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Speaker 4 Hey, what's up, Flies? This is David Spade. Dana Carvey.
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Speaker 1 You don't get to, I don't think you really know somebody until you divorce them.

Speaker 1 What a great line.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the nightclub shooting where

Speaker 1 Sean

Speaker 1 was up. I call it a bathroom misunderstanding.

Speaker 1 Axe, what's up, brother? How are you? Well, nervous as hell because, no, just because I

Speaker 1 like I'm not sure if I brought enough firepower, the right, I don't want to disappoint you. No, no, I'm not disappointed.

Speaker 1 Well, you don't know. You haven't spoken to you.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying. I don't want to be the lame guy who brought the...
But I think this is from my store, The Woods. Okay.

Speaker 1 You know The Woods? Yes. Woody Harrelson.
I do. I do.
Woody Harrelson. You're partners in that store.
Yes, I am. Awesome.
Yeah. Don McEnroe and I are.
minority owners like I was with the Mets.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Always a minority owner, but that's good because,

Speaker 1 you know, you're not in for the downside of it.

Speaker 1 Well, I have something for you. Yes.

Speaker 1 I have a store as well. Oh, I have actually two stores.
Yeah. One in Bel Air and one in Chatsworth.
Bel-Air. Yes.
Excuse me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Exhibits West Coast cannabis. So look.
So here are. Okay, well.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Here's some shirts. Great.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Oh, thank you. Shirts.

Speaker 1 Here's some. Lovely.
Yeah, you got some hats in there.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. Well, I will wear this proudly.

Speaker 1 No, I will.

Speaker 1 There's a more merch. I think I told you once that I

Speaker 1 used your... Yes.
You know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 1 I was actually,

Speaker 1 somebody sent it to me, and it was the line where you said,

Speaker 1 in the words of exhibit, I might leave in a body bag with never ain't cuffs. Now, for people who don't know what I'm talking about, I was at the show, that sign behind you, politically incorrect.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That show was on for nine years.
Yes. I got canned, which is, you know, oh my Christ.

Speaker 1 This is heavy. That's a lot of weed.
That's a lot of weed. So

Speaker 1 if we run out of what you brought, then we have plenty. There's a lot.
Well, if we run out of what even just I bought, we'll be dead. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 1 These are from the woods, which is the, I mean, if you've never been to the woods, it's just amazing.

Speaker 1 I mean, it sounds like a pot store because it's just a pot store in the front, which is as nice as any pot store I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 And then in the back, it has these, it goes all the way back to the next street on the block, which you don't see from when you walk in.

Speaker 1 And back there, it's like a jungle and there's all these cabanas. And it's the best place to, if you want to smoke it where you bought it.
Yes. And there's no place like it.
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 I was just smoking with Woody Harrison.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 come on, man. I mean, you know, it's like getting violin lessons from Paganini.
I mean, he's...

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 He sat here and we were like literally on the, you know, like drooling. So with my bucket list items.
Woody? Yeah. Oh, I can arrange that.
Absolutely. Don't ask him twice.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, let's...
Let's fucking light up. Let's do it.
But no, for the people who are like, Bill, tell the story about what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 Okay, so when I got

Speaker 1 canned, this is back in the day when you got canceled yeah you actually got canceled like they canceled your joke

Speaker 1 and announced it yeah it wasn't a metaphor yeah

Speaker 1 you're out of a job you're fired you're canceled which is fine i had a nine-year run i i loved it it actually was a blessing in disguise because i like real-time

Speaker 1 it made more sense it was good for when i was young and immature and now i'm old and immature so you know this this suits suits me better.

Speaker 1 But so I think, how am I going to leave this nine-year trip I've been on where the show was called politically incorrect?

Speaker 1 And I got fired for doing what I did the whole time, which was speaking my mind. This is right after 9-11.
And, you know, they thought I was with the terrorists.

Speaker 1 I was just saying they weren't cowards, which you're not when you stick with the suicide mission.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Okay.
And I wouldn't retract. You know,

Speaker 1 sorry if I hurt your feelings. Right.
You know, and I did. I mean, the country was raw and maybe the timing was whatever.
But that's what the show was.

Speaker 1 So I said, what can I say?

Speaker 1 And I guess I had been listening to that song a lot at the time. I mean, I'm no expert in rap.
I do. I mean, I love your, I mean, you're.

Speaker 1 No, Bill,

Speaker 1 you are,

Speaker 1 I would say,

Speaker 1 connected to. to the culture in a way that is genuine.

Speaker 1 And look, i i watch your show uh pretty much you know what i'm saying i and i i enjoy your takes i enjoy the the the wittiness and the you see the force for the trees and you tell it how it is and i think we miss a lot of that in today's you know

Speaker 1 perfectly brewed system of stewed shit you know what i'm saying so i think it's dope that thank you yeah i think it's dope that you continue on yeah i mean i hear this all the time from uh people who you know basically are saying what you're saying which is like

Speaker 1 it's great to be an ally but

Speaker 1 being

Speaker 1 real

Speaker 1 is almost it's not better but like it's very important yeah to be real even if you don't agree yeah yeah you know and so anyway I had to find some line you know when Neil Armstrong walked on the moon now that I'm comparing my leaving politically correct with walking on the moon but he had to like come up with a line you know you can't just fucking walk on the moon and go geez that was some shit, huh?

Speaker 1 Neil Armstrong, who famously said, geez, that was some shit.

Speaker 1 So he came up with one small step for Med and one. Okay, great.
So I was like, but I'm leaving this politically incorrect and your song. And I know the whole, I don't know a lot.
I'm not Ari Melber.

Speaker 1 It's the M ⁇ M record. Yes.
Yeah. I'm not Ari Melbert.
I don't know rap songs like that, but I do know that one. And I know that whole thing.
I think it starts, well, I can't even sing it,

Speaker 1 you know i'm the head african american in charge

Speaker 1 the way

Speaker 1 i watch you move i see you're found dead in your garage with 10 o'clock news coverage um

Speaker 1 and then it's like uh you gotta love it i exposed the facade Your little lungs are too small to hot box with God. All jokes inside, come bounce with us.
Standing open you would at 12.

Speaker 1 Stage about to bust.

Speaker 1 Like ashes to ashes and dust to dust i might leave in a body bag but never in cuffs and i thought leave in a body bag you know that that's what the message i want to leave standing on standing on your principles yeah yeah well you know whatever i said at the time i may not even agree with all of it now i mean 37 year old me is is not uh or whatever i was is is not

Speaker 1 i'm almost 70.

Speaker 1 right you you you know but mostly yeah i'm pretty much the same guy absolutely and i would do the same thing i just found a network, or they found me, or it was just lucky we got together, where that was never really going to be an issue again because there were no sponsors.

Speaker 1 The show never lost its audience. It just lost the sponsors.
And in commercial TV, you can't survive without sponsors. They pay the bills.
Right, right. So anyway, what did you light up with?

Speaker 1 What did you put in there?

Speaker 1 What is in that dropper? Jing. I drink it.

Speaker 1 I do. I love it.

Speaker 1 It's a way to make diet soda without any chemicals.

Speaker 1 What do you drink? Oh, you don't drink anymore? Well, I do.

Speaker 1 What are you having? Coffee. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 You don't drink liquor. Yeah, I do.
Oh, you do? Yeah, I just, but, but, okay, so here's the thing.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 I'd say

Speaker 1 maybe

Speaker 1 eight, nine months ago, I was 268 pounds. Really? You look way down from that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And so I started eating, you know, clean, getting, going and, you know, getting rest, going to the gym, doing all that stuff.

Speaker 1 Just was really not liking what I was seeing. And so now I'm down to 220, and now I'm just drinking when there's a

Speaker 1 there's there's a reason to celebrate. That, you know what? That's almost exactly what I do.
I drink here. Yeah.
And never more than two. Yeah.
You know, when you're my age, almost seven.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, but I'm with, I'm with you, Bill, so I'm going to take a shot eventually.

Speaker 1 Great. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm going to take a shot eventually. Well, Well, let's try this one from the woods.

Speaker 1 It's Lil Woody's. Okay.
See that Lil Woody's.

Speaker 1 And it looks like it's a substitute. What is that? Like a four gram, three gram? I don't know.
Those kind of things. But I mean, Woody seems to have signed it.
It's very, very fancy. Wow.

Speaker 1 I'd almost say gay.

Speaker 1 So let's light this gay joke. Okay, let me have a gay old time.

Speaker 1 So you got a new record coming out? yeah yeah man um i haven't put out a record since 2012.

Speaker 1 so it's important for me to you know go into this knowing that i have to reintroduce myself to my fans and people who may not you know even know i'm a whole generation it wasn't even around right

Speaker 1 wow or people that just know me from doing film and tv so

Speaker 1 Kingmaker is the title of the record. And I really feel there's 20 songs on there.
we've been rolling it out um i partnered with conor mcgregor he started a record label conor mcgregor yes

Speaker 1 i i did not see that coming or no one did as a kid say i did not have that on my bingo card

Speaker 1 was the last time anybody played bingo yeah but i think it's i think it was attractive to me because there's with a first there's no level of expectation he is you know there's no real way he's rapping no he's not rapping oh yeah he just he just you know he he's he's got a group of people around him that do his investments and whatnot.

Speaker 1 And starting a label was something he really wanted to do. So he ended up, you know, getting his group together, pulled the executives in.
Yeah. And so we came in.
We're the first ones out.

Speaker 1 I think he signed Bone Thunks and Harmony. There's like a there's a diverse

Speaker 1 genre of music on the label. Bone Thunks.
Yeah, I remember them.

Speaker 1 I lost the lighter already.

Speaker 1 No, no, that's not the one I, it's. Oh, oh yeah the metal one

Speaker 1 i tell you kids don't

Speaker 1 don't smoke pot because

Speaker 1 this is what will happen to you

Speaker 1 you'll just be two washed-up celebrities getting high in there in my basement

Speaker 1 and i'm telling you oh here it is right in front of my fucking face so so that was con that's on conor mcgregor's bucket list, huh? Greenback Records.

Speaker 1 Start a record label. Yeah.
Throw a chair through a bus,

Speaker 1 start a record label.

Speaker 1 He's a bad boy. Yeah, I mean...
No, I don't dislike him. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I just would, you know, I mean,

Speaker 1 he's just a badass. He's him.

Speaker 1 Unapologetically. And I think that, you know, he's, you know, whether you love him or hate him, he shoots over people's heads.
And I think that's what we needed.

Speaker 1 to kind of get past the algorithm of, you know, ageism is in hip-hop. You get past a certain age and then they tell you you you don't belong.
It's everywhere. Right.
But especially music. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Music is like, you know, especially in hip-hop.
And, you know, they say, they describe it as a young man sport, but we're the first of our kind. Hip-hop just turned, you know, 50-some years old.

Speaker 1 So now,

Speaker 1 you know, and

Speaker 1 we're now crossing this threshold from the last shift change was going from cassette and vinyl into CDs and now streams.

Speaker 1 And so we've transcended into this new age and we're the first to actually experience this. So now it's time to, you know, figure out, you know, where do we land? What do we rap about?

Speaker 1 What do we talk about? I don't talk about any of the things that I've been doing in my 20s. So I have to make it so that it's comfortable in my skin.
Oh, I mean,

Speaker 1 they go through people's old tweets.

Speaker 1 It's you're very fortunate that they don't go through people's old raps.

Speaker 1 I'm just going to say there are some advantages, my friend. Yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 1 Sometimes you draw.

Speaker 1 They will.

Speaker 1 They will. Oh,

Speaker 1 they could. And it wouldn't be hard to find.
No. Things that are just so misogynistic.
Yeah, you can't say that shit now. I mean, Bitch Please.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Choke me, spake me, pull my hair. Like, that's one of my biggest songs.

Speaker 1 And that's the title. Yeah, that's the title.
I know. But I'm saying, bitch, please, you must have a mental disease.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 Get back down to your knees. Get back down.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Not bad enough.

Speaker 1 It's like she got up and get a glass of water, and that pissed you off.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that would not win

Speaker 1 now's man of the world. Yeah, it didn't age well.
It didn't age well.

Speaker 1 But you know what? I make this case all the time. There's an author who wrote a book about it.
He calls it presentism.

Speaker 1 It means you don't judge people

Speaker 1 by the mores of the past because people were always just different.

Speaker 1 You're not better. You just came later.

Speaker 1 You're not better than George Washington.

Speaker 1 Everybody had slaves in that era, including people of color in other parts of the world. Correct.
They did it too. They have this big argument going.
They say, well, schools aren't teaching slavery.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 I grew up in New Jersey.

Speaker 1 We did in New Jersey. Right.
Even in the 60s. Right.
You know, we did. It wasn't like the 1619 project where they defined the country, but we got the message.
It was wrong. Yeah.
And it was done.

Speaker 1 We were in the North. So it was like, oh, those assholes.
You know, whereas, of course, the North participated in the

Speaker 1 way. Of course.
Everybody was,

Speaker 1 you know, talking about an economy built on cheap labor. Yeah.
Yeah. You know, yeah, free labor.
Yeah. I'm saying

Speaker 1 that.

Speaker 1 I think,

Speaker 1 even with that conversation, I think that

Speaker 1 this, the, the, the,

Speaker 1 the after effects of leading with slavery especially in grade school and and the way we're taught and the way it was defined and the narrative was changed um

Speaker 1 yeah i i think when people feel as though they've been lied to or feel as though that they you know have been disenfranchised or you know that is definitely a feeling a real feeling you know for a lot of people oh of course yeah and i think that you know when you look at when you have a conversation about slavery and the way it's introduced to us and led to us i mean you could see i remember being in grade school and having no issues with people in you know or or racial kind of bias or whatever but as soon as those lessons started you could kind of see the mental shift in where it was the pecking order was introduced and and pecking order of amongst whom the pecking order of the mentality of of the way the white kids started looking at the black kids in the class you know what i'm saying and and vice versa.

Speaker 1 Looking at them with guilt, scorn, superiority. Who knows? Who knows? You know what I'm saying? But it was like...
See, today,

Speaker 1 it's funny because today the country is so divided and so different. In blue state areas, like here,

Speaker 1 if they introduce this topic, because the way the white kids have been brought up on this subject,

Speaker 1 they're going to be like, oh my God, we're terrible people. We're oppressors.

Speaker 1 Whereas I feel this this is wrong because kids, you didn't do it. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 You had Little League, you know, right, right, right, right.

Speaker 1 And this was many years ago. But

Speaker 1 maybe when you grow up or still in some places in the country where this

Speaker 1 subject comes up, maybe the white kids look at the black kids with scorn. Like, you know,

Speaker 1 but there is what I'm saying is that one.

Speaker 1 Whether, whether those things, whether that feeling is from there or it goes into guilt or whether it goes into something that you could tell that this was now being introduced, right?

Speaker 1 And so now you look at the systems and the things that have been, you know, I guess

Speaker 1 what

Speaker 1 we have been dealing with, you know, like from different ranges, you know, racism does exist and all that stuff, you know.

Speaker 1 But I

Speaker 1 definitely know from like the grade school onto the introduction of it.

Speaker 1 And then when you get into being an adult and you see how the, you know, disparaging differences between um being able to you know get alone or not get alone or how you identified or singled out that's a real thing you know what i'm saying so i i i think that especially in this climate it's a real thing but some of that they can measure yes and they do yes and we got to go by measurements not feelings correct like you wouldn't use the blood work in your body from 1990.

Speaker 1 you'd use it from this year correct so you could look at that lone thing was was certainly prevalent. Still might be.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 But when you look at the numbers, you know, especially in the last five years,

Speaker 1 people know that there's a real spotlight on this.

Speaker 1 There has been a real effort. Well, it's been turned up on purpose.
Of course, and it should be.

Speaker 1 But, you know,

Speaker 1 the question isn't, are there racists? Of course, there always will be on both sides, by the way.

Speaker 1 But, of course, more historically, it wasn't it was not a two-sided thing it's only recently become where yeah you could benefit

Speaker 1 as well as suffer because we divide everything racially right

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 1 the question is you know not whether there are still racists of course

Speaker 1 this word they use systemic How much is it in the system? Who is it holding back?

Speaker 1 And what are the real solutions?

Speaker 1 America got a real wake-up call where they thought DEI meant black people. It doesn't mean

Speaker 1 surprise, motherfucker. What do you mean?

Speaker 1 No, I mean, I think it was funny, but, you know, like when they started attacking the whole DEI thing,

Speaker 1 you know, black people were in like the last level of that.

Speaker 1 It affected so many people before it got to black people. No.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. DEI programs? No.
No, come on. It was there to even things out with black people.
That's what the program, diversity, equity, and inclusion.

Speaker 1 Who went first?

Speaker 1 Who jumped the line in diversity?

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, in those settings, and what they're talking about is, you know, primarily,

Speaker 1 you know, it was like women in the workplace. Oh, women.
Yeah. Well, women.
Before it got down to. But see, women don't need help in the workplace.
That's how very often we're just so far

Speaker 1 locked into previous narratives that we get involved in what I keep calling zombie lies.

Speaker 1 Like, it's a zombie lie. It was true, and then it became not true,

Speaker 1 but you keep saying it.

Speaker 1 And women, yeah, women did used to not be treated equally and like not paid as much just because they were women and were and they were weren't avenues open to them women now are leading in the workplace you know they graduate more from college they

Speaker 1 they're it's the boys who are who are lagging behind now in those areas yeah you know it's like we're not living in the world where women can't get ahead yeah yeah women i'm not saying that i'm not saying that that but i mean i just think that people were trying to generalize and then it became a like another code word to talk about black people, you know, and oh, it is that too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, no, it turned into that for sure. But it wasn't quite the silver bullet that, that, you know, they were thinking it was.
Well, they just got rid of it like three weeks ago. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 No, they did. I mean, it's, it was, yeah.
I mean,

Speaker 1 as usual in this country, Biden overdid it with DEI, and Trump is going too far in the other direction. Right.
You know,

Speaker 1 the pendulum never stopped in the middle in this country. But I think the uneducated people were thinking like, you know, J-Rock from, you know, Compton is working at NASA.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Like, Like, you're like, they just ushered him in.

Speaker 1 No, no. I don't think it's not that, but it's a lot of dumb shit going on out there.

Speaker 1 No, but there was, I think it was the University of Michigan, someplace like that, a college, which is already one of the most liberal places in the world, had something like 200 DEI officers.

Speaker 1 No, come on, man.

Speaker 1 It's like, what are they doing?

Speaker 1 What needs to be done? Uh-oh. No, I know.
It's okay. No, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1 What What is your ringtone?

Speaker 1 I just have the regular shit. I don't really change much on it.

Speaker 1 So it's not something we wouldn't expect.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, funny

Speaker 1 and Murray

Speaker 1 snowbird.

Speaker 1 No, I just, I really don't do a lot on there, man. I just get phone calls.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't either. Yeah, it's just, it's just.

Speaker 1 So what you said before that you

Speaker 1 were so interesting about the,

Speaker 1 I think, the

Speaker 1 subjects that you know

Speaker 1 are so different from what when was your first album late 90s my first album was 96 96 okay so yes wow that's I mean

Speaker 1 that's a ways that's almost 30 yeah 96 yep okay so yes and 96 I mean certainly all the the misogyny and the and like all that shit was fair game. Right.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 so what are the subjects now that have replaced it, I guess, is what I'm getting at.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 when you cut down a tree and you see the rings in it, you know, you can tell how old that tree is.

Speaker 1 When I started my records, I was kicking and screaming.

Speaker 1 I was very angry, so I was kind of... You'll hear it in your voice.
Yeah, I found a safe place, you know, for me to kick and scream and not hurt myself and others. Right.
You know,

Speaker 1 and so that was

Speaker 1 like my therapy almost. So hip-hop, I feel, saved my life.
But, you know,

Speaker 1 I was 19, 20 years old making those records. So now being able to,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 go back and listen, you could tell the environments in the, you could tell when I got paid. You could tell when I, you know, was frustrated.
You could tell when things got hard.

Speaker 1 You could tell when things were great. You could hear it in the music.
You can't, in your voice. Right.
Yes. And I think now, fast forward to 2025, the thing.
I feel like all of it. I mean,

Speaker 1 I'm sure I don't know everything you've ever done, but I heard a lot.

Speaker 1 And I feel like you're almost always.

Speaker 1 I mean, I wouldn't even say angry.

Speaker 1 I would just say forceful and energetic. Aggressive.
Aggressive. Aggressive, which is kind of what I'm asking about.

Speaker 1 When you take away some of these things, they're the things that inspire aggression. It's, you know, it's harder to have that sound if you're rapping about how great your marriage is.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think, you know, like, like, like now,

Speaker 1 I still like aggressive music.

Speaker 1 I still deliver aggressive, but I found my voice in the sense of not the tone or the projection of it, but what I'm supposed to be saying and how I'm supposed to be saying it.

Speaker 1 Like, I feel I was very doubtful.

Speaker 1 I had a lot of doubt in my early records. I didn't know

Speaker 1 I was trying to compete. I didn't really know what I was

Speaker 1 going for. I just knew the kind of music I liked to make, and I would just say what I thought, you know, sounded good.

Speaker 1 But now, when you speak with purpose and you speak with drive and you speak with conviction, um,

Speaker 1 it feels different, it lands different. It well, I hope it feels good saying it.
I hope you go to the style of this. I mean, again, no great expert, but like you're that's X.

Speaker 1 Just your

Speaker 1 is one of the greats of all time. Thank you, man.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 Just for name-checking Walter Cronkite. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But no, just that, is that Dr. Dre? Yeah, that was Dr.
Dre Scott Storch. Okay, because he has a very distinctive sound.
I always say he's this Phil Specter of rap. Yes.

Speaker 1 We call him the chairman of the board. I'm sure you should.
Quincy Jones of our generation. Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 Because he just, I mean, that sound on that record, the same sound on Bitch Please, part two. It's the same sound on the one, the great one I love that Mary J.
Blige.

Speaker 1 I mean, normally not my favorite. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Not that I don't love songs about having your period, but

Speaker 1 like the

Speaker 1 Family Affairs.

Speaker 1 Family Affairs.

Speaker 1 I bought the whole album in Bruce Boy Albums. And like, there's nothing else on that album like that record.
Except that

Speaker 1 single and then a bunch of songs like, oh, this is, but that one, dun, dun, dun, dun. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's that sound is my, well, is really as, again, someone who's heart dropping next to you. No, I mean, your ears don't lie to you.
You know, I mean, and music touches your soul.

Speaker 1 And, you know, so the frequencies that Dre knows and that he produces with and he, you know, pushes through the board are extraordinary.

Speaker 1 You know, when a chronic first came out, you never heard a record sound like that. And then you know,

Speaker 1 it became this standard that people were trying to figure out how you made everything

Speaker 1 sound the way it was. And everything, you could hear all these different sounds, but

Speaker 1 each sound had a specific place. It's crazy.
It appeals to someone like me from my era

Speaker 1 because it's melodic. Yes.

Speaker 1 And it's got that great beat.

Speaker 1 It's got something that it's, it's, to me, it's the most sophisticated kind of style because it you know it brings in me yes not all rap can yeah just just because yeah come on a 70 year old white guy yeah yeah

Speaker 1 you're 70 next year oh dude you're fucking amazing oh finish it though come on man

Speaker 1 serious it's the weed yeah yeah

Speaker 1 it's the weed and never getting married that's what it is kids

Speaker 1 i mean kids are great i'm sure i hear

Speaker 1 i i hate them but but i mean even at best you would have to admit they do suck the life out of you. They do.
They suck you of money, of time, of attention, of patience. Yes.
Right.

Speaker 1 I mean, they just must suck the life out of you. I think that's what it is for me.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I was dad at 19. My first, my oldest was born at 19.

Speaker 1 Took you so long. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Wow. Are you gay? No, no.

Speaker 1 19. Yeah.
I'm kidding. Yeah.
And then, and then, you know, know,

Speaker 1 is that a boy or a girl? It's a boy. Yeah.
He's, he's, he's almost, he's, he's 28 now. Wow.
Right. So, um.
How do you relate?

Speaker 1 I always tell him. He's just like buddies now because he's a no, no, no.
It's still very much father-son. Good.

Speaker 1 Good. And, and, uh, I always tell him, you know, when he was old enough that we always grew up together.
You know, we, we, we kind of grew up together. Um, my father was a military guy.
Oh, yeah?

Speaker 1 Yeah. So he was

Speaker 1 in the Marine Corps. Hello.
Yeah, and he did two tours in Vietnam. And then you met my mother at Michigan State.
And then we. Oh, Michigan State.
Yeah. Yeah,

Speaker 1 and then here we come, me and my sister. So, you know, my mother passed when I was nine.
She passed. And then my dad kind of...

Speaker 1 He got remarried, but it didn't really work. But for the most part, my dad raised me.
So, you know, he was... Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. He was like a single dad? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, no, he was married, but then it kind of broke up. And then, you know, so it was me and him for a while.
I'm glad he was strict.

Speaker 1 He was strict, but he was also, you know, doing the best he could with what he had. No, I'm not against strict.

Speaker 1 I always get along well with people who had military. parents, including women.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, really.

Speaker 1 I think it's because they're not brats. Right.
They just were not raised like other people. I wasn't coddled.
Not coddled. Somebody slapped the snot out of them

Speaker 1 the first time they were like a brat.

Speaker 1 And sometimes you move around a lot when the parent is military.

Speaker 1 So, you know, you kind of have to learn manners because you're always the new kid. No, that was the standard.

Speaker 1 You know, respect, you know, being able to conduct yourself with some self-discipline and, you know, just a moral compass that a lot of my friends didn't have.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 it was dope to be able to

Speaker 1 have that relationship with him. It was kind of tight when we were kids.
But then when I started making music and started doing shit with my life, and you know,

Speaker 1 he was worried about me, but we turned it around and did something though. So we had a really great relationship up until he passed.
And so I have that relationship with my, with, with my,

Speaker 1 there's always been boundaries and respect. And, you know, I wasn't as hard on him as my dad was was on me, but

Speaker 1 those principles are still there. And I believe that.
You know,

Speaker 1 it had to happen that way. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, he must be very proud. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He was.

Speaker 1 I mean, what do the kids say when you, who's your father? Exhibit. No, really.

Speaker 1 Really? Come on. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, that's cooler than

Speaker 1 most kids have to offer.

Speaker 1 Now, are you hoping he'll become a Nepo baby? Oh, man.

Speaker 1 Come on. No,

Speaker 1 he actually

Speaker 1 was doing music for a while. He still does music.
But I told him he can't be a starving artist. You have to work until your dreams come true.
You can't just chase your dreams and just

Speaker 1 wing it. You know, you have to do something.
Right.

Speaker 1 And so, because

Speaker 1 my kids aren't built like me, I was out there crash test dummy, you know, in the street. And so I don't want that for my children.
I don't want them to experience that.

Speaker 1 I don't want them to have any parts of that. So they're going to have different challenges.
And I welcome those, you know, yeah, because they're going to be nothing like the ones I had. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And kids need to be challenged and they need to, and they need to learn that failure happens. Yeah.
You know, you.

Speaker 1 You only do them no favors when you prevent them from experiencing that all through childhood because it's going to happen at some point in life. At some point, you're not even going to be there.

Speaker 1 But even before that, you know,

Speaker 1 this just, I mean, look, I guess every generation looks back at the younger generation and says this.

Speaker 1 But by God, it just seems true that they just are not tough.

Speaker 1 No, they come from the immediate gratification entitlement feeling. And I always tell my boys,

Speaker 1 my biggest fear is I leave this planet without you all knowing how to provide for yourself. So you'll always be looking for a handout or help or push.

Speaker 1 I want you to be driven and I want you to follow through on things. You know, whether I help you or not.

Speaker 1 My job is to make sure that you know how to get up, lace up your fucking boots, and

Speaker 1 get kicking at the day.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 you know, I try to show that by example, you know, and there's other ways I get around it, but I try to get the message where it's not forced. So does that point of view come through on the record?

Speaker 1 Absolutely. Really? Absolutely.
I think there's a lot of mindless music out now. There's a lot of fluff.
Always has been. Yeah, always has been, but now I think there's...

Speaker 1 there's a direct concentration of what's focused on and what's available and accessible.

Speaker 1 You know, when you go from people physically putting on clothes and jumping in their cars and going to a record store and picking up an album having that physical experience with it um has been changed so now yeah you know the scrolling the

Speaker 1 able to pick through a record and you know really not have to leave your whatever you're doing you can kind of get any record in the world and then it's all boiled down to this you know these couple streaming services squeezing out the mom and pop squeezing out the that experience so now you know you're boiled down to what's happening on your phone and a live experience.

Speaker 1 And, you know,

Speaker 1 it's sad to

Speaker 1 the attention span of the audience is a lot shorter. And during the live show,

Speaker 1 it's also the phone. Yeah, they're holding up the phone, not even having the experience that they paid to see.
That to me is frightening.

Speaker 1 I watched the Taylor Swift concert because Nikki Glazer was here and she made me

Speaker 1 insisted

Speaker 1 that I was missing something.

Speaker 1 Spoiler alert, I am not.

Speaker 1 But that doesn't mean I don't think she's a great admirer. I mean, just you got to just, the level of success is just astounding.

Speaker 1 But so I watched it. No, I'm sorry, I don't get the music.
But

Speaker 1 everybody, every song, when they show the crowd, when they pan out to the crowd, or when you see the crowd behind, it's almost all just through phones.

Speaker 1 I mean, you see the light in the phone and i'm just thinking well we have kind of passed this ai

Speaker 1 point

Speaker 1 kurt ray kurzwell wrote that book years ago and he said 2028 i think he called it the i forget the reckoning or something where it meant um this is the moment when humans and machines

Speaker 1 sort of merge. Merge.

Speaker 1 And we're kind of there in a lot of of ways. You know, we're the phone is the sort of bridge to that moment.
And he, I mean, and look, we have machine parts in us already.

Speaker 1 But that one. Not that one.
So, so, so

Speaker 1 I've kind of watched this thing go from like a

Speaker 1 landline with a rotary phone and then it turned into the handheld and then it turned into this now.

Speaker 1 Do you remember the brick mobile phones? Yes. Yeah, it did.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was a big deal. And then that thing.
And then there's the cell phone.

Speaker 1 But that's not a smartphone, a dumb cell phone. Right.
The flip phones, the pagers. This thing has literally unplugged itself from the wall, crawled over to us and fucking connected to us.

Speaker 1 And that wouldn't, right now it's a physical connection because we can put it up and put it down. But now that thing is on, when it jumped to the Apple Watch, I was like, oh, they got us.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 why do you, you don't know? I don't. No, meaning you.
No.

Speaker 1 That's a me.

Speaker 1 No way. Fuck that.
Oh, I'm going to check my watch to see what's on my phone. Like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 How many steps do you need to put in it? No, no. It's just part of the crawling process.

Speaker 1 You're right that it's still there, but it's sort of also not.

Speaker 1 It's almost connected to their hand. I think they did a poll.

Speaker 1 Yes, I'm sure they did because I think we did a joke about it where like one in 10 Gen Z said they would like cut off a finger before they couldn't hold or something like that. They like literally,

Speaker 1 we're moving toward that.

Speaker 1 And I think I told this story recently here, but forgive me if you know it.

Speaker 1 Somebody I know has a kid sister who... uh first boyfriend they're like 17 they go to sleep at night not in the same bedroom but with the phone on all night on

Speaker 1 like, you know, FaceTime. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 This is. That's shit ever.

Speaker 1 That is true. To us, it is.
But to them, it is not.

Speaker 1 And just on the subject of moving. toward this

Speaker 1 singularity. That's the name of the book.
Singularity. When we become one with the machines.

Speaker 1 And this guy was right about a lot of things like when the soviet union would fall and um i think he's got it pretty close yeah you know i mean we are and it could happen before then yeah

Speaker 1 well

Speaker 1 you talk about the chip the the uh well the process the processor just

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 1 you know it starts with the calculator a calculator i mean we didn't have those when i was in school but that's why you had to learn your multiplication technique right and then you now everybody has a cat.

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't think the kids can do it because they don't need to. Why would you? Right.
You have it right there. You could just say, sir, what's six times four? You know, whatever it is.

Speaker 1 But if I take your phone, you can't do shit. Right.
But that's the singularity. You are

Speaker 1 one. I mean, that Google Glasses are kind of that.
Yeah, that's another thing. The watching the glasses.
They're on us now. They're on you.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're becoming part of you. Yes.
And again, watching the concert, everybody, why can't they just watch Taylor Swift? Why do you need to see her through a phone? Because

Speaker 1 you've given up

Speaker 1 the ability and the choice to use your memory. Instead, this is better.

Speaker 1 I don't have to remember it. Now I could just have it forever.
Whoever fucking watches a concert back on their phone? Nobody.

Speaker 1 Well, the thing is now, attention is the new drug, in my opinion. You're right.
Attention is the new drug. And people want

Speaker 1 to be judged by their experiences and what they portray on Facebook and TikTok and IG. And, you know, it's pretty interesting to see, you know, people have

Speaker 1 this life that they can project to the world. And then, you know, it may be a total different thing, but everybody wants to project the TV show.
It's like everybody's on a Truman show now.

Speaker 1 You know, like literally, like people get up to

Speaker 1 themselves and show. I can't do that.
I don't, even though I do music and I go do things for entertainment, I don't like the attention.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're from a different era

Speaker 1 where we want this

Speaker 1 bright wall between public and private. Right.
They don't. Right.

Speaker 1 Like I want I want to say goodnight and then go in the door and like not have it on, you know? Sometimes I take off my super suit. Right.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 no they don't get that yeah that's not even desirable right which is why sometimes that generation doesn't fight for free speech for privacy

Speaker 1 because the the great sin is not losing privacy the great sin is losing publicity hell yeah everything everything everything is is is needs to be projected i hate that i i i think it's weird um

Speaker 1 i don't want to to know. You know what I'm saying? Like people splurring all kinds of personal shit on me.
I hate that. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Do you think your kids have been captured by that mentality?

Speaker 1 I think my youngest spends a lot of time on that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 But his whole friend's circle are

Speaker 1 in that.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 you know, it's tough. It's tough because I know there's going to be a lot of deprogramming that needs to happen

Speaker 1 once he grows out of that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, I think you're the man to do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm here. I'm the man to do it.
Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 1 I will be. No, I know you will.
Yeah. And you're not married?

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 take a big hit on that one.

Speaker 1 You're not. You are.
I am in the middle, or no, I'm at the end

Speaker 1 of a very rough divorce.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Is there any other kind of

Speaker 1 it's been going on for four years

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 that is a long time. Yeah, you don't get to, you don't get to, I don't think you really know somebody until you divorce them.

Speaker 1 What a great line.

Speaker 1 No, really.

Speaker 1 That's

Speaker 1 How did nobody ever say that before?

Speaker 1 And I've never been married, but that so rings true because I sure have lived through divorces with every male friend I've ever had. Yeah.
And some of the females. You don't know.

Speaker 1 But you don't know somebody until you divorce. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you ever see the movie Marriage Story?

Speaker 1 It was a Netflix movie. It's with Adam Driver.
Yes, yes, I did see that. Adam Driver and Scarlett Johansson.
I mean,

Speaker 1 I thought it was brilliant.

Speaker 1 It really should be called divorce movie because it's about a couple that's married. And then as soon as the movie starts,

Speaker 1 they seem happy at first and then the divorce starts. And, you know, it all starts, and I feel the movie rang true with people because it's the way it is.

Speaker 1 It starts with, okay, once you get over the, we're splitting up, then they go through this phase of, let's be civil about it.

Speaker 1 And little by little, it's a back and forth. You know, they get a lawyer who blah, blah, blah.
And then, oh, okay, well, if you're going to fight that way,

Speaker 1 until they have that scene, it's one of the most riveting scenes I've ever seen in a movie where it just builds over 10 minutes.

Speaker 1 They're divorced, and she comes over to his apartment, which, of course, he doesn't really want to be living in a small apartment, but he has to because of the settlement.

Speaker 1 And it starts out very civil.

Speaker 1 Can you take the kids on this weekend? Oh, I would, but blah, blah, blah. And it just builds to, I forgot to, you know,

Speaker 1 the nastiest i hope you get hit by a bus yeah

Speaker 1 and uh not that i needed another reason not to get married but yeah

Speaker 1 i saw that it's like that people can be that

Speaker 1 bad to each other

Speaker 1 and and and and and you know i i think you know when when when when things go out the window uh

Speaker 1 and boundaries are crossed and

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 1 you know you

Speaker 1 saying things you can't come back from, you know,

Speaker 1 it's

Speaker 1 it sucks, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 I don't know if I'd ever get married again, you know.

Speaker 1 Um, I, I, I am with someone, but not married, you know. And

Speaker 1 I think that's, I think that's, that's safe to say. You know, if, if, if you, if you fuck with me, you'll be in the wheel, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 Well.

Speaker 1 Like, I mean, fuck it. I'm going to know at that point.

Speaker 1 You know, the next line in that hook you sang there was like, wasn't it about shooting with Puff? Yes. Yes.
Whatever happened to him?

Speaker 1 What's he doing now, Puff Daddy? Puff Daddy? Yeah.

Speaker 1 But that's who you were referring to. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 the nightclub shooting where

Speaker 1 Sean John was that.

Speaker 1 I call it a bathroom misunderstanding.

Speaker 1 I don't know if we need to call it a shot. It's a nightclub shooting.
Like, I was online. I thought it was the other line.

Speaker 1 That happens all the time. Nightclubs are funny places.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's got quite a bit going on. Did you ever go to one of those parties?

Speaker 1 Well, it's a yes or no question, sir. Well, okay, so look, look, I was invited and I was there for like an hour and then

Speaker 1 I had to leave. Because?

Speaker 1 Well, I just, you know, it was,

Speaker 1 I think it was the person I came with.

Speaker 1 So, you know, it didn't work out. It ended up being a good thing.
We were in and out of there. So.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess you don't know someone until you've been to a free call.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's not as good as your thing about divorce. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 No, it's true. You know, you get to know, you don't really, we all live in a very high civilization, especially if you look through history.
I mean, my God,

Speaker 1 people take for granted everything we have. I mean, the phone, we're mocking it, but I mean, it is a pretty amazingly great thing when you want to order food or just call somebody or just texting.

Speaker 1 I think about all the time I wasted in my life having to make a phone call and then chit-chat.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for the bullshit for like 10 minutes and then to get to the point and then another 10 minutes to talk about shit. And

Speaker 1 it was like what you had to do with your drug dealer.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You had to like pretend.

Speaker 1 I know exactly what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit. Absolutely correct.
That's when I was first out of college, trying to start my life in the clubs as a comedian, you know, barely getting on stage, certainly not making any money from it.

Speaker 1 I was a pot dealer.

Speaker 1 I had, I had this, I was, I lucked into a connection. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Was it with that pressed, the press stuff, or was it like buds? Pressed, I never, there was one time that what college, when I was a pot dealer in college, that's where I got

Speaker 1 our dealer and the college dealer. Yeah, somebody dealers.

Speaker 1 He once got us acapoco gold. Wow.
I mean, we sold whatever he told us.

Speaker 1 We were the lowest man on the totem pole. But, you know, I went from never smoking to selling it in six months because it was the only way I could afford it.
It'll do that.

Speaker 1 I remember buying a pound and then dividing it into 17

Speaker 1 ounces.

Speaker 1 I see what you did.

Speaker 1 I would call that the head tag. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So who's going to weigh their thing? So it's a little less. Right, right.

Speaker 1 But it was a great business yeah, but Acapulco Gold came in a brick I can see it and it was gold Yeah, it was gold Yeah, and I've tried to find it ever since I couldn't

Speaker 1 and it was different Yes, I mean it was awesome. It was light there was something about Acapulco Gold.
Yeah. So if anyone out there you know how to go to contact me, but

Speaker 1 why don't we ever see Acapulco Gold? I think those, I mean, you got to think back in the day,

Speaker 1 you know, they had the, they had sativas and whatnot when they started cross-breeding them. And then remember, it was just stress and chronic.
That was the only two types of weed, especially out here

Speaker 1 in California. Then the Kush came along, and that was the first one with a name.
And then it became all these other things.

Speaker 1 I think that when people started growing indoors and really cultivating and going at it, that became like the boutique. That became like the top tier.

Speaker 1 And so the press weed that was getting sent over from, you know, wherever it was coming from,

Speaker 1 it just seeks to

Speaker 1 the taste. The people didn't want that.
That was stressed. We don't want that.

Speaker 1 You know, so eventually it phased out because now the more they produced the indoor and people, that was up for demand, it kind of squeezed out the bullshit strains. All right.

Speaker 1 Well, there was nothing bullshit about Acapulco Gold.

Speaker 1 I really feel there should be like a section in the.

Speaker 1 What am I saying? I own a pod star. Okay.
I'm going to get this done tomorrow. Find the strain.
Somebody has it somewhere. Well, I think there should be a whole movement toward like pot classic.

Speaker 1 Tie stick, another pot classic.

Speaker 1 Remember this strain from 1978?

Speaker 1 The Binges were on the charts, and the people who were smoking.

Speaker 1 Red herring.

Speaker 1 Right. Panama Red.
That's another one. Yes.
Panama Red. Yeah, that's real.
Acapoco Gold. Yes.
And tie stick.

Speaker 1 And remember the tie stick came with a little string around. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
It was like, oh. I never got into that.
It didn't work for me. I was just like, yeah.
Tie stick? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Maybe I had somebody gave me some bullshit because I just never had a great experience with it. Right.
I don't remember it being special. I remember the Acapulco Gold being special.

Speaker 1 So then when I got out of college, I was first living in New York. I just lucked into a high school friend introduced i

Speaker 1 was i don't know i don't know why i can't remember why but this guy who lived in connecticut and i think like his brother or something must have been in the mob and got him like like like like for free yeah because it was like a really great price

Speaker 1 and i would take the train from grand central up to Connecticut, a town, a very tony town in Connecticut. I won't say which one.
Get off at the train station.

Speaker 1 I was carrying a briefcase, which I was going to take the two pounds of pot back in.

Speaker 1 Stupidly, like I was, I was dressed like the bum I was, and I had this like businessman's briefcase, thinking I wouldn't stick out,

Speaker 1 you know. So, and I would walk from the train station, it was like a mile and a half to his house, and I would just really want to get the pot, give him my

Speaker 1 turn around and go.

Speaker 1 But you had to make

Speaker 1 the conversation

Speaker 1 He was a nice guy.

Speaker 1 Well, what do you want to talk about? He was kind of a hippie. He had a wife who was kind of like busting his balls for smoking too much.

Speaker 1 I remember once

Speaker 1 she was like, he was like saying to her, she was like standing in the kitchen, saying,

Speaker 1 I swear to God, I haven't had any today.

Speaker 1 And she said, I can see it on your teeth.

Speaker 1 Like a stock.

Speaker 1 So you got to watch Edith and Archie go back and forth while you're talking about it. No, but I'm just saying, you're a pretty big pothead if they can see it on your teeth.

Speaker 1 But you did have like a little luck at the end of that, some like ash or some shit. It's like, you know, I can see the pots.

Speaker 1 But that kind of saved my bacon in those early years. You know, I mean, I needed,

Speaker 1 the only way I could have had even the shitty apartment I had.

Speaker 1 Because comedians don't make money, right? I'm sure nobody, I mean, no, I mean, it's the same thing. What did you make? Mixtapes at first? No, I never made a mixtape, and I never made a demo.

Speaker 1 When I came here, I came, I was born in Detroit. I lived in New Mexico, Albuquerque, for like seven years.
Wow. And then from there, I came to California.

Speaker 1 And when I got to California, that's where I first met

Speaker 1 King T and the Alcoholics. They were the first people I met with record deals.
And they took me King T and the Alcoholics. Oh, not actual alcoholics.
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 No, it's a group called the Alcoholics.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's putting your tits on the glass.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'll take a shot for that.

Speaker 1 Salute. Oh, great to see you.
Yeah, absolutely. Here you go.

Speaker 1 Salute. Okay.
Thank you so much for coming, brother. I was so looking forward to this all week.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. And I don't know where it was when I

Speaker 1 feel like the only other time I saw you was when I told you about the thing I told you about tonight, you know, that I used your line there.

Speaker 1 And I don't know when that was, but that probably was almost 20 years ago or something. Yeah.
I mean,

Speaker 1 we're still here, man.

Speaker 1 Knockwood. I don't know.
It's still early tonight. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah, but, you know, like I

Speaker 1 wouldn't trade even this age because I'm just smarter and don't make so many stupid mistakes.

Speaker 1 And that makes up even, I think, I don't know, if I could spend a day in my 30-year-old body, maybe I'd be like, oh, no, I forgot how awesome it is to me.

Speaker 1 But I don't feel like I basically do anything that differently than I ever did. You know, I could I still run around and you know, this stuff is

Speaker 1 that may end tomorrow or something. And I'm sure I don't run as as fast.

Speaker 1 But the bigger difference I feel is in my mind. Yes.

Speaker 1 You know, and you're just, you're just so stupid.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You're just so stupid.
Yeah. Wasted a lot of time, resources.
Just

Speaker 1 wasted time, bad decisions.

Speaker 1 Horrible decisions. But those are the best ones, though.
You know what I'm saying? Especially if you can learn from them.

Speaker 1 I don't know what you're saying. Every choice comes with an invoice.
Right. And so we.

Speaker 1 yeah, so we, we, we have to understand that, you know, my dad used to tell me there's, you have to suffer the natural and logical consequences for your behavior. Um, and

Speaker 1 I knew some of these things

Speaker 1 I wasn't supposed to be doing, but it was like, I'm going to try it because I might have a different outcome. He don't know what he's talking about.

Speaker 1 After about a 150,000 of those, oh, he knew what he was talking about. You kind of like fall into, you a different type of mind state.
Now,

Speaker 1 when you first touch money, like when I first touched money,

Speaker 1 I did all the things that I exactly the opposite of what I was supposed to do. We got a car, we got a watch, we got a chain, we got this and that

Speaker 1 for the for

Speaker 1 the appearance of success without actually being in the black, you know, right? Yeah, and so

Speaker 1 it was uh, it was a learning curve everybody does everybody does it i mean yeah and also

Speaker 1 somebody once said this and i keep trying to remember who the celebrity was but whoever he is out there please tell me somebody said when you become famous you get a year to act like an asshole yeah now i may have taken two i i i may have taken 10.

Speaker 1 you know

Speaker 1 i may have done 10.

Speaker 1 yeah yeah yeah i may have two rocket fuel you know you know people understand, like, that shit is great. It's a great feeling.
You know, it is a great feeling.

Speaker 1 Also, there's sometimes some bitterness because of like who held you back or didn't believe in you. There's a little chip on your shoulder about, oh, you know, you didn't let me in this club.

Speaker 1 You know, now you have to. Yeah, exactly.
Not that, I mean, I never started any shit. Yeah.
I mean, I wasn't in. the club with Puff.
Yeah, yeah. About to bust.

Speaker 1 Me either.

Speaker 1 It was a great line, line, you know? It was. But you weren't there that night.
No, hell no. Yeah, no.
You were just friendly. I've actually been kind of unscathed.

Speaker 1 As a hip-hop artist, there's, it can be a lot of crash landings, you know, but I've, I've, I've, I've relatively been, you know, really true to character and that speaks volumes and, and allows me to walk in a lot of doors.

Speaker 1 And I haven't had a lot of that. kind of stuff.
Once I'd left that stuff behind as a kid and I got into a professional setting,

Speaker 1 some people don't know how to read the room.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. You sure don't.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was able to understand that my environment was changing.
Right. These people don't, you know,

Speaker 1 you can't, we're not here on the block. You know what I'm saying? Like, we're here to do business and make sure that we are building something.
You have to grow age-wise with your audience.

Speaker 1 Your core audience is aging.

Speaker 1 The audience that you started with when they were very young, they want to love you because there's an emotional connection when you connect at that young age.

Speaker 1 The first song you got laid to, you know, is always going to be party with your friends to this. This is what you're saying.
This was on your ringtone.

Speaker 1 This is what you grew up with. This is part of your DNA.
And I get that. But I also, you know, when making this record, I wanted to not only

Speaker 1 have a transfer of information. These are the I, these are the ideals.
These are the the the the self-discipline

Speaker 1 These are the motives.

Speaker 1 These are you know the way I operate the moral compass I use all this is kind of built into the album calling it kingmaker So now I'm handing this over to people who are willing to listen and now you can do with it what you will

Speaker 1 And that's the the image behind Kingmaker. It has it has nothing to do with me sitting on the throne or feeling like a royalty like this is like serious.
Yeah. That's not what a king maker is.
Right.

Speaker 1 That's the king. Right.
The king maker. Yeah.
You know, that's the guy behind the throne.

Speaker 1 But that's what I'm saying. I think the listener is who I'm trying to empower.
Right. So that's why I say here are the tools.
You know, I don't want to be king. You know, I want to be a soldier.

Speaker 1 Soldiers kill kings.

Speaker 1 So explain this to me as someone who maybe should know this, but

Speaker 1 I'm just, you know, I love that I can talk to you as frankly as I can.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't get the Kendrick Lamar-Drake feud. What I don't get is

Speaker 1 like,

Speaker 1 what?

Speaker 1 Why? Did I stop? No.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 What's so funny? I feel like you're laughing at me. And I know.

Speaker 1 With me?

Speaker 1 I am laughing. Near me.
Yes.

Speaker 1 You're laughing near me.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
I just think it's the way that you brought. I was expecting like that was a left turn like a motherfucker.

Speaker 1 When I told HBO I was doing a podcast or asked,

Speaker 1 I said, it'd be nothing like a real time. I will never plan anything.
Yeah. And I've lived up to that pledge, believe me.
Okay, what don't you understand about it? Okay.

Speaker 1 So I forget why this brought to my mind, but whatever you said,

Speaker 1 what I don't understand is... Okay, Kenrick Lamar, I'm not going to pretend that I really know his music at all.
Understood, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's not kind kind of like the kind that I was describing. I think that's more melodic, you know.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So, but what I get

Speaker 1 is that, you know, he's sort of the great tribune of social justice at the moment. Like, he's taken more, he's more serious.
He won a Nobel Prize. Right.
Right. Okay.

Speaker 1 So he's not rapping about the booty. I'm going to, I mean, I'm sure they're not going to give you a

Speaker 1 Nobel Prize for booty. You're right.
You know, booty wraps.

Speaker 1 Booty wraps.

Speaker 1 Am I wrong about that? You're absolutely correct.

Speaker 1 So I was like, okay, well, here's this great Nobel Prize-winning

Speaker 1 poet of social justice.

Speaker 1 But his obsession is to have a fight with another rapper if social justice is really that big an issue. That is a super, that is a,

Speaker 1 that is such, that is such a super

Speaker 1 look at

Speaker 1 the perception that, that, that that is from where you're at right

Speaker 1 okay so

Speaker 1 i'm trying to i'm trying to figure out how to explain this to you in the in the best way you can understand it okay

Speaker 1 okay so so um

Speaker 1 there's uh

Speaker 1 drake is is is is um

Speaker 1 the empire Okay,

Speaker 1 and Kendrick is Luke Skywalker.

Speaker 1 There was David and Goliath. I know very little about Star Wars, I'm telling you right now.
Okay, fuck. Okay, there's a Democrats and then there's a Republican.

Speaker 1 I get it that Drake is

Speaker 1 sort of the softer one. And he's more than no,

Speaker 1 I wouldn't say softer.

Speaker 1 I think that

Speaker 1 I would explain like this. Drake was...
for a decade, if not more,

Speaker 1 arguably the largest selling.

Speaker 1 Oh, yes yeah no you know his his his presence his presence in in in the music and the world and you know it was huge and did not he also even more important perhaps change

Speaker 1 um what was fashionable in rap made it a little more emo uh yeah yeah he brought a lot of he he he he he he made a lot of records for women and you know those ballads and and keeping that fan base young and and energized And, you know, like

Speaker 1 he became really, you know,

Speaker 1 a different guy from the way he started. Right.
Was he a certified lover boy or was that grandfather? I have no idea about what he's doing with

Speaker 1 his boy.

Speaker 1 You know, no, that'll sound right. But I don't know.

Speaker 1 But I never saw anything that proved he was a pedophile. There's been no court.
There's been nobody brought any case against him.

Speaker 1 Obviously, it's possible, especially in the music industry, but I guess it's possible for anybody. Right.
And so to

Speaker 1 like, it's maybe it's maybe it's well known within the industry.

Speaker 1 There's a clip of

Speaker 1 but it's of like him talking to a 14-year-old girl on the stage and that was suspect. And then, you know, it was stage? On the stage.
And we hear what he's saying. Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you hear what he's saying. What is it? Come back to my room? No, I wouldn't say that.

Speaker 1 Well, we heard it what is it i i don't remember what it is i just know that's where that that comes from that that clip well i and then he was talking to the it must have been something it yeah i don't think it was what are your opinions on the dawnbox no no i just don't it was something that made your eyebrow raise okay right and then he was talking to the millie bobby brown girl about relationship shit and you know it's just you know it and people like to run with things right so really it started from you know a feature you know, and

Speaker 1 we'll probably never know when Jab started or whatever, but it boiled over into this thing where it became this David and Goliath moment.

Speaker 1 And what you're seeing and why people are celebrating it so much is that this big, huge machine. And, you know, and this so-called, you know, rapper from Compton that,

Speaker 1 yes, he has success, but he's not as big as

Speaker 1 hardly David. Right.
Right. Well, well, I mean, yeah, well, compared to what

Speaker 1 the way you view shit. Sure.
Right. And the perception.
Again, this is all about opinion. Everyone's always rooting for the rebel against the mainstream guy.
Right. Somebody has to be the man.

Speaker 1 Somebody has to be the establishment. Right.
Or else it's no fun. Right.
You know, who are you going to shake your fist at?

Speaker 1 But it just seemed.

Speaker 1 But it blew up and it turned into something that, you know,

Speaker 1 because

Speaker 1 he kept taking records about.

Speaker 1 And he

Speaker 1 never stopped singing it. No.

Speaker 1 And he sang it at the super bowl and like you know it's just it i thought i thought well he's definitely not going to sing it at the super bowl he made his point um no he sound he he did that oh i understand how i sound but i thought he i thought he would say to himself you know i've made my point it's just gonna it's just gonna look like overkill but no it was like let's have some overkill okay i again

Speaker 1 it's I would not want to be someone who, if I was innocent of this crime, because it's a pretty serious thing to level at somebody. You kind of have to really know for sure, don't you? No.

Speaker 1 Are you kidding? This is, I'm not going to. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
No, I understand. Pedophile? But no, no, listen.
Listen. This is a rap battle.
Yes. This is not, you know,

Speaker 1 testimony or deposition. You know what I'm saying? This is a fucking rap battle.
I'm going to talk about your mama. I'm going to talk about your daddy.
I'm going to talk about your children.

Speaker 1 I'm going to talk about everything. I'm going to talk about your grandma's wooden leg.
I'm going to talk about your missing teeth.

Speaker 1 It's all game, right?

Speaker 1 So, you know, like

Speaker 1 we're pretty savvy enough to say, like, if there was something weird going on, then there would definitely be people that will come forward and testify and do that.

Speaker 1 And then people will be charged for that. But when you're playing the dozens

Speaker 1 and I give you one that hurts your feelings, Right. You know, don't be the guy who wants to fight because I got a good joke.
You understand? You know what I'm saying? That's quite a joke.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 when you're in a rap battle,

Speaker 1 the option is to

Speaker 1 either bow out gracefully or to come back with something harder. Right.

Speaker 1 So you're saying we're not for the suit?

Speaker 1 No, there's no suing it. Well, Drake sued his own record company.
Yeah, I understand.

Speaker 1 But he's basically saying that you did something for someone else that you used to do for me, and here's how I know.

Speaker 1 Say that again? You're doing the same thing that you're doing for him, you used to do for me, and I'm blowing the whistle now. I see.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're boosting this and boosting that. What do I mean?

Speaker 1 I think. But there's that.

Speaker 1 That's not true. Like, the world loves that song, you know? Okay, but does it not

Speaker 1 my question is, does it not

Speaker 1 leave one with the impression

Speaker 1 that maybe

Speaker 1 things aren't so bad if we can divert our attention to this seemingly internecine battle

Speaker 1 between

Speaker 1 two rappers that really is,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 just performing it.

Speaker 1 It's just it was like people get into it all the time in hip-hop, but that was significant because now we have

Speaker 1 this thing,

Speaker 1 this thing in hip-hop. It was like, you know, is it skill over success?

Speaker 1 Is it the money versus

Speaker 1 the culture?

Speaker 1 These things have never had the opportunity to clash because it was always overshadowed by the profit,

Speaker 1 by the money that was made. So, it didn't matter what your opinion was, but now we have somebody that really doesn't,

Speaker 1 you know, live

Speaker 1 in the same lane. They're big, right? But is it culture versus you know,

Speaker 1 you know, capitalism? Is it, is it, is it, is it, um, is it, is it, is it real hip-hop, quote unquote, versus commercial hip-hop? Or it was like a heavyweight fight.

Speaker 1 So, will there be further publicity hate to be made out of a rapprochement?

Speaker 1 Listen. Don't you think? I think the people that

Speaker 1 turn into, that tune into

Speaker 1 part two and part three of different boxing matches,

Speaker 1 as long as if they keep going at each other, what I'm pretty sure to be subliminally and

Speaker 1 on and on and on.

Speaker 1 you know, and and

Speaker 1 hopefully, you know, it stays entertainment. You know,

Speaker 1 whatever lost to whatever, that's new territory for me. I've never seen that before.
I'm anxious to see how it pans out as well. You know, but why introduce that to

Speaker 1 the gladiator arena? You know, like,

Speaker 1 come on, dude. You know.
People do like gladiators. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 They're in a fight, bro.

Speaker 1 They just remade the movie. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 They did.

Speaker 1 No, I mean, that's what most movies are. Some very.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Why are they remaking all of the classics? Like, like, I would love to see something new, you know. But then, you know, you see it on Netflix, and this is

Speaker 1 the same thing happened to music when they, you know, CDs were bootlegged. You, I mean, I feel like I remember a record of yours where you, and this

Speaker 1 is really a long time ago, 20, you know, again, that 20-year period, where you were saying hip-hop is hollow. Yes.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 okay, so what year was that?

Speaker 1 It was like back the way it was.

Speaker 1 Back to the way it was. Back to the way it was.
Yeah, yes, yes, yes. Back to the way it was.
And it was, I feel like you said hip-hop was hard. Yeah, yeah.
And that was the theme of it.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 why? Because it had, I feel like that's when it

Speaker 1 got harder. So you blew in the face, but you can never ever take my place.
Yes. Yes, I remember that.
Because right now, hip-hop is hollow with no substance. X-Men with the roughness.

Speaker 1 Because sex to suck sometimes. And many of us, the way we act, we even lost our minds.
Yes, I remember that. Well, so

Speaker 1 what's your feeling on that 20 years on? Like, was that of that moment? Or

Speaker 1 did we get it? Did you get it back?

Speaker 1 I feel like I'm a hip-hop purist.

Speaker 1 And when I say purist, I mean I believe in the five elements of hip-hop.

Speaker 1 I believe in, you know, the graffiti, breakdancing, MC, DJ.

Speaker 1 I've never heard that there were five. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's one more. There's one more.
I'm tripping.

Speaker 1 I guess fashion. Yeah, fashion.
How ironic. The one we forgot.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 All of those. Weed is pretty important.
Absolutely. It's part of the culture.

Speaker 1 But weed has been part of music forever, right?

Speaker 1 Like, even the blues, the jazz singers

Speaker 1 are like, yeah, they all all had

Speaker 1 a forever show.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 I don't know if Mozart was. Yeah, he probably got high.

Speaker 1 It was kind of crazy to begin with. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 But they used to do cocaine freely back then. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it was like medicine.
I don't think in Europe in the 17th century they were doing cocaine.

Speaker 1 I could be wrong. Maybe they got that blow got into Europe.
I don't think so. I think that's because I think it was all.
They didn't have cocaine.

Speaker 1 But I don't think it was grown grown in the Middle East, which was which.

Speaker 1 Maybe they had like opium or something. Yes.
No, they had, well, they different things.

Speaker 1 Well, first of all, in Islam, you know, drug use,

Speaker 1 you don't go to rehab. You go to

Speaker 1 Pyrex.

Speaker 1 They don't, you know, there's no in-between.

Speaker 1 Very harsh.

Speaker 1 But in Africa, they,

Speaker 1 East Africa, I think mostly they cot. Do you ever hear that? It's K-H-A-T, cot.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's a lot like cocaine. Like they give it to the soldiers to chew before they go into battle, gonna get you.

Speaker 1 You know, like cocaine in the same sense of if you just chew the cocoa leaf, it's not the kind of high we know from cocaine. You know, it's cool, but it's not that shitty, fuzzy, talk to me,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 Thank God it wasn't a cocaine addict, because you definitely don't want to have to talk to the cocaine dealer.

Speaker 1 The pot dealer is bad enough, but not the one on cocaine. You'll be there for three hours.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 no, they,

Speaker 1 I mean, every part of the world, yes, I think has something that makes you high. You know, I mean, the Romans said wine, women, and song.
And I think

Speaker 1 sex, drugs, and rock and roll

Speaker 1 is like

Speaker 1 2,000 years later. Yeah, they go hand in hand, and the music has always been there, you know?

Speaker 1 Yes, I'd have to, I don't know what to do with myself, find something to do if I couldn't have music in my life. I think a lot of people feel the same way.

Speaker 1 We all like different kinds of music, but it's rare to find that person who doesn't like any music. Wow.
Don't you think? Those are scary people.

Speaker 1 They probably kick

Speaker 1 pets and shit. Yeah.
Or

Speaker 1 people who don't like dogs, which I don't understand. There are people who really don't laugh.

Speaker 1 Trump does not laugh. Like, he makes people laugh.

Speaker 1 Sometimes intentionally. I'm trying to think.
I've never seen him laugh. I don't know.
I have not.

Speaker 1 Like, really, like, really laugh? Like a belly laugh, like a gut laugh. Like any laugh.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't feel like I've ever seen Donald Trump laugh.

Speaker 1 Maybe he has, but he's kind of like, you know, he gives, you can get a broad smile out of him. Yeah.
But, you know, I just don't think... No, I'm not saying that.
Look,

Speaker 1 there could be people like that who are nothing like him. And

Speaker 1 that is not my issue with Donald Trump. But it is indicative.
It just is funny. And then there are people who laugh a little.

Speaker 1 Of course, as a comedian,

Speaker 1 you know a lot of these types who like

Speaker 1 they laugh a little and then tell you a better joke.

Speaker 1 Leno's that way.

Speaker 1 And that's good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then he's got, he's got, you know, always has a better topic joke.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 no,

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 laughing

Speaker 1 people, Trump has also never done

Speaker 1 pot or liquor. Never had a drink.
Wow. Never had a drink.
Yeah. Maybe that's connected to the laughing thing.
I don't know. But look,

Speaker 1 he's never like had a like. No, his brother

Speaker 1 died of alcoholism.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 you had alcohol problems, didn't you? Didn't you like have a drinking drinking thing? No,

Speaker 1 I think,

Speaker 1 you know, being able to moderate and yeah, I used to party a lot when I was younger. Well, so did I.
Yeah, that's right. I mean,

Speaker 1 that's kind of like where the self-discipline thing comes back in.

Speaker 1 You know, it's,

Speaker 1 first of all, getting up there in age.

Speaker 1 Can't, you know, I don't bounce back the way I used to. It doesn't feel the same.
And there's no reason to really drink unless you have a reason to celebrate.

Speaker 1 That's the problem with having a young body is that it takes so much punishment. Absolutely.
So you can just do the stupidest thing. Yeah, yeah.
I was running into brick walls with my fucking body.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm saying? Like, literally, you mean, no, no, I'm just saying, like, it was some long nights, there were days that ran into each other. Kids do things like that.

Speaker 1 Do you know what the latest TikTok challenge is? No. Dropping something super heavy on your foot.

Speaker 1 I'm not joking with you.

Speaker 1 Because they can, because if we did it, I mean, if I stub my toe, I'm mad at myself for a week. But I'm not going to do it to get people to click on my fucking ticket.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to injure myself. Like, the idiocracy movie is coming to life more and more and more and more every fucking day.
Isn't that movie great? It's awesome. It's so scary.

Speaker 1 It's so on the movie.

Speaker 1 It's scary because I see it happening. And

Speaker 1 Present was played by Terry Cruz. Ah, Terry Cruz.
Oh, yeah, you're right. You're right.
You're right. And he's a great guy, by the way.
Oh, okay. Okay.
So look. So look, I'm Stony.
He's the president.

Speaker 1 Come on, Joe. I'm Stone 2 because I think

Speaker 1 Tiny was the president in a different movie.

Speaker 1 He was, though.

Speaker 1 No, that was Michael Douglas in the American Boys.

Speaker 1 Very similar, but.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 So, what movies do you watch?

Speaker 1 What's your diet of

Speaker 1 when you want to chill out or when you're watching with your girl?

Speaker 1 What do you watch? I watch

Speaker 1 Netflix and Chill or HBO.

Speaker 1 I like to. HBO, babe.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of good series, but then when I want to go find a movie, I watch like,

Speaker 1 you know, the Indiana Jones franchise.

Speaker 1 I like Spillburg. I like that era of directing, you know,

Speaker 1 and the way those films, uh like in the Indiana Jones series for sure um I watched a lot of that when I was growing up the lighting the the the story the

Speaker 1 it felt like you're watching a high-five version of the old way things you know the old that's that that time that time stamp you know watched a movie you know I'm always I'm

Speaker 1 I watch movies like in the bathtub yeah and in the kitchen yeah like I used to watch cable news and I'm so much happier Like not having, it's not like I don't keep up on the news, but just I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I just, it, it depresses me. Yeah.
Yeah. So,

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 1 movies, it just, and I was watching one that I remember I saw in the theater in 2005, because I recall who I was watching it with.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it's the, I can't remember the name of it, but it's

Speaker 1 Jennifer Aniston and Clive Owen. Derailed.
Derailed. Yes.

Speaker 1 What are your memories of that? Man. I mean, so many.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 1 You were not the hero, as I recall. I was not the hero.

Speaker 1 So I got, okay, so I got two great stories about that film. First of all,

Speaker 1 that was.

Speaker 1 It's entertaining. Yeah,

Speaker 1 it is.

Speaker 1 That was

Speaker 1 my father went with me to London to shoot that. We shot that at George Lucas Studios.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? Right.

Speaker 1 And it was dope because that was the first time he got to travel with me to a movie set. So I'll always remember this.

Speaker 1 But on,

Speaker 1 there's, there's, there's,

Speaker 1 there's, I, that's also because we were filming on George Lucas set. It was like somebody came over, uh, wanted to take a picture with me and brought me a lightsaber.

Speaker 1 And I still have that fucking thing. You know what I'm saying? Like, it was like for like one of the practice ones that they use.
Even I know what that is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. So, so, so, first day of shooting,

Speaker 1 um,

Speaker 1 I am uh in a scene, and it's the scene where I'm supposed to be beating Jennifer Aniston up on the couch,

Speaker 1 right?

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 and uh, you know, it's the first scene of the day, wow, and

Speaker 1 Brad Pitt is in the room. Oh, they were married.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was in the room. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I'm tense just listening to this.

Speaker 1 And so, so, and action.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm saying? I'm like, but you must have rehearsed it. Yeah, no, it's fucking Jennifer Aniston.
So, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, you're like, bro, I'm not. But you did rehearse it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, we did rehearse it, but it was like,

Speaker 1 you know, I was, you know. No, now they have intimacy coordinators.

Speaker 1 coordinators but no but but but then but then the story gets a little better so so so then the uh the director says cut and comes over to me says you know she's full on crying and like this is like going against all i'm like i'm fresh into acting you okay like i'm like like this ain't something i'm doing all the time right and so like as i'm doing these movies like this is a strange thing for me.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 now the director comes over and she looks up to me. She has tears.
She's full on in, right? She's it's okay. You get you can you can get a rough.
I was like, oh fuck,

Speaker 1 oh fuck. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 And so and so he's like, he's like, okay, yes, you go, you, you, bitch. You must say bitch.
You know what I'm saying? I'm like, oh, shit. Okay, let me, uh, let me channel my inner Ike.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 This story is fraught with problematic

Speaker 1 tension in every possible way.

Speaker 1 So we do the scene, and then, you know, that's what's in the movie. And then, and then then it was, it was like, that was my first day on that set.
So I'll never forget it.

Speaker 1 The second, the second thing I remember about that, about that movie was my, um,

Speaker 1 my dad, my dad was on set one day, and it was the shit, it was the, it was the scene where we had to get in a fight at the end of the movie.

Speaker 1 We were running up and down the halls, and, and we fight in the room, uh, and then Clive Owen pulls out a gun and shoots me, like at the end of the fight.

Speaker 1 And so, um, and so I have these squibs on, like, a chest full of squibs. It takes about, you know, 40 minutes to set these things up.

Speaker 1 So, um,

Speaker 1 uh, quiet on the set. First shot.
Everybody's pumped. Everybody's ready to go.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Hit the door. We're fighting.
Do-do-do-do-do. Pulls the gun.
That, that, that, that, that, that.

Speaker 1 I'm on the ground.

Speaker 1 Dead silence.

Speaker 1 My dad.

Speaker 1 Oh, how unfortunate.

Speaker 1 You're kidding. No.
He said those words. Exact.

Speaker 1 Well, that was better than anything in the movie. Oh, oh, oh.

Speaker 1 That's fucking awesome. So y'all, so y'all, so

Speaker 1 then it's quiet again.

Speaker 1 Cut. Who the fuck was that?

Speaker 1 Who the fuck was that?

Speaker 1 And so, so, so, so my dad was like, oh, I was like, dad, you cannot, you know, please go talk to your father. So

Speaker 1 he yelled at the screen before it was even on the screen. Yes.
Oh, how unfortunate. I was like, you know, I'm still in it.
So I'm like, oh, my God.

Speaker 1 I'm dead. But did it ruin the take?

Speaker 1 It did.

Speaker 1 So we had to reset.

Speaker 1 Then we did the scene.

Speaker 1 It was good. It was good.
Well, I can't tell you what a pleasure it is to get to know you. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So I hope

Speaker 1 you will come back to this place, whether the cameras are on or not. I will.
Do you live in this area? I go back and forth between Vegas and here. Vegas? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we had a fire here. I don't know if you heard.

Speaker 1 And I thought, next time there's a fire, I'm going to Vegas. Really? Yeah, because, like,

Speaker 1 I know people who,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 cut up, we're going to Palm Springs or whatever. You know, we're going to, and it's like, okay, well, good luck at a hotel when everybody's bugging out.

Speaker 1 Also, I love Palm Springs. I've been there many times.

Speaker 1 But, you know, it's nothing to do.

Speaker 1 It's a million degrees, and it's only gay people and old people. I mean, I love both.
I love both groups of people.

Speaker 1 But Vegas, I was like, oh, no. You know what?

Speaker 1 If I had to cool my heels in Vegas for a week,

Speaker 1 I think I could do that. Yeah, man.
There's shit to do there. It's not bad.
There's shit to do there. Yeah, you got to stay off the strip.
Stay out the fucking casino. No, that's where I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 What are you talking about? Why Why would I might as well go to Palm Springs?

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 But eventually that gets old. And you got to eat it.
Great restaurants don't get old. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I wouldn't go to the club. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm not going there. But, you know, there are,

Speaker 1 man, I was at the...

Speaker 1 Bruno Mars has a club there. Yeah.
You know that? Yeah, I do. And it's like a lounge, right? It's yes, it's it's great because

Speaker 1 yes, because Vegas needs

Speaker 1 more things like that, things that are not exactly the big shows, which are great, right? Um, but have the experience of like but later later at night, but that's that's not a nightclub, right?

Speaker 1 I'm not going to a nightclub with a zillion decibels. Oh my God,

Speaker 1 are you crazy?

Speaker 1 No, and this was plenty loud, but you could talk, and it was like a great live band, and it played like stuff

Speaker 1 from all eras. You know, it wasn't just today.

Speaker 1 That kind of stuff is what I, and

Speaker 1 you're not going to get that everywhere.

Speaker 1 You know, it's good. You know, but why do you live in Vegas?

Speaker 1 Just, you know, just needed the space, really. You know, just getting away from

Speaker 1 San Bernardino. Well, it was better to go all the way to Vegas.

Speaker 1 I'm not gonna be depressed you on this, but come on, man.

Speaker 1 I mean, if you go to Vegas, of all the places you couldn't go, I think you want to be near the strip sometimes. No, no, no, no.
I've had my time on the strip. I mean, it is fun.

Speaker 1 I've had my time on the strip. Don't get it wrong.
It's fun. Well, yeah, but I've, I mean, it's time to work.
You know, yeah, it's time to work. Well, next time I'm in Vegas,

Speaker 1 we'll um stay off the strip, yeah,

Speaker 1 no, but if you whatever I'll go, Bill, I will go hit the strip with you. No problem, no problem.
We're gonna hit the strip, let's do it. All right, great, thank you, man.
Appreciate it, man.

Speaker 1 Thank you much. All right,

Speaker 1 exhibit, everybody. A new album drops when uh, March 29th, March 29th.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 is it February that has 28 days? Yeah, okay, yeah,

Speaker 1 thanks, man.

Speaker 1 Appreciate it, man. That was so much, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 and what I gotta come back out, you want to yes, I do, I do, I want to come back. I can't make that woods, man.

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