikTok actually being like, you know, well, because people are like, you should go on the bachelor.

My, obviously my relationship was not, you know, it didn't work out or it wasn't working out.

And people could see that.

And like, you should just, you know, go on the bachelor.

I used to see like little side comments.

So I made a funny video, and this was actually three years prior.

I made the same video, but I was like, hey, I'm single.

I think I'm looking for someone.

That's what the TikTok's saying.

I hope someone will take me.

You know, I'm on probation.

I'm also this.

And all these things outline that actually had been.

It's like a Lindsay Lohan TikTok.

I've seen it.

So, and then I literally was like, ah, this is funny.

Bachelorette, send it off.

And then once I did, like, people started tagging like the bachelorette.

You're like, you should, you should, you should.

And then I don't know if that got their attention or someone was like, yeah, maybe and then it was mostly it was a joke to me like unattainable right i don't think i'm never gonna be the bachelor no but i'll make a fun tick tock yeah and then i think yeah i

heard there was some talking and then it was like we had a meeting and then i i still didn't believe it until like i got the invitation will you be our bachelor and i was just like i was same thing shaking pacing back and forth i was like there's no way there's no way when they offered it to you did you have any hesitations um

yes okay yes asked me about those I did.

I was, I guess, going in my head, I'm like, okay, how do I make this work?

I'm a co-parent.

I have two baby daddies, not one.

So I'm dealing with two different people, right?

My children, my home base is here.

Can I travel that long?

Can I be gone that long?

But then I'm also thinking on the side, I'm like,

the other two moms, you know, that are in my group are doing Dancing with the Stars and they brought their family out, but also they have their husbands with them.

So for me, I'm like, is this possible for me to do like, as a single mom, can I make it work realistically no matter how much I want this?

And, you know, I was like, I can.

If I want to, I can.

You can do anything you want if you want.

And it's, that's, it comes down to that.

So I was just like, I will make it work.

I have a team of people that I don't think I utilize.

Like, you know, I can have them and, you know, help.

I can ask for help more and I don't, you know, usually.

But I came to a point where I cannot do all of this alone.

So, you know, I hired all my family, assistant, nanny, and I was just like, we're going to do it.

I mean, it is such a huge opportunity.

And I also recognize that the double standards of being a woman versus being a mom versus being a man and versus being a father.

It's like the dads get to just go and everyone's like, oh, he's like thriving.

And if a mom ends up doing something for herself, it's like there is a double standard of like, you're such a bad mom.

How could you do this?

So I do appreciate you sharing that.

There's like a lot of conversations that had to be had in order for you to think about taking this journey with yourself because it also involves your family.

Yes.

What was your family's reaction when you told them?

Also, I think very like shocking.

It took a minute for people to actually like, was it, is this an idea or are you getting it?

It was the same thing.

Like, and I think once it actually, we saw all the roses and whatnot, then it was like, oh, oh, and they're all excited.

My mom, obviously, my mom was like, I think this is a great opportunity.

This is something so new for me because obviously I got married young.

uh divorced and then the first guy i met was the next relationship so i have not done the whole meeting new people at the same like dating at the same time i don't know though you know how the bachelor works you're you're dating right like several people and so i've never done that so that will be new to me you never had a roster no you're not the biggest roster

is it registering to you yet no i'm how do people do it that's what i've been asking how because i've been asking guys like how do you guys do it you guys i know you guys like date girls and i've had flings sure when i was younger but i'm like this is like different like do you not feel bad like that's gonna be really hard for me like make or hurt people's feelings like what if you do like two people uh

it's gonna be fascinating to to watch.

And I think something that we're all very excited about is you are the first bachelorette in the history of the entire franchise to be coming from not the franchise.

Like you have not been a part of this.

You're coming in fresh.

You have no experience with this format.

Like, what do you think is going to be the biggest adjustment for you?

All of it.

Clearly.

Okay.

I'm going to be honest.

I've seen the show.

I've seen some, you know, I know the Hannah Brown and like Colton.

I've seen more of like, I would say the more recent years, but I am not a reality TV girl.

So I don't watch reality TV.

So when people are talking about all the huge stars that people know, you probably know all of them, you know, and I'm like,

it's new to you.

That is.

Like, sometimes I'm on a billboard and I don't know who I'm next to besides like Kardashian, which I still, I don't, I haven't watched reality TV.

So it's not like anything against them.

I just, I'm not, I like, I like to leave my reality.

My life's kind of crazy.

So I like to watch the scripted of where I can like leave, where I live reality TV, right?

Like that's my life.

cameras are not is chaos You know as you guys I mean some people have seen we've we've all seen it But I also think something that I think is exciting and when you're saying that is that exact fact that you aren't familiar completely with the format and I think what I'm excited for you and ABC to do is like let's lean into that right like let's see these moments where previously people will be like well I was a contestant and I know how to act on a group date and now when I'm the bachelorette or the bachelor I know how those things go you're gonna going to be like, I have no idea what's going on.

And I'm just going to go by what I feel, which I think is another part that's going to really excite people and make the viewing experience different.

Yeah.

Like, I don't have, like, I don't have notes of like how this works or what I, because my friends have seen it.

We were practicing a row ceremony and they had, they're all there with, they're pretending to be the men.

And I'm like, okay, um, William.

I

was literally practicing and I was giving, she's like, no, you don't do that before.

You like do that after.

And so I was like, oh, I was like, okay.

And like,

you're going to be like, what's your name over there with the black shirt?

Yeah, you get a rose.

Yeah, like you with the blue eyes.

Get over here.

I'm like, is there a name?

Is there a name in here?

Like, I don't know.

That's the thing is I don't know.

And that's, I know like some, but not to the extent of like my friends.

Like, they knew what they were doing.

I was like, oh my gosh, I'm going to ruin it.

Like, it's, you're not going to ruin it.

You're going to make it your own.

And I think that's why this season, like, the world is about to freak out when they find out that you are officially the bachelorette.

I do have to ask, because obviously people are obsessed with the secret lives of Mormon wives, can we confirm you are still going to be on that show?

Yes.

We're doing both.

Yeah.

Your fame has been such a topic of conversation with the other women on Mom Talk throughout this entire ride.

How do you think being the bachelorette will impact those friendships?

I would think.

sorry, just think about CMA, but like

you're like, you were going to go for a PR answer.

You're like, I think they'll be happy for me.

And then I'm like, bitch, no, no, no, no, no.

Okay.

Learning lesson for all of us.

I will say, including myself, in that moment, I was a little upset within the 24 hours.

We've already discussed that.

Okay.

Enough.

But

I think most of them are going to be happy for me and support me.

I can't speak for everyone and what they actually truly think.

You know, you never really know.

But I think we're all kind of doing our own things.

And so that's nice that everyone's getting their own shots.

And so then you could be like more of like, it's not just about her, her, her, her.

And so I love that two of our girls dancing with the stars.

I'm so excited.

I want to be at their first show.

I've been so like, I wanted that for them because they wanted it most, so much.

And I, like, when they both got it, it was amazing.

And then obviously you have Macy with her book tour coming up and she's going to be doing that and probably other things that are in the works that I might not even know about.

Wait, so have you told them that this is happening?

Yes.

All of them.

I think, yeah, most of them.

Yeah.

I think almost all of them them know.

Yeah, all of them know.

And did anyone give you a not-so-positive response?

No.

All positive.

All positive.

They're like, everyone was like, this is exactly like what you need.

And I think it's more so like, get out of the cycle you've been in.

Like, obviously, I've been kind of repeating the same things.

And it's just like, it's uncomfortable.

It's unknown.

I'm, but do it, you know?

So you don't think anyone's going to be having side group chats about this?

I mean, I won't, I can't say, but I don't know.

I don't know.

I guess we'll see on whatever season we'll be on, you know?

Like, I don't know.

Fair.

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Okay, we need to talk about some pictures that you recently posted of a man with a guitar.

Okay.

The internet was absolutely freaking out when you kind of, they thought soft launched this relationship with this man.

What is going on, Taylor?

Okay, so

here's the thing: it's me.

I do curveballs all the freaking time of being like, what, huh?

And I know that's people's reaction.

That's the freaking point.

And it wasn't a soft launch, whatever.

I've met the guy twice.

And so

it was funny.

I thought ABC is literally like code red, code red.

What is she doing?

They're probably like, wait, wait, what's the matter?

No, they did.

They, right?

They're like, wait.

So like, what's, I'm like, guys, it's okay like I do this all the time

I like to know I like to just like what's going on like I like to confuse people it's fun and it's entertaining I don't know so I guess I didn't really think that one too much through because I'm like

but and then I it said and I was like okay I can understand how this looks but to be honest I'm gonna be honest I've met him twice um

likable guy he's great Are we official?

No, I don't know the guy, right?

Or is it a relationship?

Nothing along the lines of like people soft lunch like how i don't know him you know so why did we post a photo of him well i see it wasn't really you didn't know who it was really so like what's going on the internet though you're like they like slooped so hard they found him i didn't know it would be like fbi working that i was like oh shit oh okay but it doesn't matter same it's the same story like he's a great guy he's nice he's like respectful and i wanted to some like i wanted to date a little bit before and that's the point is like i haven't dated like i need to get back into it and um that, I mean, don't people date before they go on a dating show?

That's the point.

And so, and so you guys just had like a, maybe like a summer fling situation.

Not even.

Not even.

Not, it's so, I don't think people know how like recent this is.

Like,

where do things stand between you guys?

Does he know you're going on the bat show?

Yes, right.

Okay, so he's not from Utah.

He's from a different state.

And so I was like, hey, I don't know you.

You don't know me.

We seem like we vibe.

Come visit.

Wait, how did you meet him?

Okay, at TikTok Live, he was singing and playing guitar.

And he doesn't, he doesn't normally, I I don't think he's, it was like new to him too.

So I, I was like, dude, this guy's got a voice.

And I've never one watched, sat and watched a TikTok live, really, nor do I write on them.

Okay, so I was the one who was like, you have a really good voice.

Can you play this song?

And he's like, oh, hey, Taylor.

Okay, get this.

It's actually a fun story right here.

So he, you can't go in, when you're on a live, you can't look at people's, like, who they are.

Technically, you could see the name.

So I was like,

I was like, that's a good song, blah, blah, blah.

He's like, hey, Taylor, like, where are you from?

And I was like, Utah, Mormon State, you know, blah, blah, blah, like teasing.

And he's like, oh, yeah, my ex-girlfriend used to watch that Mormon wife or the Mormon wife show.

And I was like, oh, I made an appearance in it one time.

And he was like, no way, you did.

And so I was like, literally just like teasing him.

And then he ended up looking me up after the fact and probably was like, oh, she was just like totally bullshitting me.

And I was like, what the fuck?

Oh, my God.

So he flew out.

You guys hung out twice.

Yeah, it's only been twice.

Okay, how would you feel?

If he showed up, though,

okay, going back to your original question, like, I did tell him, I was like, when he he got here, I was like, oh, by the way, I'm doing the best terrestrial.

And he was just like, oh, like, that's like, for there's no feelings there.

So it's like, cool.

And then he

obviously he was like, oh, I think

I was like, would you ever do it?

The next time he came, I was like, would you ever do that?

Come on.

And he's like, I don't really want to date on like reality TV.

Like, he's just like a good soul.

And for me, all my friends are like, green flag, green flag.

The fact that he didn't hop onto that.

Right.

That he wasn't like, ooh, sign me up.

Tell the producers to put me on.

Yeah.

It was like, he's like, go do your thing.

You know, if you meet someone, we weren't meant to be.

And if not, like, maybe I'll be here.

And I'm like, oh, you're like mature.

Okay.

I can't help but be like, why do I want him to like come halfway through and crash the season and show up?

Okay, so I did, I did have that thought.

I was like, okay, so he, he has all this like these high, so at least I know that there's a good guy there.

And it's like, maybe I do meet someone and that wasn't meant to be.

But like, let's just say I don't like anyone.

Cause I've, I asked that.

I was like, well, what if I don't find someone?

Like, how does this work?

Like, do I, I'm like, well, if you don't find someone, you don't find someone.

That's that.

And

so if, let's say, we're down the line, I'm like still not feeling it, then he, I was like, would you be open to it?

And he's like, if it's at the very end and you still had your mind on it, then yeah, I'd be open to it.

I think though, what's exciting for you, Taylor, is like you just said, because I've been there when you have only had like two serious relationships, truly, and you get out and you have the mindset, like, I'm about to start dating.

At first, it's terrifying because understandably, we're all our own worst enemy.

And we're like, oh my God, I'm going to be so awkward.

And like, how do I like flirt?

And how do I be cool and whatever?

But then when you start to find your groove, you, it's like fun and you actually enjoy yourself.

And then you start to be like, wow, I have these options and I can, you know, do whatever I want to do.

And so as much as it's exciting with him, I love that you were like, I just realized there's a nice guy out there that has like green flags.

What a concept.

And I have a feeling that when you get to the mansion, you're going to find a lot of those.

And you're going to be like, wait a second.

This is what it's supposed to feel like.

I should be courted.

I should be treated well.

I should have all these great experiences.

And I'm excited for you to experience that.

So yes, we like him, but I think it's going to be exciting to also see how many other guys you end up liking.

Yes.

And I also, you know what I mean?

Yeah.

And another guy, you know, I was like asking for advice from him.

He's just like, you don't have to be so quick to close.

Like, it's like, there's like this timeline, like, cause he was going to take me out on a date with, and I met Dakota.

And then he was going to take me on a date now.

And then he saw it.

He thought, like, are you dating people?

Like, he's like, they're, what's the, why is it so fast on the closing?

You know, and I'm like, that's a good question.

He's like, ask yourself that.

And one, make them work for it.

Like, make them work for it.

Like, show them.

And if you are, if they, like, like you and you're dating other people, then they're going to step up their game, really.

You just mentioned Dakota.

Let's, let's talk about

your ex, Dakota.

You're like, did I say that?

It was eventually going to come up.

Let's be honest.

A huge storyline of Secret Lives was your relationship with your ex, Dakota, this past season.

I'm assuming going on the bachelorette means that you two are done for good.

Yeah.

Yes.

It's over.

It's over.

And we'll see that play out.

Okay.

Yeah.

Who made the final call to end it?

I didn't.

So you officially think it's over with him?

I don't think.

I know.

Okay.

Yes.

When was the last time that you guys hooked up?

Yeah.

Let me think on that one, actually.

You're like, Alec.

It's like sweating in here.

You're like,

is this color, daddy?

Where am I?

What's happening?

Oh, I can't remember at the top of my head, to be honest.

Stage coach?

Oh, yeah.

That might have been maybe one after.

Maybe one after.

Maybe one or two after.

Okay.

Maybe a couple after.

Yeah.

Okay.

Again, it's just, it's just, it was, it's been very confusing, if I'm being honest.

And I did want to end up with him.

That was no secret to anybody.

It still isn't, it wasn't a secret.

And I'll always admit that to whoever asked me, did I love him?

Absolutely.

I had a baby with him.

I wanted to be with him, but it just did not work out.

There were certain things that were forever closing for me.

And again, that'll, everyone will see that.

And, you know, I can't speak on that yet, but it closed the book for me, but it was really hard to let go.

That was a hard pill to swallow that I can't be with you now.

And like,

there was no pain like it.

I will say I, that was one of the, the hardest, this last summer was one of the hardest summers I ever had because I was like, oh my gosh, Taylor, you have have to accept that you're not ending up with him.

And to walk away from someone you initially wanted is a pain that I can't describe to anybody unless you've probably, if someone's done it.

Yeah, so

it was hard to let go fully.

And it's like, when, oh, but did you hook up and this and that?

And it's like, yes, I loved, I loved him.

Like, I wanted to be with him.

I can't.

I won't be with him.

But that was a hard one to, I had to let go.

And it was hard.

Dude, I think it's so hard.

And I think a lot of us have been in those type of relationships where

it ends so poorly, but then there's still a part of you when you were the one that was like hurt and done wrong where you're like, I want to still like have a couple last moments with you because, like, fuck, I wish this didn't end the way that it did.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Like, it's hard to let go.

Like, it is like, I, oh, I want, I wanted this.

Like, and it's not that easy to be like, okay, F you, it, yes, you do say that, but like, it still was not easy.

And I did have those back, you know, those setbacks.

And I, I won't lie about them.

Like, I, I had them.

And I love that you're being honest, though, because girls watching and listening, like, we've all been there where you're like, okay, how am I going to tell my friends that we were just together last night?

And you're like sitting there in the morning being like, okay, I'm just going to tell them.

I'm just going to tell them.

And, and we've all been there.

So you almost can't judge yourself because that just means like you still need a little bit more closure.

And that's okay.

And a lot of times I actually really believe it takes finding someone new.

Yes.

Because when you're just still in that rhythm, it's so hard to be like, okay, so now I'm just going to go sit in my room and stare at the ceiling.

Literally.

If you don't have a guy taking you on a date that you actually like.

Yeah.

I now understand that because my friends were like, you just need to like get under someone else.

And I'm like, uh, maybe not.

Like, I was like, I don't want to go that route this time.

Like, I don't want to do that.

And I didn't to an extent of I, I don't, that wasn't my intention, but to have maybe a new crush that, you know, distracts you or you, there are other guys out in the world.

You have to remember that because you, you, you hone and you're like, no one else, no one else.

But there is.

And you did that and you were like, wait, green flags.

I'm having a great time.

Yeah, I'm like,

yes.

Okay, wait.

Have you told Dakota that you're going to be the bachelorette?

I have not confirmed it with him.

So I don't know if he knows or if he knew I had the opportunity.

I haven't taken it.

He doesn't know as of, so he might know when does this come out?

Wednesday.

Yeah.

So he'll know Wednesday.

How do you think he'll react?

I think probably sad.

If he, I guess, if anything he says is real, I would say sad.

He does know that I was dating and, you know, meeting people.

So that we've already had that

first hurt.

I guess I think that's the hardest part is you see their first dating or hookup or whatever it is.

That's going to always like take a toll no matter what.

And I can even say that with my ex-husband, right?

It was always the first.

They're just like, whoa, you know?

But this is like, official.

Like you're moving on.

Yeah.

Do you think he'll watch?

Yes.

I think he's always watching as of now.

And maybe it takes him to like someone new and focus on her.

And then maybe it'll be different.

I can't say.

But

okay.

Well, now that you will be announced, they can finally start casting the men for your season.

I want to walk through what your dream man is today.

Okay.

Okay.

We're going to start with age.

What is an ideal age range for you?

I preferably, I think,

see, I would 30s, early 40s, youngest is the late 20s, but

I think preferably 30s.

How much younger would you go, you think?

20,

27, 28, the lowest.

Lowest, lowest.

And what is the highest you would go?

Probably 42, 43.

So that's about a 10-year difference.

Yeah.

Does he have to be willing to move to Utah?

Yes.

Yep.

I mean, I'm sorry if that is a make or break for them, but yeah, I am in Utah and I have two baby daddies.

I'm going nowhere.

So you will be be moving to me in Utah.

So if you like me enough, you will be moving.

You will be moving.

Hey, Utah's pretty cool.

Utah's not that cool.

What is an ideal career for him?

Like, what I, like, what?

Like, what do you want him to do?

Oh, see, that doesn't matter.

Doesn't matter.

I obviously want him to be like hardworking, motivated.

Like, I prefer that.

I don't, you know, want just someone that's not, right?

Because you're also, like, I have three kids.

And I don't want to be the, I don't want to be mom and dad.

Like, that's what I am now.

And it's really hard.

and they actually have their dads but I'm speaking in my own home right like I'm doing a lot of things besides my support of my family but at nights it's me I have to wait to they go to bed to have a shower like things you typically can do I can't do until I have a helping hand so um

yeah I just want them to be like willing would you be down for like an influencer social media creator type person I would I'd be open to it preferably not but I would be open to it would you be okay if you remain the breadwinner?

Yes.

Yes.

Okay.

What does his ideal date night look like?

Like, what are you hoping he's doing on a date night for you?

See, that changes.

That switches up.

Cause I do love, obviously, if you were to surprise me with a cute, like, let's say

out fun activity date.

That's awesome.

But to be honest, like, I also love a really chill date.

So if we were just to go grab freaking fast food somewhere, put on our crocs and sweats and go and get to know each other and just talk for hours and hours.

I love that because you're getting to know them.

I don't really want to jump into, I've done the whole jumping into like either if you're just like cooking up and I always regret that because it's like, we, I just gave you a really special thing, you know, and that I like to lead up to that.

I want to do that.

And then also

get, I love communicating and talking, not just like, you can go distract yourself with the games, the arcades, jazz king, whatever it is.

Sure, those are fun and I want to do those, but I also I want to get to know you.

I'm excited though, you saying that, because I think that will play really well into the bachelorette.

Because although the format is so beautiful and romantic and you're doing these incredible, extravagant trips, when it comes down to it, the way that you actually find your people by the end is by having very intimate conversations.

Although you'll be like on a fucking Ferris wheel or some shit in the middle of France, you're going to be like, okay, wait, no, but tell me about your life.

Literally.

And I'll be asking details that they don't like to, I make them very uncomfortable.

I've learned.

And I asked the nitty-gritty, I'm like, so

your last girlfriend, like, why did that end?

And what, like, what's the last position?

Like, what?

Like, I literally like to, it's weird.

Like,

it's not even, you can call it.

I just like to know, and I'm teasing to that extent, right?

If I'm knowing,

I'm like, girl, are you kidding me?

Literally, when I met my husband, I was like, let's talk about every single girl you've ever dated in your life.

He was like, you're insane.

I was like, I know.

No, but actually tell me.

Yeah, no, seriously.

I like to know like the background of you.

And not even just girls, but your family.

Like, even church will be a fun one to like learn about new churches because I'm open to any religion.

Like, okay, wait.

wait so confirming does he need to be mormon no no have you told your family that yes i preferably not okay i mean i'd be open to mormons i'm still i'm obviously because i'm my mormon but like i he doesn't have to be okay it's night one he's walking out of the limo what do you want him to be wearing ideally

Don't they all kind of have to wear tux?

Well, uh, I feel like as the night progressively goes on, some of them are showing up in like swim trunks.

I'm like,

it gets a little crazy.

You want a minute tox.

Oh, that, or I would actually be fine with like jeans and a

you're like, wear your sweatpants and your Crocs.

And that I'd be like, hey, hey, if they know me, if they've done studies on me, they know that they are like, I can show up in Crocs and she'll be watching every man shows up in fucking Crocs.

What is something at an entrance moment with a guy that would be an immediate no?

Ooh,

that's a good one.

I have not thought that far.

An immediate, no.

Okay, honestly, this is a big ego, and you can tell that off energy.

And so, if someone's like, and I know they're trying to impress, there's a difference, I think, between impressing and you can just tell their ego.

So, if I feel like it's a really strong one, to me, it's gonna be like,

like, I think it's unattractive.

I completely agree.

Okay, as I said, the entrances progressively get more and more and more insane, and like, shit gets really weird.

How would you feel if a guy rolls up and performs a strip tease?

I would actually probably low-key love it.

It'd be entertaining.

Like, I'm like, it would probably, you know, switch up the night.

Yes, because you know, you're probably doing some of the same, like getting to know you, and then someone just comes and strips.

I'm like, hell yeah, let's switch it up.

Let's go.

He'd probably get it.

He'd probably get a

rose.

He's got a rose.

Yeah, he's not going home night one.

Oh my God.

Okay.

That doesn't mean, that doesn't mean everyone comes stripping.

Okay, I can only handle one of that.

One boy.

Yeah.

Okay.

He comes in jeans, no shirt on a horse and then lassoes you in.

Definitely, he's not going home 91 either.

Dude, we're giving everyone the playbook.

They're all going to roll up.

I'm upset.

I'm an open mind too.

I love it.

And you're also down to have fun, which I think is good.

Yeah.

Okay.

Last one.

He pushes a stroller up the driveway, looks you in the eyes and says he's ready to be a stepdaddy.

He might get that impression rose.

The stroller wins.

He gets a first impression rose.

Okay, maybe not that far, but he's not going home 91 either.

So he's getting the rose.

Yeah.

Okay, people, like you had mentioned, you know, you don't need the guy to be Mormon, which I think a lot of people were probably wondering, right?

Because you're on a show called Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and you are Mormon.

Yeah.

But I think you have been criticized for not being Mormon enough because of the way that you live your life publicly.

What is your take on that?

So for me, I always say, I actually just had posted a TikTok and there was a comment saying like, hey, like, you don't have to be in this cult religion to be, to find happiness, because I'm in the video, I'm reading the Bible, and it's the Bible, not the Book of Mormon, is what I'm not reading in the video.

So just make that clear.

So to me, just to have those foundations, and I do preferably want someone that, you know, does believe in God, right?

Because when you're raising your children and it can get confusing when one doesn't and one doesn't, I do think about those things.

And that's where I also like, I'll try to get to know them and where they stand on that.

But I'm also, I am up for hearing their side of it because I have been also told, look, you believe so firmly in something and I can respect that, but there is also, I don't believe in it, and maybe you can respect that because we both don't have proof on it.

And it's, that's where faith comes in, right?

There is, I can't show you that it's real, but I can only believe.

And that's faith.

And then also there is a point that he can't prove that it isn't, right?

And so that I was like, that's a good take on it.

Like, you're right.

I can't prove anything.

But I think the foundations of like, even Christianity is kind of all like just the found, like love, family, service, all the basics is what I really care about and how you treat other people.

I don't really care what religion you are.

How do you treat other people?

That is what I look at.

As you're saying that, I'm curious, like, how has your family handled, obviously, with the success of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, the spotlight on you guys not being Mormon enough?

Really?

I think for the most part, well, obviously, I am, I have the

thick skin that I do because of them because I or I wouldn't, I don't think be here today with all of the criticism I've gotten, you know?

So they've made us very tough.

And in a way of, yes, my mom was growing up very blunt and honest.

And I think that's a good thing because I was able to take what I take on now today, because I was always told the truth, even if it was the hard truth, right?

And

they were pretty laxed.

I think they're very like, we, you know,

We just understand like people make mistakes.

And yeah, people do all these things that Mormons say, oh, that's not how we live.

That's not our life.

Yes, it is.

Yes, it is.

Some of us do.

It's just behind closed doors.

You're not willing to show it.

And that's why it broke the the freaking internet because a lot of us do do those things, but it wasn't, it was very image-based.

Like, this is how we live.

We do know.

Oh, yes, everyone does.

Any religion.

We all make mistakes.

We're all freaking human.

We're no better than anybody else.

But it pissed them off.

It pissed people off because it's like, but that's not what we believe in.

Okay.

It doesn't matter if I drink, that doesn't make me a bad person.

If I smoke, if I take a sip of coffee, all the freaking rules, it doesn't make me less of a person than you.

And that was the point of it.

And I still stand like that.

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A huge part of the bachelorette is exploring your physical connection with the men on the season.

How did growing up in the church impact your relationship to how you felt about sex?

Very obviously taboo.

So if I'm doing it, I'm not talking about it.

I'm not telling my parents.

I'm not telling anybody.

I was very, I don't want to say secretive, but I was very like, oh, like I felt shame, guilt.

So it's going to be a secret.

And that I think is where everything, the irony in that is where I'm like,

when it, my shit came out, I was like, but why hide it?

Because I am already doing it.

Like, so, oh, well, just freaking own it at this point.

Like, um,

so yeah, it's something obviously we're taught don't have sex until you're married.

And

I have a, you know, I go back and forth with this too, with people's opinions, because I see what they're saying.

That obviously does prevent a lot of things of like pregnancies or STDs or just things that like you it does affect you if you're having sex right like but at the same time

I hate that I felt like if I did do it you know I wasn't married that I'm this awful person and to sit in that shame and I've also done that like for an experience I have done that where I've cried after a lot and I'm like oh my gosh I did something so bad and like the guy was like really nice and he was like but you

you did and you're not a bad person and he was trying to convince me and I'm like but I am and like it's just almost like you're you grow up with this um this guilt of it and I don't know if that's already just engraved in how we were raised but and that's no one to blame I think we were like obviously my parents their parents taught them that and so on and so forth and within our church I think a lot of LDS members could relate to that like very taboo and when that would come up a lot of people are still uncomfortable like it's sacred and I do I do understand that too it's personal and some people it

Maybe it should be personal too.

Like me, I think moving forward for me, I don't probably want to be talking about my sex life, to be honest.

I've been there.

I've done that.

I've broadcast it to the world and in so many different ways.

But I think moving moving forward for me and my piece, I think that's something I do want to be personal with my next person and maybe not talk so much on it.

And maybe that's just something I've grown into, you know?

So going on the bachelorette, obviously

the fantasy suites are this like

huge conversation around each season.

Because, you know, we see you guys on go on dates, we see everyone form these connections, but then when you're down to three people, the fantasy suites come into play.

Have you thought about how you are going to approach that?

I have, I have, and I have it set down.

Oh, my God.

But going prior to that, so I don't know if you watched the Kelsey season.

Kelsey and Joey.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, yeah.

I watched some of it.

Okay.

So in the fantasy suites,

they never talked about it.

And I wanted to know, because obviously he ended up picking Kelsey, but I'm like, but did he sleep with all of them?

Did he sleep with two of them?

Because he really, you could tell he loves Kelsey.

But for me, obviously, if someone had said they loved me and they slept with all of us, it would be a deal breaker for me.

Like

it would be.

So I was so curious.

I'm like, wait, I need to know.

Did he, did they not?

And they never spoke on it, which maybe out of respect, that's something he didn't want to share.

And so I also respect that.

I'm like, okay, maybe he just didn't want his sex life being broadcasted and his, him and his future potential wife, you know?

So I kind of respect that too.

I, there, it was never said.

So

for me, I do know how I'm going to go into that, but I, I don't want to give that away yet, right?

No, no, that's fine.

That's fine.

Um, let's say that ended up happening.

You had two connections, you, or three, and it ended up getting physical.

And then the men judged you for that.

How would you handle that moment?

Obviously, I'd feel lots of guilt.

I'd feel shitty.

And yeah, how can you be telling these, like, if there's one specifically, let's just say hypothetically, I'm telling one that I really, that I want him in my head, or I'm telling him maybe you're on there.

And then I do that.

To me, it's like, well, you didn't like me that much because you wouldn't have risked me.

And so I've been on the other end of that right so for me i would be like yeah you i wasn't enough because you knew the risk of like if you did do this i potentially you could lose me it's so hard though because as i'm i i agree with you because if i was in the position i'd be like wait if i'm the frontrunner how are you literally sleeping yeah with this person but what about me i think where it becomes complicated and is that's what you signed up for a little bit and i guess my question to you would be

I and everyone's different, but I think a physical connection is so important in a relationship.

True.

And I think, which is going to be interesting to see with your season, is

we can sit here all day and strategize and you can be like, Alex, I am going in and I have a plan that if I know my frontrunner, maybe I will hook up with them, but no one else.

And then how many seasons have we seen where they're literally standing with the producers in the back room being like, I'm going to lose my mind.

I love them both.

Like I'm literally in love with two people.

What do I do?

And if you're in that situation, Taylor, is it fucked up to be like,

yeah, I do you have to find out then what the physical connection is?

Because what if you are not as physically attracted or compatible with someone?

Yeah, I know.

And that's not something that's going to happen.

No.

Do you know what I mean?

I feel that.

And it's funny because my mom's back right here watching because I've told her that.

And I'm like, mom, you have to test the car before.

Like, how do you not know?

And like, that's a huge thing in marriages.

And if you don't connect, that could be a huge

issue down the road when you're married.

Like, and I do think that.

And so that's where it gets confusing for me because I'm like, I understand the waiting game, but in that situation, per se,

three, you know, two, three people, for me, I, I would feel disrespectful doing it to two people.

And that's, that's not to say, like, if there's another, you know, person doing that to each, they're wrong.

Yeah.

I also think in previous um seasons, the biggest note to anyone who has done that, it almost hasn't even been about them doing it.

And

that, that's why people are mad.

It's the lack of communication communication that comes with that, where it's like

be straightforward.

Be like, I am, I know this is the hardest thing to say.

I'm very torn right now.

And so, like, I need to explore both 100% in order to know at the end.

And like, but people never fucking do that.

But I get it because it's so hard because you're in the moment and then words get jumbled and you're like, okay, so you're going to try to be straight up.

Yes, I think, like you just said, be honest, because I think I can go back from my own experiences of like, the issue is what you didn't didn't tell me.

Like I was blinded by it.

That's where it hurts.

It's like the betrayal of it.

So I think if you're a straight up, but I also do think in my mind, if I'm, I'm trying to think of the flip side, let's say I'm one of the runner-up girls.

This is the bachelor.

He likes me.

He's telling me this.

And then he sleeps with all of us.

To me, I'm like, but I wasn't the, I wasn't your special one then.

I'm not that special because you just risked me and you just lost me.

So I do see that.

And maybe that's the wrong mindset, like going into this.

I don't know.

But for me, like, I think if you really, really, you're wanting one, and let's just say, yeah, you are in love with both, but I think there is one you like more than the other.

I agree with you.

One has to be a frontrunner in your heart and in your soul, but I think it takes a lot to get to the point of how you know that person is the right one.

True.

Because sometimes you don't see people for a long time or you have more dates with one.

Like,

girl, I'm stressed for you.

Okay.

Yeah.

Honestly, I don't know.

You're like, I actually take back everything.

I just said.

Ow.

No, the thing is, because I've never experienced it.

So when you're saying, yeah, you could say this all day, but you've never done it.

So how do you know?

And you're right.

What would your reaction be if one of the guys that was a front runner said that he wanted to wait till marriage for sex?

That's a hard one.

I would respect it because I'm like, oh, you're being respectful, but

you're like, my family would love you, but, but,

that, gosh, damn, that's a hard one.

Cause like you said,

see, I think there's a difference between, but like, I would be like, okay, if we were like the only ones and we were dating and we, you know, we had time, but like to be married, I would probably say,

I want to date.

I also, if there's an engagement, whatever it is, a process, I still am like taking my time with that too.

So I'm not getting married like tomorrow.

So are you, how long are you willing to wait?

And so that could be an issue down the road.

You, like we said, have been married and you've talked about in the past that you kind of felt pressured at that point in your life to get married.

The bachelorette obviously ends in engagement.

How are you feeling about that?

Like realistically, a man getting down on one knee after this, putting a ring on your finger.

Tell me how you feel.

I mean, I feel like I am

not one that's going to do it unless I feel that it's, I'm ready for it.

But let's just say I do find the man of my dreams and he's there and I fall in love.

If we get engaged, I still, again, I do want to take the time to be engaged and like still get to know him because obviously it's no secret that this is a short-lived process.

Um, so I do want to take that time again.

It's gonna be my third serious relationship.

I have children, it's gonna, it is a lot more serious rather than some like, I'm not a young girl just dating and like, can it's not gonna be like that for me, it just isn't, and that's okay,

but um, I would still want to get to know that person and I'm the engagement.

Yeah, I, I, obviously can see it because to me, if something were to come up that is alarming, I'm, you can break it off, you know, but it's not a full-on marriage where you're going through divorce and whatnot.

And then also, there's that time to grow and get to know them.

And then even have you, it's even more beautiful because it's a story.

And then you get married, you know?

So it can go both ways, but I'm a very honest person.

I'm going to say it as it is.

Like, and I'm only going to do it if it's the right person.

What is something in the past that you thought you wanted in a partner romantically?

And now you're like, I don't want that in a person anymore.

Okay, I've learned that I cannot do the life of the party guy.

I can't do it.

I can't do the class clown.

And I was, I'm attracted to that.

Yes, I am.

I'm like, oh, yeah.

Cause they're your vibe.

They're like high energy.

Like I, I'm that way sometimes, but

a passive is what I've learned that I think is best for me.

Like someone that is like personality fun, but like, do your thing.

Do your thing.

I, I, I'm one that cannot be controlled.

It actually makes me worse or told what to do.

That is something that I, I don't, I'm all for like advice or like compromise that I can do.

But when they're like,

Yeah, for me, I've learned, I went from one extreme to the other of like, yes, very passive, kind of do your own thing to one of very, let's do everything together.

And so when I found that, I was like, oh oh my gosh, I love this.

He wants to do everything with me.

And then it's like, oh, okay, like it becomes a lot.

And then I think I need someone in that middle, that middle.

Yeah.

It's almost like you can kind of use your past experiences to make sure you're shaping yourself around the right human being.

Because again, when you've only had like one to two experiences, it is tough to be like, wait, what else is out there?

Yeah.

And you're going to have 20 plus men and you're going to be,

you're going to be overwhelmed with the amount of different personalities, but the life of the party is so fucking real, it's so attractive in the moment.

It is, and then after like the fifth party, you're like, okay, wait, I'm like over here.

Like, hello, can you stop doing that?

Yeah.

Um, I want to talk about your ex, Dakota, in terms of throughout that relationship, you were very vocal that you kind of always felt like something was off.

Why do you think you kept trying to convince yourself that you should stay?

Uh, because I thought in my mind that it was

me.

It, uh, a trauma.

Like, it was too much back to back.

So I got divorced.

I had it go public.

I had a miscarriage.

I had another miscarriage.

So for me, it was a lot of like

my own decisions.

And then some were not my own.

Like, obviously losing, you know, having two miscarriages back to back was not my decision, right?

Like, and then so that is postpartum.

You're, I'm in postpartum.

And so I felt like, you're right.

I just have a lot going on.

There's a lot of trauma here.

Um, I need to work through this.

I need, it was always like, I, I believed that I'm feeling off because I'm scared.

I, there's just so much back to back that I'm not in my right mind is what I felt like.

And so for me, I was almost convinced, like, everything's okay.

You're just scared because you've been through so much pain.

And so I, I believed that.

And so I'm like, you're right.

Over time, I can heal this.

We can do it.

And it's great.

And

boy, was that a learning lesson.

Like, and it's just like,

I will never question that intuition ever again because I'm glad I went through that.

I realized how it's a gift.

I was how spot on I am in not just that situation or that relationship, but in other circumstances, it has been spot on almost to the actual thing.

And it's actually, I'm surprised at myself.

I'm like, oh my gosh, like, how did I know?

Like so many things.

And so for me, that voice is so there and loud now.

And moving forward with someone else, I will know.

instantly.

Like the fact that if I even have to question that, I know it's there.

But that in itself, I get pissed because I'm like, Taylor, you knew, you knew, and you knew, and you literally did not listen to yourself.

You trusted someone else over your own gosh damn self.

Like you literally, like, I, I get, I get resentful with myself, but I'm like, okay, I can't change it.

We can't change the past.

So I'm going to have to accept that that happened.

I'm going to have to accept that I ignored it and to never do that again.

So in my future relationship, if there's an inkling of like question, wondering, I will never feel that anxiety ever again in my bed, like with someone.

Like if I feel it, I'm out.

Like, that is, it was what I felt.

It's like, when you're with someone, that's, I guess it's a good situation.

There's this peace that it comes with.

When you go into the bachelorette, you're not going to have your phone to like fact-check what these men are saying.

And you can't sleuth and you can't look and you can't stalk and you can't do all the things that we girlies do.

How do you think you're going to build trust with men in this season?

Yeah, awesome.

And it's just based off of their word.

Yeah, it is.

I think it's, yeah, one, a feeling.

Two, you can kind of feel it, which is cool for us girls because we're like, ah, you're bullshitting me, but let's go.

Or

it's just a peaceful feeling.

And also, I think everything comes to the surface.

So for me, I'm not worried.

Like, if they're lying about something and it happens to come out later, dude, like, how did you think it wasn't?

If, if please, please, please, please, if you haven't watched my, the freaking, also our show, because like everything comes to the surface.

And not just in my life, but I've seen it in all like, you know, friends and family's life.

Like, if you're lying, it's going to come out.

How do you feel about all these men having the opportunity to watch Secret Lives of Mormon Wives?

Like, do you, does it freak you out a little bit?

Do you want them to watch?

Do you not want them to watch?

I go back and forth because obviously my first season, I was so freaking pregnant.

And for me, it was like, it's hard to watch yourself be pregnant with 70 pounds on.

I'm emotional.

My life is a mess.

Like, it's really hard to watch.

It's PTSD.

Like, for me, I'm just like,

so it could scare them a little bit.

Like, I'll give you an example of just the guy that came out of state to visit me right he did not want to watch the whole series because I he's like I wanted to know you for you and not the show and honestly if he had watched it he might have been a little nervous to come right

and he

but he still had seen you know clips and whatnot but he said you're just so different than I would have thought in a better way I would hope but he's like you're more calm and chill and you're there's like I've been told like there's a peaceful presence which I'll never understand that one because my mind is loud right so when people say that, I'm like, Really?

Like, it's so loud in here.

What peace are you getting?

You're like, Where did you get that from, babe?

Yeah, but it is.

And he was like, It's been like, I just didn't expect it.

And so, I think that's kind of exciting too.

And if they do see it, they maybe they get a whole nother side of me too that they don't know.

So, that's a good point.

It's like, whatever version they're gonna show up, whether they watched it or not.

And there has been a lot of moments that we've seen.

I know that we saw one of your lowest moments play out on the show, the night of your arrest.

When you do look back at that version of yourself, like, what do you feel?

Uh, that'll never be an a topic that's like not, that doesn't like, obviously, I feel like a, like a lump in my throat because it's just such a

hard time in my life.

And so all I resort, I never really even think about me in that situation.

Obviously, it's like my kids because they were involved, right?

Of like, um, they were in the house, and I never, the charges were um all dropped i never had hurt my daughter i never intentionally did anything with my children i never have ever and so that was like the hardest time just because like i am such a passive mom and like really good to my kids so to be known as something like that was like that is like the worst time but in that moment that we see on screen i see a lot of pain um and i didn't have any tools at that time so i was like

very lost and I remember you can hear it on the tape and I'm like they're like what's wrong what's wrong I'm like I'm in so much pain and sad and I'm literally like it's on the tape like I'm crying because he's like he's like acting like I'm like hurt he's like what's wrong what's wrong I'm like there's so much pain there's so much pain I know I can't

um

I guess I never even look at it for me like the time and that's why I felt guilt it's just like because I could have been like my therapist is like you were trying your best with what you knew you had

I never been through anything like that.

So I didn't have the tools.

And they were like, but you have to give yourself grace because you didn't know and you didn't have it.

And I was like, but

you could have, they're like, so you did the best that you can.

And they're telling me this in therapy.

But I'm like, no, I wasn't though.

I like, I wasn't for my kids.

Like, I think I was being very selfish.

And I've accepted that I was selfish at that time, but I've learned from it.

And I've been trying to, you know,

make up for it.

And obviously, amounts of the therapy, like immense amounts of therapy and tools and learning and made up time with my kids and having to, you know.

deny a lot of opportunities and and and it's because I want to be with my kids.

Like I did have a lot of time of grieving and loss that I don't want any more wasted time for my kids they're only small for so long so

that is a hard topic and just due to the um

you know what we all know about it but uh that was yeah one of my lowest nights on freaking TV and it's embarrassing and but with that has come a lot of learning lessons and I've become a better mom because of it because in my next relationship and even just the one like the little dating that I've done, it's just like, I'm sorry, but

don't want to go on a date.

I want to sit here and I want to ride back to my kids tonight.

And that's what I'm choosing because that is to me what feels like I should be doing on my days.

That's what I should have been doing.

It was a lesson learned.

I mean, I see it, the amount of pain that still lives in you, but I also think we just keep seeing your growth, even if it's not glamorous.

Yeah, yeah.

And having to talk about it, yeah, it's not easy, and there's no, there's no, um,

there's no right answer on that, other than

I've tried to learn from it.

There was obviously also

the whole controversy over the swinging parties that you and your ex-husband would go to became the biggest conversation at the time online.

Do you have any worries about how the men this season might perceive that situation?

Yeah.

See, that one's also another hard one because, yeah, they can have their preconceived assumptions and their families and their parents will probably also, like, it's not like,

I don't know like right if their parents are to read it they'd be like oh well be careful be safe like that's you know but again if they know if they've followed anything or the journey they go look at my Instagram whatever there has been such progress too that it's just like not who I am anymore it was three years ago it was a very short-lived

Let's see, learning lesson.

That's another one I've learned, right?

Don't for me, don't open your marriage because it didn't end well.

And I'm whatever.

If you have an open marriage, great.

If you have your system down, great.

I don't judge on that either because obviously I tried it, but it didn't work out, you know, and I don't think it would ever be healthy for me.

And I think when you're really in love with someone, you're probably not wanting to share them.

So obviously, there were lots of issues in the marriages.

And I would never do that again.

And also even put my foot in a position, right?

I think things start very innocently and not meant to be like that, or you didn't think it would get to this, or any of that.

So for me, another thing is just even friendship boundaries of like with men, right?

I have very like fine lines of things that I would not ever, you know,

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Like, there are just a lot of things that I would never even put myself in the position to be even alluded to that or anything like it.

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Okay, let's play a game.

Oh, no.

I am going to describe a man to you.

Okay.

And you are going to tell me if you would give him a rose.

Okay.

Okay.

He's a hopeless romantic, but he trauma dumps during your one-on-one.

I would give a rose.

Yeah, trauma dumping.

I mean, sometimes that's how you get to know someone.

And I feel like what I do is also explain my story and my story is a trauma dump.

So, I'm going to have to do that.

So,

I would expect that also.

So, and we have limited time.

So, Rose, I was going to say, like, maybe in the real world, if it's the first date, you're like, whoa, but you have this guy may be like, this is the only one I'm what I'm going to get for weeks.

I'm taking my shot.

I got to let her know where I'm coming from.

So, I agree.

Yeah.

Okay.

He's extremely supportive of your career, but won't be in your TikToks.

No, Rose.

That's my life.

That's my job.

Like, if you don't want to, I mean, I, oh, okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, Rose.

You're like, absolutely not.

Get in here and do the renegade.

No, like,

okay, not to maybe that, except for, like, I do a lot of family vlogging, and that's, like, what I share, and that's my kids, and I want him to be in my family.

And if I have to, like, blur out him, I'm like, duh, I want to show him off.

Do the women of mom talk need to approve of him?

I mean,

I do what I want.

So no.

No.

I would like their opinion.

Tell me what you think.

But if you say no and I still love him, I'm going with him.

Sorry.

Perfect.

Okay, he's protective of you, but gets jealous on group dates.

Rose?

Are you the jealous type?

See, I wasn't, and then I was.

And now I kind of am

yes, but I don't want to be like the crazy jealous type.

You know, I'm like oh like kind of jealous, but I don't I don't want to be I don't want to be possessive ever he got your first rose probably from doing the strip tease,

but he has drama with the other guys

Rose because it could be like a an alpha thing where men are like you know, they don't like him already because it's kind of like the the Maria of the group, right?

Like a lot of girls just didn't like her because she was like thriving and living her best life.

And she's like, why do you guys not like me?

And I'm like, yeah, why don't you guys not like her?

Like, she's awesome.

It's It's a great point.

Yeah.

Okay.

He has an amazing personality, but physically, he isn't your type.

Rose?

Do you think that physical connection can build over time?

Absolutely.

Yeah.

But I have fallen for people that, like, not fallen, but like liked people that aren't my type.

And then,

okay, for example, I'll just say within the swinging thing, like the one that I ended up liking was the one that everyone was like, I would have had no idea you liked him.

So like in my, in everyone's,

it's just, you can surprise yourself sometimes.

Your children love him, but your mom hates him.

Yeah, that's a hard one.

Um,

my mom doesn't hate a lot of people, so if she's hating him, that to me is her intuition is off, which would kind of nerve me out.

So, that would, that'd be a hard one.

I, I,

if my mom's hating him, I probably would not.

Are you planning on introducing your kids to any of the men i would like to i thought about this and i think the last runner-ups i don't know if it's like a two or three how i would it ends up for me but yeah i think that's very important i want to see how they interact with kids i want to see if they all kind of vibe or if they even like it or are they comfortable or is this like oh like maybe it scares them and like oh maybe i was ready but now that i'm surrounded by three little kids, I don't know if I can do this.

So I think that's a tester in itself.

So yeah, I think, and I will always obviously introduce them as like very like surface based, like not like, this is going to be your daddy type thing, like very surface of like just trying to get to know him, but I want to see how they interact.

Absolutely.

And you said that you would be down for a man who has kids of his own.

Do you think that would be a plus?

Like, do you think that would make someone stand out more?

Or it's like not something you're like.

looking for, but you're so down if they have it.

The second one, probably not like per se looking for, but if you have them, great.

It's not like a deal breaker at all.

Okay, talk to me about hometowns.

What are you most nervous for when it comes to hometowns?

Meeting their mom,

you're like, hey, girl.

Hey, I am.

Well, she's like the biggest secret live stamp.

I didn't even think about that part, actually.

Because what if they only like it because of the show?

They don't even like me.

They're like, oh, hell yeah, just the show.

I didn't even think about that.

Or the sisters.

Oh, my the sisters.

Like, the sisters are

scary one.

Yeah.

Yes.

Those are scarier than the moms sometimes, I think.

Honestly, they're protective.

Do you feel like you're good with parents or do you?

Okay.

I am.

I am great with parents and they always love me until they don't.

And that's just given the circumstances, I'm sure you can assume that obviously there were heart issues there.

But

yes, they usually like me.

How would you handle falling in love with someone and then at hometowns you realize that you don't get along with his family?

That would be a first for me.

I have never dated someone that I did not vibe with their family.

Never.

Would it be a deal-breaker?

I mean, I think for them, maybe.

Well, yeah, if they don't like me, I can't like convince you to like me.

So,

but no, not if he loved me.

No.

Would you need your parents' approval in order for you to accept an engagement?

I don't need their approval.

I would want them, obviously, I want their advice on it, but but no, if, like, if I fall in love with someone and they're like not obsessed with him,

it's not up to them.

So I hate to say it, but they're not the ones who have to end up with.

It's me.

And my mom always says that we're not the ones who end up with them.

It's your choice.

And so I like that, even if it's, they're not fans.

But obviously, looking at my past, maybe I should listen to my parents too.

Okay, well, last season on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, your family barbecue.

We watched your parents essentially side with your ex, Dakota, a little bit.

How has that impacted the way that you share your personal life with them?

It actually grew our family closer together.

I don't know if it was like a reflection that they watched and

my dad has become very,

just very

extra caring and like he'll check in on me and he like I don't know if it just like maybe he watched it on TV and it really stuck with him and was like whoa like maybe I should a reflection of like I he hasn't said it I can almost feel it like he's really been great and so loving and I think I will say maybe it touched him in a way of like I did not even realize

and same thing with my mom she's actually like They've just changed since and for the better.

And I don't know if it was like, I saw myself and I didn't know the extent or maybe I just wasn't listening to you and you wanted to be heard.

I don't know what it was, but things have really changed.

And we got, we've been so close ever since.

So.

So you didn't have a conversation, but after it aired, you can feel they shifted.

Oh, no, no, we had a con oh, I mean, we also, we, we all cried during it.

Like it was a very hard scene.

It's so real, so raw.

Like, and I think

there were so many heightened emotions.

Obviously, yes, you see a lot of our lives, but you don't see every piece of it.

So there was a lot going on right at the time.

And I'm postpartum.

It is very heightened, you know?

And so, I mean, that very night, my dad came up to me and like hugged me and said, I'm so sorry.

Like, I love you.

And obviously, that wasn't even,

we weren't on camera, you know?

So it's like things like that that people don't see.

But my family is so supportive.

Like, they are like my ride or die crew and they would do anything for me.

And I don't know if people realize that, but they would.

Are they harsh?

Yes.

Have we had family fights?

Yes.

That is normal.

Every family.

I don't know if that's normal, but for us, it's normal.

Yeah.

And we bicker and fight and we've had plenty.

And sometimes we're all yelling at each other, and we go home and we're mad, and the next day we love each other, it's family totally.

So, um, okay, if you're getting engaged, have you thought about what kind of ring you want?

No, I'm so simple, you can Amazon it for me.

Stop, Taylor.

I'm not even maybe okay.

I'm not gonna do that because it's such a good idea.

Don't put that into the world, though.

I just cut that.

Cut that, cut that, cut that.

I'm just so simple.

I'm so simple.

And so, I uh

like

I don't want anything crazy, extravagant.

Um, I'll probably lose it, to be honest.

So, like, maybe two

cheap ones that I could make sure you get insurance, whoever you are, insurance, and a backup fake one that she can wear out.

Yes, okay, that I just I, and when it comes to materialistic things like that, I am not big on, like, I'm not picky on.

I, it's not about even the ring, it's the symbol, it's the meaning.

That's what I'm saying.

So, you're down for whatever cut, whatever style.

Okay, love that for you.

Um, what are you most excited about heading into filming?

Excited.

I don't know.

It's so surreal.

I think

is my husband popping out of a limo here in a month, right?

Like, I have to think about that.

Is this like, am I going to be, am I getting engaged to one of these men?

Like,

um,

do I come home with a man?

Isn't that crazy?

It's about to go down.

Your life is about to change.

Change.

Forever.

Forever.

You also have season three of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives coming out this fall.

Yes.

I know we have to be tight-lipped because

we have to wait, but can you tell us anything about it?

It is a closure to a chapter of my life,

but like start, it's like almost like a cliffhanger of like what happens next because there is some like a chapter closing.

Okay, we're going to end with some Secret Lives Rapid Fire.

Oh gosh.

Who was the biggest biggest villain of season two?

Oh, I mean, Demi.

We all knew that.

Yeah.

And what is your current relationship with her?

We're fine.

We're good now.

Yeah, very, she got very humbled, which was, I said, sometimes that's great.

I've been there, Demi.

I've been there.

I've been very on the other side.

So I know what you're feeling.

I know what that's like.

I know what it's like also to see yourself and be like, whoa, take a step back.

What could I have done differently?

I still do that.

I do that to this very day all the time.

And she was very humbled.

You know, she apologized.

And so it's like, you can can only, when someone's trying to be better, okay.

Yeah.

That's all you can do.

Why do you think she actually didn't go to the reunion?

Probably because there was a lot of heat.

I mean, I mean, Disneyland's great, but like, there was probably a lot of heat and she wasn't ready for it.

Who in the cast are you currently the closest to?

Probably

Macy, Michaela, Jesse.

Like, we kind of do more things together.

Yeah.

Do you think you know the truth of what happened at Vanderpump Villa?

I don't think I know, and I don't think anyone, who's to say, will ever know.

Are Jesse and Jordan still together?

As far as I know.

Okay.

What are three words you would use to describe the current state of mom talk?

Um,

cordial.

Maybe a little confused

and

hyped.

There's a lot coming.

Has anyone left mom talk since the reunion?

No.

Okay, last question.

What do you want viewers to know about you tuning into this season of The Bachelorette?

There may be some people that are going to become new fans.

There may be some already existing fans that are going to see you in a different light.

What do you want them to take from all of this?

Um, well, more so if they're like, you know, it's an, I know they're,

they're, maybe, maybe, maybe a newer fan base.

So if you don't know me, maybe just like I, a fair shot at maybe what you've heard about me, you've seen.

Um,

maybe, yeah, just a fair shot as anyone else.

And I am learning as anyone else and I've more self-aware.

I've made a lot of mistakes.

I've learned.

Uh,

honestly, I'm so grateful for this opportunity.

I, as well, don't know how I am here, but I'm thankful.

And I can only just say thank you to everyone who's ever supported me and been here from the beginning, even through all the ugly and stuck by me and saw this through and not just judged me and was like, she sucks.

And maybe there are and that came back through of like learning lessons because all you can do when someone is messing up, learn from it and do better.

You don't have to stay in that hole of becoming worse and worse.

You can come out.

I am so fucking excited to watch the season of The Bachelorette.

I am so happy.

Sorry if anyone was looking forward to it.

I'm happy it's not a guy.

You are the best surprise.

I think people are going to actually shit themselves when you they see this announcement they're gonna be like there's no way there's no way taylor frankie paul is about to be the bachelorette can i also say though that with everything it just said

still probably mistakes coming i'm like obviously like we want the messy taylor i don't want you to go in there and be like i'm kind of i'm chaos too like obviously there's no we want that that and so like obviously like i'm trying to do better but i still to this day i'm like what the am i doing girl if there is not chaos chaos and messiness when you date 20 plus.

There's no such thing.

There's no such thing.

How does it

bring that same energy to the bachelorette and we're all going to love it.

Seriously.

I unfortunately naturally do it.

It's fine.

Perfect.

Thank you so much for coming on Caller Daddy.

I cannot, cannot wait to see if you have a ring on your finger in a couple months.

And good luck.

Thank you so much for having me.

It's been an honor to be here.

You're amazing.

And honestly, I look up to you because I feel like you came out of a taboo thing and you were just like, here it is.

You talked about topics that were, that's what got people's attention because you were saying things that no one talked about, yeah, or wanted to admit, you know, and you got them to say it, and here you are today.

So, congrats to you as well.

Thank you, thank you.

Yeah,

love you, good luck.

Thank you.

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