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So welcome to your first episode of Debo and Joe.

I am your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joseph Walter Hayden III, better known as Joe Hayden.

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How you doing this morning, Joe, on the first day day of work, baby?

Brother Debo, I'm doing great.

It's an honor, a pleasure to be here with you.

I'm excited about the show, excited to get to it, the vibes, everything.

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People don't do the third.

Nobody knows Walter.

Nobody knows the third.

You out here giving the gems off the ring.

We got to give them what they ain't never had, baby.

You know what I'm saying?

Let's get into this, though.

Let's get into our first topic, man.

Uh, Michael Parsons was uh reported that uh, some of his cowboys' teammates viewed him as egotistical and self-centered.

I guess Sports Illustrated reporter Albert Burr, he said Zach Martin, CeeDee Lamb, and Dak Prescott are very popular in the locker room.

Not the case with Parsons.

He rattled, he will rankle teammates in different ways, seen by some as egotistical and self-centered.

His podcast has created issues too that go all the way back to quarterback Dak Prescott.

Dak also added that he wasn't completely surprised by Parsons' trade.

What do you think of

players having podcasts?

I'm not mad at players having podcasts.

My thing with players having podcasts is if you're going to be able to take criticism, you're going to be able to give criticism.

I think you should be able to, it's like an interview.

Like after the games, you can be able, if you win, you're going to be able to talk to the media.

If you lose, you'll be able to talk to the media.

Being able to just give constructive criticism and just let them know how you really feel.

I think egotistical and self-centered seems personal to me.

Yes.

I want to know who said this?

Who's saying that I'm egotistical?

Who's saying that I'm self-centered?

You know what I'm saying?

Put a name to it.

It's real easy once you get out of the locker room to be like this.

Oh, that man was egotistical.

Nobody was saying that when he was there.

Nobody was saying that he was socking everybody up.

So I just need people to put names to that.

And it seems a little personal to me because nobody was saying that when he was making $2.9 million last year.

When he left for the 47 ball, now he's egotistical.

So

my thing is this.

I think that all players are self-centered to a point.

And when it comes down to it, you have to be because this is a business.

I think what may have happened there, he let the business of football.

kind of get into the locker room and ruin the personal relationships that he built with those players.

And, you know, when that get involved and you start to lose the locker room you know that's not something that coaches want especially you know when you're trying to create and get that lombardi you know you don't want discord in your locker room no a thousand percent yeah um

i i understand what they're saying but to to the point of it's not really self-centered everybody's self-centered egotistical like you said i i find that being very personal um

the feelings a lot of these players nowadays they are very sensitive.

They really shouldn't be getting into their feelings.

Like when we play,

back in 2007 to I believe 2012,

our defense was ranked 1-1, 5-2, and 1-1 in those years.

But we were highly

critical of each other.

We were critical, you know, of ourselves and we held each other accountable.

It was, you know, it was nothing nothing to yell and scream at a guy.

You know, you know,

I go back to stories where you got foot, you got Casey Hampton and you got foot.

And, you know, Hamps are our big nose type.

He clogging up the middle.

He holding up two guys all the time.

So we get and they'll get maybe four or five yards on a run, you know, and then maybe they'll get four or five yards later on.

And the first thing Hamp would do, he'd be like,

God

damn,

what the hell y'all doing back there, man?

Y'all go stop and make a tackle or what?

And this is like four or five yards.

So, you got foot and hemp right there, and they're arguing.

And the ref is like, who you talking to?

Like, they think we arguing with the other team, but we talked about

to get a flag, man.

So, that was something that, you know, I was used to, you know, even when I first got to the Stillers, you know, you're going to be held accountable.

That's what you're saying.

Don't do.

It's going to be pointed out.

Bill Coward, dude, when we watch special teams the whole team watch special teams together and he pointed out everybody that did something wrong did not do a block right like so we're going in the meetings like yo man how'd you play on special teams bro no for sure i don't know man i'm kind of missed that one block so i think today's you know players are are very, very sensitive when it comes to, you know, being corrected.

When you saying that, it makes perfect sense because the eye in the sky doesn't lie.

And if a coach can show you on the tape and you can take accountability, that's me out there messing up, doing that wrong, and not being able to have somebody like, you did that.

Being able to be like, no, that's me, coach.

That's on me.

I got the next one.

You know what I'm saying?

Being able to take that criticism, not being like, nobody trying to do one up you or let you know, but that's not acceptable.

Like if it's on the tape, then it's not good.

If you're doing good things on the tape, we're going to let you know that's perfect.

That's the way it needs to be done.

So

in the right stuff, and when you do the wrong stuff, being able to take it on the chin and and be like, nobody trying to clown you, bro.

We just know that that's not going to work.

We're going to lose with that.

You know what I'm saying?

And then, you know, like with him, you know, holding in, as they say, and, you know, saying, you know, that he had an issue with his back and all that other stuff.

You know.

guys either know or don't know.

You can't tell somebody if their back is hurting.

But, you know, that's something else where I believe Mike Flores, he reported that, you know, the next CBA will find a way to try and stop the hold-ins.

He said the holding process gives players who are willing to cite injury, real or imagined, and not play the real power.

Its ultimate goal is it ultimately gave Parsons the power to get out of Dallas.

It's power the NFL wants to keep.

The NFL doesn't want players to have it.

So what do you think could be done or what do you think the...

could happen in the next collective bargaining agreement that would try and oust that so the NFL basically, like, this, this is the thing: it is a business, it is a business.

I think with Dak Prescott and CD Lamb and with the dudes on the team, the teammates, you understand that he's going through negotiations.

He doesn't want to put himself out there.

He's making two million dollars, he's about to be making 40 to 50 million dollars per year.

It's no point of going out there.

And if you are a Cowboys fan or a Cowboys teammate, you're looking at his situation a little different from like you know he's how do you think the NFL will try and attack this with the cba though i think the nfl man they gonna what

i mean you can't tell me my back's not hurt so i'm trying to figure out what specifically they can do to get me to practice or get me to not practice i think when he's there getting treatment and and saying things like that but i mean i don't know maybe they can have to say if you get you're going to go get an mri you're going to go do all this stuff but at the same time you can't tell me that my back doesn't hurt you can't tell me my back isn't tight like i think

go ahead.

It's going to be tough for them to make that, to make that, you know what I'm saying?

Make NFL players have to do that.

I think so.

I think, I think we need,

I think we need, when I say we, NFL, the NFL PA, I think they need way, way stronger leadership.

And I go all the way back to, you know, the 2011 lockout.

You were there for that, right?

Yeah.

My, my, my biggest issue with that was we had poor, poor leadership.

D.

Maurice Smith, I think he was trash, dude, when it really came down to it.

I should be president.

That's what it should come down to.

I really should be president.

I hear you.

I'm here for it, D.

Bro.

I'm voting for you.

Come on, tell me.

The first thing I would do

is I would stop letting players vote that are not vested into the program that they're voting for.

So you got 53 players on the team, right?

You got another, what is it now, six or eight, 10?

So you got 63 total.

Yeah, 10, 11 practice squads.

Okay.

So now you go into the season and they bring in an extra 50 guys, right?

Those extra 50 guys get to vote on the collective bargaining agreement.

Now, if I'm a rookie, yes, I'm going to vote.

Yes.

I don't care what's in there.

Why?

Because I get an opportunity to make half a million to multi-millions of dollars.

I don't care what's in the collective bargaining agreement, but you're not.

probably going to be there.

The average NFL career is three and a half years.

To get vested, it takes you four years and four games to get vested, right?

With that being the case, you're allowing people who will have no

pee in the pod

say for something that won't happen.

So I think the NFLPA should make a ruling.

That's the first one, that if you aren't vested into this, you can't get a vote into this.

The second thing I think they should allow is players.

you know you get five years of health care after you're out players who are still on that healthcare plan still into the NFLPA, they need to be able to have a vote.

You know, the biggest issue I had with D.

Smith was you were put in position to make the hard decisions.

And when it came time to make the hard decisions, you let the majority of what he told me was 80% of guys are saying, yo, I need to go back to work.

I don't have this.

I don't have that.

Didn't they tell us for two years to save up your money so that you had enough to last a year of a lockout?

So the guys, the guys guys that didn't listen i'm sorry but me being the president of the nflpa i'm trying to take care of past present and future what he did was worried about the guys that didn't listen and didn't do what they were supposed to do and for me that is a trash move i'm not going to allow my son to do something that i know is not good for him you were put in a position of power where you can make that decision i had guys on other teams that were like dude we didn't didn't even vote we went in they were like oh yeah we're going to practice everything passed how did y'all go man yeah i mean there's a little bit of the same way i think the the vested players the older guys the dudes that were really in the league for a minute were reading it were reading the contract was trying to figure out to try to get the best deal a lot of dudes some other dudes like you said that didn't save up weren't really ready for it like man living more paycheck to paycheck they like this is my second year in the league i need to go get this check i don't know what y'all are talking about right so that's what they're counting on they're counting on the guys

years two, three, four that didn't do what they were supposed to do.

Now they're going to be that extra, you know, 10% or whatever it may be that's going to put them at the 51% that they need to get it passed.

As the NFLPA president, I think the biggest thing they need to do is make it to where you cannot vote on the CBA unless you are vested into it.

And I think that would make it a whole lot more beneficial for us as players, past, former, all that,

to be able to get the things that really matter.

I mean, look at the collective bargaining agreement, I think, that just passed.

The biggest thing in there was, hey, we don't get suspended for smoking weed.

Come on.

Yeah.

And that's another thing, too.

They're keeping that over the NFL's head because weed is something that nobody,

they need to let it be legal.

They need to not test dudes for weed because at the end of the day, that is medical.

I can't agree with that

i'm let me tell you this debo let me tell you why i say this why i'm telling you why i say this okay because if you're going to tell me that somebody can't go and do their job they can drink and go on the job you'll get fired if you there high and can't practice you're going to get fired nobody's going to want to lose their job over some weed or maybe they might but that's going to be their prerogative they're grown they're an adult they can go smoke weed they can go drink right before practice and come there they better be on time they have to do their meetings that's your job that's your profession.

Nobody got to tell me what I can go do on my recreational time.

Yeah.

But you also got to understand that, you know, I believe and I see that a lot of these NFL PA

reps or people that are working for the NFL PA, it looks like half of them are trying to get a job at the NFL.

I mean, you go prime example.

Look at Troy Vinson.

He was an NFL PA

rep person.

He worked for the NFL PA.

Next thing you know, he's gone.

Now he's working for the NFL.

That was during that whole time, you know, you know, when Upshaw ended up passing away, sadly, and they switched over.

And then Maurice came in and he shot over to the NFL,

to the NFL.

And now all of a sudden, you know, this thing, you know, gets passed with flying colors where you had teams talking about we didn't even vote.

I mean, I understand all they needed was 51%,

but

like it, it, it, it doesn't make sense.

And it seems like it's a, it's some self-sabotage going on in the NFL PA with them making it possible for the NFL to just

glide over with these, you know, these CBA agreements, man.

No, I feel you.

I feel, I think you just, you just want better representation strictly for the players.

And

I think that you're, you feel like they're a little bit of, they're in a little bit of cahoots.

You know what I'm saying?

At the end of the day, not trying to protect this as listen cahoots i'll give you cahoots so i'll go back to um the whole al jazeer thing where they were saying that i was on gh and it was all these other players on gh right

so the lawyer that the nflpa gave me she said she was close friends with d smith so i'm like all right cool whatever so i sit down with her and i'm talking to her she's asking me all the questions have you ever did this have you ever did that no i ain't did this i ain't did that you know um you know i was telling her some stuff that uh my my father had did i had did some alternative uh treatments for him because he had cancer and so on and so forth she's like whoa well did you you know do this do that no i didn't do none of that you know blah blah blah blah right so

i get into the meeting with the nfl lawyers who are trying to make like i did something that i didn't do

And I'm in there with her as my representative, right?

I sit down in the meeting.

And the first thing the NFL lawyers tell me is, okay,

so

your dad, you know, he had cancer and he did some alternative treatments.

You say you didn't do none of that.

Are you sure about that?

If I was guilty and had told her this, she would have ran and told them everything.

That's the representation you sent for me as she

attorney to defend me.

You're crazy.

Dude, it was out of control.

No, okay, no, I could respect that.

You did.

Yeah,

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Yeah, for sure.

I see you got that Cleveland hat on, though.

So let's go ahead and go to Cleveland now.

Let's go ahead and go to Cleveland.

So

they said Shador,

your guy, Joe Thomas, had something to say about Shador.

They say it was strong.

I don't know exactly how strong I would say this is.

Thomas said they're not conspiring to sabotage somebody who, by the way, would be great for the league.

And he is great for the league because the league wants eyeballs on it.

There is no reason they would be trying to conspire against him and sabotage him.

He all goes on to say, I think his ceiling, I think he has a higher ceiling.

He's a great playmaker.

He was a tremendous, he was tremendously accurate.

He has the feel when he's in the game and how to make the big plays.

But just because you have the ceiling that's really high and the potential to be able to do that doesn't mean you could do that right now.

What do you think of those comments about Shadur?

Well, from Joe about Shadur.

I love Joe Thomas.

I love Joe T.

And I know that Joe T is in Cleveland.

He's out there.

He's amongst the people.

So he knows the pulse a little bit.

And for me, I think it's more of the

the managers, the general manager, the owners and things trying to just chill the noise.

They understand that they have Shador.

They're just really trying to start Joe Flacco right now because he's just a consecutive vet.

You know what you're going to get.

I think that they're going to try to build Shador up a little bit, just give him a little bit of chances.

But all right, let me keep it a bean.

Okay.

When Shador did his last preseason game, and they had the third stringers, fourth stringers out there, I didn't feel like that was a good position to put him in to win.

And then when they had the fourth quarter drive with one possession left and they took him out and put Huntley in, I don't think they did not want him to drive that ball down there and get a touchdown just because it's just too much noise for the Browns to handle right now.

I think they want Flacco to get in there, steady the ship, and then let Shador and let Dylan keep on battling it out.

In my mind, Shador is going to be the better quarterback.

Shador is sealing this higher in what Joe Thomas is saying, but he's saying it's no point in throwing them into the fire right now.

They have an OG, they have Joe Flacco.

Somebody can just try to settle the thing, let the season go, let's get us some wins.

You know what I'm saying?

He's been in the league now, what, 18 years?

So he's more of a just vet.

The same thing that they're doing in New York with Dart and Wilson.

You know what I'm saying?

You need to just have a vet out there because you don't want to throw your rookie.

You know, he's the long-term deal.

He's going to be there for a while.

Yeah,

I kind of agree with Joe.

I don't see them going in and drafting a guy that they don't see could possibly help the team.

Rather, that is, if that's right now or later on down the line,

that is up to them to make that decision or where they see his development going to.

But I don't see the conspiracy of actually drafting a guy anywhere and then

not giving him opportunities

or.

just sitting him there, just to sitting there.

I mean,

not draft him at all.

I got a question for you, though.

Do do you in your personal opinion do you think shador should have went in the fifth round and if you like and and or if not why do you think he went in the fifth round

uh i don't think he should have went that low um i and the reason i think he went you know that low is i think it has something to do with his you know with his dad um whether that is them not liking him or him not going and doing you know uh the workouts you know

answering the questions the way they like father told him not to.

I mean, it's a big difference between

Dion's talent and Shadora's talent.

You know, Dion,

you know, that's generational.

Shador is a talented athlete, but to you know, going there and not, you know, not work out, not give him something, I think, you know, for me, as

a owner or a head coach that, you know, I want to see him do or, you know, throw certain, you know, throws or

just having Naira to

see it, you know, in front of me.

And yeah, I would feel some type of way.

But, I mean,

to be fifth, you know,

I think that was a little low.

No, for sure.

I respect that, though, too.

I think that he thinks that he didn't go into the process the way he should have, answering the right questions.

You know, at the end of the day,

you're trying to, you're working for somebody.

You're working for a company.

You know what I'm saying?

And that the quarterback position is a little bit different than DB or wide receiver, where I'm going to just come here, I'm I'm going to do what I got to do and just handle business regardless.

When you're a quarterback, you're face to the franchise.

They want you to act a certain way, you know what I'm saying?

Maybe treat them a certain type of way, you know what I'm saying?

Because you're going to have the keys, you're going to be the man.

So I think if he would have gone back and do it, he would have probably did that a little bit differently.

You know what I'm saying?

Just being a little cocky, letting them know, like, yeah, I'm him.

But at quarterback, you got to kind of transform and just be a little more.

Yeah,

they got to have an opportunity to really, you know, see and get the,

for sure, yeah, this is what I'm getting.

It wasn't because, you know, you had this prolific receiver, you know, you had horn too, you know, so it wasn't, you know, it wasn't like, you know, he didn't have some good receivers over there.

So

I totally, you know, understand it.

And like I said, at the same time, I understand, you know, how other people see it as being unfair because of, you know, the comparison of, you know, with his father.

But

your boy Travis Kelsey, your Clevelander, he said that

they should give the people what they want in terms of Browns fans.

Shador start.

Give the people what they want.

The world wants to see him go out there and not only play, but have success.

At this point, guys are rooting for him.

This isn't anything against Dylan.

This isn't anything against Joe.

I'm just saying the excitement is there for Shador to go out there.

He's going to put eyes on the screen.

He's going to bring people to the game.

What do you think about Travis saying that, man?

That boy Travis is speaking that good stuff right there.

Listen, this is what I think.

This is what I think Travis should do, man.

Travis can afford it now,

or will be able to.

I think what Travis should do is go ahead, since he feels so strongly about this.

Travis, you should go and buy the Browns.

Let the fans

make the decisions of who is going to play and who's going to start.

That's it.

I'm not going to lie.

I mean, you know, I mean, no disrespect to the Haslams.

Love the Haslams to death.

But if they were up to sale, sell it to Travis because him and Taylor got the bag enough to buy it.

And I'm going to be there chilling with my good man.

Travis Kelsey,

the new owner of the Cleveland Browns.

It's like, man.

But for real, for though travis is speaking the way that i feel like and i know like end of the day they got flacco just to make sure everything's good he's a veteran he's been in the league for a long time but give the people what they want he's talking about giving me what i want i want you with

i want you talking to me i want shador sanders out that joint for real starting with the starting line the starting receivers the starting market saying go ahead put him out there as the start no no no no no no let him let him do what he do i don't want if that don't work, then you fall back to Joe.

No, no, no, no, no, that's not what I Travis is saying what I what I want to say, but I'm not going to really say it.

I really want okay,

Travis is saying that's what Travis said, Travis saying what ain't what Joe is saying.

That's not what I'm saying.

I feel Travis, though, because I wouldn't be mad at it, but I want it to be Flacco

to just go in there, you know.

I'm saying, hopefully, Flacco does as best as he can, but as soon as he starts losing,

boom, she's how many games

in there ready?

And

I'm not wishing on Flacco's downfall.

So that's how many games you got to lose before

Travis throw, I'm gonna say Travis, before Travis throws Shador in there.

If it ain't you, he gotta lose,

he gotta lose three of them jumps.

Three, three, three.

It gotta be three in a row or just three, period.

It depends on our record.

If it's two in a row and we're looking foggy, and then we lose another one,

three in a row for sure.

It's definitely time.

Okay.

But he wins a game, he bought some time.

He went two in a row.

Two in a row.

He went two in a row.

Oh, he's chilling for a little bit.

Shador needs to just start, you know what I'm saying?

Making sure, take notes, watch and see what he's doing.

So then he lose one, though.

Didn't he win one and lose one?

Win one and lose one.

Win two, lose one.

Win one, lose one.

Now he had, he had, he had three and two.

Long as he don't lose two in a row and close to three in a row, he's solid.

He's square business because like that means we're

in the mix.

We keeping it keeping it 500.

Keeping it 500.

As soon as he gets two below 500,

it's time.

Okay, so speaking of quarterbacks, let's go over here to the Stillers, man.

I guess the Stillers sent a scout to look at the South Carolina quarterback Sears.

It says, if things start off poorly,

could this finally be the season that the Stillers tank for a top quarterback in the NFL?

Do you think the Stillers would tank for a top quarterback in the NFL?

That sounds ridiculous.

Do you think Coach Tomlin would come into one of those team meetings in the morning talking about taking an L?

Like,

we're men.

We have something to do.

Like, this is our job.

We don't get paid by the hour.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, Coach T, not with that.

He's going to come in that jump motivating with speeches and everything.

Like, we're going to go undefeated.

It don't matter what they, not even undefeated we're gonna win this week that's what i like about coach t he's not looking too far ahead what we're gonna do is who we playing what is our things we're gonna work on our schedule we're gonna do mondays we're gonna do like line we're gonna do uh red zone we're gonna do certain things we have a schedule that we're gonna do and we're gonna do it no matter who we play you know i'm saying what do you want to say the nameless gray faces it doesn't matter who they play they're gonna have to come see us you know what i'm saying so tanking for the steelers is crazy that somebody would even think about that because we were with duck Hodges, my good man, not knocking duck.

We're trying to win.

We thought we were going to win.

Every game when the duck was the quarterback.

Every game we go out,

we never felt like we were inferior or anything.

We're like, we're about to bust our ass.

Seriously.

I never, I never, I would never think of the Steelers tanking.

And, you know, again, my biggest reason is Mike Tomlin.

Mike Tomlin is not going to tank a season no matter what.

He hasn't had a losing season in, what is it, 18 years?

He's not going to go out there and try and have a losing season.

And I know people say, you know what, man, it's time for a change.

It's time for this.

It's time for that.

You know, he hasn't won a playoff game since 2016.

Yeah, you know,

that's one of the knocks.

But

how many coaches out there?

you know, can you say has the record he has, has never had a losing season.

And to be be quite honest with you, I believe that's one of the reasons why he will always keep a job in Pittsburgh.

You know, whether he wins a playoff game or not, if he doesn't have a losing season, then

he's going to be there.

They're not going to get rid of him.

They're going to re-signing.

If you look at the history of all coaches that is in the position that he's in, none of them have been fired.

All of them have been rehired.

and if you do that today in the hypersensitive racial culture that we have things would explode and i get it i totally get it for the people who are like hey but the standard is the standard yeah it's it's sort of starting to sound like lip service because now it looks like the standard is 500 because We haven't won a playoff game since 2016.

You know,

you got six in one hand, you got a half a dozen in the other.

And, you know, I understand both routes.

The issue is

you can't get rid of that.

You, it's not, you can't, you know, you jump out of, you know, the grass is always green on the other side.

You think it's green on the other side.

You know what I'm saying?

It's not really greener than that.

And if somebody were, and they were to let go of Coach T, he would be picked up the quickest of any coach of all time a lot of the other coaches would i mean a lot of other organizations would love to have coach tomlin as their head coach and especially the way that people speak about him like i know me for instance just playing for a bunch of different coaches in cleveland coming to uh pittsburgh um darius slay uh jalen ramsey it's not just us it's like that's not normal the way that he just is able to interact with his players the way he's able to legitimately like have real conversations with you he's not

I will say this.

I understand where you're coming from with that.

And I had that, I had that relationship where

my relationship with Tomlin broke down was towards the end, you know, the last last year.

And, you know, he always says, as a tough question, I'll give you a tough answer.

Well, I was asking the tough cash,

you know, I was asking the tough questions, but I wasn't getting the tough answers.

I was getting the answers that, you know, he thought would appease me, to be quite honest with you.

I'm like, yo,

you know, i need to play i need to do this i need to do that like okay yeah we we we got you know we got plans we're going to we're going to do something and you know nothing came to it and what it really came down to is i'm like yo if you just sitting me here to have me as a backup just in case one of your young guys go down and you can put me in there i understand that but say that say that say that to my face

right say that to my face i could deal with it better than you sitting here and feeding me a whole crock of stuff that does not make sense, you know, to the point of where we're going.

I think it was Houston or something.

I can't remember, but it was before Christmas.

And I'm like, yo, I know you're not going to dress me.

I know you're not going to play me.

Why don't you just let me stay at home?

This is 2017.

Right.

So why don't you just let me stay at home for this game?

And that way I can spend Christmas, you know, with my family, whatever.

No, no, no, I can't do that.

No, no, we go, you know, we're going to, we might need you.

Okay.

And then immediately, believe it was that Thursday or Friday, he released me.

Like,

that's, that's not something you just did on the drop of a hat.

You know what I'm saying?

That was in the works.

Yeah.

As he said, a numbers, you know, thing or whatever it may be.

No,

you saw, and what, here's the crazy part.

I said week one, we played Cleveland, we played y'all,

and I said, hey,

I see what you want to do.

You want to play your young guys.

I totally understand that.

Phase me out.

You got younger guys.

I don't feel they're better than me right now.

But in time, yes, they will be.

So why don't y'all just release me and let me go play my, you know, year out somewhere else.

No, no, no, no, no.

We got a plan for you.

No, you don't have a plan man and that's the same thing you kept feeding me so i got to the point where like you know what i'm just disgrunged i'm trying to do anything to get out of here like i'm trying to make y'all release me dude like i'm i'm i'm

i'm doing a little bit of every i'm saying my back hurt i'm telling them any and everything like just release me you are funny because you saying this is bringing it back that was my when i first signed was 2017 when it was the when you was like kind of like that was the year you know what i'm saying when they had it was a tj and bud you know you was getting the time and then you was coming into the meetings i'm like oh yeah just thugging it debo like you said

release i said yeah no i yeah i i i remember i remember i was there i said oh yeah that's debo for real

but that's the thing that ain't that ain't even

i know debo but i'm just saying that was my first time over there you wasn't being b but you was like yeah i could just tell you wasn't on that but it was like, it was, you've been there so long, did so much.

That's when the business kind of really hit to where you have a personal relationship with Coach Tomlin.

Like, you feel like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, I'm asking you the hard question.

You should be able to give me the hard answers.

We're grown.

We're maturing this.

You're a grown man.

Like, yes, I can understand

what you want to do.

No question.

But tell me something.

So, no, for sure, I can see that 100,000%.

And like literally on my way out of the door too in Pittsburgh, we was,

you have those conversations until they get a little bit too difficult for them to have.

And then that's when the business side clicks in.

It's like this, dang, it really is still a business.

Yes.

We cool as a mug.

We super chill, but dang, I still got chopped and didn't even know.

You know what I'm saying?

Like

it gets to that because at the end of the day, it is love.

Once you sign that contract, now we're going to make this family a family because we're going to be here.

We got to be here.

You know what I'm saying?

I'm working with you because I'm going to do my job to make so myself looks good.

You're going to coach me up.

and now we got a relationship.

But soon that somebody else coming in, contract gets to acting, Kevin Colbert gets to talking to him.

And he likes this, ooh, so we're going to have to let buddy go.

That's their conversation.

Don't have nothing to do with our relationship.

My kids that you see, you know what I'm saying?

Like they like this.

Where mine really fell apart is, I believe it was either Tennessee or Indy.

I done practiced all week.

He's saying, all right, you're going to get reps.

We're going to rotate you in, whatever, whatever, right?

I get to the game.

When I get to the game, Joe, I am a no dress.

I have no uniform in my locker.

I am a game day scratch, and I ain't been told a word till I walk in and see it.

I told him right then and there, I said, listen, if I ain't playing, I ain't staying.

And I left and went home.

Yes, you did.

That's when I started trying to do everything I could to get out of there.

Now, now are you only

not even talking to me

and telling me anything?

You just blatantly lying now.

You come into the game, Debo, when your pads aren't in your locker and it's a sweatsuit in the joint.

I'm, oh yeah, you, you fed.

You, you, you have every right to be fed, especially when you talking to them.

You asking these questions when they like, just let me know where I'm at.

And now I'll let you know where you stand.

If you want to know, I'll tell you.

And then you're not telling me that's yeah, that's great.

That's great.

I'm sorry that don't happen like that, brother.

But you know how that, but you know, yes, it's inside snapped, and that's why you like, oh, okay, so I'm right.

You got to snap out of it, you got to realize

business.

You know what I'm saying?

You thought that personal relationship you had was going to get you honesty.

No, it's going to get you what he needs to tell you to keep his business, keep his position, to keep what he needs going so he can keep his job at this business.

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Stillers, like we got Aaron Rodgers over there.

How far, how far you think we're going to get with

Rodgers?

I lie to you, not, man.

I'm if he can stay healthy, Aaron Rodgers is one of the best throwers of the ball that I've seen.

Spiral, always on point.

I think him being there with Coach T, like, like you said, the Stillers' defense has always been amazing.

And when we've had several different quarterbacks, offense has been able to get there.

Just don't mess it up.

Aaron Rodgers isn't a quarterback that throws a lot of interceptions.

He's not going to be putting the ball, turning it over, putting the defense in bad positions.

So I think if he could just stay upright, stay healthy, and his ball placement is amazing, just being him and Coach T working together on a plan.

Like you don't got to throw for 5,000, but you could throw for 25 tutties in like two interceptions, and we could be balling.

Like as long as the defense isn't set back in a terrible position, I think they'd be good to go.

So him with Coach T, I think it's going to be solid.

um i just hope he's what if they start losing how do you think it go if they start losing man if they start losing it's going to go the same way, man.

You know how it is.

It's one week at a time.

I think they're gonna be able to try, they're gonna just try to figure it out, figure out what's going on on the offensive side.

I just hope that you think that relationship stays the same.

Do you think, or does it dissipate like we're talking about here?

I think that, I think that, I think that Coach T may have a different relationship with the quarterbacks, you know what I'm saying?

Because that's like him and him and Big Ben.

I think that their relationship was pretty, pretty solid.

You know what I'm saying?

And with the quarterback position, with Aaron's knowledge, I think him maybe go, Debo, stop making your face like that.

Stop making a face like that.

From what I saw, you assume what you assume, baby.

Go ahead, but I'm just saying, from

my eyes,

they might not have gotten along too well.

They got along great.

It's like they got along for my eyes, it looked like they got along.

And I think that with a smart quarterback like that, with Aaron and his knowledge, I think they're going to be able to try to figure something out

just in my eyes.

What do you think, Debo?

You were there longer than me.

I um, like I said, I'll say again, I think if things go well, they go well.

That's why it's a one-year deal.

If they go well, it's a possibility for it being, you know, something else.

But if they don't, we, you know, our ties is cut and we go, you know, the way we go.

I think it gets super ugly if they get to a point to where it's looking like it's going to be Thomas' first losing season

because now

that puts him in in a position he's never been in

and

it opens up the gate to a lot of other decisions that could be made you know by the stiller's organization no for sure

um

i think rogers to be honest with you i don't think he's the player that he used to be i think now It's to the point where those balls that he would zip out there and it's just a fingertip away and you couldn't get to it.

Now guys are getting a hand on that ball.

Some guys are picking that ball.

The placement is not exactly perfect like it was.

You know, it's three inches off, three inches off.

There's a difference between somebody touching the ball, picking the ball and the ball getting it to the receiver's hands.

You ain't lying.

I don't know if...

you know he's come to the realization that you know it's a little something a little different maybe he has to adjust and he just hasn't adjusted to it yet.

But you know, that's the big difference that I see, you know, especially like when you know when we played him in the Super Bowl, it's like you know, you got you got RC, he's right there, and it's you know, fingertip, yeah, yeah,

he just misses it, and you know, it's it's a tutty.

So, those plays and those throws that you know, he had his whole career, I think over the last year or two, he he doesn't, you know, he just doesn't have those perfect, you know, throws anymore.

And, you know, that I think that's the difference that, you know, we're seeing now in the last couple of years.

No, for sure.

Well, I'm rooting for him because Aaron Rodgers has been one of my favorite quarterbacks for a long time.

And I hope to do good for him.

Throw out some discount double checks, man.

I think if you bring that back, he might get fired.

He might get back sweet.

He start doing the discounts.

Oh, hold on, hold on.

We got breaking news, brother.

Stiller's running back, Jalen Warren,

headed into the last year of his deal, just signed a two-year deal extension that keeps him contractually tied to the pittsburgh steers

through 2027.

do you like this move i love this move i was gonna say the same thing because jalen warren he hits that hole like he cares he's hits it he's gonna get north and south he's gonna catch the ball out of the backfield he's gonna block and he looks like he just he just cares to me when i see him run i see his passion i see him him being a being a very very good asset to the team so that's why i think they didn't care as much not never knocking najee love najee but it wasn't as expensive and he was hitting that hole very hard so them being able to keep him i think that's a great move for the stillers i don't think they probably had to pay my man too much but he's worth every penny of whatever they signed up for because uh he's he's he's he deserves back pay He's getting a little back pay in this contract and then this joint right now because he's solid player.

I think he's a good dude.

And I think he's going to be solid for the Steelers for show.

Yeah, I agree with you 100%.

You know, I think, you know, having him there, you know, it gives you a better opportunity to have a running game, which will hopefully help take some of that, you know, pressure off of Rodgers and, you know, stop, you know, allowing the D-line to just pin their ears back in certain situations, keep the game close.

You know, when you got the, when you have, you know, a two, a two-headed monster, so to speak, and I wouldn't even call it a monster you have a two-headed attack and you have a running game that can complement your passing game it's uh you know it's a lot harder to zero in he is a uh you know he's a good running back like you said north and south you know he's going to put his head down and you know if it's nothing but three four yards and a cloud of dust that's all you need to you know keep the change moving so i definitely you know like the move i'm you know i'm i'm all in for it i like that you're a warren jalen warren fan we feel the same way that dude is a he he just gets after it bro

yo man why this dude on chat talk why this dude chat ocean on live talking about he go beat my ass bro no he's not that ocho oh cho that's my good man too me and ocho that's my good man i don't know y'all ain't going no i sent you the word man i'm trying to be i'm trying to be a i'm trying to live my life right be peaceful but what he's doing is he making me go back into the other side no

I'm gonna bust his ass, bro.

I'm sticking to where he can't see out both eyes.

one of his eyes damn near he ain't gonna be able to see out of neither one of them he keeps playing around come on debo see relax debo we gotta chill i'm gonna get on i'm gonna talk to ocho i'm gonna talk to ochro we're gonna talk we all gonna we all gonna just chill ocho say he wanted oh listen ocho go he i'm gonna talk to him with these hands and these feet

and the feet and the feet it's mma style man

it ain't it it ain't nothing stopped you know what let me stop that oh yeah that's what i'm saying i ain't gonna hurt him too bad no man that's my great man come on that's a good dude right there i ain't gonna hurt him too bad i'm just gonna do enough i'll just put him to sleep i'll just choke him out how about that all right just let him tap quick tap

i can't i don't even know if i can let him okay if he tap then quick tap

soon you get on up i'm out nah nah i gotta make like i ain't feel the tap though he got he got at least fall out for a little bit you know what i'm saying

i'm gonna tap you for

who you taking Me or Chad?

We got to get this.

We're getting this set up.

So we're talking about.

Listen, if we're talking MMA, brother, if we're taking MMA, I'm taking you, Debo.

Because I'm telling you,

I mean, how you going to, I'm just done with you.

You grab hold of Chad.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, I don't know how he's going to get out.

He ain't.

He ain't.

And see, that's what I'm going to do because I'm a nice person.

You're going to go ahead and just grab a hold of him.

And just squeeze.

Matter of fact, I'm just going to bear hugging me until he taps.

That's what I'm saying.

Just break a rib.

You know what I'm saying?

Just squeeze him so tight until his rib.

Chill, man.

Chill, Debo.

You know?

Chill, Debo.

That's better than damaging, you know, his vision permanently.

But let's see it.

Look, you can heal from that.

Let's get off my good man, Chad, and get to some more takes.

You out here trying to fight.

Listen, man, I ain't trying to fight.

He on live talking about what he go do to me.

What you want me to do, man?

Yeah, you got to respond.

I got to respond.

What else am I supposed to do?

Not respond?

Yeah, that's my bad.

Listen, man.

So the Giants

got some issues over there, right?

Not even really an issue.

They got some quarterback possibility

things going on.

The Giants have a demanding open season schedule, it looks like...

Commanders, Cowboys, Chiefs, and Chargers over the first four weeks of 2025, buddy.

I've let reports that Russ must engineer wins against those contenders to prevent head coach from benching him for the rookie Dart.

It sounds awfully familiar to 2019 when the plan was for Eli Manning to start

with Jones on the bench.

And then Jones took over at their O2 start.

Do you like

how Jackson Dart played this preseason?

I do.

do you like enough to just be like going here and don't give rush a shot at all no they're doing the same thing that the browns are doing with joe flacco to russell wilson they're literally putting them out there

if you start losing darts on your hands if you win you can hold them all for a little bit longer them dudes bro russell wilson contract one year 11.3 million joe flacco's contract one year for 4 million,

up to 13 if he plays.

So both of them dudes got team-friendly contracts.

The coaches is like this.

We got these vets out there, 14, year, 18, with these rookies behind them.

They're going to look and see what's going on.

They might not get their head beat in off the beginning of the season, watch and learn, see, because it's about to be you out there.

Just take notes.

You know what I'm saying?

So as long as the vets can hold it off, they're going to be out there to play.

Russell, same thing.

He goes, but he got a schedule on his head.

He might go, he might, they might give him four shots.

Okay, so what happens if Russ gets out there?

Russ do his thing.

Somehow, miraculously, he falls back into

the form he had in Seattle and he's doing the thing and he done went pro bowl all pro.

What happens then next year?

Next year, they might give him another one-year jump.

Maybe two.

But what round did they get Dart in, right?

They got Dart in the first round but like patrick you don't get a first rounder to sit him around for like patrick mahomes like patrick mahomes patrick mahomes didn't play patrick mahomes didn't play aaron rodgers didn't play these dudes chilled and as soon as they got in they took off you know what i'm saying if i think if patrick mahomes would have got in before alex smith was ready to move then he might have been looking crazy you know what i'm saying if possibly it's a learning curve

it's a little curve little curve so like i think the longer the day big learning curve i think for quarterbacks it's even it's even bigger.

You know, I mean, you go back to, I mean, well, Ben ended up starting, I believe, his first year after,

I think it might have been an injury or whatever.

But you know what?

Ben had

a running game in all the running game and the defense.

Y'all was knocking people's hairs off and they had a big line and y'all was toting that joint.

So Ben got the opportunity, I believe, to have that.

that learning curve, but actually be in there and do it through the process of the first, you couple years you know where they'd run the ball run the ball hit you with a you know hit you with a deep pass or

run run pass here run run pass here however it was which took you know a lot of a lot of pressure off him especially as being a young quarterback sitting out there trying to read you know defenses you know complicated defenses at that and you know that opportunity i think helped him you know grow even faster um i think you know even to the point of you know where he would, you know, especially when he was real young, he'd, he'd scramble around.

And I think like some of that may have been, you know, just trying to get to the read in time, just maybe couldn't get to the read in time.

And now, you know, the pressure is coming.

So now he scrambles.

And what's the first thing that happens when a quarterback starts scrambling?

Your defense breaks down.

You know, you start trying to get to whoever's near you.

And that's great, you know, when you're a quarterback, because now it's just spot and throw, you know, spot the guy you want to hit and throw it to him.

So I think that, you know, that was something that was beneficial to him, you know, being a young quarterback, having that running game, having that offensive line, having that defense that, you know, was going to make sure that you got opportunities to be able to go out there and just take it, take your time, you know, getting into the NFL system and then having a defense that if you did make a mistake, you know, they were there to back you up and put out the fire.

Yep.

So he ain't feel like they putting the whole everything on him.

It's not all dependent on you.

We're going to be good regardless.

Just don't go out here and mess it all up.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, just be consistent.

Do your part.

Do your 111th and we're going to be good.

I think that's really good for rookies not having to have too much on their head to come in there and like, oh, no, I got to change the franchise.

No, you need to come out here, make sure you know all the reads, know what you're doing, know what everybody's job is, and then we're going to be able to get into it.

Hand the ball all that great running back you got.

You know what I'm saying?

Behind this big line.

So at what point do you think they put in Dart?

And

where is that?

I think it's the same thing.

Just depending on how he starts off the season.

And I think after the first, after Russell Wilson's going to

at least fall.

2-2.

Like Jones.

It goes 0-2.

What happens?

He goes 0-2.

They talking.

He goes 0-2.

He might start the third game.

It may get pulled.

So, you say he goes on to that it's a possibility he gets a chance in the third game, yeah,

having the rook ready to go ahead and step on in.

He might get pulled in the third game, won't make it to the I don't know if he makes it to the fourth if they go on three because the way dart was looking in the preseason.

He looked, yeah, he looked like all right, man, if this gonna be keep losing.

Like, he was you know, the thing I hate about the preseason, man, is that you don't really get to see the players that you're going to get to see in the regular season.

So it may make some guys look better than what they are,

but you're not actually going against the talent that you would be going against.

Because, you know, like you said, like I said, rather, 50 of those guys that just got put in there aren't going to make it.

Nope.

So,

you know, that's again, another six in one hand, half a dozen in the other.

No, a thousand percent.

Yeah.

But do you think that if this doesn't work here and and Russ gets benched, do you think this is the

last stop for him?

Do you think that's

man?

No.

Quarterbacks have 13,000 lives, and I know for sure somebody have him as a backup somewhere.

Like,

yeah, I think he's a good dude.

I don't know.

The circus, they might think Russell has a little bit of stuff going on with him, but in my opinion, I think he'll be able to stay in the league a couple more years for sure.

If not trying to fight for a startup, when you say the circus,

you gotta elaborate on that.

When I say the circus, just the way Russell would

go, go, whatever the team it is, go.

Like, just this little that stuff.

And then some just from Seattle, I don't, he's a good dude.

I like Russell for some people try to say he's a little like corny and then bringing in Sierra.

Like there's more than just it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a little bit of an entourage to him too.

And

I don't mean to say circus.

I don't think it's a circus.

I love Sierra.

I love

nothing but nice to me.

But the way that people always try to make other people's situations seem like, oh, we got so much going on.

NFL owners, they may not want to have time for if your quarterback is not balling like a $50 million quarterback, they might think that that's a lot that comes with him.

So I'm not trying to say that that's me personally.

I'm just trying to say how the way, you know what I'm saying?

I think,

I mean, just from what I've seen and what I heard,

I think to any organization, you know, depending on not any organization, depending on where you're at, I don't think New York, it would, it would be such a thing.

I think in

smaller, yeah, I think in smaller,

less, smaller cities, it would be

more of a distraction, you know,

especially, you know, with the with the entourage that, you know, comes along with it.

And

the players you know you know we in Pittsburgh you know don't nobody go around with you know bodyguards or anything like that everybody goes where they you know goes where they need to go by themselves so

but for me

I think it would be his last stop it's New York it's it's the giants bro yeah

I mean

where where else you go go from there if you

it's probably not to like, just if he wants to stay in the league, you know what I'm saying?

You know how you got those guys, man.

At the end of the day, backup quarterbacks is probably one of the easiest positions to have in the league.

If you go back to the business.

Do he want to be a backup quarterback making, you know,

league minimum?

And, you know, it's a lot that goes on with you having all that stuff around you.

Is that even

worth it at that point?

You know what I'm saying?

No, no, no, for sure.

I don't think it would be worth it to Russ, but you never know, like, if he wants to still be involved in the game, like this is what he's doing.

But at the same time, like you said, he got a lot of stuff going on off the field.

So he may not

like 11, 11 million a year right now to him is he's he got dope.

So he's not really worried, may not be worried about the bread as much, but I'm like, for the love of the game, if you want to go give yourself a shot to try to continue, you're right.

I don't know who many teams maybe give him that.

starting opportunity.

If he's okay with the backup role, then that might be a situation.

He might just got to be like, you know what?

Like my time time is up.

Or like, you got to gracefully bow out.

The league gonna let you know when your time is up.

When you start getting them calls, you know, like, oh, ain't nobody hitting.

Okay.

So I guess it's my time to go ahead and go.

Yeah,

I'll agree with you on that.

That

I think it's going to come down to him going somewhere and them saying, okay, you're going to be the starter.

I don't think that's going to happen.

Him going somewhere and being okay with saying, okay, I'm going to be the backup to blah, blah, blah.

You know, it gives you a, you know, a person that has played in this game for a while, understands things to, you know, and can come in and give you that

fill-in when you would need it.

But is he willing to do that?

That's going to be the big thing that is going to be yet to be seen, I would say.

As far as him being corny, man, he ain't corny, dude.

I don't think he's corny either, bro.

I think

he's a very

he's him, dude.

And it's not, it's not, see, Corney is being fake to me.

That's him.

He's not being fake.

Yes.

Okay.

No.

It's just totally him.

I met the dude, sat down with him, you know,

ate, and I'm sitting there and I'm looking and I'm talking to him.

And we're, you know, we're there for a few hours.

And I'm like,

like, this is really him.

Like, this is really the guy he is.

It's the dude you see, you know,

on the on TV.

You know,

you know,

that's him.

That's authentically him.

It's, it's not, I mean, some people may call it corny, but it's only corny if you're doing it and it ain't you.

But that's, that's, that's him, man.

It was, uh, it was, yeah, it was, I ain't gonna lie, man, it kind of surprised me to see.

And I'm like, I'm about to see, you know, the real him.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, I didn't know I had never met him.

I'm like, all right, I'm about to see him behind closed doors with, you know, know what ain't really in front of the cameras

i'm sitting there and i'm like yo that's really him man it's genuine bro it's genuine genuine he's super super chill too and that's like you said too you said corny is somebody pretending to be something they're not that's not russ no no

yeah that's authentically him man for sure hell yeah

Hold on, man.

So, who else we got going?

The Cowboys?

The Cowboys, we got

we got my guy right here, Blaine.

That boy got four year, 92 million extension, including 50 million guaranteed.

He will average 23 million.

Makes him the sixth highest paid corner in the league.

How you think?

Never mind.

I ain't going to get messed.

I'm going to ask you how you think.

Michael, feel about that.

No, man.

No, what do you think?

Hey, what do you think?

What do you think of the deal, though?

Oh, man, I think that's a great deal.

He went and got 23 a year,

six highest paid cornerback.

I think from that year when he went all pro, Pro Bowl, he had like nine picks, a couple picks, sixes in a row.

I think he had like five that season or something.

I think it was five that season, bro.

Yeah.

So, yeah, he stepped on it.

And then last year, he think he got injured.

So he missed 10 games.

But he, like you said, back pay.

He wasn't a high pick.

And now he's able to get that bag.

And now him opposite of Diggs.

I think they should be able to kind of lock down that secondary a little bit more, man.

Just get be consistent, get some picks, man.

Keep the big

in front of them.

I'm gonna go ahead and explain to the people back pay.

So, when we say back pay,

back pay means I played my first, say, three or four years, three or four years, okay, and I'm on a rookie deal.

That rookie deal, if I'm good,

or that rookie deal, if you play above it, means that those years that you played, you played at the level of, say,

top five guy in the league.

Those top five guys in the league make a certain amount of money.

That certain amount of money over those three years averaged out to something.

So when it comes time for the deal, they won't back pay.

which you should get your back pay because you played for $2 million a year or $3 million a year when you played at a level for a guy that should be making $20 million a year so as soon as i get to that deal i'm gonna need 40 60 million dollars of back pay which should be guaranteed plus what you see my future being another

20 or so and that's where we at with a nice little four-year 92 million dollar contract extension

that's what we're talking about when we say back pay i could break down the contract for you for the back pay debo and that is the uh micah parsons contract and that's exactly why we get to this back pay.

Micah Parsons signed four years, $17 million fully guaranteed in his rookie contract.

That good man was making $4.4 million a year while he was sacking the quarterback 10 to 15 times a year.

12 plus each season, 12 plus each season.

While at the same time, we got TJ Watt, Miles Garrett, making $25 million a year.

And then they read up.

This is their second contract that they hit the ass forward.

So Miles hit him again, hit him for five years, $125, then hit him again for four years 160.

micah parsons is coming off of making 4.4 million dollars in his first rookie deal and 4.1 year so 10.4 rookie deal got a nice little sign of bonus nine nine million then 1.4 the next year after taxes my man touched 700 000

year three 2.2 after tax my man touch 1.3 million dollars

year four

2.9 he's touching 1.6 1.7 million so he's sitting here looking around and miles making 25 then he reads up for 40.

he needs his pay this first contract is your back pay and it's your biggest contract the one where no matter what happens i'm going to be able to to provide be good this is when you start making generational that first contract that 17 million understand everybody's oh the generational wealth but you understand When you're looking at another man making the same, playing the same position, doing the same thing as you, that's making $25 million a year to $40 million a year and you making four,

it just baffles you.

So you have to get to your bag initially first for back pay and front pay.

And then I think- I think what a lot of people don't understand is the

lack of

financial education that we as players didn't have.

I was one of them, you know, my first.

My first year, I saved up a lot because I was practice squad, you know, that was that.

But when I got my first deal, that was, you know, like 5 million, like like three or four years, 5 million.

At the end of that deal, dude, I had about 300,000 in the bank.

I had a house and a car.

I was spending it as fast as I was getting it because I wasn't even counting it.

Yeah.

And I didn't, you know, I didn't have that.

that understanding that like, yo, this could be over with and it could all end out of nowhere.

You're like, oh, my next check is going to be this.

I'm going to be good.

You're not, you're you're not looking, you know, further into the future.

That's why when, you know, I got my big deal, all I did was, you know, I get money, I invested.

I get money, I invested.

You know, they say, you get it and spend it.

No, I was, I was investing it because I had then got old enough to understand and see that, you know what?

I got to be able to save.

And the biggest thing for me that happened for me, dude, to be honest with you, when I got my second deal is I had my son, James, and I was like, oh, shit,

I got to take care of somebody else.

I got to make sure that, you know, he's taken care of, that he has something

when the time comes that I'm no longer here.

And, you know, then I backed that up with Henry and I'm like, whoa,

like, I can't, you know, God forbid I leave this world early.

I at least got to leave him something.

I mean, no matter when you leave, they're going to be hurt.

But, you know, it's going to help a little more if they have something to lean on.

You know what I mean?

saying?

A thousand percent.

Yeah.

So that was what really, you know, got me to where I was like, yo, I can't, I can't keep doing what, you know, what I'm doing.

No, for sure.

Cause, bro, at the end of the day, they didn't teach that in school, in high school.

They didn't teach you about money in middle school, high school, when you went to college.

So you go from making really nothing to now you really getting checks.

And at the end of the day, the taxes, all of that stuff is a real thing.

People see your 5 million.

You didn't touch $5 million and it was in five years.

So you busting that down, you touched two and a half, and then you have to live your damn self.

And people think you got five.

Yeah, and you helping, you know, you helping, you helping this.

You're doing all that because you, you know, you're not really, you're not counting it, dude.

You're not counting it.

I'm trying to get people to understand, like, guys aren't counting this.

They're not, especially when you first get in there.

You know, boy, when you first get in, you're not thinking.

You think you're going to play forever.

You're never

going to be in the league.

So that next check, that next

three thousand dollars for my signing bonus and you couldn't tell me

oh you thought that was 300 million bro you couldn't sell me nothing man so yeah it's just the just that that's the part too with us being able to stay in the league so that first contract and then some people they get cut so that's the part where how did they go broke i could show you easily like it's not that difficult and you think

you all know they could last forever let me tell you something if you can't can't manage your little 200, 300, 400, you're not going to be able to manage a lot more money.

300 million, period, dude.

You're going to be able to, you're going to start doing things that you think that is cool and sweet and all that.

So just being able to get financially literate and then being able to do that, if you did spend that at the beginning, now

teach to all young athletes.

And they

are requirement.

And the part is too, you can't knock kids also because if you never had it, you want to, you can't tell them they can't do nothing.

You're going to be able to have a budget.

You're going to be able to spend some stuff.

Oh, I know you threw away plenty of money on cars and everything else.

You know it.

And some jewelry and things.

But at the same time, just you got to give yourself a budget.

Have a little bit of fun, but knowing at the end of the day, we're planning for if

this contract was to end today.

You know what I'm saying?

Not you're dependent on next contracts, next deals.

You know how many guys, when I first got in the league, it was like, yo, man, man, I got to get to this next contract, and I ain't got nothing, I got to get to this next contract,

and 70% of them never got to it.

Weird, they trained they planning on spending money that you don't even have yet.

That's the crazy part.

You like, oh, yeah, this whole joint right here, wait, but I get the next one, that's when I'm gonna start saving.

Oh,

it's too late for that, boss, man.

Look like, uh, look like we done, we done ran over a little bit.

Um,

so uh, what we're gonna do here is we're gonna let y'all know, I hope y'all enjoyed the first ever

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