Deebo & Joe - MNF REACTION: Cardinals DOMINATE Cowboys + Eagles Trade + Dan Quinn on Jayden Daniels!

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Speaker 3 How are you doing today, Joe?

Speaker 3 Let me tell you something, Debo. Debo, it's my time real quick.

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Speaker 3 How you doing today, Joe?

Speaker 3 Doing good, brother Debo. Doing good.
Caught a little game, you know, Monday night football. You know, it's never as good, though, when our Steelers are playing or my Browns are playing.

Speaker 3 You know what I'm saying? So it was a good game. Always good to watch football.
But you know what I'm saying? It's never just that as exciting. No, it's not.
It's a total different feel.

Speaker 3 But I ended up going to the store, bro.

Speaker 3 like right before the game and I had to I had to pick up something and I'm I'm going through the aisle and I see these hats bro and when I see these hats I'm like you know what

Speaker 3 that would when you said the browns your browns it made me it made me realize that i had this hat for you so

Speaker 3 i want you to it's your christmas present okay

Speaker 3 early christmas present debo when's your birthday

Speaker 3 my birthday is april birthday april 14th okay now look here this is the early christmas present i need you to close your eyes though okay and i'm i'm bring it out and i'm gonna show you it okay you got okay go okay hold up hold up

Speaker 3 don't don't be messing

Speaker 3 this right here open your eyes it's the hat for you you can wear it twice a year. I just hope both teams have.
Come on. You can wear it twice a year.
Debo.

Speaker 3 Debo, I'm not going to lie to you, brother. That was very, very nice of you.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
I like that. Like I said, as soon as I saw it, I'm like, you know what? I know who this is.

Speaker 3 And I was thinking, I was looking for like Joe, like your brand on the back of it, like something like that, but it wasn't.

Speaker 3 But you know, Debo.

Speaker 3 Thank you, Debo. Thank you.
I didn't know. I honestly didn't know what to expect.
I didn't know where that was going to go. Hey, thank you, Debo.

Speaker 3 You are very, you are very welcome, man.

Speaker 3 Joe just hopes both teams, you know,

Speaker 3 and it matches what you got on, bro. Like, you got to wear that.
Yes.

Speaker 3 It was meant to be, man. Sometimes God put things in position that was meant to be, man.
That was meant to be, man. Debo.

Speaker 3 You know what? Debo, I appreciate you. Honestly, that was a very nice question, brother.
That was nice. Thank you.
I didn't know.

Speaker 3 I didn't know what to expect. Yeah, for sure.
Let's get into this, man. Cardinals went on ahead and

Speaker 3 jumped on the Cowboys 27 to 10, man. That first possession,

Speaker 3 Dallas came out of there firing on all cylinders. They had a run of nine on the first one, and the next one was eight.
Then they hit Pickens for 16, CD for 15.

Speaker 3 Williams, the running back, he went on head, popped 11. But AZ was able to get it together.
They got him to that fourth and four.

Speaker 3 They get a sack on that.

Speaker 3 That's

Speaker 3 no points. You drove the ball all that time.
Did your thing. No points.

Speaker 3 That's just, yeah, you got to get it. Turnover on downs, man.

Speaker 3 And then they come right out there, Arizona. Jacoby Brissette, that in name? Listen.
Yes. They went on three third downs, man.
Third and long. Like, they weren't making no short ones.

Speaker 3 He hit Harrison on the third down for 18. The next third down, it was third and 10.

Speaker 3 He hit Harrison again for 15.

Speaker 3 And then on the other third down, that was a longer one. They got a holding call on that that ended up giving them a first down.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 they find a way to stall it out. Dallas find a way to get a little bit,

Speaker 3 get a little bit of stops here and there. And they go for four to field goal, and they scores is three, nothing.
I thought that could have went a lot worse.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, because they was putting them dudes in a lot of man-to-man, and Harrison was cooking. So you know what? Why was dude playing off so far if you were man?

Speaker 3 Well, he was, he was scared to just get beat deep.

Speaker 3 And that, that's just not a good, you gotta, you gotta be able to play a little bit. You know what I'm saying? Like, he didn't want to get beat up top.
He wasn't trying to get beat on the fade ball.

Speaker 3 So that's why he was playing so soft. But you gotta, you gotta just slow down or read three, like slow, like slow bail out of there.
But he was obviously scared to get beat by that fade ball 1000%.

Speaker 3 He was like, everything's gonna get caught in front of me, but they gonna march that. They're gonna keep taking that 11, that 15.
Like, you got to stand up.

Speaker 3 You got to at some point like press him up, put some hands up. Put some pressure on him or something.

Speaker 3 Dallas come out there, they move it a little bit, but they get to that third down and he hits CD for 14. They get it, but they get a penalty that takes it away.
Ends up putting them behind the chains.

Speaker 3 They punt the ball back to Arizona.

Speaker 3 Arizona comes out, I believe, wasn't that when

Speaker 3 he got sacked on that second down.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he got sacked on the second down, they put him to like a third and 14-15.

Speaker 3 And boy, who he hit?

Speaker 3 He hit Harrison again.

Speaker 3 You know, is that Marvin Harrison Jr.?

Speaker 3 He was cooking out there. They was getting the ball to him.

Speaker 3 He was throwing it on time. He was throwing the Jacobi Harris was throwing it right on time to him, like right where he needed to go, getting through it, going through his regressions.

Speaker 3 He was doing it. The next snap, the running back, I think he punched him off about 15-16.

Speaker 3 And then

Speaker 3 that was the four-yard touchdown to

Speaker 3 Harrison Jr. from Brissette to go ahead and capitalize on that.

Speaker 3 You saw that route, that walk off.

Speaker 3 Hey, he had him stepping in the air, moonwalking. Bro, his foot, yeah, that thing got to slip out.
I mean, that's a tough position to be in, but you got to like, you got to put some hands on him.

Speaker 3 That was a crazy release, though. He had my dude looking wild.
I saw a CD on the sideline.

Speaker 3 and i and i and that's and that's a real reaction like this guy he sat my man down you know how that is hey yeah i'm telling you i don't i've been sat down plenty of times trying to jam that number two you know what i'm saying

Speaker 3 man

Speaker 3 you out there no y'all y'all know y'all ain't supposed to have me out here on the slide i'm looking back hey it gets tricky out there it gets tricky out there see me over here you see me over here you better lean this way buddy Yeah, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 3 I'm telling you, that DB spot, that's the one thing. You on the island.
Everything is maximized. They're going to see your plays.
They're going to see when you get beat.

Speaker 3 Like, cause you out there on the island. No question, dude.
Dallas go ahead and get back out there. They move the ball down.
They get, I believe it was like to the Arizona. I think it was 42.

Speaker 3 They had a third and like 15, 16, something like that.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 that dude Wilson, man, he causes a fumble on that play.

Speaker 3 Who the baker recovers that thing?

Speaker 3 That I mean, it was early turnovers in Dallas, too, bro like you can't be that's not you're not going that's not winning football especially when your your defense isn't that good yeah trash

Speaker 3 let's be honest you know what i'm saying arizona get the ball back but they end up get sacked on that second down put them behind the chains they go to punt bro

Speaker 3 how slow was that punter moving dude he was he was moving at that pace all game they need to either tell him to cut down his steps or speed up his process

Speaker 3 something because he kicked kicked the ball, his foot almost hit buddy in his face, mask. He didn't even have to extend his hands.
That joint

Speaker 3 almost concussed my man. He kicked the ball right into his face.
They recovered the ball, touchdown. Hit 17.

Speaker 3 But Arizona gets the rock back and they come out there and they answer a little bit. They answer a little bit.
You know what I'm saying? They answered a lot.

Speaker 3 A lot.

Speaker 3 A lot.

Speaker 3 So that's another point six and seven on that one

Speaker 3 and ran it in for the touchdown at the end with the sneak. 17, 17,

Speaker 3 7.

Speaker 3 They done scratched off that little touchdown they got.

Speaker 3 I mean, it's still on the board, of course, but when your offense can go back out there and put up an answer like that, it gives you a lot of confidence as a defense to be able to come back out there, especially when you like, you couldn't even do nothing out there to try and stop it.

Speaker 3 You're not even on the field, dude. Those are the worst touchdowns, man.

Speaker 3 Trust. At the same time, like

Speaker 3 Dallas didn't score any offensive touchdowns in the first half. So I know Arizona's defense feeling good.
Like

Speaker 3 they feel bad because they didn't even, the points that were on the board wasn't, wasn't their fault. You know what I'm saying? Like, nothing they did about that.

Speaker 3 So in their minds, they're still getting, they still got a donut. Yeah.
Yeah, for sure. For sure.
Dallas going ahead. They get down there.
Dude tries for a 68-yard field goal, but he misses.

Speaker 3 I ain't going to lie to you, bro. I'm like, yo, he's about to make this.
Like, the record ain't.

Speaker 3 and he's about

Speaker 3 to make this.

Speaker 3 He's about the crutch. That was the one dude that I thought that was talking about.
We're going to see a 70-yarder. I was thinking the Dallas kicker.

Speaker 3 That was the first person where you were like, you think we're going to see a 70? I'm like, I think the Dallas dude could do it. But he missed a 68.
Hopefully, he gets another chance.

Speaker 3 But I thought he was going to be able to smack.

Speaker 3 He just was off. He was just off.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it looked like he had the distance. He was just off.
So halftime is 7, 17.

Speaker 3 Arizona gets the ball in the third quarter, dude.

Speaker 3 Three plays, bro. 74 yards for a tutty.

Speaker 3 What?

Speaker 3 What?

Speaker 3 Defense. Defense.
Dallas is defense.

Speaker 3 And then 12 for the touchdown to McBride. That tight is nice.
I ain't going to lie, bro.

Speaker 3 Yeah, bro.

Speaker 3 That man, he ran the smoothest corner route. That was just, you know,

Speaker 3 I can see the corner kind of lost the leverage a little bit. He told me he pushed off.
I'm like, man, he swum you by so nice. Yeah.
Like, that was not a push off. That's a touchdown.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that, that, yeah.

Speaker 3 When I saw it, I'm like, maybe he did push him off because he was so open. I'm like, it ain't no way.

Speaker 3 Man,

Speaker 3 no, I look, that man didn't push you off. That man, that man swam you by.
Yeah, seven to 24 now, man.

Speaker 3 Dallas gets the ball back. They get to, I believe, it was like the Arizona, like.
three, four, five, something like that, bro. They get sacked on that second down,

Speaker 3 and then they end up going ahead and having to take the field goal.

Speaker 3 It's 10. It's 10 to what, 24 by then? 10 to 24 at the end.
Yep, 10 to 24. Yeah.
Arizona, they go ahead, get it back.

Speaker 3 They put together, I think it was about a five, a little under, over a five-minute drive,

Speaker 3 get stalled out at the Dallas 15, 16, something like that.

Speaker 3 They get a field goal. They still up by 17.
It's 27 to 10.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 it's within touch, it's within play.

Speaker 3 And then Dallas, they get to the Arizona 20-yard line, I believe it was.

Speaker 3 And on fourth down,

Speaker 3 they're going for it again, bro. Like, like right there, they go six points.

Speaker 3 It could have been at least three right here, six all together.

Speaker 3 Y'all don't make it. Turnover on downs.
It's still 27 to 10.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 defense

Speaker 3 really holds up this time. Yeah, they go and get a three and out.

Speaker 3 And then Dallas come out there, bro.

Speaker 3 Seven plays,

Speaker 3 80 yards, and just

Speaker 3 over what, under or over two minutes? I can't remember. Yep.
Like,

Speaker 3 I think right about two minutes. For a touchdown, now it's, you know, it's 27-17.
It's a game. And, dude, when you start playing that soft type of like pre-vent type defense, dude,

Speaker 3 I don't like that. like keep everything in front of you and

Speaker 3 i hate that man that be killing people with like that get a whole bunch of yards from that dude oh no for sure for sure that's the those are those are those trash yards at the end of the game that don't matter they're still padding the stats well he ain't padding here but he was still trying to win it because they still had opportunity but i'm saying like as a defense i'm like yo man i'm gonna keep doing what i was doing that got me where we're at

Speaker 3 A thousand percent.

Speaker 3 When I'm saying patent stats, I'm saying this is when they're able to get yards. It doesn't like

Speaker 3 not really getting that against you you know what i'm saying yep and then you know arizona go out there they get sacked on a second down after they scored so it's 27 to 17 they get sacked on second down get a false start on third down they end up having to punt the ball

Speaker 3 dude dallas gets the rock and pete gang

Speaker 3 pickens he goes with just seven minutes left he gets the first down on that second five he gets it

Speaker 3 and this is one of the reasons why the stillers this is what you talk about the maturity yo we we go ahead and see what we can do what we can get because we're worried about the maturity and this is a situation where he goes he taunts the db pointing the ball handing the ball whatever he's doing he gets a 15 yard unsportsman like later on that ends up getting sacked That end up, yeah, that gets

Speaker 3 Arizona forces a fumble and recovers it. Like,

Speaker 3 i just i i don't i don't understand what you know what he's thinking there like they especially with you they looking for it bro

Speaker 3 no for sure and they made they emphasize that they emphasize that you're not gonna be standing over people you're not gonna be looking at people pointing the ball at people you're gonna get a 15 yard penalty for that like that's that's unsportsmanlike conduct that's an emphasis and you know they overemphasizing that and then you picking us you know they looking at you because you you the you the you the why be you the young boy you the young boy so they expecting you to do some wild stuff so uh i'm glad that got the first down you got to grow up with that just you know i'm saying don't don't don't do that joy don't do that don't yeah don't don't put yourself in positions to to deal with deal with things like that you know what i'm saying they fall like i said trying to come was that williams that fumbled again or was that somebody else or was that the tight who was that

Speaker 3 i think that was was it

Speaker 3 It was either Ferguson or was it Ferguson did the first one. I think this was my first time.
I think it was Williams. Okay, so they fumbled a rock.
Whoever was, he fumbled a rock. Arizona recovers.

Speaker 3 all right so arizona got the ball back with i think just what over under four minutes left and they go for it on fourth and eight like i understand you going for it and marvin harrison was wide open like he yeah if he could have got it to him that would have been great but for me i'd have been like yo let me go ahead and try and pin this thing and

Speaker 3 you know, give my defense a long field. So

Speaker 3 they got a long way to go.

Speaker 3 No, I feel you playing the field position game because your defense, they have been playing well this whole game, creating turnovers.

Speaker 3 They haven't been able to show them that they could drive it, but they're going to be able to make something happen. So I'm with you on that.
Yeah, so they end up turning the ball over on downs. And

Speaker 3 Dallas gets the ball back. It really ain't that much time left.
It's kind of over with you, two scores down, but he ended up getting sacked on that third down.

Speaker 3 And then on that fourth and 30, whatever it was. you know he's just throwing it up to try and get it out there because if you get sacked that's it and he gets the interception game over with.
They go

Speaker 3 kneel on it at the end. And that's it, dude.

Speaker 3 Dallas got some issues, man. Dallas defense is just bad, man.
It's trash, bro. Like, the first, like, you just totally lost like the first half, like on them third downs.
First half, they was

Speaker 3 connecting on them boys. what was it seven and nine on third down and you're not talking about like short third downs dude you're talking about the third

Speaker 3 third and 10 third and 14 you know and brissette went out there and he did his thing he's been doing his thing to be honest with you the last few weeks he's been in there you know he he 21 to 31 he got one with 261 two tugs and ran one in two and marvin harrison they finally got this man the ball marvin harrison jr they finally got this man the ball He almost got a hundred.

Speaker 3 He should have got 100 if they got that ball to him. He was seven for 96.

Speaker 3 It could have been been more than that. Like, this is, you know, this is his biggest performance so far of his professional career.

Speaker 3 He looking more like, you know, the guy that we saw at O State, you know.

Speaker 3 And Arizona's defense, they was just out there forcing fumbles everywhere. Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 I think they forced four. They only recovered two of them.

Speaker 3 Yep, because

Speaker 3 they stripped. They rough pickings too, but the running back was running down there and was able to jump on it and recover.

Speaker 3 But he definitely, they forced a a lot of fun yeah and and you know they they getting those fumbles at points where you know it's swinging the game it's changing momentum

Speaker 3 you know and dallas hell you add that to the fact that they they was they was bad in the red zone well in part because arizona was was doing so well um did i see you know i i see why uh i see why jerry was like you know before the game he's talking about yeah we got you know we got some trades going you know and um

Speaker 3 blah blah blah after that game, you know what Jerry said? Jerry said, hey,

Speaker 3 hey, before the game, we thought we was going to win. Now, after the game, and they lost, he said, hey, I ain't about to waste no more money.
I ain't about to waste no more money.

Speaker 3 And we ain't got no chance of making no more money. I ain't going to waste no more money.
Hey, I'm a business man, okay? I'm Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones don't care about winning no Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 Jerry Jones care about getting that money, okay? Making that money. And like he said himself, staying relevant.

Speaker 3 If he stays relevant, stay in the news, whether it's good news or bad news, any news is good news to him. And he's feeling like, hey, he making it out.

Speaker 3 That keep the fans like, yeah, you know, hey, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, keep y'all spending that money. Jerry businessman, first and foremost.

Speaker 3 That's it.

Speaker 3 So this is what I'm saying, Debo. I'm with you a thousand percent.
The first things first, and it's the money.

Speaker 3 I don't think that he doesn't care if the Dallas Cowboys don't win, but that's not the priority. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 It's not like he's like, I don't give a damn about what the Cowboys are doing. He wants them to win, he wants them to be relevant.
He wants them to continue to make money.

Speaker 3 And if they can win in the process, he's definitely down for it. He doesn't want them to lose, I don't think, but he wants them to make money, he wants them to be relevant, and he wants

Speaker 3 to what if they started winning, win the Super Bowls, but yes, it did the opposite to his money, it actually declined it.

Speaker 3 But that guy

Speaker 3 makes what i'm saying i don't think it's would you think he would take the money over to success

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Speaker 3 I asked you what you think.

Speaker 3 I think you might take the money over the success. I'm just checking the money.

Speaker 3 I'm just checking. Yeah, I'm with you.

Speaker 3 We're on the same page with that, Debo. I think the money over the success.
Money's the main priority. Money's number one.
Yes. Money over everything.

Speaker 3 Dude, he said that. He said that already.
He's been saying it for the last,

Speaker 3 but I don't like to, but I won't knock him all the way because he doesn't not give, he does have a quarterback, a franchise quarterback.

Speaker 3 I don't think that's the reason they're averaging 29 points a game. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 Their offense is the fourth in points, first in passing, second in total offense, and even is 13th in rushing. So it's not like they're terrible.
The defense is terrible.

Speaker 3 That's half the terrible.

Speaker 3 They're a halfway terrible team.

Speaker 3 Yes, yes, yes. Because when they score under 34

Speaker 3 yes yes yes but at the same time he did go get he did go get george pickens they do have cd lamb they do have dak prescott he's giving them something to watch with their average of 29 points

Speaker 3 he's talking about he had before the game started and now after they go in here take that l he talking about nah i ain't about to waste that money two people ain't gonna help us that's That's, that's, that's the finagery.

Speaker 3 That's the, that's the, that's the money part is more important. So I'm with you on that.
But yeah, he did, that's the headlines. headlines, he's going to stay in the headlines.

Speaker 3 They lost, he's like, All right, bet, I still got these dudes, defense playing terrible, so I'm gonna give y'all some headlines. I thought we had somebody, now we don't.

Speaker 3 Now, y'all gonna talk about him. Now, me and you, we talking about it, okay, okay, you bet.
That's what it is. He's staying,

Speaker 3 yeah, Arizona

Speaker 3 issue over there, but it's a good issue, it's a quarterback issue, okay.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Rousette. Hey, he's been doing his thing, man.

Speaker 3 Offense looking better, they playing better.

Speaker 3 Harrison just had the best game of his his NFL career.

Speaker 3 He found him.

Speaker 3 He got it to him. You know,

Speaker 3 I don't know if Tyler got any more guaranteed money left on that contract than not.

Speaker 3 I don't know. But, you know, it's looking like he might get Wally Pip.
You know, Wally Pip, right?

Speaker 3 Hey, bus would always say, don't get Wally Pip.

Speaker 3 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 I'm just, hey, I'm just saying, you know, Brissette, he's standing in that pocket. When that pocket's closing on him, he's standing there and he's delivering.
Kyler's only, what, 5'10, 5'5'11 at best?

Speaker 3 When that pocket starts to close, he can't just stand in there. That's why they got to move him around, do all that.
He can't see over them dudes, man. And now with him being so injury prone,

Speaker 3 if ain't no guaranteed money left, man, I don't.

Speaker 3 You just should move on.

Speaker 3 Why would you give him another... What are you getting? Almost 45, 46 million?

Speaker 3 He probably making about 50 million. And Brissette's numbers for every game he's played has been better than all of his numbers for the games he's played this year.

Speaker 3 Like,

Speaker 3 it's not one game where he passed more, had whatever it was

Speaker 3 than what Brissette did over the last, what, three, four games, whatever it is.

Speaker 3 He had opportunity. I think Green Bay.

Speaker 3 Brissette's definitely throwing the ball on time. He's looking efficient.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 I'm with you 100%.

Speaker 3 I think maybe with Kyler Murray too, he's been him his time. I don't think I think Kyler Murray could be a good quarterback for sure.
I mean, it may, his time may be not done in Arizona.

Speaker 3 You know what I'm saying? Like just being a different, a different atmosphere, a different spot.

Speaker 3 I just like the way, just being able to, the way that their offense is flowing, him not being able to see over the top of the line, Jacoby, he's just throwing the ball on time.

Speaker 3 When you see one-on-ones, sometimes it's not that hard. I think Jacoby's doing the simple thing.
You're seeing they playing to man on your best

Speaker 3 you know and you're doing it

Speaker 3 but you don't have the height to see over it you can't get to it so all the times where you know a receiver is open he don't get it to him he may not be able to see him

Speaker 3 i mean you heard tua say something about he couldn't see him how tall is tua you know

Speaker 3 they made sure he got that all you know to to marvin this time you know what i'm saying i mean it could have something to do with uh marvin harrison sr

Speaker 3 uh stating something like you know if he was in that offense, you know, in his prime, that they basically sent him a prepaid,

Speaker 3 a prepaid envelope to send his gold jacket back to the hall of fame from can.

Speaker 3 Oh, he was saying basically they ain't doing what's necessary to get the man the ball.

Speaker 3 He got what nine

Speaker 3 targets, most that he's had all his, you know, since he came out. I mean,

Speaker 3 I don't know. I mean, you you don't do that.
I mean, you got day one. That's what I'm supposed to be.

Speaker 3 No, I mean, and I think some of the stuff, too, is it could be at the end of the day, like Colin Murray not forcing him the ball, not force feeding him, but Jacoby at the same time knowing I'm in here.

Speaker 3 I have this baller. I'm going to make sure if he's better than the dude covering him, why wouldn't I not target him more than not?

Speaker 3 Why didn't they do that before?

Speaker 3 That's the quarterback's decision, maybe. If like you dropping back and everybody's running their pass routes, maybe you got a primary.

Speaker 3 But if it's man-to-man, I'm going to throw it to who I want to throw it to. I'm going to throw it to Marvin Harrison Jr.
that's running this dig route on this corner. I think he's going to beat.

Speaker 3 You know what I'm saying? Like,

Speaker 3 I could think it like that. So I think Jacoby just taking the easy money.
Like, maybe don't overthink it.

Speaker 3 Kyler Murray might be just like, all right, bet, I'm going to drop back in wherever it is on this man. I'm going to, I'm going to have a, he has a different thought process going.

Speaker 3 Jacoby, or like Flacco, when you back there, sometimes it's not that hard. If they're in man on your better players, I'm going to throw it to them.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 Instead of like him only having his highest of nine targets, Colin Murray has been a quarterback with Marvin Harrison Jr. There's no reason why he shouldn't have 13.
So you're saying that

Speaker 3 it's either the quarterback or the OC.

Speaker 3 Yes, because

Speaker 3 if you have the option, when you're the quarterback and it's a man-to-man call and you, I mean, it's called and you see the defenses in man-to-man, single high. Right now, you go to your matchups.

Speaker 3 You go to what you like. It's not like, it's not going to be, oh, no, he's going to be open.
I like him. We know he's running a dig and they're man-to-man.
It's going to be him versus him.

Speaker 3 If he beats them on this route, if I'm looking off, by the time I look back and throw it on time, he's going to be there and beating that dude on the dig route.

Speaker 3 And he could just take this to the house. So for me, it's more like.
be simple. Don't make it as hard for yourself.

Speaker 3 And I think that's what Jacoby's doing and being able to be successful, throwing it to him when he sees man-to-man coverage with Marvis Harrison Jr. That's where I'm going to go with the ball.

Speaker 3 You know what I'm saying? I'll look off, whatever. and then I know when I'm my last step, when I drop, he's over there coming off the curl.
And I think he won that.

Speaker 3 You would say it's more of a quarterback being able to see what's there and getting it to him than it is the OC making the call.

Speaker 3 I think so. I mean, okay,

Speaker 3 I can understand that. I can understand that.
Speaking of OC, your boy Kevin Stavansky, he said, you know, he's, he go give up the play calling for the offense. He said, he go, he go let the OC do it.

Speaker 3 You know, he said, quote,

Speaker 3 I just feel like it was the right time for this.

Speaker 3 He might

Speaker 3 feel like that because

Speaker 3 somebody might have to go after this. I don't know who the OC is, but somebody might have to go after this.

Speaker 3 And with that being the case, I'm going to hand these duties over that I've been doing to the OC because the offense has been playing terrible.

Speaker 3 And I know I can't find nobody on that defensive side of the ball and use them as the scapegoat to how I'm going to keep my job as the head coach and

Speaker 3 stay here.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 I understand what he's saying, but I feel like this might be a cop out for the sellout.

Speaker 3 What you think, y'all?

Speaker 3 He did the same thing last year when he gave up the play calling. I'm just trying to figure out why would you go back to the play calling if we knew that there was an option to give it back up?

Speaker 3 Or I'm thinking maybe since it's going into the bye week. Do they have the same guy coordinator as last year that's this year?

Speaker 3 I don't know. That's a good question.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 so long story short, I mean, this is the thing. Dylan Gabriel was his guy.

Speaker 3 Kevin Stefansky, you were the offensive coordinator. You were calling the plays.
I think now, since it's going to be the bye week,

Speaker 3 giving him a little more time.

Speaker 3 understanding that i think it's going to be my whole thing is it should who's going to be the offensive coordinator for shador because i i mean if dylan gabriel i think it's kind of a scapegoat move because covet kevin stafansky doesn't want to be

Speaker 3 the offensive coordinator when shador is probably the quarterback because i think that's probably going to be coming soon um and he's trying to step out the way so they don't say he's he's sabotaging the man's efforts when he get in there that's what you're thinking

Speaker 3 man maybe maybe but i I mean, the offense just hasn't been doing well. I think he's just trying to do something, trying to switch it up.
He has to do something.

Speaker 3 Because, I mean, I know he knows his, he's in the hot seat. And I don't know if he's going to be there much longer, bro.

Speaker 3 Like I said, I think this is an attempt to be like, all right, yeah, I gave it up at this point. And, you know, it still did nothing.
And I don't know.

Speaker 3 I think that, hey, I'm getting ready to go on here and have me. have me a scapegoat.
I would love to know if the OC was the same OC last year as it is this year.

Speaker 3 That's what I would like to know like head coach just

Speaker 3 giving it up i want to see

Speaker 3 yeah yes yes he is but we're gonna see what we're gonna see what i we're gonna see what kind of place he's calling if dylan because now we can see too if the same things dylan just dump offs dump offs not throwing it down the field not even giving our receivers type of downfield routes let's see if he changes it up a little bit because i know when shador gets in there i want to see him like i think hopefully he does the smart thing trying to throw some balls downfield, just getting the ball out of his hand on time.

Speaker 3 Um, you know, just things he was doing in college. How long till you see them having to put Shadora in

Speaker 3 once they I see if we lose? I mean, if we come out of the bye, we can lose to the Jets. I mean,

Speaker 3 why not? Where else are we going to go from there? You know what I'm saying? It's like, there's no, and the defense plays well, and defense plays well, and he just looks normal.

Speaker 3 You know what I'm saying? Like, he doesn't do anything to

Speaker 3 out there. You know, he don't do no help, but he also don't do no help.
You're not doing no help. So if we lost to the Jets, we come off the bye off two weeks.

Speaker 3 You knowing you're going to be, it is what it is. It's a tight competition.
You haven't really done too much to impress, too much to, you know what I'm saying, show that you can be that guy.

Speaker 3 If you don't come off the bye week and ball out versus the Jets and go out there and make something happen, then your time is up. Then it's time for us to at least go see what Shador can do.

Speaker 3 You know what I'm saying? But if he goes out there and wins, I think he got another two weeks. But if you come out and lose after the buy,

Speaker 3 like,

Speaker 3 are we what are we waiting for hey word is your new or coordinator was the tight ends coach

Speaker 3 last year he the oc now so the oc from last year okay they got him out of there hey be careful

Speaker 3 he might be setting you up get you up out of there now

Speaker 3 hey hey hey we go we go sit down wait and see kevin stofanski

Speaker 3 Let's go on over here.

Speaker 3 We're going to go on over here to another head coach.

Speaker 3 Zach Taylor said uh he was not good with the the criticism

Speaker 3 that uh i think it was uh

Speaker 3 was it brown brown gave to yeah brown gave to the defense like i

Speaker 3 i understand

Speaker 3 like

Speaker 3 what he's saying you know you can't do that i agree with him like Like he know they trash, you know,

Speaker 3 you know, when you look at it, they super trash. They on pace to give up the most points, dude, in NFL history, you know, and the record is 534 by the Panthers last year.

Speaker 3 Like they done already gave up 309 games. They got eight games left.
You know, you got New England, they got Baltimore twice, Buffalo.

Speaker 3 And now the way the Cardinals look, that's going to be a problem too.

Speaker 3 They keep, you know,

Speaker 3 Brissett in there.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 how do you feel about it? Will you, you agree? I don't see you disagreeing, to be honest with you, Joe.

Speaker 3 No, man,

Speaker 3 I don't disagree with it at all. The thing is, bro, it's the NFL.
It's a job. It's a professional business.

Speaker 3 As much as everybody wants to talk about like, you got to do your job on offense and your job is to score every single time you go out there.

Speaker 3 Our job as a defense is to stop them every time we go out there. These dudes feel like crap.
You know what I'm saying? So

Speaker 3 being another professional dude as a teammate, we're already getting beat up, you know what I'm saying, getting talked down to crazily. And we already feel down.

Speaker 3 And them dudes, being professionals, are going to go to that film and watch that tape and take that in. And know.

Speaker 3 they're not going to be able to feed their families much longer, you know what I'm saying, playing like this. You're going to be cut.
You're not going to be in the league much longer like this.

Speaker 3 So they know this while they're out there playing, while they're missing these tackles and coming in and then looking in the media and hearing your own brothers that you're trying to go to war with knowing that you're trying knowing you know what i'm saying you might be ass and you played terrible you know that yourself you're professional you didn't make it this far you know what i'm saying just going out playing shitty and not knowing you played bad you know what i'm saying like you are very self-aware of when you do good and when you do bad well most people are very self-aware a lot of people are delusional you know what i'm saying like you know they they they think they might have did better than what they did or your person that you know looks at the tape and was like oh it wasn't that bad no it was

Speaker 3 ah no no no it's yeah you know for sure you got you can't be like that i'm saying within closed quarters when you're in the team meetings and we're looking at the tape that's the time to tell them damn bro yeah like this is not okay this is not winning football you can get all that off your chest in the meeting rooms in the team meeting rooms but when you're in there that's media those are feds that's you trying to get outside stuff out there to everybody else so now they clowning on me and making us tell me that right in the the locker.

Speaker 3 You're going to see me on Monday meetings. You're going to see me Tuesday.
You're going to see me Wednesday.

Speaker 3 But to do that and try to oust us and like make us be even more shitty and have the team not come to me like this, man.

Speaker 3 Media Brown telling me he's hot. Y'all are terrible.
You know what I'm saying? Right. I can, I'm going to now you try

Speaker 3 to not act,

Speaker 3 you know, answer the question back emotionally, but you're in your emotions anyway.

Speaker 3 But now you're feeling emotional. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 Because you know you're trash, you know, and I don't, I don't feel like anybody that don't play that side of the ball should have really any comment on the other side.

Speaker 3 Like, if you don't play that side, don't have no comment on that side. If you're on the other side of the ball, talk about what y'all could have did.

Speaker 3 That's the same thing when, like, we were playing, you know, great defense and the offense didn't get points or they didn't score or whatever that, what, you know, whatever that case may be.

Speaker 3 You know, it was never a da-da-da-da. No, our job as a defense is to stop them from scoring.
If we stop them from scoring, we don't lose. And on top of it, we can score points.

Speaker 3 So that was how we dealt with, you know, with that, especially, you know, with the media. It's like, yo, no.

Speaker 3 Did we push a shutout? No, we ain't put a shutout.

Speaker 3 Well, then we ain't got no place.

Speaker 3 We ain't ain't no place to be talking about the other side of the ball, no matter how bad they are.

Speaker 3 Yes. And

Speaker 3 the realization is we know it as a defense. You know, you can be like, this man, they got to get a whole level.
They didn't get a touchdown for us, but you're not.

Speaker 3 You know, your job is at the end of the day to make sure you never, you can't go home talking to somebody else's kitchen when you gave up plays and like things are, you know, that's what he said.

Speaker 3 You know, it was, it was, uh, uh, uh, Taylor was like, yo, it was points where we could have, we could have made plays and scored more points and, you know, kept the ball and all that.

Speaker 3 That was something that, you know, that he, he had responded in when he had gave his comments.

Speaker 3 So I don't have a problem with it i think it's you know i i thought that it was just common sense to you know respond that way you know what i'm saying washington over there i guess you know dan quinn admitted what everybody had already knew like you was wrong um he admitted that you know what he say he missed it he missed it what you missed you missed you missed the fact that y'all was down by 31 and you still had your quarterback sitting up in there who had just got back from being hurt um

Speaker 3 yeah especially now looking back that man that dislocated everything in that arm and all that

Speaker 3 they don't even know if he how long he gonna be out when he when he coming back all that good stuff no

Speaker 3 no you know yeah he was out there you was out there coaching blind

Speaker 3 blind and deaf you couldn't even hear you couldn't hear or see somebody would have told you touchdown touchdown

Speaker 3 he didn't know what was going on man you know it was bad it was bad

Speaker 3 a good thing he took he took accountability if he didn't take accountability he would have they they they they might have had to fire him talking about you know it wasn't my fault

Speaker 3 no you know for sure for sure for sure

Speaker 3 dude and they suspect the nfl also suspended the commanders uh linebacker um

Speaker 3 uh frankie what is it louvie

Speaker 3 dude hip drop tackles they got him they got him They got him up out of it.

Speaker 3 They suspended him a game, dude. I don't know.
They said it was a repeat.

Speaker 3 they think they said it was a repeater fender this was the third third hip drop yeah yeah yeah i don't so he said he had the thing is this dude you know how hard it is to purposely get somebody in that position

Speaker 3 like you got to literally run up on them be beside them now grab their hip and drop down to make sure you got the tackle It's so hard to get in that position. Most people are diving.

Speaker 3 And as you dive and grab, you get swung. As you swing, you try and stick your feet in the ground when it stops to try and stop him from gaining more yards like

Speaker 3 i understand what they're saying

Speaker 3 and i know like i said i understand both sides but i don't think anybody is out there purposely trying to hip drop somebody dude what do you think

Speaker 3 i i know what you're saying debo but you know how you know when you're trying to stop somebody from going forward you drop and they're they're saying that that's a type of tackle.

Speaker 3 So we kind of know like when we, when you're pulling from the dude trying to go, you just drive to drive your weight

Speaker 3 to get him down. That's that's how else are we supposed to be? It's very, very, very hard.
These dudes are running full speed.

Speaker 3 And I don't think that it's defenders are where they're putting us to a position where it's super hard to tackle these dudes. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 They got to understand when we get them like that, they keep on trying to drive your legs, fall. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 You need to just let it go. Like, like, that's how you go.
You want me to let it go?

Speaker 3 You still trying to drive me on. He's like, lose my whole career job.
No, listen, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 I ain't never trying to make it.

Speaker 3 I ain't never letting me go down over anybody else. I just can't.
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Speaker 3 finding me i just started i aiming low

Speaker 3 no no

Speaker 3 dudes like me i think it was uh I think we was in Denver. I almost tore Lee Decker's knee, dude.
I'm like, dude,

Speaker 3 I'm not about to hit this dude.

Speaker 3 The same, Debo, you speak in facts because I played with TJ Ward and he blew out Gronk's knee and they were looking at him like he was a dirty player. To me, that's a dirty

Speaker 3 put us in position to do nothing else so that we can save ourselves.

Speaker 3 TJ wanted to hit him up top. Like when we played against Cincinnati Bengals, he hit us,

Speaker 3 it was a young like slot receiver, Shipley or Jordan Shipley, something like that. Fummed on him up top, hit him like he wanted to, and they find TJ crazy.

Speaker 3 So TJ was like, oh, no, from now on, I got to go low. I got to take out the legs.
He wanted to hit Gronk up top and just, because that's the type of hitter he was.

Speaker 3 But he's like, no, they're going to take all my money. So he went low and he knew, like, not new, but like, I got to go low or I'm going to get fine.
And it took and ended up hurting Gronk's knee.

Speaker 3 But I'm like, what are you? And they calling my man TJ a dirty player. I'm like, TJ is not a dirty player at all.
You don't understand. He wanted to just bell him up top.

Speaker 3 Like that would have been his pleasure. You know what I'm saying? The ball was set up.
Brady threw a like

Speaker 3 with a blue tent ball and he was ready to smack him and he had to go low and take his legs out and that ended up messing up his knee yeah dude it's it's it's a bunch of situations where you get that and you know like you said even if especially when you're talking about a bigger guy like gronk he's already coming that way you can't hit him up high because you're gonna take a chance of getting fine and even if you do and say you know what i'm gonna hit him in his waist you're out of your mind to hit somebody that heavy and you're that light in their waist you go put yourself in jeopardy you have no place to go and that's when he gets that's when he starts bouncing off you have no place to go but the top of the knee down dude that's the that's the easiest part to get down to kick out like because when you go up top they are they're going to swing their legs down and when you go low their tops going to swing down if you hit them in the middle you're going to fold yourself

Speaker 3 like crumple so you got to either go a little bit high or a little bit low so something's sweeping down well something's sweeping up yeah dude i i was like yo when they were finding me i'm like yo i'm i'm just gonna start hitting people low i said i'm hitting receivers low i said if we playing you man and y'all playing against me if you don't tell me you go pay my fine i'm hitting you low if i have a blind side shot on you

Speaker 3 like that's just what it is

Speaker 3 i gots to keep my money in my pocket and make sure that i am good did you

Speaker 3 Did they put you in any, did you ever, any appealing near yours? Dude, I appealed,

Speaker 3 i appealed almost all of them i only got a little money back and that was on the first one when they fined me 75 000

Speaker 3 and it was only supposed to be

Speaker 3 uh first fine was supposed to be like 15 they went 75 because that was that was a year it was like it was like bam bam bam back to back and you watching like like on nfl or whatever somebody go to sleep somebody go to sleep somebody go to sleep you know what i'm saying and they was just trying to make an example dude i'm like yo nah,

Speaker 3 so all right, I said, I got something for you, though. The crazy thing is the hit that they had

Speaker 3 find me for on Masaqua,

Speaker 3 they were selling that thing for the game was over with, and then you find me $75,000. They ain't take it down till I said something.

Speaker 3 That's crazy. You don't find me $75,000, but you sold, you started selling the picture immediately.

Speaker 3 That's out of control.

Speaker 3 No, for sure.

Speaker 3 Well, bro, we used to have the nfl jacked up bro that real live segment that i look forward to watching and that was sad when you would see them people crawling out of that drone i'm like this dang we was really acting like that was but that was the way it was listen i don't want to injure you but i don't want you to finish this game you can play next week but i want you to know you was in a game against the pittsburgh stillers Okay,

Speaker 3 even if we don't get you out of there, I want you so sore the next day, you're just sitting in a a bucket of ice. You're just going hot cold,

Speaker 3 just trying to make your body feel better.

Speaker 3 There's consequences for your actions.

Speaker 3 Consequences and repercussions, man, for stepping on this field. You came out here and disrespected us by showing up.
You should have just forfeited the game.

Speaker 3 So now I got to show you why you should have

Speaker 3 the game.

Speaker 3 You knew you was playing against me. You knew you was playing against these Stillers.
Now, what you talking about?

Speaker 3 they called they called they called us defense nightqual

Speaker 3 really yes

Speaker 3 that's our

Speaker 3 sleeve

Speaker 3 man the head coach for atlanta raheem morris he said he didn't intend to you know make like you know the patriots did something wrong he said you know he was just

Speaker 3 saying what his guys had told him that, you know,

Speaker 3 they thought they heard clapping, that they were mimicking, you know, the snap count.

Speaker 3 So, oh, you know, I understand,

Speaker 3 you know, where he's coming from. He may not have been it, um,

Speaker 3 but

Speaker 3 you know, when you're playing the Patriots, you know, they got

Speaker 3 a little, they got a little

Speaker 3 history of history,

Speaker 3 you know, a little fina. A little for navery.
I ain't, you know, you know, matter of fact, let me go back

Speaker 3 2004, bro.

Speaker 3 It was, it was Halloween 2004. We played the Patriots that week, and then the next week, we ended up playing Philly.
Both of them was undefeated. We beat them all.

Speaker 3 We played the Patriots on Halloween, bro.

Speaker 3 Bopped them boys

Speaker 3 34 to 20, bro.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 They couldn't see where nothing was coming from, bro. This is when the Spygate was going on.

Speaker 3 Played them in the playoffs, bro.

Speaker 3 They hit us on every single blitz, but one.

Speaker 3 That's when they was doing that muddle, huddle at the line.

Speaker 3 Yes. And not, you know, really hurry, hurry, huddle.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 They got our signals. That first game, bro.
They came back that playoff game and that championship game, bro. Did that muddle at the line.
We go to doing our calls, bro. And they

Speaker 3 catch all that, bro. And here's the crazy thing.
Everybody's like, oh, James, you just saying that. You just saying that.
Nah, I'm not just saying that. I know know this for a fact because

Speaker 3 I'm just saying, because people on their staff like made like, oh, that's just a normal occurrence, dude. Everybody does it.
I'm like, no, everybody don't do it.

Speaker 3 I've never done that or had that done a day in my life. Like,

Speaker 3 never.

Speaker 3 And then even recently, I had somebody say, well,

Speaker 3 Well, everybody did it. You just didn't know about it, man.
How would I not know about it? If I don't know about it, how is it going to help me as a defense?

Speaker 3 And it couldn't help us back then because the only people that had the headphone in was the quarterback.

Speaker 3 And he had lives all the way up until what, 12, 15 seconds? It was like 15 seconds. Like, dude, we're showing hard, hard here.

Speaker 3 Oh, no, it ain't coming there. Boom, they're going here.
We're showing hard, hard where it's coming. Oh, yeah, it's coming there.

Speaker 3 Like, boom.

Speaker 3 Only missed, they only missed one blitz, dude. Like,

Speaker 3 if you ain't cheating, they meant that, dude. You ain't trying.

Speaker 3 You ain't trying. So I know that

Speaker 3 fact. They know for a fact, Debo, that they was on, they was on to y'all.
They was on to the signals.

Speaker 3 Dude, when I said something, like I said, it was like, oh, come on, man. Everybody.
I'm like, no, they don't. Maybe.

Speaker 3 the way y'all was talking, whatever goes through there, but I had never had that a day in my life. Like,

Speaker 3 if I know, it's like playing Tech Mobile. If I'm looking at your controller and I know which player you pick and I pick the same play, it's over with, right?

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 What are we talking about?

Speaker 3 No, but that was when the signal callers

Speaker 3 had no hand, had no speaker in this thing. So everything was hand signals.

Speaker 3 All you're doing is sitting there. They got video of them on the cameras watching the signal callers.
Man, they got

Speaker 3 all that, man. They came out there.

Speaker 3 Come on, debo they talking you were talking about this they put that ooh we i'm just saying dude that is facts right there for sure okay now if they was doing it this time i don't i don't i don't i don't know he said you know he wasn't trying to start nothing but i mean

Speaker 3 when you done you when you done went and started a four fires you know a forest fire one time i i gotta believe if i see you walking out there with some matches and it ain't rained in the last two months you go do it again you know oh for sure I

Speaker 3 lie to you now, though, Debo. If, when I used to watch film, when I was a cornerback, if the if the quarterback, they better change, they better change some signals then.

Speaker 3 Because if a quarterback looks over when I'm studying my tape and gives a receiver like a two or gives them like a this or a deuces or something,

Speaker 3 I'm trying to figure out if I get that deuces again and he runs that same route. I'm noticing that.
I don't think that's cheating.

Speaker 3 I think that is being very observant in the game. But when you're sitting there, okay, all

Speaker 3 and you already got a piece to the quarterback, it stays on till 15 seconds. You're doing a muddle huddle.
The car goes out. We're set up, ready to go as a defense.
And you're like, no, AA, it's this.

Speaker 3 That's a big difference. Especially when you

Speaker 3 just the offense knowing what you're in as a defense. I don't even have to think.

Speaker 3 I know.

Speaker 3 No, no, no. There's no advantage that we could get as a defense

Speaker 3 because they can always change their play,

Speaker 3 even if, like, they did, but they never had the signal. That's what I'm saying.
Like, and then you have, like, like Peyton, Omaha, Omaha mean everything.

Speaker 3 That's what I'm the Omaha means. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's how you throw him off on that.

Speaker 3 Omaha, Omaha. What? Dude, I wouldn't even listen.
That's anything. I wouldn't even listen.
I'm like, dude, don't even listen to that, man. That means anything, bro.
Like, even other historians.

Speaker 3 He'll just be like,

Speaker 3 sometimes I'm going to give you a dummy Omaha. That's probably.

Speaker 3 dude he was good he was good he had i don't know how what the how they did that or how they you know made rules for it but that that wasn't it i hell you even go to the uh one time where uh they had cam mic'd up and keekly is saying oh it's this it's this

Speaker 3 yes and he's like oh oh yeah for real

Speaker 3 okay i got i got something for you that's i got something for you that's the that's the type of stuff i like because that's from film study great linebacker study but they changed it up

Speaker 3 you gonna do it

Speaker 3 yes that's what i'm saying that's the good part offense is you got to switch it up because he's like this oh yeah you studied that but i'm gonna hit you with this you know what i'm saying so that's the that's the chess game of good good work luke keekly great linebacker just trying to get a little inside of like when they run this and they move like that and and and offense doing a great job of self-studying like oh no we did this we're doing this we need to switch it up a little bit so they're expecting this and we can run that that's great just that's that's the inside of the game like great linebackers studying and the offense is studying themselves yeah i tried, I ain't gonna even lie to you, dude.

Speaker 3 I tried to get an understanding of what they're doing, but I didn't want to get like real like alignment, assignment, like tips and tendencies from you know, formations and all that.

Speaker 3 I didn't want to do that because I didn't want to be looking for something.

Speaker 3 The only thing I looked for was I looked for whoever I was going against or somebody on the offensive line that did something that was 100%.

Speaker 3 Dude, let me take you back. So, we're playing, um,

Speaker 3 we're playing Buffalo and we're watching Tate.

Speaker 3 And the fullback dude, when he would get down and it was a run play,

Speaker 3 he would get down.

Speaker 3 And if it was a run play, he would do his hand like this.

Speaker 3 Swear, bro. Okay.
And every time he did his hand like that, it was a run play.

Speaker 3 It was 100%, dude. So we're sitting there and we're just literally watching him.
And if he was in the game and he got down and he was, you know, he was there, he didn't do his hand, it was a pass.

Speaker 3 I don't know if he got set set into a thing where just nerves and much

Speaker 3 were getting ready to do whatever, but literally, dude, he'd have the hand down. You know, this one would be sitting on his knee and he'd do like this.

Speaker 3 He'd do just like that, dude.

Speaker 3 It was

Speaker 3 insane. Like he riding away.
100%.

Speaker 3 And we just start, dude, we just, we just started hollering Army Navy, bro. That's it.
Like,

Speaker 3 Army Air Force. Sorry.
It was like Army Air Force. Like, Army Air Force.
Like, that's it. We're like, yo, they ain't on the ground or they're in the air.

Speaker 3 Like, and we know this just from looking at him. I don't know how they didn't pick that up.
Like, they know

Speaker 3 they ain't self, they ain't self-staying.

Speaker 3 They gotta watch Tate and be like, buddy, you gotta, you, you gotta just keep it, you gotta keep it tight or just do it every time. Right.
You know what I'm saying? Right.

Speaker 3 Right. You got, you got to give them something to, you know, look, even when you're in the 80s, I'm still going to take that.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah. No, that's like a tackle that you look at.

Speaker 3 You're like, oh, man. oh, when he kicked that foot back wide, bro, he's trying to get out of there,

Speaker 3 he's trying to get out of there.

Speaker 3 When he get when he keeps it close, he's keeping it close because he wants to be able to get that foot down fast enough because he got a run block, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 Like, like, I would look for, I would look for things like that. That was all, what did you look for when you was going,

Speaker 3 man? Debo, my thing was I was big, big, big on third downs, on the money downs.

Speaker 3 What a receiver is running on third and short, third and one to three, third and third and four to seven, and then third and eight to 12. Because that was my thing.
That's the money downs.

Speaker 3 Like we're going to get them stopped on first and second. Like, I would study those downs too, big time, but my biggest thing was third down.
Who's off the ball? Who's on the ball?

Speaker 3 What concepts do they like to run? Are they a six team or do they like to go beyond the sticks?

Speaker 3 Because I want to know if I can, if it's if you're a sticks team, if it's third and two, I'm going back off and act like I don't know that the sticks are there.

Speaker 3 And you're going to throw a hitch or a slant and I can go get that money.

Speaker 3 So I was really on some trying to play with the quarterbacks, the the tendencies understanding who's on and off what routes they like to run so i was a big third down because that's when like they don't really change third downs money down offenses they like to run what they run they switch stuff up on first and second but third down you're going to go to your go-tos you're going to go to your good stuff what works so i would always study that and that joint was how you get picks you can make a lot of plays because everything's first and down it's like dependent on flows a lot of things switch but when it gets to third downs they got a lot of like it's more a lot of set things for splits alignments, and what receivers run.

Speaker 3 Stems, how they stem out of there, what they do.

Speaker 3 Top of the numbers, bottom of the numbers, which one is on, like, which one's off, how far they split. You know what I'm saying? Can he run that out route to the fade?

Speaker 3 So, like, just little things like that, concepts. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, for sure. For sure.
I ain't gonna lie, dude. Bucks had me so into it.

Speaker 3 Like, if I saw somebody in front of me, I immediately started getting depth. I'm like, yo, they trying to get me to bite the cheese.
I'm like, they trying to get me to bite the cheese, man.

Speaker 3 people i feel it and i respect you all you need to do with you out there be like this look we see you in coverage we know i'm hoping that they throw it over there to you because i'm gonna make sure i got your back dude you know what i'm saying for sure for sure i'm like coach buds man best best linebacker coach i ever had in life dude keep butler come on man for sure i mean you putting your dropping y'all back in the coverage sometimes i'm like why is why is debo you know what i'm saying dude you got to realize dude the defense that we played is nothing like the defense even when i came back in and and 410, I'm retired.

Speaker 3 The defense was changed. Even though Coach LeBo was there, the defense was changed.

Speaker 3 They had to

Speaker 3 basically. They dumbed it down because it's a learning curve.
And when you don't give guys the time to have that learning curve,

Speaker 3 you're going to get points scored on you because. you're not going to know everything you got to do in every situation.

Speaker 3 And like I said, dude, you can go from a full out blitz and got nothing to a motion putting you on somebody locked up man to man.

Speaker 3 And if you you miss that, it may be that one nuance, then they score a touchdown or they get, you know,

Speaker 3 20, 30 yards, whatever that may be, and extends the drive and so on and so forth.

Speaker 3 So when, you know, they started starting younger guys, you know, it took away other parts that, you know, you couldn't do, which put holes and gaps in things.

Speaker 3 And instead of it being holes and gaps, it just took away that whole defense.

Speaker 3 So now you were left with less of a defense to play because now I can't run this one defense.

Speaker 3 But if I could run that one defense, it gives these three other defense teeth. Now I take away that one defense.
These defense ain't got no teeth. Now you know what you're looking at.

Speaker 3 It simplifies the defense, but it simplifies it for the offense too.

Speaker 3 Yeah, because they know now you're just sitting there. If somebody moves, we could be running something completely different, but everybody got to know

Speaker 3 the same thing.

Speaker 3 Like, I got to be in there with somebody who's been in this defense, who knows this defense, who's going to play on that chain with me because if i'm sitting here four four four by five on number two and i actually supposed to be blitzing but the damn safety is stacked two yards behind me he knows i'm not

Speaker 3 he knows i'm not covering i need my safety to play at that that that that deep and when he sees me going then he can roll down Because now the quarterback look, oh, yeah, I got this right here.

Speaker 3 Hey,

Speaker 3 they call this over here, I'm coming over here because they're showing hard over here. They actually dropping, and we're coming.

Speaker 3 But if you don't have that, you're not on that string with your corner, with your with your linebacker, with your safety, you don't get those plays, you don't get those opportunities, and you let the quarterback read your mail before it even gets delivered to you.

Speaker 3 And you're going, you're going online like the post office got now.

Speaker 3 What's coming? What did they just say? You undressed, you know what I'm saying? What that boy say, stop, stop undressing yourself. You got us undressed,

Speaker 3 you undressing this, bro. Undressing out there, button naked, bucket naked,

Speaker 3 exposed.

Speaker 3 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 Bucking naked. Like you said, bucket naked.

Speaker 3 Look here, man. I think that's about it for us, though, man.
Look,

Speaker 3 we want to thank you guys again for joining us for this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe.

Speaker 3 We will be back here on Friday to talk about that Thursday night football. Joe,

Speaker 3 yes, sir. Y'all know, make sure you like and subscribe, man.
Me and Debo really appreciate the love.

Speaker 3 Keep it coming. We'll see y'all on Friday.
Appreciate you, and we out.

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