Nightcap Hour 1: Unc PISSED OFF at Broncos WIN over Raiders + Unc in TEAERS reacting to Cowboys’ Marshawn Kneeland’s Passing + Ocho HEARTBROKEN over Antonio Brown

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Speaker 9 I ain't gonna gloat, Ocho.

Speaker 9 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to another episode of Nightcap.
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Speaker 9 Oh, Cho, in a game that said offensive football back 50, 60, 70 years, the Broncos beat the Raiders in a snooze fence by the score of 10-7. Denver extends its winning streak to seven games.

Speaker 9 The Broncos moved to 8-2. Their next game is against the Chiefs at home.

Speaker 9 Bo Nicks was 16 of 28, 150, one touchdowns, two interceptions. Geno Smith was 16 of 26, 143, one interception.

Speaker 9 It was bad. It was just bad football all around.
Thank you, Denver's defense. I don't understand.
I'm looking at the Broncos. I don't listen.
There's enough blame to go around, Ocho.

Speaker 9 I don't know what Sean Payton was calling tonight.

Speaker 9 I don't know you got the win at your back and you won't throw it down the field. You get the wind in your face, you say, okay, both throw it down the field.

Speaker 9 I don't get you block a punt and you go backwards. You get a pick and you go backwards.
It was just bad offensive football. And

Speaker 9 I just remember being in games like this when I was in Denver and we were really good, Ocho. And it was almost like we had lost the game.

Speaker 9 It was almost like a funeral because you have a certain level of expectations that you expect to play to. Yes.
And Michael, and you hear me say this all the time.

Speaker 9 You never accept anything in a win that you wouldn't in a loss.

Speaker 9 We won the game, but you cannot be happy with the way we played in winning the game.

Speaker 9 You play any team that you think you're a playoff team? Okay, maybe they go to the playoffs. You're not winning playing that type of offensive football.
Yeah,

Speaker 9 you just beat a bad team. The Raiders are bad.

Speaker 10 Yes. They're bad, don't you?

Speaker 9 I mean, there's no way around it. I'm not going to sugarcoat it.
The Raiders are a bad bad team.

Speaker 10 Yes.

Speaker 9 Go ahead.

Speaker 10 But listen, the Raiders are 2-8.

Speaker 10 Offensively, they couldn't get anything going. If I'm not mistaken, they had 12 or 13

Speaker 10 drives, a series.

Speaker 10 But they went three and out, if I'm not mistaken. Obviously, Geno, with the offense playing as bad as they were, they can't overcome interceptions.
The hell, the goddamn Broncos defense,

Speaker 10 they are so goddamn good.

Speaker 10 I'm not saying they're the 2,000 Ravens. I'm not saying the Legion of Boom or they're not maybe not the no-fly zone of the Broncos season where they went to the Super Bowl, but they are goddamn good.

Speaker 10 They're very good. And minus, no, P2 is not even playing right now.
I think he's going for the next three weeks. And they were phenomenal.
They were phenomenal. And that's why they were in the game.

Speaker 10 And for the Raiders, you have to understand games like this. This is why kickers are so important, Unk.
Even though it was a snooze fest, it was an opportunity for the game to go in overtime.

Speaker 10 All the kicker for the Raiders had to do was make the kick. Just make the kick.
Games are won and lost on the legs sometimes. You got one job to do, Uncle.

Speaker 10 You have one job to do as a kicker that can give you a chance to give your team a chance to win or tie a game or send it in overtime. And he wasn't able to do that.
And listen,

Speaker 10 you said it right. It was a snooze fest tonight.
Not much offense, but it was a lot of defense played. And

Speaker 10 there's really not much to take away from it. But you do get games like this.

Speaker 10 You do have to win ugly games like this. And listen.

Speaker 9 Broncos been winning ugly games.

Speaker 9 They beat the Texans last week.

Speaker 9 Basically, the games, just because you score a bunch of points in the end, has been ugly. I mean, you can't keep spotting teams like this.
That's the Raiders. Yeah.
I mean, you play good teams.

Speaker 9 It's going to be very interesting.

Speaker 9 Spot the Chargers like this. Spot Kansas City like this and see what happens.
You can't keep, oh, we can come back.

Speaker 9 It's great.

Speaker 10 Can I say something? Can I say something? Even if you do spot a monk, and even with the Chargers,

Speaker 10 even with the Chargers' offense,

Speaker 10 even with the Chiefs' offense, I don't think let's not underestimate how good the Broncos defense is.

Speaker 9 Oh, they're defense within

Speaker 10 all three levels. And offense might be somewhat of Achilles heel for them right now, but even special teams is good.
The special team is good, and the defense is phenomenal.

Speaker 10 So they can overcome bad offensive play because they can make up for it in certain areas.

Speaker 9 But But here's the thing. What happens, look, this was a bad team.

Speaker 9 The Raiders are bad. There's no way around it.
And I thought the game plan that they implemented tonight was bad. I thought Bo Knicks played his worst game of the year.

Speaker 9 Tonight, he was just downright awful.

Speaker 9 But Ocho,

Speaker 9 other team, Kansas City, got an offense and a defense. The Chargers got an offense and a defense.

Speaker 9 So it's like, yeah, they're going, you're going to go, man, look here.

Speaker 9 People keep telling me, man,

Speaker 9 y'all just picking on Riley Moss because he

Speaker 9 that guy dropped a touchdown.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 9 That guy dropped an effing touchdown.

Speaker 10 Yes.

Speaker 9 Geno Smith overshot Lockett in the first half, a wide open.

Speaker 9 Now, I understand that is a tough route to cover. It is.

Speaker 9 Well, he missed Lockett on one and he missed the other. I think it was Thornton that ran a whip route.
Those are a hard route to cover, but we got to stop this.

Speaker 9 I I understand, hey, you don't normally see white guys. You can probably count on one hand in the last 50 years that you've seen a white guy play corner.

Speaker 9 But boy, if that defense didn't have Allen and Bonito and Cooper and those guys didn't get off the quarterback.

Speaker 10 Hey, hey, Unc, them boys nasty up front, man.

Speaker 9 Oh, they jump off the ball now.

Speaker 10 Matter of fact, the front four for the Broncos right now is the way we talked about the front four for the Eagles last year.

Speaker 9 Yeah, they get off the ball.

Speaker 10 They are hell, especially them two on the out. Them two, that goddamn big.

Speaker 10 Hey, you see how fast he gets off the goddamn ball? Yeah, I do.

Speaker 9 What? Hey, don't sleep on 99. Oh, Allen.

Speaker 10 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 9 Boy, he whipping ass in there.

Speaker 10 Yeah, he's nice. He's nice.
He really, he's real. Hey, for some reason, for some reason, on every team, why is it always that the guard in the center is always the weak link to offensive line?

Speaker 9 Why?

Speaker 9 Because your most athletic guys are edge rushers. Your Miles Garrett, your TJ Watts, your Bonitos, those guys that play the edge.
Lawrence Taylor, Derek Thomas, all those guys play the edge.

Speaker 9 So you put your most athletic, you put your least athletic guys on the inside.

Speaker 9 But then you get a guy like an Aaron Donald or a Warren Sapp, and they go whip hell out of them.

Speaker 10 Oh, yep.

Speaker 9 And so that's what happens. And Allen, he's so, he's, he's, he's tall for a D-tackle.
So, and the thing is, he can lock out. And so now he locks out.

Speaker 9 He'll rip. He'll swim.

Speaker 9 He's phenomenal. Yeah, he's a good man.

Speaker 9 He's having a, he's having a, there ain't a whole lot of defensive tackles that are better than him. They might have bigger names, but he plays it all.
He plays the run.

Speaker 9 He gets after your quarterback. He can pressure your quarterback.
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Speaker 9 He's a hard-playing Jesse. Now you got those two guys that's on the outside, Benito and Cooper, that's forcing everything inside.
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Right there, yeah.

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Speaker 9 0.73 seconds. Hey.
You better not be late if you're late.

Speaker 9 But look,

Speaker 9 they said the game of the football back. This offensive football, what we watch watch tonight, this is not indicative of

Speaker 9 the Broncos. I'm sorry.
I've seen the Broncos and I watch them every week and I try to watch them closely.

Speaker 9 And the third quarter is normally a snooze fest for them, but they're a better football team than what they showed tonight, OJ. They are.

Speaker 9 The offensively, the defensively and special teams won them this game tonight.

Speaker 10 Yes.

Speaker 10 But, you know, also, I think, I think, if I'm not mistaken, the way the play calling was, I think Sean Payton was actually protecting Bo Nicks, making sure he doesn't put him in situations that weren't advantageous for them where he can turn the ball over.

Speaker 10 Because

Speaker 10 I see Bo Nicks as somewhat of a gunslinger, huh?

Speaker 10 He liked to let that thing go. He liked to let it go.

Speaker 10 So the play calling to me, it was somewhat conservative to make sure he doesn't put Bo Nicks in situations where he can turn the ball over and give the Raiders opportunities to score.

Speaker 9 Nine of 30 on third downs, Ocho.

Speaker 9 The two teams combined nine of 30.

Speaker 10 Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy, ain't it?

Speaker 9 Nine of 30. Ocho, the Broncos had it 3-1,

Speaker 9 and they run a gimmick. Yeah.
Oh, they're going to throw their

Speaker 9 boniks, throw the ball to Cortland Sutton. Courtland Sutton is going to throw the ball.
Come, bro, get the first. Y'all are not.
You see, you're struggling offensively.

Speaker 10 Right.

Speaker 9 That's what I don't get. I see we're struggling offensively.
The last thing I need to do is get these guys off the field. Let me get this first down, and maybe we can stay in a rhythm.
It's hard.

Speaker 9 The Broncos punter,

Speaker 9 he was terrible.

Speaker 9 The Raiders punter is putting the ball down at the foot line. They put the ball out of damn midfield.

Speaker 9 He damn near missed the whole ball. He kicked one ball with his shin.

Speaker 9 I'm like, how you missed the whole damn ball?

Speaker 10 Yeah,

Speaker 10 he shanked it bad.

Speaker 9 He shanked a couple of them.

Speaker 9 I'm like, well, maybe, maybe he can't see. I'm like, bro, what is going on? It's the bright lights.

Speaker 9 You're not going to play again for another 10 days, Ojo. You got the weekend off.

Speaker 9 That display, what they put on display tonight. Defense, defensively, the Broncos are legit defensively.
You're not going to find three, you're not going to find two.

Speaker 9 Hey, they're top three defense, and I'm not so sure they're not two or three.

Speaker 10 Yeah, listen.

Speaker 9 Their front seven, their front seven matches up with anybody. I don't give a damn who their front seven is.

Speaker 9 If you like Minnesota, if you like the Texans, if you like the Eagles, if you like the Rams, I don't care who you like Green Bay. I don't care.
Their front seven.

Speaker 9 Their best defensive player is not there. He's not back.
Pat Sutan II.

Speaker 9 But when you put him back in there,

Speaker 9 hey.

Speaker 9 They're legit.

Speaker 9 They're legit.

Speaker 10 Yeah, it is a real deal. Really, real deal.

Speaker 10 As much as I want to talk trash, I can't. I can't.

Speaker 9 That's why you can't talk trash because they didn't lose. You wanted to come on here.
I saw what you're saying. Broncos lose by the Raiders win by three.

Speaker 10 Hey, listen,

Speaker 10 that's what I thought it was going to be. I I think if they went the overtime, there was a chance that the Raiders might have squeezed one out, but they couldn't.

Speaker 10 The kicker missed a field goal to take it in the overtime at some point. And I was hoping it would happen.
When he missed that kick, I was like, you know what? The game over.

Speaker 10 Because there was nothing that the Raiders could do offensively. Hell,

Speaker 10 it took a little bit of time.

Speaker 9 I don't think they got the ball back. Did they get the ball back after they missed the kids?

Speaker 10 Absolutely not. That was a wrap after that point.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 9 The Broncos moved to 8-2. Look.

Speaker 9 and they got all these division games. They're 0-1 in the division.
They've already lost to the Chargers in L.A. So they get Kansas City twice.

Speaker 9 They get the Raiders again, and they get the Chargers again, but they get the Chargers at home.

Speaker 9 And so

Speaker 9 they're 8-2, but they're 0-1 in the division. The Chargers haven't lost a game in the division.

Speaker 9 But the Chargers got they got two games against Kansas City also.

Speaker 9 I'm not even counting. I'm not even counting.

Speaker 9 I'm not counting the Raiders. That's a win for everybody.

Speaker 9 And I knew, man, when Gino got that thigh bruise.

Speaker 10 Oh, yeah. Hey, look, look,

Speaker 10 that, that that's contusion. You know, you know, in the morning, when that, when they lock, when it, when it, when it's

Speaker 10 when that, and that blood get in there,

Speaker 9 it's over.

Speaker 10 Hey, um, let me tell you something. Boy, I had, I had one of them on top of the thigh like that.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 A defensive lineman, he'd need me. Hey, remember when we was little kids, he used to put a little frog in your arm right here? Yep.

Speaker 9 Like this? Yep.

Speaker 10 Hey, that's all it is.

Speaker 10 Man, once that when that blood hardened up, and they got to use that, uh, what's it called, that, that, that steel thing, the grass thing, oh, yeah, to try to try to break that up, get oh my god, and see the thing is, oh, that's your guy, he got he got knee on the side, yeah, oh, because you saw that big D lineman, and I'm like, well, damn, did he?

Speaker 9 I was like, did it, is it Achille? Yeah, he needs it. They showed that thing in slow motion.

Speaker 9 He got it good, oh, hey, he got it good. I don't know anybody in the chat, if you've ever had one of those, but your boy had a couple of them, And man,

Speaker 9 I don't care what you do. You know, where you sleep, I slept with my leg bent.
I tied a belt, oh, Joe, around my leg and slept with it bent the whole night. Somebody told me that dumb-ish.

Speaker 9 Man, you don't sleep with your bed. And that way it.

Speaker 10 It ain't work?

Speaker 9 Hell no.

Speaker 9 Hey,

Speaker 9 oh, Joe, now I can barely, because now the blood doesn't sell, I can barely put, I can barely straighten my leg out.

Speaker 10 Bingo, and that's the part that's the worst. I don't know if anybody in the chat has ever had that.
When you go to the training room and they got to break it up,

Speaker 10 you bite on that towel. Yeah, that little grass and that little steel, and

Speaker 10 they get the grind in it. Oh, my God.
But hey, but that pain now.

Speaker 9 I had one man, my rookie year, OJo. Yeah.
It broke my thigh pad.

Speaker 9 Put a hole.

Speaker 10 Right.

Speaker 9 Boy, I cried. Bro, I'm a rookie.
I'm a seventh-round draft pick. Right, right.

Speaker 9 Shark,

Speaker 9 what are you doing? Run. You can run faster than that.

Speaker 9 Oh.

Speaker 9 Oh, Joe, man.

Speaker 9 Man, I want to say, shut the. You see me.
Man, you see how I run it. Right.
When y'all saw me on film, did I ever run like this on tape?

Speaker 9 Man, you know my leg messed up. You know something wrong with me.

Speaker 9 Bad.

Speaker 9 Hey. Man, hey, man, you know how it is when you're a rookie.
They don't care what

Speaker 9 to hear no excuse.

Speaker 10 Absolutely not. And that, and you know what? That's the worst thing.

Speaker 10 To have something wrong with you, to have something wrong with you when you're out there and you're trying to compete and you're trying to win yourself a job. Yep.

Speaker 10 And you got an injury or anything that's hampering your ability to be at your best. That's one of the worst feelings in the world, man.
It is.

Speaker 9 It is. Being injured or not knowing.

Speaker 10 Yes. Yeah.
Because not least.

Speaker 10 the one thing that could save you, if you don't know what the hell you're doing, make sure you make that mistake going 100 miles an hour.

Speaker 9 100 miles an hour.

Speaker 10 That's it.

Speaker 9 Yep. And I was like, man.

Speaker 9 But

Speaker 9 look,

Speaker 9 like you said, Ojo, their defense is going to keep you in a lot of games. You're not just going to go up and down the field on that defense.
Absolutely.

Speaker 9 Because once they get a bead on you, it's a wrap.

Speaker 9 You better have a mobile quarterback than get out of harm's way. Yeah.
Because if you don't,

Speaker 9 and you see, they track down Jalen Hurts. They track down Jackson Dart.

Speaker 9 Those are some of the more mobile quarterbacks.

Speaker 9 If your quarterback is stationary like Geno is,

Speaker 10 it's a wrap. I mean, listen,

Speaker 10 the Raiders offense has some success because they're so aggressive coming up the field, throwing those quick screens out there,

Speaker 10 waiting on the screenplay to the back, you know, out of the backfield.

Speaker 10 There was only so much they could do. You can't run the same play over and over and over and over and over.
And any type of creativity or like diving deep into

Speaker 10 your offensive playbook, man, they had an answer for everything.

Speaker 10 They had an answer for everything.

Speaker 9 And

Speaker 9 based on how the weather was tonight, you know the likelihood of the ball going down the field deep. They're probably going to try one.

Speaker 9 And the Raiders missed their opportunity. The ball hit Thornton in his hands, Ocho.
That's a touchdown. That is a touchdown.

Speaker 9 That is a flat drop.

Speaker 10 Not only is it a drop, you you know, that's the difference in the game, right? Yes, that's the difference in the game. Absolutely.

Speaker 9 Because now, what is 14? Yeah.

Speaker 9 You know what makes me mad? A guy drops the ball, and then the DB gonna come to my.

Speaker 9 You play no role in him dropping that ball. You were cooked.
Yeah. Oh, he go,

Speaker 9 man. Sit down.

Speaker 10 Hey, hey, they funny, man.

Speaker 9 That used to make me so bad. Yeah,

Speaker 9 bro. I just dropped it.
You didn't have anything to do with that. You were cooked.
I beat that. Boy.

Speaker 9 Right. Now,

Speaker 9 now I'm really beating myself up, Ocho, because I dropped the pass. He talking ish like he broke the pass.

Speaker 10 Like he did something, right?

Speaker 10 Hey, that's funny. Man,

Speaker 9 10 to 7.

Speaker 9 10 to 7, Ocho.

Speaker 10 Garbage.

Speaker 9 Three hours.

Speaker 9 And all we got was 10 to 7.

Speaker 10 When it got to the third quarter, I had to tweet. I had to tweet and make sure I wasn't tripping and asked Twitter, Twitter, is this game a snooze fest?

Speaker 9 Or

Speaker 10 am I tripping?

Speaker 10 It was bad. It was bad.
But then some people say it was a good game because no, ain't nobody gonna say that.

Speaker 10 They're gonna say it's a defensive game. They're gonna say every game can't, every game you can score 30 points.

Speaker 9 They got 17 points between the two teams, Ocho. With

Speaker 9 the way the defense is handicapped.

Speaker 10 Right.

Speaker 9 You only get 17 points between the two two teams.

Speaker 9 I don't understand. The Broncos blocked the point, got the ball at the 10, and they move backwards.

Speaker 10 Backwards.

Speaker 9 They get an interception. Tillman running.
Tillman played running back. I don't give a damn what y'all say.
That linebacker, number 92, that picked that ball off.

Speaker 9 The way he was running, weaving in and out of traffic, he was a running back. At some point in time in his career, at high school or park warner or something, he played running back.

Speaker 9 Ain't no linebacker running like that with the ball in their hand that's never had the ball in their hand and was running trying to get a touchdown.

Speaker 9 I wish I could have been a fly on the wall. I would love to hear what Sean Payton said.
I guarantee Sean Payton said, Look, we won the game, but that was a fourth jive.

Speaker 9 He's gonna take responsibility on himself, knowing Sean the way I know him. He's like, Hey, that wasn't my finest outing either.

Speaker 9 Right, I got to do a better job, but the plays that I send in, you got to execute better.

Speaker 10 That's it, that's all that's all it comes down to. That's all, but you, you know, what is as you know, there's always games like this.

Speaker 10 You always get games like this throughout the season. And when you're playing a division opponent, who knows you best?

Speaker 10 Those you see the most often, those you see frequently, twice a year. So, this is how the games are going to be sometimes.

Speaker 9 Yeah,

Speaker 9 Dobbins was running the ball. I mean, he's getting five yards.
Okay, what did Dobbins have? Dobbins had 18 for 77. I thought he ran the ball.

Speaker 9 I mean, God,

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Speaker 9 What you do is you dart outside to make it fake outside and you cut up inside. Or you fake inside and cut outside.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

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Speaker 9 you know he yeah

Speaker 9 the next thing you know you're on your damn face but you can't stop your feet because if you stop your feet he's gonna hold you done

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Speaker 9 That's it. But, you know, look, they win the ball game.

Speaker 9 I guarantee you, they probably think they probably, the Broncos, I mean, a lot of the fans, like, yeah, we're happy we won. We got to see our team win, but they're disappointed.

Speaker 9 They're like, we can't play like this and expect to win games.

Speaker 9 Oh, Joe, we got some very sad news to share.

Speaker 9 Cowboys defensive end Marshawn Nealon sadly died this morning after apparently taking his own life after a brief police chase and a vehicle crash, according to authorities.

Speaker 9 The news that's rocked the NFL community today. The Broncos held a moment of silence before tonight's game.

Speaker 9 I believe around the league Sunday, everybody will hold a moment of silence leading into Monday night's game. They will hold a silence for the young man.

Speaker 9 OJO, what were the first thoughts when you heard the news?

Speaker 10 I mean,

Speaker 10 my first thoughts was, you know, especially where he is right now. He was in a good space.
He had a good game, scored his first touchdown, you know, on special teams.

Speaker 10 And I thought there might have been an issue.

Speaker 10 Honestly, you know, listen, we family. I can share.
I thought it might have been an issue at home. You know, issue with his girl or something.
And things went left.

Speaker 10 And, you know, come to find out, if I'm not mistaken,

Speaker 10 he fled. He was running from the cops or whatever it may be.
So I just thought maybe it stemmed from that. And just, I'm not sure what headspace he was in.

Speaker 10 But it's sad. It's sad, honestly.
And

Speaker 10 I wish,

Speaker 10 I wish things had been different, you know, for him, for his sake, for his family's sake. And I'm praying for obviously for the Cowboys fan, Cowboys, Cowboys players, and obviously his family as well.

Speaker 10 But I mean, that's the first thing that went

Speaker 10 through my head, huh? I mean,

Speaker 10 everything, everything

Speaker 10 is going right for a young man, as you would assume on the outside looking in.

Speaker 10 And most of the time, there are certain disturbances that happen with those closest to you

Speaker 10 that kind of sway you to do things that are somewhat uncharacteristic you know of you and it makes you make decisions that just

Speaker 10 are tough

Speaker 10 and and and be because of that whatever it may be you know i'm not that's just telling you what i thought when i first heard it but um

Speaker 10 whatever did happen i'm sure will come out but and it's it's sad huh it's it's sad you you had your whole career in front of you you had your whole career

Speaker 9 there

Speaker 9 sometimes uh it gets dark.

Speaker 9 We were on our way back from L.A. this morning, and Jordan said, boss, you see this cowboy player died?

Speaker 9 I said, huh? I said, how old was he? He said, 24.

Speaker 9 I said, it's suicide. He said, why you say that? I said, because

Speaker 9 it wasn't a car accident, because if it was a car accident, they said that. 24-year-olds just don't drop dead.

Speaker 13 No.

Speaker 9 That's before I knew anything. Yes, sir.
24-year-old young men playing the NFL just don't drop dead. They don't.

Speaker 9 I'll share a story. Not now, because this is our time to grieve him.
But you don't know, boy, when people going through something,

Speaker 9 you got to be really, really strong. Yes.
Really, really,

Speaker 9 really, really.

Speaker 9 I can't emphasize really enough.

Speaker 10 Right.

Speaker 9 I'll share a story about what 25 has done, what 25 and the things that I've gone through publicly and privately.

Speaker 9 But in this situation, it is reported that his girlfriend called police and asked for a wellness check.

Speaker 9 He has a gun.

Speaker 9 And if what's being reported, he will end it. He will end it.
He will end it. She kept emphasizing that.

Speaker 9 It is also being reported that the group Chadi said he said goodbye to his family.

Speaker 9 Obviously, that's not normal.

Speaker 9 Probably those closest to around him

Speaker 9 probably knew that he probably dealt with something, but probably didn't know the severity in which he was dealing with it. You know,

Speaker 9 we think we know people, Ojo. We do.
We think we know people.

Speaker 9 Yeah, man, I'm good, bro. I'm good.
I'm good.

Speaker 9 Nah.

Speaker 9 And you don't want to. You say, well, I don't want to pride, man.

Speaker 9 Man, you don't know what's, man. You don't know the hell that somebody has dealing in their head.
Yes, sir. And the thing is, is that when you're going through something,

Speaker 9 you're like, man, I just, I just want to be out of this pain.

Speaker 9 But when you go that step, think about all the pain that those that's left behind is going to have to deal with, all the unanswered questions.

Speaker 10 Yes, sir.

Speaker 9 Now, what did I do? Where did I go wrong? What could I have done? Did I miss the signs? Is there something I could have done? Could I have intervened sooner? What is it that I missed?

Speaker 9 Now they have to question themselves they ask themselves tough questions

Speaker 9 yeah

Speaker 9 he's out of pain those demons got him

Speaker 9 and and and and and

Speaker 9 I feel I just feel bad for people that that

Speaker 9 parents should parents are not supposed to bury kids it's supposed to be the other way around the other way around yeah And I can just, I can just imagine,

Speaker 9 and if

Speaker 9 it's mom, his dad, those that loved him, that cared about him, I can only imagine the hell. Because it's already already tough

Speaker 9 when that appointment that you have

Speaker 9 that can't be rescheduled. It's already tough.

Speaker 9 But Ocho, the man upstairs knew how this thing was going to play out. He knew.
He already, the moment you born, he already know how you're going to leave.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 9 I just,

Speaker 9 my heart breaks for his family. My heart breaks for those that cared about him, that loved him,

Speaker 9 But you don't know, man. I'm telling you.
I'm telling you, when you low

Speaker 9 and you like, and you don't think there's no other way

Speaker 9 to end this pain, to end this disappointment, to end this heartbreak.

Speaker 9 I'm telling you, Ocho.

Speaker 9 I'm telling you, man,

Speaker 9 you have to fall on your knees.

Speaker 10 Yeah. Hey, it's tough, huh?

Speaker 9 You know, man, hey, bro.

Speaker 10 Hey, listen, hold on. Hey, now, now we done both been down there too now.

Speaker 9 Hey, Ocho.

Speaker 10 Hey, I'm talking about the lowest of the lows. I'm talking about

Speaker 10 sitting on top of the mountain

Speaker 10 at 12 o'clock in the afternoon.

Speaker 10 Boy, by the next day at 11, boy, I was at the bottom.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Ocho, before you go any further, Ocho, his mom passed away last year.

Speaker 9 She

Speaker 9 passed away.

Speaker 10 Boy, hey, that's a pain like no other. You hear me?

Speaker 11 Ooh.

Speaker 10 Well, when I lost Hurricane Paula, you talk about pain and the only thing that was able to, the only reason, I got to think about them little ones.

Speaker 10 See, that's how I'm able to be able to compartmentalize and understand, okay, I can grieve, I can be hurt, but then the other side of me, I still got to stay strong for them.

Speaker 10 I still got business I got to take care of. So

Speaker 10 I had to be even killed in a sense.

Speaker 10 Listen, you know, life does continue to go on so i'm gonna have i'm gonna have to do this grieving as i finish this journey

Speaker 10 i ain't i ain't i ain't i don't i ain't got no i don't i don't have no choice you don't

Speaker 9 i just remember ocho

Speaker 9 and uh

Speaker 9 my grandma said it twice she never said it in front of me but she said something else I remember she told my, she, the doctors came in.

Speaker 9 Sorry, chat.

Speaker 9 the doctors came in the room

Speaker 9 and Libby was just as plain as day they said miss Porter how you doing

Speaker 9 she said I'm not doing well doc I'm dying

Speaker 9 said it just like that she said miss Porter she said miss Porter you can't say like this you can't say that you can't you can't think like that and Libby say she said granny don't say that granny

Speaker 9 Granny said I know I'm dying that was the first time about a month later, my cousin, Linda, was in the room. She said,

Speaker 9 Linda's mom and Granny were sisters, Annie Mae and Granny.

Speaker 9 So she said, Aunt Mary, how you doing?

Speaker 9 She said, I ain't doing good, Linda. I'm dying.
Just like that.

Speaker 9 Libby had done told me, and Granny know Libby had told me. So I come in there and I'm all sad.

Speaker 9 She said, Boy, why you sad?

Speaker 9 She said, we all got to do it, son. We all got to live here.
We got to leave here.

Speaker 9 We ain't come to stay.

Speaker 9 I got up and walked out the room.

Speaker 9 I can honestly say

Speaker 9 I've never been the same since.

Speaker 9 When my granny died, a part of me died with her.

Speaker 9 I won't ever be the same.

Speaker 9 I won't ever love the same.

Speaker 9 I've tried.

Speaker 9 I'm never going to love anybody like I love that woman.

Speaker 9 Because even when I was wrong, she said, baby, you wrong, but I love you.

Speaker 9 It broke me.

Speaker 9 And when I went back in that room, oh, Joe, I remember remember it like yesterday I went back in that room they was doing a story on me for the Denver Post Mike Cliss and I stopped and she was crying I'm talking about uncontrollably yeah and I stopped Mike and I went in the room and I got in my arms

Speaker 9 and I said granny what's wrong

Speaker 9 And I got in my arms and she just moving back and forth, back and forth. Granny, what's wrong?

Speaker 9 I said, Granny, it's okay.

Speaker 9 I got it.

Speaker 9 She looked at me. I said, Granny, I got it.

Speaker 9 I said, I got Libby.

Speaker 9 I got Spanky. And I got mama.

Speaker 9 It's okay.

Speaker 9 I got it.

Speaker 9 I said, you and Papa did what you're supposed to do. I said, Granny, don't worry about it anymore.
I got this. If you need to go home to rest, go home and know your baby got it.

Speaker 9 Ocho, I left.

Speaker 9 That was like a Wednesday.

Speaker 9 Thursday, I called home. I called Libby.
Libby said, yeah, I said, you already home? She said, yeah, Granny said she needed some rest.

Speaker 9 30 minutes later, Libby called me back. People called Granny was gone.

Speaker 9 She wasn't going until she was not going until her baby said it was going to be okay. Once I told Granny it was going to be okay, that I had Libby, I had Spake, and I had Mama.

Speaker 10 Yeah,

Speaker 9 it was like a weight was lifted off her because her whole life she had worried about everybody. Now she, okay, if I leave her, who gonna worry about him? Who gonna take care of him?

Speaker 9 Me.

Speaker 9 I don't sleep

Speaker 9 because I can't turn my mind off. I've been in survival mode since I was about nine years old.

Speaker 9 Why I don't go on vacation? Because I can't.

Speaker 9 Because I can't stop to turn my mind off.

Speaker 9 I lay up so many nights thinking about my brother, my sister, my mom, worried about my kids.

Speaker 9 If something happens to Shannon, who's going to take care of them?

Speaker 9 My mom's been retired 20 years. My sister ain't worked in 50 years.

Speaker 9 My brother's retired. Who is going to, yes, I've got all the parameters in place, but who?

Speaker 9 That's what I worry about. That's why I work so damn hard.
That's why I was in LA,

Speaker 9 did a club Shay Shay interview, did nightcap, got up at 5:30 this morning, caught a seven o'clock flight here, came back, took a shower, took an hour nap, and went and did another club Shayshay interview.

Speaker 9 And here I am doing it tonight, nightcap. That's why.

Speaker 9 Because there's nobody else. Mary and Barney Porter,

Speaker 9 that is my calling.

Speaker 9 I got to take care of my family.

Speaker 9 That's what I got to do, OJ. That's what I'm here for.

Speaker 9 Man, you shot up. All I thought about was getting rained on.
All I thought about, you talk about, oh, you ate that.

Speaker 9 All I thought about when I was in Denver is what I ate all the night that we didn't have anything to eat.

Speaker 9 That's what I thought about. That's what drove me, Ocho.

Speaker 9 There were many nights I was obsessed with it.

Speaker 9 It drove me. There are many nights.

Speaker 9 Like I said, I'm going to share my story. I want to talk this about Nealon, but I know what that young man was going through.

Speaker 9 I know.

Speaker 9 There have been a many days, Ocho. I'm in my living room and I fall on my knees.

Speaker 9 I say,

Speaker 9 I know you're the Alpha and the Omega. You're the King of Kings, the Lord of lords.

Speaker 9 Father,

Speaker 9 I stretch my hand to thee. No other help.
I know.

Speaker 9 If you leave me, where I'm going to go,

Speaker 9 I say, Father, I know you didn't bring me this far to believe me now.

Speaker 9 I can just imagine the hurt.

Speaker 9 If he cared about his mom like I love my granny, I can imagine the hurt. Because I know the day my sister called me, that night she called me, I was never ever the same.

Speaker 9 And I'm never going to be the same.

Speaker 9 And anybody that bees up, that's in my life needs to understand that I'm going to love you. I'm going to give you everything I got.

Speaker 9 But Mary Viola Porter gave me everything but life.

Speaker 9 Everything but life.

Speaker 9 What you see.

Speaker 9 The discipline, the hard work, the dedication. She used to tell me and my brother all the time, it take all that to make a man.

Speaker 9 Man, my heart breaks for this young man's family. 24 years old,

Speaker 9 perfect health, pitch of health on the outside.

Speaker 9 But there's a volcano going on inside that we can't see.

Speaker 9 There's a saying that says, We create our demons, and only we can chase them away.

Speaker 9 Sometimes when you're at your weakest, that's when the old devil tries to get you, Joe. Oh, Joe.

Speaker 10 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 9 That's when he tried to get you.

Speaker 9 But if you're not careful,

Speaker 9 he'll get you when you're at your highest, too, because you'll let your guard down.

Speaker 10 It only took me one time

Speaker 9 to kneeling, family, friends, and loved ones, anybody that came in contact with this young man, I grieve with you.

Speaker 9 I pray with you.

Speaker 9 All I can offer you are thoughts and prayers, and hopefully,

Speaker 9 in this most troubled time,

Speaker 9 God brings you comfort, he brings you peace, and he brings you understanding.

Speaker 9 I heard for the family.

Speaker 9 Ocho, they say if you walk a man a mile in a man's shoes,

Speaker 9 then you'll understand.

Speaker 10 The only way you'll understand.

Speaker 9 You can't walk a mile in a man's shoes, Ocho, because the very mile that you walked in his shoes might be the best day of his life. You got to spend an eternity.
You got to spend an experience.

Speaker 9 You have to walk step for step, day for day. week for week, month for month, year for year

Speaker 9 to get a sense of what a man is going through or what a person's going through.

Speaker 9 For them demons, man,

Speaker 9 you gotta be strong, OJo.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 9 And like you said, you needed to be strong for other people.

Speaker 10 That's the one thing keep me going.

Speaker 10 Because

Speaker 10 I've been at the lowest of lows.

Speaker 9 I know.

Speaker 10 I done been at the highest of highs. And I learned after being at my lowest, how can I always keep myself even keel at all times?

Speaker 10 Not get too high, not get too low, but stay right in that middle, no matter what. No matter how bad, how sad I am, no matter how good I'm feeling,

Speaker 10 always stay right there, even kill, right in the center.

Speaker 10 My focus has always been completely different,

Speaker 10 always been completely different.

Speaker 10 Losing mama, losing grandma,

Speaker 10 on top of the other issues,

Speaker 11 man.

Speaker 10 We all, we all fight a different battle.

Speaker 10 We all fight something. Hey,

Speaker 10 everybody.

Speaker 9 We all at war.

Speaker 10 Everybody fights.

Speaker 9 Something.

Speaker 10 Yes.

Speaker 9 24 years of 24 years young.

Speaker 9 24 years young hell you remember you was 24 I remember when I was 24 hell my kids yeah

Speaker 9 the one time this is not the first time he's fought this battle

Speaker 9 this is the first time the battle's won

Speaker 9 Cowboys I pray for you

Speaker 9 Dak went through very something very similar his his brother.

Speaker 9 Dak spoke about a fallen teammate today. It's been a very tough day.
Tragic loss. I hurt heavy, heavy, heavy heart today.
I hurt for my Sean. I hurt for his family.
I hurt for his girlfriend.

Speaker 9 I hurt for every single one of my teammates. It's just a pain that you don't wish upon anyone.
You wish none of this.

Speaker 9 None of us had to go through it. You wish Marshawn didn't have to go through it.
What he went through, just thankful for each moment we have in this life, and you don't want to take it for granted.

Speaker 9 You talking to somebody that has a first-hand account? You lost a brother.

Speaker 9 I can only imagine. I can't even begin to fathom the pain,

Speaker 9 the hurt.

Speaker 9 That the Cowboys fans, the Cowboy players, his family, his friends, his loved ones,

Speaker 9 I can't even fathom that kind of pain.

Speaker 9 I hurt for him. My heart breaks for him.

Speaker 9 All I can say, if you're going through something, talk to somebody.

Speaker 9 Talk.

Speaker 9 Maybe he felt

Speaker 9 there was no one to talk to, there was no one to turn to, Ocho.

Speaker 9 No one heard his cries,

Speaker 9 his silent screams,

Speaker 9 his whispering yells.

Speaker 9 They went unheard.

Speaker 9 Marshawn Lee Nealon,

Speaker 9 tragically dead at the age of 24.

Speaker 9 Oh, Joe, someone you know very well, Antonio Brown was arrested on an attempted murder charge stemming from a shooting after the celebrity boxing event in Miami. Police confirmed today.

Speaker 9 Miami police said Brown was taken into custody by the U.S. Marshals in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates.

Speaker 9 He was flown to Essex County, New Jersey, where he was being held held pending extradition to Miami. It was unclear

Speaker 9 why A.B. was taken to New Jersey first or how long he's been in Dubai, although he has posted several times on social media over the past few months from there.

Speaker 9 According to the arrest warrant detailing the May 16th shooting, A.B. is accused of grabbing a handgun from a security staffer after a boxing match and firing two shots at a man

Speaker 9 he had been fist fighting with earlier. The man told the investigators that one of the bullets grazed his neck.

Speaker 9 Ocho.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 9 A.B. arguably one of the most dominant receivers, not just in his era of his time.
I mean, you look at from 2010 to 2018, he was a four-time first-team all-pro. He was a seven-time Pro Bowler.

Speaker 9 And he was a Super Bowl with the Bucs. And he did it.

Speaker 9 I just wish A.B. realized how special he was.

Speaker 9 He didn't realize it, Ocho.

Speaker 9 Ocho.

Speaker 9 Tap.

Speaker 10 You ain't got, listen.

Speaker 10 You ain't got to tell me.

Speaker 10 You know, I know. You got to understand that we all grew up together.
We all come from the same area. We all train together.
I was watching A.B.

Speaker 10 when he was at New Orleans High School. When he was in high school, I got seen him at Central Michigan.
We trained every offseason together. For years,

Speaker 10 years, every offseason. Me, A.B., santana moss andre johnson santan i mean it's it's a constant constant to make sure that union

Speaker 10 that union as far as receivers that come from dade county we stay together in no way stay on the right path

Speaker 10 always understanding how we got who we are

Speaker 10 the work we put in to get to this point

Speaker 10 Iron sharpens iron. So we made sure we all stayed aligned with each other and did everything the right way.
Always. I'm not sure at what point I understand.

Speaker 10 He knows he's great. We always told him he was great.
I'm not sure at what point

Speaker 10 everybody else, we straight, we straight line.

Speaker 10 Even I was a fool, huh?

Speaker 10 Even I was a fool in a fun, entertaining way. But listen, I know what lines not to cross.
Right.

Speaker 10 I understood what lines not to cross because there's certain bridges I didn't want to burn that I knew I would need on the back end.

Speaker 10 I don't, I'm, I'm,

Speaker 10 I, I, I, i try i i try to talk to him i tried

Speaker 10 because bro i i'm talking about people understanding i i sent i sent a like a a broken heart when i saw you know what happened when i saw the news on twitter and people like why are you sending man it's history this ain't got nothing to do with football yeah it's bigger than football way bigger than bigger than a man on a personal level you know him as a fan i know him on a personal level yeah and and so it it hurt to see that it's come to this point you know and you you you you try to talk to individuals, but stuff like that, when it comes to someone that's grown and is able to make their own decisions, you know, you kind of let things play out for what they are because maybe he's doing something that he feels is the right thing, even though it may be crazy from the outside looking in.

Speaker 10 Maybe there's a method to his madness. But when it gets to this point,

Speaker 10 God damn, not my dog.

Speaker 10 You know, maybe something like this is, in a sense, I don't know how things are going to turn out, but maybe this is something he might need

Speaker 10 to bring him back home. If you understand what I mean,

Speaker 10 something to bring him back home and getting back on the right track. I'm not sure what the outcome of this will be,

Speaker 9 but

Speaker 10 I mean, man, he, you know, you know, I'm here for him. If you ever needed me, you could ever reach out, you know, I'm always here, man.

Speaker 10 It's three people, huh?

Speaker 10 It's three people,

Speaker 10 no matter what.

Speaker 10 AB is one of them.

Speaker 10 Hush Nazada

Speaker 10 and that damn T.O.

Speaker 10 I don't care what it is. But if they ever need anything,

Speaker 10 I don't care if I was on my last.

Speaker 10 You got it.

Speaker 10 I don't care. It just, I just,

Speaker 10 oh shit, that shit hurt.

Speaker 10 I just never wanted to bother him because he grown.

Speaker 10 You know? So it's, it's, it's, you know, I want to stay in my place, you know, and

Speaker 10 that shit just make me sad to see for somebody that special to understand all the obstacles and the sacrifices

Speaker 10 to get to where you at. And then to just to let it go like that.

Speaker 10 When

Speaker 10 I don't know,

Speaker 10 it's crazy.

Speaker 9 I don't know. Look, I...
All I know is about what they said. I guess he had gotten into a fight with somebody.
It was a celebrity boxing match.

Speaker 9 I guess he felt he was getting jumped, and he took the security guards.

Speaker 9 I guess from what it is, I guess he took the security guards firearm.

Speaker 9 I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 9 I mean, I know you think the United Emirates, but you need to go to Russia. If you were trying to get away, you need to go to Russia.
You need to go to somebody with China.

Speaker 9 Somebody that ain't cool with the U.S.

Speaker 9 You see Edward Snowden?

Speaker 9 Oh, yeah. Hey, you see where he's at?

Speaker 10 Oh, yeah. And he's still locked up all this time.

Speaker 9 He ain't locked up. He's over there.
What you call him? In Russia?

Speaker 10 Oh, yeah. They can't.
They can't extradite him. Nope.

Speaker 10 He was a spy or something like that, huh?

Speaker 9 He stole all that encrypted info. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 I just,

Speaker 9 man.

Speaker 9 I mean, hopefully this all gets resolved.

Speaker 9 Look,

Speaker 9 me and AB have had our differences, but in a situation like this, I just

Speaker 9 have sympathy. I have empathy for him.

Speaker 9 We all make mistakes. We all go through things.

Speaker 9 And

Speaker 9 it's just tough. It's just tough to see somebody that was so talented, so immensely talented.

Speaker 9 Obviously, you knew him on a different level than I knew him. I just knew him on a surface level, covered him for a number of years,

Speaker 9 and to see this happen,

Speaker 9 it's just tough.

Speaker 9 It's extremely tough.

Speaker 9 I just

Speaker 9 boy.

Speaker 9 Like I said, I just,

Speaker 9 you know, sometimes, Ocho, you, you, you know, we get to a level we do feel like we're untouchable.

Speaker 9 We feel like we're invincible.

Speaker 9 And

Speaker 9 I'm like.

Speaker 9 I don't know. He just, he was special.

Speaker 9 I wish he could have

Speaker 9 stayed focused.

Speaker 9 stayed in Pittsburgh,

Speaker 9 stayed with Big Ben. Ain't no telling what kind of numbers he could have put up with Big Ben.

Speaker 9 No kind of numbers.

Speaker 9 He was,

Speaker 9 like I said,

Speaker 9 hopefully he can

Speaker 9 someone that loves him and cares about him and understands him can talk to him

Speaker 9 and reason with him.

Speaker 9 Sometimes it's hard to reason with somebody that's unreasonable.

Speaker 9 You know, you try like, hey, man, you know, blah.

Speaker 9 And it just, they ain't even really trying to hit. Did you talk into a mocho? You ever be talking to somebody you like, and you know they're not listening?

Speaker 9 You know everything that you said is going through one ear, not the other.

Speaker 10 And you know what else is hard too,

Speaker 10 it's hard to listen to somebody.

Speaker 10 When they feel exactly like you said when they on top of the world and they feel invincible. It's hard.

Speaker 10 Even though that's your dog and you know that's your homeboy, you understand he grown and you know, he moving a different way than you know, the way you move.

Speaker 10 So you got the respect for the decision making. You know, he is grown.
And then you kind of question some of the people around him, you know?

Speaker 10 Like, wait a minute, that ain't what, that ain't, they ain't even, that ain't even home team.

Speaker 10 They ain't been there.

Speaker 10 Not, not through what we, not through what we went through to get to where we got to.

Speaker 13 Right.

Speaker 10 Because if it was,

Speaker 10 they wouldn't even let you be doing the shit you're you're doing.

Speaker 9 True.

Speaker 10 But again, you know,

Speaker 10 I'm in the background and I really can't, you know, you grown. So I thought there was a method to the madness.

Speaker 11 But, man,

Speaker 10 love him to death. I don't agree with all the decisions and some of the things he does, but love him to death because it's bigger for us, for me.
It's bigger than football. That's home team.

Speaker 10 Always has been for years, since a baby.

Speaker 9 He get it

Speaker 9 He get it figured out, OJo.

Speaker 9 You know, like I said, I've just, I just, like I said, I don't really know all the ins and out.

Speaker 9 You know, the police probably took witness statements and said this is kind of what transpired and this, you know, discharging a firearm.

Speaker 10 Yeah. Oh, they got the whole video with that, that little incident there?

Speaker 9 Oh, dude,

Speaker 10 what? Oh, you ain't see that?

Speaker 9 I didn't.

Speaker 10 Oh, man, they got the whole fight and everything clear as day. 4K.

Speaker 10 Damn. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 4K.
so i mean

Speaker 10 yeah man i i don't know man i i don't i don't know i don't know i hope everything turned out on the up and up and and young bull get a get a chance to you know redeem and get back on the right path

Speaker 9 that's it you said something very interesting oh cho you said you know you didn't want to burn no bridge why would i destroy a bridge that i might have to cross back over on

Speaker 10 we don't think like that all the time though you don't you don't think like listen i uh one thing about it, I may play around a lot.

Speaker 10 You know, I might get into this character of being goofy here on this show, but I think long term. I think very strategically, very methodically in everything I do.

Speaker 10 Everything.

Speaker 10 I'm thinking down the road, five, ten years from now.

Speaker 10 Like, there's a reason I'm not a statistic.

Speaker 10 You're not hearing me.

Speaker 10 Unk, I play a fool, but I'm not one.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 10 There's a reason I'm not a statistic.

Speaker 9 I tell guys all the time, Mocho, I say, man, look,

Speaker 9 just try to out, look,

Speaker 9 everything is not going to be perfect.

Speaker 9 But, bro, when you get to these teams, just play hard, work hard, because you never know when you're going to need to reach out or ask the team for a favor to help you to do something.

Speaker 9 I've always tried to stay in good standing with the Broncos. I've always tried to stay in good standing with the Ravens.

Speaker 9 They understand I have a job to do, and sometimes I have to critique them harshly. Yeah.
They understand that.

Speaker 9 But

Speaker 9 I always tried to be a very good representative.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Especially when I played.

Speaker 9 Not to get in any trouble and, you know, be out there fighting and carrying on and acting a damn fool.

Speaker 9 You know, not mainly because of Mary Porter. But that was the biggest reflection on her.

Speaker 10 Right, right. But

Speaker 9 I just.

Speaker 10 I had a healthy balance of both, though. Yeah.
I would listen. I'm going to represent the home team.
I'm going to represent every I'm going to give you every bit of Dave County I got in me.

Speaker 10 You feel me? In a structured environment that is the NFL, which is all about control and refusing, you know, those to be individuals.

Speaker 10 So I'm going to have my fun and be me, but I'm also going to, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a teeter the line, but I'm not going to cross it because I'm going to need you in the long run. I understood that.

Speaker 10 Hey, listen, for the life of me, I understood it.

Speaker 9 Right.

Speaker 10 So, I mean, just being able to balance both. I did it very well.
I did it very well. I got myself into character the same way when I come on here.
When I come on here, man, I'm in character, huh?

Speaker 10 I'm in character. I'm having fun.
I'm entertaining and just

Speaker 10 living.

Speaker 10 Now, when it comes, when it's time to get serious,

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