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If you say that you're a pro skateboarder now, that has much more merit than when I said I was

a pro skateboarder in 1984. I ended up with a broken pelvis, fractured skull, and a lot of pain.

Did you ever think you were going to die doing that?

That's fair. Hey, hey.
Welcome. Hiding behind the post.
How are you? Wow. You look different in person.
Oh, yeah? Is that good or bad? You look younger. Oh, that's good then.
Thank you. So do you.
How old are you now? 55. Come on.
Really? I am. You know, it's depressing that, like, I can take, I was born in the 50s, kid in the 60s,

I can take the 60s, 70s being like ancient history, but the 90s, kids-

Oh, to kids-

Especially-

Who are born after or in-

Younger kids, they're like, that was, you mean in the 1900s?

How old are your kids?

They range from 31 to 15, and then a bunch of 20-somethings in between. How many in this? Six.
Yeah. Five boys.
You have six kids. Five boys, yeah, between my wife and I, yeah.
From one woman? No. That would be a lot to ask of one woman.
Yes. You know, birth's got to be a bitch, right? It looks very traumatizing, yes.
They say a man, you know that old cliche, a man could never undergo the pain of a woman giving birth. That's all I have to say to women.
Come on, man. It looks like they have an out-of-body experience have giving birth yeah i think well at least giving see like if you're being tortured i mean like what like you know people men get women do too but i mean like more probably more men because they're serving more in the military not that women don't but certainly in the time when they were getting captured.

So if you're giving birth, it's painful,

but it's a positive experience.

You're giving life.

Sure.

I don't see a lot of people comparing those two specifically, though.

Childbirth and torture.

Well, it begs it because if you're going to defend the idea that there's nothing more painful than childbirth, then I'm going to throw in torture. I see.
Okay, we're just going all the way to the extreme. I understand.
Well, I mean, if you're saying it's the most, then I got to go to, how else do I argue that? Am I wrong? I don't know. Well, I don't know if you're wrong, but I just think that's an extreme scenario.
But I'm not apples to oranges. I mean, you know, pain is pain.
Pain is pain, and I'm sure you've had a lot of it. I've had enough.
I actually was telling someone just now that I've had just enough to keep me in check, but not make me quit what I do. Well, but you're not still doing what you did when you were 25.
Not on that level, but I'm still doing it to a certain degree, yes. To a degree that could...
Yeah, most people would consider it reckless, yeah. So you're like the Mike Tyson of...
Oh, maybe. Your sport.
How old is he now? 60, and he's fighting again. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, well, at least I got a few more good years. But are you in competition at 50? No, I mean, sometimes they have a legends category of competition.
Right. And I get into those once in a while.
But honestly, there's so many outlets now in terms of if you're, if you are a pro skater, you are a pro skater, you have social media, you have all these other ways to be out there. Sure.
That you don't have to compete anymore. But.
In my day, you had to compete to get recognized or get any sort of success. Also competition is your drug.
Um, I would say it, it was, it was my incentive for sure. But my big directive all through the years was just learning new tricks.
And so the competition was incidental to that.

In fact, sometimes that got in the way of progression to me

because I had to skate in this sort of conservative way

to compete, couldn't take many chances.

Interesting.

And then when the competition was over,

I was on the ramp the next day trying to learn tricks.

So when did that change when they recognized instead of squelched what you were good at? Um, that's a good question. I mean, I got a lot of flack through the years just because my style was weird.
I was mostly focused on tricks. And so I didn't look like I was flowing.
I didn't have a lot of height because I was small. Um, I think it was probably honestly, not until maybe my second decade of skating, but I got more respect for my skills.
Yeah. But I mean, as someone who's not a great follower of it, like you're the name I know you're from my my view as not one of those on the inside, it wouldn't take me two seconds if it was a word association.
Okay. And they said your name or skateboarding.
Well, thank you. Well, I don't think that's the majority of the country.
I think that stems also from our video game success.

A lot of that.

Especially in terms of non-skers. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought it was more that you were

this innovator of a way

of doing it that leveled it up.

That took it to a different level.

I'm honored if that's the narrative.

Am I wrong? I definitely

created a different way of doing it.

Mostly out of desperation. Because I was so

small that I couldn't figure out how to do the aerial maneuvers that I saw these bigger kids doing, like these men doing. And I created a technique of doing it that required less strength, if that makes sense.
Yeah. And then that allowed me to finally get airborne like I wanted to, and that became the sort of standardized way to do it going forward.
I'm just saying that sometimes somebody, it's rare, but somebody in a sport will do something, and it makes the sport a different, it takes you to a different kind of place. I mean, Babe Ruth is the great example because, I mean, before that, you know, nobody hit a lot of home runs.
It was a rare thing. That's not how you scored.
I think one year, Ty Cobb led the league with nine. Right.
It was more like a triple. And then he, you know, bombed, you know, 59 and 60.
That was, that was you know and just change you got a way to do it without running the bases yeah when i see the footage of him he's not as fat as they make it in but no no i wasn't saying i'm just saying like it was just fat but but in his eyes it, well, this is the way I get a score. It just shows you.

It's not always about the body.

Right.

And that was a bad body.

That was like a dad bod plus.

Yeah.

A dad bod.

And he was drunk.

I mean, this guy could eat a home run drunk eating a pork chop.

Yeah.

He probably did several times.

Sometimes with one hand.

I mean, he was a badass.

He was fascinating.

I thought that movie was good, too.

We'll be right back. He probably did several times, sometimes with one hand.
I mean, he was a badass.

He was fascinating.

I thought that movie was good, too.

Which movie?

John Goodman?

John Goodman, that's right.

I remember that.

He was perfect to play him.

He was, yeah.

Well, cheers.

Thanks for having me.

Pleasure.

Although, there are people, and I may be one of them, who think Blaberth very well may be at least half black. Hmm.
If you look at him, his features, it's just not out of the question. That the greatest player in the sport that worked desperately hard to keep the black people out of the sport was himself.
It could be. I don't know.
But his background is a little murky. Yeah, for sure.
Orphanage. Right.
But that would make him even more of a towering figure. It would be like if they knew that.
Jack Johnson, who was also like an amazing badass. Jackie Robinson, of course.
I mean, your sport is not like diversity crazy, is it? Oh, it is, yeah, absolutely, yeah. So who are the best people now? Oh, so many, wow.
Some of the best skaters from Japan. You keep up with the kids, the younger kids, you talk to them, you mentor them, you're like, they must see you as me.
If they want my help, I don't actively seek it. I don't want to impose anything on them, but if they ask me any advice, I'm happy to give it.
My style of skating is more the half pipe, the ramp kind of skating, whereas the more popular discipline of skating is street, which is just out in the wild, skating the rails and the ledges. And I did a little bit of that, but at some point I realized I'm not moving the needle doing this, and my ankles hurt from doing it so much.
They do. And I like flying.
So I just went back to skating the ramps, and that's kind of where I've been. Do you have injuries now that you still are dealing with? Yeah, i i would say the biggest one the most chronic one is is my neck because i just had so many whiplashes through my life um but actually got i got stem cells a couple months ago for my neck and i am just now feeling the positive effects of it oh good yeah but even after the first time that happened you didn't make deter you.
I mean, the first time I got hurt, I was 11. I got a concussion, knocked on my front teeth, and I literally woke up in the ambulance.
And my first thought was not, oh my God, what have I done? My first thought was, why did I fall on that trick and how can I do it better? And I think that was probably a defining moment in my career. What do you attribute this inordinate amount of drive and ambition? Stubbornness.
More obsessive. Yeah.
I mean, it definitely determined. My mom used to always say I was determined.

That was her way of speaking nicely when her friends were like, your son's a terror. And your kids take after you? In various ways, yeah.
Yeah. The same kind of drive? Yeah.
Really? Yeah, in different ways for sure. I say a couple of them maybe more um more than me and and against their own health you know against their own well-being um and then others are very talented but but not as eager to push the limits and then some kind of you know my My oldest son is a pro skater.
Oh. Yeah.
Well, there you go. Yeah.
Most people who talk to me about their kids are always complaining that they're too woke and they drive them crazy with their... Is that, you find that problem with your kids? You find them to be always correcting you? No, I mean, I've definitely seen the shift of attitudes and the generation, you know, because we do have varying ages.
And I see how even my oldest is more steeped in this attitude or whatever from his early days in the 90s and the 2000s. And then the younger ones are definitely more aware of everything else and pronouns and things like that.
So I feel like we see the full spectrum of it. And my wife and I are pretty loose.
We just roll with know, we just roll with it. We're not trying to impose any sort of values in that way on them.
No, it's them trying to impose it on you. They don't for us, no.
They don't try to shame you? No, but like I said, we're very, I would say we're more understanding in that way.

We're not, because my wife and I both had, you know, we had parents.

My dad was in World War II.

Mine too.

Yeah.

And so he was much older when I was born.

But he and my mom, children of depression, they were just, this is how it is.

That's right.

Yeah.

So I tried to be a little more over-minded than that.

There's got to be a middle ground.

There has... depression they were just this is how it is that's right yeah so i tried to be a little more

minded than that there's got to be a middle ground there i believe so yes i mean what they call today they call it gentle parenting yeah we're not we're not that it's i will tell you we're not that we're children in the 70s we're not gentle parenting yeah right at some point you got to hear hard nose. Right.
But no corporal punishment. No, no, no.
Never hit a kid? No, no. Were you hit as a kid? I was not.
Never was spanked? No. Really? I think my dad had a pretty abusive background, and he was very adamant to not keep that going, that cycle.
Maybe that's why you want so much pain now. You missed it in childhood.
Well, I had plenty in my childhood. I mean, I started skating at age 10.
I got spanked. Yeah.
Not often. Right.
But it was like the nuclear option. Right.
That, to me, is the correct policy for corporal punishment. Of course, you put it in the hands of sadists and stupid people and drunks and drug addicts, but that's true of everything with a child.
If a child is living with a psycho of some kind, it's going to be horrible. And it's probably going to manifest in some sort of physical violence as well, and that's horrible.
But that doesn't mean you need to proscribe this for the majority of people who, you know, kids are little fucking monsters. They're feral.
You have to educate them to be decent humans. It's not innate.
No, you definitely, yeah, but you can teach them to make good choices, I think, without physically abusing them. I think that what you're saying— I don't think it's abusing them.
But I understand what you're saying. Spanking is not an abuse of it.
But I think your experience or whatever is more of an exception to the rule when you think about people who are regularly spanking or hitting their kids. Not in my generation.
My generation, everybody got spanked. In fact, I mean, it's hysterical.
I did actually, I got hit in school once. Oh, and then there were the nuns.
Yeah, well, I wasn't going to Catholic school, but. Yeah, no, I got hit with a ruler by nuns.
Like, I wouldn't go to, I went to. I got hit with the equivalent of a phone book.
Catech and they had a ruler I guess it was just why you would carry a ruler I think only for that purpose we weren't measuring things it was definitely the whipping stick the whipping stick and it was on the knuckles and you know it smarted and I don't think that's the worst thing to do to a kid. And look, I mean...
It smarted. That was the perfect generational term for that.
It absolutely did. Oh, that smarts.
And that's why the kids did, I have no smarts. Good night, everyone.
But it is, I do think it's connected. I think you have, I mean, kids need boundaries.
They need discipline. They're not getting it.
That's why they've gone insane. Well, okay, but having a lot of kids and you have none, I think it's easier for you to generalize that.
Well, I mean, we can look at it two ways. You're too close to it and I'm too far to it.
You see your kids and when people look at their own kids, it's very hard for them to see flaws. Their kids are...
Oh, I'm not saying they're not flawed. I have no way that I say that.
And I never would, nor would they. Right, of course.
But I mean, parents, it's hard to be objective about your own kids. Maybe you're, I'm sure you're right, you're not in this category, but lots of parents.
And this is one of the big problems with parenting and all the problems it causes down the road for all of us in society is that parents don't give their kids boundaries. They don't say no.
They don't say no. Exactly.
Yeah, I agree with you there. They take the path of least resistance.

And also just the idea that you have to complement everything. Right.
For jobs that are expected. Oh.
That's the rub for me. You know what the result of that is? It's like you grew up like that, and I see it in society.
Like every people now that the younger two generations expect to be complimented for just ordinary things. I got this, um, this exercise machine, I won't say the company, but you know, and it comes with, you know, an app on your phone and you connect that to the TV and then you, you basically there's a trainer many many programs and i couldn't i did this for a few months i just couldn't take it anymore because the trainers it's not what they're telling me to do it's that every five seconds they have to tell me i'm doing great killing it you're a warrior yeah yeah just shut the fuck up and tell me what to pick up i mean i i want to say that's part that was part of you know my my dad was very rare with compliments and so when i was doing you know skating and stuff it wasn't that i was doing it to impress him but but definitely there was a part of me that was like absolutely i remember my remember my father once looking at my report card, and it was like all A's

except like one B, which was in like science or something, and he just went, hmm, had some

tough tests in science this term.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just like a little dig.

I know, yeah.

And it's like, just enough to make me want to get his approval even more next time, which I don't think is the worst thing in the world, because I probably did do better next time. I mean, we could have used a little encouragement.
Absolutely. I mean, that generation, which apparently is both our parents' generation, the World War II generation, the Depression and the war.
I mean, these motherfuckers were hard yeah these kids that they think they're they don't even know the meaning of it hard they were hardened by yeah i mean my mom was trying to raise four kids she's working oh you know my dad is in the navy it was it was uh definitely not easy i i've i've recently found something she wrote she passed away but um where she was talking about her life. She's like, my life is generally good.
We could have used a little more money in the coffer. You know what's one thing that nobody in the first half of the 1940s ever said to each other? What are you doing these days? Yeah, working.
The war. Yeah.
We're all doing the war. Okay, we're all involved with the war.
We're fighting. We're fighting.
Either on the home front. To stay alive.
We're just all in this. Or fighting the enemy.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah.
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Because you are very political. It seems like you slip and slide on every question.
I wouldn't say slip and slide. Look at that.
I wouldn't say slip and slide. What I would say is...
I'm definitely hardened in my vagueness. That's a great phrase.
That's a book title. Hardened in my vagueness.
I'm going to steal that. That's genius.
I think I just experienced so many walks of life, and I've experienced so... What do you mean walks of life? Just in terms of skateboarding, so many people that chose to skateboard were outcasts and misfits and had really difficult backgrounds, and so I just grew up around all that, so I came to be much more understanding.
I remember doing this joke about... Oh, it's probably in my book, which...
Oh, wow, did someone drop that there? Yeah, somebody just dropped this here.

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But there's one in there about,

we're talking about cultural appropriation,

and they were doing it with sports.

And they got mad last Olympics with surfing

because it was cultural appropriation from Hawaii.

Oh, yeah.

Is yours sworn in the Olympics?

Yes.

See?

As of last in Tokyo.

Right.

That's congratulations.

Yeah, it is a big deal.

Well, you probably...

And Paris this year.

You did that probably more than anyone.

Oh, I appreciate it.

Yeah.

Anyway, so we were talking about how... It's so ridiculous.
First of all, surfing, like, how do we know where it started? The idea of standing on a board in the water. I mean, it's pretty well documented that it was Hawaii, but I do feel like they honor Hawaii in that.
There was millions of islands around there. Like, that never thought thought of that even if they did so the fuck what why is it wrong oh no i didn't say it was wrong but this is what they were saying it's called okay yeah i don't i don't agree with that there's a hardened opinion i don't agree with that how's that that it's not appropriation okay so we do agree though right okay yeah i mean it's right i mean it's standing on the board in the water.
I mean, it's just fun in the ocean. Okay, so...
But then, like, badminton came from France, I think. Or maybe tennis.
Sure. You don't know that? I don't know.
I think tennis came from France. And maybe bad...
Skiing came from Norway. Um, judo came from Korea, uh, or, or taekwondo came from Korea.
Um, judo came from the far East and skateboarding came from the far out. Wow.
That was the joke. Which I always thought was pretty cute but to your point like it always seemed like a place for misfits yes absolutely it was our it was where we belonged yeah yeah as opposed to like picking up a guitar you did Yeah, but I think there was a sense of community in skateboarding.
Here's how I felt. I played basketball and baseball, and I was okay.
I never felt like I was making measured progress in any of those. And then every time I skated, I got better at it.
So at some point, I thought, this is what I love doing, because I love love the freedom of it and I love that I always improve what I'm doing. And then I found this community of people that were supportive but also were understanding and it was an individual pursuit.
It was more like, this is more like an art form as much as a sport. Almost like ballet.
Sure, but with... Or not, you don't have to humor me on that.
I mean... Because ballet is athletic.
Yeah. As well as an art form.
It's a little like... But the idea that skateboarding was highly competitive.
I mean, I guess ballet is highly competitive in terms of your trying out for roles and stuff, but I'm talking about like, there were these competitions where you were getting judged and you wanted to do well so you could get recognized to move forward.

But what I found was just this group of people that were so creative and supportive, yet motivated.

And they listened to weird music.

They dressed weird.

They had crazy haircuts.

And I loved it.

Thank you. yet motivated.
And they, you know, they listened to weird music.

They dressed weird.

They had crazy haircuts. And I loved it.

And I felt like this is, these are my people.

And so when I had any modicum of success,

the first thing I wanted to do was provide those facilities

for kids who are disenfranchised and people,

kids who choose skateboarding,

but don't have anywhere to go to do it. So you were rebelling against your stern father.
He was actually very supportive of skateboarding. He was.
He was, yeah. From the beginning? From the beginning, yeah.
Because he saw what it provided me. And also, I mean, let's put it this way.
The year I chose to go all in on skateboarding was the same year they appointed him Little League president in our area. And he was okay with me quitting Little League in that year, which was an awkward conversation.
What, because he was so invested in you being a baseball player? Well, the only reason he's in the part of Little'm, I'm on a team. Right.
And I quit.

So he had to finish out the year without one,

any of his kids in little league.

Right.

Yeah.

That's,

that is embarrassing.

And,

and I would be at the skate park.

So,

I mean,

but he was,

but he was,

like I said,

he was totally supportive and he actually helped to form one of the only

sanctioning bodies at the time for competition, because he saw that there was just no organization in skating. It was just such a Wild West.
So you were famous by what age? I guess that depends on how you define fame. Right.
It's always shifting. That's true.
I was known in the skateboard community for sure by the time I was 15 or 16. And in the wider community? Like, when would I? So in the 80s, skating was kind of big.
I feel like I knew who you were in the 80s. Yeah, and I was doing really well in competition.
So if anyone was looking at skateboarding, they might have seen my name because I was winning a lot of events. And did it make you popular? Mid to late 80s.
Like with girls? Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, it was a weird time because there weren't a lot of girls. Yeah, there must be skateboarding groupies.
More so now. More so now? Yeah.
Because skating is really considered cool now. You feel cheated by that? What's that? Do you feel cheated by that? No.
Are you bitter? No. Come on.
I'm okay. I'm okay.
I've lived many lifetimes. How is a skateboarding group be like different than, say, the Motley Crue group be? I don't, I haven't met both, so I don't really know.
Well, I'll get Tommy Lee over here. Well, now skateboarding is much more diverse.

I mean, there are equal events,

and there's parody and prize money, men and women,

so Krube is a tough term.

But I would say that if you say that you're a pro skateboarder now,

that has much more merit than when I said I was a pro skateboarder in 1984.

Really?

Because if you said you're a pro skateboarder in 1984. Really? Because if you said you're pro skateboarder in 1984,

they're like, you still skateboard at your age?

And I was 16.

Right.

It was a kid's thing.

It was a kid's thing.

Right.

Yeah, so it was more like it wasn't the best in to meet girls.

Wow.

Huh.

And then when there was sort of a little bit more hype in like 1988-ish, then it was more like, oh, hey, that's cool. You're professional.
Wow, you travel the world. Well, you got married young, right? I did, yeah.
How old? I was 24. Okay.
So when you get married at 24, what are you thinking? uh well i was starting a family i mean it was you know it was all kind of happening quite it didn't last that way but um it was more just i was i was kind of a disaster so you know i thought i was getting grounded in my chaotic lifestyle of skating because skating was taking me all over the world. And it was kind of frantic.
You know, it was like, it was, it was a strange, it was a strange space to be in because no one had really done it yet, made a career like that. And we were sort of forging the way.
So we didn't really even know what we were doing. But that's exciting, isn't it? It i mean to me it was crazy i mean i i never expected to leave san diego and all of a sudden i was in japan for oh two weeks i was in australia for a month i was in europe for two months you know it was like i i didn't it wasn't like when people pick up the guitar and like i'm gonna travel the world and i'm gonna play it was I picked up a skateboard because I loved doing it.
I had no idea that it was going to take me around the world or make any money ever. It was kind of wild.
What about drugs? Is it like Lance Armstrong and the doping scandal? That there was steroids? No. They're not do to...
I've never seen anyone that was doing that that was... I don't know.
I feel like that just doesn't give you an advantage. You never were...
Really? No, yeah. I mean, at some point, you've got to be...
Hand-eye coordination and quickness. You've got to be flexible, too, though.
Why would that make you unflexible? I don't know. It just feels like if you're on steroids, it's more for the actual power in the muscles.
Okay, but like... I don't think it's an advantage.
When baseball was going through its steroid period, you remember that? Sure. Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds, they were all hitting 70s.
Right, but that's what I mean. Skateboarding isn't about the...
But why did they hit... What was the connection between why those balls were flying out and the steroids? I think it's hand-eye coordination.
Not the strength or the power behind it? Yes, that too. But I think what really makes the ball fly out of the yard is how fast you hit it.

Yeah, I just, I don't know.

I mean, there might be an example of someone that was juicing and skateboarding and that was doing well,

but I don't know anything about that.

Like, I've never seen anyone do it.

I've never thought they should have even been prosecuted because everything changes in sports over time.

I mean, Babe ruth didn't have to

face black players um really you know in his era he didn't have to play night games

um he had a high batting average because they wore little mitts you know i mean everything so

the fact that they were you know juicing at a certain point i mean but so were the pitchers

roger clemens yeah well i mean that's the whole thing with lance armstrong i was like wasn't that

I don't know, like, yeah, that's wild. He sat here and he told me how he did it.
He said, every drug test I took, it was a real drug test. It wasn't somebody else's pee.
It's just that I knew how to get stuff that left your body in four hours. Yeah, I mean, that was it.
It was like, don't hit the player, hit the game. That's why I think the Lance Armstrong story is a great story.
Yeah, it's fascinating. Because it's a great American story because America wanted him to be the champion.
Right. And he did what we wanted.
He got to be the champion by doing something that everybody else was doing. And then, you know, he was history's greatest monster when he lied about it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was, by his own admission, kind of an asshole about it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And was, like, very driven.
You know, you seem like the nice version. Not that he's a bad guy.
Yeah, but also, when you talk about skating, like, I just don't think anything is going to give you an advantage. I know plenty of skaters that smoked a lot of weed.
Really? Weed? That's ridiculous. Yeah well what's that doesn't do anything for you but um yeah that that that i associate with skating like almost to the point where you could do a joke and i think i probably have and i think i may have just done one intimating the connection between weed oh yeah i mean it's well I agree with you that there's definitely the stereotype.
And to some extent, especially in the 80s, that was on point. But I feel like now skating is so much more diverse and there's so many people.
And now it's in the Olympics. So people are very serious, but they're working out.
Like, they're sponsored by Nike. They have those resources.
You never were baked when you skated? No, no. I smoked weed a little bit when I was younger, and it really affected my skating negatively.
And I was so hyper-fixated on skating that it was like, I can't do that because this is what I have. This is what I do.
No, I can see that. I mean, I can see how it would be bad.
I've played basketball stoned, and I can be pretty good stoned. Sometimes I think even better, but not drunk.
I tried that a couple. That really threw my game off.
I learned my lesson the hardest way, drinking and skating. I was skating at a party.
Basically, I didn't realize it was before raves were raves, and it was just this random warehouse party way outside of a city in New Zealand. You were hired to do this or you were just having no we were there on tour and they said hey there's this big warehouse party you guys should go and they have a mini ramp like yeah sweet let's go and so we went and somewhere somewhere around 1 or 2 a.m they said last call last call let's go drink and so we went and pounded a few beers went back to the mini ramp i dropped in and hit the other.
Like, as if it was just a wall, not a ramp or a slope. And that was uncharacteristic.
Very much so. That was my lesson.
I was like, oh, I don't, I can't drink and skate. Is that on film? No, thankfully.
Are you sure? We're talking about like 1990, 91? What about doing a reenactment?

I do that enough on accidents.

Did you ever think you were going to die doing that?

No.

No?

You ever thought, oh, I just fucking,

like while you were midair. I had some bad concussions, bad accidents.

And for sure, in hindsight,

oh, that was extremely dangerous and life-threatening. What's that? You've had concussions.
accidents and for sure in hindsight oh that was extremely dangerous what's that you've had concussions yeah several yeah what's that like it sucks because you wake up and you you wake up elsewhere and you at first don't remember what happened you're completely knocked out oh yeah so you when you come to yeah well there's there's there's sort of a gray period where you have come to but you keep repeating the questions you keep asking what happened and you you don't have you're not cognizant really because i've seen other people go through it so i know what it's like scary what's scary is when you've had enough concussions that you recognize you're concussed and so you're're like, oh, I know this feeling. I must have hit my head.
But also it calms you down because you think, oh, it's going to come back to me. I'm going to get there.
But I've had residual effects. I mean, a couple of times where there was one where there were a couple of weeks where I couldn't really concentrate.
I was trying to edit videos. I just couldn't make sense of it.
So I'm very cognizant of that. I'm very, you know, I'm aware of the risks, and I've definitely been proactive in studying it.
Are there lingering effects? I mean, like, no? So like a day later, you're not like... Not now.
Peeing in the hamper and throwing your clothes in the toilet?

No, no, no.

Not now, no.

I mean, I definitely had, like I told you that one,

I had another one where I had recurring migraines for a couple weeks.

But that's what they worry about in football, CT.

Of course, yeah.

And like I said, I've been proactive in sort of getting tested

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Come out and laugh your ass off. So what do you do for fun when you're not risking your life? I just stay home.
I just try to stay home. What's at home? Your wife? My wife, we have one still at home.
My daughter's 15. So this is wife number three? Yeah, four.
Four? Yeah. Oh, come on, man.
But I mean, we're on 10 years. I finally figured it out.
What is different about the four that you didn't know? Well, one is that we are absolutely perfect for each other. No question.
That helps. Two is that I finally did a lot of work on myself and sort of figured out how to be happy, centered, content.
And honestly, to like what I was doing, to like myself, because I was skating, but I just didn't really... At some point, I was so...
You grew up and matured, absolutely. Aging sucks.
We all know that, but it's also fucking great because you're just different in your fifties and sixties. You're comfortable in your skin.
You know exactly who you are. This is the best version I've been for sure.
Me too. I mean, so it's a, it's a cruel joke that the God I don't believe in.
No, but I do. I feel like, especially with my wife, like, you know, we are older.
We're both, you know, she's only a year younger than me, but I feel like we are in our best years. Like, it's amazing.
I always think of that when somebody great croaks, like, wow, like so much that you put into a life to gather all this wisdom and knowledge and sensitivity and all these good things and then you know that's the time you would want to preserve it right and that's when your body's starting to fail you right and that's when it goes you know yeah i mean i i'm i'm definitely uh hanging on hanging on to that to what youth i have especially with. But I feel you, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I'm an only, it's only about tomorrow person. Like, memories, sad memories, memories of things that were bad and sad, they don't make me sad.
They make me happy because they're over. They're over, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But good memories make me sad because good memories are things that are also over. And fleeting.
And fleeting. Yeah.
And in many ways, irrecuperable. Oh, absolutely.
Yeah. But the future is still the future.
No matter how old you are, tomorrow is still. Oh, no.
And I feel like we're creating incredible memories now because we have that much appreciation and we have all of that experience to understand why we should appreciate it that much more. No, I mean, I love life now.
It's way more fun than it's ever been so the fourth wife is the lucky one

she's the one that got the good version well but but also she was the catalyst ah for that yeah do you ever feel bad about past wives past relationships um i you know i wait let me finish the question okay Okay. Feel bad because you learn something on a later person that you didn't know when you were with the earlier person, and you're like, yeah, I would have gone better for her and me and you if I had known that then, but I didn't learn it until Susie.
But I feel bad because I should have known it when I was with Sally, but I didn't. And so she suffered.
I don't think I get that introspective on it. No, I feel that all the time.
I feel like, oh, yeah, if I hadn't been such a dipshit. I mean, I feel like I could say that through so many points in my life, not just with relationships.
So you think it's as ridiculous as I do when people say, I have no regrets? Oh, yeah. Well, that just seems like you're not accountable for anything.
It seems to me like you're not sentient.

I mean, how can you not have regrets?

Every day I have a regret,

even if it's just the most minor ones.

It's like, I never had a perfect day.

I dropped out of perfect call.

My day was perfect.

I was in court.

I didn't say a word.

I always wonder what a perfect call sounded like.

I wonder if you hang out and go,

that was a perfect call.

It's such a testament to his insanity to even come up with that concept. I mean, it's just not a phrase that you've ever heard anyone else say.
A perfect call. Perfect.
A phone call. Perfect.
Like, no one else in the universe ever put those two things together. A perfect and a phone call.
It just doesn't happen except in the mind of an insane person. That's what people miss about him.
He's stupid, of course, but also insane. That is insane.
That is a level of insanity of our next, of our past and future president. But I don't want to drag you into politics.
And, um, I did, you know, I did politically correct? Oh, I remember. remember yeah you remember the sign sure yeah yeah i saw it yeah yeah isn't that awesome that i fucking saved that all these years pretty cool doesn't it look like a cool thing in front of a stripper pole yeah that's perfect i mean come on man uh yeah i remember again 90s but that's why i'm saying we obviously, I was obviously aware of you then.
And you obviously had risen to the level where you were on talk shows. Yeah.
I don't know if I was quite prepared or qualified to be on Politically Incorrect, but I was stoked. There were no qualifications.
That was the point of the show. Yeah, that was the idea.

The point was to put together four people who, you know, were.

But I always thought that was a great name because of the Chiron, of course, that were, you know, senator, you know, actress, skateboarder.

It's like, perfect.

This is what I'm trying to do, create this train wreck of mismatched people.

And do you remember who you were on with? No, I don't. I remember I tried to get a few words in edgewise, and I just, it didn't land.
Somebody was drowning you out? Yeah. Could have been Pauly Shore.
It was not Pauly Shore. I would have remembered that for sure.
Really? I feel like I would have been, like, I had a little chum with him. But, I mean, when you do see stuff, you know, from the 90s, occasionally they'll rerun something somewhere or something.
I mean, it does look like the land that time forgot. Oh, yeah.
The hair, there's a certain kind of, I think it was Armani-influenced suit that men were wearing. The thin leather jackets.
That, too. I mean, it wasn't as horrific as the 80s with the hot pink and the hot ice blue.
But there is a kind of a look, and the ties are, you know, if you see a movie from the 90s, and it's like, wow, that should be recent. And it's it's a i mean that was that show went on 31 years ago right i mean 31 years is you know that's that's a lot of taped conversation that's a chunk of time i know i i don't know where it goes or of course you can't't get it back.
But what would you tell your, like, if you have one thing to tell your young self from your old self, what would you tell them? What would save you the most pain that you could say to a person? uh if you find yourself shooting a tv show for MTV, two of the jackass cast, and you're dressed in a monkey suit, don't try to do a full loop.

That's what I would tell my younger self.

Much more specific than I thought.

Yeah, it's very specific, yeah, because I ended up with a broken pelvis, fractured skull, broken thumb, and a lot of pain. So what show was this for? Wild Boys.
Wild Boys. Yeah.
That was on MTV? Yeah, that was one of the offshoots of Jackass. So it was when Steve-O and Chris Pontius did their own thing with mostly, like, animals, wild animals.
Okay. You know, I mean, the Steve-O guy was taking shots at me in the press recently.
Oh, yeah, that was unfortunate. It was not unfortunate.
Unfortunate as Darfur. This was just, I mean, look, I don't want to start a feud, and I'm sorry that he felt slighted or something, but it is ridiculous that somebody thinks that I should give up pot smoking because they have a problem, then I'm sorry you can't be here.
And, you know. Well, it's your show.
It's my show, my house, my rules, and it's sort of almost the point of the show, is that this, I already have another show, it's called Real Time, it's on HBO, and it's very much not on pot. It's on point.
This is different. This is just shooting the shit.
And this is how I shoot the shit. This is an attempt to get conversation as real as it ever is, just like if we were doing this, and I don't see anything that we've said that I wouldn't have just said to you if there were no cameras here.
And you don't even

know where the cameras are. Okay, so let's remember that.
But, you know, that's what it is. And

oh, I mean, I have no feud with any of these jackass. I've watched all the movies.
They are

funny. I mean, I'm not going to lie.

I do like that kind of,

even though I know it's coming,

like a physical gag like that,

it's just as funny. Well, so much of it is,

I was actually talking about this.

I just did,

we have a podcast,

Hawk vs. Wolf.

I know you do.

And we just interviewed Jeff Tremaine today,

the director of Jackass.

And we were talking about

how a lot of the skits

that became Jackass

This is the first time I'm going to be able to do this. we just interviewed Jeff Tremaine today, the director of Jackass.
And we were talking about how a lot of the skits that became Jackass iconic moments were just things that were filler for skate videos. I mean, all that stuff was like, there would be skate videos, you'd have just sort of weird segues in between the skating segments, which were just kind of jackass type stunts.

Right.

And that's how they started.

That really is how they started.

It was they had a Big Brother magazine,

was a sort of irreverent skate magazine that was uncensored,

that was just raw and funny.

That's where Knoxville did his review of self-defense devices.

Okay. And where he shot himself.
I don't know if you ever saw that, but that was for a skate magazine. And so they made a video of it.
And then we were talking about how this just was skating sensibilities turned into a whole show. But what you were doing, you were not trying to hurt yourself.
Not at all. I mean, there's a very big difference.
But we knew the humor in it.

I see the Venn diagram overlap between what you do and Jackass.

I think there's a huge difference.

I just said skate sensibilities.

I'm just talking about the idea that you're willing to risk yourself for it.

Yes, but you're doing it, again, to perform this ballet.

They're not doing it for that reason.

Just take the compliment because it is in your favor.

Oh, I'm a fan.

I'm a fan. I love it.
Look, I can say I love laughing and that shit gets, I mean, that's a great, just a laugh a thought. Most of it, some of it, if it's gross or something, I mean, I can also hate it, but it's, look, they gave me laughs.
I like anyone who gives me laughs. But it also does remind me that, you know, show business, you got to love it.
And one thing about it is if you really insist on being in show business, you can be. You can find a way.
It won't be dignified. Yes.
You know, it's the old joke about the guy who shovels the shit behind the elephant at the circus. Yeah, leave your dignity at the door.
You know, what, and leave show business? Yeah. And some people just insist on being in show business.
And God bless them. Yeah.
You know, you made it work for you at a price I don't think is worth it. But if that's the only way you were going to get into the business, I mean, you work with what you got.
You work with the hand you're dealt. But I do think that they had a, they were creative in this Buster Keaton sort of way.
And yeah, they were willing to destroy themselves for the sake of comedy, but there was so, it was so funny. I mean, we're just talking about, I don't know if you'd see the bungee thing with Preston and, and Wee Man where Preston is the bigger guy.
Wee Man is the little guy and Preston stood on a bridge and he was bungeed to Wee Man who jumped off the bridge. And that in itself was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
No, it is funny. It damn well better be when you give up your kidney.
True. Or your urethra as Johnny Knoxville knows.
I mean, I've given up dignity for sure on stage. I mean, when you're standing there opening for a you know, a rock band, which I've done, and they're literally throwing shit at you to get off the stage and you're dodging stuff while you're telling jokes, you do not have a shred of dignity.
I'll admit that. I mean, I've been there.
And pay your dues. Yes.
And just, or by my own stupid fault, like, you know, turning off a crowd. I mean, this is 40 years ago, but, you know, still.
And so, like, no matter what I said, just, they were like, look like when your girlfriend's pissed at you. You know, just a look on their face like, you think I'm going to laugh at you now? Yeah.
After what you just said? So, I mean, but that's a lot different than your body true you know you only get one and as we know it's a reclamation project to keep it in top shape oh don't i know it yeah goes by but you generally feel healthy i do i'm actually i kind of turned a corner recently i broke my leg uh two and a half years ago like broke my femur in half doing what you're doing what you love doing what i love yeah um and and being careless with it um and i paid the price i around and found out and uh that recovery was really rough because i got back on my skate bar too soon my bone shifted out alignment. So I had to have a second surgery to put it back in place.
And now I've, I've taken upon myself where I'm, you know, I'm not taking those unnecessary risks anymore. I, I embrace how old I am and that I get to do this at all on any level.
So I've actually kind of reached a more baseline of skating. You've always got a throttle back in it.
Sure. Aging is a...
But I wasn't. I mean, I wasn't until I was 53.
Yeah, it's not going to be exactly the same, and that's okay. That's the...
Well, I mean, I think that's the hard lesson I learned. You make up for it with other...
Through that thing, yeah. You know, it's always a balancing act and a trade-off of, yeah, but I'm also getting better at this.
True. You know, I mean, I'm lucky because what I do is up here, so I can be getting better at 68.
Whereas an athlete, you guys, you know, that candle burns when you're young. Yeah, yeah.
And that's something I'll never, one of the great advantages,

I'll never understand the beauty, the joy.

It's kind of the same with music. Usually flowers only when you're young.

Of certain highs that I think athletes and musicians reach.

But I'm also like doing better at my age than most of them are. certainly athletes.
Yeah. But when you, when you say it's, it's funny because skateboarding, like I said, it's such an art form as much as it is a sport that there are techniques that I now have learned and that I am working on that are better than what I used to do.
They're just not as high impact or as risky. And it's like, I never wanted to zero in on those because they didn't seem as interesting.
And now they are the interesting thing because it's more like, oh, I can't explore this because I still have the skill set. And these things aren't going to kill me.
That itself is interesting. It's really fun.
So I mean, like today, this year, I've learned a new trick that no one had done before. But in 10 10 years? no not in 10 I mean I don't know what kind of if you asked me 10 years ago will you be doing this in 10 years I would have probably said I don't know so Mick Jagger is going on tour at 80 I mean yeah I think 80 is you know that'll be that'll that's it no more McTwist at 80 but then what will you replace it with? no I mean I I think 80s, you know, that'll be a double.
That's it. No more McTwist at 80.

But then what will you replace it with?

No, I mean, I think that I'll replace it with enjoying my children and my children's children.

And more just sort of reveling in that.

But you've already been doing that for decades.

Sure.

Well, I'm saying grandkids.

Grandkids would be great

because then you just you can rile them up and give them back yeah i never had the chip to like

like kids or want to have kids or you know oh yeah you've been very transparent about that

well that sounds like you're rolling down a glove there no no i'm just saying i i know that about

you i watched i'm a fan oh thank you i appreciate that of course yeah I'm just saying, I know that about you. I watched, I'm a fan.
Oh, thank you. I appreciate that.
Of course. Yeah.
I mean. So I'm just saying, I've heard you say it many times.
You're not interested in having kids. You don't like kids.
No, I'm not. Well, I feel like I have to speak that because nobody else will.
And there are, and I speak for so many people in the country, you'll feel that way. Oh, for sure.
And I just, all I'm ever saying about that is that there should be no moral dimension to it. When I started in television, probably when you were first on that show, it was considered kind of like, you're a weirdo if you don't aspire to have children.
Oh, I agree completely. And I know plenty of people that are not interested and that's their choice.
I respect it. Like, of course, you don't have to.
Right. It's not a requirement of being a human.
Right. Exactly.
And it doesn't make you a better or worse person. Yeah.
What makes you a better or worse person, I think, is how you are as a parent. If you're a bad parent, you're a worse person than me.
Because I didn't fuck anybody up. Yeah.
I didn't have anybody. Yeah, you're creating more problems.
But I didn't fuck anybody up either. I didn't have somebody and then shirk my responsibility.
No, I agree with you completely. I, you know, if I had had a kid, I don't think I would have, you know, been there to the degree that a kid needs.
I mean, to a certain degree, you absolutely do have to trade your life for your children's. I mean, that is the priority life now.
You go through your life before you have children, and there's no doubt. Whose life is a priority? Mine.
Now, you fall in love, maybe you'd save your lover before you. Certainly Jack did it in Titanic, although as many people have pointed out, although I was one of the first.
Didn't have to. You could have got on the thing.
She was a little selfish there with the yeah, you know what? I've had a rough day. I really need to stretch out.
But, you know, I just never wanted kids. I didn't want them when I was young.
And they were cruel. Kids are cruel.
I didn't need that. You know, they ostracize you.
They bully you. Like I said, they have to be taught to be decent human beings.
It is not something that comes naturally. Yeah.
And on the flip side of that, like I said, my wife and I, we have many children between us. And the most rewarding thing is when you say many between us.
She has two. I have four.
Oh, I see. That's the six.
Yeah. So it's a blended family.
so you had four biological ones and then oh i see so this is like yours mine and ours absolutely yeah i see yeah and um it's just the most rewarding thing as a parent am i and i'm not in no way am i trying to no no i'm just saying the most rewarding thing as a parent is when you see your kids and they end up becoming young adults or full-blown adults, when you see them make good choices and you know that you had some influence on that. I'm sure that's great.
And at some point, you know, we've come a long way with our relationship and there's been plenty of ups and downs through all of our years. But when we see them all together and we see them talking, conversing, joking.
Sure. You know, that's what it's about.
And we look at each other and we go, we did it. Look at this.
These are functioning adults, yeah. I obviously can't relate in a direct way, but I get that.
I really do. And I get it for you where it's like, I'm not interested.
It's not my... And there's no danger of you tempting me talking me into this oh no no in no way would i be more likely that i go out there and do a half pipe or i can do a full pile i can do a hash pipe before this would happen but it no it's just it is just personal taste and it's probably again And everything goes back to our first few years of life and what environment plus innateness and what we inherited, our genetics, our DNA, made us this person we are.
And it is amazing to me how that has been so steady throughout my life, the kid thing. Didn't like them when I was one, didn't change in my...
When I was one. When I was one.
Feel that, yeah. Didn't change in my childbearing age and didn't change in my post-childbearing age.
Did you ever date anyone with a kid? Oh, single mothers? Yeah. Yes, of course.
It's funny you say that. I did have a single mother period where I just, I don't know what it was, the universe, although I don't believe in that, but I just was with a lot of single mothers.
I mean, they were like 22. Okay.
You know, I was probably 40. But young kids then? Very young kids who I never met.
Oh, okay, I get it. And never wanted to meet.
And they were fine with that. They were like young mothers who were like, I mean, they, of course, loved their kid, but they were young.
They wanted to have fun. When I came around, it was not about the kid, and we both loved it that way.
I once had an idea, and I

pitched it and could have sold it, except there was a technical problem, I mean, a business problem. I was on a network, and I couldn't do a show for another network, but they wanted to do it, the single mother's beauty pageant.
I wanted to do a beauty pageant. I pitched this, really, And they put the little four-year-old boy in a tuxedo, walking his mother down.
There would not have been a dry eye in the house. I would still do it if anybody's hearing this who wants to do my single mother's beauty pageant.
That sounds like the reboot of Politically Incorrect. This would be even better.
You have to get HBO's permission, and that's going to be tough again. But I think I could knock this out of the park.
I think it's very funny, and I think it tugs at the hearts of Americans because, you know, there was a time when single mothers was not a thing. I mean, you ever watch Mad Men? Sure.
Great show about the, you know, you're a little younger than me, but my youth in the 60s, there were no single mothers. That was not a thing.
We didn't hear about it at school. It wasn't in the neighborhood, you know.
Then it became a big thing. And so there was some judgment, much less now.
But there's so many single mothers.

Now it's almost...

I mean, I grew up in the 70s, so most of my friends, they live with their mom.

That was it.

Is that right?

Yeah.

Yeah, it's amazing, though, the family did really break down from when I was a kid.

I mean, honestly, there was...

Growing up in 60s New Jersey, there was quite a few suicides.

Wow. But no divorce, which tells you something about marriage.
No, really. I walked into that one.
No, it's true. There was like guys in the swimming pool, but not in divorce.
Yeah, that was like much more common, I feel. I remember three of those and no divorce.
And on Mad Men, there was one character who was the divorce lady. And she was, like, shunned.
Like we were the Amish or something, and she was using a radio. I mean, she was, like, lived at the end of the block, and her kid was all fucked up.
The D word. The D word.
Yeah. It's amazing how far this country has come.
But anyway, I'm going to go back to my day job. I'll watch you there.
Yeah, I appreciate that. My wife, she has sleepless nights sometimes and if I hear your voice, I know that she's not sleeping.

Your wife watches me? Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, we both watch it, but a lot of times she'll catch up while I'm asleep.
I love that. Yeah.
Oh. Yeah, so thank you.
Hello, I appreciate that. Absolutely.
Great to meet you. Thanks for lulling me back to sleep every once in a while.
I'll take it. Oh, and I signed this for you.
Oh, wow. Thank you.
I signed it. Great respect to an ultimate champion.
Oh, I appreciate it. Thank you very much.
Yeah. I'm honored.
You're the babe. Thanks for having me.
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