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The volume. Thunder, thunder, sweep the Grizzlies.
SGA had 38 points and finally found his rhythm. In the first three games, he was averaging 24 points per game, but it was taking him almost 23 shots to get those.
He was shooting 35% when he shot almost 52% from the floor in the regular season. He had made only six of 24 threes, shooting 25%, but in game four, SGA was SGA.
13 of 24, 11 of 13 free throws. They end up sweeping the Memphis Grizzlies.
And you knew it was over. They had a 27-point lead.
Jog goes up, comes down. And, hey, that lead dissipates.
They end up losing that game. So you know it was just a matter of time before they ended up getting swept.
So they passed the first test. You know, they've been the best team in the Western Conference for the entirety of the season, Twan.
So what do you think? They're going to play the winner of the Clippers Nuggets series. What you like? Can anybody pose a threat to them? Honestly, I just think they don't have that next guy.
You know, I think Shea should be the MVP this year. She could have won it last year.
I wouldn't have had no problem with it. I think this year he gets it.
I don't see the second guy. I just haven't seen.
I mean, we know Williams is so great. You don't like Jalen Week.
Excuse me. I do like him, but I need to see him put to the test.
I need to see him put to the test where he had to get 30, 35 on a given night. Right.
So I see that. I just don't trust them against a veteran team.
I just think you get one of those the Clippers or Denver, whichever team you face, those guys have been there before. They're going to know how to guard you.
The respect level's a little different. They got the toughness to go in your building to get a win.
That's where they're going to be a little different at. It's actually kind of bad for them to see either one of those teams because those teams are older teams and they're veteran teams that can give them trouble because they know how to play in the playoffs.
So neither one of those teams are going to be great matchups for them, but they are a great home team. And by having the best record, I always say this, it means something when you take care of business in the season, because you get those most important games on the floor, on your floor.
You get that five and seven. You get five and seven on your home floor.
That's why you take care of business during the season. I'll never forget that.
You always want to have that home court advantage. So that's where they can be.
That's where they can have the advantage because they play so great in that building. But it's going to be tough for them.
The next rounds are going to be tough for them. Look for them to be long, serious.
And can anybody else step up and help Shea out? We know Shea's going to have some moments where he gets 35, 40, hell, maybe even 45. Who's going to be that next guy that steps up? And that's going to be remaining to be seen.
Hey, Tawon, so basically probably OKC is similar to in the same situation based on who they play, whether it be the Nuggets, whether it be the Clippers. They're going to be in a similar situation like the Rockets right now with the Warriors.
Yeah, it's just, not saying that they're young. I mean, the OKC guys have been together a while.
I just think, and you guys know this, and Shay goes back to what you did to start the show off. When you start naming stars, you don't even name Shay.
You didn't name nobody else off OKC. That's a team that won 60 games this year.
Think about it. You didn't name two, three guys off OKC.
I just don't think. There's nothing wrong with that.
They have great complementary guys. They got great role players.
I just don't see that next superstar, a guy that can help you win a game. Who's going to go win a game besides Shea? I want to see that.
Let's see the next guy step up and get 30-35 let's see Shea have 10 points a bad night foul trouble he don't get it done who's going to be that next guy that steps up for them so that remains to be seen that's where the test is going to come in at yeah look I didn't think Memphis was going to do much and when Scottie Pippen Jr. was your best player on the Memphis Grizzlies, and I'm happy for him because he seemingly found a home in Memphis, and they're giving him opportunity to showcase his ability.
But I didn't really expect much from Memphis in this series. Even with Ja, maybe they could have got a game.
Maybe a game. Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe a game.
I think that game, they had a 27-point lead. I think if Ja stays in, they'd probably win that one.
Yeah, they might have won that one. Maybe they get a game.
Maybe. Maybe.
Maybe. Maybe.
All things be equal, they get two. But, I mean, you look at them.
Holmgren had 11. Jalen Williams had 23.
Hartenstein had 11 and 12. Shea was Shea.
But what they kill you is that, you know, they're a great defensive team because they got Caruso. They got Isaiah Joe.
They got Wallace. They got Lou Dort.
They got Chet that can protect the rim if somebody gets beat off the dribble. They got big.
They got two bigs. And they don't have a problem playing two bigs.
But then when they go small, they got guys that are scrappy, they can defend, everybody can defend at an extremely high level, but I agree with you, but the question is, man, you got to be able to have Shea under control, because if you don't, he'll end up shooting 15, 20 free throws on you. Oh, you have to...
Go ahead, go ahead, Tori. No, I'm saying you have to beat them.
I do agree with you. You have to beat them.
They're not going to beat themselves. I think with the young group, they got fresh legs.
They play lively. They play great at home.
So they're going to, and they got a guy. I mean, Shea is a guy.
He's a guy that can get you 35-40. That's what you want in the playoffs.
They got all the ingredients to make a deep run. I'm just worried when you get into a series with better

teams that make double-teams, Shea,

and maybe force some other guys to beat you,

are those other guys ready to deliver

at the level that you need to?

Think about some of these teams. I mean,

think about the Lakers. You know,

they got two guys that can get it done.

You know, when we talk about OKC,

we just don't. Williams is great.

Don't get me wrong. He's a great young player.

He made the All-Star team this year.

He's shown that he can be a 20,

25-point scorer. Hell, he's had some

30-point performances. But

if you got to get another guy that can go

to, I don't think as you get along, you start

playing the better teams, they're not going to let

Shea beat them.

I just don't think that. I think they're going to double team.
They're going to make these other guys have to beat them. If I was playing against them, that's what I would do.
But the OKC did the right thing. Everything got to come through there.
They have four games on the next floor. And I think that's what they did.
They did a good job. They played well there.
And you guys know this, and you guys have been watching enough basketball. The road guys played better at home.
So now now you got those young guys, those young guys on the bench playing at home, they play a lot better. That's what an advantage is for OKC.
Yeah, because they had five guys, even though he went on the road, it was a close game. They have five guys in double figures.
Holmgren had 11. Jalen Williams had 23.
Hartenstein had 11. Shea had 38.
And Isaiah Joe had 11. And Wiggins had 9.
But you get them other numbers kind of low though, Chad. You see you need somebody else.
You see them other numbers a little low now. Somebody else you get played by the team.
You play in Memphis. Play one of them big dogs.
It's gonna be a little different. But you know I like what I like, not to cut you off on a show what I like is that Wiggins that Williams and Shea take most of the shots because you look at it, they took a combined 45 shots and you had the next most shot at 9 you had a guy took 7, one guy took 4, 1, 1, 5 7, 7 seven, eight.
So, your big dog is eating. You got, because you know, sometimes you get to the playoffs, guys try to make a name for themselves, and all of a sudden, you're supposed to be shooting seven, eight times, and all of a sudden, you shoot 14, 15 times.
No, whoa, whoa, what you doing? Coach, did you see that? Hey, Andrew Wiggins, saying that. No, no, no.
Andrew Wiggins is in Miami with you. You just said that's another Andrew Wiggins.
Yes. Oh, what? They got another Wiggins on their team.
Yeah, they got a young Wiggins on their team. Okay, okay.
Take the score. The Wiggins are back.
It's in the ball. Oh, yeah, I like Wallace.
I like Isaiah Joe, but they all can defend. Look at Caruso, can defend.
Lou Dort, can defend. Isaiah Joe, can defend.
Carson Wallace, can defend. Hey, Jed Hongren, defend.
So, even Shea was like top three in steals. So, no matter who you have on the court, you still have at least three guys that can defend on the ball at all times.
And then if Shea's in there, you got somebody that can protect the paint, protect the rim. Harden's tired of him.
He can't protect, but he's a big body. He'll block a shot here or there.
I like the way they make up. But like you said, we'll see next round.
Ja didn't want to be seen on camera on the bench. He saw the broadcast camera on him and put his hand over his face.
Juan, you good with this? Nah, man, I feel bad for my guy. Shane, I remember you had me on when you was back on with Fox and we was talking about him and we had a little discussion with him, man.
I just wish he did. I mean, he's such a terrific talent, man.
I just wish he'd lock in on playing basketball. You know what I'm saying? And take what comes with it.
That's the good coverage you want. You want your fans to see you care about your team and that you're upset that you're not playing.
That's what you want to come wrong. So I just hope he gets it together.
I got a lot of respect for him. I want him to be, you know, I think he could be one of the greatest players to play in the game at the point guard position when he's right, healthy, and he gives you that stretch of 20, 25 games where he's just playing basketball and not shooting a gun and not doing all those crazy things.
He's one of the best players in the league. But, you know, we just don't know if he ever going to figure it out.
So I get disappointed in him a little bit on that because I hope this talent doesn't go to waste. Because you know Adam Silver, after a while, it's going to be, you know, you're going to have to go see the big dog again, and he ain't going to like what he's going to do to you.
Do you think he needs to be out of Memphis in order for him to really blossom and fully develop? Yep, right on down here in Miami. Yep, most definitely.
I'll take care of him. Chad, he can't come to Miami.
Pat Riley. I got him.
I got him. I got him.
Pat Riley, Eric Sponson ain't playing that, man. That's what I mean.
Sometime that's what you need. Sometime you need to go somewhere like this where you have two old school type coaches that approach the game of basketball different.
They got structure. They got discipline.
You right here right now and you try to go all the way over here. You see all that space in between? You got to stop off in the middle, Ocho.
It's going to be tough, man. That's going to be tough.
Yeah. Do I think he needs another place? Change the scenery? I don't think he needs a change of scenery.
I think they have to really strategically make sure that they keep the right guys around him. And you know how sometimes you bring a veteran on the team that may be not going to get a lot of minutes that can help you control that locker room.
You know how it is to help control some of the out-the-court activities. I think that's what they need to do.
You know, sometimes it's good to pick up a guy like that. Maybe a guy that's not going to do much.
You know what I mean? Think about that Boston Seltzer team. They put Al Horford, a nice veteran on the team them, who's been on that team for the last three, four years.
It's been great for them. A good locker room guy.
You know what I mean? That's what you need. You need some locker room guys sometimes.
I think that I like them in Memphis because they've been successful. They've had some winners.
He's not like a bad team. They got some pieces there.
He doesn't have to be moved, but he's going to have to clean up some things. And I think he can use another superstar.
I would like to see. I don't know if they'll be able to in free agency.
Triple J was supposed to be a super superstar. I don't know.
I'm just telling you, they paid him like one. Yeah.
I don't know. He kind of took a couple steps back this year.
Especially in this series. Yeah.
They was banged up this year a lot off and on, so I'm not going to put too much on this season and the coaching change and all that stuff they went through. You know, that finding the coach was kind of weird to me.
I know y'all covered that a long time ago, but I think that played a part too. You know, a couple of years ago, Jarman Rout said, I'm fine in the West.
I might have you worried about Boston, but I'm fine in the West. Zero playoff series wins, one head coach fine, and two suspensions.
Is he fine in the West, Juan? No, he's not fine in the West. Yeah.
I mean, for us that love sports, and we love to see guys make it and do great, I would love to see him on the Miami Heat where it's structure, where it's discipline, where basketball has to come first. I would love to see him in that type of situation where they can get some of that junk out of him.
But we don't know. I mean, Memphis has to make a major decision on whether or not they want to continue to build around him and kind of go through his antics or you make a move for him while he still has a little value.
Cause I think he still has some value right now. Yeah, I do.
Yeah, for sure. So I think you can get something for him and maybe, maybe it might be a, no, telling you guys mutual agreement.
Hey, I tried it here. I need a new surrounding.
I want to try something different. Maybe you can make a move in that sense.
Because they're two totally different teams with or without. So they're going to have to figure it out.
Two totally different teams. I like it.
I like it. I like it.
Hey, Mickey Harrison, I know you're going to see this. Pat, I know you're going to see this.
Spoelstra, holler at your boy. My number is still the same.
We can go get y'all sometime. Sometime in the summer.
Listen, I put the pieces in place. I'll make sure he's good away from the court.
You know, I got the right kind of people. You know, we don't play no games.
We don't do none of that. Okay.
Ain't going to be no driving. Ain't going to be no shooting.
Ain't going to be throwing on no grenades. Uh-uh.
We don't do that. You going to get him an Uber? No, no, no.
I got a driver for him no no grenades uh-uh you gonna get him over you gonna get him over hey get him a driver no no no i i gotta i gotta driver for him i gotta drive we'll get him everywhere he needs to go we won't we'll twa i've been in miami all my life i don't even club i ain't been a club live yet i just went to booby trap for the first time two weeks ago boy i'm 57 years old so i know if i can get y'all down here to miami i can i I can keep them aligned. We got the same goal.
I want to see you succeed. Any day y'all with you, you can't hang out with me.
I thought I was Mr. South Beach, so you right.
Hang out with you. That's better.
I thought I was Mr. South Beach.
The Cavs. The Cavs beat the Heat.
Hey, we don't need to talk about this. Next segment.
Next segment. We don't need to talk about this.
No team has ever recovered from a 3-0 deficit in the NBA playoff. The Heat has shown no indication that they'll be the first.
Cavs up 3-0 points in the paint today. The Cavs had 60.
The Heat had 30. What's going on? What's going on? What's going on? What's going on, Twan? The Heat just don't have enough, unfortunately.
You know, Eric Spurs was Spurs was a great coach. He fought this hard to get into the playoff situation.
They beat the team like the Bulls, who was probably equal to them and beat them to get into this playoffs game, this playoff series. They just don't have enough.
I love Bam. I think he's a great piece of the puzzle.
I think they got him as being a major centerpiece. I don't think he's that guy.
I think he's more of a A, B, he's more of a C guy than me. Because he doesn't dominate the game enough for me.
You know, 18 and 10, that's cool. You know, a guy like Bam and the money he's getting making, he's supposed to be getting 25 and 13.
You know, he don't give that to you every night. You know, getting 16 and 10, that's not going to get it done to be an A-list or B-list player in this league.
Tyler Hero is terrific. Obviously, six-man of the year.
A great score. But he's a six-man.
He can't start for you and give you some buzzers, but he's a six-man. That's where he's been his best at in that role.
I just don't think they have enough. They're going to have to try to figure it out.
I know they traded for Andrew Wiggins. He could be a good piece of the puzzle.
They're going to have to give luck in the draft, man. Obviously, I won my championship with the Heat.
I always root for them. I love Eric Sposum and those guys down there.
They're going to have to figure it out to try to get a big superstar to put with this young core. Or they're going to always be in the mix because they're going to be a 500 team, two, three games under.
But to make some any real noise, they're going to have to add some pieces. They're kind of stuck in that spot.
And it's probably not. You know what? Sometimes you need to lose so you can get a higher pick.
They're kind of stuck. They put themselves in that 12, pick in that team.
They play just well enough to stay out of the damn lottery. They play just well enough to stay out of the lottery.
And that puts them in bad positions. We see them compete.
We see them win big games from time to time. But when you get in the playoff series and you need it, they don't have it.
That's me right now. They don't have the depth.
I don't think they have a superstar right now. Like I said, I think Bam is a good player.
I think he's a good piece of the puzzle. I think Tyler Herro is great in his role when he can be the sixth man.
I think he can always be an instant scorer in his league. I just think they don't have enough to compete at the level that they would like to, that we know how Mickey Harrison, Pat Riley, Eric Sproats, and them guys want to.
I mean, Jimmy Butler was an exception to the rule. He got this group of most of these guys played with him, got them to the finals.
But they need another piece. That's actually the evidence that I need to show you.
If you can get another piece with that type of coaching, you can make some moves. But right now, they're stuck in sand right now.
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The moment we've all waited for. Shadour Sanders is drafted.
144 in the fifth round. The Browns traded up to select him.
All these anonymous reports are coming out about Shadour having bad interviews, especially with the Giants. According to Todd McShay, Shadour completely bombed his interview with the Giants.
He didn't have a great interview with head coach Brian Dayball. The preparation wasn't there.
For an install package, Dayball called him out, and Sanders didn't like it. Dayball has gone 8-26 over the past two seasons, so he probably knows a thing or two about being unprepared, to be honest with you.
I mean, you go 826, you go 826 being unprepared.

You are no unprepared person

when you see one,

considering over the last two years,

that's kind of exactly

what you've been.

And then there's been reports

of him having a big entourage

because his brother shoots videos

of him being in family.

He's with his brother

and his family.

No drinking, no drugs,

no controversy,

just living his life.

Ochoa, I'm going to start with you first. Yeah.
Hear that he didn't do well in the interview. Yeah.
He didn't hit it off with Coach Dayball. Mm-hmm.
And seemed like he was unprepared. Didn't like the entourage.
Okay, go ahead. I don't believe it, huh? I don't believe it.

Because every single NFL player, every single, when I say every single, I mean every single, has an entourage.

Most of the entourages is family and friends.

If there's not family and friends, it's friends that you grew up with.

Right.

Everybody has that.

So I'm not sure why that even came into play.

And we talk about everybody, regardless of race, regardless of ethnicity, it doesn't matter. So that's one thing.
Interview. Interview goes bad.
I'm prepared. Now, I think I'm thinking about a son of one of the greatest players of all time who's always been prepared and coached and having tutelage from one of the best of all time.
And for some reason, all of a sudden, he wasn't prepared for interview when it comes to the game of football in which he's a quarterback. Again, that's something else that's not believable.
Now, you know, media, media, media can, can, can, can screw things and report things that obviously aren't true. Bingo.
Forget that. So he dropped to the Cleveland Browns.
Round five. What pick one 44.
What was it? 145? 144. I'm not even tripping at this point.
I'm not even tripping at this point because Prime obviously is prepared, should do it for any and everything, dealing with media, dealing with those that doubt you. So I'm just happy he has this opportunity because what's happening in this scenario, in this situation, in which I still believe is collusion.
I'm not talking about race. I'm not talking about race at all.
I'm just saying a collective collusion against Brother Sanders and all the things and then just the hype and listen, the machine. Again, I said it last night.
I said it last night. We have choices.
People choose what they want to see. I said it yesterday.
I'm not talking about race at all. One thing for sure, the machine is undefeated and will always remain undefeated.

anytime it feels not really threatened,

but there's another name or family

that thinks they can come in and do things their way,

they'll humble you.

And this was an example of it,

an example of it that we've never... name or family that think they can come in and do things their way.

They'll humble you.

And this was an example of it,

an example of it that we've never, ever,

ever seen before

to this magnitude.

We've never seen anything like this.

I'm happy for Shadour.

I'm happy for Shiloh.

And for Shadour Sanders

getting the opportunity

to play for the Cleveland Browns,

his situation is simple as put.

It's delayed, but it's

not denied. It's not about

where you go. It's what you do once you get there.

So now you know what you need to do. The Browns

haven't had a quarterback. They haven't had a quarterback,

a sufficient quarterback, a consistent

quarterback for

Bernie Cozart.

Since Bernie, for a very long time.

This might be their calling. This might

be their blessing. This might be his blessing even going there.
So I'm happy for him. He's going to do what's necessary.
I'm sure he had the chip on his shoulder. And I'm excited.
Because in that AFC North, you know, it run through Cincinnati. And the only way you're going to get it done is if you got a quarterback.
I just had to add a little piece of that. I saw that.

I saw you throw that in there.

What you think, Juana?

Honestly, man, guys, to be honest with you, I mean, I feel for him.

Obviously, you know, you work so hard,

and it's tough when you project to go first round.

I had a situation once.

It's obviously not the same because basketball is totally different

as far as the number of people that get picked.

But I was with my best friend, Nazeem Muhammad, was supposed to be picked lottery when he came out. And now I slid to 29 and just sitting there.
Obviously, it was nothing like you had to actually wait a whole nother day to get drafted. But just to see if slide.
You waited two days. He got drafted today.
They had to draft on their Friday.

It's different.

But I think like this,

to be honest with you,

I think you have to play the game, Shannon,

to be honest with you.

I think if he would have

I'm just going to play

the game until I get drafted.

Whatever that would have been.

Whatever.

And I think sometimes

that's what not

and I'm not sure of this

and you guys can correct me

if I'm wrong

because it seemed like

I've never seen an agent

and obviously I'm watching

from afar.

I'm watching on TV

or social media.

Do we have an agent?

Thank you. of this and you guys can correct me if I'm wrong because it seemed like, I've never seen an agent and obviously I'm watching from afar, I'm watching on TV, on social media.
Do we have an agent? I don't know. I mean, Shiloh made a joke talking about our dad was our agent and we might need to hire a new agent.
Okay. I don't know.
Because I think you know how this is. Sometimes you have an agent, he can tell you the truth behind closed doors of what they're actually saying and what you need to work on.
So

by Deion being a dad, he's probably not really

hearing everything. They probably

can't tell him. So he's not

hearing everything that they're saying. So I think

that was probably one mistake, and I don't know

if he had an agent or not. So if the

agent, to kind of buffer that, to talk

to him and kind of figure it out.

But you got to figure this thing

out, man. I think one thing about it, it was

about interview. I don't think it's skill set.

I'll see you next time. agent to kind of buffer that, to talk to him and kind of figure it out.
But you got to figure this thing out, man. I think one thing about it, it was about interview.
I don't think a skill set. I mean,

he put the numbers up. The numbers speak for themselves.
He had the numbers. So we got to

look at some of the other stuff. I mean, I worked out for nine teams when I came out.
I interviewed

with nine teams. So you got to go through that process.
I'm not sure how he interviewed. Maybe

that was a little sketchy. That can rub some GMs and execs the wrong way.
You know, sometimes

and then we'll see you next time. go through that process.
I'm not sure how he interviewed. Maybe that was a little sketchy.
That can rub some GMs and execs the wrong way. You know, sometimes you don't interview well.
Maybe the swagger, what he's coming with. Great family.
Family dynamics. His family's going to support him.
Obviously, he has a certain swag, a certain order he carries with him, which we all love. We just talked about that.
We like that. We all, all three of us talk trash.
We all celebrated. We all had fun.
So we know that. So that's not the problem.
We brought our own style. So that wasn't the problem with them.
I just felt like they didn't play the game that everybody else played. And they wanted to show them that, look, it's still the NFL, we still run this.
You still got to go through this proper pecking order. And I think that's what it looks like.
You can't look at his, if you look at his numbers, his skill, the guys that got picked before him, all this stuff, it doesn't make sense. So it's got to be something behind the scenes.
It can't be football ability. It has to be something behind the scenes.
That's why football ability it has to be something behind the scenes that's why I said if he had an agent maybe somebody that can hear the noise because he probably didn't hear the real noise you know what I mean we're on TV watching all the analysts and everybody but you know y'all previews so much information y'all previews so much we're not hearing that real noise you know what I mean so that's what your agent gets there for you to kind of help you out and maybe help you get your act together. That's why I really wanted to know if he had an agent.
But you know the funny thing about it, Twan? Even at that point, you are who you are. Shador is who he is.
The Sanders family, they are who they are. That's it.
And they've always been unapologetically themselves. And that rubs a lot people wrong a lot of people don't like that including some of those in the NFL some of the things that Deonna said in the past they probably didn't like they probably didn't like it you know he wanted to pull Archie Manning he wanted to pull you know with Eli they probably didn't like it they quote tweets that he said a long time ago and I know let me tell you why I know this is all coll, you know, with Eli, that probably, they probably didn't like it.
They quote tweets that he said a long time ago and I know, let me tell you why I know this is all collusion. You know, I think about some, like, like going, you know what, I'm not even gonna bring that up.
I'm not gonna bring it up. I'm happy he got where he needed to go.
This is exactly where we're supposed to land because I guarantee you, watch, it'd be a blessing in disguise and them having a quarterback. And all of a sudden, for some reason, Shadour being the answer for the next decade.
Hope you're right. I'm a basketball guy.
I'm going to ask you something, Chad. You can ask this because you're talking right now.
Can you ask this? Is the Cleveland the right fit for him? Because sometimes, let's disregard what number he went. Did he go to a good situation where he can actually be able to showcase himself and have a real opportunity to be a starting quarterback in the NFL? Do you guys like that situation? If the GM and the owners are competent when his time comes to be able to compete for a starting job um if they continue to build around him yes it's the right place if they continue to do right by the quarterback position like other teams are doing like they do for the mahomes and they do for the jaylen hurts and they do for you know the other quarterbacks the jaydens, as you continue to put the pieces to the puzzle around him, while you have a quarterback on a very, very cheap, I hate using that word cheap, but you know, a very affordable contract where you can build around him.
Yeah, I think he's in the right place. But if they do what they've always done for a very long time, where they've been through 276,000 quarterbacks, then it would be the same process repeat itself.
They had Baker Mayfield. He had the number one pick.
There was nothing wrong with Baker Mayfield because look what he's doing in Tampa Bay. So that tells you where the problem lies.
The problem lies with Cleveland internally. Now you got opportunity again.
Let's not F it up. Yeah, I do.
I love when quarterbacks, young quarterbacks come in and have an unbelievable support system. Hopefully you have somebody that's really smart schematically, knows how to diagram plays, Ochoa knows how to put quarterbacks in the right situation.
You have a decent running back. I'm not saying you need Saquon.
I mean, although that would be nice to have a Saquon Barkley and a Derrick Henry on a rookie quarterback. But you need quality receivers.
You see C.J. Stroud, where he went and had success, look at the receiving court that he had.
You look at Jayden Daniels, look at the receiving court that he had. The question is, are there enough pieces around any quarterback, regardless if it's a rookie or not, is there enough pieces around him so he can adequately do what he needs to get done.
I think Stefanowski is an unbelievable coach. He's a coach of the year.
He knows how to call plays. He knows how to scheme plays.
And so now it just comes down to, okay, when you get your opportunity, you got to shine. You got to prepare like there's no tomorrow because that's already out there.
Ocho, you see what they said? He was unprepared. You see what they did, Ocho? See, we already put that out there on you now.
Hey, that's the game, huh? They're going to play the game. They're going to play the game.
There's only one way you can beat the game, huh? That's in between the lines. No matter what they say, it blocks out all the noise.
You can only beat the game in between the lines. That's it, no matter what they say.
But I will say this, Ocho. I don't know if they're going to allow Bucky to go in and film everything that Shadour's

doing. That's over.

That's over. Now, when you're in Colorado

and your dad's the head coach,

they're going to allow that. That's

over with now. Yeah, I mean, they understand

that. But I thought he was the

video guy. I thought he's the video guy

for Colorado.

No, you can't. You ain't going to have no personal video guy.

Yeah, you can't do that. Once you enter that building, once you're on grounds in that facility, all that's done.
Yeah, so that's having an entourage. Yeah, I don't, and like I said, I don't know if he went to the building and they tried to go in the meeting rooms and Bucky was trying to capture content.
He doesn't have an agent because Time's agent was Eugene Parker. Rest his soul, Eugene passed away several years ago.
And so I'm sure Time will probably interview somebody now. And I agree with you, Twan, probably.
And that's the thing because you have an agent and they hear things and they can tell you things all the really really bad stuff they ain't going to share that with you because they don't want to mess with you mentally but they'll share enough of stuff with you so you get the picture and get a great understanding of what's actually going on if I'm not you know, obviously my agent was, obviously when I first got in the league with Jerome Stanley, phenomenal dude, did really well for me. You know, on the back end of my career, from the middle, on the back end, it was Drew Rosenhaus.
And if I'm not mistaken, I saw Drew Rosenhaus post for Shiloh Sanders once he got drafted. So I'm assuming Drew Rosenhaus must be representing Shiloh.
I'm not sure if he represents Shadour, though.

Right.

I get it.

Because, okay, the current quarterback room, Deshaun Watson, Joe Flacco,

Kenny Pickett, Dylan Gabriel, Shadour Sanders.

Deshaun Watson, starter.

Flacco is a vet if Deshaun can't go.

You got Kenny Pickett, the backup.

Dylan Gabriel, rookie.

Shadour, rookie.

Fifth.

What's going on?

I mean, damn. What's really going on? What's really going on, Ocho? Hey, I like to compete.
I ain't got no problem with it. I like to compete.
Who I need to beat out? I love Kenny Pickett. I love Dylan Gabriel.
I don't know how you beat Deshaun out when he got another $38 million this year and another $40 million next year, how you beat him out?

Deshaun not playing this year, huh?

Okay, he's not going to play this year.

He's got a slack going.

Achilles.

Achilles.

Yeah, so listen.

I'm going to tell you how it's going to play out.

I love Kenny Pickett.

I love Kenny Pickett.

I love that, you know, brother Gabriel.

But Shador, if he does what he's supposed to do, you know, we've seen Kenny Pickett already.

We haven't seen Dylan Gabriel yet.

But I'm just saying, I know probably Flacco's going to start.

He's going to start.

At some point, Shador's going to get a shot.

At some point, he's going to get that shot.

And when the door opens, you better close that. Let me ask both of you guys why would Cleveland do why would Cleveland do that why would Cleveland want a quarterback room with five guys does that mean anything they gonna keep three they gonna keep three oh okay because Deshaun is not playing this year I don't think he's not playing until like January or February something like that you're right I forgot late well yeah you might as well just go ahead and you know put him on IR and go ahead and let that go what I don't get Cleveland at some point in time y'all got to stop trading back y'all could have had Julio Jones you traded back you could back.
You could have had Travis Hunter and Shadour. And you traded

back. At some point in time, when

guys are sitting there waiting for you to take them,

take them!

Take them! It's okay.

I guess they're looking

at it like, we're more than one

player away, but

sometimes that player can help change things

around.

I don't get it. I don't get what they're doing with this situation.
Like you said, Twan, he had an unbelievable college career. He played well at Jackson State, and then they said, well, yes, Jackson State, that's why you're doing that.
He goes to Colorado. He puts up his exceptional numbers.
Great completion percentage. He throws guys open.
No, he's not the most athletic guy, but he's not a decathlete. He don't need a high jump, long jump, pole vault, shot put, hurdle, 100, 400, 15.
He don't need to do all that. All he needs to do, can he take three? Can he drop back five? Can he zone read? Can he do the stuff? Can he process information in a hurry? That's what a quarterback needs.
He needs to be confident. He needs to be able to process information in a hurry, and he needs to be able to retain information.
I mean, he's shown you he can do that ever since he's, I mean, from middle school to high school to college. So let's see if that's transferable.
I like to think that it is, but you don't know. Twyne, you know this.
Same thing with all sports. You don't know what you have in a guy until you get him in your building and put him in your uniform.
That's when you 100% know for certain what the hell I got. Because all this other stuff where he won this award and he did all this and he did all of that.
And I've seen it. Having played in the NFL, guys come in and have all these credentials and I don't know how they, hey, somebody gave you a fake passport.
Cause I don't know how you get all that. I don't know how you get all that.
Let me ask you guys in football, is it about the number or is it more about the fit? Fit. It's always going to be fit.
It's always going to be fit. Always.
Do you guys think this... So if you had the grade that's fit, what would you guys go right now? I know you got to go compete.
I like New Orleans a little better, me personally. I would have liked New Orleans a little better.
I would like New Orleans better, too. But the thing is now...
Tawanda, I was telling Ocho last night, is that I went to a team, I was a big wide receiver. I went to one of the three teams that had the H-back position.
Washington had the H-back position. The Broncos had the H-back position.
And the Chargers, San Diego, they were in San Diego then, had the H-back position. Every tight end on the roster got hurt.

I'm the biggest receiver.

Coach Reed's coming, hey, would you be willing to move the H-back?

I'm going to catch the ball?

Yeah, if you learn the plays, okay.

So now, here I am, a big wide receiver.

Imagine I don't go to a team that has the H-back position.

So I switched midway through, like a third of the way,

I have probably like week eight, week nine, week 10. They moved me to like tight end.
Ta-da. And the rest of that, they say history.
So it's absolutely where you go. I get it.
Because a lot of times, Tuan, you know this, first four or five picks, they get a boatload of money. Now you want to make a boatload of money for a short period of time or an extended period of time? Because I have a 14-year career.
There are a lot of guys that went in the first round, Ocho. They made money for a three, four-year period.
I made money for a 14-year period. It's not how much money you make is how long you make money, and then what are you going to do? It's not how much money you make is how much you keep you keep.
It's absolutely, Twan, where you go, that fit. And what they do for you while you're there.
And he's made a little money in the NIL space, too, so he's okay. He made a little money.
Had he known what he known, he'd have stayed in college and made some more NIL money. He's like, hell, if y'all going to take me to the field round, he made more NIL and what is rookie contract gonna be on show? Yeah, yeah.
Oh, wow. That is right.
Wow. But listen, I think the situation in general is good for him.
It puts a chip on his shoulder. Oh, this is how you feel about me? Okay, bet.
Hold my beer. I got this.
Watch me. Listen, I've faced adversity before.
I've had to hurdle obstacles before. This is just another one that's in the way.
I'm going to show you. I'm going to prove to you that I'm worthy of doing all the things you said I can't.
Oh, you feel I'm a fifth round pit? I mean, I'm a fifth rounder? Okay, bet. I'm not tripping.
I'm not tripping at Again, Shadouradour's, hey, chat, I know y'all can hear me. Shadour's situation, as simple as this.
It was delayed. It wasn't, he wasn't denied.
That's all. Yeah.
Delayed but not denied. Now when you get there, hey, do what you're supposed to do and everything else will take care of itself.
Well, nobody care where you got drafted at and he had to wait.

It was so disappointed and they prank calling him and doing all this other stuff.

When you go do what you need to do, everything is fine.

Everything will work itself out.

Speaking of Trav, the Jaguars are 100% committed to Travis Hunter, letting him play wide receiver and corner.

They told him, you got a bold vision and we got a bold vision for you. Yeah.
Ocho? Yeah. What you thinking? I like what you mean what I'm thinking.
I'm thinking Duvall. Man, I like it.
I like it. Listen, he said, he said not only during the interview process, allowing him to do what he has dreamed of and been working on the entirety of his career so far.
I mean, as far as collegiate-wise,

he said he has a belief and believes.

He believes.

That's the one thing that you need in anything that you do,

regardless of whether it's the corporate world or whether it's sports.

If I believe I can do it, I can achieve it.

You and I, we have different beliefs

on whether they can do it at this level,

but we're going to find out now.

We're going to find out if you can play both sides of the ball.

I like the fact that the owners, the GMs,

and everyone else inside that locker room are going to allow him to do exactly what he did in college. To what extent, I'm not sure.
To what extent, I'm not sure. I think they gave a brief press conference on ways they can figure out how to do it.
I'm just excited, man. I'm happy for Trav.
I'm happy for the Jaguars. I'm happy for the fans in that city, especially the city itself, man.
They got a good one. He's going to put some butts in the seats, and he's going to make it exciting for the next decade.
I got a question for you guys. Just, you know, as football guys, just honestly, if you guys know how talented he is and how good he is, which one he's best at? Which one do you think he can be the, which one you think he can be great at? I know you don't want, it's hard to pick one side, but I'm pretty sure he's better on one side than the other.
I like him at DB. I do too.
Yeah, I like him at DB. Because I think he has incredible instincts.
I think his instincts are crazy. The way he can see his recognition to see this and diagnose it, and that's what the really great corners can do, Twan, is that they can see a formation, they'll see a split, and they'll know automatically what's coming.
So I look at this split. I look at these two receivers over here.
I might take a glance over there. I go, okay, I got something for y'all.
Run it if you want to. Run it if you want to.
Try to run me out deep and try to run this sail around there behind it and watch what I do to it. I'll look at that.
Yeah. I think he has unbelievable instincts, unbelievable recognition, and you build a package around him.
And, Ocho, remember we talked about Brian Thomas Jr. Jr.
He's there. He's not better than Brian Thomas Jr.
No, no, no, no. He's phenomenal.
Brian Thomas Jr., he that guy. Listen, Antoine, Brian Thomas Jr.
is one of those receivers that will probably be a top five receiver. Maybe, maybe after this year, he's that good.
Yeah. Out of LSU.
And you already know what LSU produced. He wanted them once.
Well, he probably could be third down, third down packages, right? Yeah. See, people, when Ocho and I, we try to explain to people, yeah, build a package.
You know, you have a third down package or you have a specialty package, a group of plays that you feel comfortable with him.

Maybe it's in the red zone.

Maybe it's in certain areas of the field, certain situations.

But people are like, no, just let him play as much as he want to play.

No, no, no.

Okay.

You can't run him into the ground.

You want him to play and make sure he's efficient on both sides of the ball.

Yes.

You want him to be efficient on both sides of the ball.

Can he handle that physicality? Is his body makeup ready for that physicality? There's the mental approach. Yeah.
Because you got to study. I mean, like I said, okay, we're saying one thing, Ocho, about route recognition as a DB.
But you have to understand also, you have to understand coverages from a wide receiver perspective. Right.
Yeah. You have to understand.
So let's just say for the sake of argument, you play in Miami. Okay.
You guard Tyreek for, for 12, eight, 12, 10, 12 plays. And now you got to go up against Jalen Ramsey.
Okay. You know what I'm saying? You, you, you, you guard Zane Flowers and you guard Bashar Bateman.
And then you got to go up against Marlon Humphrey and Wiggins. So, you know, you got to be, because look, there are very few teams in college that had an elite corner and an elite DB.
You gonna get it every week now. You get it every week.
Every week. Even if the guys aren't sertaining.
They really good. So now, you got Nico.
And now you got Darryl Stingley and you got Stingley. Ooh, that's a nasty combo.
I understand what you're saying. Yeah, I'm saying, yeah.
Ain't no nights off. Oh, I'm sorry.
Ain't no Sundays off. I'm sorry.
Ain't no Sundays off. No Sunday at Monday.
Ocho, Lawrence Taylor has officially said no to Abdul Carter wearing 56 per New York Post. I know he would love to wear that number, but hey, I think he's retired.
Get another number. I don't care if it's double zero and make it famous.
This is what Abdul Carter wrote. The worst thing he could have said was, no, my stance

doesn't change. LT GOAT, nothing

but respect. This is just going to make

me work even harder. Love it.

Ocho, I said it. I said, look,

me personally, Ocho, I don't even know

why he would want that number.

Do you understand? That's like a

kid going to Chicago and saying, hey,

let me get 23.

Or you

going to LA and saying, okay,

can I get 8, 24? Can I get

Thank you. kid going to Chicago and say, hey, let me get 23.
Right, right. Right.
Or you going, you going to LA and saying, okay, can I get 8, 24, can I get 33, can I get 34, can I get 32? I'm trying to figure, what? Right. But, Chad, let me say this, when I got drafted by the Celtics, this is true story, like it's crazy that you brought up.
So, they call, you get drafted, you go back there, They say, hey, we got to get this jersey printed. What number do you want? I say, well,

I won 24 colors. They're like, well, that's

definitely not available. I said, why?

Because you got Kuzi.

You got Kuzi. You got Byrd.

You got McHale. You got Paris.

You got Dennis Johnson.

All the numbers was gone.

Casey Jones, Halitjek,

Bill Sharman, Tom Heisen,

Bill Russell.

You know what they told me?

I'll be right back. all the numbers was gone.
Casey Jones, Halitay, Kyle Wins, Bill Sharma,

Tom Heisen,

Bill Russell.

You know what they told me?

How about we tell you what's the numbers available?

Damn.

They said,

the Celtics told me,

we're going to tell you

what numbers are available.

That's how many numbers

were retired.

So I respect that,

that LT didn't get

this number up.

Those guys have earned

that right.

They've, you know,

blood, sweat, and tears

in them numbers.

They deserve to step

their forever.

So I respect that.

I don't understand. LT is the only player ever to be defensive rookie of the year and defensive player of the year in the same season.
He's one of two men in the 100 plus year history of the NFL to win the MVP as a defensive player. He and Alan Page.
Do you understand what that means? So that means that the guy that wins the defensive player of the year as a rookie, he's also going to be defensive player of the year of the entire league. The funny thing about it is even if I was, even if I was a player, and I respect that blue Carter for wanting to wear 56, even if I was a player, I wouldn't want to be in those shoes.
No! Not in that market. In that market, in that media market, that means not only are you a high pick, then you have to meet expectations every week.
There is no room for error.

There is no room for error wearing 56 if he did grace you

the opportunity to wear 56.

Because at every turning corner,

at every minute, they're going to have

a magnifying glass on your ass.

As great as you are coming out.

What I'd rather do, pick your own number

and make it famous.

Imagine going to San Francisco and you will receive and say,

can I get 80?

Why not?

I don't even want that pressure.

No! I don't want that

pressure.

I understand, though.

The way you guys break it down, it makes a lot of sense

why a kid would want certain people's numbers.

Yeah, you're right.

It's a handful of guys you don't want

I'm going I understand. The way you guys break it down, it makes a lot of sense why a kid would want certain people numbers.
Yeah, you right. It's just, it's a handful of guys who don't want to put that number on.
Yeah. Hey, Twine, it's certain shoes I don't want to feel, bro.
I take that. If I was a Hooper, like Unc said, if I was a Hooper and I happened to go to Chicago, just hypothetically speaking, I'm not asking to wear 23.
I don't want nothing with a two-headed. That's too close to 23.
I don't want 20, 21, 22, 24, 25, 26. I don't want nothing with a two-headed.
I ain't messing with that. Oh, yeah.
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Do you think 100 ninjas could be one gorilla? Everybody just got to be dedicated to this. No., dedicated to death.
Dedicated to death. Hold on.
Are you talking about a chimpanzee? Are they talking about a silverback? He said a gorilla. There's only one kind of gorilla.
A silverback. I want to be 100.
I want to be 100. I'm not going to be in that first 15.
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They're going to hurt you. Nah.
100? 100? It don't matter. I don't care.
Hey, you better get 1,000. And you're talking about just what they gonna do with him no no everybody everybody dying first of all here's the thing Tuan Tuan what's gonna happen the first the first the first game that that next patch they see what he do to that first team they're like I'm good.
I'm good. And so it's so funny when we look at these hypotheticals, especially when they come across Twitter and it's, and it's sometimes it's outlandish because you just view a, you view, you view a gorilla and be like, Oh, a hundred of us could actually take that.
And you really don't understand the type of power. One punch, you're going to kill a man.

Kill? Where you out of there? One punch. Hey, watch them.
Look at them when they're fighting in the wild. Yeah.
And see how they hit each other. In the wild.
Hey, Duane, you ever seen the clip of the gorillas? They going at it in the zoo and the lady screaming behind the wall. Yeah, she's like, somebody do something.
Come break it up. Listen, you can see the power in them two out there tussling.
You can feel the power and it's just a video. A human being? Man, stop playing.
I don't want no smoke. Like I said, I want to be 99 or 100 because after he went to 98, I'm gone.

He beat 100, but two of us, he ain't never touched.

Hey, somebody got to live to tell a story.

That's going to be me.

Man, hey, he was slinging them.

I was like, oh, my goodness.

He beat somebody.

Ocho, he beat somebody all about. He ripped the eye out.

I was like, oh, my goodness.

He pulled somebody

go ahead Ocho

Ocho you be boxing

go ahead Ocho

go on go on in now

uh uh

no no no

I'm gonna be

I'm gonna be

I'm gonna be the one

on the end

on the tail end

I'm gonna be the one

to tell a story

so I can tell

I can speak at everybody

funeral

yeah

tell them what happened

I don't want no part of that

absolutely not

alright

last time last segment of the night It's time for Q and A. Oh, man.
Tonight was good. I enjoyed that.
I felt like Doris Burke, boy. I'm talking basketball like I play.
Doris Burke, good, though. I.
She's good. She's good.
Gold standard. Oh, when are you going to finally admit Jordan is the goat? Never.
You don't think Jordan the goat? Goat James. Goat James.
Okay. James told me, rockets, sprockets Hot Pockets Warriors and Fire Okay Marcelle said We never talk about the fact that from an organization Point of view Kawhi did what Joel should have done for his employer.

With not going to the Olympics, Kawhi didn't start the season.

Now look at him.

And Joel was the opposite.

I agree.

Let me know what you think.

We saw Joel limp out of the season last year.

He was probably what?

What you think?

What, 50%, 60% on that leg?

Instead of taking time off, having a surgery

or just rest and recovery,

he goes to the Olympics

and he comes into the

season hobbled. Well,

if you limp into the season, you're going to limp out of it

because it's hard to get healthy when

you're playing every other night.

What do you think? How should a joy, and I understand

the Americans wanted because

you had yoke and they wanted somebody

to be able to bang with yoke, but as a

Thank you. when you're playing every other night.
What do you think, how should Joel, and I understand the Americans want it because you had Yoke, and they wanted somebody to be able to bang with Yoke, but as a player, selfishly, as an ownership, how do you think, Joel, if you're Joel, how do you handle it? Let's forget what they should have done. If you're Joel Embiid, how do you handle it? I would have probably, I would have said, listen, Grand Hill, I would have told Grant Hill, look, I would love to play, but I got to be healthy come the season.
These guys, the ones paying me, I need to be 100%. Is there any way I still could be on the team, go on the trip, participate, maybe even practice a little bit, but I got to sit out.
I'm not going to take a chance of getting hurt and furthering myself. And I don't know if they would have did that, but I would have took the recognition of making a team, but I would have not been able to play.
Kind of remember when Bird played and they just kind of just said Bird is backwards. You know what I mean? I'm on the team.
It was more ceremony. Yeah, I'm on the team.
You know what I mean? I still want to go with the guys. I want to go to Paris.
I want to go through the whole procedure. I just bring my own doctor on the road, my own workout guys.
They work with me out while we're practicing and put somebody in that spot. But at least let me still be a part of the...
I want to hang out with the guys. I want to spend the summer with the guys and still hang out with them.
But I would have said my obligation is to my team to be healthy to start the season. We got Paul George.
We're trying to do something special. We got Maxie.
We think we got a chance to compete with the Celtics in the Eastern Conference. That's what I would have did.
Because I know it's an honor to be able to play an Olympic team. I know guys want to be able to do that and put that on their resume.
I would have just tried to figure out a way I still could be a part of it, but not actually participating and playing. And I think they probably wouldn't let him do it.
I don't know for sure if they would have did it, but they probably would have let him come and still been a part of the team and still work out with the guys. But I wouldn't have put that pressure on my knee.
Truth and Antoine made me become Seas fans. He's asking, if they go back-to-back, do you think they keep the same team together and try to go for the three-peat? Depending.
They got a new ownership group. People got to understand that.
So this is new guys coming in. That's right.
I don't know what their bottom line is going to be financially. We know they're paying a pretty penny for the team.
They got two guys making $300 million, and they got another guy, got two guys making excess of $100 million, and Al Horford is making, what, $30, $40 million a season. And you got to do something with Brazingas.
And Derek White. They're paying seven guys.
To be honest, they're paying seven guys. They're paying seven guys.
They're paying seven guys, Chad, top money.

So, I mean, it's going to be tough.

I mean, we know it's hard in basketball with the salary cap and all that.

It's going to be tough.

It's up to the new owners and what they feel.

If they want to see if they can get them

a championship under their belt

and pay their luxury tax

and comfortable doing that,

starting off with a negative.

You know, if that's what they want to that, starting off in the negative. You know,

if that's what they want to do, start off in the negative.

But it all depends.

The jury's still out on ownership. There's this new ownership package group

we got. We got to see how they feel.

It's really on them.

Because you got to think, the Celtics

don't have their own arena.

That's the problem right now. The Celtics

don't have their own arena. They're sharing that.

And so, I don't know what this group's

going to do.

That's funny when you think about it.

Even though they have

a new group, even though

they're paying seven players top dollar

and top money, if the reward

of what you're paying brings you

a championship, why not keep

doing it? Why not stick with it?

Because you're losing money.

You got Jason Tatum making

I brought it back. of what you're paying brings you a championship, why not keep doing it? Why not stick with it? Because you're losing money.
You got Jason Tatum making 314. Jalen Brown making 306.
You got True Holiday making 130. Derrick White making 120.
Prazingis making probably about 35. You got Adam Horford making about 30.
Peyton Pritchard making good money. So let's just say for the sake of argument, how much money am I making by winning that championship? I thought that was the end goal.
So what is the end goal as a GM? What is the end goal as ownership? I want to make money and win a championship. I want to make, I want to win, I want to, yeah.
That ain't, that ain't how it work. This ain't 2K.
Well, if I spend $6 billion for something, I ain't trying to lose money. You want to come to the game? I think at some point, the Celtics are going to have to make a decision.
It's going to be really impossible to fulfill two, $300 million contracts for its entirety. I think eventually they're going to have to make a decision on which one they're going to keep.

They're going to have to get off one of them.

And I think they kept it to obviously to be able to win one more.

And then I think they're going to think about it.

Like I said, I think they're paying too many guys.

They're going to have to trade or bust a move or do something

and break it up just a little bit, just a little bit.

And the new ownership group is going to probably do that.

Think about this, Chad.

The Dallas Cavaliers traded Luka.

They traded Luka.

That's crazy.

Because they knew they had to pay him $350.

Luka's going to make $350 next year.

They cost Luka $116 million by trading him.

That's crazy.

More than that when you pay for California taxes.

Yeah.

That new ownership group traded him.

Yeah.

They got all that money.

Chris 2K, great, said Antoine asked great football questions.

Make him a regular.

Yeah, you can tell Twan likes the game of football.

He's done unbelievable tonight.

Appreciate that, Twan.

Jamal's a senior session.

Dua Sanders, Bernie Sanders, Colonel Sanders. Lions that, Twan.
Jamal, the singer, said Shadour Sanders, Bernie Sanders,

Colonel Sanders,

Lions for the Super Bowl.

Oh, that was a great,

yeah, I like that.

You got some great takes,

I'm gonna give you credit.

You got some great takes.

I need to make it to win tomorrow

so I can have another one.

How can people be surprised,

Shadour,

how can people be surprised

Shadour dropped so far

knowing there was

Thank you. I need Lakers to win tomorrow so I can have another one.
How can people be surprised, Shadour, how can people be surprised, Shadour dropped so far, knowing there was no team that had a great pre-draft interview with him? Man, I'm... I ain't trying to hit that.
Can you guys explain what your interview process go through? Man, that interview, man. That interview don't mean nothing, man.
If you're a quarterback, if they're a quarterback, they'll give you a play. They'll call a play.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They'll want you to repeat said play.
Yeah. Then they already told you to say, okay, this is our play right here.
It's called such a such, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right.
Okay, here it is. They let you see it on the screen.
They let you see it on the screen. Boom.
Now, they have you regurgitate what that play is and go draw it up on the blackboard. And then go through your process.
Go through your reads. If they do this defensively, where you going with the ball? But if they do this, where you going with the ball? I understand that part of the interview process, but listen,

you have people, you go in that interview process, and they

perfect.

Perfect. You get their ass on the field,

can you play worth a damn?

So that interview process

to me, man, that, you know what,

that don't mean nothing to me.

What you look like when you turn the film on?

What you look like when you play against better competition? What you look like when you play against better competition? What you look like when you play against competition that's inferior? That's what matters. I don't want to get in by going to no goddamn board or me asking you questions and how you talk back to me.
That's not winning me no fucking games. What do you do when the goddamn whistle blows at one o'clock on Sunday? I hate to hear these dumbass excuses they're giving, man.
That's another question that somebody made. But his numbers don't just, like, you know, sometimes your numbers stand out where you're like, this guy really can play.
So his numbers are irrelevant in this draft process? I guess they weren't. I mean, sometimes people take the numbers.

Sometimes people take the combine.

Sometimes people take the interview.

You'd like to have everything lines up.

Guy plays well on the field.

Guy goes to the combine, shows up.

You bring him into your building.

You're like, yep, love everything about him.

Sometimes the guy have two or three.

Sometimes the guy have one or three.

Then you have to make a decision is this the right

guy for us

OUSS 2004

honest question

why can't people

criticize Shadour

his stock plummeted

once the football

stopped

and the conversation

started

well I mean

you can criticize

everybody

ain't nothing wrong

with that no I agree that's fine everybody's worthy of criticism I think I don't mind the criticism I think I think it's about if the next guy got picked and he's better than me then I can respect that I think from my understanding and you guys can tell me if I'm wrong but I don't think the guys that got picked ahead of him, I don't think you guys have them from what I'm hearing from most people, they didn't grade out better. They didn't grade out better than him.
Yeah. But you see what he said, Ocho.
He said, what's football stop? But he's a football player. And we're supposed to be having a conversation.
We're supposed to be critiquing him on football. Football.
Not the conversation surrounding football. Okay, what about, so what, did he not play well? Did he not, I mean, and I get it.
Look, I mean, sometimes guys get nervous. Sometimes guys don't test well.
And that's okay. Look, I don't need a guy to take the SAT.
I need a guy to be able to play well on Sundays and Mondays That's all that matters Thursday night I think, Chad, we need to make this a topic These execs have to understand, too It is NIL money now It's real money guys are getting in school So, yeah, you're going to see a Maybach You're going to see a Diamond Chain You're going to see a Rolex You're going to see all these things before that big NFL paycheck because they already

got money. So you can't judge

a guy because he went out and bought himself some

nice things. He's earned that money.

I think the execs got to

understand that too. They have to

realize too, guys are going to have

already made it. They already live in a nice house.

They already have nice things. So you

can't hold that against them.

That's part of the game now. On the collegiate level, that's part of the game now.
You get NIL money. So you can't knock this guy because he's getting money and he got a nice chain.
He got a nice watch. Of course, that's the things that we want.
We're different. That's how we do it, especially in a black culture.
Y'all know, that's the first thing I want. First thing I wanted was a Rolex.
I wanted a Rolex. I got that.
I wanted me a Rolex. I wanted me a car.
I want the Benz. I want the Maybach.
That's what I want. The first thing.
Yeah. So I think they looking at that too because he has style.
He had flash already. But that's the game now.
NIL money. And his daddy

played football

for 20 years and made it tell him

money.

And he played baseball.

And what if he wanted to buy a bunch

of stuff?

I hate when they just get outside the football

ability. That's why I was so curious to hear

you guys' comment about it as far

as football because the same from what I watched this year, he was one of the top quarterbacks in football. He won 144.
He should have been picked 144. I know that.
Mark Jasmine said, my new sports center, nightcap. Serial P, please play for my daughter who's a sophomore at Michigan State and taking finals this week.
We will be at your Detroit show. Cyril, thank you very much, and we are praying for your daughter, and I know she's going to knock it out of the park taking those finals.
Cupcake Mama, good evening, guys. If life had playoffs, what moment in your life would be your championship win? What moment in life would be my championship win? Go ahead, I'm going to tell you my Super Bowl my championship win is coming up in 2026 when I walk down that aisle yeah it finally is that I finally got something in life that gives me structure you know something that gives me purpose you feel me I got I got you get.
You getting married at 26? 26? Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Congratulations, my brother. Congratulations.
Appreciate it. I'm going to have open bar so all y'all can come.
You don't drink. You don't drink, though, bro.
You don't drink. It's for the guests.
Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, it's for the guests.
Then I'm going to have Frankie Beverly and Mays. I'm going to have them come play.
You will have Mays because unfortunately Frankie Beverly is bad. I'm going to have Mays, you know? Hey, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be a good time.
Come on. He just crushed you.
He just crushed you. He crushed bad I didn't crush you bad rest in peace rest in peace Frankie rest in peace oh that's a good one oh yeah nah for me for me two kids of mine my two daughters that's that's that's it for me my two daughters That's a girl for me.

I think we know my championship moment.

TJ said, Ocho, I need that Corey Dillon jersey with your signature on it.

Oh, no, boy.

That's a classic. That's CD jersey.

I got it hanging up there for a reason.

CD, this is a land jersey

he wore when he was in Cincinnati.

He took it off and threw his

pads in the stands before he left.

That's the jersey he had on.

I ain't letting that go nowhere.

If ever.

Boy, please.

Hey, don't you tell him

I fall on hard times.

I'm going to have to

auction out.

I have to relay Sotheby's.

That's the last jersey

the Corey Dillon wore.

Hey, boy,

that ain't going nowhere, boy.

Absolutely not.

No suck.

That concludes this episode of Nightcap. Guys, thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap.
I am your host, your favorite unk, Shannon Sharp. My partner, co-host, number 85, Liberty City's own, bingo, ring of fame, artery, pro bowler, all pro, Chad Ochocinco Johnson.
And joining us tonight, man, great conversation on basketball and very, very knowledgeable about the game of football. Asked some very interesting questions of Ocho and I.
He won an NCAA championship in 96 in Kentucky. He won an NBA championship in 2006 with the Miami Heat.
He has a 17-and-a-half-point score throughout his NBA career. Have an unbelievable career.

Antoine Walker.

Antoine, thank you for joining us.

Man, come back and join us again soon.

Hey, I'm tripping.

What?

I'm tripping.

I did this with everybody that came on here.

Antoine, we would have played one-on-one right now until 11.

You think he'll beat me?

No, he work out too much for me.

I play golf, Chad.

I play golf too much.

But you know what, Chad? I ain't never seen you shoot or nothing like that. So I don't know if you skilled enough.
I just know you work out a lot. I know you boxing work out a lot.
I'm going to that golf course, man. I'm drinking a little.
Okay, okay, okay. Ain't off.
Ain't off. Matter of fact, I need a couple bottles.
Now, I do a little sipping myself. I do a little sipping now.
I need a couple bars. I need a couple.
All right.

I'll send it down there to you.

Give your address to Ash, and we'll get that to you.

Okay.

I need a couple of them.

Yes, sir.

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thank you Twan for joining us

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tie this thing up

alright Twan

alright baby after the Lakers tied this thing up. All right, Twan.
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