Deebo & Joe - James Harrison reacts to Aaron Rodgers Steelers debut + Bills MIRACULOUS win vs Ravens

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Welcome back to episode of Debo and Joe.

I'm your host, James Debo Harrison.

Here's my co-host, Joe Hayden.

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So, you know, Joe,

I'm feeling a little different today.

I'm feeling all right.

How you feeling today, babe?

I can tell.

Honestly, Debo, when you always keep throwing this shade, my side, understand.

I'm even.

I love the Browns.

I love the Steelers.

When the Steelers do good, I feel well.

When the Browns do good, I feel well.

When they don't good.

Okay, okay.

So that being the case, let me ask you a question who when you when you go into the hall what you going in at

it would be a cleveland brown debo it would be that's all i was checking out look

that's all i was checking you know what i'm saying okay

look bump all that let's talk about let's talk about your stillness how are you feeling i see you feeling swole chested today listen bro i'm feeling real double toweled up i woke up in the morning you know like ricky bobby and we just piss excellence you know when when when we win i get french you know what I'm saying?

I kind of don't, I kind of don't know what to do with my hands, you know.

You know, I, I just, I,

what did I?

Oh, you got rings on your finger.

Oh, my bad.

I didn't even notice that.

They just, they just be there sometimes.

Anyway, uh, but uh,

let me go here.

Let me get you.

Let me get you.

Let me give you a view of that one right here.

This one right here.

You go really like this one, Joe.

You're going to really like this one.

Oh,

it's two of them things over there.

What is that?

It's two of them things over there.

Debo,

I couldn't be more proud.

I couldn't be more proud.

You deserve it.

You deserve it.

You worked hard for those Super Bowl rings.

You worked hard for those Super Bowl rings.

And you know what?

You deserve to flaunt them.

And I'm here.

And then, listen,

I got the black version of it too, though.

You know what I'm saying?

I keep it off.

It's just.

Yeah.

That's just how you

go sometimes.

Congratulations, Debo.

You know, you deserve it.

Sometimes it happened like that.

You know, I'm here to give you your flowers.

I mean, you, you know, I'm giving my Stillers they flowers.

We're giving all of them.

You're Stillers Nation, you know, rise up.

This is what we do, man.

You know what I'm saying?

That's just how it happens, man.

You so excited.

You so excited.

I'm just saying.

I'm just saying.

We go out there.

I mean, 34, 32.

You know, what we got right here, Aaron's Rodgers, he threw four touchdowns in his debut, bro.

He did.

He had a four touchdown, zero interception game.

That's the 28th time in his career, dude.

He ties, guess who?

Tom Brady for the most in NFL history.

Roger said to him, he said, there's probably people in this organization that didn't think I could play anymore.

So it was nice to remind those people that I still can.

I'm just happy to beat everybody associated with the Jets.

You know what, man?

I was extremely, extremely happy to see Aaron back in Aaron form.

That is something that we really didn't get to see a lot of last year when he was with the Jets.

So

I'm happy.

How surprised are you to see how well Aaron did in this game?

Honestly, I'm not surprised at all.

I'm not surprised at all.

Remember, I said this before, Aaron Rodgers is one of my favorite quarterbacks of all time, being able to throw the ball, putting it in positions that are amazing.

He doesn't turn the ball over.

He's not going to be the reason that they lose the game.

He's going to be the reason why they normally are going to win a game.

So I just think with even this time, the defense didn't play as good as I expected.

They were running the ball very, very free.

Bryce Hall, he was breaking through everything.

You know what I'm saying?

Looking like he wasn't getting touched a lot of the time.

So I just love the fact that Aaron Rodgers, no matter what happens, they was able to win the game.

He wasn't turning the ball over.

He threw four touchdown passes in completion.

It was just great to see.

It was like an artist at work.

And that's what I love to see that he normally does.

And at the beginning of the game.

It's going to be the line protecting him, trying to keep him upright because he's not as mobile as he used to be.

So at the first play of the game, he got sacked.

I was a little spooked.

I just wanted to see him get up.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, come on, lion, just keep him upright.

He is a little older.

So as long as they protect him, he's going to be able to put the ball where it needs to be.

He's not going to turn the ball over.

He's not going to lose games for the Steelers.

So that was just good to see him, Coach Tomlin, and Cam leaving after the joint.

Aaron Rodgers, like, yeah, I don't hear nothing now.

I don't hear nothing now.

So yeah, it was good to see.

Yeah, so I'm going to tell you something.

This is the first time I have ever watched every game that was played on a Sunday, dude.

Like, I've seen a lot of games, and it's going to sound crazy.

I've never, I was never a player that was like this, but just watching the games and not being in a position where I'm able to control it now, I'm trying to get like an insight of who I think is going to do what, you know, how, how much, you know,

who's going to win, basically, you know what I mean?

I can't control it.

And

just from this week, just looking, I believe there's a little bit of luck or how shall I say,

missed opportunities or

favor almost, dude, as far as who

will have that edge at the end.

You know, you go back to Aaron.

Aaron had four touchdowns and he had no picks.

It was a couple opportunities there where they had the ball in their hand.

and they missed that opportunity.

You know, you get into it later in the game and you get the bobble all the way around and DK comes up with the ball.

You know, I go to other games, you know, even at the start of the Baltimore, you know, game, it was right there on the first drive.

Raven had the ball in his hand, opportunity.

He, he, he missed the opportunity, drops the ball.

They go on to score seven.

You know what I'm saying?

So when I, when I,

when I, when I'm looking at all these games, dude, it, uh, I don't know if I'm just, you know, trying to pick out something.

You know, how you watching film, I'm back to, you know, watching film.

I done seen every game.

So I'm trying to get some type of insight to what's going on.

My big positives, I should say, from this is

able to see Aaron

get back into the form that we're used to seeing him play and really impacting the game

in the most positive way.

Something else is the special teams.

You know, the special teams,

they made big plays.

They

gave the defense, well, gave the offense another opportunity that they wouldn't have had.

You know, you've got Bosworth.

He's back.

He's, you know, he looks like he's back at what the form was he left off last year.

So those are positive.

But again, as you were saying,

you say it's a little thing, but my big cause for concern is the offensive line.

Like the fact that Aaron has a great knowledge and understanding of the game is the reason he wasn't pressured more than he was.

And he was pressured during that game, even with him getting the ball off.

So to have him back there and able to see it right now and get the ball off, able to check out of things and make it a quick route and

now.

The offensive line not being able to get efficient run blocking.

you know no consistency in the run blocking that's another thing where you know aaron had to adjust to having nils.

Well, you know, how it goes to an actual run game alternative where instead of handing the ball off, you just throw it right now and let the receiver, you know, try and get yards, you know, so you can still stay ahead of the sticks.

That was a cause of concern for me as far as the offense went.

The defense, dude, we got to be able to stop the run.

That's for sure.

I was not,

you know, impressed or happy with how our D-line was playing, how the whole defense was playing

to be honest with you.

We didn't have any

real consistency in stopping the run.

I think they almost averaged, what, five yards a carry?

I would think so at least.

Yeah.

So

when you, you know, you add that to the fact that we didn't have real consistent, you know, quarterback pressure, you know, on

him to get him to be able to

have to let the ball go sooner than he wanted to.

That's my biggest issue.

I don't see it as a panic.

I just see it as concern.

It's the first game.

You have guys that come out and play up.

You have some guys that may get a little nervous and may not play up to the level that they're capable of.

I will put a lot of that on with the Jets.

I think Justin Fields played an amazing game.

i think him with with bryce hall being able to have that run game consistent he was using his legs he looked like a wide receiver he looked like a running back out there when he was toting the ball hitting the edge full speed you know i'm saying trying to get those first downs and then some of those passes to wilson was actually on the money and when that run game is that good when bryce hall's breaking runs for 10 15 yards and then uh justin fields is like doing that read option, taking it and pulling, running for 15 yards, it's going to bring up that the defense.

So I think he was doing a good job of, you know, just keeping us kind of on our heels.

We didn't know really what to do.

If he was going to run it, if Hall was going to run it, or if he was actually going to throw.

Well, that's what happens when

you can't stop the run.

You're opening up a whole can of worms because now the play action comes into play.

And they were keeping Phil's, you know, upright for most of it.

So now he's having the time to actually look and see and

know where he needs to put the ball without being rushed to say, okay, I think it's going to be here because I'm feeling this pressure.

I'm either going to get, I'm either going to get hit, sacked, or whatever.

And without having a consistent, you know, run, you can't consistently stop the run game.

They were just basically almost like having their way, you know, at points of the game.

And if it wasn't for, you know, you know, Aaron going and doing something that puts him, you know, like you said, the 28th time, four touchdown, no interception game.

And that was one of the big things where, you know, we didn't have a turnover.

They did.

It gave us another possession.

And the outcome, you know, is the outcome.

Back to A-Rod, too.

Like you said, he was getting into different options, a lot of different players.

I didn't even know who 15 was when he got the first touchdown pass to the game.

It worked out when

he works out at the same gym with my trainer out there in

Arizona.

That's why I knew who he was.

Shout out, shout out 15 because

he was spazzing.

Yeah, yeah, he did his thing.

He did his thing for sure.

um

what about

oh and my last let hold before you go before you go i had to say the thing too you should you talk to my man bankroll boss that's what i called him when i was there with the stillers bankroll boss bank roll boss he's gonna come through in the clutch he's looking sweet he's doing what he got to do i love boss me and boss had a great relationship every time he kicked it off when i ran defense ran out me and him dapped up every time i love him he had an off year a couple years ago but we went to the pro bowl together And that's another clutch part, special teams.

Him, Danny Smith, coach Danny Smith, all that gum in his mouth.

He's one of the best special teams coaches for sure still in the league.

He's the man.

So I think him with Bank Robos.

And then we got veteran A-Rod.

Their team is just looking like.

And now, like I said, way to just win.

Win.

And you can understand now.

Let's go 2-0.

You know what I'm saying?

We got the Seahawks coming to the crib.

So shout out Bank Robos.

Shout out Danny Smith.

They look good.

Week one.

definitely definitely so let's let's get over here to this this bills ravens game man uh the ravens had a 15 point lead dude and they're in the fourth quarter

um

it says they had a 91

90 99.1 win probability 40 to 25 with with less than five minutes to go um

what we got derek here costly fumble in the fourth quarter um my thing is this on this i'm not going

again, I told you I was watching these games, man.

I done watched all these games.

So I'm going into the category again of, you know,

missed opportunities and

all that stuff.

So the first quarter, you had Joss Allen and he's going down.

He throws the ball, the Raven, straight into his hand.

He drops it.

They end up scoring.

They end up scoring.

seven points on that, right?

So in my head now, like I said, I'm watching all these games.

Maybe it's, you know, the luck is leaning towards them, right?

Yeah.

And then you get to the end of the, you know, of the second, end of the second quarter, begin, you know, and 30 seconds left, I believe they had.

And you let them go down there and score three points.

You know what I hate?

I hate the pre-event defense, dude.

I think it prevents

a regular defense until your opponent.

Don't you go and you give him, you give Josh Allen all this time.

You rush no one, like no one on that plate.

And you think he's not going to find a way to come up with that?

That

makes no sense.

Now, again, going back to the left thing, you get into the third quarter, you know, they had a penalty.

The penalty ends up giving them an opportunity.

The bills go down.

They score again.

Okay.

It's, you know,

yeah, it may be what it be.

Okay.

So

you get to the fourth quarter, right?

And they're still, to me, as if they're playing, you know, their regular offense and defense.

and i believe it was cooks you know they pressured him he did a little pass he goes down and he gets almost you know he almost gets the touchdown right so they go back and forth for a hot second then baltimore they go and i believe it was about 12 minutes left in the fourth quarter okay

and they score and then they missed the pat that's when they're talking about it was 25 to 40.

in my head i'm like, yo, this is a two-score game.

And in these two scores, you could possibly lose because if they go for two both times, that puts them at 41, you at 40.

This is what I'm thinking in my head, right?

So

the game goes,

they go to the run the ball,

try and burn the clock.

And it looks like to me, the defense goes to the prevent the big pass,

all that stuff, right?

Yes.

What happens?

Again, I told you, I've been watching these games.

I'm feeling like that luck thing hitting again.

It's still 90%, 90% you, but you get the tip pass that goes to Coleman for a touchdown, right?

Buffalo, now remind you, they still have all their timeouts, okay?

Baltimore's going back on the field, okay.

The very first play,

fortune, misfortune, three minutes left.

Derrick Henry fumbles the rock, dude.

Buffalo scores, okay?

They score

two minutes.

Well, I don't think it was a little after two minutes.

I think it was like 150-something that was left on the clock.

Now, mind you, they still got all their timeouts.

Right then and there, I'm like, this is not going to end well.

I believe.

that they're going to lose the game.

How do you lose the game?

I don't care that they lost.

I do care that they lost the game.

Only reason I care that they lost the game.

It's the Ravens.

I want them to lose.

I want them to lose all the time.

i wish everybody could have lost only reason cincinnati or cleveland could have lost because they was playing each other right so i want them to lose but what i hate seeing is the defenses that it looked like to me go and start shutting it down and packing it up because they think they're far enough ahead that you can lax into it even with the defensive calling like the defensive calling didn't even look the same to me it looked like a you know up you keep everything up front don't let them get big plays you know tackle the catch like Like, I don't think that's something you can do.

Obviously, it's not something you could do when they have Josh Allen.

Plus, they got like all their timeouts.

Them boys didn't even have to use a timeout until it was, what,

after

a minute, something when they got the ball back.

It's, and then again, they went to the Ravens.

Hey, they go run the ball and make them use their timeouts.

Well, it don't work if they're knowing that you're just going to run the ball.

You got to let Lamar open up that playbook, give them an opportunity to make a play.

Like you win some, you lose something.

I ain't sight being 50-50.

I'm thinking they would have liked to have took a chance of passing the Rocky

and seeing what happened.

You feel like they were playing not to lose instead of to win the game.

I felt like when they got to that fourth quarter with

the 12 minutes left.

they started playing to run the clock out and make them use up clock to try and score.

It wasn't the same offense that they had the first, you know, three and so quarters.

It wasn't the same defense that they played the first, you know, three or so quarters.

That's

I feel like I feel like a thousand percent.

But the part where you were saying that you watching the games and the misfortune happened,

when my man, you're up 15 points, right?

And you have Derrick Henry and you have Lamar Jackson.

When he fumbled that ball,

that's just unfortunate.

We can't can't have that when we're trying to close out the bills.

You know what I'm saying?

That's just something that can't happen.

And then when we do get the ball back, understanding, they only need a field goal to beat us.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, not only do they don't have to just score, they just need a field goal.

We need to keep the ball away from Josh Allen.

Nothing that we've done is showing me that we're going to be able to stop him with our defense.

So it's fourth and two.

I'm going for it.

I'm handing the joint to Lamar.

Lamar and Derrick Henry.

We're running a re-option.

We're doing something with maybe like a little pass option in the flat.

I'm I'm keeping the ball in our hands.

We're going to determine if we're going to be able to close this out with a fourth and two, one play to win the game.

You get this first down.

Now you can basically kneel it out.

You punted it back to Josh Allen, depending on your defense, which has shown me we can't stop him right now.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, what are we doing?

It doesn't look like they couldn't stop him at all.

He needs to get a field goal.

So, like, at the end of the day, what my thing is, everything being what it was, we're up 15.

Derrick Henry fumbled.

All right.

Boom.

They got the ball back.

They scored.

They're going to get the ball and score again.

or get a field goal.

Something.

I'm not letting him get the ball back if I'm the Ravens.

You know what I'm saying?

So that's my mindset.

You got to play to win the game.

You're already playing back, letting them just dink and dunk down the field and scoring you.

Keep the ball in your best player's hands and try to get that first down to close it out.

Don't leave it on the defense.

So I think that's where they messed up.

Yeah.

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List loss on me.

I'll take care of the ball.

I feel like it would be different.

It would be a different, if I take care of the ball, I feel like it would be a different situation.

I don't, I don't, yes, if he does that, it, you know, it makes it to where they have a better opportunity to win.

But I think it was a combination of what looked like to me, you know, the offense.

trying to burn time and the defense trying not to get big plays you know uh chalked up on them and just playing you're going to play calling you got to stay aggressive

you got it you got to stay on don't act like we're not trying to we're not trying to just walk out of here we want to beat them we want to continue to score points you know what i'm saying not like looking at the clock clock watch

right so you know you go in situation like this and you lose you know that right there is going to going to wear you know on your confidence you know going into another situation where you may be in that same you know in that same situation and now you're kind of, you know, things start going, they get, they get a little touch here, they get a little, little something there.

You know, that's something that may creep into, you know, some guys' minds.

I'm hoping that it's not, but, you know,

when you're out there calling and

you're playing through it, especially when you can't make the calls.

as a offensive, sorry, as a defensive play caller and you're taking your calls from, you know, the coordinator,

it gets frustrating yeah and i think now too it's starting to get to a point where the ravens got to start looking at it's really it's nobody else but the bills or the chiefs you know what i'm saying like they start like it gets a little tight these situations no other teams are beating the ravens in in this game they have 15 of anybody else i'm not seeing them losing i can see if it's the bills with josh allen or the chiefs with patrick mahomes where they've been in situations it just got a little sticky got tricky where they just can't close out these teams i don't know why something like you said the play calling too

You got to give, like I said, it's 90%.

It's 90%, you know, the player.

You know, you got to give credit to Josh Allen, you know, the Rainier B.

He went, what, 33 for 46 with almost 400 yards passing, two touchdowns, you know, along with, you know, two more scores on the ground, you know, so

you can't just, you know, say it was he, he, he balled out, no doubt, no question, but the, the Ravens, you know, they gave him, I believe they gave him him a little help by making it a little easier and not putting the pressure on him, not playing your defense the way you were playing it before.

You know, you allowed him to actually become the Bills' all-time rushing leader in that game for touchdowns.

You know what I'm saying?

Like the corner became the Russian leader

for a football team in franchise history.

That's wild.

Should Josh Allen be

an early MVP favorite after this, you think?

I think so for sure.

Like this, he, him, the way that he does, the way that that he does it, the way that he goes out there and consistently uses his legs if he got to use his legs.

He threw the ball 46 times for almost 400 yards.

You know what I'm saying?

So whatever they need him to do, he gets it done.

And it's going against the Baltimore Ravens.

They put up 40 points and they put up 41.

So, I mean, like, these numbers, the stats, what he's been doing, I mean, obviously he needs to be in one of the top for MVP contention right now.

Yeah, yeah, I would say that.

But again, you know, it's week one.

Let's not jump the gun.

I mean, reigning MVP, you know, we'll get past that.

Although I think Lamar should have had it last year, but I was good.

I think Lamar should have had it last year for sure.

Yeah.

But, you know, you got to look at, you got to look at, you know, other games.

You got to look at other quarterbacks.

I like Aaron.

You know, that was 136 rating or something like that.

Like,

like, like, come on.

I know he did something.

He came back.

He did all that.

You know, but, you know, Aaron did it.

You know, he was getting pressured.

You know,

he he didn't have a run game with him you know i like i like aaron i'm just i mean it's probably because he's not i'm not debating i love aaron aaron through two tutties you know what i'm saying to multiple different receivers and it's not like and dk metcalf didn't have the craziest game right he spread it around uh run we didn't brush with too many yards so if it wasn't for him you know i'm saying the stillers would have been in a completely different situation For sure, for sure, especially with defense struggling and everything else.

Yeah, that,

like I said i'm a i'm going towards you know i'm going i'm going towards the black and yellow because you know we

you get real french man i get real you know what i'm saying i get real french i started doing things like talking with my hands i don't know why because i'm not really that kind of person you know what i'm saying but i you know i do that real and then you know

they let josh allen do that And then the Bills fans, they got crazy with it too.

They started putting their hands on people, man.

like somebody somebody threw a drink at derrick henry during this touchdown run and i believe uh lamar

lamar and um

what's the he got shoved in the head dude he dude in in his helmet bro like what are you doing in that situation um um you know i'm gonna try to stay away from the crowd but at the end of the day though he was hot he's seen his man henry get slapped beside the head i saw him jump in there give him a little little shove said dude hit him in the head too, though.

He got in the head too.

Only yes.

Yes, he pushed, he pushed, he pushed,

dude didn't do nothing.

The first, the first, the first person he pushed in the head, dude didn't do nothing.

Then he went, the same cat pushed Lamar and Lamar pushed him back.

Like, what are you doing?

Like,

what else should they do to these fans, man?

It's not okay to keep putting your hands on people, you know, but you know, yeah, they need to, I don't know, that Lamar did what he had listen listen if it's me

if i'm the commissioner you need to lock them up do you realize that in some states assault is simply me saying i'm gonna kick your ass

i just made you fearful that's assault now battery in some states is just unwanted touching that's worse at at best case like it's battery worst case it's assault and battery what are we talking about Y'all talk about protecting the players.

The NFL shield talked about protecting the players.

That dude should have charges put on him and he should be sitting in jail, ready to go to court.

Protect the players in everything, not just where it's head trauma and everything else that y'all really worried about your wallet and not the player.

Every situation.

You are not lying.

If they will be getting charged with assault and battery, I promise you they will not put hands on any players.

I think that would be for sure.

Right.

Like I said, assault is just unwanted touching in some, you don't put your hands on people.

People won't put their hands on them on you.

Yeah.

Nobody touch nobody.

Nobody touched nobody.

You keep your hands to yourself.

You treat people the way you want to be treated.

You know what I'm saying?

Just the simple things.

That's what we get into the basics.

Let me pose a question.

Let me pose a question.

Let me, you don't even know what I'm talking about.

I ain't going to say,

you got to look at the, you got to, I'll send you, I'll send you the, uh, this, the shot, the shot.

Send me to that.

Yeah, I'll send it to you.

Let's go on over here, man, and see what your

Brownies did with the Bangles.

So the Bangles beat the Browns 17 to 16, man.

Dang, the Browns outganged the Bangles 327 to 114 and had the ball on nearly 36 minutes, dude, but it wasn't enough, brother.

What went good?

What went wrong?

What do you think the Browns could have did better to come out and edge that game off?

So the Browns defense, shout out to the defense.

I wasn't going to lie.

The first drive, Chase Brown just drove the ball straight down the field.

He was running through everything to score.

They tightened up.

Miles Garrett did amazing, had sacks.

It's just, we need to, end of the day, we, Jamar Chase, Higgins, they have Joe Burrow.

They have an explosive offense.

We kept them to 17 points.

We got to figure out a way to score a little bit more points.

I think Jerry Judy, he ended up, he dropped some passes in some particular spots.

We just got to be able to get points on the board, man.

Be able to make consistent first downs, keep drives going, and put points on the board.

I think that was just the biggest thing.

Our defense did well.

Our offense just can't never, we can't really establish our identity.

We don't know what our identity identity is.

So I think that's, that's the main thing for the Browns.

But I'm really excited for the defense, but the offense still.

How do you think?

How do you think Flacco played, man?

Sure.

He didn't do,

he didn't do, he didn't do awful.

He didn't do awful.

I don't think some of our receivers helped him out.

You know, and I don't think our run game obviously helped him out either.

You know, he's not going to be a guy.

He threw the ball 45 times.

You know what I'm saying?

That's a lot of those for Joe.

I think we need to have more of a run game to be able to lean on it for him.

Like him stepping back, throwing it 45 times is not a winning process for the Browns to win a lot of games.

I don't think.

I think we need to be.

Yeah,

I didn't think Cincinnati had that

good of a defense, and especially along with how the Browns had been doing in previous years running the ball, I thought it would be

one of those situations where they could possibly squeeze it out at the end.

But like you said, to see Joe in there doing 45

passes,

that's not something that that i that i expected you know

45 passes and then we throw one tight one one tighty and two picks we can't be having the turnovers that's the part where no hey one of the picks ain't his fault

one of the picks ain't his fault it came up out his hand

that's the jerry judy that's the jerry judy he bounced it to him now that's when i said the jerry judy dropped but that's where i'm talking about the turnovers we just can't be giving the ball up we got to make sure we got to be at least get three at least get three the ends drives when we we need to be able to get some points.

So, I mean, I think just we got to catch the ball and hopefully we got to run the ball better and not have Mr.

Joe Flacco dropping back 45 times because that is not what I think is our formula to win games.

Okay, yeah, for sure.

Sure.

Let's get on over here to the Packers, man.

The Packers beat the Lions 27 to 13.

Jordan Love through a pair of touchdown passes, and Parsons had a sack in Green Bay's debut.

What did

you think of that game, man?

Did you expect it?

Did you think that the Packers would win?

I thought it was going to be a lot closer than this.

I thought the Lions and the Packers were more like on the same level to see who was going to be on the top of their division.

But at the end of the day, the Packers, like I said, I mean, Jordan Love balled out.

And Michael Parsons, he didn't play as many snaps, but like I said, his effort to the ball, his, you know what I'm saying, he got him a sack.

And like he was chasing.

when he was chasing the quarterback, he looked like he didn't have a chance.

His effort, his energy, I loved him being around the team, man.

He brought, he brought some juice.

I'm going to take back what I said to him.

He looks very happy.

I think it might be a good thing for everybody to be in the facility on Tuesdays in Wisconsin.

That's not a bad thing.

You know what I'm saying?

It's a good thing for everybody to be.

It's a good thing.

It's a good thing.

You're going to be able to get it anywhere, dude, on Tuesdays, because you know everybody is dedicated to that same thing.

1,000%.

Nothing else is coming before.

It's the season.

It's the season.

When they had the thing off, where would we rather be but to study the tape to study the film to get right you're going to get the extra lift that's that extra that's that i think this is going to be the difference yeah i think jordan i'm with you i think i think he played i think he played excellent and you know i again you know i go i go back to the same thing you know it was a it was a little opportunity there where they had a ball in their hand and they could have could have got it going the other way you know i'm just i'm just looking for something that'll give me an ass that's all it is no i'm not looking for anything

trust me as a fan when you watching these games and you start to see it, you like, you know, how when you're playing it like this, stuff happens, you know what I'm saying?

Like, oh no, some of he just stripped him, but you like, when you're watching it, you like, yeah,

I think the big thing for uh Detroit was, oh, sorry, for Green Bay, was

they gave Jordan the time that he needed to do what he needed to do.

They, they, they blocked him well.

I, I, I was thinking that, you know, Detroit would be able to get, you know, more pressure than they did, would, you know, would be able to

stop, you know, what was going on.

The other thing is that

both sides of Detroit's offensive and defensive coordinators,

they changed.

They gone.

Yeah, it's new guys in there.

And as much as people don't want to say,

we still got the same system, nothing to change.

Well, you got a different play caller, man.

That changes a lot.

Sitting in there with Dick LeBeau, as long as I had him, it was a blessing.

Dick LeBeau would sit on the sideline and he didn't even even have a chart.

He'd sit there and he'd be like,

blah, blah, blah, blah.

And he'd call the defense from his head by looking at the personnel.

So when you're a, you know, when you're a coordinator, you want to be a great coordinator, great offensive defense, especially a defensive coordinator, you're, you're, you're playing a game of chess with the offensive coordinator.

Yes.

You know, it's, it's, it's times, well, all of Coach LeBeau's defenses, every, every defense has one weakness.

When you start trying to cover more more than one weakness, you make holes in it.

And he would tell us, okay, listen, we're going to run this.

If this happens, that's on me because that's on the defense.

So he's out there.

He's playing chess and he's trying to make better moves than his offensive coordinator opponent.

And I think when

Detroit lost those two coordinators to head jobs, when they hired the other two dudes so they could, you know, keep the same system

and that's a good thing to do they were thinking that the the turnaround of you know

playing out the offense playing out the defense would be the same and it's it's it's not the same because now you have to let that new coordinator get into a groove get a feel of the game just as we as players get a feel of the game when you have a offensive or defense coordinator that gets a feel of the game he can make better calls that are dictated to make better plays against certain formations and everything else.

That way, it gives you a better opportunity to have

better play.

A thousand percent.

Like I'm with you.

I still believe that Green Bay was going to win the game, but I didn't believe that it would get

as sideways as it.

it ended up getting, which really the score doesn't justify how, you know, how outsideways it was.

Like Like

they couldn't even run the ball.

That's unheard of for Detroit, you know, in the last previous

so many seasons.

Especially how we talked about their running backs, man.

Yes, you got, you got, you got a two-headed monster over there, and

they came out there and just shut it down.

I believe what, uh,

even with the um, what's his name?

The faster uh guy, not um

not Montgomery, uh, Gibbs, yeah, Gibbs.

Like, I think Gibbs caught like 10 passes for 60 something, 40-something yards or something.

Like, that's unheard of.

That man had

31 yards on 10 catches.

31, I lied.

He had 31 yards.

31 yards on 10 catches.

Yeah, like that's, that's just unheard of.

I think, you know, Green Bay came out there ready to get a job done

and they got it done.

It was.

I think you made a good point, too, about the coordinators changing.

My boy Aaron Glenn,

the head coach of the Jets, he he was my db coach in cleveland when i first got there one of the best db coaches i ever heard was really on me about technique tackling you know what i'm saying being in the right position very very coached me very very hard and that's what i needed and that's what i like and that's what made me kept me accountable for everything because he played in the league too aaron glenn had 41 picks while he played in the league i have nothing but respect for a man that played and is literally just giving me genuine gems, wants me to be good.

So that coordinator switching and not getting that from AG, that energy that juice it could be different for detroit you know i'm saying they it's another man trying to give you the same cause as ag but just don't know what's going on you got to have that feel that that feel for the game right you stay in chess you setting them up for oh no we're gonna do this do this do this and then we're gonna run it with this little blitz you know i'm saying so just knowing you trying to put the offensive coordinator in a different position you never know what this de coordinator is doing hopefully you call it you teaching the same defense but you don't have the same play calling vibe yeah yeah for sure you got you got to have a feel for that game.

And then also, it's not just the feel for it.

You got to have a feel for it, depending on the players you're going against.

What is that offensive's strengths?

What is their weaknesses?

What is the likelihood of, you know, so on and so forth.

But, you know, after seeing this, do you think the, you, you think the pay, the, whoo,

Packers, Tiefs again, Teeth again?

You know what I'm saying?

You think the Packers are the, anything where I'm pressing against my mouth, dude?

I pop off on the pop pop.

Do you think the Packers are the favorite in the NFC North?

I do.

I do.

Especially,

they didn't, they never, they haven't taken anything away.

Jordan Love is starting to play better ball.

And Micah Parsons, they're on the defensive side.

And yeah, they look ready, man.

So, I mean, especially after beating the Lions like this, I don't know if it was better Packers, bad Lions, but I'm going to go with better Packers because I don't think Jordan Love is.

getting any worse.

And Micah Parsons on the team coming through, bringing the juice and energy and speaking so highly about dudes.

I'm switching my whole vibe up about dudes being the facilities now too because the more i think about it you have a football season one year you got to be there every day that's your vibe mondays monday good mondays tuesday we're going to get the preparation to get a jump on the next week so i i mean i love everybody being in there so i think you know what i didn't like

in season is the off season and guys would go on vacation and devote do whatever like actually away from anything not doing i didn't i didn't i didn't like that like that's time that you could be using to try and get better.

That's, that's just the way I felt about it.

You know, once the season started, I'm a person that I wasn't going anywhere until it was done.

And, you know, that's what it was.

If you had

every day, what would you do, Debo?

Would you get, you, you don't, you don't get out?

So it depends.

It depends.

As soon as the offseason was out, if everything was good and we did well, I'm going straight to training.

If everything,

my body is a little weak, then

I'll take maybe a few weeks off, maybe three, four, six weeks off, whatever it may be.

And then I'll get to training.

If we did terrible, I'm leaving as soon as the season over with, and

I'm going to train.

I'm getting on the first flight smoking that evening.

You know what I'm saying?

Like,

I'm going to my trainer, and we're hitting the ground running.

So I was a person that found out quickly that it's easier to stay in shape if you never get out of shape.

Yeah.

Especially as you get older.

You know, when you're younger, you can go in there and say, okay, yeah, I can take a couple weeks or, you know, and come back.

And the older you get, the less time you can take off, the more things you got to do to recover

so that you're able to go out there and perform.

I'm wishing.

Yeah.

I don't think it's no real, for real, I want to think it was a.

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I think there's different, yeah, it's like off-season training sessions, you know what I'm saying?

But like, there's no point that you're not doing anything.

You should always be working on something, getting your body right, still lifting, still doing certain things.

But there's different joints so that not right after the season, I'm right back to cleats.

No.

Point is Joe saying, get your ass in there on Tuesday and get some work done.

Yes, something.

Make yourself better.

You know what what i'm saying yeah yeah like we we can't have what we had last week on or or on uh sunday or or monday whatever it may be we got to get in here and and get better so detroit like they need to get better on the offensive side like are you concerned with detroit's offensive performance do you think it is it is caused to uh

start

maybe doing some furniture moving no it's super early in the season they still got them guys man i know that they're going to go in there.

It's just depending on the coaching.

They got to go give hard, real talk.

When these meeting rooms come and they're starting to watch who's missing their blocks,

why is it looking like this?

Because the talent isn't gone.

We still have the same roster.

We still got these same players.

So we got to make sure, like, this.

the hard-earned facts, who's not balling?

Why are you not balling?

This isn't up to, this isn't up to par.

So they got to really get into some meeting rooms and figure it out.

Because I don't think that the players hasn't changed as much.

They still have the same running back tandem back there, a lot of the same linemen.

So I think it's just being able to look in the mirror and figure out this ain't going to work for us.

So they just got, they got to get better, but they got to get better fast.

Yeah, yeah.

Speaking of

poor performances on offense, the Coates beat the Dolphins 33 to 8.

Two are completed, 14 to 23 passes for 114 and a touchdown.

But he threw two interceptions, lost a fumble, lost a fumble for a second turnover, multiple turnover game in the past three starts.

was this performance was this a bad performance or just a sign of tour what do you think

man i

did bad performance for sure i mean when you when you throw two picks and lose a fumble that's not that's not a good that's not a good game but at the same time i'm not going to put it all on tour because at the same time the colts did not not score So the Dolphins defense did terrible out there and insistent.

Tour did not play well in any shape of the imagination, but their whole team dropped the ball in this game.

Dolphins defense looked terrible.

Tua looked terrible.

Tyreek was visibly pissed on the sideline, obviously, because, I mean, this isn't what he wants to do out there.

So, I mean, they just need to do a whole little reevaluation of what they got going on.

So, you think they should go ahead and break up Tua and Tyreek?

Oh, for sure.

Yeah, that's been so.

Been done, been done.

Tyreek is after he told them that he didn't want to be out there and Tua came back, like, man, you need to be doing your thing.

And instantly, first game, as soon as things go bad, and Tua has one of these games, you think Tyreek is not, you think Tyreek's going to be, they're going to get a better friendship once they start playing bad and he's already pissed?

Listen, when it goes bad, you got to pull in.

You got to get tighter.

You got to pull closer.

You know what I'm saying?

That's like, that's like

you don't pull away from, you don't pull away from God.

You pull closer.

You get into your word more.

What are you talking about?

You got to pull closer.

This is not.

This is not the word.

This is the word.

This is not the word.

This is Tyreek Atour.

And

I'm not buying.

You also got to look at the fact that the Coach, bro, they scored on every possession.

Like,

dude was dropping dimes over there.

Like, that's the first time, what, in, I don't know how long it is that you had a team score on every possession.

Like, they went out there and they did something that hadn't been done in a long, long time.

Like, first

1977.

Yeah.

Okay.

And then what?

Jones, dude, he does this.

His first time back with his first time making his debut

with the Giants.

He went out there and did exactly what he did here.

Like the only other time it was done or the last time it was done before this.

was him doing it with the with the giants so

danny dimes Yes, Danny Dimes.

That's what they're calling him.

Danny Dimes.

I'm trying to figure out who Danny Dimes was.

And then I go and look and I'm like, it's him.

Oh, okay.

What he's doing now,

you can change the name to Dimes.

That's what I'm saying.

He's actually

balling.

My man, Danny Dimes.

It's no problem with that.

They whooped, bro.

He had, that's what I'm saying.

The Ferns scored on every single possession.

Yes.

They did not not score.

So Danny Dimes, man, deserves all the love.

If I was the dolphins i would be pissed too because you got scored on every time and you only score eight points so it is not a good day in miami not a good day yeah speaking of his old team the giants the commanders beat the giants 21 to 6

so uh new york offense did not look competitive with russ wilson running it Russ was pressured on 16 of 45 drop backs, 36%, and handled the pressure poorly.

He was 2 of 12 for 26 yards and was sat twice when pressured new york managed just 234 yards of total offense brother they averaged 3.2 yards of rush and stumbled twice in the red zone

you think they should give uh dart opportunity give him a look i said it earlier we're gonna give that that was that was bad so i said we was gonna give that's the warning shot that's the warning shot we said we was gonna give him three games and i love russ that's my good man but it wasn't looking too good.

Uh, Dabo, I know he's not trying to pull a plug already, he wants to give him a couple of more, couple of more chances.

But I think if it looks like this again, week two, I don't see why not.

Uh, you know, you kind of know what you got, but you don't want to throw your man out there and then Dart be out there getting hemmed up.

You don't want to just throw him out there and make sure your other talent is absolutely performing.

So, if neighbors, I think we got to get him going, just start throwing him the ball.

So, I think Russell can get his relationship with neighbors going, get some points on the board.

It may not get him kicked out, but if he looks like this again, week three, Dart is probably going to be out there.

If you got your quarterback getting pressured, you know,

I don't know if I want to just throw him out there and put him in the same situation, you know, unless he has a higher understanding and IQ of where to go with the ball and he can get it out faster.

That's something that, yeah, you can look at and do.

But putting him in there with a learning curve of not having a run game or

an offensive line that's going to be able to protect him consistently.

I don't know if that's the thing to do either.

Yeah, they might just be throwing him out the dry if they do that thing.

And

I don't, I mean, they kind of did that with your guy, right?

That's over at the Coats right now, right?

Yeah, but

that's what I'm saying.

Is it the talent around, whoever is the quarterback, or is it the quarterback?

Because we got Danny Dimes looking like amazing over there.

And then we got Russell Wilson coming to the spot.

I'm like, so you never really know.

People didn't think, that definitely didn't think this highly of Daniel Dimes when he was in New York.

Yeah, I'm thinking he got to be able to do better than 2 or 12, you know, with pressure.

I mean, that's what,

seven, six percent completion, something like that.

It can't, it got like, he got to do better, but at the same time, like, you don't, you don't want to, you don't want to put him out there if you don't have to.

Um, at some point, if it keeps going like this, they're going to have to because you didn't draft him just to sitting there.

Yeah,

I would hope Russell Wilson just, I would hope that they can block it up for him.

Like you said, too.

Had a lot of pressure coming.

So, but then you got to be able to know where to go with the ball quick.

And that's pretty what he's normally pretty good at, making quick decisions.

So, if you got the pressure coming, hot routes, you know what I'm saying?

Like you said, now, balls, being able to just get it out of your hands for sure.

You got to be able to get that thing out out of your hands.

But like I said, you got Aaron over there.

Again, the protection is not great, but Aaron has a great understanding of where the ball needs to go.

He has a great understanding of reading the defense.

Alternative, you know, check down, run game because we aren't running the ball effectively, things like that.

A good quarterback can

effectively, you know, equal out

a lot of bad things or things that aren't up to par.

Yeah.

So the bucks oh the bucks beat the falcons 23 to 20 in dramatic fashion um

that's my guy uh what's his name um

that's baker mayfield right

yeah yeah

yeah yeah yeah always always rooting for baker man always

yeah he threw uh he threw he threw a pass in there that was like on a rope dude like i was like i was surprised i ain't gonna lie like

i mean not really surprised.

I was impressed, I should say.

I should say impressed.

Yeah.

I would have, man, Baker was never, Baker always was just a solid, solid, competent quarterback.

I wish back in the day, if the Brown, they had Baker.

We could have kept him signing for a nice little deal, would have kind of kept the quarterback position there good, but that's neither here nor there.

That's neither here nor there.

Yeah, Baker completed 17 to 32 passes, dude, for one 167.

Three touchdowns, dude.

Yeah, he slang that thing a little bit.

The rookie caught two touchdown passes, including a go-ahead 25-yard

with 59 seconds left remaining.

That's wild.

That man Berkey has the clutch gene, bro.

Solid, solid, solid quarterback.

He's been doing it now in Tampa for a minute.

Him, Mike Evans, just always root for Baker, man.

He's always just been solid, just hard worker, you know what I'm saying, and getting it done.

We go over here to the Broncos.

The Broncos spoiled Cam Wars debut, man.

20 to 12.

Went over the Titans.

I feel.

Number one draft choice, right?

That's Cam Warren.

Yes, yes, that's Cam Warren.

Number one pick, man.

And I saw that.

He did not do bad.

A lot, like a couple of his receivers dropped a lot of passes on him.

He was putting it in a great

spots.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, I think Calvin Ridley dropped a cup, dropped one.

And I saw like three passes in the fourth quarter dropped by his receiver.

So So he's a rookie quarterback out there trying to get it done.

I think that there's certain situations where they could have helped him out and made it not like it made it, made it closer, made the drive.

He could have had a game-winning drive if they would have caught some of those balls.

So he didn't look bad.

I think he's on his way.

And I just need them to same thing.

With these young quarterbacks, keep them upright, keep them protected.

Don't let this break his confidence because, you know, you're out there on there just expecting yourself to do so well, but it's going to be a learning curve.

You're going to have a learning curve.

You're not just going to come in here and be instantly getting everything off the rip.

I just want him to just stay, stay focused, stay motivated, and know, you know what I'm saying?

Hopefully, a teammate are going to start catching some of these passes.

But you looked, you looked solid, my brother.

Yeah.

So the Rams beat the Texans 14 and 9.

Matthew Stafford passed for 245 in a touchdown while becoming the 10th quarterback in NFL history with 60,000 yards in the air.

Doesn't Stafford have the back issue going on?

I think he does.

I think he does a little strain.

A little strain.

Well, you know, like I said, too, he's been in the league long time, OG vet, taking care of his body.

You know, as long as they could like protect it on the line, taking care of his body, he's going to be able to get it out of there.

He's been spinning it for a long time.

And it's just his accuracy, 21, 29, not too many incompletions.

Love Matthew Stafford.

For sure, for sure.

We're going to go on over here to the 49ers, Seahawks, third string tight end.

Late touchdown gives the 49ers the 17-13 win over Seattle.

Wow, well, well,

oh, kiddos got hurt in that game, buddy.

Yeah, he went out.

Uh, what quarter did Kiddos go out?

Was it second or third quarter he went out?

Um,

I think it was

so.

Uh,

what's his name?

The quarterback.

I'm horrible with names, dude.

Little dude, uh, my man, Purdy, Purdy, yeah, yeah,

Yeah.

Yeah.

I didn't think

he did as well as, well, he didn't do as well as he was doing, you know, previously with, you know, all the weapons that he had.

So

I think they're going to have some,

well, I won't, I wouldn't say trouble, but they're going to have some difficulty in getting

through their schedule, maybe.

How's it running back?

How's McCaffrey?

McCaffrey is back.

He's healthy.

And he's back.

He's healthy.

He played.

Yeah, he played.

He played the game.

Everything.

I mean, I think McCaffrey's going to stop Perkins.

I don't think it was that effective.

I don't know how many carries they actually ended up giving him, but.

you know, that's neither here nor there.

The Cardinals beat the Saints 20 to 13.

Colin Murray kind of did his thing.

He passed 163.

He hit Marvin Harrison Jr.

five times with 71 yards in the touchdown.

Murray also rushed for 38 yards.

So

I like Marvin Harrison Jr.

getting back into the zone.

I see he gained a lot of weight this offseason two, just getting bigger and stronger, trying to be ready to take on some contact.

I think that should be solid.

Colonel, Colin Murray, he getting in trouble.

Throw the thing up to Marvin Harrison Jr.

I think that'd be his success plan.

Yeah, I mean, it's

better than uh better than not having.

Oh man, what about my man Travis Hunter?

What Travis do, baby.

I seen, I seen a couple

plays of it.

I was watching, uh, I was watching red zone going back and forth.

I was in overload on it.

Yeah, I'm trying to figure out, though, with him playing Jags beat him.

Jax beat the Panthers

26 to 10.

Yeah, yeah, Travis Hunter played 39 snaps, caught six passes for 33 yards.

He played just six snaps on defense, though.

Yeah.

I didn't get that.

If you haven't played 44 snaps, I mean, maybe it's just the first game of the season, but I mean, he got to play.

He has to, hopefully, I think they might just be warming him up to it, but he got to play more snaps.

You got to be on the first one.

Well, it's the first game of the season.

Like I said, you got to give him, you got to give him a chance.

And that's something else.

You know, you got some guys going out with injuries and all that.

You got guys that's, you know, they haven't really played snaps like that.

And now you're telling them to go out here and give me, you know, 50, 60 plays at 100 miles an hour, you're losing, you know, you're losing water.

You got, you're more at, you know, risk for muscle strains and all that other stuff.

That's that's one of the things why you see a lot of these guys, you know, going out early with these soft tissue injuries.

You know, it's a different thing of impact.

You can't, you can't stop that.

And, but the soft tissue injuries,

that could be slowed up by just being, you know, in better shape, practicing the way that you're you're going to play and making sure you take,

yeah, you're right, making sure you take care of your body.

You know, it's very, very few people that go game speed now in practice, especially with how they got the rules set.

But the Raiders beat the Patriots 20 to 13.

Geno Smith passed with 362 and a touchdown in his debut, dude.

He did his thing, man.

Brock Bowers had five catches for 103 before leaving the game with a knee injury, though.

Yeah, Myers added eight catches for 97.

Mayors.

Shout out Geno Smith, man.

He's been doing it for a minute.

He gonna make sure.

Bombing.

Who's the receiver number one for the Vegas Raiders?

Because he was going up top, pork chop, the whole game.

I know you get long with...

bad with names sometimes, but my boy had Vegas Raiders receiver.

I saw that.

That might be the dude I'm talking about.

Who's number one?

What's number one's name?

Let me check it out.

Trey Tucker.

That's it.

That's not there.

There it is.

There it is.

I like him a lot.

He was balling.

Perfect.

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