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Welcome back to Debo and Joe.

I'm your host, James Debo Harrison.

I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden.

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How you doing today, Joe?

Man, I'm doing good, Brother Debo, man.

Always good after a great day, night, of watching football, man.

How you feeling?

You know, I'm feeling real good, man.

Anytime, you know, the Ravens lose, there's only one thing that's better than that.

And that's a, you know, that's a stealer win.

Okay, no, for sure, for sure.

You know, I can't think of nothing else.

You know, the Ravens go in there and they get beat

38 to, you know, 38 to 30.

At their crib.

At their crib.

Here's the craziest thing.

It's like.

I'm listening to the announcers like before the game and they're talking about how, you know, the Ravens defense is so stacked.

And I'm sitting there and I'm like,

hmm, they gave up 400 and some chains to Buffalo.

Cleveland don't really count, but they still

gave up 5.2 a carry.

You know what I'm saying?

It was on the field for 70 plays, lost the time of possession.

This vaunted defense that can't seem to get off the field.

And the first player to drive, what Detroit do, they go down there, 11 plays, it's no resistance.

They score.

And I'm sitting there like, whoa, okay.

Maybe, you know, maybe they just lacking.

Baltimore comes in.

I really didn't expect them to go down that fast and just score seven.

I think it was only like five or six plays or something.

Yeah, Lamar, they made it look easy.

Derrick Hammond.

Right.

I'm like, okay, okay.

Maybe

this is going to be one of them games I'm really not too comfortable with it's high scoring games i don't really like high scoring games i prefer for the ravens to lose every time but i just i i don't i don't like i don't like high scoring games the very next possession though the punter the punt returner dude he makes a horrible decision i'm like this is going this look like it might be going sideways they didn't put him in like inside the two bro yes and i'm like okay let's see what's gonna happen here but again that vaunted defense that's so stacked that they said,

let him go the full length, 98 yards.

Yeah, 18 plays, almost 11 minutes, bro.

And on top of that, 13 of those 18 were running plays.

So they went ahead and shoved it down their throat.

That dude, they gave him some Montgomery.

They gave him some Gibbs.

It was, it was embarrassing.

You know what I'm saying?

They started at the two and they drove it all the way down the field.

It didn't look, there was no resistance.

Right.

And then in the very very next possession, I'm looking and I'm like, the Ravens start driving again.

You know, they get, they, they get a little shortfield, they drive, and they go for it on fourth down.

And I'm like, please don't let them make it.

They don't make it.

I'm like, cool.

They lose the points.

They don't get the points, rather, I should say.

You know, you get Detroit back on the field.

I'm like, all right, Detroit goes do something.

Nope.

The Ravens actually stood up.

They go three and out.

I'm like, okay.

again they didn't gave these dudes a short field lamar then basically just takes it on him of course it was a a pi in that whole thing but you know they tie it back up

man we're going in a halftime i'm thinking 14 14 debo no question i'm thinking it's about to be one of these high scores dude

then the third quarter comes in and now i'm sure like it's going to be a high score.

The Ravens run down there and immediately, boom them with 21.

you know what i'm saying when they do that though debo on that drive when they came out i would say the lions they could have picked the ball off twice you know

when branch he came he dropped the pick and then they tried to run a double pass and uh not a double pass a toss to uh henry he tried to throw one dj reed had one in the end zone so they dropped

they had two picks that they dropped and then they ended up giving up a touchdown on that drive So, I was looking at, I was looking at like the Ravens right there, like, man, these, y'all, y'all gotta, y'all slipping, you know what I'm saying?

And then the Lions, like, y'all letting them, y'all could be trying to close them out, like turning, making those plays turnovers, but gave them more chances, drove it down, and they scored there 21-14.

Right.

So, now I'm thinking, all right, the Ravens defense, they go come out and they go ahead, put a, put a stop to it.

It's going to start being, you know, the defense that the announcers were talking about at the beginning.

And now,

Detroit goes down there and answers 2121.

2121.

But let me tell you about this one, too.

This is where I started talking about Detroit's play calling.

Do you know what I'm saying?

Oh, yeah.

They did a double pass in that drive, and then they did a double move with Amaron Say Brown, hit him with the double move to get that, to get that touchdown.

It was like some of the things, it was just looking easier for the Lions than the Ravens.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, Jerry.

Oh, yeah, way more consistent with it.

Yeah, no question.

No, no, no.

So we got back to 21-21.

So now we're back at that.

Oh, Detroit comes out.

The defense answers three and out.

I'm surprised by that.

I ain't going to lie, because it's Lamar.

How many times you hold him to three and out is crazy.

Yeah, yeah.

Now, what does that Balton Ravens defense do after that?

They go ahead and they give up.

Hey, girl, 72 yards to my guy, Dave Montgomery.

Okay.

And then...

when they scored, it was, I don't even know what to call it is, like a

double pitch, a handoff pitch, whatever it was.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was, that was the right shit.

They had my man Amaron Say Brown running the option with Gibbs.

That was just, that's why I go with the play calling.

Like just, just calling, you know what I'm saying?

Just making things easier for them, getting the ball into your playmakers' hands.

Some people are running scot-free.

Like that was just great play call on the line side, making it easy for them to, you know what I'm saying, get down the field, make plays happen.

So

you make it easy now.

You know, Montgomery came to that thing with that bop bop oh no no when he down there and a z man he was he did and he did catch it and the refrigerator did jump on my man's back and no question

no question i'm seeing him run and i'm like man he i hope he's looking at the scoreboard because dude coming up on that right he was he tried to see him start leaning yeah he started leaning right and then lamar comes in immediately starts driving again but what happens The same issue that has been happening a little bit.

Well, basically the whole game, like he's pressured.

He's sacked on two, I believe, two consecutive downs.

It stalls him out.

They end up having to settle for a field goal.

And now it's what 28, 24.

Game's close.

Everything going good.

Defense comes out there again.

Baltimore actually stands up.

They go

to three and out.

They get a stop.

And lo and behold,

Derrick Henry goes and fumbles the ball inside like they 20, 15 yard line.

Yeah.

And I'm like, yo, if they get this tutty right here, it's over with.

And I'm thinking the Ravens ain't going to be able to stop him.

They're too close.

Like they already drove on him for like 98, you know, and then another one for like 94.

So I'm like, they ain't going to be able to stop him.

They actually stand up.

Yes.

Hold them to three.

Give up three.

Right.

So it's still

within there.

You know what I'm saying?

But that defense of the Detroit Lions, dude, they come out very first play.

They sack Lamar.

They done put them behind the chains.

They go three and out, dude.

Muhammad was balling.

Hutchinson getting after the whole time.

They had seven sacks, bro.

No, hey, no question about it.

And then what does Detroit?

They get that rock back.

They only ran seven plays, dude.

Come on.

I believe five of them was run plays.

And my guy, Demo,

again,

he's going to go ahead and cap that thing off with a 31-yard touchdown.

No, for sure.

But I'm going to,

the biggest play on that drive, too, was the fourth and two that they hit when they like, they kept, they kept sending Amarase Brown in to like insert block.

You know what I'm saying?

Kept having to insert block.

All the plays, third and shorts, he was in there insert blocking, insert blocking.

And when you need the play to play, he comes in like he's about to insert block and he takes off on the seven route and he holds him you know

catch it the hole would have still catch it

you know what i'm saying and that was a great pass by golf so i look at it when that in the second half it's play calling it's execution you know what i'm saying that they were doing that was so good so then obviously after that fourth and two they got it montgomery he's going to tote it in he's going to get he was doing it the whole game running for first down every tote so no question dude like out of out of control with it i mean for this so-called i mean last year they were they were good against run this year they're they're horrible against run so basically they down 14.

i think it's less than two minutes left they managed to get a little touchdown missed it you know how that goes debo yeah yeah like you know it's really kind of garbage time but you

don't like you know what i'm saying like third and 26 hill broke a tackle and got that first down and then it was able to do the garbage defense just retreating retreating they went right they did that that the defense that you hate i hate that dude i hate that with a passion dude and they gave it up so honestly at the end of the day, the score was really 38 to 24.

That was a garbage seven.

So it made it look like they lost by eight.

But,

man, that last drive by the last drive by the Lions, being able to get that fourth and two and then score that touchdown was amazing.

And then Hutchison and that defense being able to.

creating those sacks.

They sacked Lamar seven times and then he punched the rock out.

You know what I'm saying?

On Derrick Henry.

That was a, Derrick Henry, you got to make sure that you don't fumble the ball.

But at at the end of the day, that's great effort.

He was going at the rock, he was looking at that ball to punch it out.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, so that's why, you know, I'm saying you got to protect the Derrick Henry, but that's great defense of ball searching, trying to make sure you see the rock, go get that ball.

You know what I'm saying?

No question, dude.

Them dudes were hooping in Detroit, you know what I'm saying, being able to make those plays.

Dude, I believe the Lions had more rushing yards than they had passing yards.

Like, I think they had like 220

rushing, and I think like 208 passing.

Yes, yes.

That sounded dead.

That sounds about right, dude.

That's balanced bowl.

The Ravens have issues over there.

The defense right now is trash.

I'm dead serious, bro.

Like, they giving up over 400 yards a game, bro.

They're dead last,

you know, in pass rating.

I mean, in the past, like as far as

yards,

I think they're middle, middle, bottom half of, in, in the rush and dead last as a, as a whole unit, you know, and I don't know what happened with the offensive line.

Lamar was sacked, like you said, seven times, but he was pressured 30, bro.

Yeah.

30 times.

And he still went, he still went 21 of 27 for almost 300 with three tugs.

Think what he could do.

if he wasn't under all that pressure all night, duh.

No, for sure.

Think what he could do.

And the Ravens only had 85 yards rushing.

Like you built what you have right now around being able to successfully run the ball.

And you got Derrick Henry, who is in here making history.

Like my guy done fumbled.

You talking about this.

Each game.

In the first three games,

he just made history with that.

He got to get some ball security going on.

Like maybe do some drills of some sort.

And, you know, I understand this coming from the backside, but I mean, at all times, you're supposed to have that thing high and tight.

So, dude.

You know, how Coach T said, man,

you running with our hopes and dreams.

No question.

That is the livelihood of the game.

If you lose the rock, that's the main thing.

You can't just be, I know you're a great running back, but those are possessions.

And you losing one each game.

We don't want it to become a thing.

I'm not knocking Derek, but that's just something that you can't have done.

I know he's mad about it, but you got to make sure that that's you can't be fumbling the ball like that.

That's going to mess up the squad.

So, like a coach T would say, man, you're running with our hopes and dreams.

So, that ball is everything.

Hey, hey, they also became

the first team in

NFL history to have 111 points in a season through the first three games and have a losing record.

Like,

they're breaking all kinds of records over there.

And it's because the defense is not doing their part.

They're not even close to doing their part.

You gave up four scoring drives of 69, no, 67, 98, 60, and 94.

What defense

that's supposed to be so great does that?

It's hard.

to make those drives to like make like like just continue to get first downs not just like a chunk play like a two play drive we're talking about 11 11 minutes off the clock we're talking about 11 longer plays they just had almost a whole quarter come on now what are you talking about that's that's not you on top of that the ravens had 20 missed tackles bro

now that's bad ball and especially when they're toting the ball at such a high clip montgomery was ran the ball for what was 11 12 totes for 154.

You know what I'm saying?

He had the 75-yardable, but without that, it's still 11, like it's still 11 totes at 80 yards, 7.5 to carry, regardless if you take away the 75-yarder.

You can't take it away.

Ain't no taking away.

Ain't no taking, but with the 13 yards a tote, that's 13 yards a tote.

Like you're, you can't win like that.

And then Jared Goff, he didn't get sacked.

No, he

sacked zero sacks.

Zero sacks, 24, I think it was 21 for 27, something like that, with 202 yards, a touchdown, zero interceptions.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, that's what you're looking for.

He's not, he didn't, he wasn't asked to do too much.

When he needed to convert those third downs, he was doing it, handing it off, Gibbs, catching out of the backfield.

They have so many players that they're just getting it to him when they need to, making the right plays.

And they were just running through the Ravens defense.

They couldn't really do anything.

They couldn't stop nothing.

Oh, they couldn't even get close to stopping nothing.

And that's something else.

The Lions defense, dude, they

did everything that was basically necessary, barring a few little things here and there.

But again, they had Ravens, 20 missed tackles.

Lions, I only had four missed tackles on defense.

Like they were wrapping things up and securing it.

That's what you got to do.

It's, dude, it's only like four as a whole defense.

What was it?

I mean, they really only had whatever, was it 40-something, 50 plays or whatever it was that really, that really mattered.

But at the same time, like you're talking about Lamar Jackson.

And that was probably four of the missed tackles, you know what i'm saying

no for sure i mean and i saw them miss and they missed the tackle um on that third and 26 at the end of the game during makeup when he ended up getting the first down so you take away that play like them dudes was hooping making making tackles when they had to oh no question dude then that defensive line like hutchinson him being able to get after the quarterback create those sacks and force the fumbles uh muhammad like they just had a bunch of dudes making plays in the back end dj reed branch he was in position all the time that's the other thing too they weren't people just running scot-free a lot saying like people were making plays like andrews made plays on branch with him right in his pocket like that was just a great throws great catches you know i'm saying but good position you know i'm saying they're gonna win some but it wasn't like he was just running wide open by itself on a lot of them yeah and a lot of the guys that was with uh detroit they were they were hurt last year towards the end of the year so they back they're back full of strength right now so they're they're getting they're getting something that they did that they didn't uh see at the end And I think people are,

and plus, you know, I think they had, what was it, eight new coaches on the whole staff of Detroit,

two,

both offensive and defensive coordinators.

I think they're starting to get all that together right now and be able to put it together so that they can go out there and do what they got to do.

They're going on an upward trajectory.

You know, we said at the beginning of the season, we didn't really know.

It didn't look too good, but they're continuing to show that they're getting better.

And they're taking it week by week, game by game.

I mean, I really like the way that they do their approach.

And I think it's a head coach.

Like, they love the way they head coach, keep going for fourth down.

They're trying to win the game.

They're not trying to lose.

They're not playing scared.

And if you got a coach that believes in you guys and you are executing at a high clip, then, you know what I'm saying?

They, y'all are, y'all are

on the right path.

Oh, yeah, dude.

It says before 2025, no starting quarterback had ever lost multiple games where they had 140 passer rating

in a single season.

Lamar Jackson already has two losses through three weeks over 140 for this year.

He was 144 against Buffalo.

He was 148 today.

Well, yesterday against the Lions.

Both games they lost.

Like,

what do you say to

your offense,

your offense, your defense, hell, your offensive line this week, because they didn't really help much of

the stats that he did get.

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Pressuring.

What do you say to that?

Like, how do you come in and be like, yo,

like, we could do this better.

We could.

I think some of the stuff with the offensive line, some of the, some of the sacks, I would say, I would say some of the sacks are like Lamar trying to extend plays,

keeping the ball a little bit too long.

Sometimes, Lamar, take off.

You know what I'm saying?

If it's not there, we need to just go get something, slide, get down.

You're an athlete.

Like, some of that stuff just trying to wait, wait, wait.

Like it's not there.

It's not there.

Get out of there.

So some of it isn't as much on the offensive line, but at the same time, y'all are scoring.

You're playing.

You're efficient.

Our offense is pretty efficient.

We scored 30 points, but like that's some stuff we just got to watch the tape, continue to do better.

But a lot of these things aren't our bad as much.

We can definitely do better.

We can definitely protect Lamar.

We can protect the ball.

Derrick Henry not.

fumbling once again.

We don't turn the ball over.

We're a good offense, but we can't be giving the ball back.

We can't keep putting our defense.

Our defense is already struggling.

Let's not help.

Let's not hurt them anymore.

You know what I'm saying?

Let's try to give them short fields.

Let's try to make them protect like leads.

You know what I'm saying?

If they're having to play from behind, they're not really that defense is going to get us back into the game.

So.

Well, hell, even when they playing ahead, that don't work either.

We saw that in Buffalo.

Yeah, yeah, no.

I mean,

something has to be done.

I think it's more the defense's fault on the Ravens and than i would say the offense oh i mean lamar jackson his qb ratings are amazing i'm sometimes i'm just saying don't keep the ball in your hands as much just try to get out of there throw the ball away it's okay he he averages less than one throwaway a game it's so because he doesn't he believes if it's in my hands i'm going to make something happen but sometimes just getting it out of bounds living for the next play is a better situation you know what i'm saying

the defense can definitely definitely do a lot better offense isn't really struggling too much it's just it's a team game we got to have the defense doing a whole lot better and we can't turn the ball over basically at all.

Like Derrick Henry, we can't have you averaging one turnover a game.

That's not winning football for us.

Oh, yeah.

It's going to start with the defense, though.

100%.

That'll start with the defense.

I mean, of course, the offense is not playing perfect, but you're looking at the numbers that, you know, they're putting up.

We got to be able as a defense to stop someone.

We're historically bad right now at the Ravens.

Like, you can't be asking, you know what I'm saying?

Then the offense is doing good, but okay, not the best, but your defense is historically bad.

Like, we can do a whole lot better.

Yeah, for sure.

So, Matt Lafe,

watch how I say it, but braces to the foot.

If I don't go, LaFure,

if I don't put my lips out, it brace up against my stuff.

He wasn't happy with the undefeated talk from his team.

I guess after they went 2-0,

the tackle walker

said that

he thought, he said, I see it a million.

No, Lafe said, I see it a million times.

I say it a million times to you guys.

I don't think I've obviously said it enough to our team.

The goal is to go one and oh every week.

He said, and it pisses me off when we start talking about things outside of the game, things that

are way down the road, like focus on, keep the focus on the present, on now, and worry about getting better each and every day.

How do you feel about guys when they go to the, oh, I think we can go and defeat it, and actually

put it out there, say it in an interview, and you're only, you know, you're only 2-0 at that point.

I think it's dumb.

At the end of the day,

what Coach said was the best thing that you could say.

Go one and no.

It's hard enough to win a game.

You know what I'm saying?

And then these dudes are getting paid.

If you start looking forward and past, folks, that's how you lose to a team that you were better than you gotta beat the team that you planned in that stadium that week that's all you got to do that's all you got to worry about our film study our focus is about this team because they can beat us these are also professional athletes that we're playing against and if you get your mind past that you're thinking about something else you can easily lose you know what i'm saying so the thing is you got to be singularly focused on exactly what the mission is and that's each week winning this game When you walk into a stadium, our goal is to beat this team.

I'm studying.

I'm doing all of my film work.

I'm doing everything I got to do to win this week and if we don't win this week we'll figure it out monday and tuesday and on wednesday my goal is to win the next game you know i'm saying period that's going to be off your map you're not worried about that because you're not

monday because they already

yeah monday you know what i'm saying so tuesday is wash but like wednesday we we're completely singly focused on the next one so it's like you gotta it's hard enough to win a game in this league and then when you start thinking that you're better than you are and start preparing for other teams and not worrying about the team that's right ahead of you.

That's how you're going to lose.

Dog stomp them then if they're not good enough.

You know what I'm saying?

They shouldn't be on the field.

Make this a stat game.

Go crazy.

And then you can go to the next one and then work on that.

So I completely agree with the coach and the way he thinks because, like, it's any given Sunday, you walk into the stadium thinking it's sweet and you'll get smacked and then you'll be looking crazy trying to figure it out.

Yeah, I think what I 100% agree with him.

And when you hear guys say that and they say it out loud and it gets out there, again, bulletin board material.

You don't want to give nobody no bulletin board material.

Because what you just did in week two, you just gave 15 teams bulletin board material because you looked at your lists of teams that you had left and you said, win, win, it's all wins.

Yes, I think we can go 500.

So you just said that to them.

Without saying it, I'm reading in between the lines.

You just said you marking us as a W, y'all go pop our ass.

What happens?

You go out there to Cleveland.

Cleveland got a defense.

The offense does its job.

And you sitting there and that undefeated talk is a crock of shit.

You couldn't even win the next game.

So I'm 100% with him.

Again, taking guys like.

You're taking the team like, oh, we go going here, do this.

Oh, my whole schedule look like.

When you're saying something like that, your whole, to you your whole schedule looks like

and it's it's it's nothing easy in this league dude no for sure and debo even if you feel that way you're not gonna go like you can say it amongst your boys but once you go put it out there to everybody now it's that like you said it's bulletin board material you feel like you're gonna go undefeated you think that any team you're gonna play you're gonna win but like going out there putting it out there is bulletin board material and then when you go out there and get dog stomped and it's this early in the year that was for all for nothing you know you think you're gonna win just go out there be say it, be respectful in the media, because then that's not going to do anything.

That's not going to do anything about how you go out there and play.

You know what I'm saying?

But I'll actually motivate somebody else.

Yes, it's going to motivate the other team.

Like, this is what you said.

Literally going into the, before the next game, which is us, which is Cleveland, like,

he said this.

If you can't get up for that, you can't get up for nothing.

And from that point forward, that could be used in every

every team because he looked at the thing and he said

oh yeah we're running the board i don't see nobody on here that could beat us

i don't i don't i don't understand the the thought process especially that like it's okay to sell wolf tickets to the next game but you just sold them to 15 others and you don't even know You don't even know.

You don't even know.

You don't even know, man.

You're talking about like, we not even, you're not even a lot for the playoffs.

You're not even mathematically, like, you could literally get mathematically eliminated.

You know what I'm saying?

There's so many more things that could happen.

Like, that would be horrible if they went in.

I don't see it happening, but I don't see it happening either.

But we didn't see, like, a lot of people didn't see the brand.

You got to go in.

You got to win the games.

You know what I'm saying?

Injuries-wise, not wishing anything on anybody, but you got to go out there.

It's a long season.

It's going to be wear and tear.

Like, we're going to see what happens in week seven, week eight, week nine.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, who's still standing up right you know what i'm saying like that's it's a very very long season and going in week two talking about you gonna go undefeated because you won two games is actually crazy yes so michael parsons is returning to dallas next week jerry jones said the club will not plan for a tribute type video during sunday's game against the packers

unlike the ones they created for Emmett Smith or Ezekiel upon their return to Dallas.

I don't, he said, I don't think that's appropriate this way.

Emmett was a different story.

There is not, that's not to diminish Michael.

I think Micah has enough welcome out there, and we need to show

that's,

and we need to show that we've got anecdotes for that.

All right, he's saying he go welcome him out there.

They got to stop him.

What do you feel about this, dude?

Me personally, this is how I feel about it.

How you feel, Debo?

I don't think you should give any tribute to a player that you are playing against

that week

to

give any type of boost,

all that.

Like you can get all that after you're done playing

or when you're not in a game that I don't.

I just don't, I'm not cool with it.

Like, I understand that he was there for four years and he said, you know, this was a different situation.

That was a different situation.

But

I think the big thing, too, though, is like he's playing the Packers.

I'm not trying to give him

a highlight show of himself

in our stadium against us.

I'm just, I'm just not, I'm just not doing it.

Like, like, Emma Smith was the what?

That's what I'm saying.

Do you feel nobody?

So,

but do you feel the same way about like Ezekiel?

Because if Ezekiel Elliott got one, do you think it's a little different or not?

Because I think Emmett Smith won Super Bowls for them.

You know what I'm saying?

And played for them for a very, very long time.

Multiple, definitely did a read-up contract.

I think that's the other thing, too.

Well, you got to also understand that Jerry feel like

Micah did him wrong.

Oh, for sure.

So

it's a little different.

You know what I'm saying?

No, no.

I think the big thing is like over time, especially in this business what

you know issues you may have had with a coach or owner or gm they dissipate over time it's not it's no longer you know no longer

yeah and on top of it like it's no issues now in the current time that having the same or having that relationship, you don't have, you won't have that same relationship with them.

So you, you tend to just let things go and and and move on and you build back you know whatever that relationship would be or you don't and you just you you just splice off but people just you don't you don't care as much you know what i'm saying i think i think it's a i think it's a like a two-way street i think it's with with jerry jones too you know how he didn't let um my man jimmy johnson he wasn't in the ring of honor for a while because you know i'm saying that relationship knowing he should have been in the ring of honor and then i think with jerry jones bringing in uh micah parsons i don't think four years playing with a team deserves a

um

highlight tape of you coming back to the spot you know what i'm saying if you would have went super bowls and been there for a while multi-contract guy um and then coming back on your like later latter end of your career then maybe you know what i'm saying just out of respect depending on how how that relationship ended you know what i'm saying people do feel some type of way like you said um and owners do have a right to either do it or not.

And I know Jerry, not putting Jimmy in the ring of honor for a while, it's more personal.

And then, like you said, once time goes by and bygones be bygones, he ends up putting it back in because it's like, all right, yeah, it is what it is.

You know what I'm saying?

But Michael Parsons, we just went through nasty contract negotiations.

Yes, you were here for four years.

This shit is still fresh.

It's too fresh.

Like, and I'm looking at my pass rush right now.

No, no, I ain't giving you none of that.

None of that right now.

No, no, I want you to feel like, no, this this is your world.

No, this is Jerry's world.

Right.

Like, I can see definitely why he wouldn't do it.

And it's just situational-wise.

So, like, I don't feel no type of way that Jerry's not doing it.

I can see why he's doing it.

I would expect him to not do the highlight tape right now.

It's too early.

It's too fresh.

And, you know what I'm saying?

Michael was just in the building.

So, like, definitely.

Yeah, for sure.

So, Travis Hunter.

Let's step over here.

He's playing both sides, offense, defense, played over 30 snaps at each wide receiver and cornerback for Jacksonville in weeks one and two.

And it said, however, he has not been as impactful as

thrust far, especially on the offensive side of the ball.

16 targets, 10 catches, 76 yards.

Coach Prime,

who has consistently supported Hunter.

said

they're not using him enough.

Quote, they're not using him enough.

I've seen it with my own eyes on an everyday basis for three straight years, so I know what he's capable of.

He's always had at least five hours of study each week.

He had a phenomenal, he's, he is just a phenomenal athlete, one of the greatest I've ever seen, do both simultaneously, and he's dominated.

What do you, um,

what do you think?

Do you think he just needs time?

Do you think he needs

a better

landing?

Do you think

my mind is starting to get a little bit, I'm starting to think a little bit differently than what I thought about at first.

Just because

what it says like, you got to be a master, a master of if you're really good at a lot of things, you can't be a master of none.

So I'm kind of more now leaning to, if we want to, we want him to, Jacksonville, we want to get him on the ball.

We want him to be, he's an offensive offensive player he's a wide receiver also if you want to do it make him something 100

let him be able to get out there where he can get all of the plays on offense know what's going on because he's a playmaker he's a game changer and i think if he gets the ball in his hands like prime is saying he can help your offense out splitting him and not being able to let him thrive, you know what I'm saying, at one is kind of, I think, limiting him.

And it's not letting him just be able to go all in and get plays on something, like being able to get coming out, not being able to get a groove, getting the feel of a game.

I think that is kind of a real thing.

And me, I didn't play both ways, but I'm just saying, like, you got to get going and being able to get going on defense and then having to come out, get going on offense, starting to get a groove, having to come out.

I don't know what kind of flow or what kind of rhythm you can get going.

So I can see what Dion's saying is like, you're not using them right.

I think you got to use them 100% on offense or something or 100% on defense or 100% on offense and 20% on defense.

But you got to make the main, one of the main things, the main thing to where he can be a Pro Bowler at something, or he won't just be average at both.

You know what I'm saying?

I think he can be a really great Pro Bowl receiver or a really great Pro Bowl cornerback.

But if he's playing both at the same time, with the time that he's getting with the plays, he's not going to be able to impact the game in the way that he is.

So he needs to be 100% out there on the field, no matter what.

And I think that's going to increase his impact tremendously on whatever side he ends up going 100% of it.

But he got to main things something so he can be a master or something and not just good or average at two things.

Yeah, I think they should do the same thing and just pick one, whether it's corner or if it's receiver and let him grind in, focus on that.

And you can have, you know,

special things here and there where he's not.

actually dedicated to having to learn a whole bunch on one side or the other to do whatever those few you know number of plays is but i think if he's able to sit on one side really concentrate on that focus in on that and just let his athletic talent you know dictate how he plays on the other i think he i think he would be more impactful thousand percent because more and more i think about it though too debo it's like How much time do you actually really have in practice?

You know what I'm saying?

Like to do the things.

Like my offense is doing their thing, defense is doing our thing.

And then when we go together,

you know what I'm saying?

You can't be in two places at one time to be getting the install with the guys, with everything and kind of

all meetings go on at the same time.

All meetings are going on at the same exact time.

So you can't really be in two places at one time.

So I love Travis Hunter.

I don't think that, but I don't think, I think that it's not letting him be as great as he can be when he's got a, the puller, he's got to be in two places at one time when you can't do that.

Yeah, you're giving him, I mean, I like, again, you're talking

college to pro

a little bit of a different system, especially, you know, when you're getting there with, you know, defenses, you know, trying to have a rookie quarterback, you know, read defense is, is, is a challenge, you know, and

getting out there as a receiver and knowing when, you know, you're supposed to keep going, sit down, you need to work a little something here or there, and being able to concentrate on just that offensive side of it.

Or, again, defensive side of it, whatever they, they, they choose to to be, yeah.

Um, choose him to be is uh

it's what's really, really gonna.

I feel like you be able to help him lock in on one.

Yep, hey man, look, I'm even put him on if you're gonna 100% offense, special teams,

kick return, pump return.

They just want I want to just get the ball in his hands, and then on offense, because he's a playmaker.

If you want to do defense, you can do defense too, and all that stuff, but just make him let him do something 100%,

yeah, yeah.

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Looks like the 49ers are three and oh, buddy.

They're doing well, but they just lost Bosa.

He's out with an ACL tear.

Do you think, I mean, they've from the last, what, one, two, three, four, five, six years, they've led.

Not led, but they've been up there high in injuries.

Two to three.

It looks like they were number one.

You feel like

a curse.

It's no curse.

I don't think it's a curse.

I think,

I don't know, man.

I think it's just bad,

you know, bad luck, timing, whatever you want to, you know, do.

I mean, you got Purdy out, Kittles out, Jennings out.

Now you got

also out.

Yep.

I mean, I think it's unfortunate.

You know what I'm saying?

Everybody in the league is get, everybody gets hurt.

Everybody, all teams get injured.

I don't think...

It's the second time that Bosa did his ACL?

Man, Bosa's been getting hurt a lot, bro.

And

I hope he's going to be okay.

But it's just,

them things happen.

You don't want to, you don't, like, like with Cincinnati, too.

I mean, this all over the league, you got.

Yeah.

Great, like name guys going down.

So like I said, too, with the, with the, uh, like with the Packers, the season, it's a long season.

It's going to be people going down here and there.

It's just really like who's going to be able to

stay the ship.

When people go down, next man up.

And if you got a good next man that's going to just be able to keep it going, that's the season.

It's a long season, 17 game, regular season.

Then you got to get to the playoffs.

All this stuff right now, just being able to win these close games, being able to figure your team out, being able to just get in the groove is what the beginning of the season is all about.

So I'm sad for the 49ers but all teams go through this all teams go through transition that's why you have to have your roster ready for you know i'm saying when people go down yeah yeah definitely um

bosa tours left

uh acl in 2020 and

today it's his right was that contact or non-contact did you did you did you

i i saw he he was he was he had somebody on him but i i didn't it didn't i didn't really get to see how much it was.

It didn't look non-contact.

Non-contact, somebody was passionate,

he was, he was rushing and he had like the tackle was on him.

Okay.

Okay.

I mean, that's a, that's a, that's a little, that's a little different.

What was his first one?

Was his first one non-contact?

I don't remember the first one.

It's a high probability when you like, uh, when you tear ligaments.

like ACLs, all that stuff, that if it's non-contact, it's like a, I want to say it's like a 70-something something percent chance that you will tear the other one non-contact because they say it's

a genetic weakness in your ligaments.

So that's one thing that, you know, I was told.

Okay.

So I hope it's hope it.

I hope it was contact, not non-contact.

Well, he already did both, you know.

So, I mean, you actually, Big Hamp,

Big Hamp tore is

ACL, non-contact.

Same thing.

He did it.

I think he did his other one in college.

And then a few years later, he ended up tearing this other one.

But

Big Hamp, Casey Hampton.

Oh, Casey Hampton.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So

that's something to be wary and cautious of.

I don't even know if they look and see

what

is going on with,

you know like

players if they go you know back that far and and check things out like bosas bosa's injury history is is wild 2015 you're seeing a year he had a partially torn right acl his final year in ohio state he had a core surgery second year in the league he got the left acl

he had a groin last year and then this year

you know he got a right ACL.

Like, yeah, man, maybe he's just injury prone.

I mean, that's that's a lot of that's a lot of injuries, man.

Yeah, I don't know.

Where is he working out at?

Like, what type of training are you doing?

I don't know.

I mean, like I said, it's a combination of everything on that.

I mean, he looks swole.

Oh, yeah.

He looks swole like he's working out, like you're training, but I want to make sure he's getting them things healed up right.

I don't know.

He's both a family.

Them dudes have been in the league.

It's a family of them dudes.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

For sure.

So Atlanta said, you know what, man?

We got to do something, man.

They fired the receiver's coach,

Ike

Hilliard.

Yeah, man.

Yeah, I got it.

I got to receive it.

So

what do you think this will?

I'm going to go with...

I don't know.

It could be two things.

Okay.

So I'm going to go with, it could be one of this.

It could be a case of, hey,

somebody got to go.

We just lost 30 to nothing to Carolina.

Okay.

Somebody got to go to save the rest of us.

Okay.

Either we go get rid of one or all of us go get fired.

So this, who underperforming?

Receivers?

Receivers underperforming.

Hey.

Coach, we're going to have to get you.

We're going to have to get you up out of here.

Hey, but the quarterback,

he went like 50%, like less than 200 yards, and he had like two picks.

Yeah, but we can't get rid of him and we can't get rid of his coach.

Well, we can't get rid of his coach.

Hey, he a rookie.

Can't get rid of.

This is the first, the quarterback coach is a rookie coach for the

pinks is the rookie quarterback.

Pinks is the rookie quarterback, but I'm saying who is.

Hey, you can't, you can't pull out his, his, his, his quarterback,

his coach,

in the first year.

That's going to look crazy you can't do that so oh it's the receiver like i said it so maybe it's the receiver or or

it could be a combination of the both

like some coaches

don't

like coach well and when i say coach well i mean like like develop their talent develop the talent that was be able to get the most out of them oh yes And I think you have some coaches that can do that extremely well and some coaches that can't.

And then you have a lot of coaches that can like come into a situation and keep an already developed core together that has been, you know, developed without diminishing what they have there because a lot of players aren't.

My question is this, though, Debo.

Do you, do you know who Ike Hillier is?

Yeah, he was

wide receiver for.

Yeah, he was a wide receiver.

He was nice.

So

I'm not going to speak up because, like, you know, not all play, not all ex-players are good coaches, but every ex-player that I ever had that was my coach was the best for me because they, not just because they had the experience, but they were able to do it.

I can't say that.

You can say that or can't.

I can't say that.

You can't say that.

Okay, no, I'm just saying from my experience, I had Cornell Lake.

And then I had Aaron Glenn.

Those two ex-players were really, really, really good coaches.

And I'm not like, I heard what you said too, because it could be.

I ain't gonna say, listen, I ain't gonna say no names.

I ain't gonna even say what team was.

Okay.

I ain't gonna say nothing.

But

we're doing linebacker drills, okay?

And the linebacker drill we're doing is wild, bro.

It's a rush to passer,

you know, sack strip yes

to like a a drop in coverage or something like dude it was it was wild right it was like something that you can't complete on one play after you do a strip sack then you drop back into coverage i don't dude listen i can't remember how bad it was but

and this was soon as listen listen

listen

yes yes yes so as soon as it happens man i look over at coach

i look over at my coach

and he look at me and he's like

james just please do the drill

i said coach i ain't doing this this ain't gonna never happen in the play i'm like i don't even know why you let this dude run drill

oh

so i've had that experience okay no no no

I feel like I had the experience too with not with no my only my coaches that played were good coaches I only had that experience with non-coaches that did drills that didn't make any sense.

But I, yeah.

Like everybody's trying to reinvent the wheel, dude.

I'm like, you ain't got to.

No.

The wall done stayed the same.

The rules may have changed, but like,

you know, just did the strip sack drill and then finish.

Hold up.

Hold up.

Hold up.

And maybe a scoop.

Strip sack to the scooping school.

Okay, listen.

Now is another one where you go over the bags, you punch down on like, you know, how you stop somebody from cutting you.

Yes.

You punch down on like three, four bags.

Yeah.

And you rip through,

rush the pass,

sat, recover, score.

If I hit four people, see now, Debo, see now, see me.

You can shuffle down and still get through.

Sack from

see where is everybody else at?

See no, Debo, Debo.

This is

that.

That's just, that's not realistic, but they're doing some realistic things that could happen in a play you know what i'm saying so that's not like one play you're gonna do all those things but you may do each separate thing why am i shuffling down and you're trying to cut me on a pass play multiple people

because they want to keep your hands down

so where the other where

i done ran through four five of them Yeah, no, you're right.

You should just do one.

So you're just saying you just need to do legitimate one time, one person there and then move on there's no reason you should like it's not now full cut block going to happen

and most of the time if you're doing if they're doing an immediate cut block it's a punch down they trying to get your hands down that means it's a quick pass and you out of there

not i'm not going down the line boom boom no no no yeah they this is just it's just you just not trying to do no unrealistic drills yes

yes so like i said that's why you know it could be a combination i mean and looking at um

just looking at hilliard's uh coaching you know he he has spent time as a receivers coach so i don't know exactly you know what it is i think the most he spent was like maybe four four or five years in uh washington and then you know it's a year here two years here a year here

And I think before this, he might have been out of it for a couple of years.

So

I don't know exactly what it is, but it's one of them.

Somebody got to go.

Hey, listen, for the betterment of the squad,

somebody got to go.

We either go all lose our jobs or

we're going to have to sacrifice one person.

For the betterment of the collective, someone got to go.

And it ain't me.

So it got to be somebody.

Right.

That's what I'm saying.

So, I mean, how much can a wide receiver coach be responsible for all the bad come that came through that game?

Not a whole lot, but you know, when you start trying to, it's the same thing when you're losing and you got the reporters trying to figure out what's going on.

Why are they losing?

They're a good team.

Why are they losing?

And now they see that, oh, so-and-so

has a problem with so-and-so, or this guy was late.

You know, they started, they started looking for anything.

And the crazy thing is, 99.9% of the time, it was already there.

They just weren't looking for it they didn't pay attention to it because it's nothing to look for when you're winning and everything's going good

now they they're not winning so they're gonna be able to pick and point at everything and i'm saying with that rookie quarterback too hopefully now you're looking at the quarterback coaching he said you got to develop him so hopefully he's getting if he's not getting better yeah the oc too oc man they they're that wide receiver coach man he only he doing with the oc what y'all trying to what what what are y'all what are the plays i'm just telling my receivers what we need to do from what I'm hearing from y'all.

So, I mean, we got to see what kind of then again, dude, if it's an execution thing, that means your receivers aren't executing it.

So, like,

why would you get rid of the coach when you're trying to get you some different receivers?

I don't, you know,

I don't know.

Falcons got to do better,

but you know what?

I got I'm gonna tell you who my defensive player.

I got him my defensive player of the week.

Uh-huh.

Who you got?

My defensive player of the week is

Hutchinson,

the defensive lineman from

Hutchinson.

I can understand that.

His effort, amazing.

He was getting after Lamar Jackson.

He wasn't just sacking him.

He was stopping the run.

Unlimited effort.

And then the punch out at the end of the game to force the fumble.

He's just...

unlimited effort, bro, getting after Lamar and getting after Derrick Henry.

So I'm going to go ahead and get after him.

He was on there Monday night.

All eyes on him.

Shout out, Hutchinson.

So

I'm going to have to go with somebody else.

I'm going to have to go with somebody that scored more points on defense than the team they were playing against did on offense.

And that is.

I know who you're going.

What's his last name?

What's Isaiah's last name?

What's his last name?

Rogers.

Yes, I'm going with Rogers.

My guy took one to the house, scooped another one up, and took it to the house by himself.

He was responsible for 12 points, bro.

They could have won with just that.

It would have been 10 to 12.

And look at me,

I'm picking the D-lineman and you picking the DB.

Listen, man, he went on head.

Points on the board, you can't.

You can't.

You can't do no better than points on the board.

You can't.

You can't.

It's nothing.

It's nothing out here, dude.

Like, you got to think about it.

Isaiah Rogers became the first player in NFL history to record a pick six, a fumble return for a touchdown,

and two forced fumbles in a single game.

Come on.

Dang.

And he did all that in the first half, bro.

Yeah, hunting.

You want to change yours?

Yeah, I mean, for sure.

He was better.

He was the defensive player.

Come on over here.

Yeah, I'm going to go.

We got a senses.

Nah, that was my bad.

That was my bad.

I got reminded about it too late.

I should have picked him.

It's good.

We in the census.

We got it going.

He deserves it, though.

That's for sure.

No question.

No question.

Just on the board.

He gave 12.

He scored 12.

He could have almost...

He could have beat the Packers by himself.

He could have beat Cincinnati by themselves.

He could have been Cincinnati and he could have beat the Packers.

This is true.

Young Bull went 2-0.

This is true.

He could have.

I see what you're saying.

I see what you, the other gang, I got you.

You know, I got you.

You lost me for a minute there.

I thought you were, I thought your CTE was kicking in.

No, no, no, no, no, Devo.

I tried to keep my head out of the nod.

I try and keep it low.

I try and keep it low too, but my teeth, my braces be having me think.

They be like, man,

he talked, he can't even pronounce words, man.

I think he done lost it.

You know what I'm saying?

No, man, it's your braces.

They be catching your look.

Yo,

yo, catching all that.

I had the whole thing up top at one point, and then I had it down the bottom.

It first started off just like on the right side to open up for it, too.

But you know what I wanted to say, too?

You know, we got to talk about a little bit before that.

We got to talk about a little bit of our college football shit, too.

Cause.

Man, stop, man.

You know, you know what I mean?

You know what?

I got to always bring up my Gators.

I'm going to talk about the Gators.

And they got to be more careful.

The Gators.

the gators y'all even got a football team anymore man right now we out there playing like the baby gators but we got to do better

what what what y'all

i i don't know what's going on i love

i love

florida i love the gators but we got to get back on track we got to get back on track legway what are we doing our office zero explosiveness listen y'all might not have enough uh

NIL, NLI.

What's that?

We got to all, we got to get a Gator fund and get the NIL bucket right.

And we got to start figuring it out.

We got to talk to some lums.

Oh, yeah.

And we're going to have to get it right.

Start right here with Joe.

I'm calling.

Yep.

Yep.

I know.

I know Pouncey.

I know Mage.

I know the boys.

They was down there at the game.

And that was not.

the display we was trying to give.

So Florida, we're going to have to get back on it.

But it's always, but it's always go gators.

It's always go gators.

Where's my, where's, where's my, where's my jerk?

I gotta, I gotta always go helmet or something around here.

Oh, that's not anywhere bad.

Uh,

I'm gonna talk about

always.

You put a gator on you, bro.

Oh, you gators.

So always go gators.

I'm gonna talk about my um

my school.

Oh,

I'm good.

Oh,

state university,

golden flashes.

Yeah, yeah.

Um,

I don't know when the game in the last like 20 something, though.

That's,

I mean, we ain't, we ain't got no, we ain't got no funds.

We ain't got no, and I ain't starting no funds.

I'm gonna be 100 with y'all.

You know, as soon as a dude get good, you know, you know, they come, they come snatch him.

You get a good one, they, you know, they come snatch him, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You lose them for a little bit of change, you know.

So, I mean,

I, um,

I don't, I don't know.

You ain't Debo, you funny.

You ain't donating, that's for sure.

Who?

I donated already, bro.

Oh, there we go.

Okay.

Jim.

They got, listen, they got the gym?

Jim is trash.

See, Debo?

Jim is trash.

It went to trash.

It used to have weights in it.

I think it got bands in it now.

It's hot boo-boo.

Okay.

Like.

Hey, and you know what I'm saying?

I'm going to send you something.

It's called the James Harrison something, something,

something.

James Harrison, something, something.

Back in.

I'm going to check it out.

Listen, take,

please,

if y'all ain't gonna put it back to what it used to be, man, it ain't nothing spectacular, but at least

just go ahead and just, I don't, it's, it's a bad situation over there, man.

It's a bad situation.

Like, whoever, like, they switching coaches, like,

like, you change your draws, man.

Oh, man, it's bad.

It's bad.

So I don't, I don't.

My bad, man look look both of our schools not doing the best right now yo they need to go ahead and take the james has the strength and conditioning center and and just please like do something pull my name off that thing man

it ain't no it ain't nothing to get strong in there with

we gotta what you want me to do okay we gotta throw some weights in there devo

I don't, I don't understand.

And on top of it, hey,

they spelled it wrong on the school school website, bro.

Kent State.

Come on, Ken State.

We got to do better for Debo, man.

We got to.

You got to do better for everybody.

Y'all know y'all had Jack Lambert there.

Jack Lambert, Kent State.

Wow.

You didn't know that, did you?

Nope.

Jack Lambert.

I knew you.

I knew the Edelman.

Edelman.

Cribb.

Gates.

Gates, Cribb.

Antonio Gates?

Yeah.

Come on.

He played basketball, though.

He ain't want to come out for the hoopers.

They don't even.

He's still with the Kestate.

Yeah, for sure, for sure.

Like,

I don't understand it, dude.

Anyway, man,

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