Madelaine Petsch: PSA: You Can’t Fix Him

Hi, daddy gang.

It is your father.

I am so excited that Caller Daddy has officially joined the SiriusXM family.

I cannot wait to talk to new guests and continue to share my crazy personal stories and experiences with you every single week.

If you want to hear new episodes ad-free, subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts Plus on Apple Podcasts or visit seriousxm.com/slash podcasts plus to start your free trial today.

today.

Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Sam Edelman.

Okay, when fall starts, I just get so excited.

You have new routines, there's new drama, there's new looks, there's all the things.

But the best thing to step into fall with is a pair of new boots.

Step into fall with Sam Edelman, where timeless American elegance meets modern trend-on design.

This season's collection highlights rich Merlot hues, deep neutrals, and Western-inspired prints that give fall dressing a confident twist.

Explore the full fall collection now at samedleman.com and get 15 off with code daddy15.

Call her daddy is brought to you by Tinder.

Meeting new people just got way more fun because now you don't have to do it alone.

With Tinder's new double date feature, you and your bestie can match together.

Tap the double date icon to see profiles built for two.

When two pairs match, the group chat kicks off.

Scope the profiles, send memes, keep the chat fun, hype each other up, flirt a little, maybe plan a hangout.

You guys, this is the new way to do it.

Try the new Tinder double date.

Explore all the possibilities.

Tinder, it starts with a swipe.

Download Tinder today.

What is up, Daddy Gang?

It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy, Daddy, Daddy, Daddy.

Madeline Petch, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

Hi.

You look so gorge.

Thank you.

So do you.

How did you pick this outfit today?

Well, I thought if I'm going to call her daddy, I want Alex to call me daddy.

So I'm going to have my titties out.

I don't know.

It's perfection.

I feel like you have had literally the craziest year.

You've been on an insane filming schedule.

Do you have any time off or are you getting back into something?

This is like the worst time to ask me this question.

I had one day off for the next two months and they just put something on it.

So I'm feeling a little overwhelmed currently.

I'm somebody who like, this is the thing about my job that i was not made for me is i don't do well with change in my schedule and it changes constantly

you literally being an actress and you're like i don't like change i'm like literally every five months you're like new project new project i'm fine with but i was just shooting a movie in tulsa which i adored and they kept changing and adding days and i was like my brain can't function like that

you need a full set schedule i read in an interview you did that you said you basically have like a very very hard time ever relaxing like you're not someone that can relax have you gotten better I have actually.

The pandemic honestly, like weirdly forced me to find stillness and be okay with it because I couldn't work.

I was stuck in my house.

And I was like, I have to find a way to manage this.

I did actually, by the way, get my brain scanned during the pandemic because I was so anxious all the time that I was like, there's something genuinely wrong with me.

That's how bad I am with stillness.

And then I was like, okay, no, this is actually, I'm actually just a crazy person because I'm fine.

Meanwhile, he's like, it looks gorgeous.

You're like, everything looks great.

I'm like, there's a gremlin living in my head.

You You don't see it.

Okay, but to be fair, I feel like so many of us during the pandemic were like that, where you were like, there is something wrong with me.

Yeah.

Okay.

October is coming up.

I feel like you, Cami, and Lily have been known in the past to do these really, really good Halloween costumes.

Are you going to do anything this year?

I don't think we are.

I'm so sorry.

I try every year.

I want to let you know I am the one who rallies everybody.

You are.

I am the one in the group chat who's like, okay, it's August.

What are we doing?

What's the plan?

And this year, I think we are all filming in different places.

And there's just no, I even said, what if we just do a photo shoot but we're all so busy like it's not even possible wait how do you feel though about so many celebrities doing that where half the time they don't even go to the party in the costume they just do the photo shoot and put it on instagram how do we feel i don't even care honestly because i don't even like the party i like the dressing up but i don't even want to go it's actually true like Being a girl is like loving the getting ready process.

And then you get to the party and you're literally like, can we go home and eat pizza and like hang out?

Press days.

I'm like, I'm so excited for press days.

And then after glam's over, I'm like, wait, I still have to go do stuff.

Right.

You just want to like look cute.

And then you're like, wait, I now actually just want to like sit here, take some selfies, and then wash it all off and get in bed and watch a movie.

Actually, fair.

Okay, so no Halloween this year, but will you do something for a costume?

I can't, I can't not do something for a Halloween.

But also, I am so excited, Alex.

Six Flags is doing a strangers maze and they have little me's running around in there.

And when I tell you, top 10 most important things to my entire life existence is having a haunted house with me running around in it that I can go and attend.

Life is made.

I can die happy.

Wait, wait, wait.

Little you's?

Little me's, like me's, people with little wigs on running around as if they're me, Maya, and the strangers.

A dream.

Are you going to go?

Absolutely.

I go on the 11th.

I am like such a scaredy cat.

So like I would probably be like, I want to go.

And then I'd be so fucking scared.

I feel like you're going to thrive.

You don't go to Universal Horror Nights or anything?

I just get really scared.

I'm such a bitch.

It's so fun.

Are you crazy?

I'm such a bitch.

I thrive.

September 1st, I'm like, I have my fireplace on.

No, Madeline, I'm sorry.

I was like 75 degrees in my house.

Okay, yes to that, but me, I literally was like, I was getting scared of Halloween town.

Like, I would get scared of like the guy.

What, Calabar?

You were scared of Calabar running around?

Actually, yes.

When he was like, yeah.

No, honestly, he was a little scary.

But that also came out when we were young.

Let's be honest.

We're going to play a little quick game.

Okay.

It's called Firsts and Worsts.

I'm going to give you a scenario and you're going to tell me the story behind it.

Sure.

Okay.

What was the worst fashion phase that you ever went through in your life?

Oh.

Oh my God.

I had like a full scene kid phase.

Okay, talk to me.

I actually have gauge holes in my ears that I have to like wear stickers in the back of my ears to wear earrings.

I had double zero gauges.

Wait, what are double zero gauges?

Like

I don't even know what the sizing is, but my brother was gauging his ears and he didn't want to go too big.

And so we did it on me first.

I'm the younger sister to see what the size would look like.

Now he has massive ear holes.

I love how he's like, hold on, come over here.

Boom.

He's like, it was like, you have to put Vaseline in and you have to like stretch it.

It's such a crazy process.

I did it when I was in like seventh grade.

That would be the worst, I think.

Yeah, I like thought I was like in my like scene email phase.

I never had gauges, but I did have the like the colored skinny jeans.

This is so horrid.

That was a rite of passage, though.

I honestly think.

I look back in pictures, though, and you're like, Thank God I deleted my MySpace, all of that stuff, like long before I became an adult.

Oh, no, you have to.

I don't even have those photos.

No, I want them to be dead forever.

It's blackmail of yourself that you put out there willingly.

And then you're like, why?

Why did I do this to myself?

The side bang.

No.

The way that I bought like thinning shears and thinned my own hair so I had like very thin hair.

I was like, why would you do that?

And now we all want thick hair.

Yeah, I know.

Horrible.

Okay.

What is the story of your first kiss?

My first kiss.

Oh, honestly, I have a really weirdly terrible memory when it comes to my personal life.

Maybe that's childhood trauma, but the one that I think of is my brother specifically said, like, there's this one guy who goes to this school that I hate more than anybody.

And you cannot talk to him at this game.

And I was like, you got it.

Love you so much.

And then I saw him and I was like, ah, he's kind of hot.

What do I do and then i'm pretty sure he became my boyfriend my first boyfriend for like six months and my mom would like drive us around in our minivan i think i kissed him in the back of the minivan when my mom was driving this is so telling of like who you are like i needed this information i'm like wait a second it was my brother's like villain just a child you know what we would have been best fucking friends hell yeah because i am a natural redhead What?

Yes.

Wait, you did.

Oh my God.

What?

Yes.

Why are you blonde?

How dare you?

I know.

It was like, oh, what?

I know.

I know.

I need pictures after this.

Okay, but you look way better.

There's no way.

Actually, I think you look so cute with red.

No, no, no.

Maybe now that I've like grown into my face, but not back then.

But I was always like wanting to hook up with my brother's friends.

And like, they didn't really want to hook up with me.

What about enemies?

Brother's enemies.

See, that's what I'm getting to.

I did hook up with one of his enemies.

I love that for you.

And he became my first boyfriend.

We were the same person.

Shout out.

You know who you are.

Like it was, and I loved it.

I remember where that guy is.

I know.

Well, I think I know where he is, but

that doesn't matter.

The problem was, though, that like my brother got so upset with me, but it only made me want to love this kid more.

My brother didn't get mad at all.

He's the best.

He was like, I mean, if you like him, like, all good.

Oh, my God.

Wait, you had such a better experience with your brother.

My brother came in and would like throw shit in my room and be like, you have to stop seeing him.

And I was like, honestly, the day that you get bored of me seeing him, I'll probably dump him.

But the fact that you're embraced,

honestly, it was a CW show.

Okay.

It was like one tree hill.

Okay, next.

What was the most random job that you worked before your big break as an actress?

I know you had a couple jobs.

I had a lot.

I was a window salesman.

Talk to me about that.

So I was on Craigslist and I was like, what's the highest paying job I can find?

And by the way, I was getting jobs on Craigslist.

I absolutely could have been murdered.

I was such an idiot when I moved.

And it was in Redondo Beach.

And they were like, you go door to door and you sell windows to people.

And I was like, bet.

So I went and it wasn't working.

And so I started waiting outside the houses till the wives would leave.

And then I'd go to the door and like make myself cry and get the husbands to buy windows and then they i had a really high return rate was the problem because they didn't actually want the windows they were trying to get the girl who's crying on the doorstep to leave

what a fascinating sales tactic it was interesting i don't think it was beneficial to selling windows picturing you coming up with like a reason these people need to buy fucking windows and crying okay but you were savvy i was doing my best you were what i had to you were doing your best yeah okay what was the your first like big big purchase once you got your paycheck from Riverdale?

You know, I actually, every season that we got picked up, I bought myself a new cartier ring, so I have like I have seven cartier rings for the seven seasons of the show that I literally never wear.

Yeah, I was like, I don't wear them, but I have them and I like looking at them.

They're somewhere, they're somewhere.

Wait, do you ever wear them?

Yeah, sometimes.

I actually think I may have lost one, which was a real, it was a real bummer in a move.

Okay, what was the worst Riverdale plot line you ever had to act out?

Where do I begin?

Okay, give me, give me a strong one.

Okay,

um,

Okay.

So

it's like, there's so many going through my head.

I can't decide.

I had to act with my brother's dead corpse in a wheelchair for an entire season.

Mind you, he died four years prior.

His corpse should have absolutely rotted, but I was like basically losing my mind and speaking to a corpse for an entire season.

I would wake up and be like, JJ, do you want your tea?

See, I like definitely like watched the first couple of seasons.

And then when it was getting really crazy, probably around that time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's probably actually, yeah, that's exactly.

Can I change my answer?

My actual answer is: this is my, this is my Roman Empire, okay?

When I became a witch on that show, Roberto, is this my camera?

Roberto, when I became a watch on that show, there was one thing I told you.

I said, I never want to see lasers coming out of my hands, okay?

What did he do in the season finale of season six?

I'm like, scarlet witching up in the air, singing and crying with lasers shooting out of my hands at a comet.

At a comet that ends up wiping out all of Riverdale, which is why we're in the 50s in season seven.

Hey, what?

That'll do it.

And because you had the visual of like, I really don't want this to be me.

No, and I actually think I might have given him the idea, is the problem.

I think I said, like, just please, no lasers.

Like, I'll do anything witchy.

It's fun, but no lasers.

And then he was like,

she said she wanted lasers out of her hands.

And you're like, God damn it.

He's going to literally follow me for the rest of my life.

Oh, my, I see it every day.

The meme of me, like, crying and screaming.

And like, I just, okay, but people loved it.

It's look, it was fun.

It was always

a good time for me on set.

Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Old Navy.

Okay.

Old Navy makes the closet refresh so easy, turning nothing to wear into a lineup that works for every vibe, from everyday staples to trend-driven fits.

Here's the thing, Daddy Gang.

You think of old Navy, you think of, yeah, I trust them.

They've been around for so long.

They have never failed me.

And Old Navy's denim lineup has a fit for every single mood.

They have extra high-rise straight for snatched waist confidence.

They have the slouchy wide for laid back cool girl and the vintage slim for that classic lived in style.

Building a full rotation is a no-brainer.

You can get multiple.

You're going to feel great.

Also, their active wear is just as strong.

They have bounce fleece fleece, wide legs, half zips, and skirts that look luxe, feel amazing, and keep their shape.

It's perfect for a coffee run, travel, errands, work from home days, all the things.

They've got the versatility that you need for your closet.

So, daddy gang, make sure that you get something from Old Navy because, to me, Old Navy has been in my life forever.

I love Old Navy, they have absolutely great quality.

So, what are you waiting for?

Shop in store or online at oldnavy.com.

Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Uber One for students.

Let me be so clear.

If I was back in college right now, this is all I would have wanted, okay?

Because I was constantly blowing money on late night food, okay?

Daddy gang, if you are someone in this position, listen to me.

An Uber One membership is about to be your budget's new bestie.

Here is the deal: with Uber One for students, you get zero-dollar delivery fees and up to 10% off Uber Eats orders.

Hello, savings on midnight study sacks.

And it's not just food.

You're You're scoring on rides too, like earning 6% Uber credit back on all your rides.

Plus, you'll get free items every day and even more discounts from your favorite brands.

The savings add up way faster than you might expect.

It's kind of a no-brainer if you're living that campus on the glow life.

Join now and get four whole weeks free.

Daddy gang, this is a college girl's dream.

This is my dream back in the day, okay?

So do it for me and help yourself out.

Uber won for students, save on Uber and Uber Eats, sign up on Uber or Uber Eats app.

Eligibility and member terms apply.

I know

today

you kind of want to talk about some things that you've never publicly spoken about.

Yeah.

Why do you think you are finally ready to open up about your childhood?

I think for a long time I struggled with the idea of, is it my story to share?

I mean, it involved a lot of other people, my whole family.

And I I think I got to a place through therapy and talking to my friends.

And also, just I think about when I was a kid, if there was somebody that I loved, just like one person saw this, if somebody, somebody that I loved was talking about what they went through and it was even remotely similar to what I was going through, it would encourage me to continue.

So I think it's just kind of an amalgamation of that.

And then finding the right platform and feeling comfortable with you to do that.

Okay, let's do it.

Okay.

Let's do it, girl.

Here we go.

Okay, let's go back.

Growing up, just like very beginning days, what was your family like?

Honestly, they're the strangest people on the planet, but I adore them.

My parents are South African, so they don't really, they're not, they don't understand American culture very well.

And they were raising two American children in a small town.

I have a wonderful older brother and a mom who is like, do you know people who are destined to be mothers?

Like, that's my mom's entire purpose on this planet.

And a dad who tried his very best.

And you know that he was trying his best, but as a kid, I didn't really understand like

the way he was behaving and treating me wasn't,

wasn't because of me, if that makes sense.

When you say that you guys were different because your parents were South African, where were you raised also?

Washington State.

Washington.

Okay.

Were you, were people outwardly like commenting on you guys?

Like, did you stick out like a sore thumb, or was it just like in your head you felt different?

I think also being a redhead and South African and being raised plant-based and without Christianity in my life, it felt like everything that were the core values of being a child, which is like looking normal, having a normalcy in religion and food eating, we didn't have.

And so it felt more like maybe it was all in my head, but I definitely felt like I didn't belong growing up.

So talk to me growing up about your relationship with your mom and your relationship with your dad and like your early memories of those relationships forming.

Yeah, my mom is like the protector.

My mom always was trying to keep the peace.

Her words were peace and tranquility.

And so

she did her absolute best to not let me see the trickling effects of my father's behavior.

My relationship with my father was really complicated because

he

has behavioral issues and he would have extreme highs and extreme lows.

And in the extreme highs, as a child, it's like you have the most fun dad in the world.

It's like you can't, you can't live and breathe without that person being around.

And then that person is ripped away from you and

being cold to you and not responding when you tell them that you love them and getting angry at you and lashing out for no reason.

And you think it's your fault as a child.

Do you remember

like an early core memory of like the first time you realized like maybe your dad was struggling with mental illness?

When I was eight, my brother and my mother went to South Africa and my dad and I had some sort of falling out over something.

I don't even know what it was.

And I told him I loved him.

I was like crying and telling him I loved him.

I wanted him to tell me he loved me back and he told me he didn't love me and he left.

And so you were alone in the house?

For a couple hours, not for very long.

And I was just crying in bed the whole time.

But I remember sitting there and being like, my father doesn't love me.

Like I did something very wrong.

And I was calling my mom and they're on a a different time zone.

And that was the first time she was like, this has nothing to do with you.

This is fully your dad.

And that's when I really first understood that.

I think it took a long time and a lot of therapy because we don't use

diagnoses in the household either.

So it took a lot of therapy for me to figure out what was actually going on.

How was that explained to you?

That like we don't use

it, wasn't.

In fact, most of the time it was like, it's ptsd because my dad was in the apartheid war or it's um it's trauma or it's just he's having a bad mood and it's like that's actually not what's happening he has a chemical imbalance in his brain that makes him incredibly high and incredibly low um and it took a lot of therapy for me to feel the validation of a diagnosis even if he has now gotten one, but even if he never got one to understand what was actually going on.

And it was frustrating because you're like, why do you not want to know?

It will help understand and educate us on what's happening.

So it's not his fault either.

Do you know what I mean?

He's not trying to be like that.

I also think like our parents' generation just doesn't really understand mental health.

And I think it wasn't a priority.

Whereas now, as we become parents, like, of course, it's a priority.

But back then, it really just felt like that wasn't even an option.

So when you were dealing with difficult moments with your father, like, how would your family talk about it?

There's a lot of triangulation, which is something I learned in therapy

with my mom and my brother and I kind of having little key keys in my brother's room while one of us is crying because he's done something to them.

Always verbal, never anything physical, thankfully.

And

usually the issue was I became this like key to unlocking his good mood.

So when there was bad things going on in the house, I would be called to come and fix the problem.

So no matter what the issue was, if he was upset with my mother or my brother, I would be sent in to essentially disarm him emotionally.

Why do you think that was?

He kind of has all, he just has this, like, I think a lot of men, like their little girl is the apple of their eye.

And I think, um, I think I was the apple of his eye.

So, I think it allowed him to, like, I'd walk in and most of the time it would work.

And I'd be like, Daddy, can we, can we just have a nice night?

Can we just figure it out?

And it would take him a couple of hours, but sometimes it would work.

So, I think they kept doing that.

Which is

at first, I'm sure before you were like able to process what was happening, everyone's like anything to get him to like come down and be in a better mood.

But then, as you started to get a little bit older into like high school, were you, how much was that affecting you kind of being the person that had to be almost like the parental figure in your household?

Yeah, I remember one night I was out, and I won't detail what was happening at my house because it's incredibly personal, but I was out at a ballet and I got a call saying you have to come home immediately.

I had like 16 missed calls, and I had to come home and deal with a situation that was so incredibly unsafe and so disrespectful as a child to put me in

that I have a lot of, I had a lot of resentment towards everyone in my family for putting me in that position when they could have just gone to professionals and dealt with it properly.

How did you process any of this?

I didn't.

In fact, it became almost like this compartmentalization where A lot of the time now we'll talk about things that happened, the three of us, my brother and my mom and I, and we'll be like, wait, that's not what happened or that didn't happen because it was just push it out of your head.

Don't think about it.

This is just the reality.

You don't know anything different.

So when you look back on that time of your life, do you now have emotions that come up?

Or is it still kind of like it's more survival mode?

I've worked through it so much in therapy.

Like my first six years of therapy were all about my relationship with my father and my parents and my childhood to the point where now, like, I don't necessarily feel emotional about it.

I've worked through all of that, but there are still moments where I have to put that hat on and show up in that way.

Being in a situation as a child where you feel like you have to become the parent has so many repercussions, obviously, when you get older, but

what was going on when you were kind of handling things with your father?

Like,

what was going on with your mother in those moments?

God, Alex, I don't even remember.

I really don't remember.

I think, like,

Honestly, I don't think she ever asked me to do that.

I think I immediately saw a place that I could try to help and I just tried to help every time I could.

In like high school or anything, did you ever confront your parents?

I didn't confront my parents until I moved out, but I moved out the day I could when I was 18.

And I also like immersed myself in after school activities.

Like I was, that's probably why I am successful, honestly, is because I did not want to be at home.

So I did dance from, I went to an arts high school that was 45 minutes away.

I did dance from three to nine every single night.

Afterwards, went home, did homework, went to bed.

And then on weekends, I did plays in my local theater.

Like I just, I never wanted to be home.

So I immersed myself in the arts and escapism.

And now I'm here.

So it's like, would I still be in this position if I didn't have that?

I don't know.

That's what I was wondering.

So I'm like, all these inconsistencies at home, like, how did it affect your life socially?

Like, did your friends know what was going on?

Yeah, for sure.

Did you have any issues growing up with like, could you have friends over your house?

My mom was so, such a little soldier, honestly, because she

always fought for me to have the most normal childhood she possibly could give me.

So I, I, I had friends over often, but the friends I was comfortable having over were friends that already knew what was going on.

But it also affected their childhood.

Like I have, my childhood best friend is still one of my closest friends now, and she has horror stories about being at my parents' house.

Would you and your brother lean on each other a lot, or was it tough to kind of well, it became really awkward because it's like, I'm the one that's going in to fix a situation.

What is, I can't even imagine, we've never spoken about this, but I can't even imagine what it must have made him feel like to know that I could go in and make my dad feel better.

That created a really weird, unhealthy dynamic between him and I, where when I moved out, like we weren't super close.

We've become close in our adult years now and we've worked really hard to get there.

But it didn't, we didn't have each other to lean on, really.

Talk to me a little bit more about the resentment aspect, because you go through this in your childhood, your home is going through these like instability moments, you are parentified at a young age, you're throwing yourself into the arts, trying to get away.

In the moment, were you resentful or did it take you leaving to become resentful?

Honestly, the only resent that I feel is seeing now how it seemingly seems so easy for him to be normal.

That's the hardest part because now he's actually a pretty wonderful dad.

Do you think there is a chance that's because you now can have distance and like leave and remove yourself from it?

Absolutely.

Like if you were living in a house with him, maybe.

Potentially.

I mean, my mom still lives with him.

They're still together.

And so it does seem like he's found things that work for him in that regard.

But to see how easy it was for him to do that was pretty, it was a tough pill for me to swallow, but I'm incredibly honest with him now.

I've not told him I'm going on this and I'm very curious to see how that goes, but I'm very honest with him about his behavior now and about how it affected me as a child.

And he takes it on the chin very well.

Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Simply Safe.

Here's the thing, Daddy Gang.

I feel like most people think home security is just an alarm that goes off after a break-in.

You know, maybe it will hopefully scare the intruder off and get, you know, the neighbor's attention if you're lucky, but that is a reactive approach, my friends.

And we don't react, daddy gang.

We plan.

By the time an intruder is in your home, it is too late.

Your feeling of safety is shattered.

That is not what I want for all of you, okay?

And that is why real security should stop a crime before it even starts.

Yeah, how are we going to do that?

That is why you need to trust Simply Safe.

The system is designed to be proactive, not reactive.

All of my girls out there, I empathize with you.

I know how scary things can be.

Just turn to Simply Safe and you will feel much better.

They use smart AI powered cameras to identify threats lurking outside of your home and immediately alert Simply Safe's professional monitoring agents.

These agents intervene in real time before the break-in even begins.

They access two-way audio to confront the person, trigger sirens, and spotlights to scare them off by.

So, Daddy Gang, if you need a new security system, visit simplysafe.com/slash daddy to claim 50% off a new system.

That's simply safe.com/slash daddy.

There's no safe like SimplySafe.

Call her daddy is brought to you by T-Mobile.

Here's the thing, Daddy Gang.

You know, I love the outdoors.

I love it.

I love it.

And I love it until I don't have service.

Okay.

I'm like, ooh, this hike is so gorgeous, Matt.

My dogs are so hot.

Wait a second.

Daddy Gang, I'm here to tell you, we are going to be fine.

Now, even if you wander into the middle of nowhere, T-Mobile has us connected because they have T-Satellite.

Yes, you heard that right.

Like picture a random trail, zero bars, but still texting the group chat like, yeah, I survive.

Send wine.

Like everything's good.

Woo.

Yeah, the new Google Pixel 10 automatically connects to T satellite when you're off the grid and has early access to T satellite ready apps like Google Maps, Google Messages, and even Find Hub so you can stay connected in places you didn't think possible.

Be the girl in your friend group that actually has the service, okay?

That is why I love T-Mobile and that is why I am T-Mobile till the end.

I got Matt and I on that plan and boom, we're thriving.

You've heard before that you won't believe what you get with magenta status, but now you won't believe where you are with it either.

Check it out at t-mobile.com slash magenta status.

Okay, let's talk about therapy.

You get into therapy.

You've been in therapy for a couple of years now.

I've been with the same therapist for nine years.

I'm obsessed with her.

Wait, nine years?

Nine years?

My longest relationship.

Oh my God.

Wait, and you are like stronger than ever.

Cause I can't figure out if like you need to switch therapists at a certain point after like how many years, but you're, you're, you feel good.

I'm locked in.

It's for life.

Oh, I love that for you so much.

I'm a lifer.

What was it that made you want to initially get into therapy nine years ago?

My relationship that I was in, my romantic relationship was echoing very similar things that was happening with my father.

It's so interesting because so many of my friends and I always talk about this.

Like when you become an adult, you're like, oh my God, God, I have to get in because of this guy that I'm seeing.

And little do we know.

And meanwhile, it has nothing to do with fucking Brad or Ben or whoever the fuck we're talking about.

It's fully childhood shit, but it ignites something in you and it brings up so much past trauma that you're like, wait, what is this?

Why am I acting this way?

And then you sit down in a therapist room and they're like, sweetie, I'm going to hold your hand when I say this.

Let's put him over here.

This has nothing to do with him.

This is all you.

And you're like,

so you get into therapy.

Yeah.

How did you start to initially feel when you started to work through

i remember the i had a 15 minute uh i was on i was on set for riverdale in my trailer season one and i had a 15 or season two and i had a 15 minute call with her and i was sobbing in 15 minutes i was like broken down all my makeup was off and i i was like this is obviously what i need to be doing and so riverdale was so wonderful they would like help me find time in my schedule to do therapy and they were really supportive um but it was just through talking about it i mean mean, my relationship was obviously not great if it was echoing that.

So, the kind of impetus was dealing with that at first for a long time.

Yes, um, breaking yourself out of that, and then getting into the weeds with your childhood stuff.

When you went back to the childhood stuff, like, what did you find was the hardest stuff to start to unpack with a therapist?

Because therapists ask pretty like pointed questions, or they like ask you to go places that you sometimes don't want, not you don't want to go, but you're like, oh God, this memory just came up.

Like, I can't believe this.

I think I was struggling with

understanding that he didn't not love me.

I think there was still this like idea in your head when you're a kid that it's like so deeply ingrained with you that this person can't possibly care about me and love me if they're treating me this way.

And I thought I'd worked through that.

I thought as an adult, I understood that, but there was still that like little Madeline inside that was like, my daddy doesn't love me.

You know, and so like working through that, it still comes up occasionally at 31, nine years later.

But I think that was the hardest the hardest thing was to really truly at a cellular level believe and understand that this has nothing to do with love or how much he cares about me it has to do with fully him and a chemical imbalance what was it like when you started to have such success like what were your parents it was honestly kind of annoying yeah because it's like with with my dad because he was so proud of me And I'm like, ah, like, I just want to choke you.

What's wrong with you?

No, and he's so proud of me.

And he's so excited.

and so then it was complicated because i'm also like i financially support a lot of my family as well um

so it became it became like no one asked me to i wanted to help um but it started feeling weird you know like it's it's weird to have a childhood dynamic like that and then to be successful like this and then have able the ability to monetarily help and it just becomes really messy in my head and so i had to like again compartmentalize and just figure it out well and because madelaine it's like you used to be this parental figure in your house That's it.

You ran away because you didn't want to do it anymore.

That's it.

Then you get success and you go back to that role.

And even though they didn't ask you,

you know.

It's just natural to me.

Right.

It's just natural to me.

I just stepped back into it.

I bought a house in Washington that I moved my brother into so he could get out of the house.

He's still there.

He loves it.

And he's so happy in it.

And it makes me so happy.

But that's the kind of stuff I was doing when I got to, I bought that before I bought my own house.

So there's like this caretaker role that you're constantly in.

Yeah.

But then eventually as in therapy, you're like, wait, I also have to take care of myself,

not everyone around me.

Can you talk to me about like one of the biggest breakthroughs that you ever had in therapy, if any?

Yeah.

Not dating carbon copies of my father over and over and over again.

And even if I tell, I'm like, this is not that.

This is not that.

This is so not that.

This is why.

It always was that.

it was always that so um i have to say i i feel at the place of my life now like i am i could not be further from that which is like the biggest the biggest success of my life honestly that's so fucking real where you're like convincing everyone you're like no no no guys this is so different i promise you it's different and also here's why and i know i told you last week he did this thing that's exactly like the other thing i told you about but it's not that it's not that you're not seeing it you just don't stop clocking to you that i'm standing on business okay and your friends are literally like okay call us tomorrow and then literally you're crying i'm crying again again.

I'm like, you damn it.

Motherfucking shit.

Yeah.

I feel like a lot of

what

you're talking about is like the steps that it took to get to this place, but like getting under it a little bit more emotionally.

Jump in.

When you look

back,

how did

the

responsibility of managing your dad's emotions your entire life ultimately impact you and your fundamental core and who you became as a human being.

I remember in therapy once I said, I'm happiest when I'm somebody else.

I'm an actor.

And I think that's how.

I think like I had to really, I spent a lot of my life not loving myself because I was like, if the person who made me doesn't love me, how the fuck am I supposed to love myself?

And there are still moments where that, it's not even like a, a conscious thought, but it's this almost like deep-rooted

layered, sewn into the fabric of who I am,

like insecurity of like, so it really is like to your point of what we were talking about earlier, taking a break and finding stillness is so important to me because it's moments where I can be like, I love myself and I love who I am.

Even though right now I'm telling you, I'm a fucking badass.

I love myself more than anyone could possibly love me in the planet.

I still have moments where I'm that little Madeline who's like sitting in her bed crying because she thinks her dad doesn't love her.

I think for so many people that experienced extreme dysfunction in in their childhood, there is this like

want to just keep going and like keep, whether it's succeeding or whatever it be, like keep moving.

So you don't have to really be still and be like,

hey, so like, how are we feeling about the past like 20 something years of our life?

What do we feel about that?

And when you do, sometimes it's really fucking difficult to get into therapy because I've had friends where they were like, I have to put a pause.

Like this is literally like, I can't go to work.

Like I am like a mess right now because I'm remembering things.

Like I have some friends that forgot about certain memories and like it is a journey, but once you get over that hump, it really does bring you to a better place.

But it's not fucking easy.

No.

You talking about the men in your life.

Talk to me about how

your relationship with your father, like actually give me some examples of how it affected the type of men that you were.

Oh, well, here's one.

After me and my, one of my exes broke up, he came out with the same diagnosis as my father.

Okay.

Right.

So let's all take a break for a second on that one.

Okay.

And you in the moment

didn't feel like

did I feel like that?

Um

I was, it was my first love and it was so like

all-encompassing.

And I was like, this is my person.

And you just, I just, and that's the thing is, I think watching my mom be with my dad and just decide to be with him forever made me believe that love is actually just staying no matter what.

Okay, let's pause and talk about that.

Yeah.

How many times have you, and give me like some like things that have happened where you're like, I know I should leave, but I'm in love.

There was a moment in a relationship where I knew in my heart it was over.

I stayed for a year and a half longer.

I called all my friends.

I was like, I know this is it.

I know it's over.

I called them.

I told them what happened.

They were like, yeah, obviously it's over.

I stayed for another year and a half.

Because I watched my mom stay forever.

And it's funny because I have friends now who are like in relationships with their, they're, uh, they're parenting a child together and they're not happy.

And I'm like, trust me, take it from somebody who grew up in a household where the parents were dysfunctional.

It's actually better for your child to see real love.

Go out and find your real love.

Give them an example of what a proper relationship is meant to look like so that they don't seek that out.

when they're adults.

It's a good point.

It's almost like sometimes people understandably think like keeping the family together is really going to be better for everyone in the long run.

And then you see people be like, please get a fucking divorce.

Like, it actually will be better for all of us.

And the parents are like, what?

Wait.

At the same time, though, I don't know if that would have been better.

My parents also own a business together.

So, like, I don't think it would have been the right thing.

I think they did the right thing, but it did create a really unhealthy idea of what love was.

For sure.

I thought love was staying.

How did you find yourself showing up in these dynamics?

Like, I know these men were acting a specific way,

but what were you like in your relationships in the past?

Same shit I did with my dad.

There was conflict.

I was immediately fixing it.

To my detriment,

I didn't really allow, like, I still have a hard time allowing conflict to stew.

I think when there's unease or conflict, I get really uncomfortable for obvious reasons.

And what do you do in those moments?

Now?

In the past.

In the past, I would just scramble to fix it.

Even if like they were the ones that fucked up, you would.

You know, I'm really lucky.

I haven't had many situations where someone's like actually fucked up in a relationship.

It's usually just like an argument or a disagreement that's gone south.

But

yeah, I would always scramble to fix it.

Now

I stand on business.

Now she's quiet.

Now she just sits.

And everything in you is like, I'm rageful inside because I'm like, I have to fix it.

I have to fix it.

I have to fix it.

I'm like, it's okay.

I'm just going to move my ankle and sit here and listen to you talk.

And then I'm going to walk away, even though I don't want to walk away.

I want to stay and fix it.

And we'll talk about it tomorrow.

That's okay.

But when you get in that cycle, it's harder to break than to just keep doing it.

Yeah.

Okay.

So now talk to me about where you're at now through therapy of in the past, you are going through these moments where you're like, I'm becoming this fixer.

I'm doing the same thing that I did with my dad.

What are you like now?

You know,

I think I still have a bit of that in me, but I also think that's just part of my personality.

So I'm trying to find the like navigate the what is me and what is like learned behavior.

And that's helpful through therapy.

I think

choosing partners was always tough for me.

And I think now I'm really like, I'm really locked into what I want and

who I am and what I deserve.

In the past, what was something that would have attracted you to someone that now you would like?

Loving me.

Hey, you love me?

Oh my God, so cool.

I love me too.

Let's do this.

Like, could be that simple sometimes.

Hey, are you hot and you love me?

Like, let's go.

And you're kind of funny.

I'm in.

You know what I mean?

Like, there were the, it was like, I just didn't know what to look for because I didn't have something to look at.

But I think like, again, because there's so many women that listen to this, like that is so unfortunately normal of like so many young women have this feeling of they're not loved in their childhood.

And then they have this feeling of like taking anything that feels like genuine love, but not.

Security.

If it feels like security,

consistency, stability, even though none of those things were usually true in the relationships, if it felt like security, I was in.

Because if he's saying he loves you so much, but he also is like doing these things that are inconsistent.

But he's saying he loves me.

So you're going to hold on to that.

Sometimes.

I used to.

Yeah.

What is your relationship like now with your father?

It's complicated.

I love that man with every fiber of my being.

He is one of the smartest people on the planet.

He's also like, he loves gardening and he's like, he makes little salads from his garden.

And he loves his little greenhouse.

And he's, I mean, he's just like this sweet, sweet man.

And when I'm able to step away from what happened and just look at the person in front of me, I'm like, you're an egg.

You're just this wonderful little creature.

But it's still complicated because I still hear what's happening at home and there are occasional issues.

And so I draw really firm boundaries.

There are times where I don't talk to him for six months or so.

And I'm very comfortable with that.

He wishes we spoke more.

I'm doing what I can.

But I love him a lot and I'm very thankful for him doing the work.

What is your relationship like with your mom?

Best friend.

Best friend in the whole world.

I, when I say like woman who was meant to be a mom, I mean woman who was meant to be a mom.

I think if anything, I feel sadness for her sometimes because I,

she's so magnificent and so wonderful and so lovable.

And I would just give anything.

I would give my whole right foot for my mom to feel as loved as she deserves to feel.

That would be my dream.

I think like,

it obviously can be so difficult when you become an adult to kind of replay what happened in your childhood and look at your parents and realize they're not perfect.

They hurt me.

I, you know, I didn't have the best situation in moments.

Can you talk to me about the types of conversations that you've had to have with your parents in order to move forward to where you're at now?

Yeah.

I had a lot, it was a lot of needing validation.

It was a lot of needing like, this actually happened, right?

And this is how it went down.

And I did this and you said this or what happened?

Cause my brother said, this is what happened.

So which one actually happened?

And it was a lot of like actually trying to piece together my childhood and also saying these things to my father and having him acknowledge that's exactly what happened.

That was the most important piece to me to have a relationship now.

What boundaries have you had to set in order to kind of have a healthier relationship with your father?

You know, with actually both of my parents, they don't call me.

I call them.

That was really important to me.

I was like, I'm tired of being the one who gets the phone calls.

I will call you when I have time to talk.

Oh, that's a good boundary.

And I ended up, I call my mom almost every day.

And my dad, I call, I think we spoke on the phone like a week ago.

I face on him like a week ago to say hi.

Do you have any advice for people?

Cause I can imagine there's a lot of people watching being like, okay, wait, like this is so similar to things that I've gone through.

Do you have any advice for people of how to approach difficult conversations with a parent?

I don't know if I'm qualified to give advice, but I will say

depending on if you're still at home, if you're still at home, I think that you should probably manage those conversations very carefully to manage your environment so you're not continuously walking on eggshells.

But as an adult, honesty and saying your truth.

And if you need validation, go seek it out.

And if they don't give it to you, cut them off.

That's how I feel.

If my dad wouldn't have given me validation of those moments, he wouldn't be in my life anymore.

Overall, in your situation, when you look back on your childhood, like, is there anything you wished your family could have really done differently?

I wish I would have felt like a kid.

Yeah.

I don't, I think like now,

like I do so much spiritual work.

I'm incredibly spiritual.

And when I, when I do healing sessions with my healer, I go to Denver for like three days and we get really in the weeds.

Every time what comes up is like, you just need to go play, go be a kid.

And the coolest thing, Alex, is that my job is playing all day long.

Like, what a cool thing.

I'm literally a big kid all day.

Like, I'm sitting here on a couch with jelly beans, like talking about my life, like doing whatever I want.

I'm just like a little sim now.

So I am, like, I think I am finding a way to heal that like inner Madeline

through my work, which is the most beautiful thing I could do.

Before we started recording, you had said that

you had mentioned there was a time in your life where you didn't think you wanted to have kids.

Yeah.

And now you think think you do.

And no, I do.

Talk to me about that shift.

All my exes are going to, if they hear this, they're going to be so fucking pissed off.

Because every, every man I've ever dated is like, are we going to have kids or what?

And I'm like, no, I don't want children.

A lot of it was, there's like two sides to it.

One was the societal pressure of being a woman of like, you are here to bear children.

And I'm like, go fuck yourself.

No, I'm not.

And also being a woman in Hollywood and it's like, you only have so many years before your prime is over.

And if you use them on, it's like, it's so much pressure that I was like, I'm just taking this off of the table for now.

That was one side.

The other side was much more deep rooted in, I refuse to raise a child in a dysfunctional home.

I refuse to raise a child where they believe that they are not loved.

I

never felt like that was possible because of what I saw as a child.

And then as an adult, something clicked, I want to say eight months ago.

This is like really recent.

I was talking to my therapist and I was like, I mean, if I could just have consistency, like if I could have a kid with my best friend, I would love that.

And she goes, Hey, you can.

That's literally, you can pick your partner.

You can have a kid with your best friend.

And I, it like mic dropped.

You're like, I was like, wait, what?

I can.

She goes, yeah, you can.

And then it's like, I just started thinking about it.

I was like, how fun would it be to be able to like, I saw this TikTok that made me almost just lose my mind.

I wish I could show it to you of this adult mom showing a video of her daughter saying, it's crazy to see how easily I could have been loved, how easy it was to love a little me.

And it's like, oh, knife to the heart.

But also, how cool would it be to like be able to give all the love I didn't, I didn't feel and get to something little and to like all the things that I feel.

all the other youth that I feel now, like to see that through a child's eyes, like it just feels so beautiful.

And so it's, it was at one point the thing I wanted the least i was like i i don't want to carry on this bloodline let it end here and now i'm like no i can i can change my narrative i can rewrite history and i can decide what this looks like and i have the power to do that i think that's so beautiful and i also think it should be more normalized to go through

that thought process of like it's okay that you changed your mind.

Oh my God, now it's so annoying.

Everyone's like, are you sure you want them?

You've been saying for years, you don't.

And it's like, hey, what if, what if you were in my situation?

Would you want them?

Also, guess what?

My ovaries i can do whatever the fuck i want right i want them now so shut the shut the up like literally

crazy why is it that i

i don't get why people feel so much autonomy over women's bodies don't even give me a shot about politics i'm not gonna go there no no no no but in general it's why is it your right to tell me that i'm i'm my time is running out or even just to judge you of like i think it's so important to acknowledge that women can change their mind and it is okay and it is none of our business do you have any advice for women who have felt a little bit of just like shame that they have gone back and forth of if they've wanted kids?

Cause I think people want you to feel shame.

If you haven't known your whole life, then you're not meant to be a mom.

Right.

And it's like, actually, I have, I have so much maternal instinct.

It's absolutely insane.

And I can't wait to put it on something and like just love something so much.

No, I don't have any advice because I just, I just experienced that.

I don't know.

Just love your truth and who gives a fuck what anybody says to you.

And it's okay if you change your mind.

You don't have to explain yourself to anyone.

I don't know why women are so, we have to explain ourselves so much.

Like, stop explaining yourself is actually my advice.

You don't have to.

You want them?

Say it.

You don't want them?

That's cool too.

You had said all of your ex-boyfriends are going to be like, what the fuck?

Talk to me about how at the time not wanting kids and being vocal about that did, if anything, impact your relationships.

I think it's so much easier for men to say they want kids.

Yeah.

Like, sure you do.

Come inside of a woman, get them pregnant.

You can leave if you want.

Like, it doesn't, of course you want a kid.

Right.

It's like three, nine months.

Literally.

Let me know.

I've got to grow that thing.

I'm going to brew it in here.

So every guy I've dated has been like, yeah, I want kids one day.

And I had such a harsh policy of like, I will not be the mother to your children.

I was that crazy about it.

I think also because I was like, you don't tell me what I do with my body back then.

And now I've like, I think I spent so much of my time as a child in like.

living really heavily in my masculine energy to like kind of father myself that now I feel comfortable sitting more in my feminine and like really sitting and being like, no, I want to be a mom and I want to be soft and I don't, I want to not have to protect myself and like have and have that support and like feel beautiful in motherhood.

And so that was the juxtaposition for me.

They're going to be pissed, but like, there's that's not the reason we broke up for literally any of them.

Okay, you said all of your ex-boyfriends.

Um,

what's up?

Are you single?

You know,

I'm

31.

And I

had a sound bite for you on this.

Um, And I

am in a place in my life where I've been in a, I've been a public figure for 10 years.

And I've tried to navigate my private and my public lives for a very long time, not very well.

And the reality is, I know I'm on a show where I should be talking about my relationships, but like, I'm not going to.

I'm not going to.

You know what?

I respect you for that.

You're like, I finally figured out.

I need to take it behind closed doors and figure out if we're actually, if we're actually good together.

And then maybe one day you're all figure out, okay, so we don't know if you're in a relationship, I do, but you don't.

Okay, oh, thanks.

Okay, in this phase of life, what do you want out of a relationship?

Okay, that's a great question.

That's fair.

Um, consistency.

I think that's one thing that I learned is really important: consistency in a partner, uh,

kindness,

love.

It's like honestly, not that hard, I think, to be in a good relationship.

And I'm, you know, it's communication, uh, support from a career.

I, I, I think the hardest part is that I'm an actor and I naturally will have to go have sex scenes and do things like that.

And so trust is really important.

I'm a very trustworthy person, but it's hard to trust an actor.

And I understand that.

Just understanding, communication.

What would you say is your best quality in a relationship?

How much time do you have?

Go.

I'm a fucking amazing girlfriend.

Now I am like the shit that I've done to get here.

Like I'm brilliant.

You're like, put me in.

You want me.

You want me.

I listen and I care and I'm understanding.

And

I'm an incredibly good emotional communicator because of nine years of weekly or two times a week therapy.

That'll do it.

I have a good group of friends.

I have a good job.

Like, I think there's, I think that, like, I'm kind of the whole package.

Call Her Daddy is brought to you by T-Mobile.

Here's the thing, Daddy Gang.

You know, I love the outdoors.

I love it.

I love it.

And I love it until I don't have service.

Okay.

I'm like, ooh, this hike is so gorgeous, Matt.

My dogs are so hot.

Wait a second.

Daddy Gang, I'm here to tell you, we are going to be fine.

Now, even if you wander into the middle of nowhere, T-Mobile has us connected because they have T-Satellite.

Yes, you heard that right.

Like, picture a random trail, zero bars, but still texting the group chat.

Like, yeah, I survive.

Send wine.

Like, everything's good.

Woo.

Yeah, the new Google Pixel 10 automatically connects to T satellite when you're off the grid and has early access to T satellite ready apps like Google Maps, Google Messages, and even Find Hub so you can stay connected in places you didn't think possible.

Be the girl in your friend group that actually has the service, okay?

That is why I love T-Mobile, and that is why I am T-Mobile till the end.

I got Matt and I on that plan and boom, we're thriving.

You've heard before that you won't believe what you get with Magenta status, but now you won't believe where you are.

are with it either.

Check it out at t-mobile.com slash magenta status.

Bet MGM has exciting ways for you to bet on pro football, and new customers can sign up for Bet MGM using bonus code CHD to unlock their welcome offer and score up to $1,500 back in bonus bets if they don't win their first bet.

Daddy Gang, get involved this football season.

Bet MGM and GameSense remind you to play responsibly.

See BetMGM.com for terms 21 plus only.

This promotional offer is not available in Michigan, Mississippi, New York, New Jersey, Nevada, Ontario, Pennsylvania, Puerto Rico, or West Virginia.

Gambling problem: call 1-800-GAMBLBLER.

Available in the U.S.

For New York, 877-8-HOPENY or text Hope NY-467-369.

For Arizona, 1-800 next step.

For Massachusetts, 1-800-327-5050.

For Iowa, 1-800-bets off.

For Puerto Rico, 1-800-981-0023.

Subject to eligibility requirements, rewards, or non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire in seven days.

In partnership with Kansas Crossing Casino and Hotel.

Okay, we're going to play a game.

I'm going to describe a guy, and you're going to say if you're in or out.

Okay.

He took you on the best first date of your life, but he's fresh out of a messy breakup.

Out.

Yeah.

I don't care.

I don't care.

I don't, it's a great date.

I don't care.

Right.

You're like, call me in six months.

Also, but like, no, don't, please.

No.

I'm 31.

Okay.

How soon is too soon for someone after a breakup to be approaching you and like really pursuing you?

It just depends on, it could be the next day if it doesn't feel messy.

Yes.

Okay.

He's super fun and social with his friends, but he's shy and reserved around yours.

It's fine.

I mean, I think it's kind of charming.

Okay.

How important is it for you to

have your friends be friends with the person that you're dating?

I think it's important that they get along and that, like, my, my, there's a couple people in my life that are my North stars.

Yeah.

If they love my partner, I'm in.

If they hate them, I'm literally out.

Like, actually out.

Have been there.

I have been out.

Love.

Oh, that's the job.

He's in the other room, one of them.

Perfect.

Yeah.

Okay.

He's super communicative, but won't share his location with you.

Oh, that's fine.

Would you ever share a location with a partner?

I have if they ask.

Okay.

That's like whatever.

Okay.

What is the biggest lie that you've ever caught a man in?

I was dating this guy.

I was at work on location and he called me.

He's like, I just got home.

I'm going to bed.

I love you.

Good night.

It's great.

I love you goodnight.

Got a call from the guy I was dating before him.

Hey, I met your boyfriend last night at like 4 a.m.

I'm like, hey, no, he was in bed.

Were you in bed with him?

And I really trusted this guy.

I was like, when I'm telling you, like blind trust on only this partner, because he was just such, like, he was that guy.

And I was like, you're lying.

You're being crazy.

No.

I call him the next morning and I'm like, Hey, it's so weird.

But he said that he saw you.

He goes, No, no, I was at home.

Okay.

Call him back.

I go, You're a fucking liar.

He didn't see you.

He goes, No.

And he starts describing this specific present that I gotta him that he was wearing.

That like I had, no one had posted.

It was like there was no.

And I was like, wait a second, hold on.

Where were you?

And he goes, Oh, he was with this very famous 80s pop star and they were like all over each other at this bar.

And then I call my boyfriend and he goes, Oh, um, yeah, maybe I was there for like a second.

I don't really remember.

And then photos came out of them.

And I was like, Hey, what?

Like, hello?

Hello?

Do you think I'm stupid?

No.

Do you think I'm doze?

Do you think I'm dumb?

No, not the photos.

I don't even know if he did anything.

I'm sure he didn't cheat on me, but the lie was enough for me to be like, I'm done.

Well, no, no, no.

The lie is like, crazy.

Who cares if you go to an event?

Just let me know.

Like,

don't say you're going to bed.

Hey, but like, why is she all over you?

And why are her arms all over you?

Like, are you okay?

And how are you saying you forgot?

You forgot?

And you also met my ex.

You think he's not going to call me and tell me that you were with some other woman?

And you also took multiple pictures that night.

What?

Like, what?

Yeah, that was crazy.

It's actually the only time I've ever caught anybody in a lie.

No, the worst is when photo evidence and he's like, he's gaslighting you.

And then you literally are like, so what's this?

And he's like, I didn't have to get there.

It was basically like the next, like, probably, I want to say like 4 p.m.

the next day.

He was like, okay, yeah,

for a second.

I'm like, for a second, for a second.

For a second, my ass.

Wait, so did you stay with him?

No.

Fuck no.

You broke up with him over that?

Yeah, absolutely.

Love that for you.

Okay, there were rumors earlier this year.

Look at us having a stare-off.

Shy leave.

I don't know what the rumor is about.

We literally just locked eyes.

I was like, there were rumors.

All the lights dim.

There were rumors that you were dating a certain rapper.

Oh, that's interesting.

I haven't heard those.

What was going on there?

I don't know what you're talking about.

You don't know.

No.

I don't know either.

Who

Google myself, so I don't know what you're talking about.

You don't even know.

Okay.

What are you talking about?

Madeline, I'm going to.

I literally don't know what you're talking about.

We're pivoting.

Pivot.

Obviously, your friendships on Riverdale were so iconic and everyone was obsessed with you guys.

What was your first impression of those women in general?

And like, did you even have any idea that you would May I set the record straight about something in Riverdale, actually?

Yeah.

I would love to do this on air.

Please.

Okay.

Recently, an article came out saying that we all fucked each other on the show.

I did not touch a single person on that show with a 10-foot pole.

May I just repeat that one more time?

I did not fuck a single person on Riverdale.

I never touched them.

That's what happened.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

We did people think you fucked the girls or people on set?

It was just like this article that came out that was like, we all fucked each other all the time.

And I was like, hey, no, I did not fuck any of you.

I don't claim that shit at all.

You weren't into anyone on set.

No.

I don't mix business and pleasure like that.

I've never hooked up with a co-star.

Do you know why, though?

You know what's really ironic about all this is Cole sat me down during the pilot and was like, if I can give you one piece of advice, Mats.

Do you have a cigarette?

Can I girl?

He was like, thanks, guys.

You can keep that in.

He was like, don't, hey, don't hook up with any of your co-stars, okay?

And so I was like, okay, got it i won't as he is he's like hey right cool right but you know what honestly best advice i've ever been given was from cole sprite he's like i'm gonna give you advice that i'm not gonna take myself for sure but 100 but no i never i never have that's smart

i think that's really smart yeah thank you um anyways back to the girls oh yeah back to the girls my first impression was that i actually had known lily because

We and I know Vanessa too.

I'd known Lily because we did our chem reads together and she was lovely.

And like, we, we also were like in this thing together where we both hadn't booked it.

So we had this like kind of hive mind.

So we flew there together.

We lived together season one.

Like we were so close and we never met Cami.

She might have done maybe a chem read with her, but I didn't met her.

And then Cami walks in and we all, this is so funny.

The way we all met, we were on a group chain.

We're all at the Sutton Place in Vancouver and we're like, hey, let's all meet in the jacuzzi in an hour.

Like, what?

Like, why are we meeting?

This is why the rumors got out.

They were all like fucking orgies in the hot tub.

Orgies in the hot tub at the Sutton Place.

Do not clip that.

We are not having orgies at the sudden place.

No, we all met in the hot tub and Cami walks in and she's got like, we're like 20, 21.

And she's got this like little black bathing suit on.

She's got this like tat under her boob and she looks all hot.

And I was like, you're the coolest person ever.

Like, bye, you're never going to like me.

But no, we all became best friends like immediately.

The three of us were so close.

It was interesting because the boys and the girls kind of got clicky.

Like the boys all loved each other.

The girls all loved each other.

But no, it was like a match made in heaven really fast, almost scarily fast.

We were like, this is going to burn out quickly.

And then it just never did.

I feel like, obviously, society tries to pit women against each other and make everyone jealous of each other because it's their favorite thing to do.

How did you guys avoid jealousy over like roles and screen time and who was getting more attention and the producers and all the things?

We never had a problem with that.

Ever.

I think because we all started at the exact same place, we were able to just support.

That was all it was.

It was just supporting each other through the hard times, the lows.

I mean, being in your early 20s and booking a show like that that skyrockets to success,

thank God we had each other.

So it became this thing where instead of pitting each other against each other, we were leaning on each other in every second of the day.

Do you think you'll ever re-watch it?

No.

What about when you have a daughter or a son?

I'm not letting her watch that.

Or him.

Wait, why?

You were so good.

Come on.

Actually, no, I will.

I'm just kidding.

You're like i was really good you're right yeah yeah um no i love cheryl to be honest i love her i think it's it was eight years of my life there's so many when i watched the episodes and thinking about what was happening behind the scenes like honestly maybe i will re-watch it one day i watched the pilot the other day and started sobbing stop because i was alone the show could have been so good like i watched the pilot and i was like this is what it could have been like

so close we were so close but i'm also so thankful for it like it's exactly it's why i'm where i am right now i met the friends i have i love cheryl Blossom more than anyone could ever love a character in my life.

She was the most fun, psychotic, crazy woman of the planet Earth.

And always a wild ride and always a challenge.

So I can't complain.

I think watching it would be,

there's still like a bit of sadness about it ending.

So I think it would be kind of like heartbreaking to watch because I still miss.

I was going to work and see my friends every day.

Wait, why did you watch the pilot randomly?

I was like six, where was I?

I was in Tulsa, Oklahoma, shooting this movie, and it was like recommended for you, Riverdale.

And I was like, ha ha, okay.

What's wrong with me?

and I was also on like night shoots I was really overexhausted I was like I'll turn it on and go to bed I watch the whole thing I'm sobbing in bed by myself like hey what's wrong with you honestly really cute that looks really cute I do I really look I really love the show and I think it was it was it was before its time and I think it was really great let's talk about your new movie The Strangers Chapter Two tell me everything so movie one is kind of like your typical home invasion film.

They try to kill us.

They succeed with one, you know.

And then the second movie is just me really fighting for my life more from them in the woods.

And this time in crazy circumstances, doing things I never thought I would do.

It's honestly, when I tell you, I'm like, how the fuck did I do this stuff?

When I watch it, it's like I black out.

I don't know what's happening.

What was the hardest scene to shoot?

There's a scene that is on my fucking, of course, on my

DNRs, which I, so I can't talk about it specifically, but there's a scene where I work with a creature actor.

Okay.

And we had to VFX and into something else.

And I get into a full fight with this thing.

And it's like, it's really brutal.

And that's really insane.

And it was incredibly tough to shoot.

And we had half a day to shoot it.

It's supposed to be two days.

We didn't have time in the schedule.

But it's so cool.

It's so cool.

You have another movie coming out.

I do.

Maintenance required.

This is the complete opposite side of the spectrum.

And we're talking about a romantic comedy, which I love.

The girl has range.

Okay.

She's got an axe next to her head.

She's running.

Oh, we're so scared.

We're so scared.

And then we're funny falling in love.

Funny falling in love.

Okay, what do you think the daddy gang will love most about this movie?

Okay, so Charlie, the lead character, me, is a mechanic.

And she's like a hot mechanic.

And like, I went to mechanic school and like everything I'm doing is real.

So it's, it's just really cool.

Dude, it's so refreshing to actually hear like you learned how to pole dance from your other movie.

You're learning to be a mechanic.

Dude, I get paid to learn new skills.

Why would I not want to do it?

They're like, we can get you a handle.

I'm like, no.

Put me in, coach.

Like, that sounds so much, like, why would I not want to do that?

That's so fun.

And it's like, um, it's like a ode to, I'm sure you've got males probably before most of Daddy Gang's time.

Never said Daddy Gang out loud.

It's okay.

Sounds good.

I like it.

But it's like an ode to those 90s, early aughts rom-coms that we all love.

And I feel like we're trying to get back.

It's the haters to lovers trope.

It's really fun.

Jacob is brilliant in it, my co-star.

And it's,

it's really fun.

And the love is earned.

You were a producer on both of these movies.

What made you want to step into that role?

I just, if you can't tell by our conversation, I have like a naturally producerial brain, I feel like.

So I kind of, especially being on Riverdale, where the kids kind of ran the show, like we were there for so long that we learned everything we could possibly learn, especially the girls.

Like we really soaked that up.

We all have production companies now.

So I think it just comes naturally to me to produce.

I just get it.

I get scheduling.

I understand how development works.

I have a good brain for creative writing.

And like, it's just kind of, it was a natural evolution.

The strangers, I got offered two weeks before we started shooting and I was like, hey, I love the concept.

Script's got to be redone.

Let's work on that.

I go to Slovakia like three days later.

I start working on the script with the writers and the producer.

I'm like writing in Slovakia.

And then it just kind of naturally evolved to me producing it.

Same with maintenance required.

It was a very similar process.

That's really cool because, even just hearing, like, all the way back to the beginning of this interview, you talking about how you like loved the arts, you threw yourself into it.

Now, to be continuing to like build on what you love,

it's so cool to see you now also like in these movies.

Like, it's just, we love seeing you on our screens.

I think.

Madeline,

thank you so much for coming on.

That was such a journey.

That was

we literally started.

We go high, we go low, we go high, we go low.

We went all over the place, but I feel like the fun thing about sitting down with you is like, we see this version of you that we see on our screens in movies, television shows.

We see you online.

But to hear you actually talk more about who you are, where you came from, why you are the way you are, I think it's going to let your fans and mine just like fall more in love with you and really appreciate watching you grow.

And I'm excited to see what the next decade holds for you, my girl.

Thanks for making this such a safe space, my girl.

Love you.

Love you.

That was really good.

Yeah.

Bye.

Daddy Gang, you know what's hotter than a new episode of Call Her Her Daddy?

A new episode with zero ads.

Yeah, you heard that right.

Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcast Plus on Apple Podcasts or visit SiriusXM.com slash podcast plus to listen ad-free on Spotify or whatever app you're obsessed with.

No interruptions, all the chaos.

Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Bic Soleil Glide.

So many moments of my life are unplanned where I'm thinking I'm going to a meeting or I think I'm going here.

And then all of a sudden Matt's like, oh, let's go on a date night later tonight.

And I'm like, oh my God, no time, no problem.

Bic Soleil Glide is built for those last minute plans and high stakes smoothness.

Prep, shave, and hydrate in one easy step, daddy gang.

No shave cream needed.

Thank God.

Bic Soleil Glide hydrates your skin during and after you shave.

And it's the only disposable razor with a moisture bar and five flexible blades.

So the shave is super close and the skin always smooth.

Bic Soleil Glide, your time to shine.

Look for Bic Soleil Glide at your local Walmart or at Walmart.com.

When the sun sets, the city transforms.

The skyline glows.

The energy surges and the night comes alive.

At the heart of it all is the Cosmopolitan of Las Vegas, a luxury resort destination where bold experiences unfold.

From a one-of-a-kind restaurant collection to sleep cocktail lounges and hidden speakeasies, every moment invites indulgence book your stay now at cosmopolitanlasvegas.com

call her daddy is brought to you by life lock chances are you've been to the doctor recently and you probably handed over your insurance your id and even maybe your social security number your doctor is just one of the many places that has your personal information daddy gang and if any of them accidentally expose your details you could be at risk of identity theft.

Lifelock monitors millions of data points a second.

If you become a victim, they will fix it guaranteed or your money back.

So save up to 40%

your first year at lifelock.com/slash daddy.

Terms apply.

Stay safe, daddy gang.