Nightcap Hour 1: Saints in trouble + Shedeur still 4th string?!?!?!

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So, Ocho, let's jump right into it.

Speaker 9 New Orleans.

Speaker 9 Boy, y'all in a heap of trouble. Spencer Rattler.

Speaker 9 So if you just take that

Speaker 9 R and put a D.

Speaker 9 What'd you call that?

Speaker 9 Saints fans. That's what y'all got to look forward to.

Speaker 9 And the preseason open to despite throwing a pick six, rookie Tyler Shook comes off the bench and outplays Rattler.

Speaker 9 If you can believe that, it's kind of like getting bit by a water moccasin or a rattlesnake. It's just how close are you to anti-venom? I mean, both are going to hurt.

Speaker 9 Both are going to

Speaker 9 excruciating pain. Swelling will be immediately, shortness of breath.

Speaker 9 That's what you get with these two quarterbacks. I don't know why they didn't.
I hope Kellen Moore, who's a Super Bowl-winning offensive coordinator, I hope he signed a long, long, long-term deal.

Speaker 9 Like six years,

Speaker 9 because it's going to be a while with those two quarterbacks before they win.

Speaker 9 Safe quarterback at the first preseason game. Rattler was 7 of 11, 53 yards, 0 touchdown, 0 interception, but he did lose a fumble.
Tyler shuck 15 of 22 165 one touchdown one pick six um

Speaker 9 whoo oh

Speaker 9 go ahead oh

Speaker 10 listen i listen while i was watching the game today before the game before the game started i threw out a tweet to saints fans i have a lot of saints fans that follow me on twitter excuse me that followed me on x and the question was

Speaker 10 are you guys optimistic about Spencer Rattler as quarterback number one

Speaker 10 and all the answers were unanimous in saying that they don't believe in him. And there were a few that said, you know what,

Speaker 10 I'm optimistic about him. He can improve in his second year.
So based on the small sample size, we were able to see from Spencer Rattler today, it didn't look promising. But again, it is a preseason.

Speaker 10 It is a preseason. Maybe a little rusty.
First time out against competition outside of yourself. So I want to give him a little grace.
I want to give him a little grace.

Speaker 9 Tyler, but he's not a rookie.

Speaker 10 I know what you mean, Unc. I know what you mean.

Speaker 9 He started real games last year. I would expect him to look a little better

Speaker 9 the second time around in a vanilla-type game plan than a rookie, than say Jackson Dart, say Shador Sanders, say some of these guys, even

Speaker 9 Shook. Okay, if Shook's going to struggle, okay, I get that.
He's a rookie. First time playing in the NFL.
Not a guy that started games in the NFL to play that.

Speaker 10 I mean, listen, it looked rough, but last year, watching Spencer Rattler, he played bad at times, but at times times he showed flashes of what he can do.

Speaker 10 What we have to find, he has to find that happy medium, that keel of balance, of consistency, where it doesn't drop below the bar. The standard has to be the standard of consistency.

Speaker 10 He hadn't found that yet. Obviously, I'm not going to panic.
I'm not saying I'm a Saints fan, but just for his sake, I think quarterback number one is Spencer Radler.

Speaker 10 I don't see a rookie beating him out. Obviously, it looked good.
Tyler, how do you say pronounce his last name?

Speaker 10 Tyler Shuck. Obviously, probably going against the threes and the four.
Once he did get into the game, you would look a certain way. You would look a little better in that manner.

Speaker 10 But I think Spencer Rattler is the answer for them. And

Speaker 10 it's unfortunate. But again, it's a small sample size.
I wouldn't panic right now, being that everything is so vanilla. But the fact that it is vanilla, you should look to par.

Speaker 10 You should look to par with it being your

Speaker 10 second year.

Speaker 9 Second year. Yeah.

Speaker 9 I think the thing is, was

Speaker 9 for me, Spencer Rattler's style of play will eventually get him cut and a coach fired.

Speaker 9 That's what happens when you're not consistent at that position. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Because that position gets coaches fired quicker than anything, gets general managers terminated quicker than anything.

Speaker 9 Now, they felt comfortable enough. They're like, okay, we're going to wait till the, I think they got shook in the second round, second or third round.
They're like, we like Spencer Rattler.

Speaker 9 We like him.

Speaker 9 He was a highly sought after guy, went to the University of Oklahoma.

Speaker 9 And then Caleb Williams came. He transfers, goes to the University of South Carolina.
So he has some arm talent, but he's just a little inconsistent for my taste.

Speaker 9 And it's hard to win when you don't get consistency out of that position. Because eventually it will get him cut and it'll get the coach fired.

Speaker 9 Because Richard Smith used to tell us all the time, he says, that type of play will get you cut and get me fired. Yeah.

Speaker 9 I can't get any better because all I can do is just give you what you should be doing. It's incumbent upon you.
He's kind of, you know, loose with the ball.

Speaker 9 It is easily knocked out of his hands. He turns it over.
But this is what the Saints, he look.

Speaker 9 What happened was, is that when you have quarterbacks like Breeze and you have quarterbacks like Manning and you have quarterbacks like Brady, you don't want to waste the guy.

Speaker 9 So you picking guys in the fourth or fifth round and you're letting them sit with no chance of getting, you know, not doing anything. And so when those guys move on, now you got to rush.

Speaker 9 They tried Jameis. Jameis tears his knee.

Speaker 9 They tried Taysom Hill, but I never thought Taysom Hill was a quarterback. He was very good in the role that he was in as a jack.
He'll play a little quarterback. He'll look at fullback.

Speaker 9 He could play some tight end. He's good on special teams.
He's a jack, do a lot of a multitude of

Speaker 9 but I didn't think he was a specialist or a great quarterback. So I never thought that experiment was going to work.

Speaker 9 I think Jameis could have been good, but Jameis tore his knee, and then they kind of moved, they kind of moved on from Jameis.

Speaker 9 The way I look at it, I think defensively, they might be a little, you know, they might be a little better. They're starting to get a little older.
Honey Badger retired.

Speaker 9 Jordan, Cam Jordan.

Speaker 9 I think he's going into what, it's his 15th season. He was in that 2011 class with Von Miller and J.J.
Watt, all those guys. But

Speaker 9 in that division, you got to get him better because Tampa, Tampa's gotten better. I think Atlanta's gotten better.

Speaker 9 And so

Speaker 9 I just don't believe that the quarterback that the Saints want or need that can get them to where they want to be, a consistent team, you know, a team that wins consistently, that can get to the playoffs and maybe win a game or two in the playoffs, I don't believe that quarterback is on their roster.

Speaker 10 I don't think so either. I think heavily, I think for the sake of Spencer Rattler, I think the fact that he has Alvin Kamara to take some of the pressure off of him, you have Rashid Shaheed.

Speaker 10 You have Chris Olave. I'm not sure who the number three will be there, obviously, but I think his job will be a little easier because of the talent he has around him.

Speaker 10 Chris Olave is a very, very good receiver. Rashid Shahid is a burner.
He's a very, very good receiver.

Speaker 10 Now, it's going to be Kellen Moore to put those players in positions to be able to make sure Spencer Rattler doesn't get him fired. You know,

Speaker 10 there's one thing you can do is when you have a quarterback as bad as them based on their play, you have to find a way to hide their weakness. You have to find a way to hide their weaknesses.

Speaker 10 And it's easy to do when you have players of that magnitude. Alvin Kamara is still one of the best in NFL, despite.

Speaker 9 I'm just not going to let Kamara beat me. I'm going to make Spencer Rattler throw football.

Speaker 10 But listen, that's the thing.

Speaker 10 If you're going to go into games saying, you know what, I'm going to make Spencer Rattler beat me, I like your chances with Chris Olave and Rashid Shahid. I like it.

Speaker 10 I like it. it

Speaker 9 what was their record last year

Speaker 10 oh oh but hey you know who the number three is

Speaker 10 brandon cooks

Speaker 9 come on now

Speaker 10 come on now

Speaker 9 i don't think he's the bra he's not the brandon cook that was first in new orleans or the brandon cooks that was in new england or even the brandon cooks that was at the rams i mean think oh cho damn he's been like

Speaker 9 four teams in the last four years

Speaker 10 He can still run. He can still.

Speaker 9 Oh, he can still run. He can still.

Speaker 10 He can still do his thing in the slot. You know, he's easy.
I hate using the word serviceable,

Speaker 10 but you can put him in position to make plays.

Speaker 9 Right.

Speaker 10 That's it.

Speaker 9 No, what with their record last year? The Saints.

Speaker 9 I mean, the offensive line, how good is the offensive line going to be to be able to protect him?

Speaker 9 I mean, they gave up five sacks today.

Speaker 9 They were five and 12 last year, Ocho.

Speaker 10 That's tough. That's tough.

Speaker 9 Look,

Speaker 9 everybody's running vanilla. Vanilla offense, vanilla defense, vanilla special teams.
Ain't nobody showing anything. Nobody's trying to put anything on tape that's going to be extraordinary.

Speaker 9 Spencer Rattler, having played, I just expect, it's kind of like a second-year guy. A second-year guy makes mistakes.

Speaker 9 The coaches are going to be harder on him because he's already gone through this the previous year. Bro, You've already, and Spencer Rattler played in real games.

Speaker 9 Sometimes, though, Joe, guys get on the practice squad, they don't get off that, and then they come back and have to go through the thing again.

Speaker 9 But Spencer Rattler has been in meaningful ball games, he's actually played in a regular season and played in regular season games. So, I would expect him to look a little sharper than what he did.

Speaker 9 Now, he was only in, I mean, he only threw seven passes, and so he's probably only in there 14, 15 plays.

Speaker 9 The question is, long term, because that's what that's what we get down down to.

Speaker 9 Because

Speaker 9 Baker Mayfield is Tampa's long-term solution. Atlanta believe

Speaker 9 Pennix Jr. is their long-term solution.
Bryce Carolina believes Bryce Young is their long-term solution.

Speaker 9 The question is, now, based on what they did, now maybe they believe Shuck is going to be able to come in and unseat Spencer Rattler and be their long-term solution.

Speaker 9 But in order to win at this level, at that level, in today's game, you got to get a quarterback. Because you know why, Ocho? Because he's the one position that you cannot hide.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 Well, yeah.

Speaker 9 If I got a weak corner, I roll coverage. If I got a weak safety, I'll keep him out.
I put his ass down in the box. I keep him out of the hole.

Speaker 9 Okay,

Speaker 9 if I got an offensive lineman, I'll slide protection. I'll chip the back.
I'll say, hey, you make sure you chip your way out.

Speaker 9 So I can find ways to protect a weakness if it's something other than a quarterback.

Speaker 9 You can't hide the guy that has the ball every single time. You're right, but

Speaker 10 I like that you said that. For some reason, I'm thinking from an offensive perspective, thinking as myself as a receiver and the quality, the quality of receivers they have, you know, in New Orleans.

Speaker 10 I'm thinking Chris Olave, Rashid Shahid, Brandon Cooks, they're so good. I can't remember the tightest name.
He's a very good service of tighter in this way.

Speaker 10 I can't remember his last name, but I'm thinking that they can be put in positions to be able to hide the weakness that Spencer Rattler may have, whatever it may be.

Speaker 10 That's what I'm thinking. That's my thought process, you know.
And as an officer coordinator, whoever the officer coordinator is, I'm not sure if Kellen.

Speaker 9 Kelly Moore, the head coach. Remember, he's the officer coordinator.

Speaker 10 He's called the plays, too.

Speaker 10 Oh, man. Listen, man.
Listen, I don't want to lose my job. So what do I need to do?

Speaker 10 I need to use those around me. I need to use those weapons, put them in advantageous positions because my quarterback is not as good as i'd like

Speaker 9 right juwan johnson and taysom hill are the tight ends jawan johnson hey he nice

Speaker 9 a young young young young young fella be making play yeah he's more he's he's he's he's he's more of an f um more of the h-back type got you know got receiving skills got a uh uh

Speaker 9 more of a move tight end taysome hill the same thing you can do a lot of different things with taysom hill You can put him at fullback. You can, A, you bring him in and run the tush-push with him.

Speaker 9 You know, you can throw him the football. You can do a lot of things with him.
And Kelly Moore has a very creative mind,

Speaker 9 but you've got to get consistent play from the quarterback position because it's the one position you can't hide. Eventually, I'll figure you out and

Speaker 9 I'll make him beat me.

Speaker 9 I'll make him beat me.

Speaker 9 And I'll see if he can do it.

Speaker 10 Hey, that's tough. That's tough.

Speaker 9 Yeah, it is.

Speaker 10 The fact that i asked that question and and 90 of the saints fans were like yeah it's going to be a long year uh we might win four games hey we won five last year we still haven't we still haven't addressed the position that is the most important that we do need and obviously it took tyler shuck and what second round

Speaker 9 i think they took him in it took him in the second round no it might have been 40th overall

Speaker 9 40th overall

Speaker 10 so i'm assuming i'm not sure what they saw on film from him as opposed to what we saw on film from 12. But listen, that conversation is like beating a dead horse.
They saw what they saw.

Speaker 10 I'm not sure what the scouts were and felt he was.

Speaker 10 So

Speaker 10 maybe he is. Maybe he is.
We'll find out.

Speaker 10 Yep.

Speaker 9 The Dolphins rookie Quinn Ewers struggled in his preseason debut. He was 4 of 16, 63 yards, zero touchdowns, zero interceptions, two sacks, two loss fumbles.
Ewers

Speaker 9 afternoon did not do anything to create a possible position battle between himself and Zach Wilson, who went five for nine as the primary backup, OJO, because Wilson was five of nine for 96 yards.

Speaker 9 When we go back and look at Ojo, which rookie impressed you the most this weekend? Shadur

Speaker 9 Sanders was 14 of 23, 138, two touchdowns on the road. Cam Ward, five of eight, 67 yards.
Jackson Dart, 12 of 19, 154, one touchdown. Jalen Millro, 6 of 10, 61 yards.

Speaker 9 Tyler Shook, 15 of 22, 165, one touchdown, one inception. Cam Miller, 76 of 7.

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Speaker 9 76 yards of a touchdown.

Speaker 10 I mean, listen, everything we saw from the rookies, you know,

Speaker 10 this past weekend, obviously the one that impressed me the most is the one that had the most time, had the most time to be on the field, and that was Shadur. Obviously, he impressed me the most.

Speaker 10 what we saw from cam can cam ward in such a short amount of time he looked good he was wheeling and dealing looked very comfortable at the quarterback position and outside of that everyone was fair everyone was fair and in no scenario in no scenario did i would did i did i think that ken urs would beat zach wilson out of the out of out of his job i didn't think that i know zach is probably going to be quarterback number two and if things aren't going well and and and tour gets hurt I think Zach Wilson would be able to come in and make the plays necessary based on what we saw from him at the Jets.

Speaker 10 Always running for his life with that O-line, which is the same thing that happened to Aaron Rodgers. I think he will be fine.

Speaker 10 The other quarterbacks, Tyler Shuck, eh, it was nice. But again, you're going against three and four.
Is that really a tail tall?

Speaker 10 How my grandma said?

Speaker 10 A tail tall.

Speaker 9 Is that a tail tall? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 10 Based on what you're going to get. Again,

Speaker 10 it's such a small sample size from everybody and what we're doing. It really doesn't say much until the bullets are flying for real.

Speaker 10 when the bullets are flying for real and teams are scheming and they're game planning now that's a whole different ball game

Speaker 9 i thought jackson dart looked good yeah i thought

Speaker 9 he pushed the ball

Speaker 9 yeah he pushed the ball down the field uh jalen murrow fat flash potential you know he has a big time arm ojo he has incredible legs uh he just got to get a little better with his consistency and touch um things that you can work on but i agree with you i think the thing is that we wanted because but all these other guys have gotten major reps.

Speaker 9 You gotta realize Shadura didn't get major reps.

Speaker 9 So now,

Speaker 9 but the mental reps that he was taking in the game was able to help him process and do the things necessary in order for him to have the type of performance that he had.

Speaker 9 Now, I'm hoping this week, they play probably at home, he gets an opportunity to consolidate that.

Speaker 9 You know, in tennis, when you break a serve, they say, Let's see, can you consolidate it when you break something when you know when you hold your own serve so you consolidate it let's see if he can consolidate that what he did on friday night what he was another performance on what he can do you know when they play thursday or friday ash

Speaker 9 so if he can consolidate that i think you know cleveland can look and says okay i think we have a guy that has the right mental makeup Because you have to be incredibly strong-minded in order to play that position on the show.

Speaker 10 Funny thing about it, I'm glad you said that. They play against Thursday, you said, right?

Speaker 10 They play Saturday. They play Saturday.
Now,

Speaker 10 what happens? I'm curious to see how Stefansky and

Speaker 10 they work

Speaker 10 the players back in. So when Kenny Pickett is healthy, when Dylan Gabriel is able, Dylan Gabriel is healthy, what do they do then at that point?

Speaker 10 Does Shadur go back down to number four when they're back healthy? How does it work?

Speaker 9 Ask yourself. What we just talked about, Ocho, we talked about this.

Speaker 9 When Dylan Gabriel was in, at any point in time in training camp, did he look as good as you look, do, or look Friday night? At any point in time, it's a simple yes or simple no?

Speaker 10 I don't, I don't think so.

Speaker 9 And before Kenny Pickett got hurt, at any point in time, did he look as good in

Speaker 9 camp or you know, mini camps, OTAs, joint practices? If he made it that far, because he seemed like he got nicked really soon, did he look that good? I doubt it.

Speaker 9 So

Speaker 10 it's tough, but

Speaker 10 listen, they've been playing games, right?

Speaker 10 They've been playing games, the political games. You know what I'm talking about.
I don't need to address it. They're living in a room.
You can see it clear as day.

Speaker 10 So I'm just saying, are they going to play games? But we're going to find out. I think I'm going to see if there's still going to be some funny business, even despite the way he played.

Speaker 10 Are they still going to play that political game?

Speaker 10 I'm curious. I'm just curious to see.
Now, if they do play Saturday, now let's see what happens. Is Dylan Gabriel going to be healthy? Is Kenny Pickett going going to be healthy?

Speaker 10 Are they going to get the chance to prove themselves?

Speaker 10 I'm just, I'm really curious what's going to happen Saturday.

Speaker 9 Oh,

Speaker 9 NFL insider says Shadura Sanders still stands behind Dylan Gabriel for the Browns coaches.

Speaker 9 Gabriel is ahead of Sanders in the eye of the coaching staff, but rarely in training camp has that position matched what we've seen on the field.

Speaker 9 The quarterback situation remains the story of camp, and Shadur Sanders is settling in to lead three scoring drives in the most extended action of the summer won't make the team's consistent stance that sanders is fourth in a line any less perplexing no reasonable person thinks sanders will be fully ready to lead a team and consistently attack a complicated defense three weeks from now he's shown enough talent and growth however to make anyone believe he should be on the team and have a chance to develop into a starting starting quality player sanders is talented His throw out of the end zone to wide receiver Greg Labardin in the preseason opener and his floater down the sideline to receiver Luke Floria later are proof.

Speaker 9 Until we see Sanders get practice reps with the number one offense, we can't believe the Browns view him as having much of a shot to be the number two when the season began.

Speaker 9 I agree with what they're saying. But that's my point is,

Speaker 9 okay, you're saying,

Speaker 9 have we seen enough have you seen enough of dylan what have you seen from dylan gabriel to make you think he can be number two

Speaker 10 did you hear did you who the excuse me who wrote that

Speaker 10 the browns athletic insider browns athletic insider right so you see shadour do what he does Three quarters of football.

Speaker 9 Yes.

Speaker 10 Three, I think maybe, maybe he played well into the fourth quarter, right?

Speaker 10 So in a live game, you saw him play the way he played and still question if he can do the same thing when he has the actual starters at his disposal.

Speaker 10 I'm confused.

Speaker 9 My thing is, he says no reasonable person thinks Sanders will be fully ready to lead a team and consistently attack a complicated NFL defense three weeks from now. What about Dylan Gabriel?

Speaker 9 Has he shown you enough to make them believe that three weeks from now he can lead this team against a complicated defense?

Speaker 9 I digress even further. Has Kenny Pickett ever shown you

Speaker 9 that he can lead a team against a complicated defense?

Speaker 9 Because all I know is that what I keep hearing is what you're telling me what he can't do. Like my coach just said in college, but hey, well, put it, find something that he can do.

Speaker 9 See, you keep telling me what should do or can't do. Well, your job as a coach is to put players in position and find something that they can do.

Speaker 10 But where's the can't coming from when we just saw him do it? I know it's a small sample size. It's three quarters of football, but everything you said he can't do, he just did.

Speaker 10 Matter of fact, he just did what we already saw him do at Jackson State. He just did what we saw him do at Colorado.

Speaker 10 We just did, even though it's a small sample size. Uncle, I played the game for a very long time.
I played the game for a very long time. I'm a receiver.
I know what it's supposed to look like.

Speaker 10 I know what it looks like when there's a quarterback that's playing in a game and he's confident. He's polished.
His pocket presence, his mannerisms,

Speaker 10 I know what it should look like. We've seen Kenny Pickett with the Steelers.
If he was the answer for Cleveland, he would have been the answer in Pittsburgh. No disrespect to him.

Speaker 9 What's the question you're asking?

Speaker 10 Because

Speaker 9 if Kenny Pickett is the answer, I need to know the question. Did he play for the University of Pittsburgh? Yes.

Speaker 10 I don't know what more.

Speaker 10 I don't know what more. Listen,

Speaker 10 when you fill out your resume, right? When you fill out your resume

Speaker 10 and you're going for that job interview, you want to put your best foot forward. You want to leave.
a lasting impression.

Speaker 10 Well, the last impression is what we saw Friday night from the person they claim is the fourth, is the fourth string quarterback.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Okay. Now, what do we do? We build from that on Saturday.

Speaker 9 Well, you build from that. No, you build from that starting in practice by giving him more reps, more quality reps.

Speaker 9 You don't leave him in the position that he was in where he's getting a handful of reps with the threes and fours. You give him some opportunities with the ones, with the twos.

Speaker 9 I'm not saying he has to take five, six reps with the ones, but I'm saying you sprinkle, maybe you give him one or two reps. Maybe you give him three or four reps with the twos.
I do agree with this.

Speaker 9 Until we see Sanders get practice reps with the number one offense, we can't believe the Browns view him as having much of a shot to be number two when the season begins. True.

Speaker 9 I do agree with that statement. You're not going from four to two.
If you four training camp, then all of a sudden the season starts, you're number two.

Speaker 9 They're going to need to see you with the ones and twos to feel comfortable because they got to make a decision.

Speaker 9 And when you make that decision, you release somebody, ain't no guarantee that you're going to be able to bring them back and put them on your practice square.

Speaker 9 Somebody might sign them and put them on the active roster. So that's the case, Ocho.

Speaker 9 Do I stay on your practice squad for say 25, 30,000, or do I go somewhere and get an opportunity to get a real roster spot and make almost a million dollars a year?

Speaker 9 So that's the question that you have. That's a decision that you make when you release these guys.

Speaker 9 Because I'm sure there are some guys, you know, I would love to have him have another year learning our system. And when we come back next year, having

Speaker 9 the OTAs, the training camp, the season of working scout team stuff, when we come back for OTAs, Ocho, he should be good to go. He should be fully developed and good to go.

Speaker 9 So I don't want people thinking that we're beat Ocho and I'm beating up on Zach Jackson. I agree with what he's saying.

Speaker 9 But my thing, I'm more talking about the Browns

Speaker 9 as an organization, as a coaching staff.

Speaker 9 Are you

Speaker 9 because the fans are saying you want us to believe you or our lying eyes

Speaker 9 i i know i know i know what my eyes i saw i know what i saw i hear what you saying i'm but i see better than i hear

Speaker 9 y'all keep telling us dylan gabriel dylan gabriel but we have yet to see him now everything that i see is that now he's you know she's not better than shador for most of the articles that i've been reading and hey People can write whatever they want to write.

Speaker 9 So

Speaker 9 I don't want to put too much emphasis, but I haven't seen, I haven't read a whole lot that where they said that Dylan Gabriel is better, has been played, has played better or is playing better than she.

Speaker 10 What did I tell you, Uncle? What did I, what did I tell you not too long ago? But how can look?

Speaker 10 I'm not saying no names again this time because I don't want to get nobody in no trouble.

Speaker 10 What did I tell you?

Speaker 10 And then exactly what that individual said who's in there every day that plays on the other side of the ball and has to see it, exactly what he said way back then, we saw it show up.

Speaker 10 The fact that he's not getting first-team reps with the ones or the twos and still went out there and looked the way he did. What does that tell you?

Speaker 9 Anybody with the getting marginal reps to begin with? Damn the ones and twos, Ocho. He barely getting reps at all.

Speaker 10 And then stick.

Speaker 10 Okay, I'll say no more.

Speaker 10 Again,

Speaker 10 say no more.

Speaker 10 So you're not doing him justice in practice, but still showed up in the game and looked apart and looked like that.

Speaker 10 What does that say?

Speaker 10 But we're gonna see Saturday. And I hope Delaney Gabriel gets his opportunity because I would love to see what he does and then what he gives that offense and that coach of staff that believes in him.

Speaker 10 I'm hoping he gets a fair shot. I'm hoping he does.

Speaker 10 I'm hoping he does. I would love to see it.
I would love to see it. I know he's a competitor.
He was great at Oregon. He was really good.

Speaker 10 So

Speaker 10 I'm all for it.

Speaker 9 Yeah, it's

Speaker 9 let the guy like

Speaker 9 it's like when you're in that situation, the guy flashes. Normally, when guys flashes in camp, Ocho, you and I both played the NFL for a long time.
We both played at a high level.

Speaker 9 Every team that I've been on, when a guy flashes in practice, a guy flashes in the game,

Speaker 9 he gets to move up and he gets meaningful reps, more meaningful reps, meaning he's no longer on the third or fourth. They'll sneak some reps in with the twos.

Speaker 9 Maybe they'll give him one or two shots with the ones.

Speaker 9 That's normally how it works. They're not so set in their ways that it's like, oh, we just see this guy as, it's kind of like TD.
I'll give you a prime example. TD was a guy.

Speaker 9 TD was a six-round draft pick. TD was probably like the fifth or the sixth running back.

Speaker 9 But every day he made that play on kickoff and every day you saw TD get a little better. They gave him a little bit more reps.

Speaker 9 And so all of a sudden he goes from six to five, from five to four, four to two.

Speaker 9 After the first game of the season, TD won.

Speaker 9 Normally, that's how it plays out. Guys show you in the game.

Speaker 9 Because when guys flashing practice, Ocho, you're thinking to yourself,

Speaker 9 I wonder if he do that in the game.

Speaker 9 Hell, Coach, put his hands in the game. Let's see what he could do.

Speaker 9 That's normally how it happened. Wade Phillips, our defensive coordinator, that's how I got in the game.
He said, Dan, put his ass in the game. Let's see if they can cover him because we can't.

Speaker 9 Dan's like, okay.

Speaker 9 They put my ass in the game.

Speaker 9 Well, Shadur, I think Shadur showed you something that he deserving. I'm not saying he needs to, you need to implement him as the starter, the number one OTO.
We didn't say that.

Speaker 9 That's not what we're saying. But I think he's shown you enough Friday to say, you know what? We might need to give him some more quality reps with guys that's going to be playing on Sunday.

Speaker 9 And let's see him facing the number one defense, Miles Garrett, those guys over there. But let's give him Jerry Judy.
Let's give him Njoku. Let's see.

Speaker 9 If he can replicate some of that, what he did on Friday, with the ones today.

Speaker 10 That's all we're saying.

Speaker 10 Can I say one more thing?

Speaker 9 Go ahead.

Speaker 10 If you can do what he did without getting the practice reps

Speaker 10 in a game

Speaker 10 without the number ones around him,

Speaker 10 things only get easier when you have the ones at your disposal that are better at the position. Cedric Tillman and Joku,

Speaker 10 Jerry Juke.

Speaker 10 It only becomes easier. on it doesn't get

Speaker 10 it doesn't get more difficult now once you're playing against the team that schemes for you and disguises and and does all the all the stuff you know with a game planning for you okay that's different then you just have to process a little bit faster that's all everything in the isla they line up and they just go

Speaker 9 That's exactly how it is, but Ocho, you get better at something by doing said thing.

Speaker 10 Exactly. You heard what you just said? You get better at something by doing said thing.
But he wasn't doing said thing because he wasn't getting

Speaker 10 and still looked the way he did.

Speaker 9 But they don't view it that way.

Speaker 10 They, that organization, they don't view it that way.

Speaker 10 How? I don't know. I don't know.
But I'm guessing

Speaker 10 in the direction in which they're going, I'm hoping they're right.

Speaker 10 They haven't been right in the 35 quarterback that they tried previously.

Speaker 10 Or maybe I'm wrong.

Speaker 9 No.

Speaker 9 I just think I do believe that he's earned the right

Speaker 9 to get quality reps with the ones and twos.

Speaker 9 I'm not saying that you implement him, that now he's QB1. I'm not saying he's QB2.

Speaker 9 But I think he's earned that opportunity.

Speaker 10 I know one thing.

Speaker 10 I know one thing. They better put a statue of Andrew Berry outside that goddamn stadium.

Speaker 10 Tell you that.

Speaker 10 Listen, I can already foresee how it's going to go.

Speaker 10 I already know how it's going to go.

Speaker 10 I can already see it. They're going to continue to play, continue to play, continue to play, put everybody in front of them, continue to play.

Speaker 10 And then, when his opportunity presents itself, like it did because of injury, he looked a certain way.

Speaker 10 You can't deny it.

Speaker 10 You can't deny it. No matter what you try to do, you can't deny it.

Speaker 10 You can't.

Speaker 9 Oh, Joe,

Speaker 9 and Cleveland doing this. Sometimes a man can make his destiny on the very road he took to avoid it.

Speaker 9 Sometimes you might, they might even have their quarterback, even though they tried to avoid giving him the opportunity.

Speaker 10 Come on, man.

Speaker 9 On the very road you took to avoid it, you found your destiny.

Speaker 9 I just'm not saying I'm general manager. I'm not saying I'm a player personnel director.
I just know that when guys flash,

Speaker 9 go back to Tom Brady. They kept four quarterbacks that year.

Speaker 9 Coach Belichick said that he saw something in Tom that said if he got more of an opportunity, he might be okay. He didn't know he was going to be this.

Speaker 9 Hell, if he knew he was going to be that, somebody would have taken him in the first pick in the draft.

Speaker 9 But he flashed enough.

Speaker 9 Guys, you know, late-round picks, okay.

Speaker 9 Like,

Speaker 9 he showed something. He just, sometimes you just need time.
Sometimes you need more opportunity.

Speaker 9 You know,

Speaker 9 looking at Trey Lance, Trey Lance, like he needed time.

Speaker 9 Time, which the 49ers didn't have. The 49ers are on the clock.
They got to win now with the roster that they have. They're not in rebill.

Speaker 9 Well, the Cleveland, what are, I mean, you just gave a guy $140 million.

Speaker 9 He's under the assumption. Now, he played it both ways.
You know, I want out. Y'all not winning.
Got this money. Hey.

Speaker 9 But

Speaker 9 what are y'all doing? Are y'all in rebuild or you're trying to win? Because y'all see who's in y'all division.

Speaker 10 Quarterbacks.

Speaker 9 Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow. Now, Lamar Jackson is 27, 28.

Speaker 9 He gonna got he got another five to 10 years in Baltimore. Joe Burrow might be a year younger than Lamar.
He's got another five to ten years in Cincinnati.

Speaker 9 Well, while y'all playing musical chairs with quarterbacks,

Speaker 9 they've identified their guy and he's going to be there for almost a decade.

Speaker 9 You're not beating a team that has an established quarterback playing musical chairs with quarterbacks. No.

Speaker 10 Uh-uh. Not at all.

Speaker 10 Not at all. Listen, I mean,

Speaker 10 it's exciting. It's exciting.
And listen, even as a Bengal fan, as a Bengal player at heart,

Speaker 10 it's enjoyable to be talking about the Brown.

Speaker 10 It's enjoyable, huh?

Speaker 10 It's exciting.

Speaker 10 It's exciting for Brown fans. I mean, when's the last time you had a player of this magnitude who's a rookie that has you guys in the national spotlight like this?

Speaker 9 Right.

Speaker 10 At all times.

Speaker 9 Basically, yeah, you got to go back to Johnny football.

Speaker 10 Oh, hey, boy, Johnny. Boy, Johnny was special, boy.

Speaker 10 And at the Texas NM, Johnny was special, boy. He was special.

Speaker 9 So it's,

Speaker 9 we'll see. It'll be interesting to see when they go out to practice today.
I mean, excuse me, today. Tomorrow,

Speaker 9 what comes back? What type of reps did Shadur get? Did he get ref with the ones?

Speaker 9 Did he get a rep or two two with the ones did he get anything with the twos or was he back relegated to being the fourth quarterback and getting one rep with the with the fours or no reps or just getting side work

Speaker 9 that's going to be the tell that that's going to tell us ocho

Speaker 9 because what they talking and and and what's actually happening We'll find out. We'll find out.
And we'll see

Speaker 9 how they play this thing out on Saturday when they play the game.

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Speaker 9 Teams are reportedly monitoring Tyreek for potential trade. According to ESPN's Jeremy Fowler, I've talked to a few teams who are at least monitoring his future a little bit.

Speaker 9 Could he be a potential trade target now? I know Dolphins earlier this summer were telling teams, no, we're not trading Tyreek Hill, but they just wonder, is he going to be available?

Speaker 9 It could be wishful thinking. Maybe they want him to be available, but he's a player when I bring up to teams, hey,

Speaker 9 what sort of a trade target you're watching? They bring up Tyreek Hill. So we'll see.
He's a big option for Tua, and they would be a major move if they did move away or move away from him.

Speaker 10 Oh, Joe.

Speaker 9 Are they?

Speaker 9 Will they?

Speaker 9 Should they?

Speaker 9 Your hometown team you grew up watching trade Tyree City?

Speaker 10 Absolutely not.

Speaker 10 Absolutely not. You want a chance to compete in the AFC East against the Buffalo Bills? You want a chance.
You take away one of the most dynamic weapons in the NFL?

Speaker 10 Are you serious? I love HN.

Speaker 10 I love Waddle. They have some great.

Speaker 9 Waddle got nicked in Friday's practice, so he didn't play today.

Speaker 10 They have some great receivers also on that squad, but we talk about one of the greatest receivers they ever played,

Speaker 10 who is still very viable and one of the best in the game. Top five.
I don't care about that goddamn downseason. Come on, now.

Speaker 10 The fastest steel in the NFL. We talk about trading them.

Speaker 10 That makes no sense. Logically, if you're serious about winning,

Speaker 10 I need all hands on deck. The best weapons I can have.
Tua has that. Regardless of their issues personally, listen, I'm not there to like you.

Speaker 10 Everybody's not going to get along.

Speaker 10 We come into camp with one goal, one goal in mind, to win games and hopefully compete for them Lombardi in San Francisco. This ain't no goddamn kumbaya moment.

Speaker 10 What are we talking about? You want your best players on your team offensively and defensively, so you can go out there and compete on Sundays at one o'clock.

Speaker 10 You don't trade them away.

Speaker 10 not when they're still this good.

Speaker 10 What sense does that make?

Speaker 9 I think a lot is predicated on Tour's health.

Speaker 9 He gets mixed again, they're gonna move on.

Speaker 10 How they just paid him last year,

Speaker 10 Tyrene. If Tour gets hurt, they're gonna, oh, okay.
You think so?

Speaker 10 Wait a minute, wait, whoa, wait a minute, Uncle, slow down. Wait, slow, come on, man.

Speaker 2 Wait a minute.

Speaker 10 Help me understand that. Because if Tuva gets hurt, right, wait, stay with me real quick.
If Tuva gets hurt,

Speaker 10 Zach Wilson comes in. Why would you take that weapon away from Zach Wilson? Who is also a serviceable quarterback?

Speaker 9 I don't want him to hurt himself.

Speaker 9 You know,

Speaker 9 with loaded weapons in the house, you got to be careful with kids that don't know how to handle them.

Speaker 9 Zach Wilson don't know what to do with that.

Speaker 9 and here's the thing oh Joe when people name keeps coming up as trade target somebody talking

Speaker 9 he said that Jeremy Fowler just said that basically every time he reached out for a name who should he be monitoring why everybody keep reaching in Tyreek Hill's name

Speaker 9 you know why

Speaker 9 They they he had a down year.

Speaker 9 They didn't appreciate how he handled the end of the year, which I told you they were going to be unhappy with that.

Speaker 9 Because what he got on his chest, Ocho, he got that capital.

Speaker 9 You do things a little different than a normal person.

Speaker 9 So even when you don't feel like it, Ocho, sometimes you got to suck it up like, hey, man, man, man, we ain't got no chance, man. We down 31 to nothing at the start of the fourth.
You can't come out.

Speaker 9 You got to go down with the ship. They didn't like how he handled that.
There are some other things that

Speaker 9 was going on. They didn't like how he, oh, Cho, he got off to a bad start.
Remember the first game of the season? The police, you know, he's coming through the state, you coming into the stadium.

Speaker 9 Air, you know, got Khalil Campbell in handcuffs. They got John Lewis Smith.
You know, it's just like,

Speaker 9 is this too much?

Speaker 9 And so

Speaker 9 I do believe

Speaker 9 the Dolphins had mentioned that, had potentially dangled him out there.

Speaker 10 Listen, you could dangle all you want.

Speaker 10 You could dangle him like his mistletoe. You hear me? And somebody will come along

Speaker 10 one of the top five threats in the NFL from

Speaker 10 offensive weapons.

Speaker 10 That's a dream come true, allowing him to be available.

Speaker 10 What do we talk about? Talk about a team that's on the verge of you know what if we can add this to our offense that gives us another weapon that gives another chance to get that much better

Speaker 10 man come on man please please i can understand if he is slowed down or he's not the same tyreek he used to be man i just watched young bull run 10 goddamn one he ain't even no track runner

Speaker 10 he's a football player

Speaker 10 Someone that is fast as he is, that is dynamic as he is on the field on Sundays, even when he loses step and when he's 35 he's still fast than everybody else but you know what we're gonna dangle him out there for trade talks huh

Speaker 10 he makes our offense that much easier

Speaker 10 he makes it easier for waddle he makes it easy for tour he makes it easy for egg chain

Speaker 10 why because they always got to have somebody on the top of that young bull. Always.

Speaker 10 He opens up all the way.

Speaker 9 You've got to convince me.

Speaker 10 I know what he is huh this is what we want to trade away come on man stop playing

Speaker 10 we want a chance to be able to beat the bills

Speaker 10 we want to who gives us our best chance to beat the bills well maybe just

Speaker 10 the most dynamic receiver of all time in the history of the game that happens to be on our team hell we can't even beat josh allen now we talk about trading away what man stop playing

Speaker 10 What are we talking about?

Speaker 10 Maybe, maybe, maybe the talks or maybe this will get him to get in line. Maybe this will get him to stop some of the shenanigans he's doing, you know, take away his personality.
Why would you do that?

Speaker 10 Don't take away what makes him him.

Speaker 10 I don't know.

Speaker 10 I don't know. Anytime there are talks like that, Unc, you know, it comes from somewhere.
I know that comes from somewhere. Most of the time, it comes from in the house.

Speaker 10 The call is always coming from in the house.

Speaker 9 Jeremy said, but he's a player when I bring up to teams, hey, who is sort of of a trade target you're watching they bring up tyreek hill

Speaker 9 so no matter the team when he's like man who you're watching who you think might get traded

Speaker 10 everybody thinking the same thing hold on now if we talk about getting traded what we waiting on

Speaker 10 what are we waiting on

Speaker 10 what are we waiting on why are we waiting for the season to start the trading if that was the point Hey, you could have gotten you could have gotten rid of him last year in the offseason during the draft.

Speaker 10 The season get ready to start. Now, he's been through training camp playing.
Well, he's not playing the preseason games. You could let him go already.

Speaker 10 So, what's the point of the conversation being brought up before the season even starts? That makes no sense.

Speaker 9 You know, there have been some trade deadlines. I mean, some guys right at the trade deadline get moved.

Speaker 10 I'll tell you one thing:

Speaker 10 the right team is gonna get him.

Speaker 10 Hell, I wouldn't be surprised he ended up back in Kansas City.

Speaker 10 Yeah, don't be surprised.

Speaker 10 You see what they got.

Speaker 10 Tyree,

Speaker 10 Rashid Rice. Rashid Rice.
And

Speaker 10 what's my dog name?

Speaker 10 What's with Arizona, man?

Speaker 9 Oh, Hollywood. You talking about Hollywood?

Speaker 10 Come on, man. Stop playing.
Yeah,

Speaker 10 play around if you want to.

Speaker 10 You think Mahomes won't be up there?

Speaker 10 Mr. Reed.

Speaker 10 Mr. Hunt, man, go on and get 10 and bring them on back over here.

Speaker 10 Yeah, okay. And Kelsey.

Speaker 10 But y'all want to play.

Speaker 9 They got Robert Tanya, too.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 9 He was really good at Green Bay until he hurt his knee.

Speaker 10 Hollywood Brown probably come on down. You know, Brown, he's from the crib.
I can see that trade. I'm just throwing this out there hypothetically.
Oh, you want to trade? Okay, yeah.

Speaker 10 We're sending Hollywood Brown down to Miami. So we're going to exchange speed for speed.

Speaker 9 That's a, I mean, Hollywood ain't making the kind of money. Tyreek is 30 million.
Hollywood Brown might be making five, six.

Speaker 9 Dolphin general manager Chris Greer said in April before the draft that he had no intentions of dealing Tyreek, but an offer including two first-round picks would be enticing.

Speaker 9 Nobody's going to give up that.

Speaker 9 Nobody's going to give up no two first-round picks with no receiver. And

Speaker 9 got to pay. No.

Speaker 9 No.

Speaker 9 Now,

Speaker 9 maybe a

Speaker 9 second, maybe a second,

Speaker 9 maybe a third and a fifth.

Speaker 9 How old'Tyreek? 30? 31?

Speaker 10 Is Tyreek a player we can use and worry about the age factor?

Speaker 9 I don't, but teens do.

Speaker 9 Oh, Joe, you know,

Speaker 9 they put expiration dates on everything.

Speaker 10 They can do that. But this expiration, listen, the expiration date on that one is a little different than everybody else.

Speaker 9 I know.

Speaker 10 Play stupid games. You can win stupid prizes.

Speaker 9 I just don't believe he's going for two first-round picks. I think if they made, I believe, had they made it more palatable, I believe they'd have traded him this offseason.
If they'd have like, okay.

Speaker 10 That would have made more sense. Either the offseason.

Speaker 9 the draft. Yes.

Speaker 10 What do we talk about? Now we pick it up before the season starts.

Speaker 9 Huh?

Speaker 9 I mean, Devontae went for two first rounders, what, four years ago?

Speaker 9 But how old was Devontae? Devontae was, what, 27 then?

Speaker 9 So

Speaker 9 it's going to be extremely interesting.

Speaker 9 He was 28 at the time? He's 32. He's 32.
Okay.

Speaker 9 Nah,

Speaker 9 only a quarterback 31 can go for two first rounders.

Speaker 9 You'll trade two first rounders for Lamar. You'll trade two first rounders for Mahomes.
Hell, you give up three first rounders for those. Josh Allen,

Speaker 9 Joe Burke. There are certain guys.

Speaker 9 And I don't think any of those guys, I think Mahomes will be 30 his birthday, right?

Speaker 9 But I don't think any of those guys are 30 currently.

Speaker 9 But

Speaker 9 it's going to be very interesting to see how this season starts.

Speaker 9 Because a lot of times it's how to see how's the season going ojo we ain't got no chance for the playoffs we got no chance for the playoffs let's go ahead and get some draft capital ocho let's go ahead and get this 30 31 30 31 million dollar uh

Speaker 9 yes

Speaker 10 okay i i mean i like it from from from that standpoint i understand it

Speaker 9 they oh that's how they think

Speaker 10 oh i know that i know i know the i know the business side of it because if you're not using the 31 31 million dollar receiver the the right way, you pay him 31 for a reason,

Speaker 10 not using him in the manner in which he's making 31 for a reason. Well, that's on you,

Speaker 10 that's on you.

Speaker 9 Oh, Joe, the Chargers have Justin Herbert doing running back drills. You've got to check out this video, courtesy of Nate Gonzi.
God see God's me.

Speaker 10 I like it.

Speaker 9 That's something

Speaker 9 Jim Harbaugh put together.

Speaker 9 Because

Speaker 9 that's something he would do.

Speaker 10 Have you been out there doing running back drills?

Speaker 9 Yeah, going through the gauntlet.

Speaker 10 Having a little...

Speaker 9 I mean, you know, sometimes, you know,

Speaker 9 you come through Ocho, you know,

Speaker 9 you're working on your grip. They're going to tug.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 9 But normally they don't have the guy getting up off the ground like the running, but like a running back would, like a running back would.

Speaker 9 Damn, now you got,

Speaker 9 but that's the only thing. I mean, the guys, the guy, you know, guys tug.
You know, you get the ball. You're not used to carrying the football.
They go, hey, he's making sure you keep it secure.

Speaker 9 But like I said, I mean, normally they do it a different way than that, but hey, Jim has his way of doing things and it's kind of served him well because he's one and it didn't take him long to start winning once he got there.

Speaker 9 So I don't have any problems.

Speaker 10 You got me hot, man. You got me hot, man.
I'm just sitting here thinking about it.

Speaker 9 What you hot for?

Speaker 10 We talk about trading Tyreek, man. That's almost as ridiculous as saying, you know what?

Speaker 9 They traded Randy Moss. They traded Terrell Owens.

Speaker 9 They traded James Lofton. So now I'm going to ask you again.
Now you tell me which one of those three guys Tyreek is better than right now.

Speaker 9 They cut Jerry Rice. Now you tell me which one of the four guys I name Tyreek's better than.

Speaker 10 I'm still mad.

Speaker 10 I'm still mad, and I have every right to be mad because I'm thinking about my dolphins. I'm thinking about my dolphins.

Speaker 10 Listen, in us, in us having a chance for those that say, oh, you a bangle, blah, blah, blah. Listen, I'm from Miami, Florida.
I was born at Jackson Memorial Hospital.

Speaker 10 I was born at Jackson Memorial Hospital right near Overtown at 308 on January 9th, 1968. Therefore, I grew up watching the Dolphins, Dan Marino, Zonka, Mark Duper.

Speaker 10 So, therefore, that is where my love and passion and enthusiasm being a Dolphin fan comes from.

Speaker 10 So, the fact that

Speaker 10 he gives us our best chance to compete offensively in the ASEs against an animal that they have down there in Buffalo, New York, by the name of Josh Allen.

Speaker 9 Up there, but yeah, we know you're going.

Speaker 10 Come on, man.

Speaker 10 What are we talking about? Are we even trying?

Speaker 9 I mean, down there, he'd be playing in Cuba.

Speaker 9 I said, if he was down, he'd be in cuba

Speaker 9 but you didn't ask my question though ojo i asked you i gave you some names i said they cut jerry they traded randy they traded james loftin they traded to i just gave you four names i said now which one to better then

Speaker 9 which one better they cut jerry yeah

Speaker 10 you're right um fanches have been

Speaker 10 repeat what i just said ojo you said they cut randy they cut too they

Speaker 9 they traded they traded randy first.

Speaker 9 Remember, they traded Randy to Oakland. Oakland traded him to

Speaker 9 New England.

Speaker 9 New England traded him back to Minnesota.

Speaker 9 Minnesota, I think Minnesota released him and he went to Tennessee.

Speaker 9 And then he ended up in, then he ended up

Speaker 9 with the 49ers.

Speaker 10 Damn, man. I just don't say it's icky business, huh?

Speaker 10 Golly, just just think, just thinking about that, man.

Speaker 9 I mean, well, if you think about it, T.O., T.O. was a free agent

Speaker 9 and there was some mix up with the paper because he was supposed to go to Baltimore. Oh, no.

Speaker 10 He wasn't going to Baltimore. Oh, no.
I remember that. I remember that conversation.
Oh, he wasn't going to Baltimore. Absolutely.

Speaker 9 Well, I mean, his name was kind of on the contract, but that's neither here nor there.

Speaker 9 We'll move on to that. And then he goes to Philly.
We saw what happened to Philly.

Speaker 9 Philly released him. He goes to Dallas.
He got released to Dallas. So we're talking about, bro,

Speaker 9 Cowboy, you know, the Cowboys released Emmett, right? Yeah, they did, huh?

Speaker 10 Hey, it's the nature of the business.

Speaker 10 It's grimy. That's why you got to get as much as you can while you're in it.

Speaker 9 Yes,

Speaker 9 you get no qualms from your boy.

Speaker 9 Because

Speaker 9 we both have been on the ends and we know how this thing works.

Speaker 9 When you play a professional sport,

Speaker 9 money and memories, you try to gather as much of both as you can

Speaker 10 because it's going to eat at some point. It's a small window of your life.

Speaker 10 The NFL, it stands not for long because it's a small opportunity, and the years go by so fast, huh? You look up, you'd be like, well, god damn, I mean, you're seven already.

Speaker 10 Yeah,

Speaker 10 yes, yep, That's why you got to protect your chicken. But the fun.
But at that ride, man, it goes by so fast like a roller coaster. And you don't even realize it.

Speaker 10 Yep.

Speaker 9 Pete Carroll was asked today about Geno Smith's obscene gesture as he defended his quarterback. He said, Did you see the sign? Did you see what the sign said? Next question.

Speaker 9 Well, we know what the sign said. Bigger bus, Geno or Jamarcus Russell.

Speaker 9 Was Geno and Max Crosby overreacting.

Speaker 10 Hey, I mean, eh.

Speaker 10 I wouldn't.

Speaker 10 That's a tough one. I wouldn't say overreacted.
Boom, you're talking trash to me. You got a sign right in my face.
All I've done for you. I'm back here in Seattle, and that's what you think of me.

Speaker 10 I laid my life on the line as your quarterback number one for a couple of years. You know, things didn't work out, and that's how you think of me.
I'm coming back.

Speaker 10 I'm coming back with grace i love you i did everything i could for you as a seahawk and that's how you feel now you feel i'm a bus what are we talking about

Speaker 10 huh if anything you should be applauding me

Speaker 10 clap for me

Speaker 10 i know as a quarterback number one you hold me to a standard as is is is in comparison to some of the greats i wasn't tom brady i wasn't peyton manning but i done all i could and laid it on the line for you week in and week out 12

Speaker 9 Well, look,

Speaker 9 it's not even close to being true. Now, if Geno Smith was Ryan Leaf,

Speaker 9 we have a conversation about him or Geno, I mean him or Jamarcus.

Speaker 10 Don't do that as a fan. Like, come on, man.
That's not.

Speaker 9 Geno was comeback player of the year. He threw a career high 30 touchdown, lead the league in completion percentage, and earned back-to-back Pro Bowls.

Speaker 9 So by no stretch of the imagination, is Geno Smith a bust?

Speaker 10 No, but I mean, listen, fans do certain things to get up under your skin. You know, you leave a situation most of the time and you come back.

Speaker 10 Some people

Speaker 10 let their true feelings show on how they really feel about you.

Speaker 10 Now, I understand your loyalty might be to the Seahawks, but all I've done, this is how you really feel about me, truthfully, now that I'm not here.

Speaker 10 Even if you like,

Speaker 10 man, don't do me like that.

Speaker 10 Yes. Don't do me like that.
You mean I dated you for for for for four, five, six, six years. And now that I'm going, wait, this is how you truly feel about me?

Speaker 10 Now that I'm no longer around because I'm of no balance.

Speaker 9 Yes.

Speaker 10 That hurts. That stings.
So I can understand where the middle finger came from.

Speaker 10 I understand. Like, what are we talking about?

Speaker 10 I sacrificed

Speaker 10 you

Speaker 10 to make you happy. On Sundays at one o'clock, I was throwing touchdowns to DK and Tyler Lockett to make you happy.

Speaker 9 Noah

Speaker 9 fan.

Speaker 9 A lot of players play for

Speaker 9 teammates' respect, coaches' trust, fans' appreciation.

Speaker 9 I guess you didn't appreciate me as much as I thought you did.

Speaker 9 So it does hurt

Speaker 9 when you put what you put into it.

Speaker 9 LeBron might not ever admit this, but it hurt him going back to Cleveland, considering what he gave him.

Speaker 9 Yeah, he left.

Speaker 9 But, bro, I did lay it on the line for you. I gave you seven great years.

Speaker 9 Did all I could.

Speaker 9 And then you burned my jersey. You say all these things about.

Speaker 9 Gino's like,

Speaker 9 I resurrected my career in Seattle.

Speaker 9 All I wanted was to be appreciated. I know my teammates respecting me.
I know my coach is trusting me.

Speaker 9 Does

Speaker 9 when you put a lot into something,

Speaker 9 Granny used to say all the time, Boy, I hate an ungrateful person.

Speaker 9 That irks me too.

Speaker 9 That irks me too. I hate ungratefulness.

Speaker 9 Wish Seattle the best. Sometimes you better be careful what you wish for.

Speaker 9 I guess you didn't like

Speaker 9 Gino.

Speaker 9 Well,

Speaker 9 ain't no thing that you're getting what's his came from Minnesota.

Speaker 9 What's Donald?

Speaker 9 Sam Darnall. Ain't no guarantee.

Speaker 9 He ain't got the weapons that he had in Minnesota.

Speaker 9 He ain't got no Jeddah. He ain't got no Addison.
He ain't got Hawkinson. He ain't got Aaron Jones.
And he ain't got Kevin O'Connell calling plays. He got JSC.
And we saw the last two games, right?

Speaker 9 Did you see the last two games?

Speaker 10 He got JSC.

Speaker 9 Oh, so what, oh, Joe, what was the craziest sign you saw as a player?

Speaker 10 Oh, man, that's a good one, huh? That's that's a good one. Hey, oh my goodness.

Speaker 10 Oh my goodness. I enjoy those environments too, Uncle.

Speaker 10 Oh my goodness, the craziest sign.

Speaker 10 Probably the old, the old ocho, instead of ocho sinko, probably ocho stinko.

Speaker 10 yeah yeah yeah most of the time and then it's so funny they would have their signs they would have their signs and i would talk trash back and you know i walk walk up to the stands and talk didn't you sign one of their signs didn't you sign somebody

Speaker 10 always sign that sign and listen and they always say the same thing listen

Speaker 10 we do this because we love you it has nothing to say for the wrong team but you won our favorites and everybody say the same thing they they don't really mean it but they don't have a choice but to go against me because we, I'm if you really did suck, nobody says the guy today getting in the game.

Speaker 9 It's only the players that's really good that suck, which means you don't, you don't actually suck. That means you're very, very good.

Speaker 9 Ain't nobody booing Tom Brady's backup. They're booing Brady.

Speaker 9 They're not booing to Peyton Man. The guy,

Speaker 9 I guarantee you. If the quarterback, I mean, look, they're going to blue the polling team, but the loudest booze, let's just say Tom Brady wasn't first.
He was third.

Speaker 9 They're going to be looking for Brady because they want to boo him. You boo greatness.

Speaker 10 Oh, them some.

Speaker 10 Hey, I talk about, I love playing in hostile environments. I love, love.
I couldn't. Listen, playing at home is cool.
That's fun. But I like people cursing and talking trash.
And all that.

Speaker 10 That did, that was just,

Speaker 10 I was so comfortable being uncomfortable in hostile environments.

Speaker 9 Well, y'all, y'all rival, y'all rival was Cleveland.

Speaker 10 Um,

Speaker 9 because remember when Sam White got on the phone and said, uh, don't throw batteries. You live in Cincinnati, you don't live in Cleveland, yeah, yeah,

Speaker 9 you got that, that was that was you guys because you're both in Ohio, yeah, Battle of Ohio, right? So

Speaker 9 it's uh,

Speaker 9 uh,

Speaker 9 it's an it's a natural, it's a natural rivalry.

Speaker 9 I mean, look, there was no love loss

Speaker 9 before they renamed it the AFC North. It was the AFC Central.

Speaker 9 I think it was still the AFC Central when you got in. They changed it like in 02.
They went to

Speaker 9 the eight

Speaker 9 four team divisions

Speaker 9 because

Speaker 9 it used to be Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Cleveland,

Speaker 9 Baltimore,

Speaker 9 Tennessee, and Jacksonville. We were all in one division.
Don't jump.

Speaker 9 We were all in one division.

Speaker 9 And then they, you know, they split it up and then they took Jacksonville and Tennessee and put them in the South.

Speaker 9 You know, we used to be in Seattle, used to be in the AFC West.

Speaker 9 Then they went to the NFC West.

Speaker 9 But it stayed the Chargers, the Raiders, us, and Kansas City. But

Speaker 9 like, when you got like

Speaker 9 the Raiders, you know, obviously the Raiders was our biggest rivals

Speaker 9 because

Speaker 9 they came in like the AFL together, the Chiefs.

Speaker 9 But it's different playing. It's definitely different playing on the road than at home.
You feel it as you driving in. Everybody's already tailgating.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 Oh, Joe, they're already tailgating. They do it.
They throw in the football. They got their drinking beer all.

Speaker 9 Like,

Speaker 9 how the hell y'all drinking beer at nine o'clock in the morning?

Speaker 9 But they, you know, they getting their thing. They getting their grilling.

Speaker 9 Cleveland. Cleveland fans.

Speaker 10 I love them.

Speaker 9 I will give them credit. I love them for as little as they've won in the last 30 plus years.

Speaker 9 Them Mofo showed.

Speaker 9 I ain't, man, I ain't never.

Speaker 9 Look, I can understand, Ocho, had they went to the AFC championship game or they went to the Super Bowl, and even if they lost, but the way they show up for their team to not win more than what they do,

Speaker 9 I ain't seen nothing like it. Ain't no way.

Speaker 9 I'm going to go sit down there in the cold, let alone get up and tailgate for a team that's going four and four and 13. four and 12.
Oh, no.

Speaker 10 I had a special relationship with those Cleveland fans, especially especially big dog i'm not sure what big dog is at this point every time i do i'm i'm on here we talk about cleveland i always curious how big dog is doing everyone that sat in that i think that might be the north the north end zone they show such love in a hostile way and i made sure to show that love back even though obviously they're they're they're the opposing fans but i've always showed them respect they've always showed me respect and they knew understood when it was game time huh when it's game time

Speaker 10 man forget you we we're gonna to have some fun. And I remember getting permission.
I think I might be the only person that's done that and been accepting of that.

Speaker 10 Is when I did, I leaped in the dog pound.

Speaker 9 Remember, you remember when I jumped in the dog pound and they pulled on that bill, you asked.

Speaker 10 So I asked big dog. I asked big dog before the game started.
I said, listen, if I happen to scroll on this end, I want to jump to you. No disrespect, but let me jump to you.

Speaker 10 And he said, yeah, well, come on and do it. And lo and behold,

Speaker 9 you know, he one person, right? Yeah, big dog.

Speaker 10 Yeah, one person. Big, big man, big man.

Speaker 9 But there are more people in the

Speaker 9 pound than him.

Speaker 10 Listen, I scrolled on that in um and I looked for him and I saw him. I jumped right to him.
Everybody else around, man, I smell like beer to hold the rest of the game, huh?

Speaker 9 It did. They shoved your ass out of the bag.

Speaker 9 That was that was a great moment for me, man.

Speaker 10 That was a great moment.

Speaker 9 You know, Cleveland Brown. Yeah, you, you, you wild for that.

Speaker 10 It was awesome.

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