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But first, Ocho, Joe Flacco.

Yes, he will start again.

But not for the Cleveland Browns, for your Cincinnati Bingles.

He will start Sunday at Green Bay.

Bingles head coach Zach Taylor announced.

Cincinnati successfully completed a rare intro division trade Tuesday.

They sent a 2026 fifth-round draft pick to the Browns in exchange for Flacco and a 2026 sixth-round draft pick.

This is how rare it's in.

I think in this century, only once, twice has it happened.

The New England Patriots traded Drew Bledsoe to the Buffalo Bills.

The Philadelphia Eagles traded Donovan McNabb to the Washington.

They were not the commanders at the time.

You know what they were, but he got traded intra-division.

So only three times as a quarterback that I can think of a trade like this going down.

Let's run down.

Let's run down what happened.

Joe Flacco was traded.

Ocho's guy

wasn't being able to,

Jake Browning was not being able to hold up to it because what was supposed to happen, your backup is supposed to be able to keep you afloat until your starter comes back.

That's what a backup is supposed to do.

That didn't happen.

So the Cincinnati Bingles like, look, we've got a lot of money invested in Chase and Higgins, and we gave $14 more million dollars to Trey Hendrickson.

So we need to try to maximize this.

We can't just give up on the season because our quarterback is not fulfilling his obligation, which is to keep us afloat to if and when Joe, excuse me, Joe Burrow came back.

Doesn't look like that was happening.

And so they made the move.

So Cleveland sent Joe Flacco in a 2026 sixth round draft pick and returns the Bengals send them a 2026 fifth round draft pick.

We're getting it right for you guys right now, how Jake Browning is taking his demotion from being the starter to now being the backup in Cincinnati.

Are you nervous?

Yeah, I'm trying to respond the right way.

Obviously, I'm pissed.

And if I wasn't pissed, then I shouldn't be in this locker room.

And it's important to me.

And, you know, I'm aware of the role I played in the offensive struggles over the last few weeks.

And, you know, but I'm also not shouldering the entire

situation.

And, you know, I went through yesterday, watched my throws,

tried to come up with some stuff that I want to work on.

And just doing that.

The thing a quarterback's supposed to do is say, look, it's on me.

I did not play.

Don't say I'm not going to shoulder all of the blame.

We know all the blame is not on you.

But in that moment, when you're in front of the camera as the leader of that offense, you're like, look, that's on me.

I didn't play well enough to get the job done.

So I understand why the Bengal made that decision.

If and when my time comes back up, I'll be more prepared.

And I promise you, Beng fans, this organization, my teammates, I won't let you down.

Take off, OJo.

All right, listen, obviously, most of the time in that situation as a quarterback, being the face, being that Joe Burrow is absent, you have to take onus.

You have to take all that on your shoulders because you are the quarterback, because much is expected of you once you are at that position and you are the one who handles the ball the most outside everyone else.

With that being said,

you look at our team and where we are right now.

We're two and three.

We still have time to be able to salvage the season.

I think them continuing to stick with Jake Browning based on the last two performances that we've seen, it would have been malpracticed by the coaches.

I think Zach Taylor might be on the hot seat.

Listen, it's not funny because it's a serious matter.

This is not a laughing matter.

For us, the fans are impatient.

I'm impatient.

I think upstairs, they're also impatient because they've invested money in that offensive line.

They invested money in Joe Burrow.

They invested money in T and Jamar Chase and other, especially offensively in general.

And they want to see a return on that investment.

Correct.

Joe Burrows down.

Joe Burrows down.

Next man up.

The next man up is not playing well at all.

So we're two and three right now.

What do you want to do?

We want to get someone else who is a veteran presence that has won a Super Bowl.

Maybe they can come in and steer the ship to keep it from sinking.

Similar to like the Titanic.

We don't want to hit an iceberg.

So can Joe Flacco come in and steer the ship and dodge a few icebergs?

Now we might sink a little bit, but we don't want to just go all all the way goddamn under.

We're going to see what can happen.

It all starts with, number one, we have a gunslinger at the quarterback position that has a hell of an arm, but he's not mobile.

No, he's not.

No.

Jake Browning was mobile, and he was running for his life.

Yes.

Joe Flacco ain't getting away from me.

My offensive line, if you guys do see this, I beg of you, I implore you to raise your level of play for us offensively to have any success moving forward starting right now this week against that Packers defense

Gary

oh Wyatt oh my god my bangles offensive line we need to set the tone we need we we need to set the tone all five of you Orlando Brown come on baby you got to come to the party brother mims you got to come to the party right guard left guard tear carris we got to come to the party

As we go, as the offensive line goes, our team goes.

The game of football is one up front.

It's one in the trenches.

And for us to continue to continue to compete, not only in the AFC North, but the NFL in general for the rest of the season, we have to win up front.

That's what it starts with.

If we win up front, everything else becomes easy offensively.

I can tell

looking at the chat that there are not a lot of leaders out there because they're looking to obfuscate blame.

If you go look, just look at the quarterbacks and how they talk.

Jalen Hurts, watch out when they lose a game, how he talks.

With Brady and Manning and all these quarterbacks lose, look how they talk.

It's on them.

You don't talk about, I don't shoulder all the blame.

You said it's on me.

I need to play better and I will.

I understand why the organization did what they did because I wasn't getting the job done.

Yes, sir.

If and when I get another opportunity.

Joe, the only reason he's on the roster is that when Joe Burrow got hurt last time, he did a well enough job to say, you know what?

We got a backup.

If Joe goes down for three to four weeks, we got a guy that can hold it in the road for us.

Yeah.

He will cut down.

We have a self-driving car.

I've been seeing a lot of self-driving cars lately.

I'm like, hold on.

I saw the car driving around, Ocho.

I'm looking at him and said, I said, hold up, wait a minute.

Ain't nobody driving.

Right, right, right.

So I pulled up to the thing and stopped and somebody got out.

I said,

I heard people talk about it, Ocho, but that's my first time seeing one.

You never saw it, right?

Right.

So that's what, that's what Jake Browning was.

He was a self-driving car.

Like, man, Joe out, Jake got this.

We saw him against Jacksonville.

You remember that Thursday night game, Ocho, against Jacksonville?

Oh, yeah.

He played well.

That's what gave you the confidence to say what you were saying because you had seen him in moments like this.

Yes.

Rise to the occasion, play extremely well.

I don't know what happened because here's the thing ocho

expectations are the number one killer yeah of dreams and hopes and aspirations because see it's easy and i tell guys all the time i say you know what the easiest thing i ever did was make the pro bowl because nobody was expecting it now

guess what happens when they build a game plan around you and the defense build a game plan to stop you.

Wait, hold on, stay right there because I know you for the cook.

Hold on now.

hold on because let me tell you something i got got my i got my pen and pad now i know you for the cook go ahead now so that's what happens ocho so you see what happened expectations

jake brownie had immense expectations why ocho because the cincinnati bingles have immense expectations

even though joe burrows down they believe man we have enough offensively to to right this ship until joe gets back we got chase we got the best receive in football.

We believe we got another top 15 receiving football.

We got a guy that can run the ball.

There ain't no reason for us to be scoring three points, 10 points, be down 34 to 3 going into the fourth quarter with the offensive weapons that we got.

Right.

So now the expectations, and you feel that living up.

See, Ocho, it was easy.

Your kids, see, your kids got expectations you never had.

Your dad, your dad, Ocho Cinco?

Yeah.

The Pro Bowler, the one that's on Nightcap?

Yeah.

Now they got expectations you didn't have to deal with.

Your mom, the people like, they might say, uh, uh, oh, you hurricane

Paul Lee, Paul, uh, Paul Letterson.

But now you put so much expectations on your kids because see, only people in the neighborhood knew your, knew your mom, knew your grandma.

You're a worldwide commodity.

They see that last name.

They say, hold on.

Shit Neil.

What's your relationship to Ocho?

That's my dad.

That's your dad?

Now,

what you play?

You play what you do.

You do something, what you do in sports.

Right, right.

What you want to be when you grow up?

Now, you see, Jake Brown had those expectations with that offense.

He was supposed, he wasn't supposed to be Joe Burrow.

He was just supposed to be that self-driving car to keep it in the road.

Just don't crash.

That's all you got to do, son.

I don't even need you to win this race.

Just get the car around the track and don't crash.

That's a good one.

Keep it in first gear.

See, I told you it was for the cook.

Because, see, I already know what's going to happen when you get to four.

God, you can't get it right.

You're going to either burn the clutch out or you're going to script the gear.

What you going to do, Ocho?

What are you going to do?

Hold on, man.

Hold on.

I don't need you to win the race.

I just need you to get the car around the track.

But that's a bar.

Get it around the track.

That's a bar.

you don't even understand you don't even understand what you just did

let me write this down hold on now well you cooking what god damn boy you need to be a pastor hey i don't jake i don't need jake you think we need you to be 15 and two right

get us the 10 can you can you get us the 11 can you keep it can you get us to 10 and seven get us to 10 and 7

10 and 7 might be might be something might be something we can look at yeah

The Texans one and four.

The Titans one and four.

Okay, they got two teams in that division are playing really well.

You got the AFC South, you got the Jags, and you got the Colts.

They cutting up.

They cutting up.

They cutting up.

It's funny.

Two of the teams that are always three and four are now one and two,

battling with a chance to win that division in the AFC South.

Well, obviously,

let me take that back because when Peyton Manning was there, they dominated the AFC South.

For sure, absolutely.

Let me just say it, as of recent, it hasn't been like that.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

Basically, since Andrew Luck left,

it hadn't been like that.

Hey, listen, I'm excited.

You think about what we are too as a Bengal fan?

I'm sure we have some Bengo fans in the chat and just fans of football in the chat in general.

If you think about us and Whoopi R right now, we at the bottom, huh?

We at the bottom.

There's nowhere else.

There's no other place we can go but up from this point on.

Yeah.

Based on what we saw last week, there's only one place we can go.

We got Flacco in there.

I'm optimistic.

I'm optimistic.

What choice do you have ocho right and then and then a lot of people you got some people obviously here some bagel fans oh why we go get joe flacco there were no viable options they talk about well why didn't we get anybody who could run why we didn't get anybody mobile who's out there that is mobile call amazon and see if they can take you a quarterback

exactly this ain't this ain't madness is real life this is real life what we need is not like quarterbacks or like like goddamn apple tree you just go pick one you want to replace the next one that is one of the reasons reasons why it's so difficult to not only find a quarterback but find a transcending generational talent like a joe burrow you can't replace it no you can't replace lamar jackson if he's injured as you can see with the ravens struggling you can't replace a goddamn josh allen or patrick mahomes or justin herbert you can

but can we get can we get a carson went can he do what carson went to the minnesota vikings until jj mccarthy comes back?

Because he's making it hard on Kevin O'Connell to put J.J.

McCarthy ass back in the ball game, considering how well he's actually playing since J.J.

McCarthy's been out.

More touchdowns, fewer interceptions.

That's what it is.

Now, look, in this situation, you're not going to make it difficult for them not to put Joe Burrow ass back in there.

He's making far too much money, and he's a far superior quarterback to what you are.

But with that being said,

bro, you got to.

This is how bad is this is how bad Jake Browning is.

His QBR is is actually higher than joe flacco

but when you desperate on your hey somebody say man look if one aspirin

if if two aspirin kill clear uh clean uh uh will clear your headache you'll you won't have a headache in say an hour

well

And that's what Jerry Kraus, Jerry Reinsdorf asked Michael Jordan.

But it's a true analogy.

You know, one aspirin, take two aspirins,

pain should

subside in a couple of hours well if i take 10

it's probably gonna kill you and and he asked mike would you take 10 he said well how bad is my headache

a desperate person will do a desperate thing desperate teams do desperate things this was a desperate move because the actuality the quarterback that you had starting is actually playing better than the quarterback you're replacing him with But let you see it, when you get desperate, Ojo, when you get desperate, you make desperate decisions.

You don't think clearly.

You don't see clearly.

All I know is that my guy isn't playing well.

Well, let's grab that guy.

You do realize that guy got benched also.

Yes.

I can see if you got, hey, I want to trade for your starter.

No, you traded for a guy that got benched.

Can I say something?

Yes.

We traded for a guy that got benched, obviously.

But the guy that got benched that's coming to the Bengals has a much better supporting cast around him right now.

Now,

again, the one issue I did say, because

despite coming here to a much better supporting cast, if that front four or that front five, what it is, five, don't do what they need to do

and be a wall for two seconds.

Give me a wall for two seconds.

That's all I need.

Give me two.

If you can give me two, we can do something with one and five.

Well, you better, you better keep Flacco in the shotgun because it's going to take him longer than three to get this drop.

Back pedal.

That's fine.

That's That's fine.

We can put it back there in the shotgun.

So we can already process.

So we can already process.

He can see what's in front of him right away.

And it doesn't take him that much long to get that ball out.

And you know one thing about Flacco, boy, he got an arm on him.

Oh, he can throw it now.

He can still make all the throws.

Now

he's going to throw Chase and Higgins by three.

Now he's going to throw the other team by two.

Now it's just a matter of whether they're going to catch him or not.

Because he's going to give everybody, he's an equal opportunity employer.

He believes in DEI, diversity, equity, inclusion.

So he going to diversify touchdowns and interceptions.

He gonna make it equality and he going to include the defense in what the hell he doing.

So I'm just letting y'all know,

Bingo fans, you are, listen, you remember him when he was at the Ravens.

You remember him when he was at Cleveland.

You already know.

And you just got a glimpse of him earlier this year.

So you know who and what he is.

So if you think you're going to get 2012 playoff flacco,

That is

hey.

He was never ever able to replicate.

He could never really put put a regular season together like he could those playoff runs.

Oh, Joe, he had some of the great playoff runs.

Hey, crazy work in the playoffs.

Crazy work.

But again, you think about what he had offensively with the Ravens, even back then with that playoff run, even with that

run.

Hell, I could just, honestly, I can honestly say throughout the entirety of his career, he ain't never had nothing like he got working with Ravens.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

He had a better offensive line, but he didn't have, you know,

I'm trying to think, who was his running back back then?

I don't even remember who his running back was.

I know Anquan Boulder was one of the receivers.

27.

27.

27.

Ray Rice?

Yes, I believe so.

Okay.

I believe so, yeah.

But I think the thing is, Ocho, he's going to need time to throw.

Like you said, he doesn't have mobility.

He's not a guy that you can move.

I mean, are you going to move the pocket with him?

You can't zone read with him.

I mean, you're limited.

Basically, hey, Ocho, he's a dropback.

He's a prototypical 70s, 80s drop back quarterback.

That's what he is.

He's not like these these quarterbacks that we have today.

All the quarterbacks they are slightly mobile, some more than mobile, others, but oh, Joe, he is what he is.

And you

yeah, I mean, listen, even though Joe Burrow ain't Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow ain't goddamn Josh Allen, but his ability to manipulate the pocket and feel pressure and being able to escape it and make throws down the field is second to none.

He's really good at escaping the pocket despite not being the considered dual threat that those quarterbacks I just named are.

Listen, I'm hoping we we do well in the onus, it all comes down to the offensive line.

Yeah.

As they go, the better they play, the better we play offensively.

I think they're going to try to, you know, you go in the draft and you try to draft an offensive lineman.

If somebody comes available, you know, Ocho in free agency, you get somebody to come to your team, you have to overpay because you're asking this man to uproot where he's been the last three, four, five years, six years, seven years, where he's gotten comfortable.

He's established himself in the community.

If he has a wife, his wife is interested in the community.

We got kids, they got friends, and they've been in school.

So you're going to have to overpay to get one of those guys or an offensive tackle or a guard or a center to come join your team.

So you're going to have to overpay to get one of those guys.

And then, you know, you go into draft and you try to find the best offensive lineman because you're going to be drafting pretty high up if this thing doesn't get turned around, Ocho.

Unfortunately, that's that's, you know, you might end up being a top 10.

And I don't know, like I said, I haven't seen any projections just yet, but there might be a situation where you have to go in and take a lineman in the top 10.

Now, we know, look, Anthony Moonos is the best offensive lineman that they've had.

Willie, I know, hey, I know Big Willie.

Big Willie.

He from my home state, went to Auburn.

But

you guys need an offensive line bad, don't you?

Yeah, we do.

We do.

I'm just hoping those young bulls, those young bulls that we do have, especially those that have gotten paid,

they've been paid a nice ransom.

I'm hoping they can show up

and pay dividends, you know, and play like the money that they've received so far.

I'm excited for them.

Obviously, getting Joe Burrow, despite where we are right now, we're still two and three.

The season is salvageable.

I know what Joe can do, but the only way to allow Joe to cook, the only way he can be that chef, the head chef, is he needs a little time.

If he get a little time on, you give Joe any time, boy, he is surgical with that ball.

That's for any of you that in the chat that no football.

Even though he can't move, he got an arm on him.

Yes.

He got two of the best, he got, he got the best, maybe arguably, depending on who you ask, the best duel to throw to.

So I'm excited.

I'm optimistic.

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Kevin Stefanski was non-committal on whether rookie Shadura Sanders or practice squad Bailey Zappi would be the team's backup quarterback in the aftermath of trading Joe Flacco to the Bengals.

Stefanski said he would

let the week play out and make the decision later when asked about QB2 role.

Stefanski also would not say if the team would sign Zappy to the active roster ahead of Sunday's game so that one of the backups would serve as the inactive emergency quarterback.

Oh, Joe, what are we doing?

It's already been reported that Bailey Zappi was taking

a lot of the practice squad snaps.

Yeah.

Listen, Kevin Stefanski is really enjoying this moment.

Kevin Stefan is making the Browns organization basically Jerry Springer.

He's making it basically Maury Povich when Maury Povich does the goddamn DNA test

and the girl or the girl gets up screaming and they run around with the camera.

Yeah, yeah.

That's exactly what he's making it.

He's making a mockery of the situation and enjoying it.

He's enjoying it.

Just announced the goddamn quarterback, who quarterback number two.

If Bailey Zap, you've been taking the practice graphs knowing that Shador, Joe Flack, I'm gone.

If Shador was already number three and goddamn Dylan Gabriel goes to number one and Joe Flacco going, then that makes goddamn Shadur number two.

Why are we playing these goddamn mind games?

Like, what do you, what, what are we doing?

But my thing was, Ocho, if he was, let's just say for the sake of argument, Joe Flacco started.

Okay.

When Joe Flacco was there, Joe Flacco was one.

Bailey Zappi was two.

Excuse me.

Dylan Gabriel was two.

Shadur was three.

But the report said Bailey Zappi was getting the practice squad.

They signed him off somebody else's team and put him on their practice squad.

He comes in or taking reps that Shadur should be getting.

So with that being said, I understood the assignment.

Ain't no way Dylan Graeber is going to be taking all those reps and somehow come game come this regular season.

Shadur Sanders going to pole vault in front of him.

So if Bailey Zappy is taking those reps, practice squad reps, Ocho, what's the likelihood?

Now, I'm not saying it can't happen, but what's the likelihood?

Hey.

I don't know what they're doing.

I don't know.

I'm not so sure Cleveland know what they're doing.

Maybe they're waiting on Deshaun to come back.

I don't know.

It says he's been out there.

He's been throwing.

And I don't know, Ocho.

But I just know, look,

they've made

a mockery of this.

We've talked about Cleveland more in the first six weeks of this year than we have at any point in time.

And it's not all good.

But

I really don't know what to make of this.

It's

we're going to let it play out.

What?

I'm trying to, what you going to let play out?

I can see if this was a training camp battle, Ocho.

Yeah,

and let it play out.

I'm trying to figure out what can someone do in a week of practice, Ocho, that's going to change your mind from where you stand right now to move like, oh, well, he had a great week of practice.

Nothing.

Whoop-de-doo.

Nothing at all.

Again, that's why I said they're making a mockery of the situation.

That's all.

What's going on, you got built this little mini Jim.

It's not a, it's.

They're asking him, they're asking Shador, what do you, you know, what do you,

what do you mean?

As that's Dylan Gabriel.

You ask him, what do you think about, I'm not playing.

Ask Dylan Gabriel, what does he think about Joe Flacco being traded?

Why are you asking me?

I'm the backup to the backup that just got started.

See, they're always trying to put a microphone because they're always trying to get him to slip up they're always trying to catch him off his guard don't you they try to they they they always trying they they don't ask they don't ask any other quarterback they don't ask the third string or they don't ask the practice squad guy what do you think about somebody getting traded but somehow the microphone always seemed to find shadour they're hoping he mess up they hope he has a proverbial slip you see that's why he's not starting you see he needs to keep his mouth closed you see this is why he

well he he is a news cycle huh it's the last name in general they haven't had somebody this polarizing that's not even in that's not even in an important role as of yet they never had anybody like this before they haven't and they don't even know how to handle the situation in general most of the time in a situation like this when you have something as polarizing a polarizing figure like that you you do everything you can to stay away from it But no, they're engaging with it in purpose to keep the Cleveland Browns in the news cycle.

No different than the the goddamn Dallas Cowboys.

Right.

No damn different.

Man, if I'm to do, I'd say, look, man, when I'm starting, when Coach Stefanski tell me I'm starting, then I'll talk to you guys.

What other backup quarterback they talking to?

You can't do that, though, but you understand the rules, though.

You know, you understand the rules.

But I'm trying to figure out, oh,

I'm trying to think.

They're not asking Jameis Winston no questions.

They're not asking Russ any questions.

Now, all the questions are the Jackson Dart.

Art and Carney, yeah, right, right.

So my only thing is, okay, so why do you continuously ask a backup that's not playing?

Why are you continuously asking?

Why are you continuously asking them questions?

What do you hope to get from him?

I can tell you what they're hoping.

Sounds like I know what they're hoping also.

Hey,

they hoping, like when you go to the Army, like when you go to the Marines, like when you go to the Navy, they're trying to break you in the beginning to see if you are the one.

Are you built for this?

Mentally.

That's all.

They waiting on him to snap, huh?

They waiting on him to snap.

I'm telling you, he has to understand it.

I can see the play.

I can see the play all the way.

I can see the play way before it happened, all the way before it started.

How can you not see it if you understand the game and the game that they're playing?

I can see it as clear as day.

Your owner coming out and saying some of the things he said.

He got training camp.

Oh, I see what this is.

Okay, now I got to play the game.

I see what y'all trying to do.

Right.

You got to play the game.

Now you, you're in their structured environment.

You got to play by their rules.

Yeah.

You're right.

Listen,

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I got my toe in the water, but my feet ain't wet just as of yet.

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Anna!

Hey, ladies and gentlemen, we got a very special guest joining us.

We got the world champion in the heptathalon, which signifies the greatest woman heptathlete in the world.

The world.

She won gold in Tokyo.

She won silver in Budapest.

She won bronze in Eugene, a Florida Gator alum.

Here she is, Anna Hall.

Anna, how are you?

Hello.

I'm good.

How are you?

I'm good.

Let's start with this.

I saw a thing a year, maybe a year ago, maybe it was leading up to the Olympics, where Jackie Joyner, who happens to be the greatest hept athlete ever created, back-to-back gold medals in 88, 92, won the silver in 84.

She even won the gold medal in the long jumping soul, and then won bronze, bronze in Barcelona and

Atlanta.

When you sit down and talk to her, what did she tell you that gave you the confidence to say, you know what?

I can be an Olympic champion.

I can be a world champion.

Yeah, I think she's spoken like so much into me, which I'm so thankful for.

I actually talked to her today.

Very close.

But really, from the first time I met her, she was always just like, no, I see it in you.

Like, I believe in you and I know you can do this.

And she started telling me that back in 2022 when I was still on the team at the University of Florida, actually.

So for her to say that when I was so young and I feel like I didn't see it in myself yet

really made a difference.

And then now along the way, she'll like, like, she was texting me in between events in Tokyo, and she knows, she knows the standards like I have for myself.

So, yes,

even when some of them weren't what I wanted, she was like, Keep your head up, like, you've got this, just let it go.

And

it means so much because I know she's been there.

Like, I know she knows exactly what I'm feeling in those situations when we're down under the stadium trying to regroup.

So,

you, she, um, that world record, she said that in Seoul, uh, 72-91, if I'm not mistaken, she was the first woman to

generate 7,000 points in the help tapalon.

You reached that mark.

I know she's your mentor.

I know she's your role model, but you're like, yeah, I kind of, I kind of, you know, 7,300 sound real nice.

That does sound nice.

I mean, 7,300 is a ways away from just 7,000.

And I'm just like slowly trying to reel her in.

But I think the better I get, the more I realize I'm like, she put that record so far out there.

Yes.

When you think about it, that like nobody's been within 200 points of it.

Like that's insane.

I would argue maybe it's like one of the hardest, maybe if not the hardest record in all of track and fields.

I think the world athletic rankings would agree with me.

So

it's very, very motivating, but I'm like, okay, it's going to take like.

perfect conditions, perfect training, literally everything I could possibly do correct over the next few years to chase that down.

You might have to sit personal best in everything because like I said, she won the gold medal medal in the long jump.

So that gets, she can run 22 seconds for 200 meters.

She could run in the 12s for the hurdles.

So she would, so you, I mean, it might take a personal in every of

this, Anna, in order for you to eclipse that record because she was on that day.

And that day, like you said, perfect conditions.

She had trained.

Bobby had peaked her at the right time because she had just gotten married to Bobby a couple years earlier because she was just Jackie Jordan in 84 in LA.

And then when she comes to Seoul in 88, she was favored to win in 84.

And then the last event, she got nipped.

But it's going to take perfect conditions.

It's going to take you at your absolute apex.

Yes.

And you have to hit every mark.

Yeah, exactly.

Something I was super focused on even this year, though, was like raising my like perfect score, which people say, like, obviously, you're probably not actually going to do seven PRs.

But people keep a record of like, what are your PRs add up to?

And so finally, this is the first year my PRs actually do.

I think it's like 73.03.

And so I'm like,

I need to bump that up to like 74 to give yourself some wiggle room.

Give yourself some wiggle room for margin for error.

Because like you said, the likelihood of you PR in seven events over two days.

It's like,

we're asking an awful lot of that body.

Yes, exactly.

One of the questions I want to I want to ask, obviously, when it comes to some of the goals that you've already, you already want and those that you haven't achieved yet, how do you keep from keeping that the main thing, obviously?

because when you have something that you focus on, you focus on that one goal and you want to break a record so bad, most of the time you end up pressing.

And when you end up pressing, obviously you're not really running as free as you should.

How do you, how do you balance both of wanting to achieve breaking a record without pressing and just running your race?

Yeah, yeah.

It's definitely a hard balance.

I think when I've chased marks like that, like even when I was first chasing down like 7,000 points, the first time I was close, I missed it like by 12 points and I was like pressing pressing for it so hard.

And so

fortunately right now, honestly, with her record being what it is, I'm, it's not like I'm expecting to get it tomorrow.

I know this is gonna be, it's gonna take a full body of work and it's something, you know, maybe we'll aim for for the LA 2028 Olympics would be like the perfect storybook place to ever do it.

But I know it's not like when I step on the track tomorrow, I'm putting the pressure on myself to get it.

And having the injuries that I've had in my career, I think I've learned not to let people rush me.

Like, I would love to do a world record for you all as much as you guys would love to see it.

I would love to do it, but

they don't just happen like that.

And I'm only 24, which in track years is not very old.

So I'm just trying to be patient with myself and make sure that I'm looking long-term at my full development.

Yeah, because it's a lot of strain on your body.

And Jackie dealt with a lot of hamstring issues.

If you've noticed, I remember watching her, she would always have that hamstring taped up because you got to jump, you got to run, you got to throw.

So it's just so much and you're pushing yourself to maximum capacity.

And even though you're not necessarily trying to win the race, although you would like to win, you're going against the standard, which

you already have set.

And so that's asking an awful lot.

I say that to transition to this.

What is your strongest event?

What's your weakest event?

What are you trying to like, if I, if I can just get my weakest, you know, three quarters of what my strongest is, I think that gives me an excellent opportunity as well.

Yeah, yeah i think i would say my strongest event i feel like i have to say the 800 since i um broke like the heptaphalon vest in it um so probably the 800 and um i would say my weakest event is definitely the long jump um people everybody everybody it's not a secret everyone knows that i feel like most people are holding their breath when i get to the long jump um i have injured myself on a long jump board before so i definitely have a lot of like it's a block so you got something in your head yes exactly um

and it's something that on paper, I should be really good at because I'm relatively fast in track.

And then I jump is one of my best events as well.

So you would think, but it's kind of telling you guys.

So that's definitely the big one where I have a lot of room to grow because even to my own PR, I jumped like 60 centimeters less, which is a lot at worlds than my own personal best.

And I think I even have room to grow on top of that.

So that's where I see most of those points coming from.

Yeah.

Were you a heptathlete?

Were you a heptathlete in high school?

I mean, what made you decide to focus?

Because, you know, we didn't have that.

So, you know, you ran, you could only run three solo events and you could run the two relays.

So you could only compete in five events.

So

I guess they had heptathletes and decatholites coming along when you were in high school.

Yeah.

So I actually, I did the heptathon in club track.

And then in high school track, we had a role.

It was like four events.

You could enter of anything.

So I'd usually run like one or two relays.

sometimes the long hurdles high jump I was good at long jump then so long jump then

so

really just whatever the team needed but when I was first starting track I really loved the 800 and the 1500 and high jump and they like don't go together at all and no

um I actually remember I told my dad like I want to be the first person to go to the Olympics and the 1500 and the high jump and he like of course laughed in my face um and was like this doesn't really really work like that like i love that you're dreaming big but like let's focus and so since he had done the decathlon he was like why don't you try this um and put me in one and as soon as i did one i knew that that was definitely what i wanted to do

hey you know what as as a former track athlete myself and i'm thinking about the tedious process and what it takes to even get at the level you're at being elite where track it it takes up most of your life.

What do you like to do outside of track?

You know, being that track is everything you're always asked about, everything you talk about.

Where's your other sense of peace where you can just exhale and be like, okay, this is what I love.

This is what I'm passionate about.

This is what I'm enthusiastic about when I'm

able to get away from it.

Yeah.

Honestly, I don't get much time away training for all seven events.

It's like I basically signed up for seven times the work and the same, working for the same medal, same goal.

But when I do get away from track the main thing for me honestly is my family and my friends i have three sisters so um any time or weekends that i can steal with them is really how i feel like i turn my brain off and then um getting up so i'm in my offseason right now so i'm up visiting my boyfriend um that's definitely a way i can like turn my brain off spend time with my dog i don't have many hobbies besides track honestly which something i'm going to work on um I'm trying to become a better chef maybe this offseason, starting with things I don't usually make.

we're starting not in the best place but um i was like one week every week i'm gonna make something i've never made before and then um kind of just pick up new hobbies like that who you who are you gonna test it out on this boyfriend uh if if you want to you want to you want to tell the name uh yeah yes you can know um darius darius slayton is my boyfriend and so wait my my brother new york giant darius yes yeah okay okay okay

which i'm sure so is he is he is he the uh the guinea pig that this new thing that you try every week?

You're like, hey, honey, look what I made for you.

Yeah, I was like, we're one weekend and I went safe and

it's decent, but he will be brutally honest with me, which I appreciate.

He will always tell it to me straight.

So I know I'm going to come with my A-game and look up maybe the simplest recipes and like the easiest not to mess up.

So what do you like cooking?

You like cooking breakfast food?

You like cooking, I mean, are you a brunch type of a lady?

Are you, you, I mean, you

shrimp scampy or you like, you know, chicken parm?

Are you, I mean, what, what, what, what, what's Anna Hall.

So if somebody said, you know what, Anna, I want you to make me your favorite dish tonight.

What you, what you cooking?

Um, my favorite dish is definitely breakfast.

I think I do a good breakfast.

Um,

that's my favorite meal.

Um, yeah, my favorite meal of the day, I could eat it for, I eat it for dinner sometimes.

Yes, yes, I make like a basically like an egg scramble bowl with like mashed up hash browns, sausage chicken sausage peppers onions spinach you could eat

like all in the bowl um i eat that for breakfast like every day before training so i forgot you you doing seven events yes you could eat that that that ain't nothing you probably could eat two of those no eating enough is a struggle honestly that's like one of my biggest off-track battles so right so let me ask you let me ask you this um what's a what's a training session like are you doing all seven events in one day or are you picking days hey i'm gonna work on this one two events today and then tuesday i work on another two events and then x y and z like that or how are you doing it um i usually do three events in a day and a lift so um

the running joke at our group is that they call me nine to five because they're like you're at the track from nine to five every day but um i usually do like an example monday would be hurdles and then i would shop put and then take a little break maybe like 30 40 minutes for lunch, come back and high jump.

And then I probably get to the weight room around like four, get them the weights at like 5.30.

And so that started at 10.

So pretty much going from like 10 to 5.30.

It just takes a lot, a lot of time to learn all that technique.

You've gotten, you've gotten better at the shot.

I saw you in the shot.

I was like, okay, okay.

I see.

I see the improvement.

Thank you.

I was proud of that one.

That used to be a weakness for sure.

I maybe would have named that before I named Long Jump like a few years ago.

So I was super proud of that.

And the Europeans are like such good throwers.

I was like, and you should be too because of your body type, how long you are.

Yes.

You should be able to launch the shot because I'm looking at your body type and you look at them.

They throw, I'm like, hold on.

How you?

Yeah.

You shouldn't be able to throw it.

I mean, it looked like they throwing it like it's a BB.

Yeah, exactly.

My first like U20 Worlds, I was like, there is no way this, like, I'm the same size as this girl.

Like, I just tell myself, like, why are you too small?

Like, and I was like, I'm the same size as this girl in her shop.

It's going two meters farther than mine.

So I was like, we have to catch up.

The Europeans have typically just start technical events before us.

So they have a little bit of a jump start.

But I'm happy I was able to catch up and pass most of the girls that I needed to.

Because, you know, most, like you said, like the throws and the jumps, the speed events, the Americans, you know, the 200, the hurdles, you know, things that, you know, the things that require speed.

But man, when you look at stuff that that's a lot of technique i'm like i'm gonna be looking i'll be looking at them like how you do that yeah yeah it is it is crazy because the stereotype is that like we're more we're faster we're more powerful and then they're just efficient um with how they work and their form and all of that and um

actually which i feel like i can it's not her but her one of the coaches of my rivals like when i first came on the scene They were like, oh, there's an American heptathlete.

Like, we haven't had

a lot in a while.

And he was like, oh, well, she's just fast.

Like, of course, typical of the Americans, but like, she has no technique.

I remember that.

Like, two years ago, I was like, I'm going to work on my shot foot and my javelin.

So definitely I had a chip on my shoulder there.

Right.

So what?

How do you fuel?

So for a training session.

How do you, so you eat the bowl.

So you got scrambled eggs, you got hash, you got sausage, you got peppers.

Okay.

Now you go to the track.

So you probably, probably, I mean, at the weight you're at the work you're expending, the calories that you're expending, you probably can eat about 3,000 calories a day.

Yeah, probably.

I mean, I don't count calories, but I would bet that that's close to what I'm eating.

Um, yeah, absolutely.

You say, Okay, I get a break, you, you, you try, you eat breakfast.

How soon after you eat breakfast do you head to the track?

You give yourself an hour for it to digest?

Um, no, I sure

I wake up as late as I can, but

I let it digest in the warm-up.

I'll be fine.

But

I have a protein shake usually after my first event.

And then when I break, I break for lunch.

And so I'll eat like something with meat.

I don't count calories.

I count protein.

So I'm trying to get like 100, 120 grams a day, which for someone my size is a lot.

That's absolutely.

That's it's that's damn near that's damn near a

cow a pound.

Yeah,

a lot.

I weigh a lot more than 120 pounds, but no, but I'm saying it's almost, but I'm saying, you know,

but if you think about it,

100 grams of protein, 120 grams of protein, that's a lot of cat.

And then when you throw in, I mean, maybe rice or, you know, some type of leafy vegetable, kale, you know, things like that.

I mean,

you getting a lot.

So now, okay, you go back to the track, you wind down.

What's dinner?

It really depends.

I feel like I usually, I like steak a lot.

I eat a lot of steak.

So like a chipotle bowl.

Okay.

If I'm being lazy or I cook sometimes, I'll make like crab cakes and like a pasta dish,

something hearty like that.

And then I usually have.

You taking that cat of time to cook, Emma?

Sometimes

the day.

And then,

but I want to cook more.

So that's my, I'm trying to get better at it.

And then.

um before bed i usually make myself like a greek yogurt bowl um just to like get my last protein calories in,

which yeah, typically has been a struggle for me, but we got it dialed in this year.

So now I have my

regimen.

So

do you have a nutritionist?

Is everything always on the healthy side?

Do you have any cheap meals like McDonald's?

Like I love to consume or is everything always, it has to be predicated towards.

what you do.

I honestly feel like my mom did a really good job when we were growing up.

I like healthy food because that's what I grew up on.

But my coaches and my nutritionists all the time are like eat something dirty, like

go have the pizza, have the burger, whatever.

So they're always telling, reminding me of that.

So dinner sometimes will be something like that.

But really the thing is I have a sweet tooth.

So I try to keep my main meals clean.

So then I'm like, okay, cookies.

Usually by the time I've eaten all of that food, I'm not that hungry for a giant sweet treat.

But I won't tell myself no if I won't like if I'm before bed I want ice cream or I want a little cookie or something like I pretty much never spoke no to that But that's the thing that people get confused Anna is that you don't realize how hard it is to consume a healthy diet when you eat chicken you eat chicken fish or you eat lean cuts of protein and you eat leafy vegetables and you eat brown rice or white rice or whatever to try to get to the allotment that you are it takes a lot I mean you just get get sometimes, I mean, when I was trying to consume 4,000 calories a day, but it was healthy, bro, I just, I just got to the point.

I'm tired of chewing.

I'm just like, nah, bro, I'm good.

No, exactly.

And that's honestly where offseason, I was like, I lose muscles so fast just because I'm like, I don't have to force myself to eat anymore.

So I won't.

And I start, I restart our fall training like 10 pounds lighter.

And my coaches are like, all right, let's go.

Yeah.

Anna, thank you for joining us.

Congratulations on the uh

the world championship gold medal we got the ultimate you obviously you're going to compete in that next year correct yes i'm going to try for they don't have the multi which is a little bit rude but um i'm going to compete in probably the high jump or the four in a hurdles i'll run on the circuit to qualify okay okay look at that's what that's that's what jacket

so i'm gonna do my best to qualify and make it there that would be that would be unbelievable because there are not very there are not very many women or athletes in that point, the Catholics, that can go into an open event and be competitive, which I do believe you could be in the 400 hurdles.

I do believe you could be that because I've seen you run.

Now, you have the endurance because you're graded 800.

So you have the strength to run.

The question is, you know, that lactic acid build up about the 300 mark.

Yes, yes, no.

Those girls are so good at it.

And so I'm excited to give it like, hopefully, a better effort than I have in the past because usually I just run them on a whim.

But I really want to focus on it a little bit more next year.

What else?

Well, congratulations.

I know things are not going well for the Jags, but tell him to keep his head up, stay healthy.

And yes, when you come back and when you win the ultimate goal, when you come back and you do something special, come back and join us and tell us about it, please.

Okay, we'll do.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Thank you for joining us.

Anna Hall, world champion, helped athlete.

Thank you, Anna.

Oh, Joe, we got breaking news.

Another major trade between the Jags and the Browns.

Jaguars get cornerback Greg Newsome and jets 2026 sixth round picks from the brown browns get tyson campbell the eagles 2026 seventh round picks from the jags the trade partners from the night of the 2025 draft now pull off another midseason trade hey listen honk that that's that that's a good try that's a good trade now i don't understand why they for the jags yeah the jags going for it Oh, yeah, listen, especially for the Jags.

And this is the thing I would get ready to say.

Greg Newsome is a phenomenal, honk.

For sure.

Greg Newsome ain't no slouch.

You know, we understand what Denzel Ward is on the other side, but when they try to go to Greg Newsome's side, but that young boy can play some ball.

So this is a win for the Jags.

And with great understanding on why they did it, it's because, oh, we finna push all our chips to the front.

We pushing all our chips to the front because we really believe we have a chance right now with the way Trevor Lawrence is playing.

Yep.

That's respectable.

And if you're a Jaguars fan, I commend ownership.

I commend your GM and I commend your goddamn head coach.

They done pushed all their chips on the table.

We going in.

Hey, Unc, the chat, funny as hell, Uncle What happened?

They just been going in on you.

They going in on me.

Tell me I look like Debo.

I look like a Mexican with this damn flannel on.

What they going on me for?

What I do?

Go ahead.

What I do, Ocho.

They killing me.

What they say I do?

Hold on, chat.

What I do?

I was just asking questions.

Damn.

I can't ask no questions.

It ain't funny, boy.

Look,

I know you guys think,

but here's the real.

When it comes to track and field, I don't have a research team.

I'm old enough to remember.

Y'all, I'm 57.

So I go all the way back.

I remember the 84 Olympics.

I remember Seoul.

I remember Barcelona.

I remember Atlanta.

I remember Athens.

What y'all want me to do?

I remember Sydney was in 2000.

Athens was a four.

Beijing was eight.

London was 12.

Rio was 16, 21.

I remember what y'all want me to do.

I remember the world championships when they came out.

I'm sorry that y'all can't remember your way home.

That's my fault.

I've told you, if you know Shannon Sharp, if you watch me at any point in time, I told people my favorite sport is track and field.

Yes, I love football football and I know the history of football.

I know the history of basketball, but I love track and field.

It's I playing around the track and field.

I mean, if I didn't really have to talk about football, I'd go to the gym.

But when track and field on, I ain't going nowhere.

It's the only sports that I watch with the sound.

No other sport will I watch with the sound.

And to for them to take their time out to come on nightcap, what other platform other than my boy Justin Gatlin and his partner that give track and field athletes the platform like we do?

Okay, well, yeah, you're right, you're right about that.

Hey, you know what?

I'm sorry that you know, I asked questions that I think the chat would want to hear.

What do you eat?

What are your training sessions like?

X, Y, and Z.

Yes.

So I'm, I'm just, I'm confused at what y'all think I'm supposed to do, like, like stutter or go through it?

Yes, there are no notes on here with Anna Hall.

I know who she is.

I know she's a Florida alum.

I know she's from Colorado.

I mean,

yeah.

Y'all.

Don't worry about it.

Because they still killing me.

They told me I look like Jody from baby boy.

Man, people weird.

I'll be like,

I'm not supposed to ask any questions.

Like, I'm supposed to be like,

what do you, what do you like?

No,

I know the history.

I can't wait for us to have Ryan Krauser on so I can talk to him about the shot.

The greatest, the greatest shot putter ever.

Anna was talking about

Jackie's record that she said in Soul 7291 seems unbreakable.

That woman shot putter, USSR, ain't nobody breaking that one.

No.

No.

No.

No.

And you know what's funny?

It's the same way you are about track and field.

One of the one sporting, one of the one sporting.

You like that about soccer?

Oh my God.

Boy, soccer come on.

My phone on do not disturb.

On Saturdays and Sundays, I'm mad.

I fly to London in the morning.

My flight at five o'clock.

I'm mad that I'm going to London and everybody on goddamn international break.

Everybody on international break.

So that would have been the perfect time for me to catch a goddamn game.

I can sneak and go catch a game.

Right.

Everybody going.

Ocho, does this mean we'll see Travis full-time on offense?

Greg Newsom was the number 26 pick in the 2021 NFL draft.

Tyson Campbell was picked 33 in that same draft, just seven picks apart.

You know what?

I'm curious what they're going to do because they have a phenomenal nigga in Jordan Lewis, right?

I'm not sure who's on the other side, but you know, Greg News is coming in on one side, and

he's going to be that guy.

That guy that can do it.

I still think they know Travis Hunter wants to continue to contribute on defense.

I think he'll continue to have those packages.

They're going to find ways to

fit him in there at some point.

But what we saw offensively, he's too dynamic, huh?

They have to find ways to getting the ball on offense.

He's too dynamic.

You put the ball in the area, anywhere in the vicinity, he's going to make that play, especially don't jump balls that are

where he can showcase his athleticism.

Yeah, they become 80-20 with somebody like that.

Yeah, so I mean, listen, he's too dynamic, you know, and showing flashes of brilliance, in which we saw at Colorado on both sides of the ball.

So I hope they allow him to continue to doing this thing on both sides,

giving them a healthy, a healthy count on both sides of the ball.

We're going to be effective and efficient,

but they don't overload him.

And

he's able to play at his best on both sides.

And that's what it comes down to, because

they need a special player

on one side of the ball or other.

It doesn't work for them if he's average on both sides of the ball, Ocho.

He has to be dynamic on one or the other.

Right.

Because that's why you traded up, Ocho.

That's why you gave up what you gave up to get him.

Because if you gave up what you get him and you just got an average player, that doesn't make sense to me.

So let him be dynamic.

Let him be dynamic.

And then you, like you said, bring him in on a package.

Me personally, Ocho, I still think he's better at defense.

I think his instincts, his ball skills are just second to none.

I know you like him because of the jump ball, but right now it's just athleticism.

Now, once he learns the route tree, I give a prime example.

Tyreek.

Remember when Tyreek first came in, he was a gadget guy?

And then all of a sudden, Tyreek learned the route tree.

Tyreek has played played his way into a hall of famer yeah absolutely travis travis hunter has that kind of ability he just got to get better at running the route right now they're only running on spots and jump balls yeah if i could get if i could trav i know you're gonna see this if i can get with you in the offseason yeah i don't need

to trav i need you for two months two months we working four days a week all we all i need is an hour an hour your time for four weeks i know you already have your training i'm not trying to step on nobody toes i'm talking about running routes yeah

I'm talking about giving the illusion of doing something that you're really not at full speed.

Oh, my goodness, brother, what I could do with you.

Oh, my goodness, what I could do with you.

We take you up on that, Ocho.

And listen, huh?

Now, you know, that's my specialty now.

I do.

Man,

hey, Trav, come on, holler at your boy in the offseason.

I don't need much time.

I will day.

That's it.

Route running.

I wish they would come up there and play press.

Maybe come on up here if you want to.