Nightcap - Hour 1: Timberwolves beat Lakers, & Shedeur has fallen to Day 3 of the NFL draft!

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The Timberwolves defeat the Lakers to take a 2-1 lead, 116 to 104.

Speaker 2 The Lakers wasted a master performance by LeBron, 38 points, 10 rebounds, four assists, two blocks, two steals, five or nine from the three-point line.

Speaker 2 But it was not enough because three of the uh three of the uh timberwolves ant-man finished like ant-man supposed to do that's what your best player is supposed to do he's supposed to finish but jaden mcdaniels julius randall was sensational naz reed chipped in so did mike conley and they come away get a gain a 2-1 lead 116 to 104.

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 2 joe let me go to you first The Timberwolves, I thought LeBron and that fourth quarter, he comes down hit back-to-back threes. And then

Speaker 2 the game undone turnovers and missed free throws Joe watching this game tell me how it played out in your eyes uh just seemed like it's two heavyweight fighters man just really going at it's like backyard basketball unc and ocho like they really kind of take the centers out the game braun playing the five they spread the floor and it's just penetrating kick basketball things that you learn in grade school you know what i mean and it's just read and react and that's pretty much how they've been competing this you know pretty much this whole series but like you say, Jay McDaniels, baby, he's going to come out.

Speaker 2 He's ultra-aggressive.

Speaker 2 What is shot? What is, I mean, how many field goal attempts he had? 22, even 13 for 22 tonight. Like, I like to see that.

Speaker 2 I like to see this young talent come out, initiate, you know, be that aggressor, and put the onus on the Lakers, man.

Speaker 2 When him and At-Man attacking like that and applying pressure, you know, in that paint on that rim, you know, they're able to get easy dump downs to Rudy, spray out threes to these guards, Devin Chinjo's, you know, coming off the the bench, playing great.

Speaker 2 Hey, it's a problem.

Speaker 2 Minnesota bringing it. They bring it, O Joe.
Them boys ain't playing, man. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Hey,

Speaker 2 they came to play tonight. Obviously, I thought, I think something was wrong with Luca.
I'm not sure what was wrong with Luca. He wasn't on.

Speaker 2 He wasn't efficient that he normally is, but LeBron was vincent tonight, huh? LeBron was ventured, 13 for 21. He had 38, 10 rebounds, four assists.
He didn't have much help. He didn't have much help.

Speaker 2 He was playing on both ends of the court, too. Now, playing defense, playing offense.

Speaker 2 Outside of that, man,

Speaker 2 listen,

Speaker 2 I'm changing his name. Anthony Amazon Edwards because he's delivering every time.
He's coming to the party. And he on time every time, Uncle and obviously, Jaden Daniels was excellent tonight.

Speaker 2 Will he be able to keep up that consistency night in and night out?

Speaker 2 It is doubtful.

Speaker 2 DeVicenzo

Speaker 2 coming off the bench and contributing. Naj Reed hitting some key threes, obviously, in the game as well.

Speaker 2 It was a good game. Like Joe says,

Speaker 2 it looked like a heavyweight fight. Both of them going back to back, but when it came down to the end of it, the Timberwolves got Timberwolves pulled it off.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think the thing is, McDaniel has been the key. If you look at the first game they won, look at how well he shot.
He didn't play particularly well in the second game.

Speaker 2 Naj Reed didn't play well

Speaker 2 in the second game.

Speaker 2 And so

Speaker 2 he's the X factor.

Speaker 2 Now, if you're going to get your third option and he's going to give you 30 points, it's going to be, especially, especially if your first two options are doing what they're supposed to do.

Speaker 2 Ant-Man gave you 29. Julius Randle gave you 22.
Now, your third option, which is Jaden McDaniels, he's going to give you 30.

Speaker 2 It's going to be hard to overcome that unless LeBron, unless Luke, unless AR can match that. So let's just say, for the sake of argument, they kind of matched that tonight.

Speaker 2 But the difference was DiVincenzo and Nasri.

Speaker 2 So they gave you 21. So So I'm looking at it right here.
You got 25 off the bench

Speaker 2 from the Timberwolves, and you got 8, 11, 16,

Speaker 2 19

Speaker 2 from them. But it was a timely shots.
It's too many turns. Joe, it's too many turnovers.
The Lakers, I think, had five or six missed free throws in the first half.

Speaker 2 A game you know that's going to be tight. Every possession matters.
Every point matters.

Speaker 2 When you go to the line and the clock is stopped, you've got to capitalize if you have an opportunity to make free throws and just too many turnovers.

Speaker 2 Because when they turn the ball over, Minnesota is making them pay the ultimate price on the other end. Go look at points off turnovers and look how many Minnesota had and look how few the Lakers had.

Speaker 2 When you turn the ball over like the Lakers are, and this is a young team, they can get out and run. Lakers don't have the legs that the Minnesota Timberwolves have.
You're asking for trouble.

Speaker 2 You're really asking for trouble. I thought the Lakers played really well the third quarter again.

Speaker 2 Kind kind of got away from them uh you know they had a lead but look you know everybody's going to make a run i mean you look it's a game of runs that's what basketball is you make your run we make ours okay we go back and forth back and forth back and forth and then you we go on another run you go on another run but i thought the lakers just turned the ball over too much jay uh uh for joe i thought they turned it over too much i thought they missed too many free throws and they let they let The Timberwolves get into a rhythm, especially like the last four minutes of the game.

Speaker 2 When you had an opportunity, LeBron had an opportunity. It seemed like he was going to take a three.
He took his eye off the ball. He smoked the layup.

Speaker 2 I mean, he smoked it.

Speaker 2 Good, good

Speaker 2 in the first half.

Speaker 2 When you're on the road and you're playing a team like this, and you know it's going to be nip and tuck, every possession matters.

Speaker 2 Every point matters, and you can't give away, you can't come away with empty possession. You can't.
The one thing I really do like is,

Speaker 2 man, when we watch sports and oh cho we watch for what we watch for guys to come out there not only display their talents but as long as they competing at a high level right yep yes sir these dudes out here competing you hear me yeah they compete and they're taking on the challenge and the only thing that that concerns me about the lakers is down the stretch when they go with braun at the five they have no rim protection so and man when he get when he gets to the cup because he gonna get to the cup it's either yes bucket foul or spray out for three

Speaker 2 yeah you know because here's here's the thing, because they put what they're doing is they put Luca in the pick and roll. Yeah, they seeking.

Speaker 2 They're picking on Luca. So now Luca can't stop him on the initial move.
So now, if you, so if somebody slides to help, it's an easy kick. But a lot of times he's like, bro.

Speaker 2 That's a gay vincent. That's a Dorian Phoenix Smith.
I'm going on the top of y'all. Hey, hey, hey, the one time he got that steal, hold on, when he got that steal and

Speaker 2 he drove it, he dribbled out to the three-point.

Speaker 2 I don't don't know what luca was thinking i'm like luca should have been on the block so when he looked to come baseline he should already have been that big like nah don't come this way

Speaker 2 went baseline and snatched the screws out that thing

Speaker 2 hey hey joe y'all y'all think y'all think luca hurt or was he just tired tonight he said fool something something something he wasn't feeling right he wasn't feeling well that's what they said yeah he kept he kept cut holding his stomach or something like that it's hard to tell and i don't know if he initially came out there with that uh the undershirt on that he had.

Speaker 2 It seemed like he, I don't know, like I said, I wouldn't really pay him attention. And then I don't think he started the second half, right?

Speaker 2 Because Gabe Business started the second half, and then at the time out, he ended up coming into the ball game.

Speaker 2 So he might be a little under the weather, but at this juncture of the year, oh Joe, don't nobody care.

Speaker 2 I'm just going to be 1,000 with you, Ocho. Joe, you played at a high level in the NBA, Ocho, and you and I, we played football.

Speaker 2 When you're in the playoffs, nobody gives a damn whether you got an injury, whether you got a sick, you got the flu, food poisoning, whatever the case may be.

Speaker 2 Get your butt out there on the field or the court and deliver. That's what you make the big bucks for.
That's how you got that name. That's who you are.
And that's the expectation that people have.

Speaker 2 And I believe that's the expectation. And Luca's not going to make excuses.
He knows he's going to have to play better. Yeah.
If they're going to have a chance to win this series, absolutely.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So, I mean, listen, how you feeling now?

Speaker 2 I feel good. Y'all down there.
No, no, no, no. Y'all down to it.

Speaker 2 obviously it's not happening in five i feel good i feel good with the leg it can still happen in five it may look

Speaker 2 it may not be yo

Speaker 2 don't do that joke don't do that

Speaker 2 it's a little wild for it to register

Speaker 2 the one thing that concerns me you know this young wolves team uh they won in la they did what they want to do they got to win so they got home court advantage now as long as they can take care of home court

Speaker 2 man, they're going to be tough to beat, bro. Like, we need Braun needed 50 tonight to win.
He needed 50. I'm sorry.
He the only one rhythm had only one seem to really have a rhythm.

Speaker 2 I thought Austin Rees had a pretty good rhythm there for a second, but man, you need people to put pressure on the rim, man. Get in that paint to be able to spray out for threes.

Speaker 2 We needed Rui.

Speaker 2 I mean, I mean, something, you never know. I can never tell what I'm going to get from Rui.

Speaker 2 Eight points is not nearly enough.

Speaker 2 four rebounds bro i need more than that i mean bro you got 38 points and you got i mean you got 38 minutes and you got yeah eight points lebron you got a guy on 48 on 40 year old legs giving you 40 minutes and he was a minus 19 he was the highest plus minus he was the highest minus on the other night yeah it's it's it's just tough to overcome um when you Look, Jackson Hayes, he can't play.

Speaker 2 The problem is, is that you don't have no protection from the rim because Jackson Hayes can't play long enough.

Speaker 2 And the thing is, is that they're allowing Gobert to play 24, 25 minutes, and they got real protection. So if somebody beats somebody up there at the dribble, you saw, who is that?

Speaker 2 Dorian Finney Smith and Rudy Golbert said, let me get that. Let me hold that right quick.
I don't know what you thought. I don't know what you thought.

Speaker 2 But somebody told you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And everybody, like if Randall, if Randall Grinners, like he's being a bull in a china shop, like he really caused a havoc down there because they too small to deal with him and Rudy.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 And when he played Randall at the five, like he deadly at that position, you know, going out right bounce, creating, getting to the cup, getting fouls, going to the free throw line, kind of get himself going.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Yeah. But what I don't understand, Joe,

Speaker 2 I've never seen a left-handed, most lefties going to go to that dominant hand. If you think about all the lefties, you think about Julius Randall.
Yeah. Think about James Harden.

Speaker 2 Think about Marcelonas. Think about any left, Manu Gianobli.
Bro, you know they want to go to that dominant hand and they let Randall spend every time to the left.

Speaker 2 Make him go right.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I get it, Joe. It's a lot easier said than done, but you're not going to be, I'm not going to allow you to beat me.

Speaker 2 If I'm a boxer, you might knock me out, but you ain't going to knock me out with your dominant hand. Now, you might catch me with something I don't see, but it ain't going to be your dominant one.

Speaker 2 So you might slip that uppercut on me or or Joe, or you might, hey, you might hit me with the left hook, but if I know you got a right,

Speaker 2 I ain't going to get you.

Speaker 2 You ain't going to get me. So you know you want to get to that left hand.
He wants to get there. I'm not letting him go.

Speaker 2 And then once he picks up his dribble and he fakes right, okay, go ahead and go that way.

Speaker 2 But I'm not going to let you fake me right and I go flying out the sky like I'm, like I'm David Thompson and come back limp and lay it up. I'm not going to do that.
I'm not going to do that, Joe.

Speaker 2 Am I wrong in that assessment, Joe? No, you're not wrong, but like you say, it is a little harder than what you say. I mean, he's being ultra-aggressive.

Speaker 2 He was nine for ten from the free throw line, he got to the free throw line 10 times. So, yes, which lets me know, you know, when he caught it, he took he took advantage of the mismatches.

Speaker 2 You know, he took advantage of being one of the bigger guys in the game at the time, and uh, you know, he's helping them, man.

Speaker 2 He's giving these guys wide open shots just by him being ultra-aggressive like they're on offense.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 go ahead, Ocho. Go ahead.
I'm just trying to look at look at some stats because I don't really have it on my computer like I would at home. Yeah.

Speaker 2 The Lakers in trouble. Hey, Joe, Joe, the next game, the next game in Minnesota.

Speaker 2 Hey, Uncle.

Speaker 2 It looks good. We got this one.

Speaker 2 Listen, LeBron, like Joe say, LeBron going to have to score 50. Luca has to, I'm not sure if he got a stomach, a tummy ache.
I'm not sure what it is.

Speaker 2 Hopefully he's able to recover and come back to playing

Speaker 2 how we know he can play. Awesome Reeves, give us something like we did tonight, but Rui got to show up.
Rui got to show up or Unc is not looking good.

Speaker 2 Look, I think for me, when I look, I'm looking at this, do I expect LeBron, can LeBron do it? Yes, I've seen him go 30 and 40 in back-to-back games.

Speaker 2 You're asking an awful lot because the next game is probably going to be Sunday.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 if you think about it, think about the layoff that they had. They played.

Speaker 2 And then now all of a sudden they get, so he got two days off.

Speaker 2 So when you're older, you need more time to recover, Joe. You need more time to sit in those thermal tech boots.
You need more time to sit in that cold tub and that Honda and that red table.

Speaker 2 You need more of recovery. So I don't know how quick.

Speaker 2 Now, look, I know immediately after this game, he went straight to the locker room, putting them feet, putting them on puppies in the car and bucketing them ice. He got ice bags on his knees.

Speaker 2 He got it on his back. So he's doing everything he possibly can to start the recovery process as soon as possible.
But he is 40.

Speaker 2 He is.

Speaker 2 There's no way around. There's no way to escape that.

Speaker 2 So I don't know if he's going to be able to give you another virtuoso like he gave you tonight. They really need Luca to play better than what he played.

Speaker 2 Hopefully, that bug will be a 24-hour bug and it'll be subsided. It'll be gone.
But

Speaker 2 I don't think if you think about it,

Speaker 2 they didn't play bad. I mean, if you look at the total, because I mean, I'm looking at LeBron.
LeBron had what LeBron had 38. Luca had 17.
That's 55. And Austin Reeves had 20.
That's 77 points.

Speaker 2 They ain't like that.

Speaker 2 No. But the problem is that you ran into Julius Randall had 22.
McDaniels had 30.

Speaker 2 That's 52. And then you compare that with the 29 that Ant-Man had.
So now you're at 81.

Speaker 2 And the auxiliary. You got nine from Mike Conley.
You got 11. You got 10.
So we're going to need, we're going to need, okay, three, they sup, they cancel each other out.

Speaker 2 Well, they got to have two other guys that go double figures. That means the Lakers are going to have to have somebody that go double figures, 15, 16, to offset what Nas Reed and what,

Speaker 2 who's that? Devin Chimso, what they gave you. I mean, look, they hit some shots.

Speaker 2 I mean, DiVincenzo hit a crossover, crossed Fanny Smith up, made him touch earth, and then stepped back and held his leg up. Mike Connolly got a rebound, ran out, and banked it.

Speaker 2 I don't know how he made it from how he banked that from that angle, Joe. I still don't know how he did it.
Yeah, that's what the basketball guys, baby, he's living right.

Speaker 2 He's living right. Hey, you're living right.
Yeah, basketball guys give you some grace.

Speaker 2 That's what, that's why I say, if you remember, and when they had COVID, he ended up winning the horse competition because he's appidextrous. He can shoot either hand.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So if they were to have a horse competition, I would probably pick my, I would probably, it'd be very interesting if Luca,

Speaker 2 Mike Conley, and Steph Curry were to enter it. It'd be very interesting because all three of them can make some crazy, ridiculous ass shots.
Yeah, they do, man. They do.

Speaker 2 I'm going to tell you something.

Speaker 2 Luca AR, they're going to have to get on the bandwagon with

Speaker 2 Braun Ocho.

Speaker 2 It's going to take at least two of them to probably explode

Speaker 2 to get a game in Minnesota because they seeking Luca every trip, bro. So you got to imagine he got the ball in his hand on offense almost every play if Braun ain't got it.
And then defensively,

Speaker 2 it's like

Speaker 2 we're seeking for you every play. So he's having to exert a lot of energy to, you know, to be able to, you know, put his stamp on the game, man.
But yeah, he's going to have to step up for him.

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Speaker 2 Yeah, well, I think, look,

Speaker 2 you got to make him work because

Speaker 2 I'm not going to let you rest on the defensive end so you can punish me and

Speaker 2 use

Speaker 2 all of your energy for offense.

Speaker 2 That's how you make an offensive player exert energy. You make him work on the defensive end.
So, hey,

Speaker 2 oh, oh, you think you're going to drop 40 on me and coast on that end? No, you're not. Right.
Because I'm going to try to give you 30. Right.
I'm going to try to make you exert energy.

Speaker 2 And now I will put your ass in the pick and roll. I'm going to make you fight over picks.

Speaker 2 I'm going to attack you because I'm going to make you exert, burn some of that energy so you don't have as much on the other end. I agree with you, Joe.

Speaker 2 I think, and the thing is, is that when you say go off.

Speaker 2 they need to go off in an efficient manner. You can't take 20 shots and make four and say, well, I had 25 points.
That's not good.

Speaker 2 You need to go off like LeBron. You need to go off in an efficient manner for it to mean something.
And so I agree with you. I think those two guys,

Speaker 2 Luke and LeBron, probably need to team up for about

Speaker 2 in order for them to win this series.

Speaker 2 That 77 was good, but they might need to be around the 85, 90

Speaker 2 between the three of them, Joe. Somebody going to need to have a 40 point.
Somebody going to have to have a high 20 or a low 30. And the other guy is going to have to be in the mid-20s.

Speaker 2 In order for them to come, I can't count on the other guys that's going to, I can't go in and say, well, I know Finnish Smith going to give me 12 tonight. Well, Rui going to probably give me 16.

Speaker 2 I can't go in thinking that. Right.
Right. Right.
You know, we put a game plan together, OJo. I like, okay, Ocho going to give me his eight.
Who's going to give me probably five to six?

Speaker 2 Okay, I can rest this soul, Chris Harry. He probably going to give me four.
One's going to probably be about 30, 40.

Speaker 2 So I can pencil that in. I kind of know what I'm going to get.
Right.

Speaker 2 Outside of the, outside of your top three, I'm not sure what I'm going to get from Rui. I'm not sure.
I'm not really counting on a whole lot of points from Van Doe.

Speaker 2 I'm counting maybe one, three from Gabe Vinson. I don't know what I'm going to get from anybody else.
And so it's hard because those guys go off and they can still possibly lose.

Speaker 2 But I know if those guys don't go off, they don't have a chance.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And listen, it's damn near just a three.
I want to say two, man, because sometimes, you know,

Speaker 2 Reeves can get hot. And when Reeves was on, he's on.
But I like LeBron's approach to the game tonight.

Speaker 2 He didn't come out trying to facilitate. He came out and established dominance early, which he didn't do in game two.
Luca was on fire. He allowed Luca to stay in rhythm.

Speaker 2 But LeBron approached the game differently tonight. You know what? I'm going to get myself a rhythm and

Speaker 2 let the game come to everybody else as it will, as it may. Luca wasn't feeling well tonight.
Something had to be wrong. Whatever it is, they got to fix it for the next game, which is Sunday, right?

Speaker 2 I think so. I think the next game is going to be Sunday, Ocho.

Speaker 2 Yeah, if the next game is Sunday,

Speaker 2 I think it would be who LeBron

Speaker 2 to approach the game this same manner and being very aggressive early in the game. I think he had 16, but in the second quarter, something like that.
Yeah, he had 20.

Speaker 2 LeBron had 14.

Speaker 2 He had 14 in the second. He had six in the first, 14 in the second.
He didn't.

Speaker 2 He was like, okay,

Speaker 2 I think Ocho, he might have had five, seven, might have had like seven in the second and the third quarter.

Speaker 2 And then he caught, had a back-to-back three that it looked like he was about to let another one because Luca got a pass up to him in a hurry. And he just fumbled fumbled it.

Speaker 2 And then the next thing, you know, they come back down. Cause when he smoked that layup, they hit a three.
Then he fumbled the ball and then they come back and they get enough.

Speaker 2 They get so that those are swings and points and momentum when you do things like that. And you know what normally happens like that, Joe.

Speaker 2 You smoke one on one end, they come back and get points on the other end. You turn the ball over and now they right back at you in your kitchen.
Yep.

Speaker 2 You got to take care of that rock, man, especially in the playoffs. You know, every possession, you know, is

Speaker 2 valuable. But here's my thing.
You got, and man ain't even shooting no free throws tonight, man.

Speaker 2 Oh, he still ain't to me, he had 29 tonight, but he still ain't had one of them games, one of them signature games. You know, I'm looking for him to go off by 40, 45, Ocho.
You hear me?

Speaker 2 I'm hoping so. Yeah.
Because if he go for 45, Jaden Daniels is not going to get 22 shots. So I hope you're right.
I hope you're right.

Speaker 2 It might be okay. It might be one of them efficient ones.
You know, he was the best three-point shooter in the NBA this year. He was five.
No, he had the most. Yeah, he had the most threes.

Speaker 2 He wasn't the best. best he had the most threes listen he was five for ten from the three to ninth he's shooting that three ball now

Speaker 2 yeah

Speaker 2 uh but if you think about it uh uh uh mcdaniels was 13 or 22

Speaker 2 uh 12 or 26 i can live with that but he got him he he made about three in that fourth quarter he made some threes in the fourth that kind of that basically just okay the game's over yeah and that's what you do you want the closer you want your closer when he come in

Speaker 2 more mo rivera When the Yankees got to the ninth, sometimes he got a four-hour save, but most of the time, Ocho, when they open that bullpen in the ninth inning and they say, Enter the sandman, and he come out of that thing, and he,

Speaker 2 you know, he got one pitch, and the only thorn is that cut fastball. The cutter.
Yeah, he go, that's my closer.

Speaker 2 And that's what you want. You want your closer.
I will put the ball in your hands, deliver us, get us this win. He put the ball in that man's hand, and he made every right play.

Speaker 2 He hit the open guy, or he finished at the rim. So I cannot complain about, you know, they had a lead because look, the Lakers are like, okay, we're going to make y'all going to earn this one.

Speaker 2 Close ball game. What did they do?

Speaker 2 Three. Instead of being, now you're up five.
What did he do again? He come back, two point, another three.

Speaker 2 Give it to me. Give it to me.
Now, come on now. Come on, I've been waiting for this.
I've been waiting for it. Yeah.
So I cannot complain because Ant-Man did what he was supposed to do.

Speaker 2 And I'm thinking, if you're a coach, you are JJ Reddick, Joe. You ain't thinking Jay McDaniels about to give you a 30 bomb? No, Joe, you ain't thinking.

Speaker 2 No, no.

Speaker 2 Give me the stats. How many times did Jay McDaniels have 30 in the season? This is a career high for him.
It was a career high for him. Okay,

Speaker 2 it was a career. But listen,

Speaker 2 when you got your main guy, Ant-Man, pushing for him, pushing for his co-star, you know, feeding that confidence into him like that, like he gonna perform like this at home.

Speaker 2 You know, he gonna have some

Speaker 2 career high games i'm looking for him to have another one i'm not

Speaker 2 gonna be i'm gonna be honest i'm gonna be honest with you because

Speaker 2 he's a starter but he's a role player because and role players that i i will say i concede this they normally play better at home yeah yo yo you know your third fourth receivers they normally play better at home Crowd backing them as opposed on the road.

Speaker 2 And so we understand guys are very familiar in their environment. Got no no problem with that but i i'm not counting on him to give me another 30 piece uh

Speaker 2 julius random look like you said he's a bulldog it's uh you're asking an awful lot because you don't really because if you ask lebron to bang with you basically the whole night he ain't gonna be getting nothing on offense not at point not the bang not the bang the bang because julius trying to bang and listen this

Speaker 2 is why you had them little mishaps at the end of the game mislayup just a fumble of the ball because i knew when he if he didn't caught that ball clean he probably gonna let it ride for three.

Speaker 2 Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 He smoked dunk that one. He like, man, I ain't even got it.
I ain't got it in me.

Speaker 2 I ain't got it in me. I ain't got it in me tonight.
But

Speaker 2 I thought, look,

Speaker 2 we can sit here and say, yeah, they missed too many free throws. Yes, they turned the ball over, but somebody forced those turnovers.
Now, to miss free throws,

Speaker 2 you just missed. That's a lack of concentration.
And you can't miss six free throws in the first half. You can't.

Speaker 2 Because now you're trying to stretch the lead. But those turnovers,

Speaker 2 some of them, I mean, Luca dribbed the ball off the back of

Speaker 2 the back of his foot. Rudy Gobert snatched it.
Rudy Gobert took the ball out your hand, Luca. Really?

Speaker 2 And he wearing him down. He half weighed him down, huh? He wearing him down in three, you know, from you picking up.

Speaker 2 from game one picking up that energy and effort making it work on both ends of the floor at some point this is the plan is to wear him down to where he make those mental type of mistakes.

Speaker 2 And, you know, it helps the timber wolves. And that's kind of what's been happening.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 that's how you have to do it. I mean, you got a guy like Luca.
He's immensely confident. He sees a couple go in.
Now he's going to start. He's going to like, okay, okay, okay, I got it.
But,

Speaker 2 and, and the thing is with him, if you watch him,

Speaker 2 he can miss three or four or threes, and then he'll go on the hot stretch and he'll make four or four. The shot that he had on Julius Randle, he had no shot.
He had no business making that.

Speaker 2 Man, I don't know, I don't even know why. First of all, I don't even know why he took it.
Listen, it was a long making, it was some elite shot making. I'm talking about tonight.

Speaker 2 I'm talking about them dudes were making some tough shots, bro. And uh, this is why we watched, man.
The

Speaker 2 game was definitely fun to watch tonight. Them dudes competing at a super high level, which is why we're starting to deal with a lot of these injuries in this postseason, too, by the way.

Speaker 2 Yeah, guys are playing hard, man, and you having these freak, freak accidents. Man, you know, one little, one little injury could, you know, derail some teams' playoff hopes.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 You're right. And I think the thing is, is that got,

Speaker 2 first of all, the Lakers are really challenged defensively because you got a 41-year-old guy that was an all-NBA player, but he can't move like he once could. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Luca and A.R., they're not good defensive players. So you got three guys really that are not defending.
First of all, when you put those guys out, DeRui is not known as a defender.

Speaker 2 That's not what he's good at.

Speaker 2 Dorian fenney smith is okay i wouldn't say he's an elite defender but i think he's okay he's adequate so you got a bunch of guys you got a bunch of guys that don't defend at a high level and they can't protect one another right so now i don't got no

Speaker 2 when i put lebron at the five yeah he your backline defense what he or ruin or ruy playing to five whomever four or five doesn't matter yeah because when hey because when any man come through there it's old lady old lady he come to do that

Speaker 2 I ain't put to be on your card. Damn, your poster.
Because don't nobody buy posters no more. They got cars, they got.
And so, you're not gonna have Ant-Man signing signed over the top of my

Speaker 2 listening. I can't believe Luca jumped with that man all the way thinking about

Speaker 2 Luca out here tripping.

Speaker 2 Hey, I tried, you know, in the playoffs, you do things you don't normally do, right?

Speaker 2 Oh, Joe, you know what I'm saying? You go over the building, like, damn, that's really high, but I got to give it an effort. No,

Speaker 2 hey, oh, Joe, you know, you know, you're gonna get blown up, like, damn.

Speaker 2 Hey, how far you back? How far you back now? I can't.

Speaker 2 Joe, I'm looking like, dang, oh. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Oh, look, got me. Hey, look, I would have been already on that block over there before he even went baseline just to let him know.
Don't even come this way. I'm cutting you out.

Speaker 2 See, like that man come baseline before I knew, I knew it was over with.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Hey,

Speaker 2 I got to catch you, Ojo. Hey, you jump.
I'm going to catch you, run the the other way with you. You ain't gonna jump.
You ain't dunking on me. I'm gonna run the other way with you.

Speaker 2 Hey, what you doing? Hey,

Speaker 2 you're not finna put me on. You're not finna put me on no poster.
Nobody wants that smoke when that young boy comes. Nah, hell, nah, I ain't finna get no.

Speaker 2 I'm not finna be on your highlight. I'm not gonna do it.
I'm not, I'm not.

Speaker 2 Yeah, game four is Sunday.

Speaker 2 Probably.

Speaker 2 Nah,

Speaker 2 it's probably gonna be the late game.

Speaker 2 Probably gonna be the late game.

Speaker 2 What time do they play, Ash? Ash, go look up the time.

Speaker 2 What you thinking, Joe? You think they're going to be what? The third game? It's going to be prime time. They playing in middle.

Speaker 2 I don't think they're going to be prime time because

Speaker 2 who

Speaker 2 is going to be the second game?

Speaker 2 Oh, it's a three-game. Oh, it's a 3.30 game.
It is.

Speaker 2 Well, I guess 5.30 would be considered prime, but

Speaker 2 it's going to be

Speaker 2 an ABC game. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because you got Ant-Man and Luca. Yeah.
Because ain't nobody else got stars like that. You got Ant-Man, you got Luca, you got Braun.
Yeah. Ain't nobody else got three superstars playing like that.

Speaker 2 Not Boston.

Speaker 2 Not

Speaker 2 Indy, Milwaukee, not the Knicks

Speaker 2 and Detroit.

Speaker 2 So nobody has what they have. Okay, so New York, Detroit is the 10 a.m.
game.

Speaker 2 Lakers, Minnesota is 12:30. And then you got Boston, Orlando.
Huh?

Speaker 2 10 a.m. No, 10 a.m., which means it's one, one, one, it's one East Coast.

Speaker 2 As you're looking at it at specific time, but no, it's one o'clock, and it's the 3:30 game, and then you got the

Speaker 2 7, and then you got the 6:30 game. So

Speaker 2 it's going to be,

Speaker 2 they're going to bounce back.

Speaker 2 I'm not over the concern. I'm not over the concern.

Speaker 2 I love the confidence. I love the confidence.

Speaker 2 I love the confidence that you have in your Lakers. I like it.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 We're going to have a very interesting, very different conversation on Sunday night, Joe. Mark my word.

Speaker 2 They need to win game four.

Speaker 2 We're going to win. They don't need you.
We done won.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay. Okay.

Speaker 2 Hey, go, hey,

Speaker 2 you saw just a sample of what Gold James is capable of. You just saw a sample.
Yeah, I know what he could do. Okay.
Hold on, hold on, hold on. Matter of fact, matter of fact, how confident are you?

Speaker 2 Well, yes, matter of fact, we're gonna get to my money because you tell you're gonna have my money in Green Bay. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Scale of one to ten.

Speaker 2 Scale of one to ten, how confident are you in the Lakers? Winning game, winning, winning game four seconds, eight point five

Speaker 2 eight point on the scale of one to ten, eight point five.

Speaker 2 Don't because it's that cool. Hey, you better look at some of them uh profile that you was talking about.
You better send him some of them to get him right.

Speaker 2 You're gonna be

Speaker 2 yeah, Luke. You're gonna tell you, you better say that Luke and Professor.

Speaker 2 Before we get to the rest of these NBA games, we got to start to talk about what happened.

Speaker 2 Not only yesterday, last night, Ocho, you and I were at Lambeau Field for the first round of the round, but today, rounds two and three has passed, and Shadur Sanders hasn't been selected.

Speaker 2 102 picks, five quarterbacks selected.

Speaker 2 Cam Ward went number one overall. No surprise there.
We knew that once he had his workout,

Speaker 2 they canceled all other official visits. That told me everything I needed to know.
Boom. Now, Jackson Dart, Tyler Shuck, Jalen Milro, Dylan Gabriel.
Now,

Speaker 2 for context, I want to provide context to the whole joke because that's what we like to do here. Daniel Jeremiah has Shadur, the second-ranked quarterback, four days ago.

Speaker 2 Cam Ward was the eighth overall best player. Shadur was the 20th best overall player.
Jackson Dart, the 36th overall best player. Tyler Shook, 75th overall best player.
Jalen Mirro, 86th.

Speaker 2 Dylan Gabriel 148.

Speaker 2 Mel Kuyper Jr.,

Speaker 2 the guru, just four days ago, had Shadur ranked over Cam Ward. He had Shadur as the fifth best player.
Cam Ward is the sixth best player. Jackson Dart as the 28th best player.
Tyler Shook, 46th.

Speaker 2 Pro Football Focus had him second behind Cam Ward just yesterday morning. But we saw today

Speaker 2 Cam Ward.

Speaker 2 Cam Ward went first. The Giants traded back into the first round, Ocho, to take Jackson Dart in 25th.
Tyler Schook with 40 to the Saints.

Speaker 2 And we thought there, Shadua could possibly be nine, go nine to the Saints. There, nope, they take Tyler Schook.
Jalen Milro, 92nd overall to the Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 2 And Dylan Gabriel, 94th to the Browns. Now,

Speaker 2 they were talking about, well, Shadur arm, you know, you're outside in Cleveland, and then you got. Nah, not, not, not, not, not, don't start that shit.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, I'm just talking about Russell Conte. Give me a second.
I'm gonna tell you, give me a second, don't show. Baltimore outside, Pittsburgh outside, Cincinnati, Cleveland.

Speaker 2 I don't see what Dylan Gabriel's arm is any stronger than Shadur's. I could be wrong.

Speaker 2 I could be. I could be.

Speaker 2 But I don't know. And I know I'm going to turn it over to you, Ocho, because I know Joe got questions.
I'm going to turn it over to you. I'm going to say this before I do, Ocho.

Speaker 2 In all my years that I go back to like really following the draft and understanding where players are going, getting drafted back in 87,

Speaker 2 in almost 40 years, I've never seen anything like this. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I've never seen nothing like this myself. Obviously, I know I only played a short time, but I've been around long enough to know.

Speaker 2 Obviously, the year, the 11, 12 years I did play, and all the time I've been retired and enjoying the game and watching it from afar and understanding

Speaker 2 how good players are, regardless of what scouts may say. The eye in the sky doesn't lie.
I watched Shadua play from high school to college in Jackson State to what he was able to do at Colorado.

Speaker 2 I want everybody to understand.

Speaker 2 that

Speaker 2 you're never bigger than the program.

Speaker 2 you'll never be bigger than the program no matter who you are and they will show you they will always remind you at any given time if at any point you think you are bigger than the program and that is all we're seeing that's all we're seeing right now joe um that is all we are seeing right now regardless of who you are there's some things i think prime might have said i don't want to quote it but he would he where he said it similar to there's some places i don't want to go we're not gonna go we go what archie manning said when it came to eli

Speaker 2 Same thing. No different.

Speaker 2 Anyway, I got something today I really want to read. Chad, I want you to listen to me real quick.
I'm not here to stir up. I'm happy for everybody that got drafted.
I want you to listen to something

Speaker 2 that was sent to me on Instagram. Chad, y'all stay with me real quick and just listen to me very, very closely.

Speaker 2 What we are witnessing once again is the machinery of a system that has never quite known what to do with a free black man, much less in a free black family.

Speaker 2 The NFL, with all this pageantry and power, finds itself uncomfortable, even threatened when the likes of the Sanders family walk into a room,

Speaker 2 not asking for a seat at the table, but daring to bring their own. Dion Shador, this family has refused to shrink to fit the confines laid out for them.

Speaker 2 And so the machine does what it has always done. It seeks to diminish, to distort, to remind them and us that there is still a place for black folk.
It is not at the head of the table.

Speaker 2 But the tragedy, you see, is not in their refusal to bow, but is in the nation's fear of black excellence unchained.

Speaker 2 The fear that has always been the real danger, not the power of our stride, but the shadow we cast when we stand upright, unafraid, and unapologetically ourselves.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I was talking to my sister. She said, well, you think Shador? I said, Libby, I'm going to be honest with you.

Speaker 2 If he don't go in the second round, I think he might slide out of the third.

Speaker 2 It's all the game.

Speaker 2 It's all the game. Look, Pocho, your draft.

Speaker 2 Your draft story, my brother's draft story was a lot different than mine. My brother didn't have to wait long.

Speaker 2 First round, seventh pick, boom, he gone. On a plane, on the plane, the Green Bay, boom.
You, second round.

Speaker 2 Hey, hold on. With red flags.

Speaker 2 With character issues. School to school.
Bouncing over and over. Why'd he go here? Why'd he go here?

Speaker 2 Bad. Still, second round.
We taking a chance on him. Me.
There ain't no off-the-field issues with Shadu. Nope.
No issues, no nothing. Oh, he's arrogant.
Oh, he's cocky.

Speaker 2 I have a question.

Speaker 2 What was Johnny Manzel?

Speaker 2 Oh, give you one better. What was Baker Mayfield? What was Baker Mayfield? What was Baker Mayfield?

Speaker 2 Okay, now, now, what I will say, when it comes to college and you watch film, that motherfucker, oops, I'm sorry. Johnny Manzal and Baker Mayfield, boy, they played what they were absolutely awesome.

Speaker 2 But again, you can't take away what Shador was able to do at a Denver, Colorado team. That won one game.
They come back the next year with Shadura and win four.

Speaker 2 And I'm not sure what they really were this past season. And then the next year, I think they win nine.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I heard you. You can't.
What did I hear, Ocho? I heard someone say

Speaker 2 that his confidence doesn't match your game. So, in other words, he does a lot of talking, and his game is not indicative of the type of bravado.
What?

Speaker 2 Hey, okay, Ocho. So, yeah.
Question is, do y'all even think he'll get drafted at this point? I mean, what we do, we threw three rounds already. Oh, Lord, have a mercy, Joe.
I mean,

Speaker 2 hey, look, that's what I started to think about. I'm like, hold on.
How did you?

Speaker 2 I'm only watching. I'm trying to see two get drafted.
I was like, hold on. You know,

Speaker 2 I'm hoping. I'm hoping.
I'm hoping he goes in the fourth round. Because here's the coach.

Speaker 2 Okay, let me ask you this.

Speaker 2 Teams that needed a quarterback, what did they do? They took a quarterback in the second or the third round. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But if you already took a quarterback in the second or third round, what's it like you taking a quarterback in the fourth, fifth, sixth, or seventh round? All right.

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Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 now you telling me the people that you did pick in the second and third round, you feel they're better than Shadur.

Speaker 2 So at what point does he come on a team as I'm not even going to mention anything about free agency? What if they prove a point in making way to the seven?

Speaker 2 It's possible, OJo. I mean,

Speaker 2 what point are they trying to prove? Especially at this point, Joe,

Speaker 2 I've never, ever seen anything like this. No, I haven't.

Speaker 2 I'm not talking about black and white. I ain't talking about none of that.
I'm talking about based on what I've seen on film with my own eyes

Speaker 2 compared to other quarterbacks, compared to other quarterbacks outside of Cam Ward.

Speaker 2 What are we looking at?

Speaker 2 I'm not a scout. I'm not a GM, but I do have common sense and I do understand and know the game.

Speaker 2 You're not telling me everybody that has drafted before him,

Speaker 2 What are we talking about?

Speaker 2 Again, I'm happy for everybody that got drafted. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm just saying,

Speaker 2 we're not trying to diminish anybody.

Speaker 2 We're trying to make sense of what we're seeing with Shadur.

Speaker 2 Because I think the thing is,

Speaker 2 Ocho, if there's an injury that we didn't know about, we saw

Speaker 2 Will Howard, the cornerback out of what you call him. He had a propensity when they gave him the scan.
They say he has a high risk for a knee injury. So he slid down.

Speaker 2 Okay, if there's a red flag that we don't know about,

Speaker 2 but I don't, the guy got great. He was on the I think the honor roll.
I think he had a great GPA. He's never been in trouble.

Speaker 2 The numbers speak for themselves. So for me to see a guy rated this high with no issues, that's what's puzzling.

Speaker 2 Like I said, Ojo, you and I don't know

Speaker 2 what those 32 teams and how they view him. Right.
You know, they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You think that's good? I don't think that bad.
You like red? I like black. You like this?

Speaker 2 I like that. So I don't know.
Oh, I don't know. Based on the rankings of all these people that get paid to do this, and it's their opinion, it's subjective.
But nobody,

Speaker 2 I don't think anybody really has Shadur

Speaker 2 past

Speaker 2 Cam Wards, like Mel Kuyper has Shadur one as far as quarterback.

Speaker 2 Most everybody had him two behind Cam Ward. But to see this precipitous fall, this precipitous drop.
And guys, I mean, some guys had Dylan Gabriel,

Speaker 2 what he had in rank, the 148th best player. Melrode, the 86th best player.
Tyler Schultz, 75th. Shadua almost never got past the 20th best player in the draft.
He was 20th on some people's board.

Speaker 2 He was the fifth best player on some people's board

Speaker 2 and he's he's a day three possible well that well that's it it's day three so you get one two and then you go you know rounds four through seven listen i i've never i've never seen i've never seen collusion like this before

Speaker 2 ever i've never i've i've never seen it and and and you know what it is let's call a spade a spade for those that are watching for those that are in the chat i'm not saying there's anything wrong with those that were drafted before him i'm just saying based on my knowledge of the game and understanding of of football and what I've watched throughout the years, especially from that specific position.

Speaker 2 Now, the only thing I can say, the only red flag for them, it's his approach to the game and his confidence.

Speaker 2 I'm assuming that they don't like that, but how do you not want a player to feel the way he feels?

Speaker 2 How do you not want a player that believes in himself and his skill set and what he's done and worked his ass off to get to?

Speaker 2 That could be the only thing, but that can't be a bad thing because there have been other players

Speaker 2 that have come before him that approached the same game with that same demeanor and same attitude and belief similar to him. So to me, it really makes no sense.
But again, nothing.

Speaker 2 And they will always time and time remind us in certain instances that you will never be bigger than the machine or the program. And that's all this is.
That's all it comes down to. And

Speaker 2 it could be a good thing for him too. You know what I mean? If he do get an opportunity,

Speaker 2 he carried that chip on his shoulder, man. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah.
For all the doubters, the naysayers, the people who didn't believe in him, the teams who continue to pass up on him.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? You use that fire and desire when you touch the field, bro. You know, you let them know what's up.
So I don't know. It could be a blessing in the sky.

Speaker 2 Tom Brady. But if people like, well, Tom Brady

Speaker 2 went to sixth round, but Tom Brady wasn't as rated as high as Shadur. Tom Brady was a backup basically his whole career, except the last six, seven games of his senior season.
Right, right.

Speaker 2 So that's the difference. And like I said, Tom Brady turned out to be what Tom Brady turned out to be.

Speaker 2 I had a very very similar story to Shadur because people are like, well, if he was that good, why didn't he go to a D1 school? Well, with my grades,

Speaker 2 I couldn't have gotten the Junco.

Speaker 2 Only place I could get into because there was no, you know, you didn't have to have the same standardized testing grade to get into a Division II school as you did a Division I.

Speaker 2 Because my year old, you know, 1986, it would have it. That was the first year of Prop 48.
So you had to make 700. Remember I told you my credit score by four? Yeah.

Speaker 2 That was also my SAT score by four. Now they give you 100 to put your name on the thing.
I don't know. I might have got that wrong.

Speaker 2 Joe, Joe, I might have left the ER. I might have left the ER for my own name.
I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 Don't hold me. I'm laughing with you because I was a pro 48 when I went to college, too.
I didn't have my ACT score. And, you know, it was challenging, bro.
You know, we dropped the ACT.

Speaker 2 We ain't take the SAT. We took the ACT.

Speaker 2 And you know, back then, Ocho, you know, I played a game that I played a game that Friday night. And then I, my sister driving,

Speaker 2 yeah, my sister drive me to Georgia Southern to take that test. It's eight.
Man, they pulling out them tests. And I'm looking at all them students.
They writing.

Speaker 2 I'm just sitting there like, I don't know nothing on here.

Speaker 2 Listen, you know, it's like, listen, I ain't even got no business laughing.

Speaker 2 I don't even have no business laughing because you got to understand.

Speaker 2 I had my red flags and my character issues going to the league because of my reason for bouncing around from school to school. You got to understand, I graduated from Beach.

Speaker 2 Hell, I ain't even graduated from goddamn high school no time. My grade was so bad.
Listen, Joe,

Speaker 2 Joe, I swear, listen, we family. We family get talking.

Speaker 2 My dream, my dream was I wanted to go to FAMU. So I'm coming out of high school.
I told my grandma, I said, mama, I want to go down to Fam U right there in Talasic.

Speaker 2 My grandma said, listen, baby, it ain't looking good for you. It's not looking good for you.
I'm going to give you options on where you might be able to go, but it definitely ain't going to be FAMU.

Speaker 2 I ended up at Links University, NIA school. Obviously, I'm sure we have some people in the chat from Oklahoma.
Ended up at Links University.

Speaker 2 Getting there the first semester, I get thrown out for fighting.

Speaker 2 I get thrown out for fighting. Man, I never forget, rest his soul, Dr.
Ernest Holloway, rest in peace, ship me back to Miami. I come to my grandma.
I told my grandma what happened.

Speaker 2 Look, you know, my roommate, I think my roommate stole my Pell Grand money.

Speaker 2 My grandma said, listen, baby, I've done all I can can with you i washed my hands i gotta see you i gotta send you to your mama out there in la let me see what she could do with you

Speaker 2 that's how i ended up as that's how i ended up at santa monica college 1997 with steve smith boom that's two years down so i played with steve that first year lo and behold here i go again on not going to class i'm thinking you know my skill set it's gonna get me through the door man them people don't play that they don't play that goddamn santa monica oh no hey joe i'm in i'm ineligible the third year so i got to sit out in the third year so that's three years down uh i'm at southwest doing classes i'm at west la doing classes and i'm doing classes at santa monica just to get my grades together so i could play in 1999 that's four years i go out there i get my stuff together i have one for one scholarship i had two schools offer me a full ride one for one san diego state aztecs and coach dennis erickson He was at Oregon State.

Speaker 2 Man, I, hey, Joe, I squeezed through the crack. I got, I got to Oregon State, man.
All I needed, Joe, I just needed to be on the big stage just to show them folks I could play.

Speaker 2 That's it.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 once I got to Oregon State, man, I played. I was there four months.
I ain't go to nan class. I ain't go to no classes.

Speaker 2 You already know what it was. Yeah, this is my last shot.

Speaker 2 My singular focus was straight football. Hey, Joe, I showed out at Oregon State that little what that little four months I had.

Speaker 2 Man, I got drafted in the second round despite all my issues with all my troubles, all my off-the-field stuff. Man, I ain't look better since they asked me.
They say, Well,

Speaker 2 Shannon,

Speaker 2 your grades, where the rest of them? I say, these ain't looking too good, and the ones that's coming tomorrow ain't gonna look much better.

Speaker 2 So, I don't know what y'all on Joe, I don't know what y'all hoping for, but that's all I got for you. Hey, this is it.
Hey, this is it, Dias.

Speaker 2 Listen, my freshman year, hey, look, my freshman year in college, oh, Joe, Arc, I was probably 48, so I couldn't play the first semester.

Speaker 2 Yeah, as a freshman i can go to the games i gotta sit in the stands i gotta watch the dudes i gotta watch my homies grind out there you know what i mean i can't compete i'm like so it built up a fire in me so when i did get eligible i just took it out on everybody in the sec bro you know what i mean so yeah

Speaker 2 sometimes when things get delayed a little bit you know you can you can muster up some fire to continue oh you can muster up some fire when you get out there you can let them know what's up you know what i mean and so that's for sure that's why when it goes back to shadur man uh you know

Speaker 2 wherever he goes bro i'm sure he'll be happy and uh hopefully he wore that chip man he let him know what's up you know put put

Speaker 2 get back in that uh get back in that laugh you you you absolutely

Speaker 2 and the funny thing about it too um wherever shador comes wherever he goes i i

Speaker 2 i love the saying

Speaker 2 It's not where you get drafted. It's what you do once you get there.
Absolutely. And I understand the competitor.
I understand the competitor that he is.

Speaker 2 And wherever he goes, whoever, and wherever he goes, if it's a team that doesn't have one of the elite superstar quarterbacks, his competitive nature is going to kick in.

Speaker 2 And there's a chance that he can beat those quarterbacks out despite whatever odds or collusion they have against dad.

Speaker 2 When he gets a chance, he can go show them.

Speaker 2 I know that. Just the competitor in him,

Speaker 2 he's not going to

Speaker 2 not gonna hold his head. He's not gonna let it down.
He just wants that opportunity. And once they open that door and he closed it behind him,

Speaker 2 after they playing the game they played these past two days, man, child, please. Man.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like I said, Ocho, I went through something very similar. And I just remember having a conversation with my brother who came in there that night when I didn't go in the first three rounds.

Speaker 2 And I say, bad, I say, Spank.

Speaker 2 I went to the East West Shrine game. I went to the Blue Gray.

Speaker 2 I went to the combine. I said, man, them guys guys that they drafted ain't better than me.

Speaker 2 I said, they're not better than me, Spank. I said, I saw up.
I see all of them. I said, I went to the East West Shrine game and I was the best receiver there.

Speaker 2 I said, all I want is an opportunity.

Speaker 2 Give me a helmet and some shoulder pads. And hey, whoever comes, hey, I'm going to throw all y'all ass in the water.
Whoever swims back to shore, that's who get it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I like that. That's it.
I like, hold on. And what about the reports? What about the the reports? Now, this has happened.
Multiple players have done this. He didn't throw at the combine.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but he threw, but he threw at his pro day. At his pro day.
Yeah, there have been a lot of guys that don't throw.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 I want to throw the guys that's familiar with me. I'm familiar with them.

Speaker 2 Because if somebody's going to bring a guy, you're not going to bring a guy in on a Sunday and he hadn't thrown to those guys. So I want to, you know, A, I want to see, I know how my guys run routes.

Speaker 2 They know how I throw the ball. Boom.
It's a perfect marriage because I want everybody to look good. And possibly, Ocho, there might be some guys.

Speaker 2 If I don't throw on my pro day, if I don't throw, guess what? The scouts are not going to come to see them because everybody's not going to be a first or second round pick.

Speaker 2 Might be some guys getting picked up as a free agent. So I want to

Speaker 2 cast them in a good light. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I just look,

Speaker 2 it's tough and nothing.

Speaker 2 When you're going through something, yeah, people that you're going to be all right. Hey,

Speaker 2 at this point, at that point in time, oh, you ain't really trying to hear that because you can't see. All I can see was what's in front of me.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 it takes a special type of a person to see beyond their circumstances.

Speaker 2 All I can see is right here. No,

Speaker 2 not where I wish to be, not where I'm going to be. Because that's why a lot of people make decisions based on where they are currently, not where they wish to be.

Speaker 2 It's tough. It's tough.

Speaker 2 And I heard what you said. And, you know, and like I said, I heard people say, well, I mean, he really extremely confident, but his game doesn't match the confidence.
Coach Prime.

Speaker 2 Look, and

Speaker 2 I don't know if anybody that's selected now was even in the NFL or selected or in a position

Speaker 2 when Prime was there. So I don't know how I wouldn't, you know, guys, I don't,

Speaker 2 I don't want to make this teams going to, oh,

Speaker 2 you and I played this game. We've covered this game and we've been around this game a long time.
These teams are going to do what the hell they want to do.

Speaker 2 Now, they done told y'all y'all they going to make a have

Speaker 2 this guy quarterback or have this guy as a coach. We going to do what the hell we want to do.

Speaker 2 They're going to select who they want to select, and they believe that, hey, we believe the guy, and they'll tell you, we believe Dylan Brooks is better

Speaker 2 than Shadur. We believe Jackson Dart.
We believe Shook. We believe Milro.
We believe their upside is better than Shadur.

Speaker 2 How do we, how do we prove that it's not?

Speaker 2 I mean, Dylan, Dylan Gabriel did throw for had like 150. I mean, he got what, 16, 17,000 yards.
He got 130, 140 plus touchdown.

Speaker 2 I don't know, but I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 It's,

Speaker 2 I just, I, I don't know why. I, Chat, I'm at a lost.

Speaker 2 I normally wouldn't be able to have, give you a good,

Speaker 2 give you a good excuse or a good reason. I don't like to use the word excuse.
I would like to give you a reason why I think a person or a player slid.

Speaker 2 I have some intel, red flags, even though I won't tell you exactly, but I would, you know, hint around and then I'll let you deduce it for yourself. Folks, y'all don't got nothing.

Speaker 2 I don't got nothing. It's not about grades.
He doesn't have a pre-existing condition. He doesn't have, oh, the character issue that he has, he's extremely confident.

Speaker 2 He believes in himself, which is, I think, one of the most important things you can have as an athlete is confidence, a belief in you.

Speaker 2 Because if you don't believe in you, who the hell else will, y'all? Nobody. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You always got to believe in yourself, man, up most. I don't know.

Speaker 2 All those days when I was training alone, wasn't nobody there. No coaches saw it.
No other players. I did this.
I believed in me. I believed that I was prepared for something greater.

Speaker 2 Even though the circumstances that I was in currently, look,

Speaker 2 I mean, it should tell you something. Yes, his dad gave him great opportunity, great coaches.
He, you know, he was whip braiding. He had a throwing coach or whatever the case may be.

Speaker 2 Isn't that what parents are supposed to do? Put their kids in the best situation so they can succeed?

Speaker 2 So why would I, if I had the opportunity to put my kids in a situation that I think will enhance them or help them succeed, nah, I'm not going to do that. I want you to get it out the mud like I did.

Speaker 2 What kind of sense does that make?

Speaker 2 None at all, man.

Speaker 2 So listen, listen, if you don't need 2020 vision, those in the chat, even if you don't like Shador, those in the chat, even if you don't like Prime, if you have common sense and you've been watching and

Speaker 2 seeing what's going on, You know what it is at this point. You know exactly what it is.

Speaker 2 I mean, it doesn't need to be said, even if you feel feel the players that have gotten drafted before you feel the players that have gotten drafted before shouldor at the quarterback position even if you feel they are better even if you do you still know what it is and if if you don't you're just being purposely you're purposely being naive based on a personal vendetta that you might have against you know the sanders family this has never ever ever ever ever been done No.

Speaker 2 Ever been done. I've never seen it.
And people saying, then people saying he's not good and he can't play at the next level. Like, like, stop, man.
Stop.

Speaker 2 You know, quarterback is one of the hardest positions to find, which is why some teams haven't had success in eons.

Speaker 2 But all of a sudden, he

Speaker 2 come on now.

Speaker 2 Shadura even got pranked called by someone pretending to be from an NFL team and said, have to wait a little longer. Man, whoever did this, man,

Speaker 2 y'all some clowns, bro.

Speaker 2 Man.

Speaker 2 I don't even know why you would do that.

Speaker 2 I mean, at that moment, guys on edge and you're you're just hoping that you get a call. I mean, that's, I mean,

Speaker 2 that's the call you're really hoping that you get.

Speaker 2 Obviously, you want to get it as early as you possibly can, but just and then somebody playing on the phone.

Speaker 2 Really, guys? Come on, man.

Speaker 2 Sean Payne says he's very surprised Shadur hasn't been drafted yet. There'll be this chip on his shoulder.
There'll be this chip on his shoulder.

Speaker 2 And beware, because this guy is going to play in this league.

Speaker 2 Shadur is in good spirits after not getting drafted in day two. God don't make mistakes.
I got faith in God no matter what.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Thank you. Check this out.

Speaker 2 Tyler Shook was Justin Herbert's backup.

Speaker 2 He's eight days older than Trevor Lawrence, was a freshman at Oregon with Bo Bo. He turns 26 when the season starts, and he's had three seasons

Speaker 2 that ended in injury.

Speaker 2 So now you talk about, Ocho, remember I said, does he have an injury history? Does he have red flags that we don't know about?

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 Here's a guy that's about to be 26, had seasons in three different occasions with an injury.

Speaker 2 All I've said, y'all, chat, take, and do with that, whatever you like. I think it's right.
I think we have to, Ocho and I. When we talk sports, when we talk, we have to give you context.

Speaker 2 This is, okay, this guy went here because I'm trying to explain what Shannon, maybe he has a

Speaker 2 pre-existing condition. Maybe there's a character issue off the field.
Maybe he has some kind of a problem.

Speaker 2 We don't know, but we know one guy is about to be 26.

Speaker 2 I don't know about you, Ocho, but when I got drafted, I was 22.

Speaker 2 True, I don't even know how old I was. I was 22.

Speaker 2 As a matter of fact, I got drafted in April. I was 21 when I got drafted.
I turned 22 in June.

Speaker 2 This guy's about to turn 26.

Speaker 2 It's

Speaker 2 there's nothing,

Speaker 2 there's nothing we can do. We can just talk about it and then hope Shador makes the best of it.
Joe, let me ask you this: what do you think?

Speaker 2 What's the equivalent of something like this happening in the NBA? Do you know a player that was rated extremely high?

Speaker 2 And not only did he fall out of the, supposed to be a lottery pick, maybe a top five lottery pick, slid all the way out of the first round, slid all the way out

Speaker 2 of the second round because they only have two rounds in the NBA and ended up having to become a NBA free agent.

Speaker 2 The one person I can really remember is probably Rashad Lewis, him sitting in the green room because, you know, they to the draft. And I think he was probably the last one in the green room.

Speaker 2 And I think he thought he was going to lottery. And I think he ended up going in the second round.
Okay. Yeah, that's tough, bro.
Like, I couldn't imagine that.

Speaker 2 Like, it's already anxiety, you know, from being in there. They told me me I was going to be a top 10 pick, Uncle Nocho.
So

Speaker 2 I was invited to the green room. I'm sitting in there.
Look, even though, you know,

Speaker 2 people done made promises and all that, but I'm like, man, you never know, bro. You never.
Right. You know what I mean? So,

Speaker 2 but it was definitely a surreal feeling, you know, getting drafted, getting, getting a chance to shake David Stern's hand.

Speaker 2 Just a memorable moment for me. And,

Speaker 2 man,

Speaker 2 I remember it like it was yesterday, bro. But yeah, outside of Rashad, I don't really know

Speaker 2 nobody who's kind of got left back there like that, but it's got to be a tough feeling. You know what I mean? And look, Rashad had a great career from that, bro.

Speaker 2 He probably still wears that chip on his shoulders to this day.

Speaker 2 You're probably right.

Speaker 2 When you look at,

Speaker 2 I mean, Thurman Thomas,

Speaker 2 Thurman Thomas ended up falling asleep. He thought he was going to be a first-round pick.
He goes in the second round. Thurman's in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 He won the MVP

Speaker 2 in, I think, 91.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 yeah, but a precipitous fall like this is

Speaker 2 never.

Speaker 2 Ever.

Speaker 2 The volume.

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