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Speaker 1 If you say that you're a pro-skateboarder now, that has much more merit than when I said I was a pro-skateboarder in 1984.

Speaker 1 Ended up with a broken pelvis, a fractured skull, and a lot of pain. Did you ever think you were going to die doing that?

Speaker 1 That was fair. Hey, hey.

Speaker 1 Welcome. Hiding behind the post.
How are you?

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 You look different in person. Oh, yeah? Is that good or bad? You look younger.
Oh, that's good then. Thank you.
So do you. How old are you now? 55.
Come on. Really? I am.

Speaker 1 You know, it's depressing that, like, I can take, I was born in the 50s, kid in the 60s. I can take the 60s, 70s being like ancient history, but the 90s, kids.
Oh, to kids.

Speaker 1 Younger kids, they're like, that was, you mean in the 1900s?

Speaker 1 How old are your kids?

Speaker 1 They range from 31 to 15 and then a bunch of 20 somethings in between. How many in this literature?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Five boys. You have six kids.
Five boys, yeah, between my wife and I, yeah.

Speaker 1 From one woman? No.

Speaker 1 That wouldn't be a lot to ask of one woman.

Speaker 1 Yes. You know, birth's got to be a bitch, right?

Speaker 1 It looks very traumatizing. Yes.

Speaker 1 They say a man, you know, that old cliche, a man could never

Speaker 1 undergo the pain of a woman giving birth. So that's what I have to say to women.

Speaker 1 It looks like

Speaker 1 they have an out-of-body experience.

Speaker 1 Have giving birth? Yeah, I think so. Well, at least giving, see, like if you're being tortured, I mean, like, what?

Speaker 1 Like, you know, people, men get tortured, women do too, but I mean, like, probably more men because they're serving more in the military.

Speaker 1 Not that women don't, but certainly in the time when they were getting captured. So

Speaker 1 if you're giving birth, it's painful, but it's a positive experience. You're giving life.
Sure.

Speaker 1 I don't see a lot of people comparing those two specifically, though. Childbirth and torture.
So

Speaker 1 it begs it because if you're going to defend the idea that there's nothing more painful

Speaker 1 than childbirth, then I'm going to throw in torture. I see.
Okay, we're just going all the way to the extreme. I understand.
Well, I mean, if you're saying it's the most, then I got to go to.

Speaker 1 How else do I argue that? Am I wrong? I don't know. Well,

Speaker 1 I don't know if you're wrong, but I just think that's an extreme scenario.

Speaker 1 But I'm not apples to oranges. I mean, you know, pain is pain.

Speaker 1 Pain is pain, and I'm sure you've had a lot of it. I've had enough.
I actually was telling someone just now,

Speaker 1 I've had just enough to keep me in check, but not make me quit what I do.

Speaker 1 Well, but you're still, you're not still doing what you did when you were 25. Not on that level, but I'm still doing it to a certain degree, yes.
To a degree that could,

Speaker 1 yeah, most people would consider it reckless, yeah.

Speaker 1 So you're like the Mike Tyson of,

Speaker 1 oh,

Speaker 1 maybe.

Speaker 1 Your sport. How old is he now?

Speaker 1 60, and he's fighting again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, well, so at least I got a few more good years.

Speaker 1 But are you in competition at 50? Uh, no, I mean, sometimes they have

Speaker 1 they have a legends category of competition. Right.
And I get into those once in a while, but um, honestly, there's so many outlets now in terms of if you're

Speaker 1 if you are a pro skater, you are a pro skater, you have social media, you have all these other ways to

Speaker 1 be out there

Speaker 1 that you don't have to compete anymore.

Speaker 1 But in my day you had to compete to get recognized or get any sort of success also

Speaker 1 competition is your drug

Speaker 1 um i would say it it was all elite it was my incentive for sure

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 1 my big directive all through the years was just learning new tricks and so the competition was incidental to that in fact sometimes that got in the way of progression to me because I had to skate in this sort of conservative way to compete.

Speaker 1 Couldn't take many chances. Interesting.
And then when the competition was over, I was on the ramp the next day trying to learn tricks.

Speaker 1 So when did that change when they recognized instead of squelched what you were good at?

Speaker 1 That's a good question. I mean, I got a lot of

Speaker 1 flack through the years just because my style was weird. I was mostly focused on tricks.
And so I didn't look like I was flowing. I didn't have a lot of height because I was small.

Speaker 1 I think it was probably honestly not until maybe my second decade of skating that I got more respect for my skills. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I mean, as someone who's not a great follower of it, like

Speaker 1 you're the name I know. You're from my

Speaker 1 view from as not one of those on the inside. It was like, it wouldn't take me two seconds

Speaker 1 if it was a word association

Speaker 1 and they said your name or skateboard. Oh, thank you.
Well, I think that's the majority of the country. I think that stems also from our video game success.

Speaker 1 A lot of that, especially because I'm not sure. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought it was more that you were this innovator of a way of doing it that leveled it up, that took it to its own.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm honored if

Speaker 1 that's the narrative. Am I wrong?

Speaker 1 I definitely created a different way of doing it, mostly out of desperation, because I was so small that I couldn't figure out how to do the aerial maneuvers that I saw these bigger kids doing like these men doing and I created a technique of doing it that that required less

Speaker 1 less

Speaker 1 strength

Speaker 1 if that makes sense

Speaker 1 yeah and then and and then that allowed me to get to finally get airborne like I wanted to and that became the sort of standardized way to do it going forward I'm just saying that sometimes something somebody, it's rare, but somebody in a sport will do something, and it makes the sport a different,

Speaker 1 it takes it to a different kind of place. I mean, Babe Ruth is the great example because, I mean, before that,

Speaker 1 you know, nobody hit a lot of home runs. It was a rare thing.
It's not how you scored. I think one year, Ty Cobb led the league with nine.
Right.

Speaker 1 It was like a, it was more like a trip, more like a triple.

Speaker 1 And, and then he, you know, bombed, you know, 59 and 60. That was, you know, and just changed.
He figured out a way to do it without running the bases.

Speaker 1 Yeah, when I see the footage of him, he's not as fat as they make it in.

Speaker 1 No, no, I wasn't saying, I'm just saying it was just a matter of time. No, but he was fat.

Speaker 1 But in his eyes, it was like, well, this is the way I get a score. But it just shows you, it's not always about the body.
Right. And that was a bad body.
That was like a dad bod plus.

Speaker 1 Dad bod.

Speaker 1 And he he was drunk, you know. I mean, this guy could eat a home run drunk eating a pork chop.
Yeah. Yeah.
He probably did several times, sometimes with one hand. And I mean, he was a badass.

Speaker 1 He was fascinating.

Speaker 1 I thought that movie was good, too. Which movie? John Goodman? John Goodman.
That's right. I remember that.
He was perfect to play him. He was.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, cheers. Thanks for having me.
Pleasure.

Speaker 1 Although

Speaker 1 there are people, and I may be one of them, who think Blaber would very well be at least half black.

Speaker 1 If you look at him, his features, it's just not out of the question that the greatest player in the sport that worked desperately hard to keep the black people out of the sport was himself.

Speaker 1 It could be. I don't know.
But his background is a little murky.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know,

Speaker 1 orphanage. Right.

Speaker 1 But that would make him even more of a towering figure like it would be like if they knew that jack johnson who was also like an amazing badass jackie robertson of course

Speaker 1 i mean

Speaker 1 your sport is not like diversity crazy is it oh it is yeah it is absolutely yeah so who are the who are the best people now who are the oh so many wow um

Speaker 1 Some of the best skaters from Japan. You keep up with the kids.

Speaker 1 You keep the kids. You talk to them.
You mentor them. you're like they must

Speaker 1 i don't i don't actively seek it i don't want to impose anything on them but if they if they ask me any advice i'm happy to give it um my style of skating is more uh the half pipe the ramp kind of skating whereas the the more popular discipline of skating is is street, which is just out in the wild skating the rails and the ledges.

Speaker 1 And I did a little bit of that, but at some point I realized I'm not moving the needle doing this. And my ankles hurt from doing it so much.
They do.

Speaker 1 And I like flying. So I just went back to skating the ramps and those kind of injuries now that you still are dealing with from.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would say the biggest one, the most chronic one is my neck because I just had so many whiplashes through my life.

Speaker 1 But actually, I got stem cells a couple months ago for my neck. And I'm just now feeling the positive effects of it.
Oh, good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But even after the first time that happened, you didn't deter you from.

Speaker 1 No. I mean, the first time I got hurt, I was 11.

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 1 got concussion, knocked out my front teeth, and I literally woke up in the ambulance. And

Speaker 1 my first thought was not, oh my God, what have I done? My first thought was,

Speaker 1 why did I fall on that trick and how can I do it better?

Speaker 1 And I think that was probably a defining moment in my career. And what do you attribute this

Speaker 1 inordinate amount of drive and ambition and stubbornness? Really? More obsessive, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, you know, it definitely determined. My mom used to always say I was determined.
That was her way of,

Speaker 1 that was her way of speaking nicely when her friends were like, your son's a terror. And your kids take after you?

Speaker 1 In various ways, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 The same kind of drive? Yeah. Really? Yeah, in different ways for sure.
I would say a couple of them maybe more um more than me and and

Speaker 1 against their own health you know against their own well-being um and then others are very talented but but not as eager to push the limits and then some kind of you know my my oldest son is a pro skater

Speaker 1 oh yeah

Speaker 1 well there you go yeah

Speaker 1 most

Speaker 1 people who talk to me about their kids are always complaining that they're too woke and they drive them crazy with their...

Speaker 1 Is that you find that problem with your kids? Do you find them to be

Speaker 1 always...

Speaker 1 No, I mean,

Speaker 1 I've definitely seen the shift of

Speaker 1 attitudes and the generation, you know, because we do have varying ages. And I see how even.

Speaker 1 My oldest is more steeped in

Speaker 1 this attitude or whatever from his early days in the

Speaker 1 like in the 90s and the 2000s. And then the younger ones are definitely more aware of everything else and pronouns and things like that.
So I feel like

Speaker 1 we see the full spectrum of it.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 my wife and I are pretty loose. We're, you know, we just roll with it.
We're not, we're not trying to impose any sort of values in that way on them.

Speaker 1 No, it's them trying to impose it on you.

Speaker 1 They don't for us, no. They don't.

Speaker 1 They don't try to shame you. No, but I don't, like I said, we're very, we're, we're,

Speaker 1 I would say we're, we're more understanding in that way. We're not,

Speaker 1 because my wife and I both had, you know, we had parents. My, my dad was in World War II.
Mine too. Yeah.
And so he was, he was much older when I was born.

Speaker 1 But he and my mom, children of the depression, they were just, this is how it is. That's right.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I tried to be a little more open-minded than that. There's got to be a middle ground.

Speaker 1 I believe so, yes. I mean, what they call today, they call it gentle parenting.
Yeah, we're not, we're not that.

Speaker 1 I will tell you, we're not that. We're children of the 70s.
We're not gentle parenting. Yeah.
Right. At some point, you got to hear hard no's.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 But no corporal punishment. No, no, no.
Never hit a kid? No, no. Were you hit as a kid? I was not.
Never was spanked? No.

Speaker 1 Really? I think my dad had a pretty abusive background, and he was very adamant

Speaker 1 to not keep that going, that cycle.

Speaker 1 Maybe that's why you want so much pain now.

Speaker 1 You missed it in childhood. Well, I got spanked.
Well, I had plenty in my childhood. I mean, I started skating at age 10.
I got spanked. Yeah.
Not often. Right.
But it was like the nuclear option.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 That to me is the correct policy for corporal punishment. Of course, you put it in the hands of sadists and stupid people and drunks and drug addicts, but that's true of any, everything with a child.

Speaker 1 If a child is living with a psycho of some kind,

Speaker 1 it's going to be horrible. And it's probably going to manifest in some sort of physical violence as well, and that's horrible.
But that doesn't mean you need to proscribe this.

Speaker 1 for the majority of people who, you know, kids are little fucking monsters. They're feral.

Speaker 1 You have to educate them to be decent humans.

Speaker 1 It's not innate.

Speaker 1 No, you definitely, yeah, but you can teach them to make good choices, I think,

Speaker 1 without physically abusing them. I think that's abusing them.
But I understand what you're saying. Spanking is not an abusive

Speaker 1 abuse.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I think your experience or whatever is more of an exception to the rule when you think about people who are regularly spanking or human beings.

Speaker 1 Not in my generation. In my generation, everybody got spanked.
In fact, I mean, it's hysterical. I did actually, I got hit in school once.
Oh, and then there were the nuns. They wouldn't go.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, I wasn't going to Catholic school, but. Yeah, no, I got hit with a ruler by nuns.
Like, I wouldn't go to Catholic.

Speaker 1 I got hit with the equivalent of a phone book. Catechism.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 they had a ruler.

Speaker 1 I guess it was just

Speaker 1 why you would carry a ruler, I think, only for that purpose. We weren't measuring things.
Right. You know, we weren't measuring things.
It was definitely the whipping stick.

Speaker 1 Catholic, the whipping stick.

Speaker 1 And it was on the knuckles. Yep.
And, you know, it smarted. And I don't think that's the worst thing to do to a kid.
And look, I mean, smarted. That was

Speaker 1 the perfect generational term for that. Absolutely did.
Oh, that smarts.

Speaker 1 And that's why the kids today have no smarts. Good night, everyone.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 it is, I do think it's connected. I think you have, I mean, kids need boundaries.
They need discipline. They're not getting it.

Speaker 1 That's why they've gone insane.

Speaker 1 Well, okay, but having a lot of kids and you have none,

Speaker 1 I think it's easier for you to generalize that.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, you can look at it two ways.

Speaker 1 You're too close to it and I'm too far to it. You see your kids.
And when you, when people look at their own kids, it's very hard for them to see flaws.

Speaker 1 Their kids are. Well, I'm not saying they're not flawed.
I have no way that I say that. And I never would, nor would they.

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 1 But I mean, parents, it's hard to be objective about your own kids.

Speaker 1 Maybe you're, I'm sure you're right, you're not in this category, but lots of parents.

Speaker 1 And this is one of the big problems with parenting and all the problems it causes down the road for all of us in society is that parents don't give their kids boundaries. They don't

Speaker 1 rarely say no.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I agree with you there. They take the path of least resistance.
And also just the idea that you have to complement everything

Speaker 1 for jobs that are expected. Oh,

Speaker 1 that is the that's the rubber. And then you know what, you know what the result of that is? It's like

Speaker 1 you grow up like that, and I see it in society. Like every

Speaker 1 people now that the younger two generations expect to be complemented for just ordinary things. I got this

Speaker 1 exercise machine. I wouldn't say the company, but you know, and it comes with you know an app on your phone and you can connect that to the TV.

Speaker 1 And then you basically, there's a trainer on there, many, many programs. And I couldn't, I did this for a few months.

Speaker 1 I just couldn't take it anymore because the trainers, it's not what they're telling me to do, it's that every five seconds they have to tell me

Speaker 1 you're a warrior. And Just shut the fuck up and tell me what to pick up.

Speaker 1 I mean, I want to say

Speaker 1 that's part. That was part of, you know, my dad was very rare with compliments.

Speaker 1 And so when I was doing, you know, skating and stuff, it wasn't that I was doing it to impress him, but

Speaker 1 definitely there was a part of me that was like.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. I remember my father once looking at my report card and it was like all A's except like one B,

Speaker 1 which was in like science or something.

Speaker 1 And he just went, hmm, hadn't had some tough tests in science this term. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just a little dig. And it's like, just enough to make me want to get his approval even more

Speaker 1 next time, which I don't think is the worst thing in the world.

Speaker 1 Because I probably did do better next time.

Speaker 1 I mean, we could have used a little encouragement. Absolutely.
No, I mean, that generation, which apparently is both our parents' generation, the World War II generation,

Speaker 1 the Depression and the war. I mean, these motherfuckers were hard.

Speaker 1 Hard.

Speaker 1 These kids, they think

Speaker 1 they don't even know the meaning of it. Hard.
They were hardened by

Speaker 1 trying to raise four kids. She's working.

Speaker 1 You know, my dad is in the Navy. It was definitely not easy.

Speaker 1 I've recently found something she wrote. She passed away, but

Speaker 1 where she was talking about her life. She's like, my life is generally good.
We could have used a little more money in the coffer.

Speaker 1 You know what, one thing that nobody in the first half of the 1940s ever said to each other?

Speaker 1 What are you doing these days? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Working. The war.
Yeah. I think we're all doing the war.
Okay. We're all involved with the war.
We're fighting. We're fighting.
Either on the home front

Speaker 1 or just all

Speaker 1 of them. All of them for sure.
Yeah.

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Speaker 1 Terms apply.

Speaker 1 Are you going to go into politics? I am

Speaker 1 very political.

Speaker 1 It seems like

Speaker 1 you slip and slide on every question.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't say slip and slide.

Speaker 1 Look at that. I wouldn't say slip and slide.
What I would say is...

Speaker 1 I'm definitely hardened in my vagueness.

Speaker 1 That's a great phrase. That's a book title.
Hardened in my vagueness. I'm going to steal that.
That's genius. I think I just experienced so many walks of life and I've experienced so.

Speaker 1 What do you mean, walks of life? Just in terms of skateboarding, like so many people that chose to skateboard were outcasts and misfits and had really difficult backgrounds.

Speaker 1 And so I just grew up around all that. So I came to be much more understanding.
I remember doing this joke about... Oh, it's probably in my book, which.
Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 Did someone drop that there about that? Yeah, somebody just dropped this here. Oh, what this Winniean said will shock you.

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Speaker 1 But there's one in there about, we're talking about

Speaker 1 cultural appropriation, and they were doing it with sports. And they got mad last Olympics with surfing because it was

Speaker 1 cultural appropriation from Hawaii. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Is your sport in the Olympics? Yes. See? As of last in Tokyo.
Right. That's congratulations.
Yeah, it is a big deal. Well, you probably

Speaker 1 did that probably more than anyone. Oh, I appreciate it.
Yeah. Anyway, so

Speaker 1 we were talking about how it's so ridiculous. First of all, surfing, like, how do we know where it started? The idea of standing on a board in the water.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's pretty well documented that it was Hawaii, but I do feel like they own a Hawaii.

Speaker 1 There was zillions of islands around there. Like, that never thought, nobody else thought of that, even if they did.
So the the fuck what? Why is it wrong? Oh, no, I didn't say it was wrong.

Speaker 1 But this is what they were saying. It's cultural.
Yeah, I don't, I don't agree with that. And then we mentioned there's a hardened opinion.
I don't agree with that. How's that?

Speaker 1 That it's not appropriation. Okay.
So we do agree, though, right? Okay. Yeah.
I mean, it's right. I mean, it's standing on the board in the water.
I mean, it's just fun in the ocean. Okay.

Speaker 1 So, but then, like, badminton came from France, I think.

Speaker 1 Or maybe tennis. Sure.

Speaker 1 You don't know that? I I don't know. I think tennis came from France.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 maybe

Speaker 1 skiing came from Norway.

Speaker 1 Judo came from Korea.

Speaker 1 Or Taekwondo came from Korea.

Speaker 1 Judo came from the Far East and skateboarding came from the far out.

Speaker 1 That was the joke.

Speaker 1 Which I always thought was pretty cute.

Speaker 1 But to your point, like it always seemed like a place with for misfits. Yes, absolutely.
It was, it was our,

Speaker 1 it was where we belonged. Yep.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Emily, like as opposed to like picking up a guitar, you did that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I think there was a sense of community in skateboarding where here's how I felt. I

Speaker 1 played basketball and baseball and I was okay. I never felt like I was making measured progress in any of those.
And then every time I skated, I got better at it. Right.
So at some point, I thought,

Speaker 1 this is what I love doing because I love the freedom of it. And I love that I always improve what I'm doing.
And then I found this community of people that were supportive, but also

Speaker 1 were understanding. And it was an individual pursuit.
And it was more like, this is more like an art form as much as

Speaker 1 a sport. Almost like ballet.

Speaker 1 Sure. But with, but with or not.
You don't have to humor me on that.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 well, the close

Speaker 1 because ballet is athletic

Speaker 1 as well as an art form. It's a little like

Speaker 1 but the idea that skateboarding was highly competitive. I mean, I guess ballet is highly competitive in terms of you're trying out for roles and stuff.

Speaker 1 And I'm talking about like, well, there were these competitions where you were getting judged and you wanted to do well so you could get recognized to to move forward.

Speaker 1 But what I found was just this group of people that were so creative and supportive, yet

Speaker 1 yet

Speaker 1 motivated. And

Speaker 1 they listened to weird music, they dressed weird, they had crazy haircuts, and I loved it. And I felt like

Speaker 1 these are my people.

Speaker 1 And so when I had any modicum of success, the first thing I wanted to do was provide those facilities for kids who are disenfranchised and people, kids who choose skateboarding, but don't have anywhere to go to do it.

Speaker 1 So you were rebelling against against your stern father.

Speaker 1 He was actually very supportive of skateboarding. He was, he was.
He was, yeah. From the beginning.
From the beginning, yeah. Because he saw what it provided me.

Speaker 1 And also, I mean, let's put it this way.

Speaker 1 The year I chose to go all in on skateboarding was the same year they appointed him Little League president in our area. And

Speaker 1 he was okay with me quitting Little League.

Speaker 1 in that year, which was an awkward conversation.

Speaker 1 Well, because he was so invested in you being a baseball player? Well,

Speaker 1 the only reason he's in the little part of the little league is I'm on a team. Right.
And I quit. So he had to finish out the year without any of his kids in Little League.
Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's that is embarrassing. And I would be at the skate park.

Speaker 1 So. But I mean.

Speaker 1 But he was, but he was, like I said, he was totally supportive. And he actually helped to form one of the only

Speaker 1 sanctioning bodies at the time for competition because he saw that there was just no there was no organization in skating it was just such a wild west

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 you were famous by what age

Speaker 1 I guess that depends on how you define fame right it's always shifting that's true but I mean known in the skateboard community for sure by the time I was 15 or 16 and in the wider community like when would I

Speaker 1 so in the 80s skating was kind of big

Speaker 1 back to the future 80s yeah yeah and I was doing really well in competition so if anyone was looking at skateboarding, they might have seen my name because I was winning a lot of events.

Speaker 1 But so, you know,

Speaker 1 mid to late 80s. Like with girls? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, it was, it was a weird time because there weren't a lot of girls.
There must be skateboarding groupies.

Speaker 1 More so now. More so now? Yeah.
Cause skating is really consistent with the sky. Do you feel cheated by that? What's that? Do you feel cheated by that?

Speaker 1 Are you bitter?

Speaker 1 Come on. I'm okay.
I'm okay. I mean, I've lived many lifetimes.
what how is a skateboarding groupie like different than say the motley crew groupie

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 1 i don't i i i i haven't met both so i don't really know

Speaker 1 well i'll get tommy lee over here but i well now skateboarding is much more diverse i mean there they're there are equal events um and there's parity and prize money men and women so Kruby is a tough term, but I would say that if you say that you're a pro-skateboarder now,

Speaker 1 that has much more merit than when I said I was a pro-skateboarder in 1984. Really? Because if you said you're a pro-skateboarder in'84, they're like, You still skateboard at your age, and I was

Speaker 1 16.

Speaker 1 Right, it was a kid's

Speaker 1 kids', right? Yeah, so it was more like it wasn't the best in to meet girls. Wow,

Speaker 1 huh.

Speaker 1 And then when there was sort of a little bit of more hype

Speaker 1 in like 1988-ish,

Speaker 1 then it was, it was more like, oh, hey, that's cool. You're a professional.
Wow, you travel the world. Well, you got married young, right? I did, yeah.
How old?

Speaker 1 I was 24.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 when you get married at 24, what are you thinking? Because.

Speaker 1 Well, I was starting a family. I mean, it was, you know, it was all kind of happening quick.
It didn't last that way, but

Speaker 1 it was more just,

Speaker 1 I was kind of a disaster.

Speaker 1 So, you know, I thought I was getting grounded in my chaotic lifestyle of skating because skating was taking me all over the world. And it was kind of frantic.

Speaker 1 You know, it was like, it was, it was a strange,

Speaker 1 it was a strange space to be in because no one had really done it yet, made a career like that.

Speaker 1 And we were sort of forging the way. So we didn't really even know what we were doing.
It was exciting, isn't it? It was exciting, yeah. It's so, I mean, to be.
It was crazy.

Speaker 1 I I mean, I never expected to leave San Diego, and all of a sudden, I was in Japan for two weeks, I was in Australia for a month, I was in Europe for two months. You know, it was like

Speaker 1 I didn't, it wasn't like when people pick up the guitar and they're like, I'm gonna travel the world, I'm gonna play. It was like, I picked up a skateboard because I loved doing it.

Speaker 1 I had no idea that it was gonna take me around the world or make any money ever.

Speaker 1 It was kind of wild. And what,

Speaker 1 what about drugs? Is it like

Speaker 1 Lance Armstrong and the doping scandal?

Speaker 1 That there was

Speaker 1 steroid or whatever they're done doping to.

Speaker 1 I've never seen anyone that was doing that.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I feel like that just doesn't give you an advantage.

Speaker 1 Really? No, yeah. I mean, at some point, you got to be hand-to-eye coordination and

Speaker 1 be flexible, too, though.

Speaker 1 Why would that make you unflexible? I don't know. It just feels like if you're on steroids, it's more for the actual power and the muscles.
Okay, but like

Speaker 1 when I don't think it's

Speaker 1 when baseball was going through its steroid period, you remember that? Sure. Mark Maguire, Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds, they were all hitting seven.
Right, but that's what I mean.

Speaker 1 Like skateboarding isn't about the

Speaker 1 why did they hit, why did what was the connection between why those balls were flying out and the steroids? I think it's hand-eye coordination. Not the strength or the power behind it? Yes, that too.

Speaker 1 But I think what really makes the ball fly out of the yard is how

Speaker 1 fast you hit it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just, I don't know. I mean,

Speaker 1 there might be an example of someone that

Speaker 1 was juicing and skateboarding and that was doing well, but I don't know anything about that. Like, I've never seen anyone.

Speaker 1 I've never thought they should have even been prosecuted because everything changes in sports over time. I mean, Babe Ruth didn't have to face black players.

Speaker 1 Really, you know, in his era, he didn't have to play night games.

Speaker 1 He had a high batting average because they wore little mitts, you know. I mean, everything, so the fact that they were, you know, juicing at a certain point, I mean, but so were the pitchers.

Speaker 1 Roger Clemens was doing it. Well, I mean, that's the whole thing with Lance Armstrong.
It was like, wasn't that,

Speaker 1 it wasn't that he was doing it. It was that he

Speaker 1 was doing it, so he figured out how to do it the most stealthy or the better way. I don't know.
Like, yeah, that's wild.

Speaker 1 He sat here and he told me how he did it.

Speaker 1 He said,

Speaker 1 every drug test I took, it was a real drug test. It wasn't somebody else's P.
It's just that I knew how to get stuff that left your body in four hours.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, that was it. It was like, don't hate the player, hate the game.

Speaker 1 That's why I think the Lance Armstrong story is a great story. Yeah, it's fascinating.
Because

Speaker 1 it's a great American story because America wanted him to be the champion. Right.
And he did what we wanted. He got to be the champion by doing something that everybody else was doing.

Speaker 1 And then, you know, he was the history's greatest monster when he lied about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he was, by his own admission, kind of an asshole about it. Yeah, yes.
And was like very driven.

Speaker 1 You know, you've seen like the nice version. Not that he's a bad guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But also when you talk about skating, like, I just don't think anything is going to be an advantage.
I know plenty of skaters that smoked a lot of weed. Really? Weed? That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and they

Speaker 1 skated well. What's that? Doesn't do anything for you.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 that I associate with skating.

Speaker 1 Like almost to the point where you could do a joke, and I think I probably have, and I think I may have just done one,

Speaker 1 intimating the connection between weed and skating. Oh, yeah.
I mean,

Speaker 1 well,

Speaker 1 I agree with you that there's definitely the stereotype. And to some extent, especially in the 80s, that was on point.
But I feel like now skating is so much more diverse. And there's so many people.

Speaker 1 And now it's in the Olympics. So people are very serious, but they're working out.
Like, they're sponsored by Nike. They have those resources.

Speaker 1 No, no. I never, I smoked weed a little bit when I was younger and it really affected my skating negatively.

Speaker 1 And I was so hyper-fixated on skating that it was like, I can't do that because this is what I have. This is what I do.
No, I can see that. I mean, I can see how it would be bad.

Speaker 1 I've played basketball, Stoned,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 I can be pretty good, Stoned. Sometimes I think even better, but not drunk.
I tried that.

Speaker 1 That really threw my game. I learned my lesson the hardest way drinking and skating.
I was skating at a party. Basically, I didn't realize it was a, it was like before raves were raves.

Speaker 1 And it was just this random warehouse party way outside of a city in New Zealand. You were hired to do this or you were just having a break?

Speaker 1 No, we were there on tour and they said, hey, there's this big warehouse party. You guys should go.
And they have a mini ramp. I'm like, yeah, sweet, let's go.

Speaker 1 And so we went and somewhere, somewhere around one or 2 a.m., they said, last call, last call, let's go drink. And so we went and pounded a few beers, went back to the mini ramp.

Speaker 1 I dropped in and hit the other wall, like as if as if it was just a wall, not a ramp or a slope.

Speaker 1 And that was uncharacteristic. Very much so.
That was my lesson. I was like, oh, I don't, I can't drink and skate.
Is that on film?

Speaker 1 No, thankfully are you sure maybe we're talking about like 1990 what about one what about doing a reenactment

Speaker 1 uh i i do that enough on accidents though did you ever think you were going to die doing that no no you ever thought oh i just

Speaker 1 like while you were mid-air i had i had some bad

Speaker 1 uh concussions bad accidents and for sure in hindsight oh that was extremely dangerous and life-threatening what's that You've had concussions. Yeah, several, yeah.
What's that like?

Speaker 1 It sucks because you wake up and you

Speaker 1 wake up elsewhere and you

Speaker 1 at first don't remember what happened. You're completely knocked out.
Oh, yeah. So when you come to.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well,

Speaker 1 there's sort of a gray period where you have come to, but you keep repeating the questions. You keep asking what happened and you don't have, you're not cognizant really.

Speaker 1 Because I've seen other people go through it, so I know what it's like. Scary.

Speaker 1 What's scary is when you've had enough concussions that you recognize you're concussed.

Speaker 1 And so you're like, oh, I know this feeling. Right.
I must have hit my head.

Speaker 1 But also it calms you down because you think, oh, it's going to come back to me. Right.
I'm going to get there.

Speaker 1 But I've had, I've had residual effects. I mean, a couple of times where

Speaker 1 there was one where there were a couple weeks where I couldn't really concentrate. I was trying to edit videos.
I just couldn't make sense of it.

Speaker 1 So I'm very cognizant of that. I'm very,

Speaker 1 you know, I'm aware of the risks and I've definitely been proactive in studying it. Are there lingering effects? I mean, like,

Speaker 1 no. So like a day later, you're not like

Speaker 1 being in the hamper and throwing your clothes in the toilet. No, no, no.
I mean, I definitely had,

Speaker 1 like I told you that one, I had another one where I had. recurring migraines for a couple weeks.

Speaker 1 But that's what they worry about in football, CT.

Speaker 1 of course yeah and and like i said i've been proactive in in sort of um getting tested and making sure that i i have all my facilities and so this is as smart as you get this is it

Speaker 1 you get me on my best

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Speaker 1 So, what do you do for fun when you're not risking your life? I just stay home. I just try to stay home.
What's at home? Your wife? My wife, we have one still at home. My daughter's still at home.

Speaker 1 Wife number three? Yeah, four.

Speaker 1 Four? Yeah. Oh, come on, man.
But I mean, we're on 10 years. I finally figured it out.

Speaker 1 What is different about the four that you, the university?

Speaker 1 Well, one is that we are absolutely perfect for each other. No question.
That helps. Two is that I finally did a lot of work on myself and sort of figured out how to be

Speaker 1 happy, centered,

Speaker 1 content.

Speaker 1 And honestly,

Speaker 1 to like what I was doing, to like myself, because I just, I was skating, but I just didn't really, at some point I was grew up and matured. I mean,

Speaker 1 aging sucks. We all know that, but it's also fucking great because you're just different in your 50s and 60s.
You're comfortable in your skin.

Speaker 1 You know exactly who you are. This is the best version I've been, for sure.
For me, too. I mean, so it's a cruel joke.
that the God I don't believe in.

Speaker 1 No, but I do.

Speaker 1 I feel like, especially with my wife, like, you know we are older we're both you know she's only a year younger than me but I feel like we we are in our best years like it's it's amazing I always think of that when somebody great croaks like wow like

Speaker 1 so much that you put into a life to gather all this wisdom and knowledge and sensitivity and all these good things and then you know, that's the time you would want to preserve it. Right.

Speaker 1 And that's when your body is starting to fail you.

Speaker 1 And that's when it goes, you know? Yeah. I mean, I, I'm,

Speaker 1 I'm definitely

Speaker 1 hanging on, hanging on to that, to what youth I have, especially with skating. But I feel you, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, I'm only, it's only about tomorrow person.
Like

Speaker 1 memories, sad memories, memories of things that were bad and sad,

Speaker 1 they don't make me sad. They make me happy because they're over.
They're over. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But good memories make me sad because good memories are things that are also over. And fleeting.

Speaker 1 And fleeting. Yep.

Speaker 1 And in many ways, irrecuperable. Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But the future is still the future. No matter how old you are, tomorrow is still.
Oh, no. But and I feel like

Speaker 1 we're creating incredible memories now

Speaker 1 because we have

Speaker 1 that much appreciation and we have that all of that experience to understand why we should appreciate it that much more.

Speaker 1 No, I mean, I love life now, it's way more fun than it's ever been. So, the fourth wife is the lucky one.

Speaker 1 She's the one that got the good version of it. Well, but also, she was the catalyst

Speaker 1 for that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you ever feel bad about past wives, past relationships?

Speaker 1 You know, I can't. Wait, let me finish the question.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Feel bad because you learn learn something

Speaker 1 on a later person

Speaker 1 that you didn't know when you were with the earlier person. And you're like, yeah, that I would

Speaker 1 have gone better for her and me and you if I had known that then. But I didn't learn it until Susie.
But I feel bad because I should have known it when I was with Sally, but I didn't.

Speaker 1 And so she suffered. I don't think I get that introspective on it.
No, I feel that all the time. I feel like, oh, yeah,

Speaker 1 if I hadn't been such a dipshit.

Speaker 1 I mean, I feel like I could say that through so many points in my life, not just with relationships.

Speaker 1 So you think it's as ridiculous as I do when people say, I have no regrets?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Well, that just seems like

Speaker 1 you're not accountable for anything.

Speaker 1 It seems to me like you're not sentient. I mean, how can you not have regrets? Every day I have a regret, even if it's just the most minor ones.

Speaker 1 That's like, I never had a perfect day. Like, Trump had a perfect call.

Speaker 1 My day was perfect. I was in court.
I didn't say a word. I always wondered what a perfect call sounded like.

Speaker 1 Like, I wonder if you hang out and you go down to the bottom of the city.

Speaker 1 It's such a testament to his insanity to even come up with that concept. I mean, it's just not a phrase that you've ever heard anyone else say.
A perfect call. Perfect.
A phone call? Perfect.

Speaker 1 Like, no one else in the universe ever put those two things together a perfect and a phone call it just doesn't happen except in the mind of an insane person that's what people miss about him he's stupid of course but also insane that is insane that is a level of insanity of our next of our past and future president but i don't want to drag you into politics and um

Speaker 1 I did, you know, I did politically incorrect. Oh, I remember.
Yeah. You remember the sign? Sure.

Speaker 1 Isn't that awesome that I fucking saved that all these years? Pretty cool. Doesn't it look like a cool thing in front of a stripper pole? Doesn't that word belong? Yeah, that's perfect.

Speaker 1 I mean, come on, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I remember. Again, 90s, but that's why I'm saying we obviously, I was obviously aware of you then, and you obviously had risen to the level where you were on talk shows.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know if I was quite prepared or qualified to be on Incorrect, but

Speaker 1 there were no qualifications. That was the point of the show.
Yeah, that was the idea. The point was to put together four people who, you know, were.

Speaker 1 But I always thought that was a great name because of the Chiron, of course, that were, you know, Senator, you know, actress.

Speaker 1 Skateboarder. It's like, perfect.
This is what I'm trying to do, create this train wreck of mismatched people. And do you remember who you were on with?

Speaker 1 No, I don't.

Speaker 1 I remember I tried to get a few words in edge-wise and I just, it didn't land. Somebody was drowning you out? Yeah.
Could have been Paulie Shore.

Speaker 1 It was not Paulie Shore. I would have remembered that for sure.
I feel like I would have been like I had a little chum with him. But I mean,

Speaker 1 when you do see stuff, you know, from the 90s, occasionally they'll rerun something somewhere or something. I mean, it does look like the land that time forgot.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 The hair, there's a certain kind of, I think it was Armani-influenced suits that men were wearing. Thin leather jackets.

Speaker 1 That too. I mean, it wasn't as horrific as the 80s with the hot pink and the hot ice blue.

Speaker 1 But there is a kind of a look, and the ties are, you know, if you see a movie from the 90s, and it's like, wow.

Speaker 1 That should be recent. And it's, it's, it's a very, I mean, that was, that that show went on 31 years ago.
Right. I mean,

Speaker 1 31 years is,

Speaker 1 you know.

Speaker 1 That's a lot of taped conversation. That's a chunk of time.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 1 I don't know where it goes or, of course, you can't get it back, but what would you tell your, like, if you have one thing to tell your young self? from your old self, what would you tell them?

Speaker 1 What would save you the most pain that you could say to a person

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 1 if you find yourself shooting a tv show for mtv

Speaker 1 two of the jackass cast

Speaker 1 and you're dressed in a monkey suit don't try to do a full loop that's what i would tell my my younger self much more specific than that it's very specific yeah because i ended up with a broken pelvis

Speaker 1 fractured skull, broken thumb, and

Speaker 1 a lot of pain. So what show was this for? Wild Boys.
Wild Boys.

Speaker 1 That was on MTV? Yeah,

Speaker 1 that was one of the offshoots of Jackass.

Speaker 1 So it was when Steve-O and Chris Pontius did their own thing with mostly like animals, wild animals.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 You know, I mean, the Steve-O guy was taking shots at me in the press recently. Oh, yeah, that was unfortunate.
It was unfortunate. Unfortunate is Darfur.

Speaker 1 This was just, I mean, look, I don't want to start a feud, and I'm sorry that he felt slighted or something, but

Speaker 1 it is ridiculous that somebody thinks that I should give up pot smoking because they have a problem. Then I'm sorry, you can't be here.
And,

Speaker 1 you know, well, it's your show. I mean, it's my show, my house, my rules.
And it's sort of almost the point of the show is that this, I already have another show. It's called Real Time.

Speaker 1 It's on HBO, and it's very much not on pot. It's on point.

Speaker 1 This is different. This is just shooting the shit.

Speaker 1 And this is how I shoot the shit. This is an attempt to get conversation as real as it ever is, just like if we were doing this.

Speaker 1 And I don't see anything that we've said that I wouldn't have just said to you if there were no cameras here. And you don't even know where the cameras are.
Okay, so let's remember that.

Speaker 1 But, you know,

Speaker 1 that's what it is. And,

Speaker 1 oh, I mean, I have no feud with any of these jackasses. I've watched all the movies.
They are funny.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm not going to lie.

Speaker 1 I do like that kind of, even though I know it's coming, like a physical gag like that. It's just as funny.

Speaker 1 So much of it is,

Speaker 1 I was actually talking about this. I just did, we have a podcast, Hawk vs.
William.

Speaker 1 And we just interviewed Jeff Tremaine today, the director of Jackass.

Speaker 1 And we were talking about how a lot of the skits that became jackass

Speaker 1 uh iconic moments right were just things that were filler for skate videos i mean that's all that stuff was like there would be skate videos you'd have just sort of weird segues in between the skating segments which were just kind of jackass type stunts right and that's how they started that really is how they started was they had a big brother magazine was a sort of irreverent skate magazine that was uncensored that was just raw and funny that's where Knoxville did his review of self-defense devices.

Speaker 1 Okay. And where he shot himself.
I don't know if you ever saw that, but that's, that's what that was for a skate magazine. And so they made a video of it.

Speaker 1 And then we were talking about how this just was skating sensibilities turned into a whole show. But what you were doing, you were not trying to hurt yourself.
Not at all.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's a very big difference. But we knew the humor in it.
I see the Venn diagram overlap between what you do and

Speaker 1 Jackass. I think there's a huge difference.
I just said skate sensibilities.

Speaker 1 I'm just talking about the idea that you're willing to risk yourself for it. Yes, but you're doing it, again, to perform this ballet.

Speaker 1 They're not doing it for that reason.

Speaker 1 Just take the compliment because

Speaker 1 it is in your favor. Oh,

Speaker 1 I'm a fan and I love it. Look, like I say, I love laughing, and that shit gets, I mean, that's a great just a laugh-a-thon.
Most of it, some of it, if it's gross or something.

Speaker 1 I mean, I can also hate it, but it's,

Speaker 1 look, they gave me laughs. I like anyone who gives me laughs.
But it also does remind me that, you know, show business, you got to love it. And one thing about it is

Speaker 1 if you really insist on being in show business, you can be. You can find a way.
It won't be dignified. Yes.

Speaker 1 You know, it's the old joke about the guy who shovels the shit behind the elephant at the circus. Yeah, leave your dignity at the door.
You know, the, you know, what, and leave show business? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And some people just insist on being in show business. And that's, and God bless them.
Yeah. That's, you know, you, that, you made it work for you at a price I don't think is worth it.

Speaker 1 But if that's the only way you were going to get into the business, I mean, you work with what you got. You work with the hand you dealt.
But I do think that they had a

Speaker 1 there was they were creative in a, in this Buster Keaton sort of way. And it was, yeah, they were willing to destroy themselves for the sake of comedy.
But

Speaker 1 there was so, it was so funny. I mean, we were just talking about, I don't know if you see the bungee thing with Preston and Wee Man, where Preston is the bigger guy, Wee-Man is the little guy.
Right.

Speaker 1 And Preston stood on a bridge and he was bungeed to Wee Man, who jumped off the bridge. And just that in itself was one of the funniest things I've ever heard.
No, it is funny.

Speaker 1 it is there's i mean it it damn well better be yes when you give up your kidney true you know you better or your urethra as johnny oscillator knows i mean i've given up dignity for sure on stage i mean when you're standing there opening for you know a rock band which i've done and they're literally throwing shit at you um to get off the stage and you're dodging stuff while you're telling jokes, you do not have a shred of dignity.

Speaker 1 I'll admit that. I mean, I've been there.
And pay your dues. Yes.
And just, or by my own stupid fault, like, you know, turning off a crowd. I mean, this is 40 years ago, but, you know, still.

Speaker 1 And so, like, no matter what I said, just they were like, look, like when your girlfriend's pissed at you, you know, just

Speaker 1 a look on their face, like, you think I'm going to laugh at you now? Yeah. After what you just said?

Speaker 1 So, I mean, but that's that's a lot different than your body. True.
You know, know,

Speaker 1 you only get one. And as we know, it's a reclamation project to keep it in top shape.
Oh, don't I know it? As time goes by. But you generally feel healthy.
I do.

Speaker 1 I'm actually, I kind of turned a corner recently. I broke my leg two and a half years ago.
Like broke my femur in half.

Speaker 1 Doing what you love. Doing what I love.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And being careless with it. And I paid the price.
I fucked around and found out. And

Speaker 1 that recovery was really rough because I got back on my skateboard too soon. My bone shifted out of alignment.
So I had to have a second surgery to put it back in place. And

Speaker 1 now I've taken it upon myself where I'm, you know, I'm not taking those unnecessary risks anymore. I embrace how old I am and that I get to do this at all on any level.

Speaker 1 So I've actually kind of reached a more baseline of skateboarding.

Speaker 1 You've always got to throttle back.

Speaker 1 It's aging is a

Speaker 1 until I was 58.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's not going to be exactly the same. And that's okay.
That's the thing.

Speaker 1 I mean, I think that's the hard lesson I learned. You make up for it with other.

Speaker 1 You know, it's always a balancing and an act and a trade-off of, yeah, but I'm also getting better at this. True.
You know, I mean, I'm lucky because what I do is

Speaker 1 appear,

Speaker 1 so I can be getting better at 68.

Speaker 1 Whereas an athlete, you guys,

Speaker 1 you know, that candle burns when you're young. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And that's something I'll never, one of the great advantages, I'll never understand the beauty, the joy. It's kind of the same with music.
Usually flowers only when you're young

Speaker 1 of

Speaker 1 certain highs that I think athletes and musicians reach. But I'm also like doing better at my age than most of them are.
Certainly athletes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but when you say it's, it's funny, because skateboarding, like I said, is such an art form as much as it is a sport that there are techniques that I now have learned and that I am working on that are better than what I used to do.

Speaker 1 They're just not as high impact or as risky. And it's like, I never wanted to zero in on those because they didn't seem as interesting.
And now they are the interesting thing because it's more like,

Speaker 1 oh, I can't explore this because I still have this skill set and these things aren't going to kill me. That's, that itself is interesting.
It's really fun.

Speaker 1 So I mean like today, this year, I learned a new trick that no one had done before. But in 10 years? No, not in 10.
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 1 If you asked me 10 years ago, will you be doing this in 10 years? I would have probably said, I don't know.

Speaker 1 So. Mick Jagger is going on tour at 80.

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah, I think 80 is, you know, that'll be a, that'll,

Speaker 1 that's it. No more McTwist at 80.
But then what will you replace it with? That's all. No, I mean, I think that I'll replace it with

Speaker 1 enjoying my children and my children's children and more just sort of reveling in that.

Speaker 1 You've already been doing that for decades. Sure.
Well, I'm saying grandkids. Grandkids would be great because then you can rile them up and give them back.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I never had the chip to like kids or want to have kids.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, you've been very transparent about that.

Speaker 1 that sounds like you're hurling down a glove there no no no i'm just saying i i know that about you i i watched i i'm i'm a fan so thank you i appreciate that of course yeah i mean um so i i'm just saying i've heard you say it many times you're not interested in having kids you don't like

Speaker 1 that well i feel like i have to speak uh

Speaker 1 that because

Speaker 1 nobody else will and there are and i speak for so many people in the country you'll feel that way oh for sure and and i just all i'm ever saying about that is that there should be no moral dimension to it.

Speaker 1 When I started in television, probably when you were first on that show,

Speaker 1 it was considered kind of like you're a weirdo if you have, if you don't aspire to have children. Oh, I agree completely.
And I know plenty of people that are not interested. And that's their choice.

Speaker 1 I respect it. Like, of course, you don't have to.

Speaker 1 It's not a requirement of being a human. Exactly.
And it doesn't make you a better or worse person. What makes you a better or worse person, I think, is how you are as a parent.

Speaker 1 If you're a bad parent, you're a worse person than me because I didn't fuck anybody up. I didn't have anybody.
Yeah, you're creating more problems. But I didn't fuck anybody up either.

Speaker 1 I didn't have somebody and then shirk my responsibility. No, I agree with you completely.

Speaker 1 I, you know, I know if I had had a kid, I don't think I would have,

Speaker 1 you know, been there to the degree that a kid needs. I mean, to a certain degree, you absolutely do have to train your life for your children.
I mean, that is the priority life now.

Speaker 1 You go through your life before you have children, and there's no doubt whose life is a priority? Mine.

Speaker 1 Now, you fall in love. Maybe you'd save your lover before you.
Certainly Jack did it in Titanic, although as many people have pointed out, although I was

Speaker 1 didn't have to.

Speaker 1 He could have got on the thing.

Speaker 1 She was a little selfish there with the,

Speaker 1 yeah, yeah, you know what?

Speaker 1 I've had a rough day. I really need to stretch out.

Speaker 1 But,

Speaker 1 you know, I just never wanted kids. I didn't want them when I was young.
And they were cruel. Kids are cruel.

Speaker 1 I didn't need that. And I, you know,

Speaker 1 they ostracize you. They bully you.

Speaker 1 Like I said, they have to be taught to be decent human beings. It is not

Speaker 1 something that comes naturally. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And on the flip side of that, like I said, my wife and I, we have many children between us. And

Speaker 1 the most rewarding thing is when... When you say many between us, but you mean...
She has two, I have four. Oh, I see.
That's the six. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So it's a blended family.

Speaker 1 So you had four biological ones. Oh, I see.
So this is like yours, mine, and ours. Absolutely.
Yeah. I see.
Yeah. And

Speaker 1 it's just the most rewarding thing as a parent. And I'm not, in no way am I trying to push it to you?

Speaker 1 The most rewarding thing as a parent is when you see your kids and they end up becoming young adults or full-blown adults, when you see them make good choices and you know that you had some influence on that.

Speaker 1 And at some point, you know, we've come a long way with our relationship and there's been plenty of ups and downs

Speaker 1 through all of our years. But when we see them all together and we see them talking, conversing, joking.
Sure. Yeah.
You know,

Speaker 1 that's what it's about. And we look at each other and go, we did it.
Right. Look at this.

Speaker 1 But they're functioning adults. Yeah.
I obviously can't relate in a direct way, but I get that. I really do.

Speaker 1 And I get it for you, where it's like, I'm not interested. That's not my.

Speaker 1 And there's no danger of you tempting me, talking me into this. Oh, no, no.

Speaker 1 It would be more likely that I go out there and do a half pipe. I could do a full pipe.
I could do a hash pipe before

Speaker 1 this would happen. But But no, it's just it is just personal taste.
And it's probably, again, everything goes back to

Speaker 1 our first few years of life and what

Speaker 1 environment plus innateness and what we inherited, our genetics, our DNA, made us this person we are. And it is amazing to me how that has been so steady throughout my life, the kid thing.

Speaker 1 Didn't like them when I was one, didn't change in my

Speaker 1 didn't change in my childbearing age and didn't change in my post-childbearing age. Did you ever date anyone with a kid? Oh, single mothers? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yes, of course.

Speaker 1 There was a, I had a, it's funny you say that.

Speaker 1 I did have a like single mother period where like I just, I don't know what it was, the universe, although I don't believe in that, but I just was with a lot of single mothers.

Speaker 1 I mean, they were like, you know, 22.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 you know i was probably 40.

Speaker 1 but young kids then very young kids who i never met oh yeah okay i guess i never wanted to meet and they they were fine with that they were like young mothers who were like they i i mean they of course loved their kid but they were young they wanted to have fun yeah

Speaker 1 When I came around, it was, it was not about the kid, and we both loved it that way.

Speaker 1 I once had an idea and I pitched it and could have have sold it, except there was a technical problem. I mean, a business problem.

Speaker 1 I was on a network and I couldn't do a show for another network, but they wanted to do it, the Single Mother's Beauty Pageant. I wanted to do a beauty pageant.
Wow. I pitched this, really,

Speaker 1 and they put

Speaker 1 the little four-year-old boy in a tuxedo,

Speaker 1 walking his mother down.

Speaker 1 There would not have been a dry eye in the house. I would still do it.
If anybody's hearing this who wants to do my single mother's beauty pageant.

Speaker 1 That sounds like the reboot of politically incorrect.

Speaker 1 This would be even better. You have to get it, get HBO's permission, and that's going to be tough again.
But I think I could knock this out of the park.

Speaker 1 I think it's very funny, and I think it tugs at the hearts of Americans because, you know, there was a time when single mothers was not a thing. I mean, you ever watch Mad Men? Sure.

Speaker 1 Great show about the, you know, you're a little younger than me, but my youth in the 60s, there were no single mothers. That was not a thing.
We didn't hear about it at school.

Speaker 1 It wasn't in the neighborhood, you know.

Speaker 1 Then it became a big thing. And so there was some judgment, much less now, but there's so many single mothers.
Now it's almost.

Speaker 1 Oh, I mean, I grew up in the 70s, so most of my friends, it was just they live with their mom. That was it.
Is that right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's amazing the way the family did really break down from when I was a kid. I mean, honestly, there was growing up in 60s, New Jersey,

Speaker 1 there was quite a few suicides,

Speaker 1 but no divorce,

Speaker 1 which tells you something about marriage.

Speaker 1 Like, no, really.

Speaker 1 No, it's true. There was like guys in the swimming pool,

Speaker 1 but not a divorce. Yeah, that was like much more common, I feel.
I remember three of those and no divorce. And on Mad Men, there was one character who was the divorced lady.

Speaker 1 And she was like shunned like

Speaker 1 we were the Amish or something. And she was using a radio.
I mean, she was like, lived at the end of the block, and her kid was all fucked up.

Speaker 1 D-word.

Speaker 1 The D-word.

Speaker 1 It's amazing how far this country has come.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 anyway, I'm going to go back to my day job.

Speaker 1 I'll watch you there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 My wife, she has sleepless nights sometimes. And

Speaker 1 if I hear your voice, I know that she's not sleeping. Your wife watches me? Oh, yeah.
Well, I mean, we both watch it, but a lot of times she'll catch up while I'm asleep because she wants to be awake.

Speaker 1 Yeah, oh, yeah. So, thank you.
Hello, I appreciate that. Absolutely.
Thanks very much. Thanks for lulling me back to sleep every once in a while.

Speaker 1 I'll take it. Thank you.

Speaker 4 Oh, and I signed this for you.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. Thank you.
I signed it with great respect to an ultimate champion. Oh, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 Thank you very much. Yeah.
I'm honored.

Speaker 4 You're the babe. Thanks for having me.

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