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How you doing today, Joe? Great day, great day. Another day on the pod with my good man Debo.
Can't wait to get into these topics, man. It was a lot going on.
A lot of things to talk about.

Definitely, definitely. The first thing we're going to talk about, though, is how the, you know, UNC went over there and got their face beat in.
Got it.

48 to 14, man. You know,

I guess that was Bill's

welcome to college party i i would say it wasn't no joke he's letting them know man these boys did not come to play tcu was not playing with them bro yeah definitely um so you know looking at it uh

you know i think the the defense uh personally um just looking at it they they just got they just got dominated um i think on both sides of the ball when you look at it the offensive and defensive lines uh they were they were getting moved around um the whole game yeah, yeah, the whole game.

On top of that, you, you know, you got guys not, you know, catching passes, you got guys missing tackles, dropping punts, everything that, you know, when I was there, that they harped on fundamentals, you know what I'm saying?

You know, see what you're supposed to see, be where you're supposed to be, and do what it is that you're supposed to do.

And, you know, you had guys that just looked like they were totally out of position. Um,

you know, big plays, it was nothing like you normally see of a they looked lost, Debo. They looked lost.
They looked like they were ill-prepared and uncoached.

And that is not what you see in the Bill Belichick type defense or a team. The one thing they're going to do is be coached.
They are going to have eye discipline. They're going to tackle.

They're going to be in the right position.

It's not, they might not be the most athletic people, but the one thing they're going to do is they're going to be in the right place and make the right play at the right time.

They looked completely lost. When they first started off the game, it was all good.
The first drive, first pass, crossed, big over, boom, everybody's hype. First drive, they score.

And from that, it's funny how the table is. What was it like 40-something? Well,

like non-six.

40-something unanswered. That's exactly what it was, Debo.
Yeah.

He threw the pick six.

That's not something you could do, man. No, the pick six before halftime killed them.
And then coming out of half. I don't think that killed him.
I think they didn't regroup at halftime.

Normally, you know, when you get in there, especially when I was there with bill he has a plan you know in place and he puts that plan in place and okay this is what we're going to do this is what we're going to adjust to and you come out you adjust to it and you know i think he's very good at adjusting to to halftime but again you're you're in college you know what i'm saying and it's a you know it's a difference between you know college and the pros you know how hard do you think it is to go from coaching in the nfl to college i think it's i think it's very hard i think because when you have professionals that understand that it's, it's not no longer, we're not doing this for fun.

This is our profession. This is our job.

What's on film is our resume.

So you're speaking to grown men and when you tell them one time, they shouldn't be able to, you shouldn't make the same mistake twice in the league or you're going to be out the way.

In college, it's more.

Man, like,

dude, do you get this or do you don't? You know what I'm saying? I think it's harder to coach those kids than it is to coach professionals.

And now with those kids being NIL guys, these kids are also now getting paid these kids are also now looking at bill like what you gonna tell me you know what i'm saying i'm making a million dollars here playing a little game i can go somewhere else next year you know i'm saying i got this so not being able to have the maturity of like you can't really coach these dudes up because now they looking at you like who you talking to you know what i'm saying instead of the respect factor that he used to have in college where you coach me when he was telling us what to do he was the law there's nothing over meyer myra is not going to let us play if he we go somewhere else you had to sit out a year you couldn't just go to another school and then go play no you had to go do what cam did he went juco then he had to go to auburn there's steps so kids are acting a little bit different so i think that's going to be a whole lot tougher for him to coach but i was saying like you said too the halftime part pick going into the second half now you have the whole halftime to figure it out get your changes get your execution first play debo the man ran 75 yards untouched and scored again right out of halftime the first

that's not that's not the adjustment you want to you want that's not, you didn't do any adjustments. You didn't crazy.
That's something else. The big difference, you know, is you're recruiting now.

You actually have to go out here and find the guys that you need to get. That's a whole nother process.
You don't have a whole scouting department to go out there and get what it is that you need.

Oh, you need to get.

Again,

you have grown men out here. They're trying to put food on their table.
They're trying to feed their family.

It's going to be a lot more motivation to go out there and get it done Where you got these, you know, 17 to 20-something-year-old kids, and you know, they got money in their pocket now, you know,

exactly,

a hundred thousand dollars. That's that's that's a big thing to them.
And I think another thing with college is that you know, they've really limited the amount of time.

I think that's what we're seeing in the tackling, they've limited the amount of time that these guys could go out here and do live drills, go and tackle, go and you know, perfect their craft.

And I think that's a big big issue of why we were seeing, you know, so many missed tackles.

No, I think so too. You're exactly right.
I mean, it's live reps. They're taking out the live reps.
They want dudes to, they're trying to protect people's heads and all of the protocols.

Being able to go full speed and get those live tackling reps, being able to get those angle tackles. That doesn't happen.

It's a big difference between running up here and breaking down. Oh, I was formed up, ready to go.

Okay, but what happens when he decides that he's not going to cut away from you and he lowers his shoulder and he's going to dip it down? Now he's going to run you over.

Those things that in practice, you have to go through

to be able to, you know, get that day in and day out. So that when you get into that game, you know what? I can see the adjustment.

You know, it may be a little late, but I'm not going to miss this whole tackle because I've been coming up here all practice, squatting down, form fitting, looking pretty.

And now, you know, he go ahead and he put that right down on my ass. And I'm sitting there on my back with my feet kicked up in the air.
Yeah. You know, like a horse that done got

put down, you know? For sure, for sure, for sure. Because dude can run all the way up to the right position, stand there, and then look, bang.
Now you get back.

What are you going to do when you get there? You going to drive through him? Are you going to go through the target? Are you going to become, you know what I'm saying? Right.

A speed bump.

Yeah. Yeah.
I don't,

I don't,

I don't,

dang, man. I just, I don't, I don't think I would ever go from coaching in an NFL NFL to

coaching in college because again, especially in today's era, you lose a lot of the motivation that

guys have

when you're in the pros versus now in college. You know, you got some of these guys out here, they could mess around and actually make

generational money, you know, millions of dollars if they're smart with it and have

financial understanding of what it is they need to do. And you're sitting here as their position position coach trying to tell them what to do.

That's that's a hard role to hold a thousand percent, man. Yeah, a thousand percent.
They had that role over us because we couldn't even do anything.

That name and likeness, you couldn't get a haircut, you couldn't get a free tattoo. That means Tim Sheryl Prowd got kicked out of school for getting free tattoos, like right crazy, dude.

That wasn't that long ago, you know what I'm saying? That wasn't that long ago that we couldn't actually do a thing, we couldn't have no money. Like, they want us to be legitimately broke.

They're like, Oh, you getting your uh, you're paying, they're paying for your housing.

I'm like, so like, if a dude was in my class that was an artist and made it a painting, he could sell that painting for $250,000 and nobody going to say nothing to him.

But I can't go do an autograph signing, Joe Hayden at the University of Florida, make a couple thousand dollars because I ain't got it. They like this.
That's against this NCAA. Like, huh?

If they don't, that's my

dinner. That's me.
A dinner could get you a fruit. A dinner could get you, get you popped.
You know what I mean? Anything, bro. Anything.

So that was crazy, like not being able to do that and just being able to not have no money. So now these dudes are, I

appreciate it. I love it, but at the same time, that's what gives them a little bit more, like,

you can't really tell me nothing, but I, I mean, I, I don't, I don't, I don't like that part. I think they can still be able to grind, still be able to get it.

Cause that's the thing, what I loved about college when we was there. I think that made us want to get it out the mud because you still didn't have nothing.
You know what I'm saying?

You were still in it with your boys. Nobody's going to go back to the situation.
All y'all broke, man.

So we like, you know, that's something that I see, I see now with, you know, current, current players and some of their kids.

It's like, yo, you know, even me, I'm like, I done made it too comfortable for these dudes. Like,

my, you know, my oldest son finally dropped down and started, started really grinding into it, but it was only after he had a couple of surgeries, you know what I'm saying?

And now he has to have another one tomorrow. But, you know.
I was in a situation where I'm like, yo, I got to grind. I got to go out here.

I don't want to, I don't want to be in the situation I grew up in.

I didn't know I was poor, Joe, until I got to college and realized like yo everybody don't live how we was living back here like we ain't got no money we actually like we actually waiting we we folding up antennas to make sure you get the tv to work and all this other stuff

break you got to wait for sure

it ain't just go get a new one and everything else like you saying too though that's the thing you know you're your surroundings like everybody that's around you is kind of in the same situation the internet being able to get on tick tock being able to see everybody how everybody's living miles away and fake living you know i'm saying because all that stuff is yes how did their perspective what they put out you always want to live up with the joneses keep up with the joneses when you was in your neighborhood you was riding your bike to your man street up the street and y'all was playing football in the street until the lights came back on you wasn't sitting there looking to see oh what little johnny got uh that lives in california with his family that's just traveling and doing that stuff you figuring out what you got

you up here window shopping daydreaming trying to compare your life to somebody's life that ain't even really what they putting on there for nothing they just fronting, you know what I'm saying?

Got you, got you depressed, got you stressed out over something that doesn't even need to be nothing. You know what I'm saying?

So just a whole different, it's just a whole different era, but that grind, that like wanting to get it, that that

grit that we had, some of that stuff, you can't put it into everybody. Some people ain't built like that.
You know what I'm saying? The grind, man. Like, we got, we got, we got the top 100 come out.

And I guess we got

Barkley, St. Clair's Barkley ranked as number one.

Are you surprised surprised it's a running back at the top? I'm not going to lie. Over a quarterback.

Over a quarterback, I would say yes, but Saquon is

deserving of it. You know what I'm saying? Like, I do think there's been like his season, his year that he had, what he did for the Eagles, what he did for the Senate.

That's what they don't understand. And I'm not surprised by it at all.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But I think.
Especially what he did.

Coming to that team that year and going and getting the ultimate goal in the game is the reason they got him. And he made that happen.
He helped make that.

He was a huge part of that along with the season he had,

plays he had. Yes, I'm, you know, I'm not upset about it.
I'm not surprised by it. I'm good with it.

I'm good with it. I'm happy for him.
And I'm happy that just it shows that NFL players, they don't like the way that some people saying like the contracts and running backs are going down.

It just shows that this is your players, your people, your peers. You know what I'm saying? They recognize your game.
They like this.

This dude had the best season, is the best player in the league right now. And having Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Jamar Chase, Patrick Mahomes right behind them speaks volumes.

And I can see them saying that, man, that dude was the best player of the season. You know what I'm saying?

That's all you want from your peers. Hey, hey, speaking of that, what was your highest rating, Joe? 23.

You know what your highest rating was? I don't know. 23.

Oh, I know that. Man, I was watching that joint.
I'm like, man, they better get me lower than low. I got the 23.
I was 30. I was 39 and then 23.
Yeah, 23 was my highest, though. Okay.
Okay.

I couldn't even tell you what my highest was. I don't.
We're going to get on that research, James. I know you guys.

I don't know. I ain't going to lie.
I don't know.

I don't know.

How much you think guys care about that, though?

I mean,

honestly, if you...

You just want to be recognized by your peers for what you do. And that's why we, I think we played it to be the best at our position.
We didn't just do it to be out there.

So, the recognition, like the grind, we're trying, we want to be the best that we can be. We're already in the league, and that's what happens.

But now, once you're in the league, I want to be the best in the league, I want to be all-pro, I want to go to the pro bowls, I want to win Super Bowls.

So, that's just in your own mental when you're competing against yourself, like in this joint. Here's the

best. We won our first Super Bowl, which was in

2005,

Detroit. And I was a special teams player, right

and i mean it's i'm

what i'm going to say is going to sound kind of crazy but i was a special teams player okay and i was like this don't this don't feel like you know what i what i see on tv i'm like well i'm like maybe it'll it'll feel different you know if i was a starter and you know i'm you know i'm more of a part of the of the actual you know team for the whole sea all you know all that so you know you fast forward to 2008 and you know we went in in tampa and

i remember sitting on the podium dude not not even the podium it was a camera that was out there and it had a little round cylinder around it so i sat down on on that and i'm looking around

and this gonna sound crazy i was like

it still felt the same

it was like

Watching it on TV, bro,

was way more exciting than actually being there and winning it

like when you look at the tv bro like they they they sell you everything so when you're looking at the tv you're watching every player celebrate here celebrate there so it's like boom boom boom boom boom boom confetti all this

and i'm sitting there and i'm like i see the confetti falling it's like cameras looking at me and i'm like

I'm like, yeah, it's cool, but it ain't like they show it on TV.

Was your folks there? Was your family there? Yeah.

Yeah, dude, I was so tired. As soon as the game hit and it was over with.
You was exhausted. I was exhausted, bro.
I sat down. I just took my helmet off, dude.

And I was just, I just had my head like, I was just like this. And I look up and I'm looking around

and I'm just like.

Damn, it still ain't like you see it on TV. Damn, brody.
Your ass was drained, Debo. yeah drained you was mentally and bro i took two bags at halftime bro see that's what i'm saying yeah

is this the one which is which is this the one when you did the pick six yeah yeah oh yeah you man you couldn't breathe yeah yeah

you was exhausted listen i was actually hurt a little bit though but because when i hit my head my neck hit the ground first and it kind of crunched um i started to jump back up and when i went to go jump back up it it cracked again.

And RC was already standing over me. I'm like, hey, get the trainers.
Get the trainers.

I couldn't breathe either, though. Like, real talk.

I just couldn't believe you didn't fumble that joint too. You held onto the rock, hit your neck, and scored, Debo.
That joint was unbelievable, brother. I had a whole squad, man.

I had dudes that threw two blocks, bro. Oh, no, for sure.
That helped me get down there. And that was something that we ended up practicing, dude, like

that whole week dude in um

in uh tampa when we were down there and coach the bow was giving us the stats on your percentages of winning if you get a turnover if you get a defensive touchdown dude it was something like it was close to 90 you get a defensive touchdown dude so that whole week you already knew it didn't matter if we caught the ball and got a pick at the one yard line the whole defense ran taking it back to the house take it to the house they just waited for us to get back

And, you know, practice made perfect. It's a mindset.
Y'all went in that joint. If somebody gets it, we're taking it back to the crib.
Yes. No matter what.
No, we're going to pitch it back.

If we got to pitch it back, but you, no, I'm going to get busy. I'm going to jump over, buddy.
You know what I'm saying? Take it up. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I had my running back skills come out. You know what I'm saying? You had it high and tight.
Like, I could have went. I could have went either way.
At the end, I ain't going to rely.

I ain't have it high and tight no more. I was kind of holding that mud like a loaf of bread like this.
You know what I'm saying? I had it like this.

The crazy thing is, when Fitz came off the side, if he had actually swiped down and just hit the ball, it would have popped out.

He missed and hit my chest. It gave me time to cover it up.
Okay. That was the only thing, you know what I'm saying? That's a lot of fun.
Running back skills was in play. You know what I'm saying?

And speaking of running backs,

we got a little thing from Thurman Thomas here.

Rather than rewarding running backs for production once their rookie contracts expire, Thurman Thomas is upset that teams are instead letting them go and moving on to the next younger and cheaper player he says you still deserve a contract the first team you put the first team has put you through hell and yet i'm still ready to go

haven't had any injuries now

give me my damn money

It's not even receiver money. It's like we're hanging with the punters and the kickers.

What do you think of the

comments first, but the use of running backs now? Like, what do you think has been the change? Why do they, I mean, when you look at it, like, they're getting rid of guys younger and younger.

If you're not one of those top five running backs, you're, you know, they're getting you out of there. Bro, a thousand percent.
And like you said, Jane, you know what it is. It's a business.

so if you're they're going to use you up rookie contract them first three years you know what i'm saying hopefully if you stay that the part is they you're expected to get hurt you know what i'm saying so the running backs and then you can draft a running back they say in the second round the third round you can get running backs a little bit all over jale jalen warren for example he's a great running back that we didn't draft high you know what i'm saying and ended up being able to sign up for the low so it's messed up but understanding like saquan barkleys are going to be the reasons why great running backs to end up just high production you're going to have to take a shorter term deal with guaranteed money these two years fully guaranteed joints if they're doing the two year for getting 15 million dollars a year saquan just did a two year for 40 million dollar extension now the market the highest paid running back is at 20 million dollars a year understanding he got 36 guaranteed it's going to be more guaranteed the shorter term hey what up y'all it's dj envy from the breakfast club now picture this you open the car door you step inside and there's no driver in the front seat the car is driving itself, handling everything from pickup to drop off.

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Term deal when you start coming off your rookie contracts, and it's just because

you're going to get 100% injury in the nfl and they're giving you the ball all the time so just got to be able to get on that for a little bit uh shorter term deal and just bet on yourself it sucks but it's the nfl that's the way that they're going and they're not trying

it is a business so just keep that in perspective and i love the way the eagles and saquan they did it right you know what i'm saying cook and the bills just these little short-term deals with 15 16 17 that's solid money hopefully like when you get saquan to put it up to 20 we get another running back that continues hopefully balls out, Bijan Robinson.

Hopefully, he can get up there in this next, stay healthy, get to 22. So, I see it going up, but just knowing it's going to be more short-term deals with guaranteed money because it's a business.

You are a running back. They can figure out they can come get you,

get you, get you, find somebody coming out of college or get somebody for a little bit less that's going to do a lot of good production.

Like, if they're like, you know, when Thurman Thomas played, it was, it was a totally, you know, it was a totally different game. It was, it was, you know, it was run heavy.
It was a physical game.

And them guys

played longer careers because that's what the game was.

You had a big, you know, had a big offensive line. You had a big defensive line.
And you went out there and you tried to push the other guy around.

Right. And if you had a good running back, which you were nice fullback blocking, that's just what the game came to.
Right now, it is a pass-heavy game, dude.

You know, everything they want to do is for scoring.

They did things that help by, you know, changing the rules to make it easier for them to score. Exactly.
Yeah, you know, it's offensive base rules for the majority of things that's going on.

Can't touch the quarterbacks. They make it sound.

Yeah. Yeah, again, the wear and tear, you know, on a running back, especially if you're paying one running back that much,

it's hard. You know, you got a lot of people who are, not a lot of teams, you got a few teams who are now using, you know, a couple guys, you know, and finding a way to get the money situated to where

they can keep both. I think Detroit is one of those people that got it to

running backs over there that really

complement each other. You got a speed guy, you got a power guy, and

they're having some real success with their run game over there. That's the best combination, the best running back combination, I think, in the league for sure.
Yeah.

I got to figure out what their contract situation is too, how how much they make in a year, because however they finagled that, other teams need to look and see how to finagle that.

Well, you got to have, you got, here's the thing. I think you got to have guys who are willing to be like, I know what my worth is and have a realistic number of what their worth is.

Although you want to get paid as much as you can at some point, if you're trying to do this to actually make money and for the longevity of it, the longer you can play, the more money you can make.

I think having two running backs is more beneficial for a person that is playing, you know, the running back position. No, I think so too.
You're right.

Wear and tear on them, have to carry and just seeing as long as that money's looking good for you. You don't have to be the highest person to set the market.

But if you're comfortable, your family's comfortable, you like your income, stay right there. Keep it cruised.
You know what I'm saying?

So I don't think you need to always shake it up, always try to get out of a situation like that.

So I think for sure, we're looking at if I'm going to get the ball all the time, they're going to keep punishing me, is it worth it?

Or am I going to be able to play a little bit longer if I got another dude with me that I'm splitting carries with? And we, you know what I'm saying, both could be here for a while.

Yeah, like you said, the workhorse is going to get paid. The money's going to go up.
But as a whole, at that position, you know, it's not.

I can get a guy in here that, you know, he hasn't had multiple surgeries on his knee. You know, he's coming in, you know, fresh out of college.

You know, they got the rules set to where these dudes aren't getting beat up like they used to.

And now he's, and he's hungry, you know what I'm saying? He's ready to get in there and try and take, right, try and take your spot. So, you know, it's easier to get that rookie contract.

You get him in there for four years. You start looking at the other, the next guy you want, you know, you know, a year or two before you got to get rid of him.

I mean, you're looking at the situation right now, like you said, with the Stillers.

They went and got

a top running back, and then they went and got another running back. And who's sitting there right now with the contract and who did they let go? This is a prime example of it.

What, you know, Thurman is talking about. Exactly.
Yeah. Exactly.

So speaking of the Stillers, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady said that Aaron Rodgers is the most talented quarterback in NFL history.

He said, Aaron in his prime, to me, is the greatest passer of the football the league has ever seen.

He could get the ball from point A to point B faster and more accurate than any player in NFL history.

What do you think of those comments? See, so I'm going to say that I agree. And this is just before, before I even,

when I was growing up, this is 2002, 2003. I'm watching Aaron Rodgers.
And just from my eye test, it was Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, who was the better quarterback

in history, like trying to get the Super Bowls and all that. But with my eye test, I thought Aaron Rodgers threw the prettiest spiral, through the best pass that I've ever seen in my life.

Just the release of it, just the placement, just the way that he threw the ball. And that might not make him the greatest quarterback of all time with championships and Super Bowls.

That's like, that's for other people to debate. But from my eye test, when I was watching, my best favorite quarterback I ever seen throw the ball and put it in the spot was Aaron Rodgers.

And that is without before Tom Brady saying this, this is the way I felt, you know what i'm saying back in the day and i would say tom brady greater peyton manning may be greater but with my eye testing how you put the ball in certain spots and spin that joint like that i've never seen a bin it like aaron rodgers in my opinion i would i would agree i would agree with you and and and tom

because

the biggest thing for me is the speed at which he gets it there with the accuracy that he gets it there. Believe me, I've seen it firsthand.

And he's throwing this thing, it looks like with the flick of a wrist, dude, when he was doing it, and it's, it's on the money and it's spiraling everywhere.

Yes, it's like, it's like, it's like three, it's like three inches right out of your reach. And nobody can get it, but the receiver, you know what I'm saying? And that's coming like lightning.

You know what I'm saying? Like, it's, it was impressive. I've been in situations.
That was my first quarterback. I played him in my.
rookie season when I came out for the Browns.

We played Green Bay and Lambeau Field. First game in my career, first preseason game.
He went 10 for 10 on us and threw a touchdown. That's when he had like Donald Driver.
He had Jordi Nelson.

You let him go 10 for 10? He went 10 for 10 and I'm right there in the pocket, but I can't touch the ball. The receiver can touch the ball.
Bing, right out of my

he caught the joint, and then I tackled him. Catch and tackle, but I'm like, oh my, I'm right here.
Why are you still throwing it? Oh, that's a pick. No, it's not.
Oh, my God. Right out of my reach.

I'm falling, diving for the ball.

You know who I think was was great, like really great at throwing you out of being able to pick the ball was Tom, dude. You'd be like, oh, I've done broke on this.

And he would throw the ball to where it's going over your head to the receiver over his shoulder. And you spot him broke, dude.

Yes, looping it. Yes.
Looping it, bro. So I know, you know, it's been in the same Jordan Nelson.
I'm right there. And I'm like, he threw the fade ball and I'm right there.

and it went right over my hand. I'm like, this dude is unbelievable.
He's trying me and I can't touch it. I haven't touched the ball yet.

You couldn't even knock one down, Joe. I didn't get no PBUs.
None, not one. All completions.
They was catching it and I was tackling them. I was like, oh my God.

Like this, work on my hand. Oh my God, he got it.
Tackle.

Bro, it was crazy.

How many tackles you had that game, babe? Man, how many times did he threw it on me?

I had three tackles.

That man with three, you went 10 for 10. I told you, you went three for three on me.
And three good tackles. Boom.
Low tackles. Solid tackles, though.
You made sure

yak, though. No yak.
zero yak. No yak at all.
zero yak. Yeah.
Yeah. That's what I'm talking about.
That's what I'm talking about, man.

That was crazy. It was crazy.
Where was that at? It was in Lambeau Field, 2010.

It felt like to me, dude, he got

cold, man. It was beautiful outside.
It was a beautiful day. It was fucking August.

yeah he was whipping that thing man he was spinning that ball so well

yep yep yep that's yeah that's that's what that's one of those things you you can't you know it's nothing you do you can do to defend great no no no it's not about me it's about aaron it had nothing to do with me yeah it was all about i was a nameless i was a nameless

i was a nameless great face he saw through me that day he saw through all of us dude speaking to dude about none about him or nothing about you, let's roll over here to Miami.

Man, I guess, uh, Miami announced that they're captains for 2025 season, and uh,

there was uh

no Tariq on it. I guess for the first time since 2022, he was not voted a captain.

Uh, Mike McDonald, and Mike McDonald had a very

revealing quote. He said, We were focused on giving the keys to the

cap to the captains so to guys that had earned

uh-oh hold on to guys that had earned it each and every day that's what speaks to me the most is the football team that knows who it wants to be led by

Captain C to the guys. I got you.
All right.

So

with that, Tariq not not being selected. Are you surprised? What's your reaction to that?

I ain't going to lie to you, brother.

I'm not surprised at all.

Did you know, you remember at the end of the season,

I'm trying to be out of here. And you know, that could definitely at the end of the season.
Not only am I trying to be out of here, this man pulled himself out the game in the third quarter.

Come on, brother. So we acting like we acting like these are other grown men.

These are your teammates that are voting for the captain they seen that and like they wouldn't people just not gonna vote for that you know what i'm saying they don't feel like you all in and you said you wasn't all in i mean you apologized and everything but that's cool you still gonna be able to come in there they're gonna respect you and as long as you go out there and work Be grown.

I want you to work. I want you to play every day, be on time for meetings.
And when you out there, grind. And when you're on the field, grind and try to be the best you can be.
Be Tyreek.

That's all I need. I need nothing, no more, no less.

But making you a captain, after you said what you said, I'm not going to go in there feeling no type of way but you can actions speak louder than words you can show me better than you can tell me you coming in there working grinding doing what you got to do leading by example is what it's going to be but just it's okay you're not a captain i was i was on the teams where i was felt like i was a leader a couple of times that i wasn't a captain i was never a captain when i was on the steelers that's cam hayward tj it's going to be certain amount of captains so when they come there then you know you still going to be a valuable part just don't be bringing bad vibes come in here do your job and it's going to be what it is maybe next season if you come in there show leadership do what you got to do then you could be a captain but you know how that is you told us you got it yeah they ain't gonna i'm not voting for you yeah i think he let um

he let his emotional state right then uh

get

him into a situation that if he had just sat back and and had time to cool off and think about it I don't think he would have did and said the same things at that point.

I mean, when you go back to it, you know, that's his first time ever not being in the playoffs, bro. You know, his first time, I believe, having a losing season in the NFL.

So

I think it was a knee-jerk reaction, you know, to a situation that, you know, he saw as a permanent

situation that may continue. And was just like, yeah,

I'm going to be out of here. Do you think

it's cool, though, that he's not gonna be a captain? Do you really understand? Do you think

you're cool with it? Okay, I'm one, I'm 100% cool with it, dude. I have no issue with it at all.
Um, like you said, the team voted it, they they

according to them, the team voted it, they uh they made it to where uh they spoke by who they voted for, and you know, that that speaks for itself.

Um, it's sometimes where you know, some teams you vote, but they end up picking who they want.

what you laughing for Joe

I mean

you you that that that could be I could that could be could be could be yeah I'm just saying you know I've heard I've heard of it happening I heard I heard I've heard I've heard I've heard I've heard I would like to hope that it's like the lottery and it's legit but you never know

You never know unless you see it for yourself and then you saw it and you know.

So I'm just saying there's some teams that actually do

pick who it is. They want to be the leader for their team.
And sometimes they disguise it under the,

you know, the pretense of that's who the guys pick.

But it's kind of hard when it comes down to, you know, and guys are like, you pick who, you pick who? Like, who? Who voted for who?

Okay. So you know what I'm saying?

You speak, you saying, you just saying,

I'm catching what you putting down. down, you know what I'm saying? But I ain't trying to, you know.

I'm just saying, I'm just saying that, you know, that happens. So, okay.
That's all I was saying. Okay.
Yeah. But him not being voted, I mean, he even had, you know, he even understood it.

You know what I'm saying?

He took accountability, you know, for what he said. He's not surprised that he wasn't voted captain.

You know, he knows he's going to have to go in there and earn these guys, you know, trust back and

all that. You know, you say that.
You're basically saying that you don't want to be with us no more because we trash. Like,

you can't say that because you're not saying like us. You're saying, like, it's you, Joe.
You're trash. I don't want to be here.

I need to get out of here because I can go and do way more without y'all. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, he's telling y'all are trash.

I've won on other teams. I need to go back.

I was in Kansas City. They were better than y'all.
I need to go back. Yes.
That's what they felt like. For sure.
Now we skip on over to Dallas, man.

Trayvon Diggs has finally came out and defended Micah, saying that he felt everyone in Dallas, current locker room, liked Micah and thinks the rumors likely came from former Cowboys.

He said, I think everyone liked him. I feel like there are some former players who are not here no more who didn't like Micah.

There was a lot of us, I would say,

there was a lot of, I would say, hate, jealousy, envy towards him because of who he is and the production he does on the field.

Imagine if you came in here and you're thinking and you're taking somebody else, you're taking somebody's shine or taking somebody's spot, you're not going to like that.

They're going to feel a type of way, especially. if you're that type of person.
Ooh, that sounds like shots fired. It does.

You name any names, but I mean, do you think Diggs was referring to Demarcus Lawrence?

Oh,

I mean,

that sounds about right. They were saying

somebody's spot.

They was, I don't,

I'm just asking a question. I ain't.
Look, that's what I don't know. I don't, my name is Bennett and I ain't in it.

But I mean, the descriptions of what he's saying, it says, I think everyone liked him. I feel like there are some former players who are not here

no more who didn't like Micah. There was a lot of, I would say, hate, jealousy, envy, those are personal words towards him because of who he is and the production he does on the field.
So imagine.

if you came in here and you're taking somebody's shine so he took somebody, he was taking somebody's shine, right?

And taking somebody's spot, you're not going to like that, right? No, you're going to feel a type of way, especially if you're that type of person.

Now he's saying that person is that type of person, too. So I don't.

I'm just asking a question to you. Like, do you think he was referring to anybody in specific, maybe

Demarcus Lawrence? Or you, I don't know.

If you think yes or no, this, this, this is what I could possibly be.

I, that's what I'm saying. I, it's, it sounds like he's talking about somebody to play defensive end because he said taking his spot.
Right. So if we don't go from there,

previous defensive end that did there. Um,

I would say I love Trevon Diggs coming out because nobody's really came out in defense of Micah Parsons. I know that these dudes kick it.
They hang out. That's his boy.

So from Trayvon's perspective, it could be literally what it is. Like, that's my man's.
We cool. Trayvon also has his bag and knows that Micah Parsons out there balling deserves his bag.

He's been playing with me. We've been doing this together.
So he's out there, I think, trying to defend for his mans.

I don't know of the person that's not on the team anymore, but it sounds like another defensive end that was there that

maybe,

Debo, say it's like, yeah, obviously. You know what I'm saying? Like the same situation where we have, it's like a you and TJ come in where he's like, they not, maybe they didn't tell Demarcus.

Maybe they tried to play with him a little bit. You know what I'm saying? Like they tried to play with you and TJ a little bit.
You know what I'm saying?

Like that's probably, probably how it was and Demarcus don't play that. So he's probably vocalized how he felt.
You know what I'm saying?

And I think that some of that stuff, it doesn't have nothing to do with maybe Micah and.

Micah and his relationship as much as he thinks with

Demarcus and the Cowboys organization. You know what I'm saying? He might have talked to them, maybe not rocking.
Oh, you drafted this dude. Oh, who, what do y'all think is going on?

I'm just trying to go from devil's advocate because there's always two sides of the story.

I don't know what happened with Micah, I don't know what happened with DeMarcus, with Trayvon, what he's saying.

I'm just trying to put pieces of the puzzle, but I just sounding like

the puzzle kind of

fitting, you know, the pieces is fitting, you know, when you line it up. So I think it's a possibility.

Will I give a definite yes or no?

No.

I can't do that. No.

That's not. We can't do that.
That would be, that would not be

disingenuous

to the argument. Come on, Debo.
Right. Exactly.

So now,

speaking of Michael Parsons,

Dan Campbell said, Dan Campbell, we know what kind of player Michael Parsons is. We'll have a plan.
Does Micah Parsons put the Packers over the Lions in the NFC North? Do you think?

I mean,

it helps them out a lot. I mean,

I don't see why not. I mean,

the Packers are not a bad team. Jordan Love has been playing really good.
They beat.

They did good last season. And with just adding another defensive player, that's going to help out their secondary.
That's going to help out their pass rush.

And I don't think they have nowhere to go but up since Jordan Love with another year under his belt. He's done nothing but prove to me that he can actually be a franchise quarterback.

So if he can be a franchise quarterback and Michael Parsons can help that defense out, because

they don't look bad. They look like they're on the up and up.
They're drafting well. They're moving in the right direction.
So Packers are up for me. And like I said before, I've seen them.

They made a Reggie White trade with a quarterback. They made a Charles Woodson trade with a quarterback.
And now They got Jordan Love and then they made this Michael Parsons trade.

I'm liking them dudes knowing when they need to get a crazy piece on defense because they have a franchise quarterback. So I think the Packers look like they know what they're doing.

Yeah, I'm going to

go with, I think it puts the Packers

as the

guys in NFC North right now. You added in a pass rusher.
The games that they've played over the last year or two have been close games. When you take into account, you know, that

the

Lions, I believe, lost their o and d coordinator to head coaching positions you got to change right there um you got hutcheson coming back off of you know messing up his leg you got to build that confidence back at going out there especially you know how he you know ended up messing his leg up he swung around so you got to get used to it how long that's going to take i i hit and swing around is you know he's back full 100 but to get out there in live action when those bodies are flying around is a little different.

But I think, you know, having Micah there and you add him in there with

the current defensive line that they have, I think it puts them over the top. These three-point games,

you know, that's going to go ahead and actually

change where it's a sack fumble now.

That three-point game can be a switch from, you know, a loss to a win of three points or six points or seven points, whatever that may be.

So

game changer.

Yes, definite game changer. Like it's no quarter.
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Yeah.

So now let's get back to our steelers then. Okay.
What you want, what you want, what you want to hit? Tell me what you want. I want to talk about your man, Adam Scheffler.

Schefter

is talking about Cam Hayward maybe sitting out for the season opener.

Cam sitting out for the season opener, what's going on over there? Give me,

I don't know.

I think he got two years left on his contract, don't he? He just signed a two-year extension. He got two more left.
I think he signed it.

He signed a two-year extension last offseason, which gave him this year and next year for contracts. So he got this year.
Oh, he has a deal for next year.

So, last offseason, he signed a two-year extension because he only had one year left on his deal. So, then he played that, and now he has this one and next year for the extension he signed last year.

Yeah, so he did sell a portion of training camp and didn't rule out sitting the start of the regular season until he gets what he wants.

Uh, Hayward was practicing with the team on Monday, which suggests he's going to play, but Adam Scheffner says there's still a possibility

Cam Hayward doesn't suit up.

They're not,

they have not been able to figure it out. And so I would think

it's going to be really interesting to see if Cam Hayward is on the practice field on Wednesday as the Stillers get ready for their

season. as the Stillers get ready to open their season on Sunday against the Jets.

It's about to get interesting there.

and again maybe cam hayward says i'm not going to play on this deal

it didn't sound that way earlier in the summer but we'll find out what the deal look like joe what's the deal was on the deal the deal was two years 29 million so first year this season he'll this year he'll be making 14.7 and next year he'll be making like 14.2

So I think he's looking, I mean,

I love the Steelers because, I mean, this is going to be Cam's going to new year, what, 13, year, 13, 14. So, I mean, his production and everything, I understand what he's saying.
It has not slipped.

So there's defensive tackles.

I think it's up there, bro.

We got defensive ends, obviously, now, $47 million a year with Micah Parsons. We got TJ White at 41.
We got

Miles Garrett at 40. And he's kind of looking at it with him making 14.7 Pro Bowls and all that stuff.

Like, just like, maybe they don't deserve double what i'm getting i mean maybe they deserve double of what i'm getting not triple so he's making 14.6 maybe cam just wants a little six million dollar bonus you know what i'm saying to make it around 20 million but he did sign the extension i can see where the steelers are coming from where man cam this is going to be year 13 year 14 we got 14.7 we got 14.2 the next two years man yeah

you're good

we're giving you real bread so i can see where they coming from and then with cam as the player, as production-wise, what he has done is a little up from what his, what his contract is making.

But you can see how it's a little bit of both.

This is like his fifth contract with the Steelers, and it's not a bad deal. Like

a defensive tackle on year 13, 14, making 14, 7, 14, 2.

Those are good numbers. Those are good numbers.

You know what I'm saying?

So it's not a disrespectful thing, but for Cam being the player, knowing this is going to be kind of his way out, trying to get as much as he possibly can, because it is a business.

He knows if he was playing bad, they might have done some other stuff. They might have, they might have easily, he could have, they could have just let him slide.
You know what I'm saying?

But he knows the reason why he is still there is because of his production. It's not no friendly stuff.
It is because, you know what I'm saying, I'm performing on the field. So, yeah, I just

don't know what it is that makes me think that he's not going to sit out unless I tell you what.

I see Cam sitting out only if in his head he's saying, I'll retire if you don't give me what I want.

That's the only way I see him sitting out. Because if you sit out

like

you got two years on your deal, what you go do? Sit out till it's over with for a couple of years? Yeah.

I think the only way he would sit out is if...

the thought process is if I don't get what I want, I'm not going to play for this and I'll just retire because it's not worth it for me to do it at this number and put my body through whatever it is that I need to do

to get ready and stay ready for the season. That's the only way I see him actually

complain this year is that he says. That sounds like, that sounds like

an Aaron Donald. like an Aaron Donald, knowing end of the day, he can walk away unless he gets what, unless he gets the number he wants.

If he doesn't feel like $14 million a year, touching taxes of $8 million to go to this thing, where he's like, no, I should be making 20, where I could tuck 10, 11, like $12 million, you know what I'm saying, after this season, then it's just really, he's good.

You know what I'm saying? I mean, that sounds crazy to say, but being able to be in Cam and be in the position that he is, like with his body, with his family,

not wanting to do it. That would be, I think, like you said, that'd be the way being able to sit out and be like this.

I'm willing to walk away, but I think Cam's still ready to play, still wants to go. And if you do play, Cam, you still got another 30 M's, you know what I'm saying, coming in these next two seasons.

So I would hunker down.

Yeah, I would. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie.

I did, I did it for way less, baby. You know what I'm saying?

But, you know,

I wasn't trying to count anything else, but what, you know, was good enough for me to go out there and

play and be okay with it. So a thousand percent.
And that's it.

And that's on Cam.

he knows this number, he knows what's gonna make him good and what he feels like he deserves. So,

more power to him because that's my good man. He's a baller.
He's gonna hopefully everything works out for sure. Hopefully, it works out.
You know, even if it don't, hopefully, it still works out.

You know what I'm saying?

Look, we be talking about my man taking 14-7 or getting some more money. So, it's just a win-win.
No question. So, Matthew Stafford will start the season opener against the Texans.

Will Stafford finish the season as he deals with an aggravated disc in his back?

I don't know.

I don't know. I love Matthew Stafford, man.
I played against him since he was at Georgia and I was at Florida. He had A.J.
Green there. So we had some battles ever since 2008.
So that I love his game.

He also has a cannon of an arm, great competitor, plays hurt. You know what I'm saying? Like, I really, really love his game.

But you know, that thing, that health, that thing is always going to catch up with you. Can't nobody run away from that.
So I think as long as his line tries to keep him upright, but he's a gangster.

He's going to stay in the pocket. He's going to stare down the barrel.
So, I mean, it's just, I don't know. Depending on what it looks like, I don't know.
I think as long

as he doesn't have a catastrophic event where it like just totally herniates, he'll be able to make it. Because I myself went through a whole 14 weeks all the way up to the Super Bowl

where

I had

Hernie Yates in my in my back.

And

it was the year, it was the year we ended up losing to

Green Bay in the Super Bowl. So I'm sitting there, dude, and you know, as the As the beginning of the week goes on, you know, I'm taking the T-shot and

the T-shot would make it go away. So I would play, you you know, my first game, it was cool.

You know, second game, it was a cool third game, I took the T-shot and I'm like, yo, I can still feel something.

So I believe it was the fourth game came along and it wasn't touching it no more. I'm like, yo, like, y'all got to check out what's going on.
I'm getting these pains down my legs.

Like, you know, I'm getting a sciatic pain. I'm getting this stinging pain in my, in my Achilles, you know, all that.

And, you know, it got to the point to where, you know, I was playing and I go to step on that foot to turn the corner dude and my whole leg just boom gone oh no i just fall right

so they did an mri they do the mri i go in and uh

they're like get the mri report and doc like yo you need to come in so i go in and he's testing me out and he's like james you know just looking at your back you know i would say that you you need to have something done right now he said but you you know you testing out out strong and all that.

And I'm like, yeah, I'm strong when I'm strong, but when it ain't, it's gone. Yeah.
You know what I'm saying? So basically it was an option of get the surgery now. You're out six weeks, right?

Or get the surgery after the season. So I'm like, well, let's just get the surgery now, man.
You know what I'm saying?

Okay.

Well, end up talking to, you know, I guess the training staff and everything else and whatever. And they're like, well, let's go until you know you can't, you can't go in anymore, right?

So, I'm like, All right, cool. I'm like, I'm willing to do it anyway, you know what I'm saying? I want, I want to play, I want to win, I want to help my team, you know what I'm saying?

Because I looked at my dudes, his family, you know what I'm saying? That's that's 100% what year was this? This was 2010, man, but the year, the year they, uh, the year before they locked us out. So,

I go and I'm playing, and dude, I had two times where, you know, I had one time they had to come get me. I couldn't get out the bed, bro.

I had two times where I actually got a epidural dude on a like a

pregnancy epidural yes so they they take they take and

they do it you know

fluoroscope got it and they go to the site where the discs is and they inject uh cortisone and some numbing stuff uh sorry uh cortisone yeah cortisol and some numbing stuff so when they hit it it's like boom i'm like oh because it's taking that pressure off of the nerve that the disc is pressing on so it was my it was my s1 l5 l5 l4

it was my lumbar so it was pressing all those nerves that's why i was getting a sciatic and that's why you know a couple times my leg just drop and give out on you know so i lose lose power and all that

yeah yeah so

i go and i you know i play through it you know you played the whole season with that being able to go i played i played yeah i played 12 weeks with it being able

and i also was getting a lot of soft tissue work. So I was doing things like, you know, I was getting dry needle.

So I was getting my pair of spinals needle, which is the muscles in between your spine to make sure that, you know, I was able to keep that as loose as possible so it didn't squeeze down on that nerve, right?

What was your practice schedule like? Did you practice normal, bro? Practice normal. I practice normal.
I didn't change nothing about my practice, bro.

Like, I love to practice because I'm not a person that can sit there and look at a scheme. I need to be out there doing it.
I need to feel what I'm going to get. No, no, no, for sure.

So I go through, I go through that, that, that whole thing, man. I get through the season and

we get done. We lose the Super Bowl, right? So I'm sitting there and I'm like, okay.

They're like, well, you know, let's go ahead and do the surgery now. I'm like, you know.
Let's hold off. You said it's a possibility that it could retract back, whatever, da, da, da, da, right.

So they're like, ah, well, they're about to lock us out. I don't know if you want to wait that long.

And,

you know, it's kind of close to the nerves that control your bowel and bladder function. I say, what that means? Well, if it gets that,

you get pissed and poop on yourself.

I thought it meant. I'm like, so you got to do this.
Y'all ain't telling me this. I could have been telling me this

back 12 weeks ago. Like, come on.

So

ended up getting the surgery. And here's here's the crazy thing it's like i know my body so well bro that i'm sitting there and i'm

like seven days out of surgery and i'm like doc hey something ain't right i'm still feeling a little a little something on there like oh it might be you know transwelling or whatever

i'm like no it ain't swelling i know my body man it's not so They had me go do another MRI. He came back in.
He said, yeah, we got to go back in. We ain't get it all.

So what they missed, Debo, they had to go up another level. He was trying to be conservative and keep as much diss in there as he could, but he couldn't.
So he went back in.

So I had two back surgeries in nine days and didn't

do none of my therapy with the team because they locked us out. So I did all my therapy with my trainer in Arizona.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

And I, dude, I think that was the best thing that ever happened.

He took care of you. Yes, definitely, dude definitely i i know guys that had it done and

i think one or two guys had it done the same year i did and neither one of them played more than two more years after that i played another seven so you know i did the right thing to take care of my body to make sure that i actually helped fix what was causing the issue.

That's like a lot of guys who go and have these knee issues and they say, oh, well, you know, it's just wearing tear. Well, it ain't wearing tear.

It's probably a muscle, especially when it's in your knee. It's a muscle that's somewhere in your quad, your hamstring, even in your calf that's not firing the same.

So, if you fix that firing of the mechanism of the muscle, the knee now works in that same groove correctly, and you don't get the wear and tear. But what they do is they treat the symptom.

The symptom is that it's now not moving correctly, and the symptom is it's now shaving off cartilage. So, what do they do?

They go in there, drain your knee, or they scope it down instead of actually fixing the problem. That's

yeah

yeah

put band-aids on stuff right right right

so i think it's a possibility as long as he has a a a good team behind him that he could he he could finish the year like i said bearing any real you know catastrophic uh you know thing that would cause it to actually totally herniate or die for people ruptured that's just man that's that's his left tackle making sure he don't get blown by.

And he, Matthew Stafford,

it's so easy to get that back blown out. I'm telling you, man, that quarterback, man, the quickest way Matthew Staff would be out of there is a blind side.

So Vegas has Lamar Jackson as the top for the MVP odds. Raining MVP, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, and their,

I can't see that word.

Harris beneath, beyond

him are plus 600.

And patrick mahomes rounding out the top four at plus 650.

oh

is this the year lamar jackson puts it all together and not only wins the mvp but puts up the lombardi trophy brother what do you think

so you know obviously we in the north play for the stillers that's why i'm saying no i'm hate browns i know you're gonna hate i'm gonna hate i i'm from maryland you know what i'm saying so honestly this is my thing patrick mahomes has so many of the rings he's controlling the afc north i love him i love patrick mahomes too it's a good man him and trav but what i want is lamar i just don't want people to keep disrespecting lamar's greatness and i don't think if he doesn't get a super bowl ring then people won't understand how great lamar jackson really is and what he's really doing in this league so i mean he's going to mvp odds every season regular season they're going to ball out lamar jacks has his legs He's quick.

He's fast. He's going to do Lamar Jackson things the whole season.
And they got a solid defense too. Do you think he's going to get that Lombardi this year?

I thought for real it was last year. So this year, I'm going to say no.

I thought last year was the year. They looked so good.

I was honestly quietly rooting. I was rooting for him.
I was rooting for Lamar. But then last year, when I was like this,

what happened?

It just didn't happen. Yeah, it seems like they get into the playoffs and it's

health issues with guys not being there and then they just unravel. I don't know.
And I don't know what it is. I don't know what it's going on.

I don't. Yeah.
But I ain't gonna lie. I would rather anybody else want it a set for Cleveland, Cincinnati, or Baltimore.
I was okay. I know what you're saying.

I know what you said. Bro, I'm hating.
I ain't gonna lie to you, man. I think we about outside, man.
Listen. You gotta be honest.
Be honest. Obviously, you don't want them to win.
No question.

No question, bro. No question.
Listen, like we, like I said, we about out of time, man. Want to thank you guys for joining us for this podcast of Debo and Joe.
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Yo. I don't even know what this is, but I think that's my son's way of putting up three.
Now, I told him to put it up like that, but I don't know if he's listening, but this is three now.

I seen it in a movie where it got a dude killed because he was supposed to put up three,

but he put up three like this, and they knew. that that wasn't the right three because that area they put up three like this so they knew he was a spy you gotta got shot up

All right, now y'all have a good one. We'll get back to you on Friday.
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