Deebo & Joe - REACTION to MNF: Tyreek Hill injured, Bengals get COOKED, Dolphins finally win

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welcome back to Debo and Joe.

I'm your host, James Debo,

and I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden.

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How you doing today, Joe?

I'm doing fine, Debo, but is that right?

Yeah, yeah, it's a snake.

It's a snake.

This snake,

it's a representation, man.

I want to kind of start the show off with a little

something.

So

the Bible makes it clear.

Money tells a story, and so does the company around it.

Evil money never walks alone.

It always brings evil people with it.

Proverbs says, one who runs with thieves.

becomes an accomplice in the greedy gathering packs plotting together to fill their homes homes with plunder.

Ill-gotten gains ties you to crooked company.

And in the end, that money destroys both wealth and the people who cling to it.

But righteous money has a different crowd.

The one who earns with integrity walks with the wise.

The one who gives generously attracts friends who bless and uplift.

Better a little with righteousness.

Scripture says that great riches within justice

good money draws people because it builds on

because it builds on justice generosity and the fear of the lord now

so

if you want to know where a man's money comes from Look at the people around him.

If

his company are liars cheaters and oppressors the money is staying with their sin

but if his circle is the wise the generous and the upright then the wealth testifies to the goodness of god evil money has evil people around it good money has good people around it

that is the goodness of the word so basically what i'm saying is evil money gathers evil company but righteous money walks with the wise, right?

Now,

I'm not talking about money here, but I'm not talking about money.

I'm talking about the company you keep.

So

where I'm going with that, Joe, is that

where are you going to be on Friday?

So Stillers fans, this is what I'm saying to you.

I think we have a serpent.

I think we have someone.

No, Debo, this pain denies where you go.

All of that good talk.

All of that two-way of the good word.

No, no.

Just tell me where you're going to be, Joe Friday, Joe.

I'm going to be doing the cast from good old London.

Oh, what?

I'm going out to London.

I'm going out to London because the Browns are playing the Vikings.

I'm going out there to support.

The Stillers just played

over there.

Why didn't

you said you go both ways?

I had some things going on at the house you know what i'm saying and i wasn't able to make that i wasn't able to make the trip same reason why what were

go ahead

joseph you're muted joseph

hold on my bad

why weren't you on why why why weren't you on ireland i had to make sure that i had to do the show but i didn't go any i didn't i didn't i didn't go okay to any other game for

team.

I woke up at my normal early time and watched my Stillers whoop on Minnesota.

So did I.

So did I.

I woke up bright and early, watched the Stillers win that 9.30 game, you know, and I will still be doing the cast out there in London, representing the Browns and watching the Steelers.

They're not playing against each other, so I'm going to be giving the Steelers that love, hoping they win.

They have a bye week.

So we won't even have to watch the Stillers.

There's no reason, you know what I'm saying?

They're chilling, they're off.

So why didn't you go to see the Stillers

over there?

I had some things that I had to handle at the house, you know what I'm saying?

Just schedule conflict of schedules.

I would have definitely been out there if I could.

You know, I know, shout out PZ.

He was out there.

We talked about golfing together out there.

So

you ever been over there?

You ever visited any places over there?

I've been to, I just went and played the old course.

I went out there last year.

So I did some golfing out there with a good crew from Pittsburgh.

Some of my good men, we did a trip out there, probably like 12 of us from my old country club,

Edgewood in Pittsburgh.

So, yeah, yeah.

So, I still keep the good ties out there in Pittsburgh.

Great people, great vibes.

Didn't go out to Ireland, but you know, I'm going out to London for the Browns, rapping.

You know what I'm saying?

I'm still, it is, you know, what it is.

Deep, I can't believe you put the God's word.

I was all in what you were going, talking about all money and good money, keeping good people.

We, we, we what's what with the we?

We are we we

are we we still let's have a bye, you know what I'm saying?

So we're gonna see what the browns are.

And like, you know, I can't believe you.

I'm just, I'm just checking.

I'm just

came with the good word this morning.

You came

always

can be can be used and, you know, related.

I was just checking because

it was just, you know, he was

just that was crazy too.

You came in with

me, we're you.

I thought we was better than that.

We're going to just go ahead and, you know, we're going to jump into this, to this Miami game.

You know what I'm saying, man?

We had.

It'd be your own people, man.

It'd be your own people, man.

So the Dolphins beat the Jets 27 to 21.

Game wasn't exactly as close as it did.

They kind of kept it competitive.

First drive, I think Miami, they get a field goal.

And then New York drives all the way down there.

And I believe it was Jones.

He fumbled on the gold line, bro.

Recovered by my young man, Mika Briggs.

Yeah, Mika, yeah, Mika got that thing.

And then Miami went 96 yards, bro, and converted on a fourth down that was a touchdown

to go ahead and finish that drive.

Then New York,

dude, New york gets going

and they get another

fumble miami recovers it they got lucky this time it was no points on that one

they had a lot of self-inflicted wounds

they had three turns and especially when you're the jets i'm not gonna lie justin fields he did good using his legs making some great passes but end of the day he fumbled the ball in the red zone territory they fumbled the ball going in right there uh the running back when he punched it out, and then on special teams, they turned the ball over too.

So, when you turn the ball over like that, you're not good enough to overcome those turnovers.

They still did good on the running game, they damn near ran for 200 yards.

You know what I'm saying?

Bryce Hall, Justin Fields, they did really good, you know what I'm saying, running using their legs.

Yeah, they kept it close.

I mean, you know,

halftime it was three to ten, but they opened the second half and dude, fumbles the kickoff return, you know, right there.

And now it's, you know, it's 17 to three

self-inflicted no question

like no question

new york went on ahead and the special teams they came through for him so they were able to go ahead and he broke one for about 40 45 yards on that scramble so it was still 17 to 10.

it was close right then and there

oh that play was crazy i thought I'm like, there's no way he's gonna, he's gonna make it all.

It was like Tecmobo.

You know how Tech Mobile used to do Tech Mobile Ran.

Yes.

yes.

Out of control, man.

And yeah, that looked like a Michael Vick run.

It's not too many quarterbacks that can do that.

Like Lamar, him, you know what I'm saying?

His athletic ability.

So that was, that was, that was good to put that on display.

Yeah.

And then, you know, Miami, uh, Tariqi ended up getting hurt, but in that same, you know, that same possession, then I was sorry, the

same, yeah, that same possession.

New York ended up committing, was it three penalties, two that were actually accepted.

It was one pass interference and an unnecessary roughness that gave them a first down.

And I believe they had stopped them on third, allowed them to score, go up 24 to 10.

The offense.

Do you want to get into that Tyreek Hill now?

Because that was a little, that was, that was egregious.

I think he,

you know, that's just one of them situations, dude, where you're trying to like stop yourself.

He was trying trying to stop himself from really falling.

And it just,

we don't exactly know how bad it is.

I believe he's had some surgery today.

They say it's a dislocated knee, right?

Yeah, but I think it's,

I don't know for sure, but yeah, I think it, yeah, yeah.

I think he said it was an ACL too.

Oh, is it?

Oh.

Yeah, I think it is, brother.

Oh, he got the ligaments too.

That's, that's bad, though.

Yeah, that's bad.

When I was looking at it, brother, It just was at the end of the day, you know how that is when you're out there playing those injuries and seeing your leg like that.

I've never had an injury where I've been able to like look at my leg and be in a disabled spot.

You know what I'm saying?

That could just be a lot of emotions, a lot of stuff going through your mind.

Like

it's shock.

You know what I'm saying?

It could probably put your body into shock.

You're not knowing what's going on.

So when I seen him going off, kind of like clapping, saying yes, he could be doing that for thank the Lord that I'm still alive.

You know what I'm saying?

It could be a lot worse.

My whole leg could have came off you know what i'm saying so um just a lot of emotions a lot of things just really kind of running through your head at that particular moment so just prayers out to him and you never want to see anybody out there because you never know kind of what they're going through what's going through their mind and if your leg to look down at it and see it i don't know i would i have a weak stomach i would have cleaned it

i would probably i would have passed right out

i did a i did a high ankle screen one time and i didn't want to look down down because

I thought my ankle was twisted the other way.

I'm like, yeah, I'm not looking down.

So I waited for him to get on the field and finally look down.

I'm like, yo, where it's like, no, it's straight.

Is it the right way?

It's like, yeah, it's good.

I'm like, no, it was, it was just a high ankle sprain.

It was a bad one, though.

I like, I had to wear a cash for like two weeks and then another, you know, whatever it was.

But to actually look down and see that, he grabbed that thing.

I'm like, yeah, I'm with you.

I'm not even looking.

Somebody going to have to tell me.

Oh, my God.

Somebody got to tell me something i'm ah yeah no question the jets got some real issues though like you know you got three turnovers to you know you can't you can't do nothing with three turnovers even though the jets outgame miami 400 to 300 something like that 190 yeah like you said 197 rushing 220 passing

like that was almost you know

miami's total offense you know what i'm saying

They even had more first downs, dude, 23 to 19.

They had a better third down percentage.

Like, it was 44% to 33.

But the penalties, dude, the penalties.

They only had two drives, I believe, where they didn't have, you know, a penalty on it.

And I believe one was a touchdown and the other ended up being a three and out.

A lot of that stuff,

you can't win like that.

Those self-inflicted wounds, like you said, gaining all those yards, getting down into the red zone, being able to run the ball in that manner and not being able to score points, being able to have two turnovers in the red zone.

Those are 14, those could be 14 points, you know what I'm saying, on the board.

You eliminated, you didn't get field goals out of it, you got nothing.

So you playing against a team where you're gaining yards, you're moving the ball.

Defense wasn't playing as, I mean, defense is playing better than they were because you got 400 yards against them.

They got 300 and some yards, but both defenses weren't playing too well.

But you got to convert and you got to score when you're in the red zone because that's and then when you don't and you turn the ball over, that's how you're going to lose those games.

Yeah, yeah, just issues.

At what point is this maybe a coaching thing?

I'm just, you know, you know, sometimes

what you allow in practice is what ends up, you know, happening in games.

Like teams that don't tackle well usually don't practice and tackle well.

Teams, you know, teams that get a lot of holding penalties, you know, offensive line, defense, whatever that may be, they, they get away with it in practice, you know what I'm saying?

Um, I think it's something, you know,

that has to be, you know, going on.

I mean, this is not an issue at one game.

This has been something that has been going on for the last four games.

So, you know, at what point do you start questioning, you know, is this something that is just being allowed?

And when you get into a game, you no longer, you know, now you're having to pay for it because it was maybe allowed at practice.

What do you think?

Yeah, I think

because it's fumbles, you know what I'm saying?

With this particular game, it was ball security.

It was a fumble on the kickoff return.

It was Justin Fields getting stripped of with a fumble.

And then it was the running back going into the end zone, diving in and getting fumbled.

So that's a ball security thing.

I think that's just like, like you said, I don't, they have to practice ball security.

Justin Fields has to know that he's not throwing throwing picks like that.

So that's a good situation, but just knowing when you get people around you, when you have guys running and stripping at the ball, we can't be losing the ball like that.

Same thing with the kickoff returner.

Same thing with the ball handler.

It's not really a, like an interception job.

It's really a ball security thing.

So I know what you're saying with coach, you got to coach that up.

You got to make sure I'm talking about dropping penalties.

I'm talking about the pre-snap, in-snap penalties.

I don't, the turnovers is something that, like you said, that's, that's going to, you know, that's something that you're going to have to do in the moment.

And you could do it at practice, but you can't do it to that level.

But you're talking about pre-snap.

You're talking about false starts.

You're talking about holdings you're talking about uh you know uh illegal form things like that that that yeah that's a coach those those those things those things are coaching things i was talking the turnovers right there that's just something that you know can't really be but the pre-snap penalties all of that yeah that that is a coaching thing if it's not if you're accepting you can't allow it to happen those dudes can't be playing um it seems like something that they have to make that an emphasis in practice because are they getting off are they getting are they get jumping off sides of practice you know know, I'm saying I'm not in their huddle, but I know what you're saying.

Like, they got to figure figure that out.

Yeah, for sure.

Something definitely has to be done.

So, the bongos, I mean, the bangles.

Um,

sorry, man, the bangles lost to the Broncos 28 to three.

The Bangles got

got beat like a red headstep match, man,

like

freshman.

They got work that that whole thing was that was not,

not cute, brother.

I think, um, brother, bang,

go, what you think, dude?

It was, hell, it was a blowout from the start, you know.

Yeah, they got a field goal on the first drive, which was, I believe, 65 yards of, you know, the total of 159 offense that they had.

And then Denver went on to score, was it, 28 unanswered?

Cincinnati only completed i think it was two third downs

stacking up penalties you know like squirrels store nuts bro

offense can't protect the quarterback they can't run the ball

on top of that you you put your quarterback in shotgun all night when you put him in shotgun all night and your offense can't block that gives me a half second more to have to determine that, oh, you're not even running the ball.

Now I get to pin my ears back

and just take off.

He's sacked, what, three times, pressured multiple times.

And

the quarterback you have right now is not the gunslinger that, you know, Burrow is.

He's not going to be able to just sit back there and pick somebody apart.

You know, you had on top of that.

The defense, they out there for 80 plays.

Offense only had 43 plays.

They couldn't convert nothing

you know the defense couldn't stop a nosebleed them boys gave up over 500 yards they let bow nicks get was it 320 326 two tugs he had well he did have a pick they still gave up 1856 rushing

and then the boy dobbins he he went for 101 on only 16 carries he over six yard a carry dude no pass rush Russ.

I think they only hit the quarterback one time.

Bro, it was

from the Broncos' perspective.

They look great.

Bo Nicks was out there.

He looked amazing.

Besides that pick that he threw when they were up 14 to three.

And I thought that if he would have just scored right there and made it a 21 to three, I think that was his only, that was his only big hiccup for me that he did the whole game.

Everything else, using his legs, creating on third down, throwing it to court and something.

The biggest thing for me, too, was right before half when he did.

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Throw that pick.

They came back and he threw that whole shot on to Sims, the 28 yard dot right in between the underneath corner and the overtop safety.

And then the next, and then on third and two, going in right before halftime with about 20 something seconds left, he threw that bang eight where it suddenly widened out.

And then he looked off the safety like a great quarterback does and then dropped it, drilled it right on the money for a touchdown going into halftime.

And I was like, wait a just answer from throwing the pick and coming back and throwing the touchdown he looked comfortable the running game was looking good uh cortland settling was going to work on my man for the bengals that was that corner number 29 he had a long day but they just looked like they were just they looked smooth

when you ain't got no pass rush you ain't you you you're getting a little resistance you know what i'm saying they're running the ball

you know when you you you can only you can only perform to who you're playing against you can't make that's not their bad that they're going against some dudes that aren't well he had a career today so the the the defense you know helped that you know it's when you just have your career day it's it's a little

you know we'll see how he proceeds going forward but i i i think the defense helped him a lot with the lack of being able to do anything to be honest it was it was good it was good but you you say it was good it was good broncos and bad bangles it could be both at the same time you know what i'm saying so i think that the like you said the the Bengals, terrible tackling,

like

them being able to just consistently create on, make, make plays on third downs.

But like you said, too, when your offense isn't helping you at all, when you have so many pre-snap, post-stap penalties, where there's just flags throwing all over the place, 13 flags for 101 yards, you're not, I mean, I mean, for a lot of, you're not going to win.

like that, especially when you can't create any sort of third downs or keeping the ball,

creating more drives.

So, I mean, then they had Jamar Chase and Higgins out there.

They couldn't get him the ball.

Joe Burrow.

You ain't got Joe Burrow right there, dude.

That's an issue.

That's a huge issue.

You know what I'm saying?

Especially everything is built around him.

And when you don't have that,

this is the type of performance you get.

But as you say, Denver did play.

So we go end up getting a chance to see that next week when Denver goes to Philly in Philly and we're we going to see what the defense and offense do then that'll give us a measuring uh you know a measuring stick of you know was it as bad bangles or as good denver good

yep yep always good to see because you know like you said they're going to be able to carry it into the next week and like you said going against a good team like the eagles when we see is that is that run game with jk dobbins gonna look like that is bone's gonna still be able to be as creative is cortland sutton gonna be able to get off like he was versus a good Philly defense?

You know what I'm saying?

Are they going to be able to like they didn't really go against an offense that week?

So, with them having 153 total yards, three points, let's see what they do against Philly.

Are they going to stop Saquon?

They're going to stop Jalen Hurts, you know what I'm saying?

AJ Brown, Devontae Smith.

It's going to be a way bigger test, you know what I'm saying, when they go against a real team.

So, I know what you're saying, but when they get into the stadium, let's see what they do versus oh, yeah, sure.

What do you think?

Uh, the Bengals should do you, you think they should, uh, depending on how long they're going to be without Burrow, if it's going to be an extended period, you think they need to find somebody to

play quarterback, try and pick something up before the trade deadline?

See if somebody will trade?

I mean,

if they want to do something, if they want to stay,

if they want to stay relevant and they want to try to continue to win games, because I don't think this.

for me in my opinion no i mean the bangles they they don't doesn't look good for them uh joe burrow is going to be i think with this toe if he's going to be out for extended period of time

maybe December, something like that.

Man, so yes, they're not going to win more enough games to be even in the playoff pitcher.

So I think they should rest up Joe Burrow.

Definitely try to, if they want to try to win games and even have a chance to bring him back this year, you got to get a better quarterback because that's not going to work what you got going on right now.

You're not running the ball well.

Your offensive line isn't getting any better.

So no matter who you bring in.

They probably going to get hit upside the head also.

So I don't think, I think the Mingles have a lot more problems than they have answers.

And if you're just trying to bring in another quarterback to try to salvage this season until Joe Burrow comes back, because in the long term, Joe Burrow doesn't need to come back if they're in three and 10, by the time he comes back, mathematically eliminated.

You're going to bring them back to get hit up again.

Then you work on getting that line right, hopefully, trying to get a run game, something like that.

But in this recent future, there's no answers of fixing the Bengals right now.

Yeah,

you got to correct the other issues before you put something in there as a fix.

It you got to have everything else fixed before you plug in something that you uh you believe can help you win because you got too many other you got too many other hoes

yeah exactly jim hardball said on sunday sunday night that he wouldn't comment on whether lamar

could have came back into the game or not So they gave him another chance, I guess, on Monday.

Harbaugh said there's no way he was going back in the game.

The injury precluded it.

It was no way he could go back in the game.

I know Lamar, I can assure you, he would have been, I can assure you, if he would not have been able to go back in the game under any circumstances.

What do you think?

You think he would have went back in?

I think he would have went back in if they was close.

I think they would, I think he would have went back in if they was close for sure.

I mean, the game, it means too much.

I don't know.

We'll see.

It depends if he played next week.

If he played next week, he could have went back in the game.

If he don't play next week, then he couldn't have went back into the game.

Because it's not one of those things where it's like, okay,

I could go back into the game, I can make it through,

or I couldn't go back into the game and then I'm down that next week too.

Then, yeah, that's a really couldn't get back into the game circumstance

where they didn't want to, you know, take a chance of making it worse because the way Lamar plays the game hamstring is not something he can you know he can go into a game with because he runs the ball a lot he uses his legs to you know make people miss and do fast and when you hit a gear on a you know a partially healed up hamstring that thing is go

pop even worse than it did the first time, dude.

You got to let them hamstrings fully heal because you don't want messing with it.

And you like you said letting it really go and that's one that's Lamar's strength.

That's his thing like the fear of him being able to take off on you him being that that that other weapon on the field because his arm obviously is amazing but Lamar's dual threat of him being able to take off on you if you playing man to man and the backs of the turn he could take it to the house So him being able to know like end of the day that hamstring I need to be at full strength running full speed and if I do come out there playing around with it I could be gone for extended period of time Yeah, it's nothing to to play with.

Yeah, for sure.

Hardball also took off on the Ravens' offensive approach and play calling.

On Lamar's interception, he said,

it wasn't a good call.

It wasn't a play where we put our guys in the right position in that situation.

I'm not happy with it at all.

None of us are.

They ran a double backer blitz inside where they were right in Lamar's face.

We had downfill routes with no check downs.

That kills the drive.

You're moving the ball right down the field.

So no, I don't like the play call

at all.

He went on to say that they asked him if the Chiefs, if they were prepared for the Chiefs blitz.

He said,

I don't think our approach was.

was he said i don't think our approach was good we didn't stick to the plan we had

we had an idea of how

we wanted to approach their defense, and we didn't stick to it.

And I'm not happy about it, and neither is anybody.

None of our coaches are happy about it, especially I'm talking about the coaches right now that's with us.

It was not a good job.

What is your reaction to hard ball statements right here?

What are you reading?

This one I'm trying to figure out.

Who,

so is he, is he taking blame for it?

Is he calling the plays or is he blaming the offensive coordinator?

That's why I want to ask, that's my question to you.

There ain't no question.

He said that the offensive approach and play calling, that means he's talking about the offensive coordinator.

The guy that is calling the offense, that is putting the plays in Lamar's ear, telling him what to do, giving them, you know, you're trying to get some type of groove going.

He's talking about him.

So, what he's saying is, he's throwing him under the bus.

He's saying, Listen, look, my coordinator is not giving us, putting us in the position, in the team, in position to win.

Those dudes were not prepared, ill-prepared.

What are you doing?

Is that what he's saying, or am I tripping?

No, you're not tripping.

What's the Ravens' record?

It's one and three, right?

I think so, yes.

Right now,

you're on a one and three Ravens team who is supposed to be in the top, you know, three, four teams in the league, this powerhouse.

And now

you

are one in three

quarter of the way through the season.

I am

reading this

as a head coach

who is trying to get it ready to save his job

as, you know what?

I had a problem with this.

Although I did hire you, I let you run your offense and call it the way you wanted to.

And I'm not happy with it right now.

And I want everybody to know I'm not happy with it.

So that if this shit goes all the way downhill, you will be my fall guy.

We don't care care that the defense is giving up anything

or everything, I should say.

We're going to go with

what he's seeing over here

and how he feels about it.

And this right here is a setup

for if this don't get turned around, the offense don't start looking like the offense, they're going to be the fall guy.

He, the old coordinator, is going to be the fall guy.

man that debo that's exactly we we we seeing the same thing that just happened like when things aren't going well they're supposed to be number one in the afc they're supposed to be leading they're supposed to be on hey now don't forget you just gave the old coordinator a new contract what was it february march um and but this is the part of that i'm saying too how when lamar jackson's numbers aren't aren't that bad you know what i'm saying this game was this game wasn't that good this game was the worst game that they've had on the offensive side of the ball.

Defense has been the main reason why they haven't been.

I'm trying to figure out, why would you come throw out your offensive coordinator like this when your defense has been playing list

like

league bad,

like historically bad, historically bad?

You know what I'm saying?

And then you're going to come out at the offensive coordinator.

You're definitely honest when he did make a couple of bad calls, you letting people know, put eyes on him, like making sure like this is not the way, like, no, you did not put our players in position to win.

That's definitely making a scapegoat but i'm like he's just setting up another scapegoat because you already got one if you want to really throw it to their defensive side like that's no no

that's a little harder i think that's a little harder for him maybe as he's being coach players coach is if i call out the defensive side it ain't about skiing it's about we getting missed tackles missed assignments we just getting pushed around ran through now you talking directly to the players to your yeah yeah,

individual players.

No.

Okay, okay.

Maybe for him,

it's easier for him to

get rid of an OC rather than lose the whole defense.

Because the defense, like as you said, like when,

what's my man Hamilton was saying, you can't put it on the coach, the defensive coach, because we're in the position.

We're just not making the plays.

We're not just communicating right.

But on the offensive side, when you're not making schemes the right way, but like the numbers are good, you can put it on the offensive coordinator.

Like, nah, he's just the plays and he just didn't have us in particular systems when we needed to he's picking and choosing okay i can see it i can see right

like

well you got a case where

the player already took the

the finger off of the d coordinator listen the defense works we're just not going out there and executing it right we're not being where we're supposed to be that's on us ain't nobody on offense said the play calling is great you know it's it's there's nothing wrong with it we just got to execute now

now

so it's a it's it's enough you know here and there that you know what

this ain't going good

offense ain't living up to what we think they should live up to because of the play calling not because of the people we got when he doing good he doing good

you know like you said the play play calling at the end of the the very first game you know with with with uh buffalo it did not

it did not equate to what they were doing beginning and like you said playing to not lose not playing to win not playing to stump they lights out put up 50 on them if you can you know he started he started playing conservative doing things that he didn't do to get to where he was at and it uh you know of course you got josh allen like i said but it allowed them the opportunity to come back and win that game.

No, for sure.

You're right now.

I mean, defense, like he said, if we know what we got on O, let's go.

Let's go.

Let's just be historically great when we do have Lamar, when we do have Derrick Hamer.

You should be able to scheme that up to make our offense top tier.

And if we're not, I'm going to blame that on you.

Defense right now, it's not the play calling.

Our individual players need to perform better.

And they know that.

They've said that.

It's not the coaches, not the scheme.

It's the players.

but i i see exactly what he's talking about right there where how harbor is trying to you know i'm saying put that on them but at the same time like you said i've seen we've seen where they need to play not to lose in the win and be able to try to stump people out instead of like slowing it down changing it up getting vanilla no run the scoreboard up you know what i'm saying when you can and there's been situations where they haven't they start playing a little different they don't know how to control a lead or not even control it extend the lead keep a lead be able to expand leads yeah definitely

Since you're going over there to

London, Patrick McQueen, while he was over there in Dublin, he said some interesting comments about Stillers fans at the Dublin game.

He talked about the environment, saying it was incredible.

It might get a little heat, but it was kind of different than being at home.

They were into the whole game.

Every single third down, we could hear them.

And

he's saying the fans he's saying y'all stillers fans don't get as hype as the Dublin fan stiller fans do

so

do we need to step up our game we definitely need to step up our game and be kind of quiet at them games of course they be playing renegade at the wrong time and everything else I understand that messes up your mojo um

but uh

what do you what do you take or what do you find interesting about these comments brother

uh

I think sometimes, you know,

when you go out of the country, I think a lot of teams, they're just very, very excited and they appreciate, you know, they don't get all of the games.

So it's like a Super Bowl.

You're not just getting Steelers fans.

You're getting a bunch of different, everybody's wearing different jerseys.

Everybody's just coming out there just to support the game of football.

And I think sometimes maybe in

some Steelers games, I mean, they could probably just get a little, a little comfortable, a little relaxed.

And I've seen some of these like just seasoned ticket holders in the regular, in the regular sections.

Have you seen the videos where people don't really like the fans standing up?

Well, I believe it's really just

comfortable.

They're just standing up

that they may actually have.

I'm not sure of this.

If someone knows, let me know.

I think they don't want you standing because you would be blocking the view of the person behind you.

I definitely heard that too.

Yeah.

So do you think is that a rule?

I don't know if it's a rule.

That's something that we would have to

check out.

That we had to look at.

Yeah, that's something we would have to look at.

Because I mean, because you know, this, I've never really been going to games like that, but I've always seen like I.

If people stand up in the crowd, it's kind of like if you stand up, you're blocking somebody else and then they kind of stand up.

But

over there, I think it's just a different environment.

Like everybody's hype and you're just standing up kind of the whole game.

You know what I'm saying?

Showing that you're kind of into it, cheering, being involved.

I think more of when you're watching this, it's just

more just like

against it.

But they say it's etiquette, you know, respect, you know, the other, you know,

consideration of other people around you, all that.

So it's no rules against it.

So Stiller fans, you can stand up at the game and cheer.

And if, you know, the person behind you tells you to sit down, you tell them to stand up so you can see.

And you won't have a problem.

Get into the game, stop sitting there like a, like a, like a, yeah, like a, like a lump.

Oh, my goodness, well, where are you?

Don't go in my shirt.

Oh, C Deepo, you got to get control of it.

He hot right now, so he moving.

Like, he's moving, moving, man.

He tripping.

Hey, how do you feel about that?

Hey, listen.

Do you think

he was saying he was lost in my house for six months

no

how

so my son opened the the cage door to show somebody he obviously didn't close it all the way right

yeah so i get the call snake gone kevin gone

i'm like what you mean he's gone he's like he ain't in there he left

I'm like, all right, just look around the house.

So when I get back home, man, I'm tossing the house up, man.

I'm looking under every couch i'm looking everywhere man and i'm sitting there and i'm like dude like he gonna die in the wall he gonna start stinking like you know i'm i'm thinking about that i done i done gave up i done gave up the search i done tossed up every couch everything dude i didn't i done cut the lining underneath the house upside down my couches to see if he in there you know what i'm saying Yeah, yeah, for sure.

So I can't find him.

He got a snake in the crib.

And I'm sitting there and I'm looking at the cage.

He got a snake cage over there.

And I'm looking, I'm like, yo, I need to get rid of this cage, you know, make some room, whatever.

I got a little reptile room.

I got a bearded dragon in there with him.

But but look, but this is what I'm trying to tell you.

When you didn't find the snake, you just thought the snake was gone in your house.

No, I thought,

I thought, I thought he had maybe went downstairs and got outside or something, you know, whatever it may be.

So

I done gave up searching for him, dude, and I'm sitting there

and I hear the, this is about six months later, dude, I'm sitting there and I hear the blinds like

wiggle.

I didn't know it was the blinds.

So I get up at like three,

between three and four o'clock, depending on the day.

And as I'm about to leave before I

go to the gym, I do all my Bible reading, everything else.

And I'm sitting there and I heard.

what I thought was paper hit the floor, right?

And I'm like, oh, that's crazy.

So I look into my, you know, I look into the reptile room, like, maybe some paper fell on the floor.

I don't pay no attention to it.

So I'm putting my shoes on and I'm going to walk out the door.

And I hear the blinds go.

I'm like,

oh my God.

I think that's Kevin.

Right.

So I walk over there.

I think that's

this dude is in the blinds like this.

bumping the blinds

and i'm like yo this is crazy this is

crazy, dude.

Brother, how often do you feed the snake?

How did it survive without getting no, does it have to eat?

Listen, I just fed him yesterday.

He ate four mice.

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So they can go months and I mean, maybe a year without eating, dude.

You know, my

ortho, my orthodontist I went to told me a story where, you know, he had somebody that lost one for almost nine months and they ended up lifting the bed up, cleaning in between the mattress and the box spring.

And he was laying there.

Still alive.

See, no, there's one thing about me, Debo.

I'm not a fan.

I can't do none of that.

I can't do snakes.

i can't do reptiles i can't do none of that i'm doing all that man i used to have a i used to have a 10 foot

well when i got rid of him he was almost 11 feet burmese python and the only reason i got rid of him is because i was a little nervous then i was like when i was in college and you know at 10 feet they got the ability to go ahead and tap you out so

Yeah,

he get the land right next to you, sizing you up.

Yeah, no,

I don't leave him off the cage.

I ain't crazy like that.

I ain't crazy.

No, I had clip locks on the cage and all that, dude.

Yeah,

no question.

I can't have him popping out on me like that.

Like,

listen, anyway, man, if you go to the game,

stand up.

If you want to sit down, sit on your couch at home.

We don't need you there.

We need some people that's going to be rowed and excited and making noise.

All right.

That's what I'm talking about.

I mean, that's what what i'm talking about i i if i mean it if you if it's if if you have some leg deficiency if you're the if you're if you if it's gonna be if you're

if you're older i can see you know what i'm saying respectful that's what i'm saying it's more of a like a respectful thing if we just gonna stand up because it's time to get loud and like we just trying to cheer then

don't just stand there you know what i'm saying for no reason just be to be standing there just it's a timeout you just standing up just all in people's way you know what i'm saying some of you we chilling we're chilling but like, just know that's what he's saying, like on third down, when you know when to turn up and you know when to be quiet, not when the offense is on third down, we're like, Yeah, let's go to that.

No, it's quiet time,

be quiet.

This is quiet.

Quarterback doing this, I want y'all to be quiet.

Now, when the defense is on the field, make all the noise you want, make all the noise, play all the renegades y'all want.

Yes, uh,

it's smart cheering,

it's smart noise, definitely.

We We got Austin Jenti.

He went on back.

He went on back to his stance.

He went on back to the Halloween stance.

Pete Carol loved it.

He loved it.

He said,

nope, that's not it.

So.

Why they call it the Halloween stance?

Stand there straight up, like Michael Myers.

You know, like how Michael Myers stand there and then

he run your ass down, you know when you done took off 150 yards and he just walking and get you through i don't know

time travel or something i don't know how he'd be getting to him dude i don't bro this one how do you how do you feel about it they said yo he went he went crazy

was it chip that told him not to do yeah dude it was it was chip kelly that that that told him not to do the stance

uh

i don't know i guess for me personally

i understand

where he's going with it.

You know,

Chip Kelly was the main person that, you know, advised him to, you know, change his stance.

You know, said it's a bent knee game.

You know, I understand where he's going with it.

And I understand the approach.

I tell my kids the same thing.

Like, why are you sitting there standing up?

Like, your knees need to be bent because that's one less move you got to make to take off.

So I understand that.

But for him, obviously, it's, it's not, uh, it's not what, you know, it's not what makes him comfortable.

Um, he's a guy that he's done that his whole life, his whole career.

I don't, you know, I don't see it being Chip Kelly, you know, trying to

take control and make guys do things that, you know, they, they don't want to do or don't like to do, or him just trying to be controlling of their situation.

i don't think it's it's over coaching i think it's the game like do you think it's a example of him you know being

over coaching players or or you know being

like everything has to be his way or no way

i think this one in particular is a little tough you know what i'm saying because him standing straight up like that if you were to look at like you want i always think about just just from coaching when you first started playing the game you were tall you know i'm saying like you said bent knee game like you don't like football position you know i'm saying you got to just like get down and bend and get ready to move because it kind of takes away one movement if he's already going to go from standing straight up to bending down to moving then that's a thing but i think on this i i understand what the coach is saying but i only look at it a little bit where when you get to the nfl by this time you've been doing something you know in a way that's your way that that's got you to be who you are and why you're here.

Once we're to this level, like if he's not blocking a person, if he's not getting his job done, then we make changes.

But let that man,

you know what I'm saying?

Like, you're not going to go change his, the way I press because this is the way I've been pressing.

I'm in the league.

You can show me a different technique, coach, but if my press is like, I'm comfortable, like, don't get me uncomfortable because now I'm in the league, I'm drafted, and you're telling me to do something different than the way that got me here.

Like, that's just my only thing.

Like, don't, if he's not effective and he's not doing like crazy, like not make, picking up blocks or not getting off, then there's something to be coached.

But let that man stand and let him go get the rock and do what he has to do on that part because now he's in the league.

He's comfortable.

Just don't make him uncomfortable.

And if he's, if he's comfortable there and being able to get the job done, then let that man cook.

You know what I'm saying?

No question about it.

That's like, you know, trying to change a dude's, you know, shot in the NBA once he goes pro.

Like you're trying to change his form, his shot, his comfort level.

You can't, you can't do that.

This is where he's comfortable at.

This is where he feels more powerful at.

You know, I can see, you know, if he went in doing it and he didn't have success, his first three games, he changed it up to what they wanted and he struggled getting it going.

He said, you know what?

I don't feel comfortable.

It's not really working for me.

Let me see how I feel, how I play when I get into the position that I'm used to playing in for the last, you know, umpteen years that I've been playing this game.

And he came through and he, dude, he ran that rock.

So, you know, I don't,

like I said, I see it as him initially chip just trying to, you know, make sure he was in a position like, okay, maybe if he's in this position, it would be even better.

But again,

you can't, you know, it's a little different when you're talking about changing the NBA player shot because that's it.

But, you know, a stance you're thinking from bent knees to straight up shouldn't change mud.

It may, it may make you more effective, you know.

I don't, you know.

You know, at it, James, you, you, I, I'm, uh, I'm uh, are you getting the job done?

You know what I'm saying?

Like, can you do the job?

I don't give a damn how you stand.

I don't give it what's going on.

If you're getting the job done, you're getting the job done.

That's all that matters.

So, respectfully, if you're, if you are teaching you football, you don't want kids.

It's like, that's just not a natural, like, always like, you know, just from little, it's bent knee.

So you kind of want to be be in a football position, being ready to go.

But when you talk about Ashton Gency, this man knows what he's playing, he knows he's in a

football game.

He's standing up about to get that pill.

And when he's toting it, he's not standing straight up.

He understands that.

So let that man cook.

I think if he's, if it's if it's a stance, you know what I mean?

Yeah, with Chip's way, he averaged, I think, 3.1 yards of carry on 47, 47 attempts.

But since changing his stance on Sunday, he went for a record 155, 139, 138, sorry, on the ground and three touchdowns, two receiving and one risk, and one rushing.

These braces be killing me, bro.

Yeah,

they be getting me, dude.

After the game, Genti said,

that's how I naturally feel good standing in the backfield.

So that's how I'm going to play.

Amen, Genty, you run, you stand just like that, straight up.

Straight up.

Yeah.

To be honest, dude,

know if I would have gave him three games, I might have gave him two and then been like, yo, this ain't, this ain't, this ain't this ain't this, baby.

This ain't I love it, though.

He's coachable, he's coachable.

He tried, he tried to coach his way, he listened, he did his thing, but now he's like, all right, coach, now I'm willing to go ahead and stand straight, straight up and hoop out.

I'm gonna give you 155 and three tugs, standing straight up, 155, three tugs, and I'm gonna give you a little something, a little something in the passing game.

Come on,

I don't,

I don't have a, yeah,

it's working, he can't say nothing now.

Um,

like, it is what it is, bro.

Hey, you know, who, who's your, uh, who's your, who's your uh, defensive player of the week, bro?

Oh, my goodness.

Who you got?

My defense MVP.

Probably got to say he's a hooper.

Oh, I got Kevin Bayard.

The safety

for the safety for the Chicago Bears.

My man had two picks versus Geno Smith in the first half.

He had seven tackles and a tackle for loss, but it's about the way that he had his picks.

They weren't just like he fell into the picks, like in the right place at the right time.

He read Geno Smith like a book twice, same route, deep daggers.

He's the middle field safety.

Just backing up, boom, playing Geno.

And like soon as he sees that he's breaking on the ball, hands catches the ball, makes great plays.

So it's not even just that some people you get picks because you're in the right place at the right time.

Oh, lucky he made great plays reading the quarterback, reading his eyes like a book.

Two great picks in the first half.

And I think those turnovers is what helped him

be able to win the game.

So shout out Kevin Bayer.

Kevin Byrd, shout out.

Yes,

good.

Everything good.

Play good.

Say good.

Hey, what they say, you

pay good.

Yes, if you play good, they pay good.

Debo, so look, who you have for your defensive MVP?

Did you have one?

I didn't have a defensive MVP, but I did have a defensive player.

And who you like?

You know,

you know,

I got like a whole team, though.

You know what I'm saying?

What you mean?

You got like a whole team of defensive players.

I'm just going to give it to the whole Stella defense.

Oh, I'm just going to give it to the whole Stella defense.

Give it to all of them.

They all.

Everybody, everybody.

Everybody look.

Kevin, stop tripping, bro.

This is what happened when he gets fooled

and he warm.

He want to move around a lot.

See, what I should have did.

That's too much for me.

Turn the heat off and then go get him because then he'll stay wrapped around my neck.

he won't want to move because the body heat you know what i'm saying you ain't got no pets of any kind joe

i used to have look when i was growing up i had dogs you know what i'm saying i raised them dogs and i have kids and they talk about they wanted a dog and that was going to make me raise another dog them little dudes weren't doing nothing so you know what i'm saying no more animals

um

i got

what's up man you you you didn't get a dog and then give it away did you joe

I mean, no, we look, I didn't get a dog.

I mean, yeah, the dog is

a great family.

It was a great family.

It's a great family.

Great family.

Joe, Joe,

I can't never just get a yes and no outchair, Joe.

I can't, I can't.

Yeah.

You that dude.

I'm not that dude, Debo, but my kids asked for the dog.

I already had a dog when I was younger.

I didn't feel like raising another dog and I was raising another dog.

Joe.

Love the dog and I didn't have enough time to suffer to be some things for your children.

Look at this.

No, sir.

No, sir.

You think I want?

Well, I didn't want a snake, but I got a snake.

I didn't, I definitely didn't want a bearded dragon, but I got a bearded dragon.

And now I'm the one washing her ass and clipping her toenails.

See, look, but look, see, this is what I'm going to do.

And this is my thing.

It's not the dog's fault.

I don't want to have to be, I'm going to give all of my attention to bringing my kids picking them up from school still i'm doing drop off pickup i love it do you know the joy and pleasure they would get from coming home to seeing the dog that you got them that they get to come home to enjoy the time with me we're going to have a blast do you know i built a i built yet last night debo i built a hellcat lego with joey 400 pieces hellcat lego last night

Hellcat Lego,

green and black, 400 piece lego.

Look how much time you could have saved if you just had that dog and said, Here, go walk the dog.

No, that's what I call quality time.

Quality time with my son.

That's what you call quality, but you can't have the quality time with your son and the dog, huh?

No, because he's gonna be pooping and then baby trying to bite up my shoes and smelling up my house.

Not in a bad way, but like, dog, this is my home.

I don't want my house to smell like dog.

I don't have to do it.

It ain't gotta smell like dog.

That's dirty people.

I don't have to walk in.

The dog shoot, the dog, that shit over there.

Well, now I gotta go walk the dog.

My son ain't gonna go walk the dog.

I told him, son, walk the dog.

And I come home and there's a little bit of dog poop in my closet

behind my shoes.

So I'm like, oh, whose dog is this?

Who's gonna be watching this dog?

It pooped in my closet.

See, they were so like, I ain't just, I'm like, now I got another whole kid walking around without a diaper on, pooping, biting up my shoes.

You don't, you don't kennel him

when you're gone.

You ain't even let him get out of being a puppy, it sounds like to me, Joe.

How long did you...

Oh, my God, Joe.

Come on.

How long did you keep the dog for you gave it away?

The dog is having a blast.

I get pictures of the dog.

I know what the dog is.

You ain't answered it.

How long did you keep the dog for you gave him away?

For like a year.

For a year.

Right, he wasn't even full of crime again.

For a year.

What kind of dog was it, Joe?

Joe.

Yes, it was a TK.

It was a little dog.

Oh, my God.

It was a pocket dog, and you could have carried him everywhere.

I don't need, I don't know, I don't know.

Debo, I'm not walking around with a lap dog.

I don't need a lap dog.

I don't want a lap dog.

I don't want a lap dog either.

That's the reason I won't get one.

See, I don't allow my dogs on my furniture.

I don't allow them in my bedroom.

Well, actually, he dying, so I kind of allow him in there now.

Yeah,

that's the only reason though but i don't allow dogs

in my bed or nothing like that now that's one reason i keep big dogs because i really believe that i may get soft and allow something that's you know

don't shed one of those hyper allergenic type dogs and i'll be done messed around and let him on my couch.

But also,

when I walk my dog, i don't want to feel like i gotta fight for him against another dog so i gotta keep yeah you want to know he could he can hold his own you know

i ain't i ain't never trying to fight for my dog

i had i had a rock waller growing up and i had a kane corso

so i know about the big dogs and i love those dogs those are my favorite dogs of my life those were great dogs so i'm not not against dogs at all you're against dogs that you got to take care of

i just i already took care of those dogs when I was a kid, and my kids aren't doing it.

They're making me do the same thing I did when I was a kid, and I'm cool now.

I already did that.

I already know my dogs.

I love my dogs, Joe.

Bappy, Bappy, love you, Bappy.

My rock wallet that I had when and my cane corso 30 years ago.

This,

yep, nope.

I had Bappy, yep, 30.

About 30, yep, I had Bappy from six to 12, and then I had sugar from about 13 to about not like about 21,

And they, and they passed away.

But those were great dogs.

Man, we got, we got, I guess, some super chats right here.

We got Richard Rubin donated two bucks and said, throw the snake at OJ.

I ain't throwing my snake.

We're going to kill him.

It'd be

killed my snake.

Then I really have to go ahead and catch a case.

It ain't even my snake.

You see how I say my snake?

It's actually my son's.

It's my snake now.

I ain't tripping.

It's my snake now.

That's what it's going to be, bro.

Listen here, Joe.

I want you to have

a good time, you know, over there

going to see the Stillers.

I mean, the Browns.

Sorry.

You didn't go see the Stillers.

I watched that game.

I was up Brighton there.

Okay.

I'm just saying you didn't travel there.

I mean, that shows.

You have more dedication there.

The same reason you didn't travel there.

We had other things.

Like I said, like I said, I didn't go to any game overseas that wasn't for anyone

and if

i could have went for the stillers and still made my commitments i would have joe now we want to thank you guys for joining us for the debo as joe

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Hi, we're Oriental Trading.

Nice to meet you.

We started out in 1932 in Omaha, Nebraska as a wholesale supplier to carnivals, and we've called Omaha home ever since.

More fun was calling, so first through catalogs and later through the internet, we expanded our products to include thousands of affordable party supplies, toys and games, crafts, crafts, teaching supplies, holiday decorations, bulk offerings, and more, all while keeping prices low so you can celebrate more.

And also, our customers love us.

Visit OrientalTrading.com, a Berkshire Hathaway company, and see what we're all about.

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