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Take a listen to what he had to say, Ocho.

Yeah, he's one right now one position on offense and one position on defense.

So

now that doesn't really fully change.

It's just more the next guy having to go and adjust to go play some Z, which is what happened in the game.

So no, I don't think it changes much.

And that's not going to change.

So after the season where he'll be, he'll spread his wings a little bit on offensive, offensive.

Yeah, I don't think it's fair right now to say, hey, dude, go learn Z and X and 12 and this and that.

It's like, man, we got to make sure he can really go and execute what we're asking him to do first and foremost, which is play F and play corner.

So I think as we go and as he goes, I got to believe that it'll continue to do this.

So

that's why you see more Parker when Diamond goes down.

So more opportunities for Parker.

I know he was very transparent with us about the two drops.

You said he had great practice last week.

Expectations for his usage as well.

Yeah, I think I have not lost any confidence in Parker by any means.

You know, stuff happens.

It's not obviously something that we're excited about in the moment, but

he takes a lot of responsibility and accountability.

He works his tail off every single day.

Like I said, he literally had his best week of practice last week as a JAG since we've been here.

So

there's a lot of confidence uh really the message to him is dude like we got to just move forward man

i agree yeah

me i always thought ocho he would be better served playing defense and then have packages for him on offense

i mean but everybody everybody want the man to just hey we're gonna just throw him in there and let him play bro this ain't college I don't care what anybody says.

I don't care how many snaps he played and how great he was.

This is the best of the best.

There's a reason why they stopped doing that in the 60s.

There's a reason.

So to ask this man and say, I'm not concerned, Ocho, there have been a lot of guys that could play both ways, but can you play them at an elite level?

Because that's what it comes down to.

You see Troy Brown played offense and defense.

You saw Julian Ellerman play it

in spurts, but can you play it at the level?

Can you hold your own against Jamar Chase?

And then can you go beat Pat Sertan on a consistent basis?

Can you beat Stingley on a consistent basis?

Can you beat Sauce Gardner on a consistent basis?

Okay, can you D up Jeddah?

Can you D up neighbors, Brian Thomas Jr., Chase?

Can you do that?

So, this notion about, oh, he can do that, he can do that.

I want to see him do it at an elite level on both sides of the ball.

And the coach is saying, there'll be a time for that.

Let the guy get used to the system.

He's not there yet.

Obviously,

this is the best thing.

But everybody's talking about they misusing him.

They're not misusing him.

I think they're just bringing him along slowly, not just throwing them, not throwing them out into the fire, throwing him out there to the wolves, allowing him to get acclimated, learn everything so you don't have to think.

Because you play your best.

When it was at Colorado, he already knew what to do.

That's why he was playing his best.

I don't have to think.

I can just go play and react.

So once he gets to that point over there in Jacksonville, then they'll add a little bit more on his plate.

Okay, we go.

We know he got this.

Okay, he got F.

Okay, now we can teach him Z.

Add a little bit more on his plate.

Okay, boom.

Oh, he got Z.

Now we can add X.

Then defensively, okay, he's a little bit more.

He's a little comfortable now.

Boom.

Maybe we can put him on first and second downs instead of waiting until third.

It's just a little just bringing him along slow.

So I think it's kind of smart.

smart of them the way they're using him right now.

I think there'll be certain situations, certain circumstances, where they will need that advantage, that mismatch that he does create on both sides of the ball.

I think the thing is, Ocho, is that, look, you know, when you was a kid and you're like, give me someone, no, eat what's on your plate.

Let him eat what is on his plate.

Let him get this position.

Let him master that.

And then as he starts to master that, I don't care what anybody says.

Pro offenses are more complicated than college offenses.

Pro defenses are more complicated than college defenses.

That's just the way it is.

And the athletes are better.

Just better.

I don't care.

Look,

we believe the SEC and the Big Ten is as close to NFL as we get.

Guess what?

There are a lot of guys in the SEC and the Big Ten that don't make it in the NFL.

All those guys that come out there on Sunday, they made it.

And there are a lot of guys that

played in the conferences that didn't make it.

So you're talking about the best of the best.

And that's the thing.

Ocho, it's not enough for him to just say, I played both sides of the football.

People want to see he won the Heisman Trophy because he was elite on both sides of the ball.

If he is not elite on both sides of the ball, Ocho, what are we doing?

Let's be all the way real, chat.

What are we doing?

The thing about the SUV, Ocho, is what made the SUV so popular.

Ocho, I can hire my kids in it

and I can pull up to a, I can go, A, I can be in the carpool line or I can go to, I can go to a black tie dinner.

I can do both.

I can drive in the summertime.

A, I can be at Miami and drive my SUV, but guess what?

I can go to Minnesota and also do it.

So if I, if it, if it doesn't give me that kind of value, what are we doing, Ocho?

You're right.

But, but another thing too, also,

you took him so high, right?

You traded ocho you traded up to get it right so we're going into week four

now i understand it's a long season

but what you add on to that plate

we need to keep on we need to keep on adding and

see

that a little bit more week to week

i and i and i think that's what they're gonna do ocho i mean um I think he played, this was the first time that he played more defense than he played offense.

But I think he was still around 60 plays.

They just, we just haven't seen him get in the end zone.

We haven't seen him get any interceptions, which we routinely saw at Colorado.

Man, this is this the NFL.

Y'all would realize this is the best of the best.

This is the top 0, 0, 0, 0.1%.

That's what that is.

Bro,

I don't think people get it.

I don't.

I think the thing is that people just, people actually thought, Ocho, he was going to just walk in there and do what in the NFL, what he did at Colorado.

And then if you say, Ocho, like, man, Ocho said, I got 11 years of this thing, man.

That thing ain't that easy.

I got

14.

I said, man, it's not that easy.

Oh, y'all hating.

No, we're just telling you what it's going to take to play at that level.

They didn't even time didn't even play both ways.

And time was as talented as anybody that's ever stepped foot in the nfa greatest of all time

i mean

time they had a package time was a did what he did defensively and then he would come in with a package now he played a little bit more when my i think michael got hurt one year or the or the number two receiver got hurt and so he played more

same what same thing with champ Same thing with champ in Washington.

Yes.

Same way.

Yep.

But for me personally, I don't think they're misusing Trav.

I think they're building him up slowly and slowly and putting more and more on his plate.

And the more he can eat, the more he can digest.

And we'll just keep going like going like that until we build it out.

We don't need, hey, this thing we don't need to build this overnight.

We don't need to try to have him learn X, Y, X,

Z,

F.

We don't need him to do all that.

Hey, you got the slot.

Oh, you playing, oh,

you playing outside.

You playing inside.

You playing dime.

We don't need to do all that, OJo.

There'll be a a time that it'll be second nature but i'm i'm sure there's a lot going on in this place but it's ocho it's hard because to get good at something you do it all the time over and over it's repetition yeah

it's it's it's repetition and the funny

so he go from he go from a standing split to now he's in a back pedal and the funny thing he won't be the the Travis Hunter we're used to seeing that we saw in Colorado.

He won't be that into the NFL until he knows everything.

He's still thinking,

he's still thinking.

I know it's football at the end of the day, but he's still thinking.

It's your rookie year.

You're going into week four, you're still thinking.

So they're putting you in advantageous positions where you don't have to think.

You just got to play.

That's why your plate, that's why your plate is so small right now.

So all you have to do is just play and let your God-given ability and what you've learned so far take over.

Yes.

I mean,

give him a year or two.

Let's see where he's at halfway through the season.

Let's see where he's at at the end of the season.

Let's see where he's at in year two, year three.

And it's so funny.

But

in order for this to make sense, he's going to have to be lead on both levels because you took him so high.

You took him with the number two pick in the draft.

Number two pick in the draft is supposed to be franchise altering.

Yeah.

And they can't.

No matter what position, no matter what position it is,

he's supposed to be franchise altering.

You can't use him in that position yet.

Because

franchise altering is usually held for the quarterback position outside of elite skilled players.

Most of the time, it's the receiver, receiver, DB.

Yeah.

DBs come around every so often, but receiver, quarterback, or running back.

Franchise altering.

But his plate isn't full enough for him to be franchise altering right now.

Correct.

It's not.

It's hard.

I mean,

I don't envy him.

I understand that he wants to do things that nobody's ever done.

And it's been a long time since we got had a guy that this tally.

We saw Champ Bailey do it.

Miles Jack did it as a running back and a linebacker at UCLA.

But it ain't easy.

It ain't easy to be elite because with the number two pick, you're supposed to be elite.

And he wants to be elite on both sides of the football.

Now,

you asked Time.

Time says, look,

had I devoted what I devoted to being a wide receiver, like I devoted to DB, ain't no question in my mind.

I get a gold jacket as a wide receiver.

And I believe him.

I believe him.

Because

he was just so gifted.

God just gave that man so much ability.

But people, but see, a lot of times, Ocho, when God gives somebody ability, they make it seem like they don't work.

Time worked.

Time studied.

But see, you're like, man, God, no, no.

Yes, God blessed him.

But the greatest are when God blessed you and you're the hardest worker.

You get a Tom Brady, you get a Deion Sanders, you get a Kobe Bryant, you get a Michael Jordan, you get a LeBron James, you get a Griffey Jr.

That's what you get.

You get a Barry Bonds.

You get that.

That's what you get when you take a Tiger Woods.

Serena

Serena Williams.

that's what you get

when God kiss you with God-given ability and work ethic, you dangerous, boy.

You dangerous.

And the funny thing about it is, he already got the work ethic too.

Not only do he have the worth ethic, but he goddamn believed he can do it.

He believed he could do it.

That's part of it.

I was just going to say that.

That's part of it.

Once you believe you can do something, oh, shh.

Boy, it's up, Ben.

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Ocho, Taryn Arnold, and Pat Sotan got some words for you, Ocho.

Take a listen to what you got to say.

It's 2005, and we're covering Prime Ocho Cinco.

Ocho, the one with the quick feet, the one with the releases.

Open every Sunday.

What's your offensive philosophy going up against a guy like Ocho?

You know, it's 2005, so the game will look different.

Whatever he sent me to my locker, whether it had been Pepto Bizmo, a bottle of ketchup, or whatever he decided, them whole antics or whatever, I would have sent it right back to him.

I would have sent some glue just as far as me approaching him.

And you already know this, if you're going to play press and you're going to open the gate, you might as well just play off.

Facts.

My whole thing, when I get in front of Ocho, and with him being a smaller guy,

I'm going to play press.

I'm not gonna lie, he might think this disrespect, but I'm gonna play inside every you gotta beat me on a nine.

He ain't gonna outrun you.

You feel me?

You gotta beat me on the nine.

And I know he quicker than fast.

Them plays where I get them cover tools.

Put the hands.

He decides to catch some hitches and stuff.

Hey, I gotta make you pay when I attack you.

He approached the line.

He going up to the DB.

Say, I'm telling you what route I'm running.

Yeah.

You still ain't gonna stop it.

Yes.

I'll be damned.

Hey, what they say, you just tried it.

You telling me your route?

Oh, you think I'm a scrub?

That's equivalent to you lining up and saying, look, fam, safety leaning in the other direction.

It's just me and you, bro.

It's just me and you.

Whatever you want to run, bro.

Take outside releases.

It's me, you and the sidelines of Jesus, brother.

You pick your boys.

Hey, one thing, one thing about it, boy.

One thing about it.

When it comes to Jesus, he had 12 disciples.

You're going to need all 12 of them to stop me.

Boy, them boy, them young, them young whooper stabbers that lost their mind, boy.

Listen, I'm going to beat him.

I'm going to beat him in the talk game first before we even get to the field.

I'm going to beat him in the media before we even get to the field.

I I love Pat.

I love Taryn Arnold, but I done studied them boys and I ain't even playing.

And I can tell you how to beat him already.

Terry Arnold said, the first thing he said was, is I'm going to play inside.

The fact that you said you're going to give me a one-way go, a free release outside lets me know you done already.

For one, it ain't even about you catching up.

It's the fact that I can run full speed and run by you and stop on a dime that lets me know I'm going to beat you on every route.

I'm going to run a comeback.

I'm going to run a deal.

Everything.

I'm going to run a speed out of your ass.

Everything.

And P2.

And then you talk about you smaller.

Then you talk about

2005 was a different era.

You goddamn right, boy.

I played against the 2000 Steelers.

I played against the 2,000 Ravens.

You talk about you're going to make me feel it when you tackle me.

Feel what?

You understand where I play?

They don't play like that.

What era?

They don't play like that.

Come on, man.

They don't play like that.

They ain't physical like like that.

And P2, you sitting there talking too.

You can get this work in the offseason.

What you talking about?

Yeah.

Bad back.

See, like them guys get up to, like, I see guys like in the 90s, Ocho, when I first came into the league,

if you do this at the line of scrimmage, them jokes coming up right away.

They stabbing right away, huh?

They coming through your chin.

All that dancing, you better say that for the clue.

But listen, this is the funny thing about it, too.

I like like something that they said is, what's the point of playing press if you're going to open up?

But you dare to write.

You dead to write.

You sit there and think you're going to spread your legs or you're going to sit there and be square and stay there with me.

Boy, you done.

You cooked.

I ain't even no chef, but I'm going to cook you.

What you talking about?

You better open the gate.

If anything.

Hell no.

You can't open the gate.

You open it.

Oh, oh, if you open the door, flies come in.

But who you telling?

It's me.

It's me.

I'm saying,

they cannot.

If you open the door, flies come in your house.

When flies come in your house, bad things.

If you don't open the door, I'm going to pick your lock.

Hey, listen.

If you don't open it, if you don't open the door, I'm going to pick your lock.

So either way, you've done.

Hey, that's the thing.

Like I said,

it'd have been different, Ocho.

I think the thing is, had they been in this era, so maybe they'll be physical.

It's hard to say, I'll be physical if you didn't come up in a physical era.

You know what I'm saying, OJ?

Because

I believe it's easy to come up in a physical

era and translate this era as opposed to coming up in this era here and trying to go back to physicality.

No, absolutely not.

It's like a coach.

It's easier as a parent to be hard

and become lenient as opposed to be lenient and then trying to be tough.

Because all the teachers that let you did whatever you

talk and get up when you want to and go to the bathroom the moment they said Shannon sit down and be

I like them boys though I love the fact and I love the fact that they have a podcast especially defensive backs it's not too many times we have players of their caliber especially P2 Terry Arnold is coming along he's doing he's doing very well getting much better this year it's not not very many times we have players that like to voice their opinions on some of the some of the nuances of the game game so it's good to see active players willing to open up whether they're playing good or whether they're playing bad and talk about the game of football so i really enjoy stuff like that so terry on and p2 man i salute y'all boys i love you but listen if y'all want to get in in the offseason my feet still have a mind of their own even at 57.

Sean Payton defended Bo Knicks mechanics today with the promise that the big plays will come.

Payton said offense's biggest problem is that he hasn't found its identity and that has been affecting Knicks as well.

Knicks is 25th in the league in QBR at 41 and a half, 41.8.

Knicks narrowly missed multiple potential big plays in the loss

against the Chargers on Sunday, all overthrown, including a wide open Cortland Sutton in the fourth.

The Broncos also had seven possessions in which they totaled nine or fewer yards.

Four possessions in which they had one yard or fewer.

That ain't good.

Oh, yeah.

Peyton encouraged him to just keep firing.

He's going to hit plenty of those.

One of the things that the gift offs, his off-schedule throws, but you don't want to be careful of how much you tell him.

When you settle into certain plays, there's a rhythm to the mechanics.

But overall, I think the ball is coming out well.

Yeah, he'll be fine.

He'll be fine.

He'll find his groove.

He'll get into rhythm.

He'll find that flow of the offense.

Remember that I just told you?

Offenses don't get into a rhythm and flow until maybe week five or week six.

Defenses is really easier and they're ahead of the curve because all they're doing is reading reading and reacting.

So it's going to come.

I know that's your team.

I'm not even here to make no jokes about them, but Bo Nick's played very well.

No, you got to make those plays.

Hey, Bo Nick played very well last year.

So the people making fun of his mechanics.

Nothing to change.

He's just not into the rhythm and what you've seen from him last year.

It's going to come.

It's so early.

It's so early.

That's the thing is that what's so impressive about great players is that just because you did something one year, it doesn't automatically mean you're going to do it again the next year.

You got to go back and do it all over again.

That's the one thing I love most about professional sports.

You get an opportunity to update your resume on a weekly basis.

On basketball, sometimes it's on a nightly basis.

But you get to update your resume because what's on your resume ain't got nothing to do with what you're going to do today.

I got to go out there and prove it.

So I'm updating my resume every Sunday, every Monday.

Well, you know, I think I play one Thursday game Thanksgiving Day, but that's when you up, I got to update my resume.

I don't want to hear nothing about you went to the Pro Bowl.

I don't care nothing about you an all-pro.

Can you be a Pro Bowl player and an all-pro player today?

Exactly.

That's all I care about.

That is that you did last year.

That got nothing to do with me.

Because

I'm going to show you why I got voted in.

I got, I'm going to look, the fans voted, the coaches voted, my peers voted.

A lot of guys that voted didn't never play the game.

They voted me off.

I'm going to show you today.

You're going to leave this game.

Say, yeah,

man.

84.

Hey, sharp, sharp.

He's for real now.

He talked, but hey, he got.

I'm going to show you.

There'll be no questions in your mind who and what I am.

I promise you.

But all that,

I don't don't care nothing about what you did last year.

That's what you got to see.

Having played this game, having played professional sports, I have the utmost respect for guys that do this-ish year in and year out.

You got to respect Brady.

You got to respect LeBron because no matter what you think, if you say, oh, he flawed or he this, he's not Jordan.

Okay, for the sake of this conversation, let's just say he's not Jordan.

All I know, in year 22, he averaged 24, 88.

8.

He still voted.

He's still a top 10 player.

Nobody in the history of the game

has been a top 10 player for this long.

That much longevity.

Nobody has been an all-NBA selection this late in their career.

Go back and look at all the guys that played 20 or more seasons and see what they average as far as points, as far as rebounds, as far as assists.

Go back and look at the guys that played as long as Brady played and see what they did.

That's what you got to respect about those guys

because

they do it year in, year out, game in and game out.

And when you play, because sometimes I don't think people realize, I don't think people get the appreciation, they don't get the appreciation that they deserve.

But if you play this game, you understand it.

You understand it.

Yes.

Absolutely.

But like I said, last year, look,

we don't want to say, because we keep saying, we just automatically assumed, Ocho, that CJ Stroud was going, hey,

he has yet to look like he did your rookie year.

Yeah.

Yeah.

People get tape on you.

Mm-hmm.

And think about it.

And the longer you play, Ocho, guess what?

The more tape they get.

The more intel, the more info.

They they like Uncle Sam.

Uncle Sam know you've been dodging your taxes.

They let you go until you can't play.

We see his account.

Yeah, we got him upside down.

Now let's go on and get in there.

That's how the league is.

They get more and more intel.

More and more intel.

That's all they're doing is gathering intel.

Well, guess what?

I'm gathering intel too.

Most definitely.

I think, I think, ooh,

he's struggling.

He's struggling.

He's struggling.

I mean, Cam Ward is

a little up and down.

He's showing little flashes.

Cam teammates just need to catch the ball.

That too.

CJ Strive,

they're going to find it.

They got to find it.

But he ain't looked the same last year.

Collectively as a team, they didn't.

And so this year is

picking up right where they left off.

Picking up where they left off from last year.

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Earlier this week, Michael Parsons said it would be painful to sack Dak.

I hope it's not painful for me, and I hope he doesn't get me.

Get to me for one.

Just excited to go out there and have that matchup, but he's got five guys in front of him, plus a tight end and running backs that he's got to get through.

Then I'll

worry about if he can get to me.

Yeah.

Ocho, have you ever faced your teammate?

Have you ever faced anybody that you, you know, a former teammate?

Um,

because you say you didn't play when you played with the New England.

You said you didn't play against it, man.

I didn't.

So I didn't, I didn't really get an opportunity to face against anybody that was a teammate of mine.

Not that I can recall right off the top of my head, especially not someone that I was going to have to deal with at the defensive back position.

I don't think I did.

I did.

Who you had to face?

Kansas City.

Glenn Cadrez was our middle linebacker on one of our Super Bowl teams.

I told him, I said, bro, if I outplay you, it's over.

I told the defense coordinator, Greg Robinson, rest your soul.

I said, Greg, this defense is unsound.

I said, I promise you, I have 200 yards on you.

And I get 200 on you.

How many?

214.

What you had?

214.

I just saw the defense.

I just saw it.

It's unsound.

Right.

But hey, here.

And I'm like, you can't, you can't.

I said, first of all, you can't guard me, bro.

I mean, look, I get practice.

Because y'all, look, Ocho, you know what they do.

They go look at the script.

They see where the ball is going.

And they pretend.

Yes.

And they pretend like they know they, oh, they deed it up, but they already know they cheat.

So they know I'm going to run a basic cross.

So I'm going to run an out.

I'm going to seven.

And so they don't go for none of the fakes.

They're just, oh.

Okay.

Now, if we get into a game, you're not going to know.

You're not going to be able to look at the screen.

Read and react.

And so the moves that you don't buy for in practice, I guarantee you, you're going to buy the game.

Absolutely.

I told him.

It just so happens he's the defensive coordinator for the Kansas City Chiefs, and Cadrez was the middle linebacker.

You gave him that work, huh?

I had 181 181 in the second half.

Bro, I see, bro.

Hey, that's funny.

Ocho, you know, when a defense is unsound, and you know when a player really can't do anything against you.

Now, I give a prime example.

Now, he, I mean, our live off defensive lineman, he got two and a half sacks against uh Bisselli

when Bisselli was at his apex.

Yes, Jacksonville,

yes, Well, he was the real deal.

Two and a half.

But I'm like, bro, you

not gonna be, you not finna D me.

I know.

I quit.

I take a.

You know, a wrestler, when they're gonna retire, they take the shoes off and sell them in the middle of the ring.

I said, man, if you D me up, I'm gonna take my shoulder pads off, my helmet shoes, and set them in the middle of the field.

I'm done.

Bet please.

I might as well be done.

I can't get no job.

Who's gonna hire me?

He D me up.

Yeah, that's funny.

That's funny.

Oh.

But I was like, look, but I love going against guys because practice was really hard for me.

When guys didn't study the script and they get, I needed feedback, Ocho.

Hey,

they would tell me, Sharp, you lean into that one.

That's kind of how I got the jumper that you gave me a tail.

You got on your toes.

I know when you get ready to break, you start getting on them toes.

So they would give me feedback.

man

and then i and then when i got into the game

you you think just by watching me all week on work that you're gonna be able to stop me in the game that don't work that don't work boy please that do not work

it's a different ballgame no it doesn't not not not for me but look i i just think the thing is that you work you look at it you look okay and the thing was hard for me ocho because the way they covered another tight end they weren't gonna cover me me like that because I had a different set of skills.

Most tight ends were clumbersome and, you know, you caught 25 passes.

You had an outstanding, yeah.

They were very robotic.

They played bumper cars.

Oh, no.

Ah, nah, I ain't trying to let you judge me.

I'm undersized.

I already know I'm an undersized tight end.

I'm not finna let bump into you so you can grab me.

No, let those big tight ends, those 250, 260 guys play bumper cars.

Nah, bro.

I'm OLAN.

I ain't trying to, hey,

I'm moving.

I got why.

Hey, I was a former wide receiver, so I understand my strength.

Now, if it's a corner, yeah, I want you, I'm gonna get physical.

I want you to get up there.

Oh, bro, you really

do it.

Nothing today.

Hey, they're up there wiggling it, but nothing today.

Sharp, oh, you know how to get this staff, oh,

yeah, doing all that side and side.

A little side and side, getting ready.

That's what we're doing.

Man, I wish you could have gone against some of your former teammates.

That would have been fun, boy.

That would have been fun.

That would have really been fun.

Yeah, bad.

Hey, to be back there, beat it.

Because ain't nothing like.

But you know the thing was, Ocho?

Like, when I played the Broncos in the playoff game, I really didn't do no talking.

No?

Nope.

Yeah, I can't.

I was focused.

I wanted to show the, and I just remember, Ocho, I caught that tip.

Trent threw a pass in the flat.

And I already knew Jamal,

big ma man, his hands,

his hand was suspect.

I already knew that.

And it was windy.

So the ball, like, first of all, it could be a nice, no breeze, 75 degrees.

Jamal was going to struggle catching the football.

I knew that.

So you know what, Ocho?

I started making my way that just, I said, you know what?

Something told me to just make my way that way.

Trent throw him the ball.

The ball go up in the air.

You right there for it.

I catch it.

It's right there in front of the Broncos bench.

I turn the corner.

Gone.

Gone.

That was really the play that

we got.

We up seven.

I think we up at that point.

I think we up 14.

Oh, yeah, that was the dagger, huh?

Miss over.

not not not not against that defense not unless trip threw a pick or somebody you know we fumbled the ball they got a scoop and score but as far as driving the football you ain't you listen you ain't stringing enough you ain't stringing together enough drives for that to happen no

no no no no you're not finna go 80 70 80 yards against that defense that wasn't gonna happen we knew that once we got that lead i was like oh yeah

hey just don't turn it over they ain't get they they're not they're not getting anything against against that, but

What about when your teammates left Cincinnati and went to another team?

Did you not you never play any of your former teammates?

I'm trying to think the only the only person that might have played might have been Jonathan Joseph when he was in Houston I feel

I'm not sure

Didn't J-Joe go to Colorado didn't he from ain't he from CU no, I think J-Joe from South Carolina, right?

Oh, you're right.

That is where he went.

He went to the GameCube.

Yeah.

You're right.

You're absolutely right, Ojo.

You're absolutely right.

I can't remember.

I remember Delta O'Neal left.

I'm trying to think that Delta.

Delta was with me.

Delta was with me and Denver.

He came from Denver to Cincinnati then.

Never mind.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's the only thing.

That's the only person I can remember.

Former NFL MVP and Seahawks legend Sean Alexander is expecting his...

14th child with his wife, Valerie.

Alexander said, we're just starting to tell people, but number 14 is in the belly.

We have 10 girls, three boys.

My oldest son, the fourth overall, is a Southmore high school.

My oldest son, the fourth overall, is a Southmore high school.

Ocho.

What?

As a matter of fact, I saw Sean about two years ago.

As a matter of fact, a year and a half ago.

Yeah, two years ago, 23.

I saw him in April of 23.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Let me take that back.

I saw him in April of 24.

And at that time,

I said, Man, you know, I said, How you doing, man?

He said, Man, I'm congratulations.

I'm happy for you.

I'm proud.

He said, Man, I'll be a.

He said, Man, yeah,

he said, Man, hey, you funny.

He said, You, man, you an old show, man.

Tell Ocho.

I said, What's up?

He said, but I love you.

I love Club Shea Shay.

I love Nightcap.

I said, Man, how the family do?

How you, you got like four or five?

He said, Sharp,

I got 13.

I said, You bull driving.

He said, Nah, sharp.

He said, I got 13.

I said, and you, hey, I said, the same woman.

He said, the same woman.

We've been together, I think,

college.

Right.

Because, you know, SA, that's why I was surprised when B.

Robb said, you know, named his running back, and he didn't put Sean Alexander in that list.

I don't know if anybody remembered Alexander the Great, but that's a different story.

I was like,

13?

I say, I said, Sean, for real.

I said, oh, I had this.

Hey, I stood there and talked to him for a minute.

I say, Sean, 13.

He said, I got 13, Sean.

I say, Lord, have mercy.

I say,

it don't seem like you do much other than

13?

I mean, if it was 1950s and 60s,

people had a big bunch of kids because that was free labor.

They put them kids' ass to work.

My grandfather had nine.

And, you know, the oldest, my mom was the oldest girls.

So what she did, my grandmother would go to the fields, would go help my grandfather do what he needed to do.

And as the boys got older, they would join it.

So that's what the girls, the girls, you know, she cooked.

And what my grandmother went to, you know, hey, it wasn't like it was nine or six weeks.

My grandma dropped that baby.

A week later, a couple of days later, she in the field with

my granddad with Papa.

So, and I was like, I was in, I was, I was like,

I still, I just couldn't, I couldn't believe it.

13, so about to be 14, Lord's willing.

14, Ocho.

Yeah, I mean, it depended.

You know, also when you hear stuff like that, it depends on who you ask, and

it depends on what they like.

Some people love big families.

Some people like that.

For one, listen,

I'm at eight.

I'm at eight, but all mine are grown except two.

oh cho you at eight you need six more

let that sink in what you said think about what you said you said oh i'm at eight

you need five more with another one on the way

yeah you you have them all you're done

whoo i'm just i'm just asking

plumbing out of work i got you i got you pipes close i'm thinking i'm i'm thinking i'm i'm thinking well go ahead you go right ahead I'm just saying.

Do you know how many years that's being pregnant?

So let's just say for the sake, nine months times 14.

How many years is that?

I'm not good at math.

She got 14.

That's got to be at least 12, 13 years of being pregnant.

That's crazy, boy.

That's crazy.

I wonder how the oldest,

because the fourth oldest is a boy, and he's a sideboard in high school.

So they got three older than him.

So that means

all of them ain't in college.

So that means one of the girls, at least one of the girls, probably a junior or senior.

Now he might have two in college.

But, you know, they say you got them doorstep side, Ocho.

I think

if I was to have kids

again,

I would want twins and they'd be done.

No, I'm good.

You sure?

I am for sure.

All right.

You never know.

You never know.

But it's near.

Why you always try to wish something on me?

I'm not trying to wish.

I'm just saying, you never know.

Something like that could

change your life or change your vision and some of the things like i'm just being honest i love kids you know you know i am you know i am and i ain't do things i love other people kids well i love kids that's mine

i love i love mine you know and and and i i think maybe maybe another two three years i have twins i just want to make sure my affairs are in order I need to talk to the rest of my tribe and make sure the tribe is okay with it.

And then if the tribe is okay with it, about boom, y'all mad.

Ocho, can you imagine what that grocery bill is?

And it ain't that bad.

8 to 14 ain't really no different.

What you mean it ain't that different?

Ocho, they don't live with you.

Imagine if every last kid with you.

Can you imagine what your grocery bill would be?

Yeah, when they all here at the same time during the summer, yeah.

I know.

Yes.

So imagine here at the same time every day.

You know how much money you spend when they're there just for a a couple of days or a week at a time.

So imagine $365.

Yeah, that ain't bad.

It ain't nothing.

It is something.

I mean,

but that's a rent payment a week.

Well, you got that Fetty.

You know that ain't nothing for you.

Look, I know how much my kids.

I can just imagine 14.

Well,

let's just say for the sake of argument, 12.

12 kids?

Ben,

she going to they going to Costco every three days.

Every three days.

They going through water?

Yes.

Boy, they're going through water, juice, chips.

What you, boy, you got to cook.

Oh, Joe.

You know what, even make it easier, though, with all my kids here?

Is the older ones don't eat nothing here and they take the little ones to go, they take the little ones with them to go eat.

I don't think Sean doing that.

I don't think Sean.

I don't think they're eating out.

And then under that, the next is 20, 24.

And then under that, the next is 22.

So all my, they grown, grown.

But I said, imagine if all eight live with you every day.

He got at least 12 living with him every day.

Yeah.

And you talk about he don't go to college.

The funny thing about it,

even if I wanted them to live with me, man, man, daddy please you don't got no food in here

water bill all they're doing is take a shower hey boy if you see my refrigerator right now you'll laugh you'll laugh

they go through a like it might take me a a a a a a a

they going through a two with two pace a day

Just think about if they brush their teeth if if 16 people brush their teeth twice a day

Let alone let somebody be obsessive with OCD.

When I think about it, right?

And I'm thinking about it right now.

When I have all the kids, I have the kids during the summer, when obviously when the summer break, when everybody obviously home from college and I have everybody at the same time, and I'm trying to think of what the numbers would be.

But the fact that they always leave me by myself during the summer and go eat with each other out.

I don't know what it's like and how much a bill would be.

That's funny.

So I'm trying to wrap my my head around wonder what it would really be how much because once once i got everybody all together we going out of town we clean it

yeah and so you know what that costs oh hey um

exactly so imagine taking 14 on vacation hey you take it you take it eight

imagine taking 14 plus two that's 16.

you gotta you gotta think if you think about the past right so that's that's yeah it's it's for it's 12.

so hey man they gotta drive they gotta drive a school bus ain't no way they're trying

hey

they gotta drive they gotta drive a school bus

like the uh the partridge family used to drive around

hey y'all remember partridge family with with the had the racks on top ain't no way

do you know what a plan even if you got coach tickets can you imagine taking 16 people on a flight?

I know, because I do it every offseason.

I do it every offseason when we done every summer.

I know what it is.

Jamaica, Mexico.

But we done been everywhere.

And they probably not.

And Sean, Sean, about your age.

Sean came in in 2001

because he's in the draft with Jamal.

So y'all about to say 46, 47.

Damn.

So 24.

Ooh.

Her life.

I mean, half her life.

She's been pregnant

basically basically so from her from her 20s from her early 20s to 40 she don't know she probably don't know what it's like to go two years without being pregnant

oh man that's for me but hopefully she uh hopefully uh she delivers healthy baby number 14.

um

knowing him he's he's very religious uh he all time all time all time good dude as a matter of fact i just hit i just hit him a uh i i sent him a text early today

he's like man and i told him i said man i want you to come on he said uh you know what he said i would love to he said uh hit me uh

uh hit me uh at halftime uh he said i'll text you at the half uh you know that's my hawks or player tonight if i shut it down we could do it next week bet i said i texted him i know your ass sleep

he read it he didn't respond

yeah so i hopefully we get him on uh we get him on next week.

Man.

I like it.

I like it, Doug.

That's a lot of kids, man.

That's a lot of kids.

He'd have been perfect back in the 40s, 50s, and 60s when people had big fans.

My first cousin, his granddad, on his mom's side, had 26.

God damn.

From two women.

He had 20 from one, had six from another.

26?

46.

Hey, it was different back then, though.

It was yeah, I mean the oldest back there was like from like 60

like 60, and then the youngest was like two years old.

Damn,

I owe him some wild time.

He was still having, he was still, I think, I think he was probably still having kids like in his 80s.

Oh, young fellow, boy.

Yeah,

he had 26, 20 from one,

20 from Miss Utah, and six from another lady.

Listen,

I stopped at eight for a reason.

If anything, maybe two, three years, I, you know,

if everything continues to go well the way it is, you know,

in life and with work.

I do twins and call it a day.

I ain't doing it.

No.

My grandfather said, boy, the worst thing to be is child poor.

They ain't like when you was growing up, OJo.

Kids cost now.

Private school.

Hold on, man.

I got enough to know what it costs.

It ain't.

It's what you choose to buy.

I don't care how much shit costs.

It's always the loophole.

I'm good.

I'm good.

Hey.

I got grands.

Ain't no sense in A.

Ain't no sense in my grands being older than my own kids.

Grands older than the

grands older than the uncle and aunt.

Hey.

And one thing about it, though, when I think about it, man, it's a beautiful thing, man.

Yeah, for sure.

I don't regret any of my decisions, man.

My kids are beautiful, man.

Those I've had kids from, it's awesome.

We on the same page.

There's no ill will.

There's an understanding that the kids come first and everything that we do is for them.

So

that's a great thing.

I really really have issues too.

You know, most of the time when you have, we don't do things the traditional way, there's always, you know, riffs and raps.

And

yeah, I don't have no problems.

I mean, there are disagreements at times.

You know, there's certain times we don't, you know, we don't see eye to eye.

How much diapers cost?

How much diapers?

I can get diapers from a homeboy in the city.

A little bit of nothing.

How much a box of pampas cost, George?

George, Google it right quick.

I got a dude in Liberty City right now.

Give me Pampas, formula anything you need for a little bit of nothing 45

i get hey i get you that say i get you them pampas the same pamphlet you talk about i get you fifteen dollars

fifteen i can get you formula i get you a pack of formula for five dollars right now

i'm gonna have me a farm i'm gonna give me some goats they're gonna be drinking goat milk i'm telling you

hey But back in the day, people used to have them cloth diapers.

They didn't have no real pamphlets.

They had cloth diapers that, you know, you wash yeah and use them again

hell yeah i know you're about real joe use them hell yeah

man please

all right time for our final segment of the evening it's time for q and a that was dope i like i like that

hey hey i hope my voice stay like this like like for like maybe the rest of the month i

Daniel Lawson said, thank you for the highlights of track and field.

Thank you.

You know, we want to show our, you know, our track and field athletes, they don't get the credit they deserve.

I understand, you know, doing a few track workouts, nothing like what they do professionally, but understanding that the work that they put in and not for a lot of money, not for a lot of attention.

And so we want to show those guys.

So we're very proud of everybody that went to the world championships, the ones that brought back gold medals, silver medal, bronze medals that ran on the relays, the alternates.

Thank you for your support.

I mean, thank you for your participation and all the hard work and dedication because, you know, some, that's the only World Track and Field Championship they're going to go to.

And some, hopefully, I think they got the ultimate games next year.

And then 27 is another world championship.

And then 28 is the Olympics.

So, yep.

Thank you guys for

making us the pod that you want to come to.

You want to talk about here track and field or you want to talk, see some of the track and field athletes?

uh where you come to true and infamous 73 said kyler murray now being 8-22 against the nfc west that's crazy it is

uh and uh it's gonna hard it's gonna be hard for you to win that division with that kind of record ocho

it is gonna be hard

his offensive lines kyler murray but look some of the sacks are on him but not all of them i mean he seems like he gets sacked damn near like four or five times a game he got sacked six times tonight.

Hey, he's so small back there.

But hey, when he gets up out of there, hey, Kylie be gone.

Hey, he looked like a little kid, like a little kid.

When you tell a little kid,

come here and bring that.

Man, Brick, come here.

And he just like you take off like a little bad little kid.

Rob Live said Marvin Harrison Jr.

does not mesh well with Kyler Murray.

He needs a different quarterback to show his real potential.

Hate to see his early years go to waste.

How are they going to waste?

I mean, Kyler was rookie of the year.

He's been to the Pro Bowl.

I mean, Kyler throw it to him.

I mean, damn, he dropped it.

That ain't no Kyler.

Yeah, he's tripping.

Whoever said that is tripping.

He's getting all the opportunities he's supposed to get.

He's playing with a quarterback that's good enough that is getting him and throwing the ball.

High-volume balls.

He's getting opportunities.

You just got to make the most of them right now.

Ain't got nothing to do with the quarterback.

That's it.

Money making Tay say, what up, Uncle No Cho?

Can y'all give a birthday shout out to my brothers, De Anthony D.

Woods and Damian Pumpkin Wooten, Wooten.

I'd appreciate it.

We absolutely can.

De Anthony D and Damien Pumpkin.

I got an aunt

who just.

Pumpkin.

Call her pumpkin.

Happy birthday, bro.

Your brother wanted to wish you guys a happy birthday.

Hopefully you did something fun today.

Went out with your family, friends, and some loved ones.

Got an opportunity to sit around and be thankful.

Another day around, another year around the sun, man.

Somebody didn't get an opportunity to see their birthday.

Somebody had an appointment they couldn't reschedule.

So, every morning that you wake up,

that's another day to be thankful.

And anything that happens after that,

you graciously accept.

So, happy birthday, De Anthony.

Happy birthday, Damien.

Hey, that's such a gem, too.

And that gem, that's a gem you use every so often.

Some people had an appointment that they couldn't reschedule.

They couldn't?

I'm using that tomorrow morning.

That's going to be my first tweet.

That's going to be my first tweet.

Dr.

Frank L.

Bellamy said, Chat, I don't want to hear from y'all.

Y'all say foot or ball if you haven't voted for my guys for the signal award.

Get on them, Doc.

We need to win these awards.

That's what Ocho.

I got to make sure.

You know what?

Chat, this is what I'm going to do.

I'm going to make you guys a promise.

If we win the award,

I'm sending Ocho to award.

As soon as I get it,

as soon as I get it, I give y'all my words.

One thing about God, God is good all the time.

And

I don't know what kind of car y'all are driving, but I know who got my will.

I know who behind my will.

Shoot,

I'm finna get my gifts.

Pat Dubb said, Uncle you caught it last night.

All that coffee Ocho was doing last night.

Look at him now.

P.S.

This is a good week to have Prime or Playmaker on,

man.

Prime, Pride got

Prime got

college football.

He got Colorado ready.

Who they playing?

What are they playing?

I don't know who they play this.

Who they play this week?

Oh, BYU, I think.

BYU.

ABY.

They play BYU.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

They good.

Triple H.

I'm satisfied.

Ocho, drink some tea and honey.

A 48 to 10.

48 to 10.

Oh, yeah, 48 to 10.

Scold.

Hey, that wasn't necessary.

I appreciate the advice of what to do, the cure, but

I kind of like my voice this deep.

I think it's sexy, and I want it to stay as long as possible.

Yeah.

Quentin Mobley.

No, Uncle,

you over there sniffing and coughing now.

Now, I told y'all, Ocho got me.

Ain't got nothing to do with that.

Anything, anything going over there with you?

That's that's on you.

They ain't got nothing to do with me.

My sinus is acting up.

Uh, she breezy famous.

Fix bro, speed.

Ocho.

Uh, he only got 92 shots up.

Beat 96.

Oh, he only got 92 shots up.

Beat 96.

Who speed you wanting to fix?

I don't know who we talking about.

What Taekwan speed is?

Yeah.

Uh,

Sajay 17.

What's up, Uncan Ocho?

Ocho, can you please call Brian Thomas Jr.?

Just kidding.

But why is he dropping all these pants?

I got him from a Die Hard Jackson.

I got him.

I got him.

I got him.

I've been made that call already.

We're good.

We made that in.

We tapped in.

We good.

We good.

Tyler Hamilton said, hey, my pops played against you in college.

His name was Millard Hamilton.

He played for the Bills New York 91 to 93.

I'm from the country in South Carolina.

Millard Hamilton.

Millard Hamilton.

I got to go ahead and look at that.

They beat us.

We didn't beat the Bills not one time from 91 to 93.

So

ain't no sense in me holding you.

We didn't.

Tony L.G.

said my birthday is Sunday.

I'm going to go into the Monday night game at Mile High.

All I want to do is put 40 on the beat.

Imagine.

Happy early birthday.

But that's what I want too.

Another 4810.

Happy, happy, happy birthday, but that ain't happening.

I I can tell you that right now.

M.

Mike Banks, Jayward 9th is coming up.

Birthday twin.

We're pulling out 5,901s at Tussie.

We'll pay him back.

Matter of fact.

Hey, matter of fact, we ain't going to Tussie's on a birthday.

We're going to go to Booby Trap.

We're going to go to Booby Trap.

Go in that thing.

And we're going to throw them one by one.

Slow motion.

Deion DeGo said, Ocho out here sounding like Lil Wayne.

Nah, I'm Ocho.

Hey, bag on head in the grass.

You go ahead.

Bag on head said, I just want to say thank you guys.

You weren't just amazing players.

You brought entertainment, excitement to the game.

You were both must-see TV.

Thank you very much.

I appreciate that.

JJ said, Ocho, give me

some less FC26.

I just started watching soccer and playing FIFA and FC.

You got a long way to go, boy.

He wants some lessons, though, I'm 20 years in, man.

You got to, matter of fact, when you buy the game, it gives you a whole tutorial on how to play.

Oh, I guess you don't know how to play then.

Who?

Now, it gives you a tutorial on how to play when you buy it.

So you don't even need no lessons from me, but I'll be here when you need your ass whooped.

All right, guys.

Thank you so much for joining us for another episode of Nightcap.

I'm your favorite unc, Shannon Sharp, and there he is, my partner and co-host, Liberty City's own Bingles Ring of Fame honoree, the former Pro Bowler, all-pro.

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The Seattle Seahawks get a tough division win on the road.

23-20 over the Arizona Cardinals to move their record to 3-1.

And the Cardinals fall to 2-2.

Seattle wins thanks to a walk-off field goal myers missed early but he redeemed himself kicks the 52 yarder as time expires as they win 23 20.

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