Belichick BLOWN OUT in UNC debut, Tyreek Hill not named captain, Cam Hayward sitting?

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Speaker 9 I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like and subscribe to our channel.
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Speaker 9 Great day, great day. Another day on the pod with my good man, Debo.
Can't wait to get into these topics, man. It was a lot going on.
A lot of things to talk about. Definitely, definitely.

Speaker 9 The first thing we're going to talk about, though, is how the, you know, UNC went over there and got their face beat in. Got

Speaker 9 48 to 14 man you know

Speaker 9 I guess that was Bill's welcome welcome to college party I would say it wasn't no joke he's letting them know man these boys did not come to play TCU was not playing with them bro yeah definitely um so you know looking at it uh

Speaker 9 you know I think the

Speaker 9 defense uh personally um just looking at it,

Speaker 9 they just got dominated.

Speaker 9 I think on both sides of the ball, when you look at the offensive and defensive lines,

Speaker 9 they were getting moved around the whole game. Yeah, the whole game.
On top of that,

Speaker 9 you got guys not catching passes, you got guys missing tackles, dropping punts, everything that when I was there that they harped on fundamentals, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 See what you're supposed to see, be where you're supposed to be, and do what it is that you're supposed to do. And, you know, you had guys that just looked like they were totally out of position.

Speaker 9 You know big plays it was nothing like you normally see of a they looked lost debo they looked lost they looked like they were ill-prepared and uncoached and that is not what you see in the bill belichick type defense or a team the one thing they're going to do is be coached they're going to have eye discipline they're going to tackle they're going to be in the right position it's not they might not be the most athletic people but the one thing they're going to do is they're going to be in the right place and make the right play at the right time they looked completely completely lost when they first started off the game it was all good the first drive first pass cross big over boom everybody's hype first drive they score and from that it's funny how the table was it like 40 something

Speaker 9 unanswered like non-something unanswered that's exactly what it was debo yeah

Speaker 9 he threw the pick that's not so that's not something you could do man no the pick six before halftime killed them and then coming out of half i don't think that killed him.

Speaker 9 I think they didn't regroup at halftime.

Speaker 9 Normally, you know, when you get in there, especially when I was there with Bill, he has a plan, you know, in place and he puts that plan in place and, okay, this is what we're going to do.

Speaker 9 This is what we're going to adjust to. And you come out, you adjust to it.
And, you know, I think he's very good at adjusting to halftime. But again, you're.

Speaker 9 you're in college, you know what I'm saying? And it's, you know, it's a difference between, you know, college and the pros.

Speaker 9 You know, how hard do you think it is to go from coaching in the NFL to college? I think it's, I think it's very hard.

Speaker 9 I think because when you have professionals that understand that it's, it's not no longer, we're not doing this for fun. This is our profession.
This is our job.

Speaker 9 What's on film is our resume.

Speaker 9 So you're speaking to grown men and when you tell them one time, they shouldn't be able to, you shouldn't make the same mistake twice in the league or you're going to be out the way.

Speaker 9 And college is more.

Speaker 9 Man, like,

Speaker 9 dude, do you get this or do you don't? You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 I think it's harder to coach those kids kids than it is to coach professionals and now with those kids being nil guys these kids are also now getting paid these kids are also now looking at bill like what you gonna tell me you know i'm saying i'm making a million dollars here playing a little game i can go somewhere else next year you know what i'm saying i got this so not being able to have the maturity of like you can't really coach these dudes up because now they looking at you like who you talking to you know i'm saying instead of the respect factor that you used to have in college where you coach meer when he was telling us what to do he was the law there's nothing over meyer meyer is not going to let us play if he if we go somewhere else you had to sit out of here you couldn't just go to another school and then go play no you had to go do what cam did he went juco then he had to go to auburn there's steps so kids are acting a little bit different so i think that's going to be a whole lot tougher for him to coach but i was saying like you said too the halftime part pick going into the second half now you have the whole halftime to figure it out get your changes get your execution first play debo the man ran 75 yards untouched and scored again right out of halftime the first and that's not that's not the adjustment you want to you want that's not you didn't do any adjustments you get crazy that's something else the big difference you know is you're you're recruiting now you actually have to go out here and and find the guys that you need to get that's a whole nother process you don't have a whole scouting department to go out there and you know get what it is that you need

Speaker 9 um again you have you have grown men you know out here they're trying to put food on their table they're they're trying to feed their family you know it's going to be a lot more motivation uh to go out there and get it done where you got these you know 17 to 20 something year old kids and you know they got money in their pocket now you know a exactly thousand a hundred thousand dollars that's that's that's a big thing to them and i think another thing with college is that you know they've really limited the amount of time i think that's what we're seeing in the tackling they've limited the amount of time that these guys could go out here and do live drills go and tackle, go and, you know, perfect their craft.

Speaker 9 And I think that's a big issue of why we were seeing, you know, so many missed tackles.

Speaker 9 No, I think so, too. You're exactly right.
I mean, it's live reps. They're taking out the live reps.
They want dudes to, they're trying to protect people's heads and all of the protocols.

Speaker 9 being able to go full speed and get those live tackling reps, being able to get those angle tackles. That doesn't happen.

Speaker 9 It's a big difference between running up here and breaking down. Oh, I was formed up, ready to go.
Okay, but what happens when he decides that he's not going to cut away from you?

Speaker 9 And he lowers his shoulder and

Speaker 9 now he's going to run you over.

Speaker 9 That's things that in practice, you have to go through for sure to be able to, you know, get that day in and day out so that when you get into that game, you know what? I can see the adjustment.

Speaker 9 You know, it may be a little late, but I'm not going to miss this whole tackle because I've been coming up here all practice, squatting down, form fitting, looking pretty.

Speaker 9 And now, you know, he go ahead and he put that right down on my ass. And I'm sitting there on my back with my feet kicked up in the air, yeah, you know, like a horse that done got

Speaker 9 put down, you know, for sure, for sure, for sure. Because dude can run all the way up to the right position, stand there, and then look, bang.
Now you sit back. What you gonna do when you get there?

Speaker 9 You gonna drive through him? Are you gonna go through the target? Are you gonna become the, you know what I'm saying? Right.

Speaker 9 A speed bump.

Speaker 9 Yeah, yeah. I don't, uh, I don't, uh,

Speaker 9 I don't,

Speaker 9 dang, man, I just, I don't, I don't think I would ever go from coaching in an NFL to to coaching in college because again, especially in today's era, you, you lose a lot of the motivation that, you know, guys, guys have, you know, when you're in the pros versus now in college, you know, you got some of these guys out here, they could, they can mess around and actually make, you know, generational money, you know, millions of dollars that they're smart with it and have, you know,

Speaker 9 financial understanding of what it is they need to do. And you're sitting here as their position coach trying to tell them what to do.
That's that's a hard role to hold. A thousand percent, man.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 A thousand percent. They had that role over us because we couldn't even do anything.
That name and likeness, you couldn't get a haircut. You couldn't get a free tattoo.
I mean, T.F.

Speaker 9 Sherlock Prowd got kicked out of school for getting free tattoos. Like crazy.
Dude,

Speaker 9 that wasn't that long ago. You know what I'm saying? That wasn't that long ago that we couldn't actually do a thing.
We couldn't have no money. Like they want us to be legitimately broke.

Speaker 9 They're like, oh, you getting your, you're paying, they're paying for your housing. I'm like, so?

Speaker 9 Like, if a dude was in my class that was an artist and made it a painting, he could sell that painting for $250,000 and nobody going to say nothing to him.

Speaker 9 But I can't go do an autograph signing, Joe Hayden at the University of Florida, make a couple thousand dollars because I ain't got it. They like this.
That's against this NCAA. Like, huh?

Speaker 9 If they don't, that's my

Speaker 9 dinner. That's me.
A dinner could get you a fruit. A dinner could get you, get you popped.
You know what I'm saying? Anything, bro. Anything.

Speaker 9 so that was crazy like not being able to do that and just being able to not have no money to now these dudes are i i i i appreciate it i love it but at the same time that's what gives them a little bit more like

Speaker 9 you can't really tell me nothing but i i mean i i don't i don't i don't like that part i think they could still be able to grind still be able to get it because that's the thing what i loved about college when we was there i think that made us want to get it out the mud because you still didn't have nothing you know what i'm saying you were still in it with your boys nobody's going to go back to the situation all y'all broke man so we like you know that's something that that that i see i see now with with you know current current players and some of their kids it's like yo you know even even me i'm like i done made it too comfortable for these dudes like

Speaker 9 my you know my oldest son finally dropped down and and started started really grinding into it but it was only after he had a couple surgeries you know what i'm saying and now he has to have another one tomorrow but you know i was in a situation where i'm like yo i got to grind i got to go out here.

Speaker 9 I don't want to, I don't want to be in the situation I grew up in. I didn't know I was poor, Joe, until I got to college and realized like, yo, everybody don't live how we was living back here.

Speaker 9 Like, we ain't got no money. We actually, like, we actually waiting.
We, we folding up antennas to make sure you get the TV to work and all this other stuff.

Speaker 9 TV break, you got to wait. For sure.

Speaker 9 But it ain't just go get a new one and everything else. Like you saying, too, though, that's the thing.
You know, you're your surroundings.

Speaker 9 Like everybody that's around you is kind of in the same situation the internet being able to get on tick tock being able to see everybody how everybody's living miles away and fake living you know what i'm saying because all that stuff is having their perspective what they put out you always want to live up with the joneses keep up with the joneses when you was in your neighborhood you was riding your bike to your man

Speaker 9 street up the street and y'all was playing football in the street until the lights came back on you wasn't sitting there looking to see oh what little johnny got uh that lives in california with his family that's just traveling and doing that stuff you figuring out what you got you up here window shopping daydreaming trying to compare your life to somebody's life that ain't even really what they putting on there for nothing.

Speaker 9 They just front. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 Got you depressed, got you stressed out over something that doesn't even need to be nothing. You know what I'm saying? So it's a whole different, it's just a whole different era.

Speaker 9 But that grind, that like wanting to get it, that that grit that we had, some of that stuff, you can't put it into everybody. Some people ain't built like that.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 You know the grind, man. Like we got, we got, we got the top 100 come out.

Speaker 9 And I guess we got barkley san cores barkley ranked as number one um are you surprised it's a running back at the top i'm not gonna lie over a quarterback uh

Speaker 9 over a quarterback i would say yes but saquan is the deserving deserving of it you know what i'm saying like i do think there's been like his his season his year that he had what he did for the eagles what he did for the seniors

Speaker 9 that's what they don't understand and i'm not surprised by it at all you know what i'm saying yeah but i think especially what he did coming to that team that year and going and getting the ultimate goal in the game is the reason they got him.

Speaker 9 And he made that happen. He helped make that.
He was a huge part of that along with the season he had, the plays he had. Yes, I'm, you know, I'm not upset about it.
I'm not surprised by it.

Speaker 9 I'm good with it. I'm good with it.
I'm happy for him.

Speaker 9 And I'm happy that just it shows that NFL players, they don't like the way that some people are saying like the contracts for running backs are going down.

Speaker 9 It just shows that this is your players, your people, your peers. You know what I'm saying? They recognize your game.
They like this.

Speaker 9 This dude had the best season, is the best player in the league right now. And having Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Jamar Chase, Pasha Mahomes right behind them speaks volumes.

Speaker 9 And I can see them saying that, man, that dude was the best player of the season. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 That's all you want from your peers. Hey, hey, speaking of that, what was your highest rating, Joe? 23.

Speaker 9 You know what your highest rating was? I don't know. 23.

Speaker 9 Oh, I know that. Man, I was watching that dream.
I'm like, man, they better get me lower than low. I got the 23.
I was 30. I was 39 and then 23.
Yeah, 23 was my highest, though. Okay.
Okay.

Speaker 9 I couldn't even tell you what my highest was. I don't.
We're going to get on that research, James. I know you.
I know you're not going to know that. I don't know.
I ain't going to lie. I don't know.

Speaker 9 I don't know.

Speaker 9 How much you think guys care about that, though?

Speaker 9 I mean,

Speaker 9 honestly, if you, you just want to be recognized by your peers for what you do, and that's why we

Speaker 9 I think we played it to be the best at our position, we didn't just do it to be out there. So, the recognition, like the grind, we're trying, we want to be the best that we can be.

Speaker 9 We're already in the league, and that's what happens. But now, once you're in the league, I want to be the best in the league.
I want to be all pro.

Speaker 9 I want to go to the pro bowls, I want to win Super Bowls. So, that's just in your own mental when you compete against yourself, like in this joint.
Here's the best.

Speaker 9 We won our first Super Bowl, which was in

Speaker 9 2005 uh detroit and uh i was a special teams player right

Speaker 9 and i mean it's i'm

Speaker 9 what i'm going to say is going to sound kind of crazy but i was a special teams player okay and i was like this don't this don't feel like you know what i what i see on tv i'm like well i'm like maybe it'll it'll feel different you know if i was a starter and you know i'm you know i'm more of a part of the of the actual you know, team for the whole, all, you know, all that.

Speaker 9 So, you know, you fast forward to 2008, and, you know, we went in Tampa. And I remember sitting on the podium, dude.

Speaker 9 Not even the podium, it was a camera that was out there and it had a little round cylinder around it. So I sat down on that and I'm looking around,

Speaker 9 and this is going to sound crazy. I was like,

Speaker 9 it still felt the same.

Speaker 9 It was like

Speaker 9 watching it on TV, bro,

Speaker 9 was way more exciting than actually being there and winning it.

Speaker 9 Like when you look at the TV, bro, like

Speaker 9 they sell you everything. So when you're looking at the TV, you're watching every player celebrate here, celebrate there.
So it's like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Confetti, all this.

Speaker 9 And I'm sitting there and I'm like, I see the confetti falling. It's like cameras looking at me and I'm like,

Speaker 9 I'm like, yeah, it's cool, but it ain't like they show it on TV.

Speaker 9 Was your folks there? Was your family there? Yeah.

Speaker 9 Yeah, dude, I was so tired. As soon as the game hit, it was over with.
You was exhausted. I was exhausted, bro.
I sat down. I just took my helmet off, dude.

Speaker 9 And I was just, I just had my head like, I was just like this. And I look up and I'm looking around

Speaker 9 and I'm just like,

Speaker 9 damn, it still ain't like you see it on TV.

Speaker 9 Damn, Brody. Your ass was drained, Debo.
Yeah. Drained.
It was mentally. Bro, I took two bags at halftime, bro.
See, that's what I'm saying. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Is this the one when you did the pick six? Yeah. Yeah.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 9 Man, you couldn't breathe. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Teebo, you was exhausted. Listen, I was actually hurt a little bit, though, but because when I hit my head, my neck hit the ground first first and it kind of crunched.

Speaker 9 I started to jump back up. And when I went to go jump back up, it cracked again.
And RC was already standing over me. I'm like, hey, get the trainers.
Get the trainers.

Speaker 9 I couldn't breathe either, though. Like real tough.
I just couldn't believe you didn't fumble that joint too. You held onto the rock, hit your neck and scored, Debo.

Speaker 9 That joint was unbelievable, brother. I had a whole squad, man.
I had dudes that threw two blocks, bro. Oh, no, for sure.
That helped me get down there.

Speaker 9 And that was something that we ended up practicing, dude, like

Speaker 9 that whole week, dude, in

Speaker 9 Tampa when we were down there. And Coach LeBeau was giving us the stats on your percentages of winning if you get a turnover, if you get a defensive touchdown, dude.

Speaker 9 It was something like it was close to 90%. You get a defensive touchdown, dude.
So that whole week,

Speaker 9 it didn't matter if we caught the ball and got a pick at the one-yard line. the whole defense ran taking it back to the house take it to the house they just waited for us to get back

Speaker 9 and you know practice made perfect it's a mindset y'all went in that joint if somebody gets it we taking it back to the crib yes no matter what no we're gonna pitch it back if we gotta pitch it back but you no i'm gonna get busy i'm gonna jump over buddy you know what i'm saying take it up you know what i'm saying like that i have my running back skills come out you know what i'm saying you had it high and tight like i could have went i could have went either way at the end i ain't gonna even lie i ain't have have it high and tight no more i was kind of holding that mud like a loaf of bread like this you know what i'm saying i had it like this the crazy thing is when fits came off the side if he had actually swiped down and just hit the ball it would have popped out

Speaker 9 he missed and hit my chest it gave me time to cover it up okay that was the only thing you know what i'm saying that's a lot of running back skills what was in play you know what i'm saying speaking of running backs we got we got a little thing from uh thurman thomas here uh rather than rewarding running backs for production once their rookie contracts expire, Thurman Thomas is upset that teams are instead letting them go and moving on to the next younger and cheaper player.

Speaker 9 He says, You still deserve a contract. The first team you put, the first team has put you through hell, and yet I'm still ready to go.

Speaker 9 Haven't had any injuries. Now,

Speaker 9 give me my damn money.

Speaker 9 uh it's not even receiver money it's like we're hanging with the punters and the kickers

Speaker 9 what do you uh

Speaker 9 what do you think of the

Speaker 9 comments first but the use of running backs now like what do you think has been the change why

Speaker 9 they don't i mean when you look at it like they're they're getting rid of guys younger and younger if you're not one of those top five running backs you're you know they're getting you out of there bro a thousand percent and like you said you know what it is it's a business so if you're they're going to use you up rookie contract them first three years you know what i'm saying hopefully if you stay that the part is they you're expected to get hurt you know what i'm saying so the running backs and then you can draft a running back they say in the second round the third round you can get running backs a little bit all over jale jalen warren for example he's a great running back that we didn't draft high you know what i'm saying and ended up being able to sign him for the low low.

Speaker 9 So it's messed up, but understanding, like Saquon Barkleys are going to be the reasons why great running backs to end up just high production.

Speaker 9 You're going to have to take a shorter-term deal with guaranteed money.

Speaker 9 These two years, fully guaranteed joints, if they're doing a two-year for getting $15 million a year, Saquon just did a two-year for $40 million extension.

Speaker 9 Now, the market, the highest-paid running back, is at $20 million a year. Understanding, he got $36 guaranteed.
It's going to be more guaranteed the shorter term.

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Speaker 9 Term deal when you start coming off your rookie contracts. And it's just because

Speaker 9 you're going to get it's 100% injury in the NFL and they're giving you the ball all the time. So just got to be able to get on that for a little bit

Speaker 9 shorter term deal and just bet on yourself. It sucks, but it's the NFL.
That's the way that they're going. And they're not trying to,

Speaker 9 it is a business. So just keep that in perspective.
And I love the way the Eagles and Saquon did it right. You know what I'm saying? Cook in the bills.

Speaker 9 Just these little short-term deals with 15, 16, 17, that's solid money.

Speaker 9 Hopefully, like when you get Saquon to put it up to 20, we get another running back that continues, hopefully balls out, Bijan Robinson.

Speaker 9 Hopefully he can get up there in this next, stay healthy, get to 22. So I see it going up, but just knowing it's going to be more short-term deals with guaranteed money because it's a business.

Speaker 9 You are a running back. They can figure out they can come get you,

Speaker 9 get you, get you, find somebody coming out of college or get somebody for a little bit less that's going to do a lot of good production. Like

Speaker 9 when Thurman Thomas played,

Speaker 9 it was a totally different game.

Speaker 9 It was run heavy. It was a physical game.
And them guys

Speaker 9 played longer careers because that's what the game was.

Speaker 9 You had a big, you know, had a big offensive line. You had a big defensive line.
And you went out there and you tried to push the other guy around. You had a big full,

Speaker 9 right? And if you had a good running back, which you were nice fullback blocking, that's just what the game came to. Right now, it is a pass-heavy game, dude.

Speaker 9 You know, everything they want to do is for scoring

Speaker 9 they're they did things that help by you know changing the rules to make it easier for for them to score um exactly yeah you know it's offensive base rules for for the majority of things that's going on can't touch the quarterbacks they make it

Speaker 9 yeah Yeah, again, the wear and tear, you know, on a running back, especially if you're paying one running back that much,

Speaker 9 it's hard. You know, you got a lot of people who are, not a lot of teams, you got a few teams who are now using a couple guys

Speaker 9 and finding a way to get the money situated to where

Speaker 9 they can keep both. I think Detroit is one of those people that got it to

Speaker 9 running backs over there that really

Speaker 9 complement each other. You got a speed guy, you got a power guy, and

Speaker 9 they're having some real success with their run game over there. That's the best combination, the best running back combination, I think, in the league for sure.

Speaker 9 yeah i gotta figure out how they what their contract situation is too how much they make in a year because whoever they finagled that other teams need to look and see how to finagle that well you gotta have you got here's the thing i think you gotta have guys who are willing to be like i know what my worth is and have a realistic number of what their worth is although you want to get paid as much as you can at some point if you're trying to do this to actually make make money and for the longevity of it, the longer you can play, the more money you can make.

Speaker 9 I think having two running backs is more beneficial for a person that is playing, you know, the running back position. No, I think so too.
You're right.

Speaker 9 Wear and tear on them, have to carry and just seeing like as long as that money's looking good for you. You don't have to be the highest person to set the market.

Speaker 9 But if you comfortable, your family's comfortable, you like your income.

Speaker 9 Stay right there. Keep it cruised.
You know what I'm saying? So I don't think you need to always shake it up, always try to get out of a situation like that.

Speaker 9 So I think for sure, we're looking at if I'm going to get the ball all the time, they're going to keep punishing me. Is it worth it?

Speaker 9 Or am I going to be able to play a little bit longer if I got another dude with me that I'm splitting carries with? And we, you know what I'm saying, both could be here for a while.

Speaker 9 Yeah, like you said, the workhorse is going to get paid. The money's going to go up.
But as a whole, at that position, you know, it's not.

Speaker 9 I can get a guy in here that, you know, he hasn't had multiple surgeries on his knee. You know, he's coming in, you know, fresh out of college.

Speaker 9 You know, they got the rules set to where these dudes aren't getting beat up like they used to.

Speaker 9 And now he's, and he's hungry. You know what I'm saying? He's ready to get in there and try and take, right, try and take your spot.
So, you know, it's easier to get that rookie contract.

Speaker 9 You get him in there for four years. You start looking at the other, the next guy you want, you know,

Speaker 9 a year or two before you got to get rid of him. I mean, you're looking at the situation right now, like you said, with the Stillers.

Speaker 9 They went and got

Speaker 9 a top running back and then they went and got another running back and who's sitting there right now with the contract and who did they let go this is a prime example of it what you know thurman is talking about exactly yeah exactly

Speaker 9 so speaking of the stillers uh aaron rodgers tom brady said that aaron rodgers is the most talented quarterback in nfl history he said aaron in his prime to me is the greatest passer of the football the league has ever seen.

Speaker 9 He could get the ball from point A to point B faster and more accurate than any player in NFL history.

Speaker 9 What do you think of those comments? See, so I'm going to say that I agree. And this is just before, before I even,

Speaker 9 when I was growing up, this is 2002, 2003. I'm watching Aaron Rodgers.
And just from my eye test, it was Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, who was the better quarterback.

Speaker 9 in history, like trying to get the Super Bowls and all that. But with my eye test, I thought Aaron Rodgers threw the prettiest spiral, threw the best pass that I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 9 Just the release of it, just the placement, just the way that he threw the ball. And that might not make him the greatest quarterback of all time with championships and Super Bowls.

Speaker 9 That's like, that's for other people to debate. But from my eye test, when I was watching, my best favorite quarterback I ever seen throw the ball and put it in the spot was Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 9 And that is without before Tom Brady saying this, this is the way I felt, you know what I'm saying, back in the day. And I would say, Tom Brady, greater.

Speaker 9 Peyton Manning may be greater, but with my eye testing, how you put the ball in certain spots and spin that joint like that, I've never seen a bin it like Aaron Rodgers, in my opinion.

Speaker 9 I would agree with you, Anne, and Tom, because

Speaker 9 the biggest thing for me is the speed at which he gets it there with the accuracy that he gets it there. Believe me, I seen it firsthand.

Speaker 9 And he's throwing this thing, it looks like with the flick of a wrist, dude, when he was doing it. And it's, it's on the money.
And it's spiraling everywhere. Yes.

Speaker 9 It's like, it's like, it's like three, it's like three inches right out of your reach. And nobody can get it but the receiver.
You know what I'm saying? And that's coming like lightning.

Speaker 9 You know what I'm saying? Like, it's, it was impressive. I've been in situations.
That was my first quarterback. I played him in my rookie season when I came out for the Browns.

Speaker 9 We played Green Bay and Lambeau Field. First game in my career, first preseason game.
He went 10 for 10 on us and threw a touchdown. That's when he had like Donald Driver.
He had Jordi Nelson.

Speaker 9 You let him go 10 for 10? He went 10 for 10 and I'm right there in the pocket, but I can't touch the ball. The receiver can touch the ball.
Bing, right out of my

Speaker 9 he caught the joint and then I tackled him. Catch and tackle, but I'm like, oh my, I'm right here.
Why are you still throwing it? Oh, that's a pick. No, it's not.
Oh, my God. Right out of my reach.

Speaker 9 i'm falling diving for the ball but you know who i think was great like really great at throwing you out of being able to pick the ball it was tom dude you'd be like oh i've done broke on this and he would throw the ball to where it's going over your head to the receiver over his shoulder and you

Speaker 9 broke it dude

Speaker 9 yes looping it yeah

Speaker 9 bro so i know you know it's been the same jordy nelson i'm right there and i'm like he threw the fade ball and i'm right there and it went right over my hand i'm like this dude is unbelievable.

Speaker 9 He's trying me, and I can't touch it. I haven't touched the ball yet.

Speaker 9 You couldn't even knock one down, Joe. I didn't get no PBUs, none, not one.
All completions. They were catching it, and I was tackling them.
I was like, oh my god, like this. Work on my hand.

Speaker 9 Oh my god, he got it. Tackle,

Speaker 9 bro. It was crazy.

Speaker 9 How many tackles you had that game, babe? Man, how many times he threw it on me?

Speaker 9 I had three tackles.

Speaker 9 That man with three, you went 10 for 10. I told you, you went three for three on me and three good tackles.
Boom, low tackles. Solid tackles, though.
You made sure

Speaker 9 yak, though. No yak, zero yak.
No yak at all. zero yak.

Speaker 9 Yeah. Yeah.
That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about, man.

Speaker 9 That was crazy. It was crazy.
Where was that at? It was in Lambeau Field 2010.

Speaker 9 My role.

Speaker 9 It felt like to me, dude, he got

Speaker 9 cold, man. It was beautiful outside.
It was a beautiful day. It was fucking August.

Speaker 9 Yeah, he was whipping that thing. Man, he was spinning that ball so well.

Speaker 9 Yep, yep, yep. Yeah,

Speaker 9 that's one of those things you can't, you know, it's nothing you do, you can do to defend great. No, it's not bad.
No, it's not about me. It's about Aaron.
It had nothing to do with me.

Speaker 9 Yeah, it was all about. I was a nameless, I was a nameless gray face.

Speaker 9 I was a nameless great face.

Speaker 9 He saw through me that day he saw through all of us dude speaking to dude about none uh about him or or nothing about you let's roll over here to miami man i guess uh miami announced that they're they're captains for 2025 season and uh

Speaker 9 there was uh

Speaker 9 no tariq on it i guess for the first time since 2022 he was not voted a captain uh mike mcdonald and mike mcdonald had a very revealing quote He said, we were focused on giving the keys to

Speaker 9 the captains. So, to guys that had earned

Speaker 9 the guys that had earned it each and every day. That's what speaks to me the most is the football team that knows who it wants to be led by.

Speaker 9 Captain C to the guys. I got you.
All right.

Speaker 9 So

Speaker 9 with that, Tariq not being selected. Are you surprised? What's your reaction to that?

Speaker 9 I ain't going to lie to you, brother.

Speaker 9 I'm not surprised at all.

Speaker 9 Did you know, you remember at the end of the season,

Speaker 9 I'm trying to be out of here. And you know, that could definitely at the end of the season.
Not only am I trying to be out of here, this man pulled himself out the game in the third quarter.

Speaker 9 Come on, brother. So we acting like we acting like like these are other grown men.
These are your teammates that are voting for the captain.

Speaker 9 They seen that and like, they wouldn't, people just not going to vote for that. You know what I'm saying? They don't feel like you all in.
And you said you wasn't all in.

Speaker 9 I mean, you apologized and everything, but that's cool. You're still going to be able to come in there.
They're going to respect you. And as long as you go out there and work, be a grown man.

Speaker 9 I want you to work. I want you to play every day, be on time for meetings.
And when you're out there, grind. And when you're on the field, grind and try to be the best you can be.
Be Tyreek.

Speaker 9 That's all I need. I need nothing, no more, no less.

Speaker 9 But making you a captain, after you said what you said, I'm not going to go in there feeling no type of way, but you can actions be louder than words. You can show me better than you can tell me.

Speaker 9 You coming in there, working, grinding, doing what you got to do, leading by example is what it's going to be. But just, it's okay.
You're not a captain.

Speaker 9 I was, I was on the teams where I was felt like I was a leader a couple of times that I wasn't a captain. I was never a captain when I was on the Steelers.
That's Cam Hayward, TJ.

Speaker 9 It's going to be a certain amount of captains. So when they come there, then you know you're still going to be a valuable part.
Just don't be bringing bad vibes.

Speaker 9 Come in here, do your job, and it's going to be be what it is. Maybe next season, if you come in there, show leadership, do what you got to do, then you could be a captain.
But you know how that is.

Speaker 9 You told us

Speaker 9 they ain't gonna, I'm not voting for you. Yeah, I think he let

Speaker 9 his emotional state right then

Speaker 9 get

Speaker 9 him into a situation that if he had just sat back and

Speaker 9 had time to cool off and think about it, I don't think he would have did and said the same things at that point.

Speaker 9 I mean, when you go back to it, you know, that's his first time ever not being in the playoffs, bro. You know, his first time, I believe, having a losing season in the NFL.

Speaker 9 So

Speaker 9 I think it was a knee-jerk reaction, you know, to a situation that, you know, he saw as a permanent

Speaker 9 situation that may continue and was just like, yeah,

Speaker 9 I'm going to be out of here. Do you think

Speaker 9 do you think it's cool, though, that he's not gonna be a captain? Do you really understand? Do you think

Speaker 9 you're cool with it? Okay, I'm one, I'm 100% cool with it, dude. I have no issue with it at all.
Um, like you said, the team voted it, they, they,

Speaker 9 according to them, the team voted it, they uh, they made it to where uh they spoke by who they voted for, and you know, that that speaks for itself.

Speaker 9 Um, it's sometimes where, you know, some teams you vote, but they end up picking who they want.

Speaker 9 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 What you laughing for, Joe?

Speaker 9 I mean,

Speaker 9 that could be, could be, could be. Yeah, I'm just saying, you know, I've heard of it happening.
I heard, I heard, I've heard, I've heard, I've heard, I've heard.

Speaker 9 I would like to hope that it's like the lottery and it's legit, but you never know.

Speaker 9 You never know unless you see it for yourself and then you saw it and you know.

Speaker 9 So I'm just saying there's some teams that actually do

Speaker 9 pick who it is. They want to be the leader for their team.
And sometimes they disguise it under the,

Speaker 9 you know, the pretense of that's who the guys pick.

Speaker 9 But it's kind of hard when it comes down to, you know, and guys are like, you pick who, you pick who? Like, who? Who voted for who?

Speaker 9 Okay. So you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 You speak, you saying, you're just saying,

Speaker 9 I'm catching what you putting down. You know what I'm saying? But I ain't trying to, you know.
No, I'm just saying. I'm just saying that, you know, that happens.
So,

Speaker 9 yeah, that's all I was saying. Okay.
Yeah. But him not being voted, I mean, he even had, you know, he even understood it.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 9 He took accountability, you know, for what he said. He, he's not surprised that he wasn't voted captain.

Speaker 9 You know, he knows he's going to have to go in there and earn these guys, you know, trust back and

Speaker 9 all that. You know, you say that.
You're basically saying that you don't want to be with us no more because we trash. Like,

Speaker 9 you can't say that because you're not saying like us. You're saying, like, it's you, Joe.
You're trash. I don't want to be here.

Speaker 9 I need to get out of here because I can go and do way more without y'all. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, he's telling y'all are trash.

Speaker 9 I've won on other teams. I need to go back.

Speaker 9 I was in Kansas City. They were better than y'all.
I need to go back. Yes.
That's what they felt like. For sure.
Now we skip on over to Dallas, man.

Speaker 9 Trayvon Diggs has finally came out and defended Micah, saying that he felt everyone in Dallas, current locker room, liked Micah and thinks the rumors likely came from former Cowboys.

Speaker 9 He said, I think everyone liked him. I feel like there are some former players who are not here no more who didn't like Micah.

Speaker 9 There was a lot of us, I would say

Speaker 9 there was a lot of i would say hate jealousy envy towards him because of who he is and the production he does on the field imagine if you came in here and you're thinking and you're uh taking somebody else so you're taking somebody's shine or taking somebody's spot you're not going to like that they're going to feel a type of way especially if you're that type of person Ooh, that sounds like shots fired.

Speaker 9 It does. You name any names,

Speaker 9 but I mean, do you think this was referring to DeMarcus Lawrence?

Speaker 9 Oh,

Speaker 9 I mean,

Speaker 9 that sounds about right. They were saying

Speaker 9 somebody's spot.

Speaker 9 They was, I don't.

Speaker 9 I'm just asking a question. I ain't.
Look, that's what I don't know.

Speaker 9 My name is Bennett and I ain't in it. But.
I mean, the descriptions of what he's saying, it says, I think everyone liked him. I feel like there are some former players who are not here

Speaker 9 no more who didn't like Micah. There was a lot of, I would say, hate, jealousy, envy, those are personal words towards him because of who he is and the production.
he does on the field.

Speaker 9 So imagine if you came in here and you're taking somebody's shine. So he took somebody, he was taking somebody's shine, right?

Speaker 9 And taking somebody's spot, you're not going to like that, right? No. You're going to feel a type of way, especially if you're that type of person.

Speaker 9 Now he's saying that person is that type of person, too. So I don't.

Speaker 9 I'm just asking a question to you. Like, do you think he was referring to anybody in specific, maybe

Speaker 9 Demarcus Lawrence? Or you, I don't know.

Speaker 9 Did you think yes or no?

Speaker 9 How could it possibly be?

Speaker 9 That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 It sounds like he's talking about somebody to play defensive end because he said taking his spot.

Speaker 9 So if we don't go from there,

Speaker 9 the previous defensive end that did there.

Speaker 9 I would say. I love Trevon Diggs coming out because nobody's really came out in defense of Micah Parsons.
I know that these dudes kick it. They hang out.
That's his boy.

Speaker 9 So from Trayvon's perspective, it could be literally what it is. Like, that's my man's.
We cool. Trayvon also has his bag and knows that Micah Parsons out there balling deserves his bag.

Speaker 9 He's been playing with me. We've been doing this together.
So he's out there, I think, trying to defend for his mans.

Speaker 9 I don't know of the person that's not on the team anymore, but it sounds like another defensive end that was there that

Speaker 9 maybe

Speaker 9 Debo, say, it's like, yeah, obviously. You know what I'm saying? Like the same situation where we have, it's like you and TJ come in where he's like, they not, maybe they didn't tell DeMarcus.

Speaker 9 Maybe they tried to play with him a little bit. You know what I'm saying? Like they tried to play with you and TJ a little bit.
You know what I'm saying? Like that's probably, probably how it was.

Speaker 9 And Demarcus don't play that. So he's probably vocalized how he felt.
You know what I'm saying? And I think that some of that stuff, it doesn't have nothing to do with maybe Micah and

Speaker 9 Micah and his relationship as much as he thinks with

Speaker 9 Demarcus and the Cowboys organization. You know what I'm saying? He might have talked to them, maybe not rocking.
Oh, you drafted this dude.

Speaker 9 What do y'all think is going on? I'm just trying to go from devil's advocate because there's always two sides of the story. I don't know what happened with Micah.

Speaker 9 I don't know what happened with DeMarcus, with Trayvon, what he's saying. I'm just trying to put pieces of the puzzle, but I just sounding like

Speaker 9 the puzzle kind of, it kind of fitting, you know, the pieces is fitting, you know, when you line it up. So I think it's a possibility

Speaker 9 will i give a definite yes or no

Speaker 9 no i can't do that no that that's not we can't do that that that would be that would not be that would be disingenuous a thousand percent to the argument come on debo right exactly

Speaker 9 so now

Speaker 9 speaking of micah parsons uh dan campbell said Dan Campbell, we know what kind of player Michael Parsons is. We'll have a plan.
Does Michael Parsons put the Packers over the Lions in the NFC North?

Speaker 9 Do you think?

Speaker 9 I mean,

Speaker 9 it helps them out a lot. I mean,

Speaker 9 I don't see why not. I mean,

Speaker 9 the Packers are not a bad team. Jordan Love has been playing really good.
They beat.

Speaker 9 They did good last season. And with just adding another defensive player, that's going to help out their secondary.
That's going to help out their pass rush.

Speaker 9 And I don't think they have nowhere to go but up since Jordan Love with another year under his belt he's done nothing but prove to me that he can he can actually be a franchise quarterback so with if he can be a franchise quarterback and micah pars can help that defense out because they they they don't look bad they look like they're on the up and up they're drafting well they're moving in the right direction so packers are up for me and like i said before i've seen them they made a reggie white trade with a quarterback they made a uh Charles Woodson trade with the quarterback.

Speaker 9 And now they got Jordan Love and then they made this Michael Parsons trade. I'm liking them dudes knowing when they need to get a crazy piece on defense because they have a franchise quarterback.

Speaker 9 So, I think the Packers look like they know what they're doing.

Speaker 9 Yeah,

Speaker 9 I'm going to go with, I think it puts the Packers

Speaker 9 as the

Speaker 9 guys in NFC North right now. You added in a pass rusher.
The games that they've played over the last year or two have been close games. When you take into account

Speaker 9 that

Speaker 9 the

Speaker 9 Lions, I believe, lost their O and D coordinator to head coaching positions. You got a change right there.
Um, you got Hutchison coming back off of, you know, messing up his leg.

Speaker 9 You got to build that confidence back at going out there, especially, you know, how he ended up messing his leg up. He swung around.
So you got to get used to it.

Speaker 9 How long that's going to take I hit and swing around is, you know, he's back full 100%, but to get out there in live action when those bodies are flying around, it's a little different.

Speaker 9 But I think, you know, having Micah there and you add him in there with

Speaker 9 the current defensive line that they have, I think it puts them over the top. These three-point games,

Speaker 9 you know, that's going to go ahead and actually

Speaker 9 change where it's a sack fumble now.

Speaker 9 That three-point game can be a switch from, you know, a loss to a win of three points or or six points or seven points whatever that may be yeah

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Speaker 9 so now let's get back to our steelers then okay what you want what you want what you want to hit tell me what you want to talk about your man adam scheffler chef shefter

Speaker 9 is talking about cam hayward maybe sitting out for the season opener

Speaker 9 cam sitting out for the season what's going on over there there? Give me,

Speaker 9 I don't know.

Speaker 9 I think he got two years left on his contract, don't he? He just signed a two-year extension. He got two more left.
I think he signed it.

Speaker 9 He signed a two-year extension last offseason, which gave him this year and next year for contracts. So he got this year.
Oh, he has a deal for next year.

Speaker 9 So last offseason, he signed a two-year extension because he only had one year left on his deal. So then he played that.
And now he has this one and next year from the extension he signed last year.

Speaker 9 Yeah, so he did set out a portion of training camp and didn't uh rule out sitting the start of the regular season until he gets what he wants.

Speaker 9 Uh, Hayward was practicing with the team on Monday, which suggests he's going to play, but Adam Scheffner says there's still a possibility Cam Hayward doesn't suit up,

Speaker 9 they're not,

Speaker 9 they haven't, they have not been able to figure it out, And so I would think

Speaker 9 it's going to be really interesting to see if Cam Hayward is on the practice field on Wednesday as the Stillers get ready for their

Speaker 9 season, as the Stillers get ready to open their season on Sunday against the Jets.

Speaker 9 It's about to get interesting there.

Speaker 9 And again, maybe Cam Hayward says, I'm not going to play on this deal.

Speaker 9 It didn't sound that way earlier in the summer, but we'll find out what the deal look like joe what's the what's on the deal the deal was two years 29 million so first year this season he'll this year he'll be making 14.7 and next year he'll be making like 14.2

Speaker 9 so i think he's looking i mean i i

Speaker 9 i love the steelers because i mean this is going to be cam's going to new year what 13 year 13 14.

Speaker 9 so i mean his production and everything i understand what he's saying has not slipped so there's defensive tackles.

Speaker 9 I think it's up there, bro.

Speaker 9 We got defensive ends, obviously, now, $47 million a year with Micah Parsons. We got TJ White at 41.
We got

Speaker 9 Miles Garrett at 40. And he's kind of looking at it with him making 14.7, Pro Bowls, and all that stuff.

Speaker 9 Like, just like, maybe they don't deserve double what I'm getting. I mean, maybe they deserve double of what I'm getting, not triple.
So he's making 14.6.

Speaker 9 Maybe Cam just wants a little little six million dollar bonus you know what i'm saying to make it around 20 million but he did sign the extension i can see where the steelers are coming from where man cam this is going to be year 13 year 14 we got 14.7 we got 14.2 the next two years man yeah you're good

Speaker 9 we're giving you real bread so i can see where they're coming from and then with cam as the player as production wise what he has done is a little up from what his what his uh contract is making but you can see how it's a little bit of both.

Speaker 9 This is like his fifth contract with the Steelers, and it's not a bad deal. Like

Speaker 9 a defensive tackle on year 13, 14, making 14, 7, 14, two.

Speaker 9 Those are good numbers. Those are good numbers.

Speaker 9 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 So it's not a disrespectful thing, but for Cam being the player, knowing this is going to be kind of his way out, trying to get as much as he possibly can, because it is a business.

Speaker 9 He knows if he was playing bad. they might have did some other stuff they might have

Speaker 9 easily he could have they could have just let him slide you know what i'm saying but he knows the reason why he is still there is because of his production it's not no friendly stuff it is because you know what i'm saying i'm performing on the field so yeah i just i don't know what it is that makes me think that he's not going to sit out unless i tell you what

Speaker 9 i see cam sitting out only if in his head he's saying I'll retire if you don't give me what I want.

Speaker 9 That's the only way I see him sitting out. Because if you sit out

Speaker 9 like

Speaker 9 you got two years on your deal, what you go do? Sit out till it's over with for a couple years? Yeah.

Speaker 9 And that's I think the only way he would sit out is if the thought process is, if I don't get what I want, I'm not going to play for this and I'll just retire because it's not worth it for me to do it at this number and put my body through whatever it is that I need to do

Speaker 9 to get ready and stay ready for the season that's the only way i see him actually he kind of complain this year is that he says that sounds like that sounds like it like like an aaron donald like an aaron donald knowing end of the day he can walk away unless he gets what unless he gets the number he wants if he doesn't feel like 14 million dollars a year touching taxes of 8 million to go to his thing where he's like no i should be making 20 where i could tuck 10 11 like 12 million dollars you know i'm saying after the season then it's just really he's good you know i'm saying that i mean that sounds crazy to say but being able to be in cam and be in the position that he is like with his body with his family um not wanting to do it that would be i think you like you said that'd be the way being able to sit out and be like this i'm willing to walk away but i think cam's still ready to play still wants to go and if you do play cam you still got another 30 m's you know what i'm saying coming in these next two seasons so i would hunker down yeah i would Yeah, I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 9 I did. I did it for way less, baby.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 But, you know,

Speaker 9 I wasn't trying to count anything else, but what, you know, was good enough for me to go out there and

Speaker 9 play and be okay with it. So a thousand percent.
And that's it. That's, that's on what, that's, and that's on Cam.
He, he knows, he knows this number.

Speaker 9 He knows what's going to make him good and what he feels like he deserves. So more power to him because that's my good man.
He a baller. He gonna, hopefully everything works out for sure.

Speaker 9 Hopefully it works out. You know, even if it don't, hopefully it still works out.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 Look, we be talking about my man taking 14, seven or getting some more money. So it's just, it's a win-win.
No question. So Matthew Stafford will start the season opener against the Texans.

Speaker 9 Will Stafford finish the season?

Speaker 9 as he deals with the aggravated disc in his back.

Speaker 9 I don't know.

Speaker 9 I don't know. I love Matthew Stafford, man.
I played against him since he was at Georgia and I was at Florida. He had AJ Green there.
So we had some battles ever since 2008. So that I love his game.

Speaker 9 He also has a cannon of an arm, great competitor, plays hurt. You know what I'm saying? Like, I really, really love his game.

Speaker 9 But you know, that thing, that health, that thing is always going to catch up with you. Can't nobody run away from that.
So I think as long as his line tries to keep him upright, but he's a gangster.

Speaker 9 He's going to stay in the pocket. He's going to stare down the barrel.
So, I mean, it's just, I don't know, depending on what

Speaker 9 it looks like, I don't know. I think as long

Speaker 9 as he doesn't have a catastrophic event where it like just totally herniates, he'll be able to make it. Because I myself went through a whole

Speaker 9 14 weeks all the way up to the Super Bowl

Speaker 9 where

Speaker 9 I had

Speaker 9 herniate this in my in my back.

Speaker 9 And

Speaker 9 it was the year we ended up losing to

Speaker 9 Green Bay in the Super Bowl. So I'm sitting there, dude, and

Speaker 9 as the beginning of the week goes on, I'm taking the T-shot and

Speaker 9 the T-shot would make it go away. So I would play, you know, my first game, it was cool.

Speaker 9 You know, second game, it was a cool third game, I took the T-shot and I'm like, yo, I can still feel something.

Speaker 9 So I believe it was the fourth game came along and it wasn't touching it no more. I'm like, yo, like, y'all got to check out what's going on.
I'm getting these pains down my legs.

Speaker 9 Like, you know, I'm getting the sciatic pain. I'm getting this stinging pain in my Achilles, you know, all that.

Speaker 9 And, you know, it got to the point to where, you know, I was playing and I go to step on that foot to turn the corner, dude, and my whole leg just boom, gone. Oh, no.
I just fall. Right.

Speaker 9 So they did an MRI. they do the mri i go in and uh

Speaker 9 they're like

Speaker 9 get the mri report and doc like yo you need to come in so i go in and he's testing me out and he's like james you know just looking at your back you know i would say that you you need to have something done right now he said but you you know you testing out strong and all that and i'm like yeah i'm strong when i'm strong but when it ain't it's gone yeah you know what i'm saying so basically it was an option of get the surgery now.

Speaker 9 You're out six weeks, right?

Speaker 9 Or get the surgery after the season. So I'm like, well, let's just get the surgery now, man.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 Okay.

Speaker 9 End up talking to, you know, I guess the training staff and everything else and whatever. And they're like, well, let's just go.
until, you know,

Speaker 9 you can't go anymore, right? So I'm like, all right, cool. I'm like, I'm willing to do it anyway.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 I want to play. I want to win.
I want to help my team. You know what I'm saying? Because I looked at my dudes, his family.
You know what I'm saying? That's 100%. What year was this?

Speaker 9 This was 2010, man. But the year, the year they, the year before they locked us out.

Speaker 9 So

Speaker 9 I go and I'm playing. And dude, I had two times where,

Speaker 9 you know, I had one time they had to come get me. I couldn't get out to bed, bro.

Speaker 9 I had two times where I actually got an epidural dude on a

Speaker 9 pregnancy epidural. Yes.
So they take

Speaker 9 they take and um they do it you know uh fluoroscope guided and they go to the site where the disc is and they inject uh cortisone and some numbing stuff uh sorry uh cortisone yeah cortisone and some numbing stuff so when they hit it it's like boom i'm like oh because it's taking that pressure off of the nerve that the disc is pressing on.

Speaker 9 So it was my, it was my S1 L5, L5, L4.

Speaker 9 It was my lumbar. So it was pressing all those nerves.
That's why I was getting a sciatic.

Speaker 9 And that's why, you know, a couple of times my leg just dropped and give out on, you know, so I lose, lose power and all that.

Speaker 9 Yeah, yeah. So

Speaker 9 I go and I, you know, I play through it. You know, you played the whole season with that being able to go.

Speaker 9 I played, yeah, I played 12 weeks with it being able.

Speaker 9 And I also was getting a lot of soft tissue work. So I was doing things like, you know, I was getting dry needle.

Speaker 9 So I was getting my pair of spinals needle, which is the muscles in between your spine to make sure that, you know, I was able to keep that as loose as possible so it didn't squeeze down on that nerve, right?

Speaker 9 What was your practice schedule like? You practice normal, bro. Practice normal.
I practice normal. I didn't, I didn't change nothing about my practice, bro.

Speaker 9 Like, I love to practice because I'm not a person that can sit there and look at a scheme. I need to be out there doing it.
I need to feel what I'm going to get. No, no, no, for sure.

Speaker 9 So, I go through, I go through that, that, that whole thing, man. I get through the season and

Speaker 9 we get done. We lose the Super Bowl, right? So I'm sitting there and I'm like, okay.

Speaker 9 They're like, well, you know, let's go ahead and do the surgery now. I'm like, you know, let's hold off.
You said it's a possibility that it could retract back, whatever, da, da, da, da, right?

Speaker 9 So they're like, ah, well, they're about to lock us out. I don't know if you want to wait that long.

Speaker 9 And,

Speaker 9 you know, it's kind of close to the nerves that control your bowel and bladder function. I say, what that mean? Well, if it gets that,

Speaker 9 you get pissed and poop on yourself. That's what I thought it meant.
I'm like, so you got to do this. Y'all ain't telling me this.
I could have been shit. Y'all ain't telling me this

Speaker 9 back 12 weeks ago. Like, come on.

Speaker 9 So

Speaker 9 ended up getting the surgery. And here's the crazy thing.
It's like, I know my body so well, bro, that I'm sitting there and I'm

Speaker 9 like seven days out of surgery. and I'm like, Doc, hey, something ain't right.
I'm still feeling a little, a little something on there.

Speaker 9 Like, oh, it might be, you know, the train said, Oh, it might be swelling or whatever.

Speaker 9 I'm like, No, it ain't swelling. I know my body, man, it's not.
So, they had me go do another MRI. He came back in, he said, Yeah, we got to go back in.
We ain't get it all.

Speaker 9 So, what they missed, Debo, they had to go up another level. He was trying to be conservative and keep as much diss in there as he could, but he couldn't.
So, he went back in.

Speaker 9 So, I had two back surgeries in nine days and didn't

Speaker 9 do none of my therapy with the team because they locked us out. So I did all my therapy with my trainer in Arizona.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Speaker 9 And I, dude, I think that was the best thing that ever happened.

Speaker 9 He took care of you. Yes, definitely, dude.
Definitely. I know guys that had it done.

Speaker 9 I think one or two guys had it done the same year I did. And neither one of them played more than two more years after that.
I played another seven.

Speaker 9 So, you know, I did the right thing to take care of my body to make sure that I actually helped fix what was causing the issue.

Speaker 9 That's like a lot of guys who go and have these knee issues and they say, oh, well, you know, it's just wear and tear. Well, it ain't wearing tears.

Speaker 9 It's probably a muscle, especially when it's in your knee. It's a muscle that's somewhere in your quad, your hamstring, even in your calf that's not firing the same.

Speaker 9 So if you fix that firing of the mechanism of the muscle the knee now works in that same groove correctly and you don't get the wear and tear but what they do is they treat the symptom the symptom is that it's now not moving correctly and the symptom is it's now shaving off cartilage so what do they do they go in there drain your knee or they scope it down instead of actually fixing the problem that

Speaker 9 yeah

Speaker 9 yeah that put band-aids on stuff right right right

Speaker 9 so i think it's a possibility as as long as he has

Speaker 9 a good team behind him that

Speaker 9 he could finish the year, like I said, bearing any real, you know, catastrophic,

Speaker 9 you know, thing that would cause it to actually totally herniate or God for people ruptured. That's just, man, that's his left tackle, making sure he don't get blown by.
And he, Matthew Stafford,

Speaker 9 it's so easy to get that back blown out.

Speaker 9 I'm telling you, man, that quarterback, man, the quickest way Matthew Staff would be out of there is a blind side so vegas has lamar jackson as the top for the mvp odds reigning mvp josh allen joe burrow and their

Speaker 9 i can't see that word

Speaker 9 harris beneath beyond

Speaker 9 him are plus 600 and Patrick Mahomes rounding out the top four at plus 650.

Speaker 9 Ooh,

Speaker 9 is this the year Lamar Jackson puts it all together and not only wins the MVP, but puts up the Lombardi trophy, brother? What do you think?

Speaker 9 So, you know, obviously, we in the North play for the Steelers. That's why I'm saying no.
I hate it. I hate Browns.
I know you're going to hate. I'm going to hate.

Speaker 9 I'm from Maryland. You know what I'm saying? So, honestly, this is my thing.
Patrick Mahomes has so many of the rings. He's controlling the AFC North.
I love him. I love Patrick Mahomes, too.

Speaker 9 He's a good man, him and Trav. But what I want is Lamar.
I just don't want people to keep disrespecting Lamar's greatness.

Speaker 9 And I don't think if he doesn't get a Super Bowl ring, then people won't understand how great Lamar Jackson really is and what he's really doing in this league.

Speaker 9 So, I mean, he's going to MVP odds every season, regular season, they're going to ball out. Lamar Jackson has his legs, he's quick, he's fast.

Speaker 9 He's going to do Lamar Jackson things the whole season, and they got a solid defense, too. Do you think he's going to get that Lombardi this year?

Speaker 9 I thought for real, it was last year. So this year, I'm going to say no.

Speaker 9 I thought last year was the year. They looked so good.

Speaker 9 I was honestly quietly rooting. I was rooting for him.
I was rooting for Lamar. But then last year, when I was like, this,

Speaker 9 what happened? It just did. It just didn't happen.
Yeah, it seemed like they get into the playoffs and it's

Speaker 9 health issues with guys not being there. And then they just unravel.
I don't know. And I don't know what it is.
I don't know what it is going on

Speaker 9 i don't yeah but i ain't gonna lie i i would rather anybody else want it except for cleveland cincinnati or baltimore i was okay i know what you're saying but i i know what you said bro i'm hating i ain't gonna lie to you man i think we about out of time man listen gotta be honest be honest obviously you don't want them to win no question no question bro no question listen like we like i said we about about out of time man want to thank you guys for joining us for this podcast of debo and joe hit the like button subscribe we'll be back at it on friday

Speaker 9 we'll be back friday make sure you subscribe to debo and joe or i'm gonna have debo oh yo I don't even know what this is, but I think that's my son's way of putting up three now.

Speaker 9 I told him to put it up like that, but I don't know if he's listening. But this is three.
Now,

Speaker 9 I seen it in a movie where it got a dude killed because he was supposed to put up three,

Speaker 9 but he put up three like this, and they knew that that wasn't the right three because that area they put up three like this, so they knew he was a spy. You gotta got shot up.

Speaker 2 All right, now, y'all have a good one.

Speaker 9 We'll get back to you on Friday.

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