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Speaker 1 The key to this country is we have to be able to like have that and then go, let's talk about other things. Like how many guys you killed.

Speaker 1 A lot of people say Vegas was better when the mom ran. 100%.

Speaker 1 100%.

Speaker 1 You know that? Were you there? Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Godfather. Finally.

Speaker 1 I swear to God, I didn't know it was a hit. This is years in the making.

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 1 Because I've always wanted to meet you. Oh, really i'll tell you what happened about i always wanted to avoid you

Speaker 1 good idea no i'm only kidding about 25 years ago um you were in a movie theater we were in a movie theater together in westwood okay um

Speaker 1 and i was going to come up to you then and something happened i don't know that i didn't and then you were gone i just want to say hello oh well yeah i never hang around the movie theater when the movie's over i'm always gone i just thought you were gone quick um well what were you gonna say 25 years ago Hello.

Speaker 1 How are you?

Speaker 1 How are you? Oh, good. I'm glad.
Yeah, it was going to be nice and cordial. Thank you for making the time and congratulations on being such a success in this field.
Appreciate that.

Speaker 1 It's interesting podcasting, isn't it, that like the biggest subjects, maybe the two biggest are what we're into, comedy and crime. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Some people would say they're often the same. I'm not one of those people.
But

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 And who knows more about crime than you?

Speaker 1 I guess that depending upon what side of the fence you are, you could say that's either good or a bad thing. I've certainly had a lot of experience with it.
I think it's a bad thing. I'm with the law,

Speaker 1 generally. Although, of course, as we all know,

Speaker 1 very often the people on the side of the law are the biggest criminals. I wrote a book, Mafia Democracy.
I have a copy for you right here. Oh, good.
And you're going to read this book.

Speaker 1 Now, I want to tell you something. Mafia Democracy.

Speaker 1 Now, I wrote this a year and a half ago. It wasn't current, but I mean, not today.

Speaker 1 But, Bill, when you read that book, you're going to see that this is exactly how our government is operating just like the mob.

Speaker 1 In some ways, yeah. Yeah.
I mean,

Speaker 1 come on, that's a bit of an exaggeration. I can tell you many ways the government doesn't act just like the mob, but

Speaker 1 you're not without a point.

Speaker 1 As far far as, I mean, what is the mob basically based on? It's based on the old idea of the Roman Empire's protection racket. The Roman Empire was a protection racket.

Speaker 1 I mean, they would go, they would, you know, would you like to live?

Speaker 1 Well, it's going to cost you. Would you like to keep your grocery store from burning down?

Speaker 1 It's going to cost you. That's the protection racket.
There is some of that in government. I mean, what would you, you tell me, you wrote the book.
What are some examples of that?

Speaker 1 To me, it's just all about power and control, Bill. Oh, that's vague.
You're going to have to do better.

Speaker 1 Well, power and control, meaning that these people get into office, they get intoxicated with the power. They never want to leave, as evidenced by, you know, most of our congresspeople,

Speaker 1 and they enrich themselves. Yeah, but give me a specific example of how the government acts like the mafia.

Speaker 1 Well, there again, I mean, it's all about what are we all about? We wanted to make money, and we wanted to stay in control of people. And the government operates the same way, in my opinion.

Speaker 1 I mean, listen, I don't throw one, you know, one blanket over everybody in government. There are honest people there.
I'm not saying that.

Speaker 1 But I think the mechanism has now become really all about power and control. You know, why do I talk about it?

Speaker 1 Surely there must be like examples if you wrote a whole book out of it where it's like, you know what, at the Department of Labor, they did this.

Speaker 1 No, I'm not. I'm not going to, I won't be specific like that, but listen.

Speaker 1 And I can only go with you so far okay you got to be specific let me ask you this you're making an accusation like that all right let me ask you this politicians many of them come into the money they come into power

Speaker 1 they're middle-class people don't have a lot of money and they go out millionaires multi-millionaires many of them how do you explain that oh no there is graft in yeah i mean that but that characterizes well finally we have a guy in office who that does characterize Who's that?

Speaker 1 Donald Trump. You may have heard of him.
He won the election. Yeah, but he had money before he came into office.
He didn't come into government to make money. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Are you fucking kidding me? No, he didn't. First of all, in his first term,

Speaker 1 we thought, oh, this is as bad as it can get with the graft because he did things that no president ever done, like kept all his assets. People were staying.
Foreign

Speaker 1 dignitaries and leaders were staying at his hotels.

Speaker 1 That's outrageous. And then he upped that.
He put out out a meme coin

Speaker 1 okay and made 58 billion dollars the day before he took office all right but he was a billionaire when he went into office

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 well we don't even know that because he's such a liar that we have no idea what he was uh he certainly acted rich and he certainly was rich by any people's sentence.

Speaker 1 He had his own plane, but we don't know. I mean, he wouldn't release his taxes.
He was rich and he likes getting richer and he has no about enriching himself in this office.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying this is new and it but it's not new in many other countries in the world. They say Putin is probably worth 40 billion.

Speaker 1 We only get that from literally robbing the treasury when the treasury and your personal bank account are basically the same thing.

Speaker 1 And potentates have done this all over the world, Asia, Africa, the Americas. We certainly have not been that country in general.
There has been Graf, never on that scale.

Speaker 1 He is joining, because those are the kind of people he likes, or autocrats like that. But I don't think, for example, Xi in China does that.
He doesn't need to. Why would he need to?

Speaker 1 He's the leader of China. He has his own plane.
He has his own palace. You can't get richer than being the president.
You cannot,

Speaker 1 even if the salary was zero, because everything is provided for you. And if you want to go somewhere, you get there faster than any other person in the world.
All right.

Speaker 1 Well, let me ask you the difference. He came in as a wealthy guy.
We're not counting his money, but we knew he was wealthy. What about Obama? He didn't come in wealthy.

Speaker 1 And he didn't leave that kind of wealth. He's worth, from what I'm hearing now, he's worth $100 million.

Speaker 1 I doubt if he's worth $100 million. That's what I heard.
But that's what I heard. That's what Trump says.
That's what I heard. People are saying, well, it must be true.

Speaker 1 Well, look at his life. Come on.
Look at his lifestyle. Oh, look.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying he's not entitled to it after all, but I'm saying he became a very wealthy guy. Okay, well, you tend to get famous when you're the first black president of the United States.

Speaker 1 It's kind of a big accomplishment.

Speaker 1 So, you know, did he, does he get a speaking fee? He probably gets half a million or even a million dollars speaking fee. Yeah, okay.
So, but he didn't go in it for the money. He, he wasn't.

Speaker 1 We don't know that, though. I mean, oh, fuck.
We don't know that. Really? I mean, I don't say that wasn't the only reason he wanted to be wealthy.
He wanted to be president. We get that.

Speaker 1 But I'm sure he thought about

Speaker 1 what it was going to do for him financially, too. Why not?

Speaker 1 Okay. I just don't think that was Barack Obama's motivation.
I think it's something that comes along with

Speaker 1 getting to that level. If you were at that level of success in any field, yeah.

Speaker 1 you would have some financial remuneration. I mean, it's peanuts compared to what some of the, again, what Trump is doing, the kind of money he is making from

Speaker 1 just basically selling the job. I mean, he was,

Speaker 1 for example, very much against TikTok. Let's get rid of TikTok.
Until the TikTok guy came in and said he would give a big contribution to his campaign. Then he was all for TikTok.

Speaker 1 He's very transactionable. He doesn't even make a secret of it.
He doesn't understand how government works. He still runs it like it's a business.
In some ways, ways, that might be advantageous.

Speaker 1 In the long run, I don't think it is.

Speaker 1 What do you think of his last, the first two weeks in office? What do you think?

Speaker 1 There are some things, well, I said before he took office, I would not pre-hate anything.

Speaker 1 Now that he's in there, there's some things I hate, and there's some things I don't hate.

Speaker 1 You know, it's a breath of fresh air as far as like, we're going to look at things in a way we've never looked at it before. Like, maybe Gaza doesn't have to be this utter hellhole

Speaker 1 where the people are constantly attacking Israel and they are themselves constantly being attacked by this terrorist organization that runs them like a mafia.

Speaker 1 Maybe, you know, it's a beautiful area on the beach. Maybe it could be more like Dubai.
Okay, it's great to think about that. But then

Speaker 1 we're going to just take it over. Like what?

Speaker 1 We're an imperial power it's 1898 again we're just gonna take over Gaza and Greenland and the Panama Canal it's you know yeah but Bill don't you think he just puts things out there to get over the tariffs of head can't just put things out there right now look he's not a podcast look what he did with the tariffs everybody jumped up and down all the Democrats were upset and what did he do he named the tariffs just to bring these people to the table okay he's a business guy he you know he negotiated it's a week into the tariff thing michael It's a week.

Speaker 1 We'll see.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 It also could fucking put us into a depression because everybody, we've had tariff wars before.

Speaker 1 1930, okay, right after the stock market crash. It was the worst thing for the depression was the tariff war.
So we'll trade war. We'll see what happens.
Okay. But so far, no damage.

Speaker 1 He accomplished what he wanted to do.

Speaker 1 In the short run, he brought them to the table to get security at the borders. Okay,

Speaker 1 there are people who have been damaged already because he, well, he froze all spending. People didn't get their Medicaid checks.
And then he unfroze it.

Speaker 1 Okay. Well, you just can't do it.
First of all, it's illegal. You have to have, Congress has to pass the laws.
He seems to forget about that part of governing this country.

Speaker 1 But yes, people, you know, we'll see. I mean, it's too early to make giant judgments.
Like I say,

Speaker 1 I don't mind re-looking at things. This country is bloated.

Speaker 1 I want to see what Musk is going to do with all that.

Speaker 1 The idea of just going with a sledgehammer through everything, not thinking things through, talking about us taking over places like an imperial power again, no, I don't like that.

Speaker 1 And he just doesn't understand how this country works or doesn't care to learn, nor can you tell him anything.

Speaker 1 I know, but you know how this country works, especially in the past couple of years, it hasn't been working well.

Speaker 1 All right. But it also, it hasn't been working well, and it also could get worse.

Speaker 1 I think it would have gotten a lot worse had Trump not been elected as president. I'm getting that impression.
A lot worse. Great.
Well, you know,

Speaker 1 what did you think of Kamala? I mean, I've heard you, obviously. What do you think of her? Do you think that she should have even been a nominee?

Speaker 1 You know, my line on her was, do I love everything? No,

Speaker 1 not even close. The woman wasn't even competent to be.
Okay, but at least she understands how the United States government works, that it's not a monarchy. At least she concedes elections.

Speaker 1 Conceding elections is the most important thing in this country, in a democracy, and your guy doesn't do it.

Speaker 1 Let me tell you what my thoughts are, and I know where you're going with this.

Speaker 1 These Democrats for the past four years have done nothing but lie to us in every sense of the word. Lied.

Speaker 1 They've totally disregarded our our trust for four years. Come on.
Lied to us. You know,

Speaker 1 Biden wasn't even competent to be in that office. He didn't run the presidency.
He didn't run the country. We had a shadow government basically running the country.
And for me, I look at it this way.

Speaker 1 You lie to me once, okay, things happen. Second time, I don't know.
Third time, forget it. These people have been lying constantly.

Speaker 1 They don't know the truth from us. And you find no lies in Donald Trump's history?

Speaker 1 Let's put it this way. Forget about his history.
Come on, man. No, no, no.
Forget about his history. I don't care what he did 20 years ago.
I come from New York too.

Speaker 1 You care what he did four years ago when he was president? Yeah. What did he do? How did he hurt the country four years ago? When he was president, how did he hurt the country?

Speaker 1 Aside from the fact that let's not go into the fraud on the election, if there was, if there wasn't, whatever. But how did he do it? Well, listen to what you just said.

Speaker 1 Tell me how he hurt the country, but let's not go into the main way. Not yet.
Not yet. Forget that for a moment, because I can't.
I can't forget that. Okay, but everybody

Speaker 1 nor should I. What did he do for the country? Great question.
What the fuck did he do?

Speaker 1 How was the country four years prior to Biden's administration,

Speaker 1 in your opinion?

Speaker 1 Well, okay. I mean, he would say that he had the greatest economy of all time.
Basically, he had the economy he inherited, which was Obama's economy. Well, that's true.
Okay. Okay.

Speaker 1 He didn't destroy it, right? He did not destroy it. No, he did not destroy it.
I mean,

Speaker 1 there are people, look,

Speaker 1 he

Speaker 1 cut taxes for the rich.

Speaker 1 He cut it for the middle class also. Yeah, I understand that.

Speaker 1 But if you look at the numbers, if you look at the charts, and most of it goes to the rich. Look,

Speaker 1 I'm not a communist, and I've been very hard on the left. You have been, and I love it.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 when they are wrong. What Biden did mostly, I think, wrong was that

Speaker 1 he was feeble. He was old.
He had not the strength or the appetite in any way to stand up to the far-left fringe of his country. So he let them do anything.

Speaker 1 I'm not against some of these things that Trump is undoing now. DEI did go way too far.
Get rid of it.

Speaker 1 So, you know,

Speaker 1 there is a, and look,

Speaker 1 people voted for him. Elections have consequences.

Speaker 1 Somebody gets, when they get in office, they have, that is their right to then

Speaker 1 go ahead and do what they said they were going to do. And he's doing that.

Speaker 1 Although, he's definitely doing what he said he was doing. Everything that he campaigned on.
I mean, I didn't hear a lot about Greenland before he won, but okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know where that came from either, but that's Trump. Well, that's Trump.

Speaker 1 You know, I mean, you know, it's no longer the Gulf of Mexico, the Gulf of America. I mean, we didn't hear any of that.
I don't think that mattered to the American people, but the fact that

Speaker 1 he's important things, the important things, the border, you know, the economy, let's see what he does. I mean, he's in office two weeks.

Speaker 1 I always found it amusing, the connection between the mafia and their view of America, which is very patriotic.

Speaker 1 I mean, the very first scene in The Godfather. Yes.
I'm sure you know it well. Inside Out.
Inside Out. And what is his first line is, I think, I love America.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 The undertaker who's coming to Don Corleon for justice. I love America.
I came here. And then he he goes through the whole story about my daughter.

Speaker 1 She went out with a boyfriend who brought another boyfriend, and they treated her like an animal.

Speaker 1 I sat in that courtroom and they laughed. How many times have you seen it? Oh, I could do it.

Speaker 1 You would be. It's on every week now.
You can't miss it. Oh, I mean, it's that kind of movie where you're like...
If you see two seconds of it, you go, no, no, no, I've seen this too many times.

Speaker 1 And then you're hoping. And then you watch the whole thing.

Speaker 1 But they love, but he loves America. and Don Corleone understands.
He's a little insulted because the man is asking him to commit murder because they raped his daughter.

Speaker 1 On the day of his daughter's wedding. No, it's when you can't refuse any favor that they're asking you.
And he said, that is not justice.

Speaker 1 I understand.

Speaker 1 You came to this country, you found paradise. You were courts of law and police to protect you.
So you didn't need a friend like me. That's good, Bill.

Speaker 1 That's it. You didn't need a friend like me.
There we are again with the

Speaker 1 protection racket. But that's it.
He's competing with America. America has done for this guy what he used to do when there were first immigrants in the country.

Speaker 1 America, there are courts of law and police to protect you. You didn't need me anymore.

Speaker 1 That's so interesting to me. That's true.

Speaker 1 But also that, you know, they really do love America. I mean, Michael Corleone,

Speaker 1 when he has to go testify, you know, he's a war hero. He was a, they, they make.
Well, let me tell you this. I was indicted seven times.

Speaker 1 I had two federal racketeering cases and a state racketeering case, and I love America. And at one time, I hated the FBI and I hated the government.

Speaker 1 I grew up hating them because I loved my dad and they were, you know, constantly harassing him, in my view. Now I understand a little bit more.

Speaker 1 Didn't he kill people? Well, that's what they say.

Speaker 1 But he was, wasn't he a head of the Colombo crime family? He was the underboss. You were the head of the family.
No, I was a capital jean, a captain. Right, a captain.

Speaker 1 I mean, it was an official position. Do you ever beat yourself up for not getting the top job?

Speaker 1 I didn't want it, Bill. You didn't want it? You didn't want to be there.

Speaker 1 Too high-profile?

Speaker 1 I had too much of a bullseye on my back. And, you know, you got to understand,

Speaker 1 I had investigations from the time I was 20 years old. I had a 14 agency task force on me for years and kept getting these indictments.
I went through trial five times. I beat every case.
But

Speaker 1 aren't these

Speaker 1 investigations of you for good reason? Because you were

Speaker 1 breaking the law? Here's the thing. Here's what they're talking about.
And this is what Bondi recently said.

Speaker 1 You know, we're no longer going to use the Department of Justice to target an individual and find out what crime he's committing. That's what they said.

Speaker 1 That's what's been going on in lawfare for the past couple of years.

Speaker 1 But I can almost understand it, you know, mafia organized crime because we were allegedly criminals at that time so hey let me see what this guy is doing we know he's doing something we don't know quite what but we'll figure it out we'll investigate him because you it's backwards in our life you didn't have a crime and then they go investigate it they were investigating you to see what crime you might commit But you, but the mafia was committing crimes.

Speaker 1 You deny that? No, I'm not saying that.

Speaker 1 Distortion, law insurance. I'm saying you could almost say that's okay.
All right. We know these guys are criminals.
We don't know exactly what they're doing. We hear it.
We have to find out.

Speaker 1 This is a criminal organization, so we'll target individuals and go after them. That's

Speaker 1 kind of okay.

Speaker 1 It was a fishing expedition where there were a lot of fish. Correct.
That's a good way to put it. Okay.

Speaker 1 But do you do that? Do you do that to legitimate people that are not involved with organized crime? But you were involved in crime. No, no, no, no.
But I'm saying,

Speaker 1 I'm okaying that. Oh, I see.
Yeah. But do you do that to legitimate people that are not involved in organized crime because you don't like them because they disagree with you?

Speaker 1 They don't have the same agenda. No, that is wrong.
And there is some of that that does go on. Absolutely.
Would you agree that a lot of it went on? With Trump?

Speaker 1 With Trump. Oh, you're obsessed with Trump.
I'm not obsessed with him, but

Speaker 1 I just want to have this discussion. Oh.

Speaker 1 You're talking about law affair. Well, I mean,

Speaker 1 it's a tough question that he put the country in because as president, you don't want to go where so many other countries have gone gone, where

Speaker 1 the guy loses an election and now they prosecute him. Because

Speaker 1 they prosecuted him while he was president also with two impeachments. Yes, because he does commit crimes.

Speaker 1 See, this is the little fly in your ointment, like not conceding the election, trying to get fake electors to show up when he knew and every court told him you can't do that, that went to court over 60 times, laughed out of every court, pressuring the Justice Department, Department, calling up

Speaker 1 the guy in Georgia who was a Republican, the vote counter there, and saying to him, I need you to find 11,000 votes. It can't be more blatant than that, that these are crimes.
I would also say

Speaker 1 the Russia thing, even what he just said out loud, Russia, if you're listening, I wish you could help me with my campaign. We never did that before, Michael.
You see, we ran our own campaigns.

Speaker 1 We didn't bring in ringers from the outside. It's part of the original documents that the founding fathers wrote.
We don't want any help from outside because we're going to handle this ourselves.

Speaker 1 Maybe the Republicans and the Democrats fight each other to the tooth and nail, but don't bring in somebody from the outside. He broke that.
He broke so many laws,

Speaker 1 not to mention norms. So the idea that, well, it's just lawfare going after him.
It's not lawfare if the guy actually did commit crimes.

Speaker 1 And again, you have to weigh that against what's the better tact because you don't want to become that country where as soon as somebody leaves office,

Speaker 1 they prosecute them.

Speaker 1 What the president gets to do should have broad, broad protection. That's true, because when you're president, you do have to make difficult decisions like we may have to bomb you.

Speaker 1 And so you can't, you know what? Okay, you can't just be called a war criminal for everybody you bomb. Sorry, that's just the way of the world.
But he took it to a different level. So, yes,

Speaker 1 I don't think it was all just law fair. Bill, these crimes that they allege, these are all nonsense.

Speaker 1 They're not all nonsense. I just listed why they weren't.
No, let me, no, you don't

Speaker 1 care. You just like him.
I like who you like.

Speaker 1 I don't listen to the logic about it or the facts. No, you just like him.
No, no, no. It's okay.

Speaker 1 You're entitled. Let me give you logic and facts.
Bullshit, me, man. Let me give you logic and facts, okay?

Speaker 1 I told you I had three racketeering indictments. Three.

Speaker 1 Okay. I know this statute inside out and upside down.
We're back to you now. No, no, no.
No, I'm coming to a point. I will tell you this.

Speaker 1 The information and the evidence that was uncovered by the GOP investigation on Joe Biden and Hunter Biden and his family, there was more evidence than there was in any one of my racketeering indictments.

Speaker 1 Joe Biden is treasonous.

Speaker 1 No, no, listen to me. No, I agree.
I'm agreeing with you. Okay, he's treasonous.
He's not treasonous. Yes, he is.
He sold out his vice presidency. That's treason for money.

Speaker 1 For fuck's sake, you just don't like him, so that's treason. But your guy is.
Bill, no, no, no, no. Let me tell you.
You know why I don't like him? No, for fuck's sake. I don't like him because

Speaker 1 he's a liar.

Speaker 1 Let me finish my point. I didn't say anything.
He's a liar. He was never competent to be president.
He lied every single day. He lied about everything.

Speaker 1 I'm not a huge fan. He lied about the laptop.
He lied about everything. He had 51, him and his cohorts there, got 51 intelligence

Speaker 1 agents to lie about the laptop after they knew that the FBI had authenticated it. Absolute liar.
Okay. Okay, as far as that, let me tell you this.
Not a huge fan. He had

Speaker 1 18 shell companies that did nothing. There was no brick and mortar behind him.
There was no employees. All they did was collect money.
How do I know about that? I had 21.

Speaker 1 Shell companies when I was collecting, defrauding the government out of tax on every gallon of gas. I know the whole system.
He sold out his vice presidency. He sold it out.
He's treasonous.

Speaker 1 And he lies. And by lies, he don't even know how to tell the truth.
And he destroyed the country. He's treasonous.
If we were at war and he was selling secrets to them, we weren't.

Speaker 1 How do we know what he did? He was for the money.

Speaker 1 Bill, how do we know he did? I know what he did. He did not for the money.
He got his ne'er-do-well crackhead son a job in an energy company when he knew nothing about energy. Is that okay?

Speaker 1 It's not okay, but when you have no perspective on what is the bigger crime, you just like the guy you like. No, everything he does, you see through rose-colored glasses.
You're wrong.

Speaker 1 And this other guy.

Speaker 1 It's okay. It's one of the things that most of the country is like.
I would tell you. Just don't ask me to respect it as

Speaker 1 critical thinking.

Speaker 1 I like Donald Trump for the policies that he put into this country. And I think during his time as a president, I didn't know him before that.
I met him one time, 30 years ago, with Roy Cohen.

Speaker 1 For five minutes, he probably wouldn't have even remembered me. We had a little meeting.
I had a meet with Roy Cohen. He happened to be be there.
That was it. I don't know him.

Speaker 1 I have nothing to do with him. Let me tell you something.
I don't, I'm not in awe of anybody. I just like the job he did as president.
I don't care about anything else.

Speaker 1 And listen, I have a podcast, and I tell my people straight out, if I see Donald Trump doing something wrong, I'm going to hold him to it. I doubt it.

Speaker 1 I sincerely doubt it. I give you my word on that.
Well, you say you have it, but I already told you like 10 things he did, and you don't see any problem with there. So I don't know.

Speaker 1 Like, what could he do? Let me give you an example. I'm going to tell you what I'm going to do.
I'm going to tell you something he could do that would piss you off

Speaker 1 if he did it.

Speaker 1 If he did anything near what Biden did, making campaign promises, lying through his teeth about a laptop and about money that he collected and about what he did with his son, and then preemptive pardons for his family, unheard of, for anything known or unknown.

Speaker 1 Biden just pardoned all the people who beat up cops and forced their way into the capital. Bill, I'm going to tell you what I think about that.
I'm going to tell you.

Speaker 1 I'm sure you don't like cops, but no. No, no, no, no, I do like Kyle.
I've got a lot of good friends as Kyle.

Speaker 1 My mentality has totally changed. But let me tell you this.
I just interviewed two people that were pardoned. They got pardoned Monday night.
I had them on my show on Wednesday.

Speaker 1 Did you know?

Speaker 1 I know this is going to be a tough point with you. I don't trust these people.

Speaker 1 You lied to me once, twice, three. You continue to lie to me.
It's on tape. No, what's on tape? Them doing these crimes.

Speaker 1 It's on tape. We can watch it.
Let me tell you something. One of these people who happened to be an ex-Marine, never in trouble in his life, veteran, never in trouble.

Speaker 1 You You know what his job was when he got out? He had a foundation going after people that were human trafficking. He was rescuing.
I don't know every one of the JSON.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, but I want to tell you about it. There are people on tape.
We see them doing it. Well, maybe it was the 25 informants that the FBI planted that day.
God, you listened way too much.

Speaker 1 It's the truth, Bill. There were 25 informants.
They admitted to it.

Speaker 1 They weren't in, well, informants, if you mean. What were they doing there?

Speaker 1 If you mean that the FBI was aware that there was a riot brewing and put some people on the ground, but they weren't fomenting the riot. How do you know that?

Speaker 1 Why would 25 informants be there? Not one of them got arrested. So all these people who came to Washington,

Speaker 1 some from all over the country, they came there just looking for a picnic grounds or something, and then the FBI on the spot. What about the ones who came with zip ties? They came for a protest.

Speaker 1 With zip ties? I don't know about those people. Exactly.
You don't know about the whole thing.

Speaker 1 You don't want to know about who they are. You see, I listen to both sides.
You plainly do not listen to this for four years and finally have listened to your

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Speaker 1 I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you my theory on what happened based upon what I know.

Speaker 1 Okay, speaking to people that were pardoned, speaking to the lawyer that represented a lot of these people that were pardoned that worked on it. Number one, did you know this?

Speaker 1 Nancy Pelosi's son-in-law was in the crowd telling people to go into the Capitol where her daughter was taking pictures of people coming into the Capitol. Her daughter's a producer.

Speaker 1 Oh, I know her daughter well. She's a director.
Okay, a director. But she was there with a camera inside the Capitol.
Why?

Speaker 1 What was she doing there? Well, it was the day we were transferring power. But why was she there? Because she's a filmographer.
That's what she does for a living. Okay, so she just happened to

Speaker 1 have her husband was outside telling people to come in, and she happened to be there with a camera. So that's your theory, Nancy.
Nancy Pelosi's daughter

Speaker 1 started the riot on January 1st. No, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not saying that.
Let me ask you this. Cash Patel just testified in front of the confirmation here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he said he, even he, even this fucking right-wing QAnon nut, even he says

Speaker 1 he's against Trump pardoning the J6 rioters. He said that.
He did say that

Speaker 1 because some of them beat up the cops. I understand that.
Okay, but did you hear what Elsie said? That days before this

Speaker 1 protest, Trump went to the, he was in the Department of Defense at that point, and he went to Cache Patel and he said, we're going to need the National Guard there that day.

Speaker 1 We want to make sure the area is secure. They prepared and got the National Guard ready to be there.

Speaker 1 Cash Patel himself called Nancy Pelosi, called Chuck Schumer, and called the mayor of Washington, D.C., and they all refused the National Guard. Why? No, that could be true.

Speaker 1 If the president wants them there, because he knew maybe this will get a little out of hand, why did they refuse it? I'm going to tell you what my theory is, and you could say you're crazy.

Speaker 1 I'd have to look at those facts again, but I have heard that before from reputable sources. I've got to decide that

Speaker 1 Cash Patel testified to that. Testified doesn't mean that.
Well, and the confirmation is true. Yes, I know.
Well,

Speaker 1 this is a kangaroo court. Now it's a Republican Congress.

Speaker 1 No, Democrats are questioning him, too. Yeah, they're questioning him, but they're not going to get to vote him out.
He's going to be the

Speaker 1 whatever the vote is, the vote is, but this is his testimony. Yeah.
He just said. I'm just saying I don't take it as the word of God, his testimony.

Speaker 1 But if Donald Trump requested the national government,

Speaker 1 that part I would definitely look into more. I mean, I have heard that from not just right-wing sources, and there was something, but plainly,

Speaker 1 when when it started to go sideways he did not seem very invested in figuring out a way to stop it he could have you know uh done a hundred things but he just seemed to want to watch it on tv but look michael that's not even the thing that i blame him the most for because it's a little squishy some of the facts look he's donald trump do i think he played it wrong of course he's donald trump but

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 what i blame him for is just to this day, but including and most importantly from the election in 2016, rather 2020, until January 20th when Biden took office, still never conceded.

Speaker 1 So of course, if you don't concede, the people out there who are your rapid followers are going to do something like January 6th. They were going to do something.

Speaker 1 His crime to me is a slow-moving crime of, nope, I never conceded. All I try to do is find crazy ways to contest this election.
I will pressure the Justice Department. I will try it in the courts.

Speaker 1 I will call attorney generals and ask them to

Speaker 1 find votes that don't exist. I will send fake electors.
I will do all this shit.

Speaker 1 And while he's doing all this shit, of course his people out there and his shills in the media are going to be saying, look, he hasn't given up on this.

Speaker 1 How can you possibly do something that would not give give up on this? What could you do?

Speaker 1 Oh, like go to Washington the day that they're going to pass the torch of power, which is the jewel in our crown in this country, man, is that we do that. We pass power.

Speaker 1 You know, like in your business, your old business, or your father's business, that's not how they pass power. You come out of Spark Steakhouse, issue mad.

Speaker 1 It was a lovely dinner, and you wish you had that after-dinner operative because now you're dead and you would have enjoyed it, but you didn't. But that's not how we want to do it in this country.

Speaker 1 I agree, Bill, but I got to tell you this. I'm a former street guy and I look at things sometimes very cynically.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 The way these people acted in the past four years, everyone, first of all, Nancy Pelosi, listen, Nancy Pelosi's father was connected with the mob in Baltimore. They put him in office as mayor there.

Speaker 1 She has the same characteristics as a mobster. I'm telling you right now.
And I take it personally because she's a tough. I'll give you that.
She's not tough. She's crooked.
She's shitty.

Speaker 1 Nancy, she's crooked. 100%.

Speaker 1 She made herself wealthy on Inside a Trading Bill.

Speaker 1 You got to tell the people. Yeah, that may be true.
I read some of that. 100%.
There's no doubt about it. She loses her office for her own piggy bank.

Speaker 1 She hates Donald Trump. Again, I honestly don't think she's in it for the money.
She definitely had money. Now she's got a half a billion dollars or something like that in a week.

Speaker 1 You're sure about that? Well, no, I'm not sure, but these are the numbers. No, okay.
Let me tell you what I am sure of. I'll tell you what I am sure of.
I'm not sure, but I just say it.

Speaker 1 She's worth $300 million. I'm sure of that.

Speaker 1 You're not sure of that. You're just.
No, I am sure of that. She's admitted to it.

Speaker 1 Oh, she did? Yeah. She's worth $300 million.
Her and her husband. No, I read that there was something shady about some,

Speaker 1 but she's not the only Congress person, was there? You know, I said that before. They even introduced, okay, look, when it's right,

Speaker 1 Republicans and Democrats. I'm an honest broker.
I know you are. That's what it is.

Speaker 1 I know you are. But I think you're not.
I never, I will never ever,

Speaker 1 by the way. Yeah.
You don't drink wine, huh? No, I really don't. You know, I mean, I'd like to go straight to

Speaker 1 the name on the bottle. Oh, thank you.
Yeah. Is that for me? That's for you.
That's very kind. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 Nobody's wine. The wine is from Armenia.
But I understand you're in the olive oil business. No, not in the olive oil.
Pizza and wine.

Speaker 1 You know what I love about your history is that it's almost the story. in The Godfather, you wanted to go to medical school.
True.

Speaker 1 And you came back because your father needed you. That is the plot of the Godfather.
I mean,

Speaker 1 one of the reasons it's such a great script is when you first see him, he's with Kay at the wedding, and he tells the story of Luca Brazzi.

Speaker 1 And then he says to Kay, that's my family, Kay. That's not me.
That's not me. I know.

Speaker 1 And then when he's in the hospital, when he's taking and he's moving his father because they're going to come get him, and he says to him, I'm with you now, Pop. I'm with you now.

Speaker 1 It's such brilliant screenwriting because it works on both levels. I'm with you physically, and I'm also, well, I'm with you now.
You got me. I didn't want to be in the mafia, but you know what?

Speaker 1 Kind of a good job. You might if I have a little good, because I have

Speaker 1 gas. I have morphia.
We brought you a lot. We have this here too: pomegranate wine, something you've never tasted before.
Is this something you do as a business? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Pomegranate. Well, we know that's good for your balls, right? Now, isn't it good for

Speaker 1 urinary health or something? Something.

Speaker 1 Very healthy, flying off the shelves. People love it.
It is? Yeah. And you made the

Speaker 1 decanter look like a pomegranate.

Speaker 1 People love it. They're making sangria out of it.
Everything. They love it.
I love a hitman who's artistic. That's what I kept.
No, you were never a hit.

Speaker 1 Well, I wish I could claim the design, but I can't. You were never a hitman, right? Yeah.
Let me put it here. Did you ever push a button on a guy? Oh, Bill, come on.
I'm asking you.

Speaker 1 You always have to ask that question. Well, it's a thing.
It's your thing. Come on.

Speaker 1 Did you ever push a button on a guy? Because Godfather.

Speaker 1 is it one or two where Cheechi

Speaker 1 is testifying?

Speaker 1 Mr. Cheech,

Speaker 1 they brought his brother in. Right.
Mr. Cheech, what is a button man?

Speaker 1 You know, Senator. They tell me to push a button on a guy and I.
Push your button. Push a button.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You kill them. Remember, we have a lot of buffers.

Speaker 1 That line?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you ever get the order from Michael Corleone? No, no.

Speaker 1 We have a lot of buffers. Just to show you how honest I am, I'm going to go ahead and

Speaker 1 go to a certain point. Okay.
I spent 20 years in that life. Obviously, it's a violent life at times.

Speaker 1 You're involved in life. You're involved in the violence.
Can I leave it at that? Yes.

Speaker 1 I don't want any guests to feel uncomfortable here. Well, that's my answer.
But now I want to... You make me uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 I want to go back to something. This is important because

Speaker 1 I'm going to tell you this. I'm not blowing smoke.
I really have a lot of respect for you, especially lately. I appreciate that.
No, I mean that because you just tell it like it is. I do.

Speaker 1 You really do. Even when it's right back at you about exactly.
As a matter of fact, I did a whole podcast on you saying something

Speaker 1 about

Speaker 1 the left and how they've been honest and all that. And I said, look, even Bill understands this.
Nobody puts the knife into the left better than me. Because I understand them.

Speaker 1 And it disappoints me so much. When she won, I mean, when she lost, what I said was,

Speaker 1 first of all, I just, this is... You want her to win, though, be honest.
Yes, I did, because I don't want him to win. There's only two choices.
But see, that's not. Okay, let's not go back.

Speaker 1 That's not right. Let's not go back.

Speaker 1 No, no, I got to tell you, this is what bothers me. It's what bothers me.
No, no, no. So we have to just leave it at that.
No, no, Michael. We have to leave it at that.
Well, let me just say this.

Speaker 1 You're not going to convince me, and I'm not going to convince you. So why? Why would you want somebody that's so incompetent that couldn't take care of our country? Well, there you go.

Speaker 1 That's why I didn't vote for Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So we just see it differently. Yeah, you see it differently.

Speaker 1 The key to this country is we have to be able to have that and then go, and let's talk about other things, like how many guys you killed.

Speaker 1 We don't have to do that. But no, that's fine.

Speaker 1 You're in a violent life. And

Speaker 1 what are the good times like, though?

Speaker 1 Great. Because, I mean, I pictured the scene in Goodfellows where they're walking into the nightclub and they're going through the back and they're

Speaker 1 table down for them. Is there a lot of that? Henry Hill never walked into the back of the Coca Gabbano.
Henry, he never looked so good as he looked in that movie.

Speaker 1 I knew Henry very well, and I happen to like him.

Speaker 1 But Henry was a problem person. He was either a drug addict or an alcoholic at the same time.
He didn't have the stature that they showed him to have in that movie. But he wasn't even Italian.

Speaker 1 No, he wasn't made. He wasn't made.
He was an associate.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He was a made guy. Like at the gap.
Would you like to talk to one of our sales associates? What do you call him? He was an associate. He didn't take the author.

Speaker 1 But the movie was, it was fairly accurate. It was fairly accurate.
Except for that part, huh? He wasn't a mocker like that.

Speaker 1 He wasn't one of the big ballers, but he... No.
Okay. But was he a good earner? No.
No. Not a good earner? You got to be a good earner.
He wasn't a good earner.

Speaker 1 He got involved in drugs and a good earner.

Speaker 1 What makes a good earner? In In that life, you had two different kinds of people. You had the racketeers and you had the gangsters.
The racketeers were the guys that brought the money in.

Speaker 1 You can consider me a racketeer. The gangsters, see, I was fortunate, and some of us were, where we knew how to use the life to benefit me in business, to benefit us in business.

Speaker 1 The gangsters just didn't have the capability of doing that. So they did a lot of the

Speaker 1 heavy work. Let's put it that way.

Speaker 1 Heavy work. And I'll give you an example.
In our family, the Colombo family, we had 115 made guys in my time, guys that actually took the oath. 115.

Speaker 1 We had a lot of associates and people, but we had 115 made guys. Out of those 115, 20 of us were really earners.
Really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 The other 95 who had a no-show job, who got a union job, who's trying to scrape out a living. That was it.
And why weren't they let go like they would do a GE every year, cut out the bottom 10?

Speaker 1 No, you can't, because once you're in, you can't. You can't.
Well, that's what they say.

Speaker 1 but what sort of pressure do they put on you to be a better earner if they know you can't they don't really yeah but like if you know some other work had to come out you got to do that hmm

Speaker 1 and what would you say the perks are like what what like okay say henry hill didn't get to go into the copa but somebody but you did you went to the copa like that my father was a king of of copa right i was going there since i was nine ten years old and so they would treat you like royalty royalty yeah Because they feared you?

Speaker 1 No, not because they. Look, my father, myself, we were outgoing people.
We took care of the waiters and the waitresses. We did the right thing.
You know, they had a problem in the place.

Speaker 1 We straightened it out for them. You know, we made sure that everything was right in the place.
You know, I want to tell you this.

Speaker 1 My dad taught me a lot of good things. Unfortunately, he did 40 years in prison and he wasn't around me that much when I was on the street because he was always in jail.

Speaker 1 But he taught me a lot of good things. One thing he taught me that I never forgot and really worked for me in my former life and now, he said, Mike, always be good to the little people.

Speaker 1 Now, he didn't mean that in a demeaning way. It's just the way he spoke.
He said, take care of the little people because they're the ones that make you strong.

Speaker 1 It's not the people on top that want to cut your legs out in this life, especially. He said, but it's the people that you take care of and you give respect to.

Speaker 1 And I've been that way my whole life because my father taught me that and it's the right thing to do.

Speaker 1 And, you know, so that's why you get into going to the back of the Corporate Babbana, not because they're afraid of of you, because that doesn't work.

Speaker 1 It's just treating people the right way, being there for them. That's important.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 I met everybody that you can imagine during that era with my dad and then really on my own. The Copa closed later on, but it was a great place.

Speaker 1 It fit 300 people.

Speaker 1 The tables were this big because they crammed you in there, you know, narrow.

Speaker 1 But it was the best place, you know, to see a show because you were right on the stage and guys right there, like me and you, right here. But you cherish those memories

Speaker 1 of your father. I'm talking about teaching you those.
I loved it, I loved what my father taught me. My father taught me other things.
He said, Listen, be the last one to judge somebody,

Speaker 1 the last one, because your turn is going to come

Speaker 1 and they're going to remember how you judge the other person. Because, you know, look, I got to be honest with you, in that life,

Speaker 1 you know, you're sitting down in meetings sometimes where somebody's life is at stake. I was always glad this house didn't go to strangers.
First, Clemenza took it over, then you.

Speaker 1 My father taught me many things. Right in this room.

Speaker 1 Used to be a big desk.

Speaker 1 Can I say that you're a fan of mob movies?

Speaker 1 He taught me.

Speaker 1 Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

Speaker 1 And what's the matter? Did your father teach you that? Yeah, absolutely. Really? Yes, absolutely.
And what's the best way to defeat your enemies? Kill them. No.

Speaker 1 Kill them at

Speaker 1 Spark Steakhouse when they walk out after a fine meal.

Speaker 1 Best way to defeat your enemies, make them your friends.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Think about it. No, I mean, that's very true.
I mean,

Speaker 1 I think in the third one, he says, anger clouds your judgment. That's right.

Speaker 1 But let's be honest, that is not really the history of how the mafia works. I mean, the mafia works basically on fear.

Speaker 1 Do it our way. And by the way, this is something that empires throughout the ages ages have done.
This is what the Roman Empire did. This is what Genghis Kong did.
You know,

Speaker 1 we can get along very well if you just do exactly what we say, or we'll kill you. So, which would be a choice for you?

Speaker 1 Last for a time, but Chas Palmenteri, very dear friend of mine, we were together last night.

Speaker 1 Bronx Tale. Together, you mean

Speaker 1 we had dinner together.

Speaker 1 Bronx Tale. You love that movie.
Great movie. Great work.
Great movie.

Speaker 1 Do you remember the scene when Sonny is talking to little Kelloggio and Kelloggio says to him, is it better to be feared or to be loved in your life?

Speaker 1 And Sonny talks about it and he says, it's better to be feared in my line of work. Okay.
Good line in the movie.

Speaker 1 Cut to, I asked Chaz, at your Chaz, you around, Chaz is not a mob guy, but he was around, grew up in the neighborhood. He knew people.

Speaker 1 I said, Let me ask you this right now. In our life, my former life, you think it was better to be feared or to be loved? He said, Oh, it's better to be feared.
I said, You're wrong, Trash.

Speaker 1 He said, What do you mean? I said, Let me tell you, fear did keep people in line, myself included, no question. Fear kept us in line to a degree.
But here's what happened.

Speaker 1 When the RICO statute came out, and Rudy Giuliani, you have to say, the guy that learned how to use the RICO statute against the mob, the most effective prosecutor in that regard,

Speaker 1 when that statute came out and became so detrimental to our life, because

Speaker 1 now you could get murder can now become a federal crime, where before it was only a state crime, but it's a predicate act in the RICO. There was some mission creep.
Yes. So here's what happened.

Speaker 1 Now you get indicted for RICO. You're going to get 100 years, like all the commissioned guys.
So what they did to guys is said, listen, we're going to put you away for 100 years.

Speaker 1 You're not getting any bail. You'll never make parole.

Speaker 1 We'll give you some money. We'll put you in a witness protection program.
And you testify against these guys. They're going away forever.
Don't worry about it.

Speaker 1 What happened is the fear of the mob was transferred to the fear of the government. That's what destroyed that life.

Speaker 1 Governments can be a mafia. So can police departments.
You know, I mean, when you give people power, some will take it. Like government.
Yeah, they know, absolutely.

Speaker 1 No, it's, it's, you know, but what Winston Churchill said about our form of government, democracy, that it's the worst form of government, except for all the others. Yes.

Speaker 1 You know, you can't give people too much power and too much.

Speaker 1 Jack Webb on Dragnet said when somebody was complaining about one of the cops, he said, yes, ma'am, but we have to recruit from the human race. You know, humans are not good people.

Speaker 1 That's my essential.

Speaker 1 We're inherently bad.

Speaker 1 People are inherently bad. Yeah, kind of.
They got to turn to the good. I mean, there are some who somehow are saintly and altruistic, but it's not the default setting for humans.

Speaker 1 I agree. And civilization, I always say it, it's a mile wide and an inch deep because, like, you, the slightest little thing, and, you know, people would eat each other.
You know, I agree.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying if I was on a plane crash and

Speaker 1 there was nothing else, I would eat somebody, but yes, I would.

Speaker 1 And you would.

Speaker 1 What? As opposed to being eaten? Yeah, well, you know. Hopefully, we never have to make that choice, but I understand.

Speaker 1 You know, dog eat dog world. I agree.
I mean, we are animals very close to below the surface. And it's amazing, actually, that we keep the veneer of civilization as much with the lid on as we do.

Speaker 1 When I think about how many nutty people are out there with nutty ideas and weaponry,

Speaker 1 and it's basically, you know, because they're not accountable to a higher spirit, like I am, accountable to God.

Speaker 1 So you try to stay on track.

Speaker 1 I mean, just when I drive around the city, okay, there's like hundreds, thousands of people who were all in these big, very dangerous things that we could, if we wanted to, just go fucking nuts and drive it through the plate glass window of the store.

Speaker 1 And people don't. And there's like the occasional accident, but basically we're whizzing by each other.
Who the,

Speaker 1 you know, you can. But I know that they would hurt themselves also.
Maybe they weren't going to hurt themselves. They might do it.
Who knows?

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I mean, like a lot of accidents these days are people on their phones. And

Speaker 1 just, I'm not saying it's necessary malicious or they go nuts or zombie-esque. And, you know, it's, it's mad max, but yeah, some of that.

Speaker 1 I mean, the kind of people who live on the streets who you see are crazy.

Speaker 1 What if they got behind a wheel what what would they what would a homeless the kind of person who you're like oh that guy i feel bad for him but you know i'm staying away because he's obviously dangerous he's he's got something he's swinging you know you know what if that guy got in a car it's is that how does that not happen i don't give the homeless any ideas because they're big fans of this podcast

Speaker 1 But I mean, they were, from what I was, from what I read at one point, they were standing on an overpass on the freeway and throwing rocks down on there. I mean,

Speaker 1 you know, on the cars. Look,

Speaker 1 as an olive branch politically, I'll tell you something

Speaker 1 because I'm telling you, I don't hate everything. I'm not going to pre-hate.

Speaker 1 Here's something I absolutely do not hate about Trump being president again. Police morale will go up.
And police morale needed to go up.

Speaker 1 After George Floyd in 2020, police who have a racist history, but so does everything in America, have a racist history.

Speaker 1 We're unfairly branded something they're not. There are bad people everywhere, but it is a tough job.
And we also know about the police.

Speaker 1 They're quite sensitive. I don't blame them.

Speaker 1 They do a hard job that is pretty dangerous, not as dangerous as others. I have the the list, but okay, still dangerous and stressful.
And you wouldn't do it.

Speaker 1 And somebody has to do it because of that whole civilization being an inch deep thing.

Speaker 1 And, you know, people in this city, even the nice liberals, you know, the ones who still have their houses not burned down. We had a little trouble here with fire recently.
Okay. So.

Speaker 1 Thanks to your governor and well, it's not thanks to the wind, but yes, were things that come on. Sweetheart, my first editorial this season was all about how the government could have done better.

Speaker 1 So don't tell me that. No, I know that.
I know that.

Speaker 1 But it was mostly the wind. I also made that point.
Okay. Anyway.
But water and the hydrants would have helped. Water.

Speaker 1 I made that point. And the reservoir would have helped.
And the mayor being here. And the mayor being here.
Lots of things. And not choosing

Speaker 1 a fire chief because she was the best lesbian. A lesbian can do the job, I said, which is true.

Speaker 1 Of course it's true. But they didn't choose the best person.
They wanted to just, it was, let's have a lesbian first and then we'll get the best lesbian. Okay, that's not good enough

Speaker 1 for a job of this. It was very important.
It was very important to choose a lesbian. No, no, no, listen.
In case they had to rescue a lesbian.

Speaker 1 in the fire, the lesbian is going to be a lot more comfortable seeing another lesbian. Didn't care how big she was or if she can were out.
Bill, this is so insane.

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Speaker 1 And that's why I, and that's what I do.

Speaker 1 What you're referring to, if people don't know, is somebody else in the department,

Speaker 1 a deputy chief, said something like, when people

Speaker 1 are in an emergency like a fire, they want to see someone who looks like them coming.

Speaker 1 No, they just really want to get out of the fire. Should have been fired on the spot.
That's ridiculous. And again, this goes back to what I said about the worst thing Biden did.

Speaker 1 He just gave in to every bad impulse from the fringe that's not the worst thing biden did okay

Speaker 1 with our no no no no forget about him stealing the money and being treasonous that was as a vice president well okay if

Speaker 1 you was being nice to trump and saying no he no no no before you say that the worst thing joe biden did okay the guy's got blood on his hands for what he did at the border and allowed people to come in here to kill people in this country he did a terrible job with the border is it enough that i agree with that okay why did he do it because he he wanted to turn every state blue.

Speaker 1 There was no other reason for it. And so they would never lose another election.
No, if these people

Speaker 1 play fair, I don't know if that's so much as it is something even worse. Oh, that's your.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, the left,

Speaker 1 their biggest problem, I think, they have many psychologically, but one is the

Speaker 1 wine-sipping liberals, the white liberals, the white liberals, this is mostly,

Speaker 1 they just have this crazy

Speaker 1 need to beat themselves up about race in ways. Well, what else do they do?

Speaker 1 That's all it is.

Speaker 1 It's so part of their identity. And of course, it's so hypocritical.
It's like, if you really feel that bad, go switch houses with somebody and confidently.

Speaker 1 I'm sure they'll be happy to live in your house in the valley, and you could live in. You'll never see that happen.
No, of course not.

Speaker 1 But so that's the thing, is that they did not want to be, they so don't want to be seen as racist that it's somehow in their in their, this is again what they do that's so infuriating, they go to the ultimate end of what's counterintuitive often or just dumb, and they go all the way to, well, then we can't stop anybody from coming into the country because that would be racist.

Speaker 1 And that's not racist. It's just what every country has to do.
I hear you, and I appreciate that, but I don't believe that they're that, that they're worried so much about that. These people.

Speaker 1 No, they are. Trust me, this is my people.
These are my people. Well, no, they're not.
These are my people. I know these people.

Speaker 1 Bill, they're not even your people anymore because you've said it right. You haven't changed.
The party has changed. They're not your people.

Speaker 1 What I mean is they're people I know because I live here amid show business and Hollywood. And I'll admit this too: show business in our community is the epicenter of the problem.

Speaker 1 It is where the

Speaker 1 stupidity is deepest about this kind of stuff. I mean, I'm a proud liberal, but I'm not a...

Speaker 1 Do you think they really care about these people? That they're bleeding hearts and they needed to come here.

Speaker 1 No, I'm not saying they do. I'm not arguing with you now.
What I'm saying is, similar to what you're saying, it's so important to their identity.

Speaker 1 They're what I call liberals in theory, because I see how some of them act like in day-to-day with people, with their assistants, that kind of stuff. And it's so not liberal.

Speaker 1 It's just so county and

Speaker 1 born to the manor. And they're often very well-to-do and not afraid to spend their money on the stupidest things.
So yeah. They're such hypocrites.
Come on. They're such hypocrites.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. They really are.
You don't have to.

Speaker 1 Biden couldn't give it. If Biden, if he showed anything.
We're talking about a sliver of people here. We're not talking about all democrats.
I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 He's at the head of the. He was at the head for four years.

Speaker 1 Can I ask you this? Right, and that's why the Democrats lost, because they lost their touch with their own voters. They lost because their policies are horrible.
Right. Horrible.

Speaker 1 And they still haven't gotten it. No, they're still fighting.
They're still arguing.

Speaker 1 We're going to probably talk about this on my show Friday. The new head of the Democratic Committee, is it? Yeah, I see.

Speaker 1 And they started the meeting like, okay, we have to, we lost an election terribly to the guy we said could never win. Okay.
and he did it again.

Speaker 1 Okay, so we need a new leader and a new way of doing things. But first, we must acknowledge that we are sitting on land that was properly owned by the Chamash people.
It's like, same thing.

Speaker 1 You fucking idiots.

Speaker 1 You know, I did a whole bit on it in my special. Like, really? Either shut the fuck up or give it back.
Those are the only two choices. And you don't want to give it back.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So my theory, I think it's based on sound foundation. The only reason he opened up the border, didn't care who came in, who killed who, whose taxpayer money went to spend, he didn't care.

Speaker 1 Make every state blue.

Speaker 1 That's it. You never lose it.
I mean, that's a theory. That's, again, the reason why I believe you think that is because I have a pretty good idea of what media you listen to.

Speaker 1 So that's the kind of thing they say. And there may be some truth to that.
No, you know, first of all, it's a bad idea. You know why? Because the Latinos are voting for Trump now.

Speaker 1 But But they didn't know that. They were so bad.
I understand. They thought it was going to go the other way.

Speaker 1 You're right. They thought it was going to go the other way.
I'm not sure that was the, I think it's more the other thing is we're not racist. Everyone should come here.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Everyone should come here, and every taxpayer should take the, they didn't know.
They didn't calculate anything. As with everything, there's a sane middle ground.
I mean,

Speaker 1 like when Trump says they're the rapists, the criminals, and they're eating the dogs. Okay.
Well, they do eat dogs. No, like this, it's so funny.
Like, nobody will just come to the middle.

Speaker 1 Like, absolutely, most immigrants just want a job and they're law-abiding. But also, you know, that Venezuelan gang is not a boy band.

Speaker 1 You know, I don't want them in my country to get back to my thing about the police.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the people in this city, and again, oh, here, we got off track when I was going,

Speaker 1 these kind of phony baloney, you know, here in the nice restaurants and the people you see out on the town, like they're fed up.

Speaker 1 They're fed up that they can't go east of La Brea anymore without fearing for their life.

Speaker 1 They're fed up that they, you know, saw carjacking and they don't wear their good watch when they go out now because they're just

Speaker 1 they don't want to live in that world, that city. Like, oh, please.
I mean, they. So, and who gave them that?

Speaker 1 Again, you're not arguing, you're saying that this is what the Democrats have to get.

Speaker 1 You're even going to lose

Speaker 1 the Upper West side unless you come to grips with this. And again, I think the police will have a better morale because Trump,

Speaker 1 again, with everything with him, nothing in the middle, a little too much perhaps,

Speaker 1 but at least they know this guy has their back. And they feel like nobody has our back.
You wouldn't do it. It's a tough job.
You have to make decisions in split seconds.

Speaker 1 We get tarred as racists for the entire police force of the country because this asshole did this and this asshole did this. And, you know, things have changed.

Speaker 1 I always say to people, live in the area you're living in. I did some very rough editorials about the police 10, 15 years ago.
And a lot of the things I was complaining about have changed.

Speaker 1 Back then, No cop ever went to jail for anything. You could do whatever the cop did, they would come out and say, it's right in the manual.

Speaker 1 It's right in the manual that you shoot a guy in the back if he's six years old. Okay.

Speaker 1 That's not, then keep up with what happened. Live in this year.
There have been many cops who have gone to jail and also police chiefs who have not backed the guy who did the crime. You know,

Speaker 1 it's a different world. And cops, most of them are young.

Speaker 1 What's the uncoolest thing you can be in Los Angeles if you're 25, a racist?

Speaker 1 So, you know, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but, you know, I want the police to feel like, no, we appreciate it.

Speaker 1 We don't want to live in uncivilization. And we get it that you're the guys who make that possible.
Now, could I get another drink, waiter?

Speaker 1 The dumbest thing that I ever heard, and this is from a former mobster who didn't like the police at one time, is defund the police. It was the stupidest.
So stupid. They come up with stupid ideas.

Speaker 1 They make

Speaker 1 you need the police. Oh,

Speaker 1 they can, they can out stupid that. How about

Speaker 1 when a baby's born, we don't know what sex it is. I mean, a penis is a what? It's what it's, it's, it's an indicator of some, I don't know.

Speaker 1 So so you like the Trump's executive order, there are now only two genders recognized?

Speaker 1 No, but I'm very glad that I'm in one of the ones we're keeping.

Speaker 1 i really okay don't you think it's don't you think life is

Speaker 1 like in the mob speaking to that come on it must be what the women like did they throw themselves at you like rock stars if you're in the really it was pretty good yeah it was pretty

Speaker 1 is it like in um

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 1 henry what's up uh good fellas good fellas yeah i mean there it was like women were attracted to it women are attracted to power boys to power bad boys right a lot of women are attracted to bad boys that's right but i want you to know i'm married four four years now.

Speaker 1 How many? 40. This year, 40.
Wow.

Speaker 1 40. Young woman that saved my life.
Saved your life. If I don't meet her

Speaker 1 and walk away from this life at some point, I'm either dead or in prison.

Speaker 1 So a woman got you away from the life? Tell me that story. I met her.
She was 19 years old.

Speaker 1 I was producing a movie in South Florida. How old were you? I was 31.
Completely appropriate. Yeah.
31. And we had taken cast and crew from LA to work in the film and 20 professional dancers.

Speaker 1 It was a dance movie. And she was one of them.

Speaker 1 And I love it. I met her, and I love it.
That was it. And then I'll tell you what it really was.
That was it. You knew right away? I did.
How? I just knew, man. I just

Speaker 1 was blown away by that. Something about her.
It was different than, look. you know, I was around a lot and she was different than every other woman that I had met.
And I'll tell you this.

Speaker 1 I'll go even deeper. I call the mob life, causing Ostromafia, they're evil lifestyles.
But I want to be clear. I'm not calling the guys evil.
Right. You know, why do good people do bad things?

Speaker 1 There were good people there. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
Correct.

Speaker 1 I like that.

Speaker 1 Well, that's what the Christians say. And I'm

Speaker 1 a very

Speaker 1 devout.

Speaker 1 One day, can we have another conversation about that? Not today, but about Christianity? Why not right now? We can do it now. But let me finish my point.

Speaker 1 That's even an agenda here. No, that's even better.
Do I look like I have one? That's even better. But let me tell you this.

Speaker 1 The reason I call it an evil life, I don't know any family of any member of the life that hasn't been destroyed, including my own. Destroyed? Destroyed.
Like dead or...

Speaker 1 No, destroyed with a family is just a mess. Let me explain.
Now, not my wife and kids. I've been able to shield them from that.
But Michael, you can never lose your whole family. You can.

Speaker 1 That's what his mother says, so. She's wrong.
Let me tell you. You can never lose your family.
I know. Well, she says that to him.
He didn't yet. And then he goes and killed his brother, right?

Speaker 1 But he didn't. He killed Fredo after that.
Yes, he did. Okay.
You're right. But

Speaker 1 my mother, my dad does 40 years in prison. My mother, 33 years without a husband.
She passed away in 2012. Her relationship with my dad, ugly, because she blamed him for everything that went wrong.

Speaker 1 Rightfully so. She was innocent.
My sister dies of an overdose of drugs, 27 years old. My brother, 25 years, a drug addict.
What I had to to go through just to keep him alive on the street.

Speaker 1 My other sister, 40 years old, dies.

Speaker 1 Just, she wasn't, she wasn't all there. Oh, my gosh.
The family was destroyed. And every family of every member of that life that I know goes through a similar fate.

Speaker 1 So any, any lifestyle that does that to a family is no good. It's bad.
So I meet this girl. I fall in love with her.
She's 20 years old.

Speaker 1 I said, am I going to marry her and put her through the same thing? Because I got a huge target on my back, seven indictments already. They're never going to let me go.
Never.

Speaker 1 I'm going down. I'm not, you know, hey, I beat all of these cases.
I'm not the Teflon Michael or any of that. I knew eventually I'm going down.
And I said, I got to make a choice.

Speaker 1 At the same time, Giuliani went crazy with the Rico indictment. Giuliani told me in the courtroom.
Day of my arraignment, he gave me a million dollar bail.

Speaker 1 He said, if I convict you on this case, you're getting double what your father got. I'm going to give you 100 years.
That's the kind of time they were giving us.

Speaker 1 By the grace of God, I beat that case or I wouldn't be here right now. So I said, it's only a matter of time.
And when I go, I'm going forever. There's no question.

Speaker 1 So that's when I started to say, I got to get away from the life. So you met her before you went to prison? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And she stayed with you even though. She stayed with me eight years while I was in prison.
Really? And visited you how often? As often as she could.

Speaker 1 The government gave me a very hard time because they would move me around toward the city.

Speaker 1 Do they still have conjugal visits? No. The feds never had conjugal visits.
Do they still do that? In the state. Really? Yeah.
You get conjugal visits? In the state. Under certain conditions.

Speaker 1 But you didn't, for eight years, you didn't have, you were in prison. Yeah.
And you couldn't get a conjugal visit? No.

Speaker 1 I spent 29 months and seven days in solitary.

Speaker 1 Six by eight, so that's it.

Speaker 1 Me in a cell. In the hole? In the hole.
Shoo. That's you.
Special housing. How do you get through that? Tough.

Speaker 1 Like what? Like, what do you do?

Speaker 1 What do you do all day? You read? Oh, you can read. Yeah.
Even in the hole? Well, they give you books. Well, then that ain't the hole.
That ain't the hole I know. No, that's.

Speaker 1 I can't believe that they have ruined the hole. That's the hole you know.
Okay, everybody can have books. It was just like, it was literally a hole.

Speaker 1 Like in World War II movies, like when you throw the, when they, the Nazis throw you in the hole. Trust me, there's no reading.

Speaker 1 I don't know what a military prison in Germany was, but I'm saying in civilized prison here in the United States, you can read. In the hole yeah you just don't have vision

Speaker 1 what do you think about people who are in solitary you know that to me is all solitary bill oh i know but that but i'm talking about solitary just permanently in the prison yeah that's part what it's crazy right that'll drive you crazy you need human contact absolutely i mean it

Speaker 1 to keep you sanity i saw a lot of things happen bad there with guys that just couldn't handle it and I don't demean them. It was rough.
I mean, I've seen wrists being slit and a lot of bad things.

Speaker 1 So how do you take care of your sexual needs for eight years? You don't.

Speaker 1 That's it. Very simple.
You don't. Yeah.
I remember one day. You come out crazy.
There was a great scene in The Sopranas where Tony sees a guy at a gas station who.

Speaker 1 You know this scene?

Speaker 1 No, he didn't kill him.

Speaker 1 No, this was a game. He ran into him.
He had just, this is a guy who had been in prison, and he just sees him and he comes over and he's like, oh, wow. You know, it's great to see you.

Speaker 1 I'm glad you're out. And, you know, the guy you could tell is a little bitter.
And Tony says, you know, I wanted to this and I wanted to do that.

Speaker 1 And he goes, yeah, and I wanted to have sex with a woman, but I masturbated into a tissue for five years. Okay.

Speaker 1 Does that describe your experience?

Speaker 1 I'm not saying it doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 But masturbation, why are you so shy about that? Shy. You're in prison.
At least you didn't take it up the ass. No.
No. Right.
A lot of guys did. A lot of guys did? Yeah.
Against their will?

Speaker 1 No, I didn't see much of that. Not against their will.

Speaker 1 Most guys.

Speaker 1 It's interesting that you see more of that in the state, not as much in the feds. Feds are a little more, they got more control.

Speaker 1 Okay. So if you're saying if you have to go to prison.
Oh, you want to do federal time without a doubt. But I will say this about the Michael Corleone killing his brother thing.
May I? Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1 I think it was wrong, but you got to admit, after that, Connie stopped her bitching.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Yes. It was wrong.
It was wrong. You don't kill your brother.
No. Hey, my brother,

Speaker 1 you know, became an informant. Really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And is he alive? Yeah. Really? Witness protection? He was.
He was? Yeah. What's that like? Do you do you know even

Speaker 1 is even the family kept away from knowing the identity? Yes.

Speaker 1 Really? Yeah. So you're not in touch with him because he was in the program? Yeah.

Speaker 1 really i i didn't speak so he could be living as as as joe flemstein and sheboygan yeah i mean my brother i didn't speak to him for 10 years

Speaker 1 holy crow and then um

Speaker 1 at a 70th birthday party surprise party and my wife invited him wow you're 70 you look good for 70 i'll be 74 this year holy fuck my dad lived good italian olive oil skin my dad lived to 103.

Speaker 1 johnny fontaine with his olive oil skin and you

Speaker 1 kidding charm.

Speaker 1 A man in my position cannot afford to look ridiculous. That's right.
Well, you get out of here. You like that? You tell him I ain't no band leader.
Oh, yeah, I heard that story.

Speaker 1 Until he got the horse's head.

Speaker 1 And by the way,

Speaker 1 people ask me all the time, did you ever cut off a horse? I said, no, we don't do that.

Speaker 1 And then, no, no, no, listen. And then two months ago, I read an article about guys in Italy that cut off a head and left it in somebody's.
You know what? They ought to have a mafia museum they do

Speaker 1 the mob museum in

Speaker 1 Vegas you've never been no oh there's a mob museum you would love it and they have like a horse's head

Speaker 1 you would you would love the mob museum cement blocks that they put guys feet in when they put them over the i can't believe you don't know there's a mob museum i don't

Speaker 1 it's a terrific exhibit terrific a lot of people say vegas was better when the mob ran it 100

Speaker 1 100

Speaker 1 you know that you were there absolutely you're talking about the rat Pack days? Yes. Days of the Dunes Hotel, and we owned those places.
I mean, why? It was built Vegas. You know the mobile.

Speaker 1 Oh, of course. That's what the, I mean, the

Speaker 1 character of Mo Green

Speaker 1 in The Godfather is really Bugsy Siegel. That's right.
And Bugsy Siegel, I mean, the great speech that

Speaker 1 Lee Strasberg has in Godfather 2, there was this kid. We started out together, did all our first work together.
That was Myerlansky.

Speaker 1 Right, Meyer Lansky. He kind of looked up to me.
I was a little older. Made a fortune.
During Prohibition, we ran molasses to Canada. Your father, too.

Speaker 1 Later on, I'm really impressed with this. He had an idea

Speaker 1 to build a city out of a desert stopover for GIs.

Speaker 1 This was a great man, a man of guts and vision.

Speaker 1 Someone put a bullet in his eye.

Speaker 1 That's Mo Green.

Speaker 1 That's Myrlansky because he's saying he's a great man because he built Las Vegas. And he did.
It's his idea. It was his idea.

Speaker 1 What did he say? He said, I didn't get mad. I didn't get mad.
I knew Moe. Don't blame anybody.
Headstrong saying stupid things. When I heard about it, I didn't ask who gave the order.

Speaker 1 I let it go.

Speaker 1 I said, this is the business we've chosen.

Speaker 1 You got it down. Now, that $2 million in your room.
It's not here, but I'm not sure. It's on the table when I get out of it.
I'm going to take a nap. And that was a phony scene.
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 Because Maya Lansky had juice, but he would have never taken control of that meeting with other maid guys in there. Never.
Really? No.

Speaker 1 No way.

Speaker 1 And he was lucky with Giano's guy. You know that.
What do you think about other mafias that come along? I mean, are you jealous? Do you guys have sort of beef with each other?

Speaker 1 Do you, you know, I mean, Mexico, I mean, there's a lot of Russian mafia. I got along great with them.
They were my partners.

Speaker 1 They were my partners in the gas business. So cynical.
We made a lot of money together. The Russian mafia? Yeah.

Speaker 1 You worked with me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I had three Russian partners. Made more money with them than anybody else.
They were great partners. Now, don't try to connect me to, you know, Donald Trump or something.

Speaker 1 But that's because they're ruthless? No, they weren't ruthless. They were good businessmen.
They worked 24-7.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I'll tell you what happens with Russia. I meet them, whatever.

Speaker 1 You know the background that I was defrauding the government had a tax on, you know that.

Speaker 1 So when I meet them,

Speaker 1 they had a number of gas stations called Gas Stop. It was their own brand.
But they couldn't get the licenses that we needed to, in order to collect the tax. Couldn't do it.
So I cut a deal with them.

Speaker 1 And I said, here's the deal. 75% me, 25% you.
There's three of them, right?

Speaker 1 Mike Marquetz, he was a Romanian egos.

Speaker 1 I don't think that's very fair, Mr. Michael.
I said, no, it's very fair. He said, why?

Speaker 1 I said, because we're street guys. I know you're going to steal a little bit.
I said, this is where I got the major share. I said, you steal a little bit.
I said, just don't let me catch you, right?

Speaker 1 He goes back, Bill, he talks to his other two Russian friends. He comes back, he says, we got a deal.

Speaker 1 And we were together seven years we never had an argument we made a ton of money together there's a lot of heart in crime a lot of heart you know i mean there really is

Speaker 1 i didn't realize that there's a you so you have a kind of a camaraderie with these other criminals that you're hey we're still we're men yeah we're still we had this brotherhood going together

Speaker 1 what a man does for a living But your business is a little dangerous. Listen, I have said this and everybody, Michael, come on, on, it's not true.
It is true.

Speaker 1 In my era in that life, we were not allowed to deal with drugs. We were told if we dealt with drugs, we would die.
And I know guys that got killed because of it.

Speaker 1 Feeling with, we were not cartels. We didn't move.
In Italy, yeah, they're big heroin deals and all. Not here.
We couldn't do it. Were guys doing it on a sneak? Of course.

Speaker 1 They're trying to make a living. But you wouldn't, we weren't allowed to do it.
The reason Gotti was in trouble, because his crew was dealing drugs. I'm not saying John was.

Speaker 1 I don't know if John was. He's probably getting a piece, but he wasn't directly doing it.
But that's why Castellano was going to kill him.

Speaker 1 But that is really the difference between the old mafia and the new mafia. They got into drugs and it was a corrupting force.
Well, they couldn't. Drugs are bad business, dirty business.
Right.

Speaker 1 Exactly what Don Coleon said. Exactly what he said.
He's 100% right. They don't forgive drugs.
The DEA, the cop, they don't forgive drugs. Right.
And they shouldn't.

Speaker 1 And that's another reason I got to go back. Wake hate Biden.
You know, Bill, you know fentanyl is coming in in this country in droves. How do you not, you're the president.

Speaker 1 You were put in a position of trust. Your number one priority is to, is for the safety of the American people.
That's what you swore to. You took an oath.
Can I tell you something?

Speaker 1 Joe Biden is worse than half of the mob guys I knew on the street. Bill, you got to admit it.
There's a bad guy. Come on, he's a bad guy.
Donald Trump wouldn't do that.

Speaker 1 Donald Trump is closing the border.

Speaker 1 He wouldn't do no he has a conscience at least yeah i mean i mean joe's shortcomings i don't think come out of a desire to see kids on fentanyl but he did but but he you're right you're right in in the sense of is are you responsible 100

Speaker 1 you know they're not going to stop all the fentanyl coming in by stopping immigration. I think 80% of it comes in through citizens of the United States.
Yes. Oh, you know? Post office.
Some of it too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know that. But a lot of it is coming over the border.
I like what Trump said. You bring this stuff over, we're going to shoot you.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 and that's what they should do.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry, because I am a Christian, but I have

Speaker 1 so far in this conversation, like there are things that they will pull out. The whole first 40 minutes of me like railing Trump's asshole, they'll put that and say,

Speaker 1 where they'd hate me, like look at it. Look at him, me too.
And then they'll put the things where I'm agreeing with you about how crazy crazy the left is, and it'll just show you on that.

Speaker 1 Oh, I hope so.

Speaker 1 No, that's what they do. Whereas to really understand,

Speaker 1 you have to watch the whole conversation. Yes, I think a lot of people do when you're involved.
I hope so. But

Speaker 1 you're not starving. But plainly, thank you.
How long have you been doing this?

Speaker 1 31 years on TV without a break. I'm going to tell you something.
31 years. I'm going to tell you something.
It's amazing. To do 31 years without a break in this industry.

Speaker 1 And this is how much the media hates me. They won't even cover that.
Because like, even though I voted for her, I'm not good. That's one reason I really have a thing for them.

Speaker 1 They just, they're so exclusionary. Unless you're with them 100%

Speaker 1 and anybody who stands out of line and goes, yeah, I'm not going to go with you 100% because a lot of what you think is so fucking stupid. And I'm not going to pretend I don't see it.

Speaker 1 I know, but that's because you're a man, you have integrity, and you speak what you say. I mean that.
Yeah. I'm serious.
No, I know. And look, I mean, you pay a price for it.

Speaker 1 My son-in-law absolutely loves you. And I was mad at him at the time.
He said, what do you like this guy for?

Speaker 1 I'm serious. I used to say, what do you mean? Now look at us.
We're bros. And then in the last couple of years, I'm saying, man, I think I was wrong.
Bill,

Speaker 1 he says it like it is. What do you believe? And I really mean that.
Well, I will not be the one to break the peace we've made today.

Speaker 1 But listen. I just want to, you don't have to admit to anything.
I just want you to think about this because maybe we'll come back. It doesn't have to be be come over dinner.

Speaker 1 Give Trump, and you are, you said it. I'm not going to hate everything.
I'm going to

Speaker 1 pre-hate. You will not pre-hate.

Speaker 1 The guy is going to. What I hate, I will say.
Okay. And what I don't hate, I will say.
I believe this about Trump, and there's the only reason why I like him. I don't know him.

Speaker 1 I think he cares about the people in this country. He does.
I would not argue with that. He genuinely loves America, loves,

Speaker 1 you know, everything it gave him.

Speaker 1 He just has a mental problem.

Speaker 1 He's a, you know, like narcissist is a word they throw around a lot. They don't they don't really

Speaker 1 understand when they talk about it, I think, that it's an actual psychological issue. It's in like the psychology digest.

Speaker 1 It's diagnosable. Like if it was bipolar, people would be like, oh, God, bipolar, we can't have that.
Narcissism, they just kind of think, oh, it's a personality quirk. It's way beyond that with him.

Speaker 1 If you love him and you flatter him, everything is great and he will never disagree with you or denounce you, whether you're Vladimir Putin or Satan.

Speaker 1 And if you oppose him, then he will just goes immediately into five-year-old, I will destroy you mode.

Speaker 1 I just don't think this is a way to run a railroad. I just don't think ultimately this is going to turn out well.
But you know what? Again,

Speaker 1 I don't think it's bad that we're re-examining a lot of things that just slowly this country was bloating itself to death. It's just

Speaker 1 things like slowly over time, like the way no government program ever ends. If you start it, it grows and it grows.
And yes, I'm not, I'm not.

Speaker 1 yet going to condemn Elon Musk, even though he seems to have a cadre of teenagers who are running through the government to find things.

Speaker 1 But I don't know, maybe nobody but a 24-year-old has the energy to do that. Bill, some of these kids, I mean, I have a team around me.
I can't even, I couldn't compete with them.

Speaker 1 These kids are brilliant.

Speaker 1 What do you mean a team around you for your podcast? Yeah, for all my stuff, you know, my company and all that. And a lot of them is just my partner here.

Speaker 1 I mean, he does things that I can't even, I don't even want to know. When I say, I don't even want to learn.
It's too complicated for me. These young kids are smart.

Speaker 1 And are any of your managerial skills that you brought to podcasting borrowed from your days in the old life? Like you break a knee if somebody is

Speaker 1 in the break room too long or something?

Speaker 1 I mean, look, you know,

Speaker 1 the answer is yes. I mean, no, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't mean breaking knees and all of that. No, I don't mean that.

Speaker 1 But I'm saying

Speaker 1 I think the most important thing in life to be successful, I mean, one of the very, very strong elements is really know how to deal with people.

Speaker 1 Know how to deal with people. Networking is extremely important.
Knowing how to deal with people. And you're on the street.
If you don't know how to deal with people, you're not going to last.

Speaker 1 You know, and honestly, I was one of the

Speaker 1 mostly. One of the five families.
Yes. Columbia.
I was in Brooklyn. Not affiliated with the Columbia School of Broadcasting.
No. Or the university.
Just a completely different family.

Speaker 1 Completely different. And the families were i think i can name colombo gambino

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 bon jovi no

Speaker 1 close wait uh

Speaker 1 oh god i used to know these um lucchisi lucchese lucchese

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 what was carmine galante who's come on he was he was a genovese guy genovese yeah genovese and then one more one more

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 you could eat it in the morning with your cereal germaine no oh that's the Jackson 5. It's yellow.

Speaker 1 The custard? Close. No.
Lemon. No, no.

Speaker 1 Eat it in the morning in the middle. The cereal with the lemon.
Orange juice family? No. Well, I don't, I forget.
Bonano. Bonano, right.
I forgot about those. And Colombo, you forgot that.

Speaker 1 That was my. I remember when I was living in New York in 1979 and the front page of the Daily News, I'll never forget it, the picture of Carmine Galante

Speaker 1 gunned down with the cigar in his mouth and the blood running out on the floor of

Speaker 1 Alberto's clam house. No, that was Joey Gallo

Speaker 1 that got killed there. Really? Yeah, Carla Galetto was in another restaurant.

Speaker 1 It wasn't okay. Yeah, Joey Gallo was killed just outside.
Okay, so they have the mob museum. What about a mob tour? They have that too.

Speaker 1 They got mob tours in the world. The ideas have been done, too.
They got one in Chicago.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you what. Listen to me.

Speaker 1 Doesn't have one in New York where you can see all the places, Sparks. I can take you there.
No, but wouldn't that be good? I mean, all the places where...

Speaker 1 I mean, that's where it started with the Black Hand. Remember the Black Hand? Maybe they do have one.
But here's a deal I'll make with you. And this is totally on you.

Speaker 1 If you ever want to go to the Mob Museum in Vegas, I might do that. Call me.
No,

Speaker 1 let me take care of you. Because I'll give you a tour like that.
I know them all there. I know them all.
Believe me, if I'm going, I'm going with you. It'll be good.

Speaker 1 And we're going to go with Carrot Top to the Mob. No, go with you to the Mom Museum.
Go to Carrot Top to the Spearman Rhino.

Speaker 1 We'll have a good time. But you're going to watch that movie, right? Gotta...

Speaker 1 Ogotti from 1996. 1996.
You think I can only get it on YouTube? Well, I don't know anywhere. I mean, no, I don't know where I'll.
I'll get it. Yeah.
I will get it. It was brilliant.
Okay.

Speaker 1 You want to go back to Trump or you want to forget Trump? Go ahead. Whatever's on your mind.
Well, you already said you're going to give the guy a chance. And you said this too, which I appreciate.

Speaker 1 You believe he loves America and you you believe he loves this country.

Speaker 1 I don't think Donald Trump will do anything to hurt America. Not intentionally.
Not intentionally. Okay, well.
And I think the other side has done a lot to hurt America. Not intentionally.

Speaker 1 Oh, come on.

Speaker 1 Jesus.

Speaker 1 It's such bad faith to think that way. So this is what I always tell the left to not to do, is to hate the other half of the country.

Speaker 1 But you just said that you think they want to hurt America intentionally. They do.

Speaker 1 They do.

Speaker 1 Okay, if I thought the right intentionally wanted to hurt America, I would hate them. But I don't think that.
And I don't think he doesn't intentionally want to do it either.

Speaker 1 When you know that people are coming into this country and killing other people and raping and murdering... Not most of them.
But many of them. Some of them.

Speaker 1 In any group of a million people, there's going to be some criminals. Same with immigrants.

Speaker 1 Actually, less than the percentage of citizens because immigrants, when they're here, mostly what they are is scared and they don't want to be caught.

Speaker 1 So like I notice when I drive around here or anywhere, but definitely my area

Speaker 1 where there's a lot of maids and gardeners and so forth, like. Those people drive perfectly.
They do not want to get involved with law enforcement. Let me ask you.
The white people will do anything.

Speaker 1 The white people are like, excuse me, if they wave. I'm going to jump across three lanes and cut you off and then come back and cut you off again the other.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 That's what the white people do. Let me ask you this.
Let's take it a step further. Christopher Wray, what did you think of him? Head of the FBO.
God, are we going to go? No, no, no, no, just quickly.

Speaker 1 I thought he was a straight arrow. Okay.
Which he was. And if you don't think that

Speaker 1 you're ideologically catching,

Speaker 1 I'm not going to comment on him. Okay, great.
Christopher Wray got up there and said, we have terrorist cells that have entered this country in the past couple of years. Sure.

Speaker 1 They're operating within the country. I said I thought Biden did a horrible job with the border.
But you know that there's terrorists coming into this country. And

Speaker 1 he closed the border. I don't want a finger.
I said he did a terrible job. Well, that's what I'm saying.
We just disagree on what the motivation was. You think it was intentional.
100%.

Speaker 1 Because when he knew it was happening, why didn't he close the border? Okay.

Speaker 1 Letting the people in was intentional. The motivation, no, it wasn't to hurt America.

Speaker 1 well once he knew that they were here in this was to be because the left has again this thing in their brain these are the people with the signs on the front you know there are that say in this house we believe so you think bill you think

Speaker 1 was a humanitarian

Speaker 1 it's very important in their minds that they think of themselves as humanitarians much he was a racist too Look at all the racist comments he made in his career.

Speaker 1 Biden was a racist. Well,

Speaker 1 he wasn't humanitarian.

Speaker 1 He's the same kind of racist that Trump is, a man of a certain age who hasn't gotten certain memos. That's all it is.
Do they really,

Speaker 1 I don't think even Trump is that kind of a racist. They want to paint him.
No, he did some terribly racist things, like, you know, his crusade against the Central Park V.

Speaker 1 That was wrong. That was wrong.

Speaker 1 And also, the Central Park V were not innocent of other crimes, just not that one. Okay, so I'm glad you admit that was wrong.
I was wrong. Okay, but do I think he hates black people? I do not.

Speaker 1 I think he wants to be a hero to everybody. And I think, like with anybody, again, back to his quirk, anyone who flatters him, black, white, or green, is persona grata.
And anybody who doesn't.

Speaker 1 But you're getting off my point. What was the point? Biden.

Speaker 1 When Biden knew, no, when Biden and the whole

Speaker 1 credit. and everyone in control knew that this was happening, why didn't they immediately shut the border and say, we got terrorists within our country? Because I explained to you.
We have to stop.

Speaker 1 Our own FBI director is telling us that. I explained to you why already.
I'm glad I'm not married to you because it must be hell. I live in the 2004.

Speaker 1 I know, but you don't.

Speaker 1 After you get the explanation, you still keep going,

Speaker 1 which is fine, but yeah. I've never been married.
No? Isn't that amazing? Yeah. 69.
We're almost the same age. Really? You don't look 69.

Speaker 1 Look, if I look like you in five years, I will fucking take it. But

Speaker 1 yeah, you know what? I never would have thought

Speaker 1 when I was younger and when I heard about this age that it was going to be like this. I would have thought it would be way worse.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 1 I mean, they kind of presented it as like you're one foot in the grave, decrepit, and you can't do anything anymore. It's like,

Speaker 1 I'm not that different than I, I'm waiting for the, for the other shoe to drop. But at the moment, I'm not, it's nothing is that different.

Speaker 1 I'm glad you said that because I don't feel much the energy than I felt 20, 30 years ago. Yeah.
No, I was expecting

Speaker 1 a much older man and a more reasonable one. No, I'm fucking fucking with you.

Speaker 1 You know what? I think,

Speaker 1 listen.

Speaker 1 You might think I have this block in my head with Trump. I don't.

Speaker 1 The way I look at it this way, Bill. I have a wife.
I have children. I'm 74 years old.
I probably lived longer than I thought I was going to live when things were tight for me.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I'm worried about their future. I want this country to be the country that, believe it or not, I grew up in.

Speaker 1 It was great. I love America for that.
I want them to have the same. And in the past four years, it scared me.
I say, what the heck is going on here?

Speaker 1 It really scared me. I said, what are my kids and my grandkids? I have seven grandkids.
What are they going to, what kind of world are they going to live in?

Speaker 1 What kind of country are they going to live in? And it really worried me. And that's why I like Trump, because I think he's trying to straighten America.

Speaker 1 There are things

Speaker 1 that, I mean, I said it on my, it's so funny to the point about like they only report the part they want to report. Last week, I said something very complimentary about Trump.

Speaker 1 Probably maybe the only thing in the whole show.

Speaker 1 And of course, I forget what outlet was it. That's the one thing they picked out because they hate me.
So they want to show it. Bill Maher was like kissing Trump's ass.

Speaker 1 What I said was, and I'll say it again, and I'm perfectly happy to say it a million times,

Speaker 1 when they asked him about the plane crash over the Potomac, and some reporter said, are you going to visit the crash site?

Speaker 1 Now, any other politician would go, well, of course, it's our prayers and thoughts. And he went, the crash site? It's the water.

Speaker 1 Do you want me to swim to it? I remember that. And it was like, that's when I like Donald Trump.
And that's why people like him, because he said what was real.

Speaker 1 He has the ability to do that. You know, he's done other badass things.
That thing where he was with the Taliban dude, and he has the guy bring in the aerial photograph of the guy's house.

Speaker 1 And he goes, that's your house. If one American is hurt in this withdrawal,

Speaker 1 we know where it is.

Speaker 1 You know, I love America. I do too.

Speaker 1 Always have. And I'm a history major, and I've read the news since I was a teenager.
I know, not from traveling as well as other people, perhaps, but I know what the rest of the world is like.

Speaker 1 And I'm old enough to have studied the history of it going back to the 60s. I have a good perspective on this country versus every other country.

Speaker 1 So many of the young people today, they have no interest in even finding out.

Speaker 1 They have this idea in their head that they live in a terrible place that's worse than every otherwhere. If they could just get out, that would be the thing.
Just get me the the fuck out of here.

Speaker 1 Good fucking luck, even with all our problems. No, I will always be with the, you know, I like America.

Speaker 1 It's got its issues for sure, but we don't need a revolution. We need to fucking fix it.

Speaker 1 Fixing is different. Now,

Speaker 1 would I go about all the fixing ways he's doing it? invading Greenland, et cetera. No.

Speaker 1 But I'm willing to see where it goes.

Speaker 1 I will never be willing to concede that he should be there in the first place because you really shouldn't be a guy who doesn't believe in elections, results.

Speaker 1 That's a no-brainer and

Speaker 1 one thing that I can't give on. But he's there.
I live in the present. You know, it's funny, Michael, these people, they come up to me all the time, you know, when I'm out.

Speaker 1 And it's like, oh my God, Bill, what are we going to do? You know, and I'm always like, get a fucking grip.

Speaker 1 look around you you're in a restaurant you're eating a 800 dinner shut the up when your life actually goes in the toilet then tell me but don't confront me with this cognitive dissonance between oh my god what are we gonna do and your cushy life exactly there are some people who are gonna be hurt like perhaps by what trump is doing the people who can't afford eggs now um I didn't see him solve that problem.

Speaker 1 Well, you know, you know what you proved? You just said the media is not supporting you, whatever, but 31 years you didn't need them. Didn't need them.

Speaker 1 And now more than ever.

Speaker 1 More than ever now. Yeah.
It's interesting. They let the

Speaker 1 podcasters into the press room now. I know.
I applied.

Speaker 1 I don't know if I'll get him. Oh, I think you will after this.

Speaker 1 I think you will. I would love to.

Speaker 1 That would be like a milestone. You know what else was a milestone?

Speaker 1 I can actually arrange that. Could you arrive?

Speaker 1 Well, at least a conduit right to the top please

Speaker 1 i really mean i would be very appreciative oh yeah any favor that you

Speaker 1 it's not even my daughter's wedding you know i'll do whatever you want if you can get me in

Speaker 1 but you know what else you know the other thing that was really satisfying to me um three days ago i had rudy giuliani on my podcast how's he doing

Speaker 1 Well, he was, he was great.

Speaker 1 He was a terrific sit-down. It was just great.
Yeah, for me, it's like came full circle. This is the guy that wanted to put me away for 100 years.

Speaker 1 You know what he said to me? He says, Michael, I've been watching you for 30 years. He said, I really think what you're doing is real.

Speaker 1 He says, I respect you for getting out of that life and turning your life around. And that meant something to me coming from him, because I knew we were...
badly unopposed.

Speaker 1 Right, for people who don't know, in the 90s, he was the prosecutor in New York, and then he was the mayor. He was a great mayor.
Come on, after 9-11, he did a great job. America's mayor.

Speaker 1 He was great. Yeah.
He's a great leader. That to me, that's the formula.
A

Speaker 1 Republican moderate, which he was then,

Speaker 1 in a blue place.

Speaker 1 When you find that, like Republican governors in blue states, Larry Hogan and Maryland, there are others.

Speaker 1 It just works because they can't get too far right because it's a blue state, but they're not full of bullshit, woke nonsense.

Speaker 1 So their popularity is always like, you know, 80%.

Speaker 1 So can we do that here? I was going to say, can we just fucking get that formula? Here.

Speaker 1 Well, in California. Oh, in California.
Yes. That could happen here in California.
That's exactly what California needs. Absolutely.
And I say that, and I like Gavin Newsome a lot.

Speaker 1 Don't even start the argument. But no,

Speaker 1 I was hoping at some point he would moderate to the center. It doesn't look like it's happening.
So I can like somebody personally. Digging his heels in.

Speaker 1 Yeah, as all the Democrats are. Looking for 50 million to fight Trump while the city is burning.
Well, we have done this podcast on land that rightfully belongs to the Chumash tribe.

Speaker 1 I'm not getting it. And I would like to apologize for us just being here before we go off the air.
Okay. Do you have anything you want to plug before I?

Speaker 1 No, I mean, we had a great presentation.

Speaker 1 and your mafia where do we where do we find your podcast you're a very popular podcast my podcast is on YouTube and Rumble and everywhere else like you and the book mafia

Speaker 1 promise me you'll read that book at least breeze through it I want you to read because it makes a lot of sense I don't want to get into all now because I get carried away

Speaker 1 and movies and it's trust me and then say you know what you're full of shit or I agree with you no no no yeah I think well I already know what I think about you that's a full of shit and what I agree with you and it's a a healthy dose of me.

Speaker 1 That's what makes friends, you know? That's right.

Speaker 1 I thought when your time came, Michael, Senator Corley.

Speaker 1 You got that down. You sound just like him.
I don't apologize.

Speaker 1 That's my life.

Speaker 1 And I refuse to dance on the end of strings held by big shots.

Speaker 1 I want all the clothes checked out. You don't know who it is.

Speaker 1 You got it down. What's the other one? You got it down.

Speaker 1 I'm going to do the other line, but okay. I did it, Pop.
I checked it.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 1 That is amazing. That's for you.
That is awesome. Oh, there's Jazz.
There's Jazz. Merlin.
Paul Servino. Oh, Phil.
And that's the guy who I jerked off into a tissue. That's the guy.

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