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The Timberwolves defeat the Lakers to take a 2-1 lead, 116 to 104. The Lakers wasted a master performance by LeBron, 38 points, 10 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 blocks, 2 steals, 5 of 9 from the 3-point line.
But it was not enough because three of the Timberwolves, Ant-Man finished like Ant-Man's supposed to do. That's what your best player's supposed to do.
He's supposed to finish. But Jaden McDaniels, Julius Randle was sensational.
Naz Reed chipped in. So did Mike Conley.
And they come away, get again a 2-1 lead, 116-104. Joe, let me go to you first.
The Timberwolves, I thought LeBron, in that fourth quarter, he comes down, hit back-to-back threes. And then the game undone.
Turnovers and missed free throws. Joe, watching this game, tell me how it played out in your eyes.
Just seemed like it's two heavyweight fighters, man, just really going at it.

It's like backyard basketball, Uncle Ocho.

Like, they really kind of take the centers out of the game, run, play in the five, they

spread the floor, and it's just penetrating kick basketball.

Things that you learn in grade school, you know what I mean?

And it's just read and react.

And that's pretty much how they've been competing this, you know, pretty much this whole series.

But, like you say, Jay McDaniels, baby, he gonna come out.

See you next week. You know what I mean? And it's just read and react.
And that's pretty much how they've been competing this, you know, pretty much this whole series. But like you say, J.
McDaniels, baby, he going to come out, he ultra aggressive. What his shot? How many field goal attempts he had? 22.
He was 13 for 22 tonight. Like, I like to see that.
I like to see this young talent come out, initiate, you know, be that aggressor and put the onus on the Lakers, man. When him and Ant-Man attacking like that and applying pressure, and that pain on that rim, they're able to get easy, dump down to Rudy, spray out threes to these guards, the Vincenzo coming off the bench playing great.
Hey, it's a problem. Minnesota bringing it.
They bringing it over, Joe. Them boys ain't playing, man.
Yeah. Hey, they came to play tonight.
Obviously, I thought, I think something was wrong with Luka. I'm not sure what was wrong with Luka.
He wasn't on. He wasn't efficient as he normally is.
But LeBron was vintage tonight. LeBron was vintage.
13 for 21. He had 38, 10 rebounds, 4 assists.
He didn't have much help.

He didn't have much help.

He was playing on both ends of the court too now.

Playing defense, playing offense.

Outside of that, man, listen, I'm changing his name.

Anthony Amazon Edwards because he's delivering every time.

He's coming to the party.

And he's on time every time, Monk.

And obviously, Jaden Daniels was excellent tonight. Will he be able to keep up that consistency night in and night out? It's doubtful.
DeVincenzo coming off the bench and contributing. Naj Reed hitting some key threes, obviously, in the game as well.
It was a good game. Like Joe say, it looked like a heavyweight fight.
Both of them going back to back, but when it came down to the end of it, the Timberwolves pulled it off. Yeah, I think the thing is McDaniel has been the key.
If you look at the first game they won, look at how well he shot. He didn't play particularly well in the second game.
Nas Reed didn't play well in the second game. And so that's, he's the X Factor.
Now, if you're going to get your third option and he's going to give you 30 points, it's going to be especially, especially if your first two options are doing what they're supposed to do. Ant-Man gave you 29.
Julius Randle gave you 22. Now your third option, which is McDaniels, he's going to give you 30.
It's going to be hard to overcome that unless LeBron, unless Luke luca unless ar can match that so let's just say for the sake of argument they kind of matched that tonight but the difference was divinchenzo and naz re so they gave you 21 yep so i'm looking at it right here you got 25 off the bench uh from the uh timberwolves and you got 8, 11, 16, 19 from them. But it was a timely shot.
It's too many, Joe, it's too many turnovers. The Lakers, I think, had five or six missed free throws in the first half.
A game you know that's going to be tight. Every possession matters.
Every point matters. When you go to the line and the clock is stopped, you've got to capitalize if you have an opportunity to make free throws and just too many turnovers.
Because when they turn the ball over, Minnesota is making them pay the ultimate price on the other end. Go look at points off turnovers and look how many Minnesota had and look how few the Lakers had.
When you turn the ball over like the Lakers are, and this is a young team, they can get out and run. Lakers don't have the legs that the Minnesota Timberwolves have.
You're asking for trouble. You're really asking for trouble.
I thought the Lakers played really well the third quarter again, kind of got away from them. You know, they had a lead.
But look, you know everybody's going to make a run. I mean, it's a game of runs.
That's what basketball is. You make your run, we make ours, okay.

We go back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.

And then we go on another run, you go on another run.

But I thought the Lakers just turned the ball over too much, Joe.

I thought they turned it over too much.

I thought they missed too many free throws.

And they let the Timberwolves get into a rhythm,

especially like the last four minutes of the game. When you had an opportunity, LeBron had an opportunity.
It seemed like he was going to take a three. He took his eye off the ball.
He smoked the layup. I mean, he smoked it.
Yeah. Good, good.
Smoked one in the first half. Yeah.
When you're on the road and you're playing a team like this, and you know it's going to be nip and tuck, every possession matters. Every point matters, and you can't give away, you can't come away with empty possession.
You can't. The one thing I really do like is, man, when we watch sports, we watch for what? We watch for guys to come out there, not only display their talents, but as long as they're competing at a high level, right?

These dudes out here competing.

You hear me?

They're competing. They're taking on the challenge.

The only thing that concerns me about the Lakers is down the stretch when they go with Bron at the

five, they have no rim protection.

Ant-Man, when he get to the

cup, because he's going to get to the cup,

it's either bucket, foul, or

spray out for three.

Because what they're doing is they're putting Luka in the pick and roll. Yeah, they're seeking it.
They're picking on Luka. So now, Luka can't stop him on the initial move.
So now, if you throw it, somebody slides to help, it's an easy kick. But a lot of times, he's like, bro, that's Gabe Vincent.
That's Dorian Finney-Smney Smith I'm going on the top of y'all the one time he got that steal hold on when he got that steal he dribbled out to the three point line I don't know what Luka was thinking I'm like Luka should have been on the block so when he looked to come baseline he should already been that big like nah. Like, nah, don't come this way.
Man, I can't win baseline and snatch the screws out of that thing. Hey, Joe, y'all think Luka hurt or was he just tired tonight? He said, fool, something he wasn't feeling right.
He wasn't feeling well. That's what they said.
Yeah, he kept holding his stomach or something like that. It's hard to tell.
And I don't know if he initially came out there with the undershirt on that he had. It seemed like I don't know.
Like I said, I wouldn't really pay him attention. And then I don't think he started the second half.
Right. Because Gabe Business started the second half and then at the time out he ended up coming into the ball game.
So he might be a little under the weather but at this juncture of the year, Ocho, don't nobody care. I'm just going to be 1,000 with you, Ocho.
Joe, you played at a high level in the NBA, Ocho, and you and I, we played football. When you're in the playoffs, nobody gives a damn whether you got an injury, whether you got a C, you got the flu, food, poison, whatever the case may be.
Get your butt out there on the field or the court and deliver. That's what you make the big bucks for.
That's how you got that name. That's who you are.
And that's the expectation that people have. And I believe that's the expectation.
And Luka's not going to make excuses. He knows he's going to have to play better if they're going to have a chance to win this series.
Absolutely. Yeah.
So, I mean, listen, how you feeling now? I feel good. Y'all down? No, no, no, no.
Y'all down, one, two? The five is obviously it's not happening in five. I feel good.
I feel good with the Lakers. It can still happen in five.
It may not be. Don't do that, Joe.
Don't do that. It took me a little while for it to register.
The one thing that concerns me, you know, this Young Wolves team, they went in L.A., they did what they want to do. They got to win.
So they got home court advantage. Now, as long as they can take care of home court, man, they're going to be tough to beat, bro.
Like, we need, bro, I needed 50 tonight to win. He needed 50.
I'm sorry. He the only want rhythm.
Only one scene to really have a rhythm. I thought Austin Reese had a pretty good rhythm there for a second, but man, you need people to put pressure on the, uh, on that realm, man, get in that paint to be able to sprout for threes.
We needed Roy. I mean, I mean, something you never know.
I can never tell what I'm going to get from Rui. Uh, is not nearly enough.
Four rebounds, bro, I need more than that. I mean, bro, you got 38 points, and you got 38 minutes, and you got eight points.
LeBron, you got a guy on 40-year-old legs giving you 40 minutes. He was a minus 19.
He was the highest plus minus. He was the highest minus on the other night.
Yeah. It's just tough to overcome when you...
Look, Jackson Hayes, he can't play. The problem is that you don't have no protection from the rim because Jackson Hayes can't play long enough.
And the thing is that they're allowing Gobert to play 24-25 minutes and they got rim protection. So if somebody beats somebody up there to dribble, you saw, who's that? Dorian Finney-Smith and Rudy Gobert and say, let me get that.
Let me hold that right quick. I don't know what you thought.
And then somebody told you. And it's like, Randall, Randall grunts him like he's being like, being a bull in a china shop.
Like, he really caused a habit there because they too small to deal with him and Rudy. You know what I mean? Right.
And when he played Randle at the five, like, he deadly at that position. You know, going off the bounce, creating, getting to the cup, getting fouls, going to the free throw line, kind of get himself going.
You know what I mean? Yeah. But what I don't understand, Joe, I've never seen a left-handed, most lefties, going to go to that dominant hand.
If you think about all the lefties, you think about Julius Randle. Think about James Harden.
Think about Marcelonas. Think about any lefty, Manu Ginobili.
Bro, you know they want to go to that dominant hand, and they let Randle spin every time to the left. Make him go right.
Yeah, yeah. And I get it, Joe.
It's a lot easier said than done, but I'm not going to allow you to beat me. If I'm a boxer, you might knock me out, but you ain't going to knock me out with your dominant hand.
Now, you might catch me with something I don't see, but it ain't going to be your dominant one.

So you might slip that uppercut on me, old Joe,

or you might hit me with the left hook.

But if I know you got a right,

I ain't going to get me.

You ain't going to get me.

So you know you want to get to that left hand.

He wants to get there.

I'm not letting him go.

And then once he picks up his dribble and he fakes right, okay, go ahead and go that way.

But I'm not going to let you fake me right, and I go flying out the sky like I'm David Thompson and come back left and lay it up. I'm not gonna do that.
I'm not gonna do that, Joe. Am I wrong in that assessment, Joe? No, you're not wrong, but like you say, it is a little harder than what you say.
I mean, he's being ultra-aggressive. He was 9 for 10 from the free throw line.
He got to the free throw line 10 times.

So, which lets me know, you know, when he caught it,

he took advantage of the mismatches.

You know, he took advantage of being one of the bigger guys in the game at the time.

And, you know, he's helping them, man.

He's giving these guys wide open shots just by him being ultra aggressive like they're on offense.

Yeah.

Go ahead, Ocho.

Go ahead.

I'm just trying to look at some stats because I don't really have it on my computer like I would at offense. Yeah.
Go ahead, Ocho. Go ahead.
I'm just trying to look at some stats

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like I would at home.

Yeah.

The Lakers in trouble.

Hey, Joe, the next game in Minnesota, ain't it?

Yes, sir.

Hey, y'all, it ain't looking good.

It ain't looking good.

We got this one.

Listen, LeBron, like Joe said,

LeBron going to have to score 50.

Luka has to, I'm not sure if he got a tummy ache.. I'm not sure what it is.
Hopefully he's able to recover and come back to playing how we know he can play. Awesome reads.
Give us something like we did tonight. But Rui got to show up.
Rui got to show up. Or Unke, it's not looking good.
Look, I think for me, when I'm looking at this, do I expect LeBron? Can LeBron do it? Yes. I've seen him go 30 and 40 in back-to-back games.
You're asking an awful lot because the next game is probably going to be Sunday. So if you think about it, think about the layoff that they had.
They played, and then now all of a sudden they get – so he got two days off. So when you're older, you need more

time to recover, Joe. You need more time to

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and that Honda and that red table.

You need more of recovery.

So I don't know how quick. Now look,

I know immediately after this game, he went straight

to the locker room, putting them feet, putting them

puppies in the car and bucketing them ice.

He got ice bags on his knees. He got it on his back.
So he's doing everything he possibly can to start the recovery process as soon as possible. But he is 40.
He is. There's no way around.
There's no way to escape that. So I don't know if he's going to be able to give you another virtuoso like he gave you tonight.
They really need Luka to play better than what he played. Hopefully that bug will be a 24-hour bug, and it'll be subsided, it'll be gone.
But I don't think, if you think about it, they didn't play bad. I mean, if you look at the total.
I mean, I'm looking at LeBron. LeBron had 38.

Luka had 17. That's 55.

And Austin Reeves had

20. That's 77 points.

They ain't playing bad. No.

But the problem is that you ran into

Julius Randle had

22. McDaniels had 30.

That's 52.

And then you compare that with the 29

that Ant-Man had. So now you're at 81 and the auxiliary you got nine from Mike Conley you got 11 you got 10 so we're gonna need we're gonna need okay three they sup they cancel each other out well they got I have two other guys that go double figures that means the Lakersakers are going to have to have somebody that go double figures, 15-16, to offset what Nas Reed and what, who's that, DiVincenzo, what they gave you.
I mean, look, they hit some shots. I mean, DiVincenzo hit a crossover, crossed Fanny Smith up, made him touch earth, and then stepped back and held his leg up.
Mike Conley got a rebound, ran out, and banked it. I don't know how he made it from, how he banked that from that angle, Joe.
I still don't know how he did it. That's what, the basketball guys, baby, he living right.
He living right. He living right.
Basketball guys give you some grace. That's what I said, if you remember when they had COVID, he ended up winning the horse competition because he's affidatious.
He can shoot either hand. If they want to have a horse competition, I would probably pick...
It would be very interesting if Luca, Mike Carley, and Steph Curry were to enter it. It would be very interesting because all three of them can make some crazy, ridiculous-ass shots.
Yeah, they do, man. They do.
I'm going to tell you something. Luka and A.R., they're going to have to get on the bandwagon with LeBron Ocho.
You know? Yeah. It's going to take at least two of them to probably explode to get a game in Minnesota because they're seeking Luka every trip, bro.
So you got to imagine that he got the ball in his hand on offense almost every play if Ron ain't got it. And then defensively, it's like we seeking for you every play.
So he's having to exert a lot of energy to, you know, to be able to, you know, put his stamp on the game, man. But yeah, he's going to have to step up for him.

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That's how you make an offensive player exert energy. You make him work on the defensive end.
So, hey, oh, you think you're going to drop 40 on me and coast on it in? No, you're not. Right.
Because I'm going to try to give you 30. Right.
I'm going to try to make you exert energy, and now I'm going to put your ass in the pick and roll. I'm going to make you fight over picks.
I'm going to attack you because I'm going to make you exert, burn some of that energy so you don't have as much on the other end. I agree with you, Joe.
I think, and the thing is that when you say go off, they need to go off in an efficient manner. You can't take 20 shots and make four and say, well, I had 25 points.
That's not good. You need to go off like LeBron.
You need to go off in an efficient manner for it to mean something. And so I agree with you.
I think those two guys, Luque and LeBron, probably need to team up for about, in order for them to win this series, that 77 was good, but they might need to be around the 85, 90 between the three of them, Joe. Somebody's going to have a 40 point.
Somebody's going to have to have a high 20 or a low 30. And the other guy's going to have to be in the mid-20s.
In order for them to come... I can't count on the other guys that's going to...
I can't go in and say, well, I know Fanny Smith's going to give me 12 tonight. Well, Rui's going to probably give me 16.
I can't go in thinking that. Right.
You know, we put a game plan together, Ocho, I'm like, okay, Ocho's going to give me his eight. Who's going to give me probably five to six.
Okay, I can rest his soul, Chris Henry. He's probably going to give me four.
One's going to probably be can pencil that I kinda know what I'm gonna get outside of your top three I'm not sure what I'm gonna get from Rui I'm not sure, I'm not really counting on a whole lot of points from Vando maybe one three from Gabe Vincent I don't know what I'm gonna get from anybody else And so it's hard because those guys go off, they can still possibly lose. But I know if those guys don't go off, they don't have a chance.
Yeah. And listen, it's damn near just as three, I want to say two man, because sometimes, you know, Reeves can get hot.
And when Reeves was on, he's on. But I like LeBron's approach to the game tonight.
He didn't come out trying to

facilitate. He came out and

established dominance early, which he didn't

do in game two. Luka was

on fire. He allowed Luka to stay

in rhythm. But LeBron approached the game

differently tonight. You know what? I'm going to get myself

a rhythm and let the game

come to everybody else. As it will.

As it may. Luka

wasn't feeling well tonight. Something had to be wrong.
Whatever it is, they got to fix it for the next game, which is Sunday, right? I think so. I think the next game is going to be Sunday, Ocho.
Yeah, if the next game is Sunday, I think it would be who LeBron to approach the game in the same manner and being very aggressive early in the game. I think he had 16, but in the second quarter, something like that? Yeah, he had 20.

LeBron had 14. He had 14

in the second. He had 6 in the first,

14 in the second. He didn't.

He was like, okay, I think

Ochoa, he might have had

5, 7, might have had like

7 in the second and the third quarter.

And then he had a back-to-back

three that looked like he was about to let him another one

because Luka got a pass up to him in a hurry and he just fumbled it and then the next thing you know they come back down because when he smoked that layup, they hit a three. Then he fumbled the ball and then they come back and they get enough.
So those are swings and points and momentum when you do things like that. And you know it normally happens like that, Joe.
You smoke one-on-one in, they come back and get points on the other end. You turn the ball over, and now they right back at you in your kitchen.
Yeah. You got to take care of that rock, man, especially in the playoffs.
You know, every possession, you know, is valuable. But here's my thing.
You got – that man ain't even shooting no free throws tonight, man. No.
He still ain't – to me, he had 29 tonight, but he still ain't had one of them games, one of them signature games of them signature games I'm looking for him to go off about 40-45 Ocho, you hear me? I'm hoping so because if he go for 45, Jaden Daniels is not going to get 22 shots so I hope you're right it might be okay, he might be one of them official ones you know he was the best three point shooter in the NBA this year he had the most threes he wasn't the best high school Yeah, the most three. You know he was the best three-point shooter in the NBA this year.
He was five. No, he had the most

threes.

He wasn't the best

highest.

He had the most threes.

Listen, he was five

for ten from the

three tonight.

He's shooting that

three ball now.

Yeah.

But if you think

about it,

McDaniel was 13

or 22.

12 or 26,

I can live with

that.

But he got him.

He made about three in that fourth quarter. He made some threes in the fourth that kind of, that basically just, okay, the game's over.
Yeah. And that's what you do.
You want the closer. You want your closer.
When he come in, Mo Rivera, when the Yankees got to the ninth, sometimes he got a four-ounce save. But most of the time, Ocho, when they open that bullpen in the ninth, and they say, enter the Sandman, and he come out of that thing, and he you know, he got one pitch, and all he thought was that cut fastball.
That cut him. That's my closer.
And that's what you want. You want your closer.
I will put the ball in your hands, deliver us, get us this win. He put the ball in that man's hand, and he made right play.
He hit the open guy or he finished at the rim. So I cannot complain about, you know, they had a lead.
The Lakers are like, okay, we're going to make y'all going to earn this one. Close ball game.
What did they do? Three. Instead of being now you're up five.
What did he do again? He come back, two point. Another three.
Give it to me. Give it to me.
Now, come on now. Come on.
I've been waiting for this. I've been waiting for it.
Yeah. So I cannot complain because Ant-Man did what he was supposed to do.
And I'm thinking if you're a coach, you are J.J. Reddick.
Joe, you ain't thinking J.J. McDaniel is about to give you a 30 bomb? No.
Joe, you ain't thinking

no, no.

Give me the stats. How many times did Jay

McDaniels have 30 in the season? It's a career

high for him. It was a career high for him.

It was a career high. But listen,

when you got your main guy

Ant-Man pushing for him, pushing for

his co-star, you know, feeding that confidence

into him like that, like he gonna

perform like this at home. You know, he

gonna have some career-high

games. I'm looking for him to have another one.

I'm not.

I'm gonna be honest with you.

Because he's a

starter, but he's a role player.

And role players, then I will

concede this, they normally

play better at home.

You know, your third, fourth receivers, they normally play better at home. Your third, fourth receivers, they normally play better at home.
Crowd backing them as opposed on the road. And so we understand guys are very familiar and their environment.
Got no problem with that. But I'm not counting on him to give me another 30 piece.
Julius Randle, like you said, he the Bulldog.

You're asking an awful lot because you don't really,

because if you ask LeBron

to bang with you

basically the whole night,

he ain't going to be

getting anything on offense.

Not at point.

Not to bang,

not to bang,

to bang.

Because Julius is trying to bang.

And listen,

that's why you had

them little mishaps

at the end of the game.

Miss layup,

just a fumble or a bomb. Because I knew if he had have caught that ball clean, he'd probably going to let it ride for three.
Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And the one he smoked, he was supposed to dunk that one. He like, man, I ain't even got it in me.
I ain't even got it in me. I ain't even got it in me tonight.
But I thought, look, we can sit here and say, yeah, they missed too many free throws. Yes, they turned the ball over.
But somebody forced those turnovers. Now, to miss free throws, you just missed.
That's a lack of concentration. And you can't miss six free throws in the first half.
You can't. Because now you're trying to stretch the lead.
But those turnovers, some of them, I mean, Luka dribbled the ball off the back of his foot. Rudy Gobert snatched.
Rudy Gobert, took the ball out your hand, Luka. Really? He's wearing them down.
He's wearing them down. In three, you know, from you picking up from game one, picking up that energy and effort, making him work on both ends of the floor.
At some point,

this is the plan, is to wear him down, to

where he make those mental type of mistakes

and, you know, it helps the

Timberwolves, and that's kind of what's been happening.

That's how

you have to do it. I mean, you got a guy like

Lucas, he's immensely confident. He sees a couple

go in. Now he's going to start,

he's going to be like, okay, okay, okay,

I got it. But,

and the thing is, with him, if you

watch him, he can

Thank you. up and go in.
Now he's going to start. He's going to be like, okay, okay, okay.
I got it. And the thing is with him, if you watch him, he can miss three or four threes, and then he'll go on the hot stretch, and he'll make four or four.
The shot that he had on Julius Renter, he had no business making that. First of all, I don't even know why he took it.
Listen, let alone make it. It was some elite shot making.
I'm talking about tonight. I'm talking about them dudes was making some tough shots, bro.
This is why we watched, man. The game was definitely fun to watch tonight.
Them dudes competing at a super high level, which is why we're starting to deal with a lot of these injuries in this postseason, too, by the way. Yeah.
Guys are playing hard, man, and you're having these freak accidents. I mean, you know, one little injury could derail some team's playoff hopes.
You know what I mean? You're right, and I think the thing is that first of all, the Lakers are really challenged defensively because you got a 41-year-old guy that was an all-NBA player, but he can't move like he once could. Luka and AR, they're not good defensive players.
So you got a 41-year-old guy that was an all-NBA player, but he can't move like he once could.

Luka and AR, they're not good defensive players.

So you got three guys really that are not defensive.

First of all, when you put those guys out,

DeRue is not known as a defender.

That's not what he's good at.

Dorian Finney-Smith is okay.

I wouldn't say he's an elite defender, but I think he's okay.

He's adequate.

So you got a bunch of guys that don't defend at a high level and they can't protect one another. Right.
So now I don't got no when I put LeBron at the five. Yeah, he's your back line at the fifth.
Or Rui playing at the five. Whomever.
Four or five doesn't matter. Yeah.
Because when any man come through that, it's Ole. Ole, he coming through that.
You ain't finna put me on your card. I ain't finna be on your card.
Damn, your poster. Because don't nobody buy posters no more.
They got cards. So you not finna have Ant-Man signing over the top of my...
Listen, I can't believe Luka jumping with that man all the way. He was thinking about Luka out here tripping.
Hey, I tried. You know, in the playoffs, Joe, you do things you don't normally do.
Right there, Ojo. You know what I'm saying? You go over the middle like, damn, that's really hot, but I got to give it an effort.
No. Hey, Ojo, you know you're going to get blown up like, damn.
How far you back? How far you back now? Okay. Joe, I'm looking like, oh.
Yeah. Okay.
Now, look at me. Hey, look, I would have been already on that block over there before he even went baseline.
Just let him know. Don't even come this way.
I'm cutting you out. Let that man come baseline.
Boy, I knew it was over with. Oh.
Yeah. Hey, I got to catch him, Ocho.

Hey,

you jump,

I'm going to catch you and run the other way with you.

You ain't going to jump.

You ain't dunking on me.

I'm going to run the other way with you.

Hey,

what you doing?

Hey,

you're not going to put me on,

you're not going to put me on no poster.

Tell nobody to want that smoke

when that young boy comes.

Nah,

I ain't going to get no.

I'm not,

I'm not,

I'm not going to be on your highlight.

I'm not going to do it.

I'm not,

I'm not.

Your game four is Sunday. Probably.
No, it's probably gonna be the late game. Probably gonna be the late game.
What time do they play, Ash? Ash is gonna look up the time. What you thinking, Joe? You think they're gonna be what? third game? They're going to be prime time.
They playing in minutes. I don't think they're going to be prime time because it's going to be the second game.
Oh, it's the second game? It's the 3.30 game. It is.
It's not. Well, I guess 5.30 would be considered prime.
But it's going to be the ABC game.

Yeah, yeah.

Because you got Ant-Man and Luka.

Because ain't nobody else got stars like that.

You got Ant-Man, you got Luka, you got Braun.

Ain't nobody else got three superstars playing like that. Not Boston,

not

Indy, Milwaukee,

not the Knicks

and Detroit.

So nobody has what they have. Okay, so New New York Detroit is the 10 a.m.
game Lakers Minnesota 1230 you got Boston Orlando 10 a.m. 10 a.m.
which means it's one one one it's one as you look at it at specific time but no it's 1 o'clock, and then it's the 3.30 game, and then you got the 7, and then you got the 6.30 game. So it's going to be – they're going to bounce back.
I'm not overly concerned. I'm not overly concerned.
I love the confidence. I love the confidence.
I love the confidence that you have in your Lakers. I like it.
We're going to have a very interesting, a very different conversation on Sunday night, Joe. Mark my word.
They need to win game four. We're going to win.
They don't need to. We done won want.
Oh, okay. Okay.
Hey, go.

Hey, you

saw just a sample

of what Goat James is capable of.

You just saw a sample. Yeah, I know what he can do.

Okay. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Matter of fact, matter of fact, how confident are you?

What about, yeah,

matter of fact, we don't get my money because you said you're gonna have

my money in Green Bay. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Scale of 1 to 10. Scale of 1 to 10.

Scale of 1 to 10, how confident are you in the Lakers?

Winning game for Sunday.

8.5.

On a scale of 1 to 10, 8.5?

What?

Is it an air code?

Join code that, though, because it's air code.

Hey, you better sit and look at some of them profile that you was talking about.

You better sit and look at some of them profile that you was talking about. Yeah, you're going to need it.
Who, Luca? Yeah, Luca, you're going to tell you. You better sit and look at some of them profile that you was talking about.
You better sit in some of them and get them right. You're going to need it.

Yeah, Luca, you're going to tell you. You better sit in a little

profile that you was talking about.

I know, excuse me.

Before we get to the rest of these NBA

games, we got to start

to talk about what happened

not only yesterday, last night,

Ocho, you and I were at Lambeau Field

for the first round of draft, but

today, rounds two and three has passed, and Shadour Sanders hasn't been selected. 102 picks, five quarterbacks selected.
Cam Ward went number one overall. No surprise there.
We knew that once he had his workout, they canceled all other official visits. That told me everything I needed

to know. Boom.

Now, Jackson Dart,

Tyler Shuck, Jalen

Milrow, Dylan Gabriel.

Now, for context,

I want to provide context, I don't know, Joe,

because that's what we like to do here. Daniel Jeremiah

had Shadour, the

second-ranked quarterback, four days ago.

Cam Ward was the eighth overall best player. Shadour was the 20th best overall player.
Jackson Dark, the 36th overall best player. Tyler Shook, 75th overall best player.
Jalen Milrow, 86th. Dylan Gabriel, 148th.
Mel Kuyper Jr., the guru, just four days ago,

had Shadour ranked over

Cam Ward. He had Shadour as

the fifth best player. Cam Ward

as the sixth best player. Jackson

Dart as the 28th best player.

Tyler Shook, 46.

Pro football focus had

him second behind Cam Ward

just yesterday morning.

But we saw today Cam Ward went first. The Giants traded back into the first round, Ocho, to take Jackson Dart in 25th.
Tyler Shook went 40 to the Saints, and we thought there should do what could possibly be nine, go nine to the Saints there. Nope, they take Tyler Shook.
Jalen Milrow, 92nd overall to the Seattle Seahawks. And Dylan Gabriel, 94th to the Browns.
Now, we were talking about, well, Shadour arm, you know, you're outside in Cleveland, and then you got Cincinnati. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Don't start that shit. No, no, no, no.
No, I'm just talking about the context. Give me a second, Ocho.
Baltimore outside, Pittsburgh outside, Cincinnati, Cleveland. I don't see where Dylan Gabriel arm is any stronger than Shadou.
I could be wrong. I could be.
I could be. But I don't know.
And I know I'm going to turn it over to you, Ocho, because I know Joe got questions. I'm going to turn it over to you.
I'm going to say this before I do, Ocho. In all my years that I go back to, like, really following the draft and understanding where players are getting drafted, back in 87, in almost 40 years, I've never seen anything like this.
I've never seen nothing like this. Myself.
Obviously, I know I only played a short time, but I've been around long enough to know. Obviously, the 11, 12 years I did play, and all the time I've been retired and enjoying the game and watching it from afar and understanding how good players are, regardless of what scouts may say.
The eye in the sky doesn't lie. I watched Adore play from high school to college at Jackson State to what he was able to do at Colorado.
I want everybody to understand that you're never bigger than the program. You'll never be bigger than the program no matter who you are.
And they will show you. They will always remind you at any given time, if at any point you think you are bigger than the program and that is all we're seeing that's all we're seeing right now Joe that is all we're seeing right now regards to who you are there's some things I think Prime might have said I don't want to quote it but he would he we said it's similar to there's some places I don't want to go we to go.
Bingo. What Archie Manning said when it came to Eli.
Same thing. No different.
Anyway, I got something today I really want to read. Chad, I want you to listen to me real quick.
I'm not here to stir up. I'm happy for everybody that got drafted.
I want you to listen to something that was sent to me on Instagram. Chad, y'all stay with me real quick and just listen to me very, very closely.

What we are witnessing, once again, is the machinery of a system that has never quite known what to do with a free black man, much less than a free black family.

The NFL, with all this pageantry and power, finds itself uncomfortable, even threatened, when the likes of the Sanders family walk into a room, not asking for a seat at the table, but daring to bring their own. Dion, Shador, this family has refused to shrink to fit the confines laid out for them.
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not the power of our stride,

but the shadow we cast when we stand upright,

unafraid, and unapologetically ourselves.

Yeah, I was talking to my sister.

She said, well, you think she do?

I said, Libby, I'm gonna be honest with you.

If he don't go in the second round, I think he might slide out of the third. Unc, it's all a game.
It's all a game. Look, Pocho, your draft, your draft story, my brother's draft story was a lot different than mine.
My brother didn't have to wait long. First round, seventh pick.

Boom.

He gone.

On a plane.

On a plane to Green Bay.

Boom.

You, second round.

Hey, with red flags.

With character issues.

School to school.

Bouncing over and over.

Why'd he go here?

Why'd he go here?

Bad.

Still, second round. We taking a chance on him.
Me. There ain't no off the field issues with Shadu.
Nope. No issues, no nothing.
Oh, he's arrogant. Oh, he's cocky.
I have a question. What would Johnny Manziel? Cocky.
Oh, give you one better. Baker Mayfield.
What was Baker Mayfield? What was Baker Mayfield? Okay, now, now what I will say,

when it comes to college and you watch film,

that motherfucker,

oh, I'm sorry,

Johnny Manziel

and Baker Mayfield,

what they played,

what they were

absolutely awesome.

But again,

you can't take away

what Shadour was able to do

at a Denver, Colorado team

that won one game,

they come back

the next year with Shadour and win four, and I'm not sure what they they were this past season. And then the next year, I think they win nine.
Yeah, I heard. What did I hear, Ocho? I heard someone says that his confidence doesn't match his game.
So in other words, he does a lot of talking and his game is not indicative of the type of bravado. What? Hey, okay, Joe.
So, my question is, do y'all even think he'll get drafted at this point? I mean, what we do? We threw three rounds already? Ooh, Lord, have mercy, Joe. Hey, look, that's what I started thinking about.
I'm like, hold on. I'm only watching.
I'm trying to see two get drafted. I'm like, hold on.
You know? I'm hoping, I'm hoping, I'm hoping he goes in the fourth round. Because here's the coach.
Okay, let me ask you this. Teams that needed a quarterback, what did they do? They took a quarterback in the second or the third round.
Yeah. Well, if you already took a quarterback in the second or third round, what's the likelihood of you taking a quarterback in the fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh round? All right.
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So now you're telling me the people that you did pick in the second and third round, you feel they better than Shador So at what point Does he come on a team As I'm not even going to mention Anything about free agency What if they prove a point In making way to the seven It's possible, Ocho What point are they trying to prove Especially at this point, Joe I've never ever Seen anything like this No, I haven't. I'm not talking about black and white.

I ain't talking about none of that.

I'm talking about based on what I've seen on film with my own eyes.

Based on where he was ranked.

Compared to other quarterbacks outside of Cam Ward.

What are we looking at?

I'm not a scout.

I'm not a GM.

But I do have common sense that I do understand and know the game.

You're not telling me everybody that drafted before him, what are we talking about? Again, I'm happy for everybody that got drafted. I'm just saying.
We're not trying to diminish anybody. We're trying to make sense of what we're seeing with Shadour.
Because I think the Ocho, if there's an injury that we didn't know

about, we saw Will Howard,

the cornerback out of what you call him, he had

a propensity when they gave him the scan. They

say he has a high risk for a knee

injury. So he slid down.

Okay, if there's a

red flag that we don't know

about, but

I don't, the guy got great. He was

on, I think, the honor roll. I think he had a great GPA.
He's never been in trouble. The numbers speak for themselves.
So for me, to see a guy rated this high with no issues, that's what's puzzling. Like I said, Ocho, you and I don't know excuse me, what those 32 teams and how they view him.
They say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You think that's good? I don't think that's bad.
You like red? I like black. You like this? I like that.
So I don't know based on the rankings of all these people that get paid to do this. It's their opinion.
It's subjective. But nobody, I don't think anybody really has Shadour.
Cam Ward's, like Mel Kiper has Shadour one as far as quarterback. Most everybody had him two behind Cam Ward.
But to see this precipitous fall, this precipitous drop, and guys, I mean, some guys had Dylan Gabriel, when he had him ranked, the 148th best player. Mill Road, the 86th best player.
Tyler Shilt, 75th. Shador almost never got past the 20th best player in the draft.
He was 20th on some people's board. He was the fifth best player on some people's board.
And he's a day three possible. Well, that's it.
It's day three. So you get one, two, and then you go rounds four through seven.
Listen, I've never seen collusion like this before ever I've never seen it

and you know what it is

let's call a spade a spade

for those that are watching

for those that are in the chat

I'm not saying

there's anything wrong

with those that were drafted

before him

I'm just saying

based on my knowledge

of the game

and understanding of football

and what I've watched

throughout the years

especially

from that

specific position

now the only thing

I can say

the only red flag for them

it's his approach

to the game

and his confidence

I'm assuming

that they don't like that

Thank you. the years, especially from that specific position.
Now, the only thing I can say, the only red flag for them, it's his approach to the game and his confidence. I'm assuming that they don't like that, but how do you not want a player to feel the way he feels? How do you not want a player that believes in himself and his skill set and what he's done and worked his ass off to get to? That could be the only thing, but that can't be a bad thing because there've been other players that has come, that have come before him that approached the same game, but that same demeanor and same attitude and belief similar to him.
So to me, it really makes no sense, but again, nothing. And they will always time and time remind us in certain instances that you will never be bigger than the machine or the program.
And that's all this is. That's all it comes down to.
And it could be a good thing for him, too. You know what I mean? If he do get an opportunity, he carry that chip on his shoulder, man.
You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. For all the doubters, the naysayers, the people who didn't believe in him, teams who continue to pass up on him.
You know what I mean? You use that fire and desire when you touch the field, bro. You know, you let them know what's up.
So, I don't know. It could be a blessing in disguise.
Tom Brady. But see, people that were Tom Brady winning the sixth round.
But Tom Brady wasn't as rated as high as Shadour. Tom Brady was a backup basically his whole career except the last six, seven games of his senior season.
Right, right. So, that's the difference.
And like I said, Tom Brady turned out to be what Tom Brady turned out to be. I had a very similar story to Shadour because people were like, well, if he was that good, why didn't he go to a D1 school? Well, with my grades, I couldn't have got in the JUCO.
Only place I could get into because there was no you didn't have to have the same standardized testing grade to get into a Division II school as you did a Division I. Because my year, Ocho, 1986, it would have it.
That was the first year of Prop 48. So you had to make 700.
Remember I told you my credit score was my fault? Yeah. That was also my SAT score, my fault.
Now, they give you a hundred to put your name on the thing. I don't know.
I might have got that wrong. I might have left the ER.
I might have left the ER for my own name. I'm not sure.
I'm not sure, Joe. Hey, don't hold me to that.
Don't hold me. I'm laughing with you because I was a prop for a day when I went to college too.
I didn't have my ACC score. And, you know, it was challenging, bro.
You know, we took the SAT. We didn't take the SAT.
We took the ACC. And you know, back then,cho, I played a game that Friday night and then my sister drive me to Georgia Southern to take that test.
Man, they're playing out of them tests and I'm looking at all those students they writing. I'm just sitting there like I don't know nothing on here.
You know, it's like listen, I ain't even got no business laughing. I don't know nothing on here.
Listen, you know, it's like, listen,

I ain't even got no business laughing.

I don't even have no business laughing because you got to understand,

I had my red flags and my character issues

going to the league because of my reason

for bouncing around from school to school.

You got to understand, I graduated from B-T-R.

Hell, I ain't even graduated from goddamn high school all the time.

My grades are so bad.

Listen, Joe, I swear to God, listen, we family. We talk we can talk we family my dream my dream was I wanted to go to FAMU so I'm coming out of high school my grandma I said mama I want to go down to FAMU right there in Tallahassee my grandma say listen baby it ain't looking good for you it's not looking good for you I'm going to give you options on where you might be able to go, but it definitely ain't for your family.
I ended up at Langston University. NIA school, obviously, I'm sure we have some people in the chat from Oklahoma.
Ended up at Langston University. Getting there the first semester, I get thrown out for fighting.
I get thrown out for fighting, man, I never forget,

rest his soul,

Dr. Ernest Holloway,

rest in peace,

ship me back to Miami,

I come to my grandma,

I told my grandma

what happened,

look,

you know,

my roommate,

I think my roommate

stole my pale grand money,

my grandma said,

listen baby,

I've done all I can

with you,

I washed my hands,

I gotta send you

to your mama

out there in LA,

let me see what

she can do with you,

that's how I ended up at Santa Monica College. 1997 with Steve Smith.
Boom. That's two years down.
So I played with Steve that first year. Lo and behold, here I go again.
Not going to class. I'm thinking, you know, I'm a skill set.
It's going to get me through the door. Man, them people don't play that.
They don't play that out there in Santa Monica. Oh, no.
Hey, Joe, I'm ineligible the third year. So I got to sit out in the third year.
So that's three years down. I'm at Southwest doing classes.
I'm at West LA doing classes. And I'm doing classes at Santa Monica just to get my grades together so I can play in 1999.
That's four years. I go out there.
I get my stuff together. I have one-for-one scholarship.
I had two schools offer me a full ride. One-for-one.
San Diego State Aztecs and Coach Dennis Erickson. He was at Oregon State.
Man, I... Hey, Joe, I squeezed through the crack.
I got to Oregon State, man. All I needed, Joe, I just needed to be on the big stage just to show them folks I could play football.
That's it. got to Oregon State man I played I was there four months I ain't go to NAND class I ain't go to no classes you already know what it was it's my last shot my singular focus was straight football hey Joe I showed out at Oregon State that little four months I had man I got drafted in the second round despite all my issues with all my troubles, all my off-the-field stuff.
I ain't look better since. They say, well, Shannon, your grades, where the rest of them? I say, these ain't looking too good and the ones that come in tomorrow ain't gonna look much better.
So I don't know what y'all I don't know what y'all hoping for but this is all I got for you. This is it.
This is it. Hey look, my freshman year in college, Ojo, I got a proud 48 so I couldn't play the first semester.
Yeah. As a freshman, I can go to the games.
I gotta sit in the stands. I gotta watch the dudes.
I gotta watch my homies grind out there. You know what I mean? I can't compete.
I'm like, so it

built up a fire in me. So when I did

get eligible, I just took it out on everybody

in the SEC, bro. You know what I mean?

So, yeah.

Sometimes when things get

delayed a little bit, you know,

you can must up some fire to continue.

You can must up some fire that when you get

out there, you can let them know what's up. You know what I mean?

Yes, for sure. That's why when it goes back

to Shadur man

wherever he goes bro I'm sure

he'll be happy and hopefully

he wore that chip man he let him know what's up

you know put

get back in that lab

you're absolutely right

and the funny thing about it too

wherever Shadur come

wherever he goes

I love the saying

Thank you. And the funny thing about it too, wherever Shadour comes, wherever he goes, I love the saying, it's not where you get drafted, it's what you do once you get there.
Absolutely. And I understand the competitor.
I understand the competitor that he is. And wherever he goes, whoever and wherever he goes, if it's a team that doesn't have one of the elite superstar quarterbacks, his competitive nature is going to kick in.
And there's a chance that he can beat those quarterbacks out despite whatever odds or collusion they have against dad. When he gets a chance, he's going to show him.
I know that. Just the competitive in him, he's not going to hold his head.
He's not going to let it down. He just wants that opportunity.
And once they open that door and he close it behind him, after they playing the game they played these past two days, man, child, please. Yeah, like I said, Ocho, I went through something very similar.
And I just remember having a conversation with my brother who came in there that night when I didn't go in the first three rounds, and I said, man, I said, Spank, I went to the East-West Shrine game, I went to the Blue-Gray, I went to the Combine. I said, man, them guys that they drafted ain't better than me.
I said, they not better than me, Spank. I said, I saw them.
I said, all of them. I said, I went to the East-West Shrine game, and I was the best receiver there.
I said, I said, I said, they're not better than me, Spank. I said, I saw them.
I said, all of them. I said, I went to the East West Shrine game, and I was the best receiver there.

I said, all I want is an opportunity.

Give me a helmet and some shoulder pads.

And, hey, whoever comes, hey, I'm going to throw all y'all ass in the water.

Whoever swim back to shore, that's who get it.

Yeah, I like that.

That's it.

Hold on. And what about the reports? What about the reports? Now, this has happened.
Multiple players have done this. He didn't throw at the combine.
Yeah, but he threw at his throw day. At the throw day.
Yeah, there have been a lot of guys that don't throw. Because I want to throw the guys that's familiar with me.
I'm familiar with them. Right.
Because it's not like they're going to bring a guy in. You're not going to bring a guy in on a Sunday and he hadn't thrown to those guys.
So I want to, you know, hey, I want to see how I know how my guys run routes. They know how I throw the ball.
Boom. It's a perfect marriage because I want everybody to look good and possibly, Ocho, there might be some guys, if I don't throw on my pro day, if I don't throw, guess what? Right.
The scouts are not going to come to see them because everybody's not going to be a first or second round pick. might be some guys, if I don't throw on my pro day, if I don't throw, guess what? The scouts are not going to come to see them because everybody's not going to be a first or second round pick.
Might be some guys getting picked up as a free agent. So I want to cast them in a good light.
Yeah. I just look, it's tough and nothing.
When you're going through something, yeah, people are like, you're going to be all right. At that point in time, you ain't really trying to hear that because you can't see all I can see what's in front of me.
It takes a special type of a person to see beyond their circumstances. All I can see is right here.
Not where I wish to be, not where I'm going to be. Because that's why a lot of people make decisions based on where they are currently.
Not where they wish to be. It's tough.
It's tough. And I heard what you said, and you know, and like I said, I heard people say, well, I mean, he's extremely confident, but his game doesn't match the confidence.
Coach Prime, look, and I don't know if anybody that's selected now was even in the NFL or selected or in a position when Prime was there, so I don't know how. I wouldn't, you know.
Guys, I don't want to make this. Teams going to.
Oh, Joe, you and I played this game. We've covered this game, and we've been around this game a long time.
These teams going to do what the hell they want to do. Now, they done told y'all.
Y'all, they going to make them have this guy quarterback or how this guy's a coach. We going to do what the hell we want to do.
They're going to select who they want to select, and they believe that, hey, we believe the guy, and they'll tell you, we believe Dylan Brooks is better than Shadour. We believe Jackson Dart.
We believe Shook. We believe Milrow.
We believe their upside is better than Shadour. How do we prove that it's not?

I mean,

Dylan Gabriel did throw for, had like 150, I mean,

he got what, 16, 17,000 yards?

He got 130, 140

plus touchdowns? I don't

know, but I'm just saying.

It's

I just, I don't know what. chat I'm at a lost um I normally would be able to have give you a good uh give you a good excuse or a good reason I don't like to use the word excuse I would like to give you a reason why I think a person or a player slid uh I have some intel red red flags, even though I won't tell you exactly, but I would, you know, hint around and then I'll let you deduce it for yourself.
Oh, y'all don't got nothing. I don't got nothing that's not about Graves.
He doesn't have a preexisting condition. He doesn't have, oh, the character issue that he has, he's extremely confident.
He believes in himself, which is, I think, one of the most important things you can have as an athlete is confidence to believe in you. Because if you don't believe in you, who the hell else will, Joe? Nobody.
Yeah. You always got to believe in yourself, man, the utmost.
All those days when I was training alone, wasn't nobody there. No coaches saw it.
No other players. I did this.
I believed in me. I believed that I was prepared for something greater.
Even though the circumstances that I was in currently, look, it should tell you something. Yes, his dad gave him great opportunity, great coaches.
He was with Braden. He had a throwing coach, whatever the case may be.
Isn't that what parents supposed to do? Put their kids in the best situation so they can succeed? So why would I, if I had the opportunity to put my kids in a situation that I think will enhance them or help them succeed, nah, I'm not going to do that. I want you to get it out the mud like I did.
What kind of sense does that make? None at all. Listen, you don't need 2020 vision.
Those in the chat, even if you don't like Shadour, those in the chat even if you don't like Prime, if you have common sense and you've been watching and seeing what's going on, you know what it is at this point. You know exactly what it is.
I mean, it doesn't need to be said. Even if you feel the players that have gotten drafted before, if you feel the players that have gotten drafted before Shadour, at the quarterback position, even if you feel they are better, even if you do, you still know what it is.
And if you don't, you're just being purposely, you purposely being naive based on a personal vendetta that you might have against, you know, the Sanders family. This has never, ever, ever, ever, ever been done.
No. Ever been done.
I've never seen it. And people saying, and people saying he's not good and he can't play at the next level.
Like, like, stop, man. Stop.
You know, quarterback is one of the hardest positions to find, which is why some teams haven't had success in eons.

But all of a sudden,

come on now.

Shaduri even got

prank called by someone pretending to be

from an NFL team and said, have to

wait a little longer. Man, whoever did

this, man, y'all some clowns, bro.

Man.

I don't even know why you would do that.

I mean, at that

moment, guys on edge and you're just

hoping that you get a call. I mean, that's

Thank you. I don't even know why you would do that.
At that moment, guys on edge and you're just hoping that you get a call.

I mean, that's the call you're really hoping that you get.

Obviously, you want to get it as early as you possibly can,

but just somebody playing on the phone.

Really, guys?

Come on, man.

Sean Payne says he's very surprised the door hasn't't been drafted yet there'll be this chip on his shoulder there'll be this chip on his shoulder and beware because this guy is gonna play in this league Shadour's in good spirit except they're not getting drafted in day two God don't make mistakes I got faith in God no matter what yeah check this out. Tyler Shook was Justin Herbert's backup.
He's eight days older than Trevor Lawrence, was a freshman at Oregon with Bo Bo. He turns 26 when the season starts, and he's had three seasons that ended in injury.
So now you talk about, what y'all remember, I said, does he have an injury history? Does he have red flags that we don't know about? Right. Here's a guy that's about to be 26, had seasons in three different occasions with an injury.

All that's right.

All I'm saying, y'all chat, take and do with that whatever you like.

I think it's right.

I think we have to, Ocho and I, when we talk sports, when we talk,

we have to give you context.

This is okay, this guy went here.

Because I'm trying to explain, well, Shannon,

maybe he has a pre-existing condition.

Maybe there's a character issue off the field. Maybe he has some kind of a problem.
We don't know. But we know one guy is about to be 26.
I don't know about you, Ocho, but when I got drafted, I was 22. I don't even know how old I was.
I was 22. As a matter of fact, I got drafted in April.
I was 21 when I got drafted. I turned 22 in June.
This guy's about to turn 26. It's there's nothing we can do.
We can just talk about it and then Hope Shador makes the best of it. Joe, let me ask you this.
What do you think, what's the equivalent of something like this happening in the NBA? Do you know a player that was rated extremely high and not only did he fall out of the, supposed to be a lottery pick, maybe a top five lottery pick, slid all the way out of the first round, slid all the way out of the second round because they only have two rounds in the NBA and ended up having to become an NBA free agent.

The one person I can really remember is probably Rashad Lewis,

him sitting in the green room because, you know,

the draft, and I think he was probably the last one in the green room,

and I think he thought he was going lottery,

and I think he ended up going in the second round.

Okay.

Yeah, that's tough, bro.

Like, I couldn't imagine that. Like, it's already anxiety, you know, from being in there.
They told me I was going to be a top 10 pick, Uncle Ocho. So I was invited to the green room.
I'm sitting in there, look, even though people done made promises and all that, but I'm like, man, you never know, bro. You know what I mean? But it was definitely a surreal feeling, you know, getting drafted, getting a chance to shake David Stern's hand.
Just a memorable moment for me. And, man, I remember it like it was yesterday, bro.
But, yeah, outside of Rashad, I don't really know nobody who's kind of got left back there like that. But it's got to be a tough feeling.
You know what I mean? And, look, Rashad had a great career from that, bro. He probably still wears that chip on his shoulders to this day.
You're probably right. Yeah.
When you look at, I mean, Thurman Thomas, Thurman Thomas ended up falling asleep. He thought he was going to be a first-round pick.
He goes in the second round. Thurman's in the Hall of Fame.
He won the MVP

in, I think, 91.

So, uh...

Yeah, but

a precipitous fall like this.

I can't recall it.

Never. Ever.