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What a great line.

Yeah, the nightclub shooting where Sean was a- I call it a bathroom misunderstanding. What's up, brother? How are you? Well, nervous as hell.

No, just because I'm not sure if I brought enough firepower, the rifle. I don't want to disappoint you.
No, no, I'm not disappointed. Well, you don't know.
You haven't smoked either. That's what I'm saying.
I don't want to be the lame guy who brought the... But I think this is from my store, The Woods.
Okay. You know The Woods? Yes, I do.
Woody Harrelson. I do.
I do. Woody Harrelson.
You have partners in that store? Yes, I am. Awesome.
Yeah. John McEnroe and I are minority owners like I was with the Mets.
Yeah, yeah. Always a minority owner, but that's good because, you know, you're not in for the downsides.
Well, I have something for you.

Yes?

I have a store as well.

Oh.

I have actually two stores.

Yeah.

One in Bel Air and one in Chatsworth.

Bel Air.

Yes.

Excuse me.

Exhibits West Coast Cannabis.

So look.

So here are.

Okay, well.

Yeah, here are, here's some shirts.

Great.

Yes.

Oh, thank you. Shirts.
And then here's some. Lovely.
Yeah, here's some shirts. Great.
Yes. Oh, thank you.
Shirts. And then here's some.
That's lovely. Yeah, you got some hats in there.
Oh, wow. Yeah.
I will wear this proudly. I will.
Here's some more merch. I think I told you once that I used your.
Yes. You know what I'm talking about? I was actually, somebody sent it to me, and it was the line where you said, in the words of exhibit, I might leave in a body bag but never in cuffs.
Now, for people who don't know what I'm talking about, I was the show that signed behind you, politically incorrect. Yeah.
That show was on for nine years. Yes.
I got canned, which is, you know, oh, my Christ. This is heavy.
That's a lot of weed. That's a lot of weed.
So if we run out of what you brought, then we have plenty. There's a lot.
Well, if we run out of what even just I bought, we'll be dead. Yeah.
Okay. These are from the woods, which is the, I mean, if you've never been to the woods, it's just amazing.

I mean, it's always like a pot store because it's just, it's a pot store in the front, which is as nice as any pot store I've ever seen. And then in the back, it has these, it goes all the way back to the next street on the block, which you don't see from when you walk in.

And back there, it's like a jungle and there's all these cabanas.

It's the best place to, if you want to smoke it where you bought it, there's no place like it. Absolutely.
How is he smoking with Woody Harrison? Well, come on, man. I mean, you know, it's like getting violin lessons from Paganini.
I mean, he's, I mean, you know, I don't know. he's he's sat here and we were we were like literally on the you know like drooling so that's one of my bucket list items woody yeah oh i can arrange that absolutely yeah um all right well let's let's fucking light up let's do it the people who are like, Bill, tell the story about what are you talking about?

Okay, so when I got canned, this is back in the day when you got canceled.

You actually got canceled while they canceled your job.

Absolutely.

And announced it.

Yeah, it wasn't a metaphor.

Yeah.

You're out of a job.

You're fired.

You're canceled.

Yes.

Which is fine.

I had a nine-year run. I loved it.
It actually was a blessing in disguise because I like real-time. It made more sense.
It was good for when I was young and immature, and now I'm old and immature. So, you know, this suits me better.
So I was like, how am I going to leave this nine-year trip I've been on where the show was called Politically Incorrect? And I got fired for doing what I did the whole time, which was speaking my mind. This is right after 9-11.
And, you know, they thought I was with the terrorists. I was just saying they weren't cowards, which you're not when you stick with the suicide mission.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK.
And I wouldn't retract, you know. Sorry if I hurt your feelings.
Right. You know, and I did.
I mean, the country was raw and maybe the timing was whatever. But, you know, that's what the show was.
So I said, what can I say? And I guess I'd been listening to that song a lot at the time. I mean, I'm no expert in rap.
I do. I mean, I love your, I mean, your.
No, Bill, you are, I would say, connected to the culture in a way that is genuine. And look, dude, I watch your show.
I appreciate it. You understand? And I enjoy your takes.
I enjoy the wittiness. And you see the force for the trees and you tell it how it is and i think we miss a lot of that in today's you know perfectly brewed system of stewed shit you know what i'm saying so i think it's dope thank you yeah i think it's dope that you continue on yeah i mean i all the time from people who, you know, basically are saying what you're saying, which is like, it's great to be an ally, but being real is almost, it's not better, but like, it's very important.
Yeah. To be real.
Even if you don't agree. Yeah, yeah.
And know? And so, anyway, I had to find some line, you know, when Neil Armstrong walked on the moon. Now that I'm comparing my leaving politically incorrect with walking on the moon, but he had to, like, come up with a line.
You can't just fucking walk on the moon and go, jeez, that was some shit, huh? You know? Neil Armstrong, who famously said, jeez, that was some shit. No.
So he came up with one with One Small Step for Man. OK, great.
So I was like, but I'm leaving this politically incorrect. And your song.
And I know the whole, I don't know a lot. Yeah, Bitch Please 2 is the Eminem record.
Yes. Yeah.
I'm not Ari Melber. I don't know rap songs like that.
But I do know that one. And I know that whole thing.
I think it starts, well, I can't even sing it. But I'm the head African-American in charge.
The way, man. I watch you move.
You're found dead in your garage with 10 o'clock news coverage. And then it's like, you got to love it.
I've exposed the facade. Your little lungs are too small to hotbox with God.
All jokes aside come bounce with us. Standing open your wooden 12 gauge about to bust.
Like ashes to ashes and dust to dust. I might leave in a body bag, but never in cuts.
And I thought, leave in a body bag, you know, that's the message I want to leave. Standing on your principle.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, you know, whatever shit I said at the time, I may not even agree with all of it now. I mean, 37-year-old me is not, or whatever I was, is not, I'm almost 70.
Right. You know, but mostly, yeah, I'm pretty much the same guy.
Absolutely. And I would do the same thing.
I just found a network, or they found me, or it was lucky we got together, where that was never really going to be an issue again because there were no sponsors. The show never lost its audience.
It just lost the sponsors. Right.
And in commercial TV, you can't survive without sponsors. They pay the bills.
Right, right. So anyway, what did you light up there? What did you put in there? What is in that dropper? I drink it.
I do. I love it.
It's a way to make diet soda without any chemicals. What do you drink? Oh, you don't drink anymore.
Well, I do. What are you having? Coffee coffee.
I know. You don't drink liquor.
Yeah, I do. Oh, you do? Yeah, I just, but, okay, so here's the thing.
So, I'd say maybe eight, nine months ago, I was 268 pounds. Really? You look way down from that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I started eating, you know, clean, getting, going to, you know, getting rest, going to the gym, doing all that stuff.
Just was really not liking what I was seeing. And so now I'm down to 220, and now I'm just drinking when there's a, there's a reason to celebrate.
That, you know what? That's almost exactly what I do. I drink here.
Yeah. And never more than two.
Yeah, for sure. You know, when you're my age, I'm a 70.
Well, I mean, I'm with you, Bill, so I'm going to take a shot eventually. Great.
Yeah. I'm going to take a shot eventually.
Well, let's try this one from the woods. It's Lil Woody's.
Okay. See that Lil Woody's? And it looks like it's a...
What is that, like a four gram, three gram? I don't know those kind of things, but I mean, Woody seems to have signed it. It's very fancy.
I'd almost say gay. So let's light this gay joint.
Have a gay old time. So you got a new record coming out? Yeah, yeah, man.
I haven't put out a record since 2012. So it's important for me to, you know, go into this knowing that I have to reintroduce myself to my fans and people who may not, you know, even know I do music.
around right wow or people that just know me from doing film and tv so um kingmaker is the title of the record and i really feel there's 20 songs on there we've been rolling it out um i partnered with conor mcgregor he started a record label. Conor McGregor? Yes.
I did not see that coming. No one did.
As the kids say, I did not have that on my bingo card. When was the last time anybody played bingo? Yeah, but I think it was attractive to me because we're the first.
There's no level of expectation. He is, you know, there's no real way of...
So he's rapping?

No, he's not rapping. Oh.
Yeah, he just,

you know, he's got a group of people around him that do his investments and whatnot,

and starting a label was something he

really wanted to do. So he ended up,

you know, getting his

group together, pulled the executives in. Oh, a label?

Yeah. And so we came in, we're the first

ones out. I think he signed

Bone Thunks and Harmony. There's like a, there's a diverse in.
We're the first ones out. I think he signed Bone Thugs-N-Harmony.

There's a diverse genre of music on the label.

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, yeah, I remember them.

I lost the lighter already.

No, no, that's not the one.

Oh, yeah, the metal one.

I tell you, kids, don't smoke pot because this is what will happen to you you'll just be two washed up celebrities getting high in there in my basement yeah and i'm telling you oh here it is right in front of my fucking face so so that was con that's on conor mcgregor's bucket list greenback records start a record label yeah throw a chair through a bus start a record label that's a bad boy yeah i mean no i don't dislike him i i i just what you know i mean he's just a he's just a badass he's him he's unapologetically and i think, he's, you know, whether you love him or hate him, he shoots over people's heads. And I think that's what we needed to kind of get past the algorithm of, you know, ageism is in hip hop.
You get past a certain age and then they tell you you don't belong. It's everywhere.
Right. But especially music.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Music is like, you know, especially in hip hop.
And, you know, they say, they describe it as a young man's sport, but we're the first of our kind. Hip hop just turned, you know, 50 some years old.
So now, I know. You know, and so we're now crossing this threshold from the last shift change was going from cassette and vinyl into CDs and now streams.
And so we've transcended into this new age, and we're the first to actually experience this. So now it's time to figure out where do we land? What do we rap about? What do we talk about? I don't talk about any of the things that I've been doing in my 20s, so I have to make it so that it's comfortable in my skin.
Oh, I mean, they go through people's old tweets. You're very fortunate that they don't go through people's old rap.
I'm just going to say there are some advantages, my friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sometimes you draw. They will.
They will. They could.

And it wouldn't be hard to find.

No.

Things that are just so misogynistic. Yeah, you can't say that shit now.

I mean, Bitch Please.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Choke Me, Spate Me, Pull My Hair.

Like, that's one of my biggest songs.

And that's the title.

Yeah, that's the title.

I know.

But I'm saying, Bitch Please, You Must Have a Mental have a mental disease yeah assume the position and get back down your knees get back down yeah yeah yeah not not bad enough that just it's like she got up to get a glass of water and that pissed you off uh yeah that would not win now's man of the year. It didn't age well.
Really, but you know what? I make this case all the time. There's an author who wrote a book about it.
He calls it presentism. It means you don't judge people by the mores of the past because people were always just different.
Right. You're not better.
You just came later. Yes.
You're not better than George Washington. Yeah.
Everybody had slaves in that era, including people of color in other parts of the world. Correct.
They did it too. They had this big argument going.
They say, well, schools aren't teaching slavery. I don't know.
I grew up in New Jersey. Right.
We did in New Jersey. Right.
Even in the 60s. Right.
You know, it wasn't like the 1619 Project where it defined the country, but we got the message it was wrong. Yeah.
And it was done. We were in the North, so it was like, oh, those assholes.
You know, whereas, of course, the North participated in the wrong way. Correct.
Of course. Everybody was, you know, talking about an economy built on cheap labor.
Yeah, yeah. free labor we got him saying yeah but i think i think i think um even with that conversation i think that um this the the the after effects of leading with slavery especially in grade school and the way we're taught and the way it was defined and the narrative was changed.

Yeah. of leading with slavery, especially in grade school and the way we're taught and the way it was defined and the narrative was changed.
Yeah, I think when people feel as though they've been lied to or feel as though that they, you know, have been disenfranchised or, you know, that is definitely a feeling, a real feeling, you know, for a lot of people. Oh, of course.
Yeah, And I think that, you know, when you look at, when you have a conversation about slavery and the way it's introduced to us and led to us, I mean, you can see, I remember being in grade school and having no issues with people in, you know, or racial kind of bias or whatever. But as soon as those lessons started, you could kind of see the mental shift in where it was.
The pecking order was introduced. Pecking order of amongst whom? The pecking order of the mentality of the way the white kids started looking at the black kids in that class.
You know what I'm saying? And vice versa. Looking at them with guilt, scorn, superiority.
Who knows? Who knows?

You know what I'm saying?

But it was like, oh.

See, today, it's funny because today, the country is so divided and so different.

In blue state areas like here, if they introduce this topic, because the way the white kids have been brought up on this subject, they're going to be like, oh, my God, we're terrible people.

We're oppressors.

Whereas I feel this is wrong because, kids, you didn't do it.

Yeah, yeah.

You had Little League.

Right, right, right.

And this was many years ago.

But maybe when you grew up or still in some places in the country, where this subject comes up,

maybe the white kids look at

the black kids with scorn.

Like, you know.

Yeah, I mean, but there is, what I'm saying is

whether those things, whether

that feeling is from there or it goes

into guilt or whether it goes into something

that you could tell that this was

now being introduced, right?

And so now you look at the systems and the things that have been, you know, I guess what we have been dealing with, you know, from different ranges. You know, racism does exist and all that stuff, you know.
But I definitely know from, like, grade school on to the introduction of it.

And then when you get into being an adult and you see how the disparaging differences between being able to get alone or not get alone or how you identified or singled out, that's a real thing.

You know what I'm saying?

So I think that, especially in this climate.

It's a real thing, but some of that they can measure. Yes.
And they do. Yes.
And we got to go by measurements, not feelings. Correct.
Like you wouldn't use the blood work in your body from 1990. You'd use it from this year.
Correct. So you could look at that loan thing was certainly prevalent.
Still might be. I don't know.
But when you look at the numbers, you know,

especially in the last five years, people know that there's a real spotlight on this.

There has been a real effort. Well, it's been turned up on purpose.

Of course. And it should be.
But, you know, the question isn't, are there races? Of course,

there always will be on both sides, by the way. But of course, more historically, it wasn't

Thank you. The question isn't, are there racists? Of course, there always will be, on both sides, by the way.
But, of course, more historically, it was not a two-sided thing. It's only recently become, well, yeah, you could benefit as well as suffer, because we divide everything racially.
Right. But the question is, you know, not whether there are still racists of course this word they use systemic how much is it is in the system who is it holding back and what are the real solutions yeah uh america got a real wake-up call when they thought dei meant black people it doesn't motherfucker.
What do you mean? No, I mean, I think it was funny, but, you know, like, when they started attacking the whole DEI thing, you know, black people weren't, like, the last level of that. It affected so many people before it got to black people.
No. Yeah.

No, no, no. DEI programs? Yeah.
No. No, come on.
It was there to even things out with black people. That's what the program, diversity, equity, and inclusion.
But it did, you know. Who went first? Who jumped the line in diversity? Well, I mean, in those settings, what they're talking about is primarily, it was like women in the workplace.
Oh, women. Yeah, before it got down to.
But see, women don't need help in the workplace. That's how very often we're just so far locked into previous narratives that we get involved in what I keep calling zombie lies.
Like, it's a zombie lie. It was true, and then it became not true, but you keep saying it.
Women, yeah, women did used to not be treated equally and not paid as much just because they were were women and were and they were weren't avenues open to them women now are leading in the workplace you know they graduate more from college they they're it's the boys who are who are lagging behind now in those areas yeah you know it's like we're not living in the world where women can't get ahead.

Yeah, yeah.

Women can't.

No, I'm not saying that.

I'm not saying that.

But I mean,

I just think that people

were trying to generalize

and then it became

a, like, another code word

to talk about black people.

You know, and.

Oh, it is that too.

Yeah, no, it turned into that

for sure.

But it wasn't quite

the silver bullet that,

that, you know,

they were thinking it was. Well, they just get rid of it like three weeks ago yeah yeah no they did i mean it was i mean by as usual in this country biden overdid it with dei and trump is going too far in the other direction right you know there's the pendulum never stops in the middle in this but i think i think the uneducated people were thinking like you know j, J-Rock from Compton is working at NASA.
You know what I'm saying? Like they just ushered him in. No, no.
I don't think it's not that, but it's a lot of dumb shit going on out there. No, but there was, I think it was the University of Michigan, someplace like that, a college, which is already one of the most liberal places in the world, had something like 200 DEI officers.
No, come on, man. It's like, what are they doing? What needs to be done? Uh-oh.
No, I know. It's okay.
No, no, no. Let's face it.
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What is your ringtone? I just have the regular shit. I don't really change much on it.

So it's not something we wouldn't expect. No, no.
Funny if it was Anne Murray saying Snowbird. No, I really don't do a lot on there, man.
I just get phone calls. Yeah, I don't either.
Yeah, it's just... So you said before that you were so interesting about the, I think, the subjects that are so different.
When was your first album? 90s? My first album was 96. 96.
OK, so yes. Wow, that's, I mean, that's a ways.
That's almost 30 years. Yeah, 96, yeah.
OK, so yes, and in 96, I mean, certainly all the misogyny and like all that shit was fair game. Right, right.
Now, and so what are the subjects now that have replaced it, I guess, is what I'm getting at. Because when you cut down a tree and you see the rings in it, you know, you can tell how old that tree is.
When I started my records, I was kicking and screaming. I was very angry, so I was kind of— You'll hear it in your voice.
Yeah, I found a safe place for me to kick and scream and not hurt myself and others. Right.
You know? And so that was like my therapy almost. So hip-hop, I feel, saved my life.
But, you know, I was 19, 20 years old making those records. So now being able to, you know, go back and listen, you could tell the environments.
You could tell when I got paid. You could tell when I, you know, was frustrated.
You could tell when things got hard. You could tell when things were great.
You could hear it in the music. You can't in your voice.
Right. Yes.
And I think now fast forward to 2025, the things. I feel like all of it, I mean, I'm sure I don't know everything you've ever done, but I heard a lot.
And I feel like you're almost always, I mean, I wouldn't even say angry. I would just say forceful and energetic.
Aggressive. Aggressive, which is kind of what I'm asking about.
When you take away some of these things, they're the things that inspire aggression. It's harder to have that sound if you're rapping about how great your marriage is.
Yeah. I think, you know, like now, I still like aggressive music.
I still deliver aggressive, but I found my voice in the sense of not the tone or the projection of it, but what I'm supposed to be saying and how I'm supposed to be saying it. Like I feel, I was very doubtful.
I had a lot of doubt in my early records. I didn't know.
I was trying to compete. I didn't really know what I was going for.
I just knew the kind of music I like to make, and I would just say what I thought sounded good. But now when you speak with purpose and you speak with drive and you speak with conviction, it feels different.
It lands different. It feels good saying it.
I hope you go to the style of the, I mean, again, no great expert, but like you're, that's X. Just yours is one of the greats of all time.
Thank you, man. Thank you.
Just for name checking, Walter Cronkite. Yeah.
Yeah. But no, just that, is that Dr.
Dre? Yeah, that was Dr. Dre and Scott Storch.
OK, because he has a very distinctive sound. I would say he's the Phil Spector of rap.
Yes, we call him the chairman of the board. I'm sure you should.
Quincy Jones of our generation. Yeah, absolutely.
Because he just, I mean, that sound on that record, the same sound on Bitch Please, part two, Yes, yes. The same sound on the one, the great one I love, that Mary J.
Blige. I mean, normally not my favorite.
Yeah. Not that I don't love songs about having your period, but like, you know, Family Affair.
Yeah, Family Affair. Absolutely.
I bought the whole album. Yeah.
And like's nothing else on that album like that. It's like the single and then a bunch of songs like, oh, this, this.
But that one. Yeah.
Yeah. That sound is really, again, someone who's heart-fropping.
No, I mean, your ears don't lie to you? I mean, and music touches your soul. And, you know, so the frequencies that Dre knows and that he produces with and he, you know, pushes through the board are extraordinary.
You know, when A Chronic first came out, you never heard a record sound like that. And then, you know, it became this standard that people were trying to figure out how you made everything, you know everything sound the way it was and everything.
You could hear all these different sounds, but each sound had a specific place. It's crazy.
It appeals to someone like me from my era because it's melodic. And it's got that great beat.
You know, it's got something that it's, to me, it's the most sophisticated kind of style because, you know, it brings in me. Yes.
Not all rap can. Yeah.
Just because, come on, a 70-year-old white guy? Yeah, yeah. You're 70? Next year.
Oh, dude, you're fucking amazing. Oh, finish your thought.
Come on, man. Thank you.
No, serious. It's the weed.
Yeah, yeah. It's the weed and never getting married.
That's what it is. Kids.
Oh, dude. I mean, kids are great, I'm sure.
I hear. I hate them.
But, I mean, even at best, you would have to admit, they do suck the life out of you. They do.
They suck you of money, of time, of attention, of patience. Yes.
Right? I mean, they just must suck the life out of you. Yeah.
I think that's what it is for me. Yeah.
I was dad at 19. My oldest was born at 19.
Took you so long. Oh, yeah.
Well, you know. Were you gay? No, no.
19? Yeah. I'm kidding.
Yeah, and then, you know. Is that a boy or a girl? It's a boy, yeah.
He's almost, he's 28 now. Wow.
Right, so. How do you relate? I was telling.
Just like buddies now because he's a grown man? No, no, no. It's still very much father-son.
Good.

Good.

And I always tell him, you know, when he was old enough that we always grew up together.

You know, we kind of grew up together.

My father was a military guy.

Oh, yeah?

Yeah.

What branch?

In the Marine Corps.

Hello.

Yeah, and he did two tours in Vietnam.

And then you met my mother at Michigan State. Oh, Michigan State.
Yeah. Yeah, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, got remarried, but it didn't really work.
But for the most part, my dad raised me. So, you know, he was.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Like a single dad? Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, no, he was married, but then it kind of broke up.
And then, you know, so it was me and him for a while. I bet he was strict.
He was strict. But he was also, you know, doing the best he could with what he had.
No, I'm not against strict. I always get along well with people who had military parents, including women.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, really.
Yeah, yeah. I think it's because they're not brats.
Right. They just were not raised like other people.
I wasn't coddled. Not coddled.
Somebody slapped the snot out of them the first time.

Yeah.

They were like a brat.

Yeah.

And sometimes you move around a lot when the parent is military.

Right.

So, you know, you kind of have to learn manners because you're always the new kid.

No, that was the standard.

You know, respect, you know, being able to conduct yourself with some self-discipline.

Right. You know, just a moral compass that a lot of my friends didn't have.
Right. And so it was dope to be able to have that relationship with him.
It was kind of tight when we were kids. But then when I started making music and started doing shit with my life and, you know, he was worried about me, but we turned it around and did something, though.
You know, so we had a really great relationship up until he passed. And so I have that relationship with my young.
There's always been boundaries and respect. And, you know, I wasn't as hard on him as my dad was on me.
But those principles are still there. And I believe that.
It had to happen that way. Yeah.
I mean, he must be very proud. Yeah.
He was. I mean, what do the kids say when you, who's your father? Exhibit.
No, really. What? Really.
Come on. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, that's cooler than what most kids have to offer.
Now, are you hoping he'll become a Nepo baby? Oh, man. Come on.
Yo, he actually was doing music for a while. He still does music.
But I told him he can't be a starving artist. You have to work until your dreams come true.
You can't just chase your dreams and just wing it. You have to do something.
Because my kids aren't built like me. I was out there, crash test dummy in the street.
And so I don't want that for my children.

I don't want them to experience that. I don't want them to have any parts of that.
So they're going to have different challenges. And I welcome those, you know, because they're going to be nothing like the ones I had.
Yeah. And kids need to be challenged.
And they need to learn that failure happens. Yeah.

You know, you only do them no favors when you prevent them from experiencing that all through childhood because it's going to happen at some point in life. At some point, you're not even going to be there.
But even before that, you know, there's just, I mean, look, I guess every generation looks back at the younger generation and says this. But by God, it just seems true that they just are not tough.
No, they come from the immediate gratification, entitlement feeling. And I always tell my boys, my biggest fear is I leave this planet without you all knowing how to provide for yourself.
So you'll always be looking for a handout or help or a push. I want you to be driven, and I want you to follow through on things, you know, whether I help you or not.
My job is to make sure that you know how to get up, lace up your fucking boots and get kicking at the day. And, you know, I try to show that by example, you know, and there's other ways I get around it.
But I try to get the message where it's not forced. So does that point of view come through on the record? Absolutely.
Really? Absolutely. I think there's a lot of mindless music out now.
There's a lot of fluff. Always has been.
Yeah, always has been. But now I think there's a direct concentration of what's focused on and what's available and accessible.
You know, when you go from people physically putting on clothes and jumping in their cars and going to a record store and picking up an album, having that physical experience with it has been changed. So now, you know, the scrolling, the able to pick through a record and, you know, really not have to leave your, whatever you're doing, you can kind of get any record in the world.
And then it's all boiled down to this, you know, these couple streaming services, squeezing out the mom and pop, squeezing out that experience. So now, you know, you're boiled down to what's happening on your phone and a live experience.
And, you know, it's sad to the attention span of the audience is a lot shorter. And during the live show, it's also the phone.
Yeah, they're holding up the phone, not even having the experience that they paid to see. That to me is frightening.
I watched the Taylor Swift concert because Nikki Glaser was here and she made me. Insisted that I was missing something.
Spoiler alert, I am Yeah. But that doesn't mean I don't think she's, I'm a great admirer.
I mean, just you've got to just, the level of success is just astounding. But so I watched it.
No, I'm sorry, I don't get the music. But everybody, every song, when they show the crowd, when they pan out to the crowd, or when you see the crowd behind, it's almost all just through phones.
I mean, you see the light in the phone. And I'm just thinking, well, we have kind of passed this AI point.
Ray Kurzweil wrote that book years ago, and he said 2028, I think. He called it the, I forget, the Reckoning or something where it meant this is the moment when humans and machines sort of merge.
Merge. And we're kind of there in a lot of ways.
You know, the phone is the sort of bridge to that moment. And look, we have machine parts in us already.
But not that one. Not that one.
So I've kind of watched this thing go from like a landline with a rotary phone. And then it turned into the handheld, and then it turned into this, now, do you remember the brick mobile phones? Yes.
Yeah. Right.
Yeah, it was a big deal. And then that thing.
And then there's the cell phone, but that's not a smartphone. Right.
A dumb cell phone. Right.
The flip phones, the pagers. this thing has literally unplugged itself from the wall crawled over to us

and fucked a dumb cell phone. Right, the flip phones, the pagers.
This thing has literally unplugged itself from the wall, crawled over to us, and fucking connected to us. And right now it's a physical connection because we can put it up and put it down.
But now that thing is, when it jumped to the Apple Watch, I was like, oh, they got us. But why, you don't have it? I don't.
No, me neither. That's me.
No way, a stupid like fuck that oh i'm gonna check my watch to see what's on my phone like what the fuck how many steps do you need to put in club random is brought to you by the audio marketing gurus at radioactive media congratulations you survived 2024 now the question is are you as a business owner or CMO going to ensure your business survives and thrives? You have the ability to overcome anything by taking control and steering it in the direction you want to go. So why not utilize something reliable and stable for your marketing efforts and tap into the power of podcast and radio? In the U.S., audio reaches more than social media and digital combined.
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I think they did a poll. Yes, I'm sure they did, because I think we did a joke about it,

where, like, one in ten Gen Z said they would, like, cut off a finger before they couldn't hold her, something like that. Like, literally, we're moving toward that.
Yeah. And I think I told this story recently here, but forgive me if you know it.
uh somebody i know has a kid sister who uh first boyfriend they're like 17 they go to sleep at night not in the same bedroom but with the phone on all night on like you know facetime. That's the dumbest shit ever.
To us, it is. But to them, it is not.
And just on the subject of moving toward this singularity, that's the name of the book, singularity, when we become one with the machines. And this guy was right about a lot of things like when the soviet union would fall and um i think he's got it pretty close yeah you know i mean we are and it could happen before then yeah what are you talking about the chip that the well the process the processor just like you you know, it starts with a calculator.

A calculator.

I mean, we didn't have those when I was in school,

but that's why you had to learn your multiplication.

Right.

And then you, now everybody has a calculator.

I mean, I don't think the kids can do it

because they don't need to.

Why would you?

Right.

You have it right there.

You could just say, Siri, what's six times four? You know, whatever know whatever it is but if i take your phone you can't do shit right but that's the singularity you are one i mean that google glasses are kind of that yeah that's another thing to watching the glasses they're on us now they're on you yeah they're part they're becoming part of you yes and again watching the concert, why can't they just watch Taylor Swift? Why do you need to see her through a phone? Because you've given up the ability and the choice to use your memory. Instead, this is better.
I don't have to remember it. Now I could just have it forever.

Whoever fucking watches a concert back on their phone, nobody. Well, the thing is now attention is the new drug, in my opinion.
You're right. Attention is new drug and people want to be judged by their experiences and what they portray on Facebook and TikTok and IG.
And, you know, it's pretty interesting to see, you know, people have this life that they can project to the world. And then, you know, it may be a total different thing, but everybody wants to project the TV show.
It's like everybody's on a Truman show now, you know, like literally, Like people get up to post themselves and show. I can't do that.

I don't, even though I do music and I go do things for entertainment, I don't like the attention. Yeah.
We're from a different era where we want this bright wall between public and private. Right.
They don't. Right.
Like, I want to say goodnight and then go in the door and, like, not have it on, you know? Sometimes I just- Take off my super suit. Right? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
No, they don't get that. Yeah.
That's not even desirable. Right.
Which is why sometimes that generation doesn't fight for free speech, for privacy, because the great sin is not losing privacy. The great sin is losing publicity.
Hell yeah. Everything needs to be projected.
I hate that. I think it's weird.

I don't want to know.

You know what I'm saying?

Like people splurring all kinds of personal shit.

I hate that.

You know what I'm saying?

Do you think your kids have been captured by that mentality?

I think my youngest spends a lot of time on that kind of stuff. But his whole friend's circle are in that.
And it's tough. It's tough because I know there's going to be a lot of deprogramming that needs to happen once he grows out of that.
Yeah. Well, I think you're the man to do it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm here.

I'm here to do it.

Yeah, yeah.

I will be.

No, I know you will.

Yeah.

And you're not married?

Oh, take a big hit on that one.

You're not.

You are.

I am in the middle, or no, I'm at the end of a very rough divorce. Yes.
Is there any other kind? It's rough. It's been going on for four years.
And, you know, that is a long time. Yeah.
You don't get to, you don't get to, I don't think you really know somebody until you divorce them. What a great line.
No, really. That's, how did, how did nobody ever say that before? That, and I've never been married, but that, that so rings true.
Because I sure have lived through divorces with every male friend I've ever had and some of the female. Don't know.
But you don't know somebody until you divorce. Yeah.
Did you ever see the movie Marriage Story? It was a Netflix movie. It's with Adam Driver.
Yes, yes, I did see that. Adam Driver and Scarlett Johansson.
I mean, I thought it was brilliant. It really should be called Divorce Movie because it's about a couple that's married.
And then as soon as the movie starts, they seem happy at first. And then the divorce starts.
And it all starts, and I feel the movie rang true with people because it's the way it is. It starts with, okay, once you get over the, we're splitting up, then they go through this phase of, let's be civil about it.
And little by little, it's a back and forth, you know, they get a lawyer who blah, blah, blah. And then, oh, okay, well, if you're going to fight that way until they have that scene, it's one of the most riveting scenes I've ever seen in a movie where it just builds over 10 minutes.
They're divorced, and she comes over to his apartment, which, of course, he doesn't really want to be living in a small apartment, but he has to because of the settlement. It starts out very simple.
And can you take the kids on this weekend? Oh, I would, but blah, blah, blah. And it just builds to, I fucking want i fucking wanna you know i hope you get hit by a bus yeah and uh not that i needed another reason not to get married but when i saw that it's like that people can be that bad to each other and and and and you, I think, you know, when things go out the window and boundaries are crossed and, you know, saying things you can't come back from, you know, it sucks.
You know what I'm saying? I don't know if I'd ever get married again, you know what I'm saying I don't know if I'd ever get married again you know I am with someone but not married you know and I think that's I think that's that's safe to say you know if you if you fuck with me you'll be in the wheel you know what I'm saying? Yeah, you'll be there. Ashes to ashes.
Yeah. Well.
Like, I mean, fuck it. I'm going to know at that point.
You know, the next line in that hook you sang there was like, wasn't it about shooting with Puff? Yes. Yes.
Whatever happened to him? What's he doing now, Puff Daddy? Puff Daddy? Yeah. But that's who you were referring to, right? Yes, absolutely.
Yeah, the nightclub shooting where Sean was at. I call it a bathroom misunderstanding.
I don't know if we need to call it a nightclub shooting. Like, I was online.
I thought it was the other line. It happens all the time.
Nightclubs are funny places. Yeah.
He's got quite a bit going on. Did you ever go to one of those parties? Well, it's a yes or no question, sir.
Well, OK. So look, I was invited, and I was there for like an hour, and then I had to leave.
Because? Well, I just, you know, it was, I think it was the person I came with. So, you know, it didn't work out.
It ended up being a good thing. We were in and out of there, so.
Yeah, I guess you don't know someone until you've been to a freak off. I mean, that's not as good as your thing about divorce.
Yeah, yeah. No, it's true.
You know, you get to know. You don't really.
We all live in a very high civilization, especially if you look through history. I mean, my God, people take for granted everything we have.
I mean, the phone, we're mocking it. But, I mean, it is a pretty amazingly great thing when you want to order food or just call somebody or just texting.
I think about all the time I wasted in my life having to make a phone call and then chit-chat. Yeah, you get to bullshit for like 10 minutes and then you get to the point.
And then another 10 minutes to talk about shit. It was like what you had to do with your drug dealer.
Yeah. You had to like pretend.
I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah.
Oh, shit. Absolutely correct.
That's when I was first out of college trying to, starting my life in the clubs as a comedian. You know, barely getting on stage, certainly not making any money from it.
I was a pot dealer. Right.
I had this, I was, I locked into a yeah was it with that pressed the the press stuff or was it like buds pressed i never there was one time that was when i was a pot dealer in college that's where i got uh our our dealer and the college dealer he once got us acapulco gold. Wow.
I mean, we sold whatever he sold us. Right, right.
We were the lowest man on the totem pole. But I went from never smoking to selling it in six months because it was the only way I could afford it.
It'll do that. I remember buying a pound and then dividing it into 17 ounces.
I see what you did there. I would call that the head tack.
Yeah. So who's going to weigh there? So it's a little less.
Right, right. But it was a great business.
But Acapulco gold came in a brick. I can see it.
And it was gold. Yeah.
It was gold. Yeah.
And I've tried to find it ever since. Yeah.
And it was gold. It was gold.
And I've tried to find it ever since. And it was different.
I mean, it was awesome. It was light.
There was something about Acapulco gold. So if anyone out there would like to contact me, but why don't we ever see Acapulco gold? I think those, I mean, you got to think back in the day, you know, they had sativas and whatnot when they started crossbreeding them.
And then, remember, it was just stress and chronic. That was the only two types of weed, especially out here in California.
Then the kush came along, and that was the first one with a name. And then it became all these other things.
I think that when people started growing indoors and really cultivating and going, that became like the boutique. That became like the top tier.
And so the press weed that was getting sent over from wherever it was coming from, it just seeks to, the taste, the people didn't want that. That was stressed was stressed that we don't want that you know so eventually it phased out because now the more they produced the indoor and people that was up for demand it kind of squeezed out the bullshit strains all right well there was nothing bullshit about acapulco gold i i really feel there should be like a section what am i saying i own a own a pot store.
Okay, I'm going to get this done tomorrow.

Find the strain.

Somebody has it somewhere.

Well, I think there should be a whole movement toward like pot classic.

Tie stick, another pot classic.

Remember this strain from 1978.

The Bee Gees were on the charts. And people were smoking.
Red herring. Right.
Panama Red. That's another one.
Yes. Panama Red.
Yeah, that's real. Acapulco Gold.
Yes. And tie stick.
And I remember the tie stick came with a little string around. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
It was like, oh. I never got into that.
It didn't work for me. I was just like, eh.
Tie stick? Yeah. Maybe somebody gave me some bullshit because I just never had a great experience with it.
Right. I don't remember it being special.
I remember the Acapulco gold being special. Yeah.
So then when I got out of college, I was first living in New York. I just lucked into a high school friend introduced i was i don't know i don't know why i can't remember why but this guy who lived in connecticut and i think like his brother or something must have been in the mob and got him like like like like for free yeah because it it was a really great price.

And I would take the train from Grand Central up to Connecticut, a town, a very tony town in Connecticut. I won't say which one.
Get off at the train station. I was carrying a briefcase, which I was going to take the two pounds of pot back in.
Stupidly, like, I was dressed like the bum I was

and I had this, like, businessman's briefcase

thinking I wouldn't stick out, you know.

Awesome.

And I would walk from the train station,

it was like a mile and a half, to his house.

And I would just really want to get the pot,

give him my...

Hey, turn around and go.

But you had to make the conversation he was a nice guy and what do you want to talk about he was a kind of a hippie he had a wife who was kind of like busting his balls for smoking too much i remember once she's she was like he was like saying to her she was like standing in the kitchen it's like i to God, I haven't had any today. And she said, I can see it on your teeth.
Like a stuck eye. So you got to watch Edith and Archie go back and forth.
No, but I'm just saying, you're a pretty big pothead if they can see it on your teeth. But he did have like a little, like at the end of that, something like ash or some shit like you know i can see the pots yeah but uh but that kind of saved my bacon in those early years you know i mean i needed the other way i could have i had a even the shitty apartment i had because comedians don't make money right i'm sure nobody i mean no i mean it's thing.
What, did you make mixtapes at first? No, I never made a mixtape. Really? And I never made a demo.
Really? When I came here, I came, I was born in Detroit. I lived in New Mexico, Albuquerque for like seven years.
Wow. And then from there, I came to California.
And when I got to California, that's where I first met King T and the Alcoholics.

They were the first people I met with record deals.

Wait, who?

They took me to King T and the Alcoholics.

Oh, not actual Alcoholics.

No, no, no.

No, it's a group called Alcoholics.

Yeah, yeah.

Go on.

That's okay. That's putting your tits on the glass.
All right. Okay, I'll take a shot for that.
All right. Salute.
Salute. Oh, great to see you.
Yeah, absolutely. Here you go.

Salute.

OK.

All right.

Thank you so much for coming, brother.

I was so looking forward to this all week.

Hell yeah.

Oh, yeah.

And I don't know where it was.

I feel like the only other time I saw you

was when I told you about the thing I told you about tonight,

that I used your line there.

And I don't know when that was,

but that probably was almost 20 years ago or something. Yeah.
I mean. And we're still here, man.
Knock wood. I don't know.
It's still early tonight. Yeah.
I mean, yeah. But, you know, like, I wouldn't trade even this age because I'm just smarter and don't make so many stupid mistakes.
And that makes up even, I think, I don't know, if I could spend a day in my 30-year-old body, maybe I'd be like, oh, no, I forgot how awesome it is to do. But I don't feel like I basically do anything that differently than I ever did.
I still run around and stuff that may end tomorrow or something, and I'm sure I don't run as fast. Yeah, yeah.
But the bigger difference, I feel, is in my mind. Yes.
You know, and you're just so stupid. Yeah.
You're just so. Yeah, wasted a lot of time, resources.
Oh, wasted time, bad decisions. Oh, horrible decisions.
But those are the best ones, though. You know what I'm saying? Especially if you can learn from them.
You know. I don't know what you're saying.
Every choice comes with an invoice, right? And so we. Great line.
Yeah, so we have to understand that, you know, my dad used to tell me there's, you have to suffer the natural and logical consequences for your behavior. And I knew some of these things I wasn't supposed to be doing.
But it was like, I'm going to try it because I might have a different outcome. He don't know what he's talking about.
After about 150,000 of those, oh, he knew what he was talking about. You kind of like fall into, you know, a different type of mind state.
Now, when you first touch money, like when I first touched money, I did all the things that I exactly what the opposite of what I was supposed to do. We ain't got a car, we ain't got a watch, we ain't got a chain.
We ain't got this and that for the appearance of success without actually being in the black, you know? Right. Yeah, and so it was a learning curve.
Everybody does it. Everybody does it.
I mean, and also somebody once said this, and I keep trying to remember who the celebrity was, but whoever he is out there, please tell me.

Somebody said, when you become famous, you get a year to act like an asshole.

Now, I may have taken two.

I may have taken ten.

You know what I'm saying?

I may have done ten.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I may have, too.

Rocket fuel.

People understand. That shit is great.
It's a great feeling. You know? It is a great feeling.
Also, there's sometimes some bitterness because of, like, who held you back or didn't believe in you. There's a little chip on your shoulder about, oh, you know, you didn't let me in this club.
You know, now you have to.

Yeah, exactly. Not that, I mean, I never started any shit.
Yeah. I mean, I wasn't in the club with Puff.
Yeah, yeah. About to bust.
Me either. It was a great line, you know.
It was. But you weren't there that night.
No, hell no. Yeah, no.
You were just friendly. I've actually been kind of unscathed.
As a hip-hop artist, it can be a lot of crash landings. you know but I've

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I've actually been kind of unscathed. As a hip-hop artist, it can be a lot of crash landings.
But I've relatively been really true to character, and that speaks volumes and allows me to walk in a lot of doors. And I haven't had a lot of that kind of stuff.
Once I'd left that stuff behind as a kid and I got into a professional setting, some people don't know how to read the room. They sure don't.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was able to understand that my environment was changing.
Right. These people don't, you know, you can't, we're not here on the block.
You know what I'm saying? Like, we're here to do business and make sure that we are building something. You have to grow age-wise with your audience.
Correct. Your core audience is aging.
The audience that you started with when they were very young, they want to love you because there's an emotional connection. Correct.
When you connect at that young age. Correct, yeah.
The first song you got laid to. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, it's always going to be. You partied with your friends to this.
This is what your song, this was on your ringtone. Right.
This was, you know, this is what you grew up with. This is part of your DNA.
And I get that. But I also, you know, when making this record, I wanted to not only have a transfer of information.
These are the ideals, these are the self-discipline,

these are the motives, these are the way I operate, the moral compass I use.

All this is kind of built into the album, calling it Kingmaker. So now I'm handing this over to

people who are willing to listen. And now you can do with it what you will.
And that's the

the image behind Kingmaker has,

it has nothing to do with me sitting on the,

Thank you. people who are willing to listen.
And now you can do with it what you will. And that's the image behind Kingmaker.
It has nothing to do with me sitting on the throne or feeling like a royalty. Like, this is, like, serious, yeah.
That's not what a kingmaker is. Right.
That's the king. Right.
A kingmaker. Yeah.
You know, that's the guy behind the throne. But that's what I'm saying.
I think the listener is who I'm trying to empower. Right.
So that's why I said, here are the tools, you know? I don't want to be king. You know, I want to be a soldier.
Soldiers kill kings. So explain this to me as someone who maybe should know this, but I'm just, you know, I love that I can talk to you as frankly as I can.
Like, I don't get the Kendrick Lamar, Drake feud. What I don't get is, like, what? Why? Should I stop? No.
What? What's so funny? I feel like you're laughing at me. I know.
With me? Near me? Yes. You're laughing near me.
I'm laughing with you. Okay.
All right. I just think it's the way that you work.
I was expecting like that was a left turn like a motherfucker. When I said, when I told HBO I was doing a podcast or asked, I said, it'd be nothing like a real time.
I will never plan anything. Yeah.
And I've lived up to that pledge, believe me. OK, what don't you understand about it? OK, so I figure out why this brought to my mind, but whatever you said, what I don't understand is, OK, Kendrick Lamar, I'm not going to pretend that I really know his music at all.
Understood, yeah. That's not kind of like the kind that I was describing.
I think that's more melodic, you know. Okay.
So, but what I get is that, you know, he's sort of the great tribute of social justice at the moment. Like, he's taking more, he's more serious.
He won a Nobel Prize. Right.
Right. Okay, so he's not rapping about the booty.
I'm sure they're not going to give you a Nobel Prize for booty. You're right.
Booty raps. Booty raps.
Am I wrong about that? You're absolutely correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I was like was like okay here's this great nobel prize

winning you know poet of social justice but his obsession is to have a fight with another rapper

if social justice is really that big an issue that is a super that is a that is such that is

such a super look at the perception that that that that is from where you're at right

Thank you. That is such a super look at the perception that is from where you're at.

Right.

Okay, so I'm trying to figure out how to explain this to you in the best way you can understand it. Okay.

Okay, so Drake is the Empire, okay? And Kendrick is Luke Skywalker. There was David and Goliath.
I know very little about Star Wars. I'm telling you right now.
Okay, fuck. Okay, there's a Democrats in the neighborhood.
I get it that Drake is sort of the softer one. No, I wouldn't say softer.
I think that I would explain it like this. Drake was for a decade, if not more, arguably the largest selling.

Oh, yes.

Yeah, no.

His presence in the music, in the world, it was huge.

And did not he also, even more important perhaps,

change what was fashionable in rap?

Made it a little more emo?

Yeah, he brought a lot of, he made a lot of records for women and, you know, those ballads and keeping that fan base young and energized. Right.
You know, like, he became really, you know, a different guy from the way he started, right? Was he a certified lover boy or was that grandfather? I have no idea about what he's doing with his boy. No, that don't sound right.
But I don't know what he's doing. But I never saw anything that proved he was a pedophile.
There's been no court. There's been nobody brought any cases against him.
Obviously, it's possible, especially in the music industry. But I guess it's possible for anybody.
Right. And so to like a, maybe it's well-known within the industry.
There's a clip of, but it's of like him talking to a 14-year-old girl on the stage. And that was suspect.
And then, you know, it was. On the stage? On the stage.
And we hear what he's saying? Yeah, you hear what he's saying. What is it? Come back to my room? No, I wouldn't say that.
Well, we heard it. What is it? I don't remember what it is.
I just know that's where that comes from, that clip. And then he was talking to.
It must have been something. I don't think it was, what are your opinions on the Donbass? No, no, I just don't.
It was something that made your eyebrow raise. Okay.
Right? And then he was talking to the Millie Bobby Brown girl about relationship shit. And, you know, it's just, you know, and people like to run with things, right? So really it started from, you know, a feature, you know, and we'll probably never know when Jabs started or whatever, but it boiled over into this thing where it became this David and Goliath moment.
And what you're seeing and why people are celebrating it so much is that this big, huge machine and, you know, and this so-called, you know, rapper from Compton that, yes, he has success, but he's not as big as us. No, but hardly David.
Right. Right.
Well, I mean, compared to what would, the way you view things. Sure.
Right. And the perception.
Again, this is all about opinion. Everyone's always rooting for the rebel against the mainstream guy.
Right. Right.
Somebody man. Somebody has to be the establishment.
Or else it's no fun. You know, who are you going to shake your fist at? But it just seemed...
But it blew up and it turned into something that, you know... Well, it blew up because he kept taking records about it.
And he would never stop singing it. And he sang it at the Super Bowl.
And like, you know, it's just, I thought, well, he's definitely not going to sing it at the Super Bowl. He made his point.
No, he did that shit. Oh, I understand.
But I thought he would say to himself, you know, I've made my point. It's just going to look like overkill.

But no, it was like, let's have some overkill.

Okay, again, I would not want to be someone who, if I was innocent of this crime,

because it's a pretty serious thing to level at somebody.

You kind of have to really know for sure, don't you?

No.

Are you kidding? I'm not kidding. Hold on.
Hold on. No, I understand.
Pedophile? But no, no, listen. Listen.
This is a rap battle. Yes.
This is not, you know, testimony or deposition. You know what I'm saying? This is a fucking rap battle.
I'm going to talk about your mama. I'm going to talk about your daddy.
I'm going to talk about your children.

I'm going to talk about everything.

I'm going to talk about your grandma's wooden leg.

I'm going to talk about your missing teeth.

Right.

It's all game, right?

So, you know, like, we're pretty savvy enough to say, like, if there was something weird going on, then there would definitely be people that would come forward and testify and do that.

And then people would be charged for that.

Thank you. say like if there was something weird going on then there would there would definitely be people that will come forward and and and testify and do that and then people will be charged for that but when you when you're playing the the dozens yeah and i and i give you one that hurts your feelings right you know don't be the guy who wants to fight because i got a good joke right is that you know saying that's quite a joke right Wow.
It's, um... Right, but I mean, it's...
I think, you know, when you're in a rap battle, you know, the option is to, you know, either bow out gracefully or to come back with something harder. Right? So you're saying we're not for the suit? No, there's no suing it.
Well, Drake sued his own record company. Yeah, I understand.
But he's basically saying that you did something for someone else that you used to do for me, and here's how I know. Say that again? You're doing the same thing that you're doing for him.
You used to do for me, and I'm blowing a whistle now. I see.
Yeah. You're boosting this and boosting that.
What I mean, I think that's not true. Like, the world loves that song, you know? Okay, but does it not, my question is, does it not leave one with the impression that maybe things aren't so bad if we can divert our attention to this seemingly internecine battle between two rappers that really is, you know, just performing.
I think it's just. It was like people get into it all the time in hip hop, but that was significant because now we have this thing, this thing in hip hop.
It was like, you know, is it skill over success? Is it the money versus the culture? These things have never had the opportunity to clash because it was always overshadowed by the profit, by the money that was made. So it didn't matter what your opinion was.
But now we have somebody that really doesn't, you know, live in the same lane.

They're big.

Right.

But is it culture versus, you know, capitalism? Is it real hip-hop, quote-unquote, versus commercial hip-hop? It was like a heavyweight fight. So will there be further publicity hate to be made out of a rapprochement? Listen.
Don't you think? I think the people that tune into part two and part three of different boxing matches, as long as if they keep going at each other, what I'm pretty sure to be subliminally and on and on and on, you know, and hopefully, you know, it stays entertainment. You know, whatever lawsuit, whatever, that's new territory for me.
I've never seen that before. I'm anxious to see how it pans out as well.
You know? But why introduce that to the Gladiator arena? You know? Like, come on, dude. You know? People do like Gladiators.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're in a fight, bro.
They just remade the movie. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, that's what... Most movies are some variation.
Yeah, why are they remaking all of the classics? Like, I would love to see something new. But then, you know, you see it on Netflix, and same thing happened in music when they, you know, CDs were bootlegged.
I mean, I feel like I remember a record of yours where you, and this is really a long time ago, 20, you know, again, that 20 year period where you were saying hip hop is hollow. Yes.
And. Okay.
So what year was that? It was like back the way it was or there was. Back to the way it was.
Back to the way. Yeah.
Yes. Yes.
Yes. Back to the way it was.
And it was like, I feel like you said hip hop was hollow. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that was the theme of it, which is, so why? Because it had, I feel like that's when it got harder. You can hold your breath till you're blue in the face.
But you can never, ever take my place. Yes.
Yes, I remember that. Because right now, hip hop is hollow with no substance.-Men with the roughness gets sex to suck sometimes.
And many of us, the way we act, we even lost our minds. Yes, I remember that.
So what's your feeling on that 20 years on? Was that of that moment? Or did you get it back? I feel like I'm a hip hop purist.

And when I say purist, I mean I believe in the five elements of hip hop.

I believe in graffiti, break dancing, MC, DJ.

I've never heard that there were five. Yeah, yeah, yeah.pping how ironic the one we forgot weed is pretty important absolutely it's part of the culture but weed has been part of music forever right even the blues, the jazz blues, the jazz singers.
Oh, sure. You know, like, yeah, they all had a relationship.
Well, that's not forever, though. I mean, I don't know if Mozart was.
Yeah, he probably got high. He was kind of crazy to begin with.
Yeah, yeah. But they used to do cocaine freely back then.
Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it was like medicine. I don't think in Europe, europe in the 17th century they were doing i could be wrong maybe they got the blow got into europe but i don't think so i think that's because i think it was always have cocaine well i don't think it was grown in the middle east which was maybe they had like uh opium or something yes no they had well they different things um, different things.
Well, first of all, in Islam, you know, drug use, you don't go to rehab, you go to virus. They don't, you know, there's no in between.
It's very harsh. But in Africa, they, East Africa, I think mostly, they, kat.
Did you ever hear that? It's K-H-A-T, kat. Yeah.
It's a lot like cocaine. Like they give it to the soldiers to chew before they go into battle, kind of get you, you know, like cocaine in the same sense of if you just chew the cocoa leaf, it's not the kind of high we know from cocaine.
Right. You know, it's not that shitty, buzzy talking about it.
Thank God I wasn't a cocaine addict, because you definitely don't want to have to talk to the cocaine dealer. The pot dealer is bad enough, but not the one on cocaine.
You'll be there for three hours. Yeah, yeah.

But no, they, I mean, every part of the world, yes,

I think has something that makes you high.

You know, I mean, the Romans said wine, women, and song.

And I think sex, drugs, and rock and roll is like 2,000 years later. Yeah, they go hand in hand.
And music has always been there. Yes.
I'd have to, I don't know what to do with myself, find something to do if I couldn't have music in my life. I think a lot of people feel the same way.
We all like different kinds of music. But it's rare to find that person who doesn't like any music wow don't you think those are scary people they probably kick pets pets and shit yeah well there are people who don't like dogs yeah which i don't understand there are people who really don't laugh yeah trump does not laugh like he makes people laugh sometimes intentionally i mean i'm trying to think Have I ever seen them laugh? I don't know.
I have not. Hmm.
That's interesting. Like really?

That's interesting. He makes people laugh.
Sometimes intentionally. I'm trying to think.
Have I ever seen him laugh? I don't know. I have not.
Like really laugh? Like a belly laugh, like a gut laugh. Like any laugh.
Yeah. I don't feel like I've ever seen Donald Trump laugh.
Maybe he has, but he's kind of like, you know, you can get a broad smile out of him. Yeah, yeah.
But, you know, I just don't think, no, I'm not saying that.

Look, there could be people like that who are nothing like him,

and that is not my issue with Donald Trump.

But it is indicative.

It just is funny.

And then there are people who laugh a little.

Of course, as a comedian, you know, you know a lot of these types types who like, they laugh a little and then tell you a better joke. Yeah.
Leno's that way. Yeah, yeah.
That's good, yeah. And then he's got, you know, always has a better topping joke.
Yeah. But, no, I think laughing, Trump has also never done pot or liquor.
Never had a drink. Wow.
Never had a drink, yeah. Maybe that's connected to the laughing thing.
I don't know. But look, I can't.
Like he's never like had a like. No, his brother died of alcoholism.
I mean, you had alcohol problems, didn't you? Didn't you, like, have a drinking thing? No. I think, you know, being able to moderate and, yeah, I used to party a lot when I was younger.
Oh, so did I. Yeah, but I mean, that's kind of like where the self-discipline thing comes back in.
You know, it's, first of all, getting up there in age. Can't, you know, I don't bounce back the way I used to.
It doesn't feel the same. And there's no reason to really drink unless you have a reason to celebrate.
That's the problem with having a young body is that it takes so much punishment. Absolutely.
So you can just do the stupidest thing. Yeah, yeah.
I was running into brick walls with my fucking body. You know what I'm saying? Literally, you mean? No, no.
I'm just saying, like, it was some long nights. They're days that ran into each other.
Kids do things like that. Absolutely.
Do you know what the latest TikTok challenge is? No. Dropping something super heavy on your foot.
I'm not joking with you. Because they can because if we did it i mean if i stubbed my toe i'm mad at myself for a week you know but i'm not gonna do it to get people to click on my fucking tiktok i'm not gonna injure myself like this the edi ediocracy movie is coming to like more and more and more and more every fucking day.
Isn't that movie great? It's awesome. It's so...

It's scary. It's so on the money.
It's scary because I see it happening. And Present was played by Terry Crews.
Ah, Terry Crews. Oh, yeah, you're right.
You're right. You're right.
And he's a great guy, by the way. Oh, OK.
OK. So look.
come on show i'm stoned too because i think um uh tiny was the president in a different movie now that was michael douglas in the american president very similar but what what movies do you watch what do you what are you what's your what watch? What's your diet of when you want to chill out or when you're watching with your girl? Yeah. What do you watch? I watch Netflix and chill or HBO.
I like to. HBO, boy, that's.
Yeah, yeah. I like to.
There's a lot of good series, but then when I want to go find a movie, I watch the Indiana Jones franchise. I like Spielberg.
I like that era of directing. Yeah.
And the way those films, like the Indiana Jones series for sure. I watched a lot of that when I was growing up.
The lighting, the story. It felt like you're watching a hi-fi version of the old way things.
That time stamp. I watched a movie.
I watch movies like in the bathtub and in the kitchen. I used to watch cable news, and I'm so much happier, like not having, it's not where I don't keep up on the news, but just, I'm sorry.
I just, it depresses me. Yeah, yeah.
But movies, it just, and I was watching one that I remember I saw in the theater in 2005, because I recall who I was watching it with. And it's the, I can't remember the name of it, but it's Jennifer Aniston and Clive Owen.
Derailed. Derailed.
Yes. What are your memories of that I mean, there's so many.
Really?

There's... You were not the hero, as I recall.

I was not the hero.

So I got...

Okay, so I got two great stories about that film.

First of all, that was...

It's entertaining.

Yeah.

It is.

That was...

My father went with me to London to shoot that.

We shot that at George Lucas Studios.

Oh, really?

Right.

And it was dope because that was the first time he got to travel with me to a movie set.

So I'll always remember this.

Yeah.

But on, there's, there's, there's, that's also because we were filming on George Lucas

set.

It was like somebody came over, wanted to take a picture with me and brought me a lightsaber. And I, I still have that fucking thing.
You know what I'm saying? Like, it was like, like one of the practice ones that they use. Even I know what that is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
So, so, so first day of shooting, I am in a scene,

and it's the scene where I'm supposed to be beating Jennifer Aniston up on the couch.

Right?

And, you know, it's the first scene of the day.

Wow.

And Brad Pitt is in the room. Oh, they were married.
Yeah, he was in the room. Oh, wow.
And. I'm tense just listening to the story.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, and action.
You know what I mean? I'm like. But you must have rehearsed it.
Yeah, no. It's fucking Jennifer Aniston.
So, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, bro, must, you must've rehearsed it. Yeah.
No, it's fucking Jennifer Aniston. So, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, you're like, bro, I'm not, but you did rehearse it.
Yeah. Yeah.
We did rehearse it, but it was like, you know, I was, you know, no, not now they have intimacy coordinators, but no, but, but, but then, but then the story gets a little better. So, so, so then the, uh, the director says, comes over to me, says,

you know, she's full on crying.

And like, this is like going against all,

I'm like, I'm fresh into acting.

You okay?

Like this ain't something I'm doing all the time, right?

And so like, as I'm doing these movies,

like this is a strange thing for me.

So now the director comes over

and she looks up to me.

She has tears.

She's full on in, right?

She says, it's okay.

You can get a rough.

I'll see, oh fuck. I'm like, oh fuck.
Oh fuck. You know what I'm saying? And so, and so he's like, he's like, okay, yes, you, you, you, you bitch.
You must say bitch. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, oh shit.
Okay. Let me, uh, let inner ike you know this uh this this story is fraught with problematic tension in every possible way so we do the scene and then you know that's what's in the movie and then and then it was it was like that was my first day on that set so i'll never forget it the second the second thing i remember about that about that movie was my dad was on set one day, and it was the scene where we had to get in a fight at the end of the movie.
We were running up and down the halls, and we fight in the room. And then Clive Owen pulls out a gun and shoots me at the end of the fight.
And so I have these squibs on, like a chest full of squibs squibs it takes about 40 minutes to set these things up so quiet on the set, first shot, everybody's pumped, everybody's ready to go, okay boom, hit the door, we're fighting pulls the gun I'm on the ground dead Dead silence. My dad.
Oh, how unfortunate. You're kidding.
No. He said those words? Exact.
Well, that was better than anything in the movie. Oh, oh, oh.
That's fucking awesome. So then it's quiet again.

Cut.

Who the fuck was that?

Who the fuck was that?

And so my dad was like, oh, that's like, dad, you can't.

Just go talk to your father.

So he yelled at the screen before it was even on the screen.

Yes. Oh, how unfortunate.
You know, I'm still in it. So I'm like, oh, my God.
Dad. But did it ruin the take? It did.
So we had to reset. Then we did the scene.
It was good. It was good.
Well, I can't tell you what a pleasure it is getting to know. Every time, man.
Okay. So I hope you will come back to this place, whether the cameras are on or not.
I will. Do you live in this area? I go back and forth between Vegas and here.
Vegas? Yeah. Oh.
Yeah, we had a fire here. I don't know if you heard.
And I thought, next time there's a fire, I'm going to Vegas. Really? Yeah, because I know people who, you know, we're going to Palm Springs or whatever.
And it's like, OK, well, good luck getting a hotel when everybody's bugging out. Also, I love Palm Springs.
I've been there many times. But, you know, it's nothing to do.
It's a million degrees, and it's only gay people and old people. I mean, I love both.
I love both groups of people. But Vegas, I was like, oh, no.
You know what? If I had to cool my heels in Vegas for a week, I think I could do that. It's not bad.
There's shit to do there. Yeah, you got to stay off the strip, stay out the fucking casinos.
No, that's where I wouldn't. Yeah.
What are you talking about? Why would? No. I might as well go to Palm Springs.
Yeah, OK. Why? But eventually that gets old.
Well, not great restaurants don't get old. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I wouldn't go to the club. Yeah.
I'm not going there. But, you know, there are, man, I was at, Bruno Mars has a club there.
Yeah. You know that? Yeah, it do.
It's like a lounge, right? Yes. It's great.
Do one more of these with you. Yes, because Vegas needs more things like that.
Things that are not exactly the big shows, which are great. Right, right.
But have the experience of like. But later at night.
But that's not a nightclub. Right.
I'm not going to a nightclub with a zillion decibels. Oh, my God.
Are you crazy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No.
And this was plenty loud. But you could talk.
And it was like a great live band. And it played like stuff from all eras.

You know, it wasn't just today.

That kind of stuff is what I, and you're not, you know, you're not going to get that everywhere.

No, you know, it's good, you know.

But why do you live in Vegas?

Oh, just, you know, just needed a space, really.

You know, just getting away from.

But you could have picked things. And Bernardino.
Well, it was better to go all the way to Vegas. I'm not going to be depressed on this.
Yeah. But come on, man.
I mean, if you go to Vegas, of all the places you could go, I think you want to be near the Strip sometimes. No, no, no, no.
I've had my time on the Strip. I mean, it it is.
I've had my time on the strip. Don't get it wrong.
It's fun. Well, yeah, yeah, but I've, I mean, it's time to work, you know.
Yeah, it's time to work. Well, next time I'm in Vegas.
Yes. We'll stay off the strip.
Yeah. We'll be in the train.
No. But if you, but it might.
No, I'll go, Bill, I will go hit the strip with you. Yes.
No problem. No problem.
We're going to hit the strip. Let's do it.
Great. Thank you, man.
Appreciate it, man. Thank you.
So much. All right.
X-Men, everybody. The new album drops when? March 29th.
March 29th. Yeah.
Is it February that has 28 days? Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. Thanks, sir.
Appreciate it, man. That was so much fun.
Yeah, absolutely. So much.
Yeah. And Woody Harrelson? Yes, I do.
I do. I want to come out.
I can make that happen. I want to come out of woods, man.
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