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Speaker 22 Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us as you watch the Los Angeles Rams, the NFC-leading Los Angeles Ram, thump the Tampa Bay Buccaneers by the score of 34-7.

Speaker 22 I'm not so sure that's not the best team in all of football, regardless of conference, but they did make it look relatively easy.

Speaker 22 And Matthew Stafford strengthened his hold on the NFL's MVP, tossing another three touchdowns with zero interceptions.

Speaker 22 Ocho, now he's at 30 touchdowns with two interceptions, and he has the best record in the NFC. Y'all know who I am.
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Speaker 22 the Rams beat the Buccaneers by the score of 34-7. Baker Mayfield left the game early due to a left shoulder injury.
He did not return. He was spotted on the sideline wearing a sling.

Speaker 22 Teddy Bridgewater came in and filled in for him, but the Rams did a great job. They were clicking on all cylinders from an offensive standpoint.
And then when they fell behind, they could hunt.

Speaker 22 Those two edge rushers and that great front four that the Rams normally have going all the way back to the Fearsome Forest with Merlin Olson, Deacon Jones, Lamar Lundy, and the great Rosie Greer.

Speaker 22 They got after Baker. They got after Teddy Bridgewater, and they went going away.

Speaker 22 They scored 31 points in the first half, and they cruised in the second half, only scored three, but that was all they needed because the Bucs didn't score at all.

Speaker 22 Until watching this game, Matthew Stafford, 25 with 35, 273, two touchdowns. They didn't run the ball particularly well.
19 carries for 70 yards. Puka, seven catches, 97 yards.
Excuse me.

Speaker 22 Devontae Adams, five for 62, two tubs. Parkinson had four for 41 and a touchdown.
But when you look at this team, they can run it with Kyron Williams and Blake Corb.

Speaker 22 We know they can throw it with Oka and those weapons that they have and Matthew Stafford at the helm. Ocho, what is it like what you like so much about when you watch the Rams, you watch them play?

Speaker 22 And they do this every single week. So this is not

Speaker 22 an adoration or anything like that, an anomaly. This is who they are.
This is what they do.

Speaker 25 Listen, this is the importance of having a quarterback, huh? This is the importance of having a quarterback. Obviously, considered a gunslinger, an MVP, a Super Bowl-winning quarterback.

Speaker 25 And you can make a team one-dimensional. They couldn't run the ball, but they threw that motherfucker all over.
I'm sorry. They threw the ball all over the place.
They did what they wanted to do.

Speaker 25 Puka, Puka Eden, Devontae. Listen, I'm not even sure.

Speaker 25 What was Tampa Bay doing? Why are they leaving Devontae Adams singled up over there and man-to-man, knowing goodwill ain't nobody finna be able to stick with him?

Speaker 25 He's scoring touchdowns all over the place.

Speaker 22 Make it look easy.

Speaker 25 And making it look really easy, especially if you watch it from TV, you're like, well, God damn.

Speaker 22 You know he's going to hit you. Oh, Joe.
They know he's going to hit her with that pause.

Speaker 25 Every time.

Speaker 25 Hey, listen, and once you relax, once he hits you with that heady, once you relax, he take off.

Speaker 25 It's a done deal. But outside of that, man, they look really good, man.
They look really, really good. Really, really sharp.

Speaker 25 Matt Stafford is good, huh? The man didn't. The man didn't play, and

Speaker 25 he didn't even go to training camp.

Speaker 22 No.

Speaker 25 He didn't even go to training camp. So to be able to come out here and play like this all season long, you know, they're 9-2 now, right?

Speaker 22 9-2, best record in the NFC.

Speaker 25 They're going to be hell to deal with, boy. They're going to be hell to deal, but coming out of that NFC now.

Speaker 22 Because Seattle looked good. I mean, that division, you got them, you got Seattle, and you got the 49ers.
The 49ers have the best record within the division. They're 4-1 in the division.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 22 So they have the best record. They just don't have the best overall record.

Speaker 22 They did get Purdy back. Christian McCaffrey is healthy.
They're doing a lot with Kittle and Ayuk. It's going to be interesting when they get Pearsall back, if he's coming back.

Speaker 22 Defensively, they're trying to mix and match. They're without their two best players, Fred Warner and Nick Bosa.

Speaker 22 But they're making it for some, somehow, some way, they're making it work. But the Rams make light work of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers tonight.

Speaker 22 Run their record to 9-2 thanks to a 34-7 victory over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Tampa falls to 6-5.
Baker Mayfield was injured in the ball game.

Speaker 22 Obviously, he's going to probably get an MRI

Speaker 22 and see what's going on with that shoulder. Hopefully, it's not something that's long-term.
But

Speaker 22 Tampa

Speaker 22 didn't look good tonight. They couldn't run the football.
They didn't throw the ball. They didn't really do anything well.
And that has a lot to do with the Rams, not so much what they didn't do.

Speaker 25 Well, the Rams put so much pressure. They applied so much pressure out the gate.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 22 Oh, they can get after you now.

Speaker 25 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 25 Absolutely. So they kept

Speaker 25 baking May feel uncomfortable, didn't allow him to sit in the pocket.

Speaker 25 He had to run and scramble for his life. He had to extend plays.

Speaker 25 He did the best he could. But at the end of the day, it was nearly not enough, not even close.

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Speaker 22 That's all we're going to do with that because here's the game that everybody wants to talk about the browns beat the las vegas raiders by the score of 24 to 10.

Speaker 22 shador sanders became the 42nd quarterback to start a game for the browns yeah since they came back into the league in 1999 he also became the first browns quarterback to win his first career start in the nfl since eric zire did it back in 1995 the victory ended a 17 game losing streak for browns in games in which the quarterback was making their first career start That was the longest streak by any franchise since 1950 when quarterback starts were first recorded.

Speaker 22 The win snapped a 13-game road losing streak for the Browns, which was also the longest active streak in the NFL and their second longest in franchise history.

Speaker 22 Shador was 11 of 20, 209 yards with one touchdown and an interception.

Speaker 22 He was... Look, they didn't run the football worth of nothing.
27 rushes, 67 yards.

Speaker 22 But Ocho, his ability, and he's looking, the thing that you have to like about him, he's looking to push the ball down the field.

Speaker 22 He realized I don't catch big fish fishing around the shore.

Speaker 22 I need to cast way out there.

Speaker 22 You see, he rolls out of the pocket, throws it over the top. He's going to give those guys an opportunity to make plays.
I was very impressed with him, and I know what everybody said.

Speaker 22 It wasn't nobody but the Raiders. But had they lost, he was going to say, well, he can't beat the Raiders.
How is he going to beat this team? That team?

Speaker 22 Well, we won't know how he'll do against this team or that team because we know the team that he played today, he put butts in them. Go ahead, Ocho.

Speaker 25 Well, listen,

Speaker 25 it was the Raiders. It was a Raiders, but what I saw from Shadura tonight, I mean, tonight, it looked good.

Speaker 25 There's room for improvement.

Speaker 25 There's some things that he could do well.

Speaker 25 He would also need his supporting calves to help him out. Jerry Judy, I know you want a dead leg, baby, but just go ahead and get, hey, young boy, just go ahead and get out of bounds, get them yards.

Speaker 25 um that there were some throws i know shadur would probably probably want to have back especially that interception you know staring down staring down that stick route right

Speaker 25 at the snap of the ball outside especially when you can't run the ball when you can't run the ball and make it one dimensional it's very very difficult it's very very difficult but they were they were they were able to pull the win off uh i'm sure shadur is probably not happy and glad he got the win but there's a lot of stuff you can go back and look at and he'll watch film and see where he can improve on improve in certain areas and i i like the fact that he not only got a start he made history today he made history today and he gets to build on that going into next week i'm not sure what's going to happen uh with stefansky if dylan gabriel's healthy if he's going to be the starter or not you you know how they stuff like that is is up in the air so i'm i'm i like the way he looked today and i mean i'm excited for him i'm excited for him because it look the offense looked different it just looked different you know

Speaker 22 they had a bounce about him if you think about it, and the defense did their part. They sacked Geno Smith 10 times, Ocho.

Speaker 25 10. It was 10?

Speaker 22 10. Miles Garrett had three.
Miles Garrett has 18 sacks with six games to play.

Speaker 25 We need five more, right?

Speaker 22 Five more to break your record.

Speaker 22 If you keep singling him, he gonna get 30.

Speaker 22 He's got 13 sacks in his last four games.

Speaker 25 Oh, that's crazy.

Speaker 22 Yeah, yeah. He gets in that sprinter stance.
He gets down like a track and get down on all fours.

Speaker 22 he coming to hunt your quarterback. But

Speaker 22 I like the fact that Shadur was looking to push the ball down the field. And I think that's what they needed.
Guys, because having been a receiver, bro, I want to get down the field.

Speaker 22 I want to throw the ball. Look, I want to catch the ball.
But all this shallow cross and all these bubble screens and all that.

Speaker 22 But come on, man.

Speaker 22 It's hard to methodically go down the field. Oh, Joe.
You know, and we're going to talk about this. The Chiefs going down the field, they had 13, 17, 12, and they're kicking field goals.

Speaker 22 But it's hard, especially when you got a young quarterback. Yeah.
And to ask him to be perfect. Tom Brady could play like that.
That's Tom Brady. Yeah.
He's not going to make those mistakes.

Speaker 22 But you're asking a first or second year guy, young quarterback, to say, okay, we want you to be basically, we end up being somewhere of 25 or 33 for a 275 yards, three touchdowns.

Speaker 22 Nah, you're asking him to do too much.

Speaker 22 Let him take some chances. And I thought Shadur did a great job of getting outside the pocket.
On the one they scored on Ocho, he did a great job. He goes back.

Speaker 22 He's holding the safety just like this there. And then the last second, he turns.
And so by the time the guy catches and gets up, the safety is like, hold on.

Speaker 22 If I come downhill, I ain't going to get there. So let me try to get him at a.
No, I ain't going to be able to get him.

Speaker 22 Because basically when he hit that seam, Ocho,

Speaker 22 it was good night Irene. Yeah, it was a wrap.

Speaker 25 Yeah, it was.

Speaker 22 But level to 20, I mean, and he was like, hey, that's one week of starting. Imagine when I go to offseason, yeah, imagine when they call plays specifically for me,

Speaker 22 yeah. Imagine, yeah, you got

Speaker 22 uh, who's that, John Lincoln said, Imagine

Speaker 22 all the people,

Speaker 22 um, but I thought he played really well, I thought he was really poised. I thought I knew it was great to see his dad was in attendance, and Ty was like, Well, I don't know, man, you know, Goodwill.

Speaker 22 Ty wasn't missing that one for nothing in the world. They could have been playing if Colorado had a game today, yeah, Ty would have like, man, you know, hey, I ain't feeling too well.

Speaker 22 It would have snuck out here to Vegas to watch his son. And that was great.
Because, you know, this is really the first time that his dad's not coaching him. His dad's not around.

Speaker 22 Picking up the phone is one thing, but being able to have a conversation face to face

Speaker 22 is something entirely different. But I was really, really pleased with the way he played.
I thought he threw the ball really, really well. Isaiah Bond did a great job.

Speaker 22 Samson, what he caught that, yeah, that long, that 66-yarder. Like you said, Jerry, Judy.

Speaker 22 Bro,

Speaker 22 did you think he was like, I mean,

Speaker 22 he was just oblivious, like, ain't nobody behind me.

Speaker 25 Listen, I don't know what Judy would think about. I don't know how you forget about the goddamn backside support.

Speaker 25 Pursue, you know, they coming now.

Speaker 25 You know, they coming. Hey, listen,

Speaker 25 I'm not sure. There were three defenders in front of him.
Yes.

Speaker 25 He was getting ready to dead leg somebody.

Speaker 25 I know the setup, but you got to understand, you got to have self-awareness, understand your surroundings, man. Get that thing, get out, make a business decision, or take your ass out of bounds.

Speaker 25 One or the other.

Speaker 22 Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 22 get out of bounds. But look, I know the receivers are happy because he's giving them opportunity to make plays over the top.

Speaker 22 All that shallow cross and bubble screens and all that, as we talked about earlier, Ocho, this gives him an opportunity to push the ball down the field and give them an opportunity to make some big plays.

Speaker 22 After the game, Kevin Stefanski was non-committal on the starting quarterback for next Sunday's home game against the 49ers. OJo, the video is going viral online.

Speaker 22 Here's Stafansky handing out game balls in the locker room after the game.

Speaker 22 Stayed resilient together. Like I told you, we needed to, right? Stay resilient together.
And we fought together. How about Gage's big punt return on such a team?

Speaker 22 How about Corey?

Speaker 22 Every single time you're out there pinning those guys, doing your job, Great.

Speaker 22 Offense wasn't perfect, wasn't perfect. How about that big play by Sam at the end?

Speaker 22 IB, huge play, Q, huge play, Harold making a big play, and then another rookie making his first start. Nice job, Shador.
Well done.

Speaker 22 There's that old saying, save the best for last. How about that defense?

Speaker 22 Holy

Speaker 22 is what I have to say about that. 10 sacks by our defense.

Speaker 22 Okay?

Speaker 22 I got one ball in my hand. Okay, I got a guy.
He's got to get a cold every week. Okay.
He had a cold this week. He wasn't feeling himself.

Speaker 22 Three sacks, which gives him 18 on the season through 11 games through 11 games, which breaks his own Browns record, Miles Garrett.

Speaker 22 So I'll see you guys in tomorrow. Hey, I'll see you Wednesday.

Speaker 22 I remember.

Speaker 22 So hold on. A guy making his first start.
A guy that you didn't really want to start. A guy that you didn't even want in your organization.
Right, right. And that's all he get.
Great job.

Speaker 22 He don't get no game ball.

Speaker 25 Nah, he don't get no game ball, Uncle That wasn't his pick. That's not what they want.
They don't want him to succeed. You know that.

Speaker 25 No disrespect. The owner told you, the only told you to himself.
Even the head coach, the head coach guy, the head coach's guy is Dylan Gabriel. We all understand that.

Speaker 25 Listen, didn't you do it make history tonight?

Speaker 25 First Browns quarterback as a rookie to start and win after what? Since what? 17.

Speaker 22 I mean, you got to think about it Ocho. They've had 42 starting quarterbacks since 1999.

Speaker 22 No quarterback making his first start.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 22 The last 17 have said, we didn't do it. They didn't get it done.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 25 Listen.

Speaker 22 That ain't worth the game, ball, Ocho?

Speaker 25 It's clear as day, man. It's clear as day.
Like, I mean, we've been going back and forth about this over and over. That nitpicking here and there.
And people say, oh, they hate. They're not hating.

Speaker 25 Oh, Dylan Gabriel. Listen, all that.
We know what the play is.

Speaker 25 The writing is on the wall. It's always been on the wall.
When the owner came out and said what he said about this not being my pick, this is brother Drew Berry. Drew Berry, right?

Speaker 25 Is that how you say his name? Andrew Berry. Andrew Berry, excuse me.
Andrew Berry, it was his pick. It was his idea.
I mean, we know what it is. You know, the odds are stacked against you.

Speaker 25 The odds are stacked against you. When the opportunity presents itself, he has to go out there and do what he did.
Do what he did. The odds were stacked against him.

Speaker 25 He went out there, had a good game today,

Speaker 25 much, much more room for improvement. But he gave him an opportunity to win.
He allows him to have a different style of offensive play calling when he's out there playing, and that's all he can do.

Speaker 22 Oh, Joe, I ain't say you got to get a man a car.

Speaker 22 I ain't say that. I ain't say you got to pick the man up on the, hey, I ain't saying the team need to pick him up on his shoulders and carry him off the field.

Speaker 22 But that little bit, oh, you talk about big time catch. Hold on.
And this is not a knock on you, Harold Fanny. So please don't take it this way.
He had four catches for 40 yards.

Speaker 22 I mean,

Speaker 22 he made two big, I mean, Shadura played his ass off. Level 28 had an interception.
I thought he was very good. I thought he was very good with his eyes.
I thought he was very good with his feet.

Speaker 22 Everything was attached. And that's all you got for the man.
Miles Garrett deserved five. All the football that you brought to Cleveland, brought to L.
Vegas, give to him.

Speaker 22 Say, son, we're going to ship all 40 of these damn footballs to your house in Cleveland. Miles Garrett, whatever Miles Garrett wants.
As a matter of fact, Miles, you're underpaid.

Speaker 22 Take your ass back in there and get more. Hey, you need to get 50 million.

Speaker 22 And he'll get this record as long as the Browns are able to keep the game close, where teams can't just

Speaker 22 run the ball. Right.
Excuse me. Excuse me.
As long as they're as long

Speaker 22 you see he got five last week why because for the large part a large portion of the game they had to lead so if his team got the lead on what you got to do oh joe they got to throw the ball back in the game right well you see what happened tonight they jumped out on the 14 another 14 three now you got to pass the ball you can't first of all your run game is not good enough and your offensive line was not good enough to blow people off the ball so you got to throw it right And they got a good enough defensive line that you can't just double.

Speaker 22 I'm doubling Miles Garrett. Somebody else might get three sacks, but it ain't gonna be him.
Him, yeah. Because he's a guy that you game plan.
Ocho, we go in there on Wednesdays. They got him circled.

Speaker 22 He got red ink around him. This is the guy that if we don't block, he's gonna tear our ass up.

Speaker 22 He will destroy our game plan, run or pass. Yeah.

Speaker 22 With that being said, that man couldn't flip you doing football, Ocho?

Speaker 25 You know the man wasn't flipping him no football, uh?

Speaker 25 You know the man,

Speaker 25 that is not the individual that they want at the hem.

Speaker 25 They made that clear a long long time ago. The game that they've been playing in training camp, him not getting reps, we understand that.
So therefore,

Speaker 25 you actually wanting him to give him credit after a game, that ain't happening. So to me, it's not surprising to me because, okay,

Speaker 25 we already know what it is.

Speaker 25 We know you're not our guy. I think Shador even knows that as well.
He's not tripping. I'm going to prepare myself so when the opportunity presents itself, the end result looks like the day.

Speaker 25 The most important stat, that W. That's all that matters.

Speaker 25 Or listen, on the next week, I'll see you in.

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Speaker 22 Ocho, you and I have both been in situations. And Charlotte, I know y'all probably the last guy that y'all want to hear dating advice from, but we've all had, we've all had the young lady.

Speaker 22 Ocho, she was was gorgeous drop dead gorgeous yeah come on away take your time she was she i wanted her so bad yes yes but when it didn't work out i realized the other one she was the best for me and i needed to give her credit

Speaker 22 because the one that i wanted right it didn't work out i understand stefansky won't dylan gabriel but you got to understand the guy now is the best for you

Speaker 22 and it's going to give you the best opportunity to win because he is unafraid to push the ball down the field.

Speaker 22 Because in this league, that's how you win. Big plays.

Speaker 22 I just, I don't get it. Ocho, sometimes you got to, like Coach used to tell him, sometimes I got to fool him.
Sometimes you got to lie to your team.

Speaker 22 Even if you don't like Shadua, even if you won't Dylan Gabriel, you won't commit. I get all that.
And I get the semantics. I get

Speaker 22 the scheme of it, Ocho.

Speaker 22 I want them to prepare for both, knowing damn well Dylan Gabriel ain't going to see that field anytime soon. I get all of that.

Speaker 25 Right.

Speaker 22 But this notion

Speaker 22 that this thing is even close,

Speaker 22 this notion that this was just a whole, I mean, a whole, a whole hum performance. Right.

Speaker 22 The guy got no snaps with the guys that he played with the day until Wednesday of last week.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 22 And he does that on the road in a hostile environment.

Speaker 22 And all you got for him is that.

Speaker 25 Yeah. I mean, that's what it is.
And one thing about it, listen, you have to understand coaches have egos too. The owner has an ego too.

Speaker 25 The owner and the coach, not in cahoots, but they both wanted their quarterback. They got their quarterback in the third round.

Speaker 25 Things happen. Things can work out.
Dylan Gabriel is hurt right now. There is no way in hell they're going to sit on their hands and show the world that they made a mistake.

Speaker 25 Ain't no way, ain't no way in hell. That's not happening.

Speaker 22 It happens, Ocho.

Speaker 22 It's not happening. We all made mistakes.
The thing is, not making a mistake. Do you learn from it? Because remember, Ocho,

Speaker 22 mistakes without consequences, there's no lesson to be learned.

Speaker 25 Well, you have to understand, but how many consequences have they had in the last, what, 40, 40-some years? This is the 45th start.

Speaker 25 This is the 45th starting quarterback for the the cleveland browns since 19 i don't even know 1999 this is the 42nd 42nd different starting quarterback that's 40 something quarterback so obviously they haven't learned their lesson regardless of who the owner is who grows who the head coach is and that's how they see fit we're going to continue to prove that we made the right pick in the third round by

Speaker 25 doing goddamn Shadura Sanders somewhat of an injustice

Speaker 25 and what they're trying to do is likely likelihood is probably going to backfire, huh? It's probably going to backfire and not work in their favor.

Speaker 22 All I'm saying is this. I believe the young man played well enough today to earn another start.

Speaker 22 No matter what you think about him, whether you like him or dislike him, whether you like his brassness, his arrogance, or his cockiness, or whatever the case may be.

Speaker 22 I don't know whether you like or dislike his father. All I know is he played well enough today.
And

Speaker 22 Chad, Cleveland Browns fans, at any point in time, did Dylan Gabriel play in his starts as well as Shadura played today? That's all I'm asking. That's what you have to look at.

Speaker 22 The way you judge a starter, Ocho, I'm not saying a starter can lose. They said a starter can't lose his job due to injury.

Speaker 22 Mike Shanahan said a starter can lose his job because if the guy comes in and he's playing better than you at the time you got injured, that is our new starter.

Speaker 25 Yeah. I have a question.

Speaker 22 Yes.

Speaker 25 I have a question. Before Dylan Gabriel had that concussion, he played six games, right? He played in six games?

Speaker 22 Yes, to the best of my knowledge, yes.

Speaker 25 Okay, six games. So, I mean, it would be hard to compare the two based on real-time, real NFL games until we have Shadur play six games as well.
Right.

Speaker 25 See, the point is, Will Stefansky and that organization allow Shadur to continue to play their game because they don't want him to prove them wrong. That's what they don't want.

Speaker 25 That's why I think the game that Stephen... Stefanski is going to play is he's going to find out is Dylan Gabriel, will he be able to go this week?

Speaker 25 So so we're not on the wrong on the on the wrong side of being right

Speaker 22 wait on the

Speaker 22 ojo instead of them instead of him let him play because maybe he proves you right

Speaker 22 Maybe all of a sudden he flops. I don't believe he will.

Speaker 22 I believe the kid had two months of moxie. I believe that he believes in the way he was brought up and what his dad has instilled in him.
And he wants to be great, not because of his father.

Speaker 22 He's like, my father did what he did. Yeah.

Speaker 22 but he can't throw no passes for me no he can't slide the line he can't read anything for me everything that i'm getting now is because is my own i'm doing this should do it sanders and i love my father i love the last name that he bestowed upon me but at the end of the day he can't throw no passes out you do realize them oh that owner and that head coach don't want to be made to look like a fool by putting 12 out there and having 12 continuously win you games you do realize that right make me look like a fool to help me get to the playoffs.

Speaker 22 Make me look like a fool and make me be a consistent winner. Make me look like a damn fool and maybe potentially get me to the man.

Speaker 22 Do you know if that boy if Shadua were to get that team into the playoffs, get to the AMC championship game, I'm not talking about this year. I'm talking about let's just say in the next five years.

Speaker 22 If he were to do that and take that team to a Super Bowl, they'll build a statue. Yeah, I mean it'll be it'll be Jim Brown, Otto Graham, Shadua Sanders.

Speaker 25 You do realize the owner would look like a fool. You do realize the fans keep look like a fool.
They do not want young bulls to succeed.

Speaker 22 Well, the fans think they're a damn fool now to begin with, so it ain't matter what you look like. They already think you are.
Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 22 all you would do by keeping this going, because you know, sometimes you got to keep your mouth closed because people won't know how big a damn fool you are.

Speaker 22 But I always say, boy, keep your mouth closed sometimes. People might think you're a fool, but if you open your mouth,

Speaker 22 you remove all doubt.

Speaker 22 So the Cleveland fans, they don't hold

Speaker 22 Mr. Haslam and Stefanski in the highest regards.

Speaker 22 So there's not a whole lot they can do to change that.

Speaker 22 Now,

Speaker 22 if you really want to go booing and carrying on,

Speaker 22 take the young man out of it. Take the young man.
Don't let him start next week.

Speaker 25 Hey,

Speaker 25 now you know the game these folk play.

Speaker 25 You understand.

Speaker 25 You've been around long enough.

Speaker 25 So for him to have the game he had, right, to not only get a game ball, for Stefanski to get in front of the media and still be non-committal to who's going to be the starter next week.

Speaker 25 What does that tell you? We in goddamn week 12. We're going into week 13.
There's no need to be playing these mind games as if we in goddamn training camp. You don't know who the fucking start.

Speaker 25 I'm sorry. You don't know who the starter is going to be.
It's a game.

Speaker 25 It's a game at this point because that's not who you actually want at the helm playing quarterback for your franchise because you don't want to look like a goddamn fool.

Speaker 22 Oh, yo, there are very few people. There are very, very few people with the first person

Speaker 22 that razzed their barry.

Speaker 25 Wait, who?

Speaker 22 Then my grandma say, my grandma say.

Speaker 25 Hey, bring that to me. Say that to me.

Speaker 22 There are very few people

Speaker 22 that are with the person that initially razzed their barry.

Speaker 22 Don't worry about you be driving tomorrow in the city. You're like, damn, I don't know.

Speaker 25 I ain't never heard that one before.

Speaker 22 You know what? Don't worry about it. But anyway.

Speaker 25 Hold on, hold on. No, no, you don't skip over me like that.
Give it to me in English, nah.

Speaker 22 Ocho, a berry.

Speaker 25 Right. I know what a berry is.

Speaker 22 Juice.

Speaker 25 Yeah, juice. Red.

Speaker 22 Yeah, yeah. Okay.
Yes. Okay.

Speaker 22 A lot. How many people that are married or in a serious relationship? Right.
That person that they're in that relationship with, that is the first person that piqued their curiosity.

Speaker 22 That is the first person that they love. That is the first person that they wanted to be with.
Okay, so why you had that saying that third, fourth, fifth? But that's what I'm saying. Okay.

Speaker 22 i get it yeah so in a situation like that okay i'm but you know what just for gp just to endure to do a unbelievable job game ball for you right yes yes yes yeah you you do that when it's actually the person you actually want that's it that's a different you understand that's it hold on you're using that analogy wrong too no because my grandma used to say my grandma used to say with uh uh uh you said berry it's it's cherry no raspberry you don't razz my berry, which means he don't excite me.

Speaker 22 Don't worry about it, Ocho. You'll get it.
Hey,

Speaker 25 that must be some downside. I ain't never heard that.

Speaker 22 Of course it is. Of course.

Speaker 25 I'm saying down here, it's more like cherry, the first. Pop my cherry.

Speaker 22 So you maxing the first.

Speaker 22 You don't razz my berry. You don't excite me.

Speaker 25 I like that. I like that.
I like that. That's different.

Speaker 22 I get it. Shadur

Speaker 22 might not have excited them in the beginning. They was more excited about Dylan Gabriel.
Right. But at the end of the day,

Speaker 22 who makes you wholesome?

Speaker 22 Who makes your house feel like a home? Right. Who, when you get excited,

Speaker 22 when you need someone to talk to and say, you know what? I'm going to love you through all those scars. And I know you got a lot of them, but come lay your head on me

Speaker 22 and I'm going to make it okay.

Speaker 22 That's what this young man has the potential of doing. Give him an opportunity.

Speaker 22 That's what we did because a lot of times, I get it. We visual, men, we're very visual.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 22 If you're as sports, you're a bit, what do I see? Man, he could throw the ball 100.

Speaker 22 That's why they make so many mistakes at the quarterback position, OJo. Because what can he do? He can throw the ball 80 yards.
I saw him on one knee, throw the ball 60 yards, and hit the upright.

Speaker 25 Ain't got nothing to do with it.

Speaker 22 How many times he's going to be on one knee? Because if he's down on one knee, that means he's down already. So the ball is going to be incomplete.

Speaker 22 With all that being said,

Speaker 22 a lot of times we get in awe about what we see.

Speaker 22 Sometimes the aesthetic beauty,

Speaker 22 long hair, complexion, nice body. Yes.
Oh, she got degrees stacked on top of the grease. Uh-huh.

Speaker 22 But sometimes it's what's on the inside, it's what we can't see.

Speaker 25 Right.

Speaker 22 That's the determining factor. Tom Brady had no aesthetics.

Speaker 22 He couldn't run fast. He couldn't jump high.
Yes, sir.

Speaker 22 He didn't have no arm like Mahomes or Josh Allen. But what you couldn't see

Speaker 22 made him deadly.

Speaker 22 See, sometimes

Speaker 22 we look at the black mamba. The black mamba is not the most dangerous snake in Africa.

Speaker 22 It's not as dangerous as the bloom slang or the common brown in Australia or the western or the coastal Taipan.

Speaker 22 But he has the name. You see the black number.
Now, he will attack without provocation. Most snakes that are venomous, they won't attack without provocation.

Speaker 22 That's what makes him so deadly because it is one of the few snakes that will attack without provocation.

Speaker 22 Man, get that man a damn game ball.

Speaker 22 It ain't your game ball any damn way. It's like you buy no footballs.

Speaker 22 He got me hot up in here.

Speaker 25 See, hey,

Speaker 25 don't let your emotions get the best of you because you think you're mad right now.

Speaker 25 You think you're mad right now? Wait until Wednesday and watch the games they play.

Speaker 22 Oh, hey. Wait a minute, wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 22 Wait until Wednesday. You remember that song, Mocho? If you think you're lonely now, wait until the night.

Speaker 22 If you think I'm mad now, like you say, wait until Wednesday. All right.
They talk about America Cabot come out there and says, Dylan Gabriel is taking snaps. Boy, I'll break up everything.

Speaker 25 I'll tell you one thing. You might as well get to break it right now.
You might as well get to break it right now because you understand. You understand the NFL.

Speaker 25 You know the games that they play, especially when an owner has come out at the beginning of the season, excuse me, at the beginning of the season.

Speaker 25 Matter of fact, in training camp and saying a certain individual is not his draft pick.

Speaker 22 He said it. He did say that, yes.

Speaker 25 He came out and said it. So, what does that let you know already what the player is going to be for the foreseeable future as long as 12 is there?

Speaker 25 You know what that's like? That's like, you know what?

Speaker 25 A father allowing you to marry his daughter and his daughter always saying, you know what, you is not the one I really wanted, but my father arranged this marriage. So I'm here.

Speaker 25 Oh, she, oh, nigga, I'm here.

Speaker 25 That's it. That's all it is.
It's the same thing. So, Shador blocking that out, being able to compartmentalize, figure it out.

Speaker 25 I'm gonna, hey, listen, I'm gonna prepare the same exact way as if you wanted me. So, when my opportunity presents itself, it looks like it did today.

Speaker 22 Meanwhile, the rest of the locker room seemed to have a new sense of optimism. Here's Miles Garrett after the game talking about the 52-yard bomb that he

Speaker 22 had Miles looking shocked on the sideline because they had the cameras on him. Let's take a listen to what Miles Garrett had to say.

Speaker 35 I mean, he put it up, and I'm just like, oh, God, who is that even going to?

Speaker 36 I didn't even, I wasn't even looking down there to see IB.

Speaker 35 And then, you know, I'm just looking. I'm just like, oh, God, please.

Speaker 36 And he drops it in the bucket and he reaches it out.

Speaker 35 I'm like, please just don't fumble into the end zone. So he reaches out, but he is, you know, keeps possession.
And I'm just like, wow,

Speaker 36 there's not many guys in the league that can make that throw.

Speaker 35 So

Speaker 35 that was a hell of a throw. I hope he can continue to

Speaker 36 grow and develop for making plays like that. And

Speaker 35 they'll take it from there.

Speaker 22 Ocho, I was happy. Yeah.
I was saying, like, damn, you got to score scar man. Get that in the end zone, man.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 22 Oh, yo, I say, because now somebody else going to read, they go, they're going to...

Speaker 22 tush push or they're going to head into the running back and somebody else gonna get that tub man

Speaker 22 yeah

Speaker 22 it was a beautiful throw oh joe

Speaker 22 I'm talking about, like Kyle said, that's a bucket throw.

Speaker 25 Yeah,

Speaker 25 that was dope. And it's a funny, I'm always curious, too,

Speaker 25 when you think about it with him having a game like today. It's the fantasy makes the wrong decision, which I know he's going to probably do on Wednesday.

Speaker 25 Is a chance, even though the season might be gone, him losing the locker room.

Speaker 25 Him losing the locker room. Players seeing what's going on, understanding what's going on, and it's blatant.

Speaker 25 the veterans will probably say something they probably won't say anything publicly but i mean it it it it can be bad it can get it can get who knows huh i think the thing the thing is is that the locker room really runs the football team

Speaker 22 we know we know who can play and who can't yeah we do yeah man ain't no secret we might not ever say it

Speaker 22 That's not our place because we don't want to try.

Speaker 22 We don't want to cause friction or cause the dissension or division within the locker room but we know who can play we see your we see your ass every damn day every day

Speaker 22 every day and we see who coaches constantly have to make corrections for

Speaker 22 we see

Speaker 22 oh this mofo in the game

Speaker 25 hey you do realize right think about this right

Speaker 25 take take the take the names out of it Take the Sanders name out of it. Take the Gabriel name out of it.

Speaker 25 On what team is any owner, any head coach, or anyone in positions of power that did the drafting in that mother? I'm sorry.

Speaker 25 In the war room, are they allowing a fifth-round pick to outplay a third-round pick? In what world?

Speaker 22 In what world?

Speaker 25 Has that ever happened?

Speaker 25 And have and have us looking like a fool?

Speaker 22 Brock Purdy beat out Trey Lance. Mr.
Irrelevant beat out the third pick in the draft. But you see the difference? We made a mistake.
We own up to the mistake. This guy right here, Mr.

Speaker 22 Irrelevant, the last pick in the draft, he gives us the best opportunity to win. I understand that we mortgaged.
We gave a cow and a calf.

Speaker 22 You know, arm and a leg. A what? We gave a cow and a calf, an arm and a leg.
We gave all that stuff, Ocho, to get Trey Lance.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 22 But unfortunately, they found out that Trey Lance couldn't play dead on a horror film. So guess what they did? They said, Brock Purdy, we like what we see.
Yeah. Brock Purdy, it is.

Speaker 22 It's okay, Ocho. We made a mistake.

Speaker 22 You're not going to hit, as great as Ozzie is at drafting, he drafted two players that's on the 100th anniversary team of the NFL. Jonathan Ogden.
No, three. Ogden, Lewis, and Reed.
Red Reed.

Speaker 22 Three guys. Not a whole lot of people can say they drafted three guys that are on a team like that.

Speaker 22 With that being said, he's missed some too. But the one thing I know about Ozzie is that if he, hey, boy, hey, we drafted him to be what, but the guy came in as a free agent.

Speaker 22 The guy came in as a later pick. He outplayed him.
He said, I'll be a fool not to play him.

Speaker 22 He said, I ain't got that much pride.

Speaker 25 Oh,

Speaker 25 listen,

Speaker 25 it's a little different now.

Speaker 25 The pride is there. The ego is there because you're not going to allow, this ain't just any fifth-round pick.

Speaker 25 That last name carries

Speaker 25 a little bit of weight now. And it's a little different.
You know, we don't want to look like the fools that we purposely let him slide all the way to the fifth on purpose.

Speaker 22 You already look like a fool.

Speaker 22 You look like a fool when you let Baker Mayfield go and you tried to change him.

Speaker 22 You didn't give him weapons. Look at Baker when he got weapons.

Speaker 22 I don't care. I don't care your quarterback.
Now,

Speaker 22 unless you're like them exemplary, like you're

Speaker 22 a Brady,

Speaker 22 that can elevate.

Speaker 22 But everybody don't have that ability. You got to stop thinking, oh, my quarterback, no, everybody can't elevate players like the great, great.

Speaker 22 I'm talking about even amongst the great, there are tiers to greatness. Yes.
And Brady and some of those guys sit on that top tier that you can't even get up. You can't even get up there.

Speaker 25 Right.

Speaker 22 it's different yes different

Speaker 22 but dylan gabriel in 184 attempts dylan gabriel has one pass that's traveled 26 yards his longest player of the season should do a rollout downfield with a 53 yard completion in the first quarter one of the best uh offensive moments for the browns this season the locker room i think the thing is ocho is that being who he is being the son of who he is

Speaker 22 He's a very confident young man in his own abilities. And you got to be.
Everybody that listen, everybody that plays a professional sport,

Speaker 22 everybody that's great at something, forget sports. If you're great at something, you got an ego.
Now, I kept telling people this, and people didn't want to believe me.

Speaker 22 The greater you are at something, the bigger the ego is.

Speaker 22 The greater you are, I don't care

Speaker 22 whether you're Dr. Neil Elatrosh, one of the foremost orthopedics in the world.

Speaker 22 It doesn't matter.

Speaker 22 You have an ego.

Speaker 22 Thankfully,

Speaker 22 growing up in the household,

Speaker 22 he understands he's very confident in his own abilities. Let's take a listen to what Shadur had to say after the game.

Speaker 22 We got nothing to can

Speaker 37 but it's no excuse you got to go out there and perform like there's no choices no question nobody cares if this was one week of prep who cares you know so a lot of people wanted to see me fail and

Speaker 37 it ain't gonna happen you know it ain't gonna happen

Speaker 22 I like that oh Joe the remaining schedule they get the 49ers and the titans at home They go on the road to the Bears. They get the Bills at home.
Steelers at home.

Speaker 22 They finish the season on the road at the Bengals.

Speaker 22 Hey, they got to tell me, hey, hey, it ain't getting no easier now.

Speaker 25 No, absolutely not. 49ers is going to be a nice test.

Speaker 25 That's going to be a real nice test. I mean, it all comes down to that decision that's going to be made on Wednesday by Safanski.

Speaker 25 Whoever's taking those first team reps on Wednesday as you prepare for that 49ers game, that's your starting quarterback for the week. And

Speaker 25 that's what it's going to be.

Speaker 25 Bailey Zappi was

Speaker 25 promoted up to quarterback number two.

Speaker 25 And knowing them and the games that they play, knowing them in the games that they play, probably if Shador is not the starter, he'll probably go back down to three.

Speaker 25 That's the type of game that they will play.

Speaker 22 He can play those games. He will be starter.

Speaker 25 All right.

Speaker 25 I'm telling you now. Watch.
Watch how they play games.

Speaker 22 Ocho, there's a video of the merge of Geno Smith. He was getting booed by fans as he was leaving the field.
This is what Geno did after leaving the field, after hearing the fans' boo.

Speaker 25 Damn, I can't see Uncle only got one.

Speaker 22 He flipped him off.

Speaker 25 Oh, we did?

Speaker 22 Yes. The second time, remember they went back to Seattle? He did the exact same thing.

Speaker 25 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 22 He's a repeat offender. Gino, you know how this work.

Speaker 22 When you play good, they applaud. When you play bad, they boo.

Speaker 25 Y'all been playing like dog poo yeah yeah hey they need help too unc over there boy especially on offense

Speaker 25 hey on offense they they need some help i i like i like genti genti shows some flashes he really can't get loose like he want to but the raiders need a dog onk you hear me

Speaker 25 you heard me onk the rate the raiders need a dog i'm talking about they he need a dog like a dog i can count on like a good one matter of fact hey and since we talk about the raiders since we talk about gino smith right and they need a dog and they there's a there's a good dog that's going going to be available in the offseason, right?

Speaker 25 Too, um, yeah, right now. He wears a star on his helmet right now.
You know, he looks real good over there, and he fit what being a Raider is all about.

Speaker 25 Right now, he's wearing number three over there in Dallas right now. But I'm just saying, I'm thinking about that.
You

Speaker 25 understand what I'm saying?

Speaker 22 Look here, I ain't fooling with them. I'm gonna go somewhere else.

Speaker 22 You know how hard it would be for Pick to see what he's getting right now and to go deal with these jack legs?

Speaker 25 Hey,

Speaker 25 hey, um,

Speaker 25 I'm I'm just saying.

Speaker 25 I'm just saying. I mean, I don't want to go too far ahead.
I just want to throw that tidbit out there until we get to that piece calculator.

Speaker 25 What are we talking about?

Speaker 25 Looking like he's top five.

Speaker 25 Definitely. Come on, man.

Speaker 22 Well, right now, the best receiver in football is in Jigba. And we're going to talk about him a little later.
He went for a $1.67 today, yo, y'all.

Speaker 25 I seen him. In two more tubs.
I seen him.

Speaker 22 This man got, he done set the franchise record with sick with in 13 11 games can i ask you a question yeah

Speaker 25 jsn right yeah i want you to think about every receiver i had a wide out workshop right i had a wide app workshop every receiver that came to that workshop you know what they doing this year they're going off man stop playing with me man

Speaker 25 they're going off i don't need i don't need much i don't need much time I don't need much time.

Speaker 25 And now we just have two days. I'm telling you, all NFL receivers, I know y'all going to see this.
Come on down here. Holler at your boy in July.

Speaker 25 All you young receivers, one-year players, second-year players, rookies, third-year, I'm telling you, come on down here to Miami, man. I'm going to get you right, man.
I'm going to get you right.

Speaker 25 I don't need much.

Speaker 22 Before you go any further, we have breaking news. The Raiders just relieved Chip Kelly of his duties.

Speaker 22 Chip Kelly signed a contract to make him the highest paid offensive coordinator in football this offseason, but he was just, he was dismissed after just 11 games.

Speaker 25 God damn.

Speaker 25 Hey, that'd be sick.

Speaker 22 He's about to stay in college.

Speaker 25 Listen, somebody, somebody got to take the fall with this. Somebody got to take the fall.

Speaker 25 Somebody got to take it, huh?

Speaker 25 Obviously, it ain't going to be Pete. It ain't going to be the quarterback.
Okay, who are we going to blame? Offensively, we can't get nothing going offensively.

Speaker 22 So who's the coordinator? You call that a gadget-ass offense?

Speaker 25 What you call it?

Speaker 22 That gadget-ass offense?

Speaker 25 But this is the part I don't like. We in the middle of the season, right? You let the officer coordinator go.
So

Speaker 25 what plays we call it now? Or we have someone else calling the same exact offense? Because we can't learn a brand new offense. No, they're not going to be able to do it.

Speaker 22 It's going to be the same offense. But, you know, sometimes, don't you, maybe

Speaker 22 a different set of eyes.

Speaker 22 I like that. See things differently.
I like that. Down in distance.

Speaker 22 Area of the field.

Speaker 22 Or

Speaker 25 actually understanding the strengths of the goddamn supporting cash you have and putting it in the right places.

Speaker 25 Why is Tucker out there on the outside?

Speaker 25 Why is he out there on the outside as if he's a true, no disrespect, as if he's the true number one?

Speaker 22 He's a slot at best. He's a third.
He's your third. He's a third.
He's a good third or fourth receiver. He needs to be in the slot.
He don't need to be outside.

Speaker 22 First of all, Joe, he only like, well, how tall he's like five, seven, five, eight?

Speaker 25 Hold on. I know he's fast as hell.
But he out there lined up two yards outside the number running comebacks. Man, they finna sit on that all day, huh? Yeah.
They finna sit on that all day.

Speaker 25 Like, come on, man.

Speaker 22 Yeah, it's uh,

Speaker 22 hey, they paid a lot of money. They made him the highest-paid offensive coordinator in football.

Speaker 22 All right, time to let it go.

Speaker 22 If that worked, go back to college. You gotta have, you can have a great career in college.
Hey, and that worked.

Speaker 22 But, you know, you go out here and try to change guys, guys that have been doing stuff their entire life.

Speaker 22 Remember, the first thing he did, Aston Genty, he wanted to put Aston Jenny to put his hands on his thighs. The man been standing up the whole while.

Speaker 25 Hey, can I ask you a question?

Speaker 22 Yes.

Speaker 25 When you see Jameer Gibbs in the backfield, how is he standing?

Speaker 22 Damn near standing straight up.

Speaker 25 Straight up and down. Because

Speaker 25 that gives you, it doesn't comfortable.

Speaker 22 Nothing.

Speaker 22 I'm comfortable.

Speaker 22 What you need?

Speaker 22 Hell, I'll let you play some Uggs if you're going to tell me you're going to go out there and run for 215.

Speaker 22 I don't care nothing about what you got on. I really don't.

Speaker 22 Man, please.

Speaker 22 Thank you, chat, man. Ooh, chat.
Y'all doing us good tonight. Ocho, we got 50K in the chat tonight.

Speaker 22 This is not the first time we had 50K in a regular season game in a long time. Chat, thank you so much for this support.
Really appreciate it.

Speaker 22 Ocho, the Cowboys fall behind 21-0, score 24 unanswered points, and they win on a game, Brandon Aubrey's 42-yard field goal as time expired.

Speaker 22 Jalen Hurts said after the game, we got to find a way to finish the game, and we got to find some consistency in what we do. Definitely to tell the two halves.

Speaker 22 In the end, we didn't play a complete game as a team, and it got us today. We've got to own this one.

Speaker 22 Let that light a fire in us as a team and stay together and move forward.

Speaker 22 A.J. Brown been trying to tell y'all this.

Speaker 22 Eagle fans, A.J. Brown been trying to tell you what happens when the defense can't bail us out.
You cannot run the football.

Speaker 22 You're going to win games moving forward on Jalen Hurst's arm.

Speaker 22 Now, he got some pressure that he doesn't normally get.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 22 Lane Johnson is a big out.

Speaker 22 The center, Jerk is a.

Speaker 22 Diggy Zua was whipping ass inside today.

Speaker 25 Yes, sir.

Speaker 22 But with the exception of one game, Saquon has not run the ball this year. Saquon had 10 carries for 22 yards.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 22 Jalen Hurts had seven for 33. Bigsby had one for eight.
So that's 18 carries for 63 yards.

Speaker 25 This is going to be like this all season long, man.

Speaker 22 You had two.

Speaker 22 You had two turnovers.

Speaker 22 I mean, the defense was balling. That's an...

Speaker 22 Ocho, I was sitting there and I started to tweet. I started to tweet this, but I didn't.

Speaker 25 What?

Speaker 22 They had the ball second and 17.

Speaker 25 Uh-huh.

Speaker 22 They just run the ball, pick up four yards.

Speaker 22 Hey, how about trying to go for it and try to get nine or ten? Now we got something manageable.

Speaker 22 You run the ball into the line of scrimmage, and now it's third and 17.

Speaker 22 I think A.J. Brown or somebody picked up 12 yards.
Now, if you'd have picked up 12, if you'd have picked up five or six yards before, and now come back and get the 12, now you got a first down.

Speaker 22 First down. They give up on too many plays.

Speaker 22 Well, our defense will bail us out. Our defense.
No.

Speaker 25 Well, you know, what about not wanting to put the ball in harm's way?

Speaker 22 I mean,

Speaker 25 not wanting to put the ball in harm's way, but also being able to trust your quarterback to make the right decisions with the ball. They don't.

Speaker 22 I don't care what they say. They don't.
They don't. Because there are not a whole lot of people that have a quarterback that's won a Super Bowl MVP that on second and 17, they handing the ball off.

Speaker 22 They're going to throw the ball. Let me try to get half of it back, Ocho.
Now I got a manageable third down.

Speaker 22 I get all they say in Stefanski, excuse me, Sirian is going to say all this stuff. And

Speaker 22 I get all of that, but they don't trust him like they should trust him as a guy that started damn near his entire career in the NFL.

Speaker 22 He came in as a backup, he got the starting job, and he hasn't relinquished it.

Speaker 22 He's gone to the playoffs, he's been to two Super Bowls, he's won one, and he's won a league, and he won a Super Bowl MVP. They don't trust him like they should.

Speaker 25 Yeah,

Speaker 22 now

Speaker 22 this loss

Speaker 22 should get their undivided attention. Yeah.
Now, AJ ain't going to say this, but AJC, I told you.

Speaker 25 But listen.

Speaker 22 I told you.

Speaker 25 But also, look at the game in that fourth quarter. Look at the game.
Now, I know the Cowboys were able to come back, but they had about 37, 11 goddamn fumbles in a row in back-to-back series.

Speaker 22 Yes, Saquon fumbled, and then they punted it. Defense did a great job.
He fumbled too. There's only so many times that you can keep putting your defense right back on the field.

Speaker 22 They just got off the field. They give the ball to Saquon.
He fumbled it. The defense hold them.
They punt the ball. Defense right back on the field.
On the field.

Speaker 22 There's only, look,

Speaker 22 I don't care how much you build a levee.

Speaker 22 If it rains enough, it will burst. Yeah.

Speaker 22 And that water will come over that levee.

Speaker 22 Again, another thing that happened.

Speaker 22 Eagles.

Speaker 22 I just want to know how many penalties that you had. Oh, yo, they had 14 penalties.

Speaker 25 Yeah. Yeah, they had a lot.

Speaker 22 14.

Speaker 22 No, they had more than a lot, a lot of the parcel of land. They had 14.

Speaker 22 I mean,

Speaker 22 Dallas had 473 yards of offense.

Speaker 22 Dak was, look,

Speaker 22 this is when Dak is at his absolute best. Oh, yeah.
Because now he can throw caution to the wind. Because guess what, Ocho? If you lose, oh, well.

Speaker 22 But

Speaker 22 because, you know, when I worked with Dan, Danny and I, Dan Marino, and we

Speaker 22 worked together for a decade, for a decade. And he said, he's like, hey, if I threw three interceptions, hell, what's the difference between three and four?

Speaker 22 What's the difference between four and five? I'm going to keep letting it rip.

Speaker 25 Let it go.

Speaker 22 I mean.

Speaker 22 They should have put this thing away in the first 21-0.

Speaker 25 Listen, if you're playing Madden, you got to pass the sticks. The game is over.
At 21-0, I thought the game was over. Obviously, I had both games going.
I'm watching the Raiders.

Speaker 25 I'm watching the Raiders and the Browns. I'm watching the Eagles and the Cowboys.
Boom. Both TVs set up right there.
So I'm thinking, okay, damn. Boy, the Cowboys out of it, boy.
21-zip in the NFL.

Speaker 25 If you continue to keep your foot on the gas, it's no way, as good as their defense is, it's no way the Cowboys should be able to come back. But lo and behold, boy, they got a young dude out there.

Speaker 25 They got a young dude out there, man, in Dallas that got a star on his helmet.

Speaker 25 When he got drafted, he was standing just like this, huh?

Speaker 25 Man, listen,

Speaker 25 listen, when we talk about top five again, when we talk about top five receivers and understand their potential and what they've been able to do and how there was a certain team that might have been holding them back, based on what we're seeing this year, man, stop, man, stop playing.

Speaker 22 First of all, it shouldn't even have been 21-0. Ocho.

Speaker 25 What?

Speaker 22 CD, by the way, make sure you make curfew moving forward. CD dropping an ass load of passes, Ocho.
You watched it, and I've watched it. He dropped like four or five.
Hold on, how many targets?

Speaker 22 Hold on, let me go back. Because, Ocho, he dropped, Ocho, he dropped a flat-out touchdown.
He dropped it in the end zone.

Speaker 25 That would have ended the game. I'm glad they won the game because that might have been on CD.

Speaker 22 And he had 11 targets.

Speaker 22 He caught four of them.

Speaker 25 Huh?

Speaker 22 11 targets. He caught four.
He threw four or five of them back at Dak.

Speaker 22 I mean, he was, hey, he turned into a retriever. You know what a retriever is, Ocho.
You hunting quail or pheasant? Go get him, boy. He'll pick it up and bring it back to you.

Speaker 22 That's what he was doing. He's picking the ball up, handing it to the official.
No, no, no, no, bro. I need you to be a receiver.
We pay you $34 million.

Speaker 22 And right now,

Speaker 22 well, you know, you see, everybody says, we ain't got to say nothing. Y'all see with your own eyes.
Y'all see pick is out playing it.

Speaker 22 We ain't got to say nothing.

Speaker 25 Yeah, he's being lazy with his hands and eyes, huh? That's all it is.

Speaker 25 Being lazy with your hands and eyes. You got to reach out to me.

Speaker 22 He leads the league and drops, Ocho.

Speaker 25 He leads the league and drops? CD.

Speaker 22 CD drops?

Speaker 25 Oh, man. Hey.

Speaker 25 Damn. Huh?

Speaker 25 You sure?

Speaker 22 1,000%.

Speaker 25 Damn.

Speaker 25 Got to get that thing right.

Speaker 22 I mean, the last couple of games, hell, I thought that was Edward Scissor hands out there.

Speaker 22 Hey, uh, hey, hey.

Speaker 22 I mean, look, y'all see it, chat. I mean, Ocho and I, we make a lot of a situation, but y'all see them drops.
And I know Cowboy fans, y'all see it like, damn, CD.

Speaker 22 Come on, CD. You got to catch.
I'm talking about the ball beating him up, Ocho.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 22 He done got, what happens, Ocho, you know, you drop a couple, you're like, well, damn, do I got my hands right?

Speaker 22 Should my hands,

Speaker 22 damn, like this? Do I catch it like this? Now you start trying to body catch everything.

Speaker 25 It get in your head.

Speaker 22 He's gone.

Speaker 25 It get in your head. Listen, listen, I've been there.
Hey, listen, I've been there. So I kind of know what he's going through.
Now, it's just be one game. It don't be multiple.

Speaker 25 It don't be back to back to back. And a player of his caliber, of his caliber? Oh, absolutely not.

Speaker 25 The game was supposed to be over on that catch where it went through, it hit his belly and went through. And

Speaker 25 he looked at Dak and telling Dak, throw it out there a little bit more so I can get back and run to it.

Speaker 25 Come on, come on now.

Speaker 22 Over the middle, he dropped one over the middle. And damn, I mean, and he like, I'm like, bro, I'm glad you got some flexibility because when he go down, he all on his neck.
He all breaks.

Speaker 22 I'm like, well, damn.

Speaker 25 Hey. Hey, but you know, you know, listen, in baseball, some of the greatest, some of the greatest sluggers, they go in the slumps.

Speaker 25 I'm not making no excuses for him, but somebody like that that wear that double eight, he wear that double eight for a reason. Exactly.
He wear that double eight for a reason.

Speaker 25 So, boom, I had a bad game. Next week, I don't even know who the Cowboys got.
I don't even know who the Cowboys got. But I know next week, a four.

Speaker 25 Man, get that boy back in the rhythm, man, and get his confidence back, man. Put that thing back on him.

Speaker 22 No, I'm going to let him work on his confidence. I'm going to go to number three.
Because I know number three is going to put it in his back pocket for me.

Speaker 22 I know what three go. I know what three going to do come on you see that catch that three made which one

Speaker 22 hold on which one the one he made over two he he caught one and then 21 tried to swipe it but here's the problem the eagles got what because wherever eight at the ball gonna follow him

Speaker 22 jackson yeah whoever he guarding the ball following him now ador adora ocho i'm trying to figure out ocho Adora Jackson sets up inside. He has inside leverage.

Speaker 22 How in the hell

Speaker 22 you let pickets cross your your damn face?

Speaker 25 You're talking about on the slant.

Speaker 22 On the end route.

Speaker 25 Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 22 It was like third and 12. He's inside

Speaker 25 the one he had to reach up and go half of.

Speaker 22 You got inside. Ocho, they put you inside for a reason.
Yeah.

Speaker 22 If he beats you on the go ball, you like, coach, I mean, what you want me to do, you got me lined up inside. Yeah, that's on him.

Speaker 22 If I line you, oh Joe, if I line you up inside, you can't let him cross your face.

Speaker 22 Ocho, what did I tell you? What I've been telling running backs,

Speaker 22 I say, if a linebacker blips

Speaker 22 and you catch him,

Speaker 22 he's going to sit you in the lap of the quarterback and he's going to sack your quarterback. What did Kobe Dean do to Javante Williams, Ocho?

Speaker 25 Set him down back there.

Speaker 22 Ocho, you better close that distance. You got to realize he's coming from distance, so he has a head of steam.
You sitting there catching him.

Speaker 22 You better close that distance.

Speaker 25 You got to meet him.

Speaker 22 Hey.

Speaker 22 The Eagles, I tell you what. A.J.
Brown got the undivided attention.

Speaker 33 Yeah.

Speaker 22 Hey,

Speaker 25 he had a hell of a game today, too.

Speaker 25 Hey, they were feeding that boy early, too.

Speaker 22 Not enough. Hey, they were feeding him early.

Speaker 22 He should have had one of them chase games. He should have had 23 targets.

Speaker 22 Devontae.

Speaker 22 Devontae cooking

Speaker 25 both of them

Speaker 25 both of them head chef and assistant chef

Speaker 22 It's not gonna be

Speaker 22 what it was last year

Speaker 22 you throwing on the wide open guys because Saquon they're dropping that eighth guy down to stop Saquon

Speaker 22 That offensive line is not as dominant now Lane Johnson is out He's probably done for the year because it's reported that he has a Liz Frank So he's he's probably if he got Liz Frank, he's probably done.

Speaker 25 Excuse me.

Speaker 22 Yes.

Speaker 25 You're going to have to educate me. What the hell is a Liz Frank?

Speaker 22 It's a ball. Dancers normally get it.
It's a small bro. It's a, what is it, like the metatarsal? Like, in your in your foot.

Speaker 22 So this is your foot. It's like right.

Speaker 22 And he's going to play. Because he got the foot already.
It's his right foot. So you're going to kick.
How you going to catch? How you going to set?

Speaker 22 Can't. He's done.

Speaker 22 If what they're saying is true, that he has a Liz Frank injury. right

Speaker 25 I Might I might I might be able to do something do something for him for that

Speaker 22 Well, you might can do something after he have surgery, but you ain't gonna be able to do nothing for it right now with that being said on your look I think the thing is the Eagles just got to realize and I and I said we've been I've been saying this if you think you're gonna win the Super Bowl how you won it last year you're fooling yourself.

Speaker 25 No, you can't you got to evolve

Speaker 25 the way you won it last year, you're not gonna be able to do it the same way the next year. And obviously, you know what, you know how difficult it is to repeat?

Speaker 25 Being able to repeat is very difficult in itself. Therefore, teams have film on you.
Actually, every team you do play, you don't get their best shot.

Speaker 22 Absolutely.

Speaker 25 So the way you won games last year, you're going to have to do things differently. If you can't run the ball, you got to throw it.

Speaker 25 Even if it's not the makeup of your team, even if that's not what you guys do, things are going to have to change, whether it be the play calling, whether it be Jalen Hurts, Jalen Hurts taking the freedom, maybe taking the freedom and taking the reins out of the hands of Brother Petula.

Speaker 25 If he calls something else, and Jalen Hurts being an MVP, being a Super Bowl winning quarterback, you know what? You know what?

Speaker 25 I see something that you can't see from the sideline or I see something that you can't see from the booth because I'm actually feel side. I'm actually out here being able to change the play.

Speaker 25 Hey, Devontae, if you get one-on-one, keep your eyes on me. AJ Brown, if you get one-on-one, keep your eyes on me.
I'm changing it. Changing it to whatever they do best.
He man to man.

Speaker 25 Every time you see AJ and somebody bumper run that goddamn safety playing around and he anywhere in the middle of the field, I'm checking it every time.

Speaker 25 Every time, because every time you put it up to him, a 50-50 ball with AJ Brown that turns a 90-10.

Speaker 25 Man, stop playing, man.

Speaker 22 I mean, to take that. That was sensational.
23 of 36, 354, two touchdowns. That was a hell of an interception.

Speaker 22 That blanket ship. The one he picked on CD.

Speaker 25 Hold on.

Speaker 25 You ain't see the veteran move, huh?

Speaker 25 You ain't see the tug, the slight tug of the jersey to pull it.

Speaker 22 But you pull it and then you launch yourself forward in front of it.

Speaker 25 Hey, and it was just subtle, though.

Speaker 22 It wasn't enough to a slingshot, yes.

Speaker 25 Man, I'm talking about straight veteran move. That was beautiful.
That was beautiful.

Speaker 22 But look, the one thing we know about Dak, Dak don't lose division games at home. He had lost a bunch of them.
He might have lost one or two, but he don't lose a bunch at home.

Speaker 22 And like I said, and when he can throw caution to the wind, he's like, hey, we down 21-0. So what if we lose 35-10?

Speaker 22 nah hey let's go

Speaker 22 and

Speaker 22 they would they stayed attached just enough that we could sneak a run in here here or there with javante williams and so now we got a second and three we got a second and four i could do that just enough but the cowboy hey here are the cowboys schedule you got the chiefs on thanksgiving then they got the uh uh uh

Speaker 22 Then they play the following Thursday. They get the Lions.

Speaker 22 Then they get the Vikings at home, which is a Sunday night game.

Speaker 22 Then they get the Chargers at home.

Speaker 22 God damn. And then they got the Commanders

Speaker 22 on Christmas, which is in Washington. And then they got the Giants.

Speaker 33 Hey,

Speaker 25 they got a nice little schedule, boy.

Speaker 25 They got a nice little schedule.

Speaker 22 Nick Foles, Super Bowl MVP winning quarterback Nick Foles, who quarterbacked the Eagles to their first Super Bowl, critiqued the Eagles' simplistic route tree and play calling.

Speaker 22 When the route tree is simplistic, DBs know that. Kevin Petulo is probably a great dude, but there's an art to play calling.

Speaker 25 I said that last week. Yeah, L Cho.
I said it last week.

Speaker 25 Seth said it.

Speaker 22 But guess what?

Speaker 22 If everybody said it from the outside,

Speaker 22 why can't Sirianni that's inside, why can't he see it? Why can't Patulla see it? I mean,

Speaker 25 and I said it last week, you know, it's funny, and I understand the frustrations that AJ Brown is having, but if I can watch the Eagles game, right?

Speaker 25 And just, and this is, I'm just AJ Brown specifically, if I can tell you exactly where he lines up and I can tell you the route,

Speaker 25 if I was blindfolded and you told me exactly where AJ Brown was lined up, I can give you the two route combinations he's going to run.

Speaker 25 If it's two by two, if it's three by one, he's on the single side by himself. he got a slant coming.
No, I mean, dude,

Speaker 25 I mean, I give it to you, and I guarantee you, a whole game, I bet I won't be wrong, not once.

Speaker 22 Yeah,

Speaker 25 I won't be wrong, not once.

Speaker 25 It's too easy.

Speaker 22 They really don't let him run. They don't let him run, but a handful of damn routes.

Speaker 22 They'll let him run. They'll let him run the slant.
They'll let him run the shallow. The curl.
They'll let him run the over. Curl.
They'll let him run the deep ball if he's on the left-hand side.

Speaker 22 And occasionally, they'll let him run the comeback.

Speaker 25 Yeah, Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 25 We call it the 12-yard dig. Not 16, 18-yard.

Speaker 22 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you call it?

Speaker 22 The one that Pickett's called. Bingo,

Speaker 22 on a Jackson.

Speaker 25 What do y'all call that, though? What you call it? We call it a dig.

Speaker 22 Okay, okay. We call it a dig, yeah.

Speaker 25 Well, I mean, our dig is 16, 18. I forgot what you call the short, the shorter version.

Speaker 22 No, no, no. I mean, the thing is, it all depends.
Because the thing is, with us,

Speaker 22 if we, you had, the route was called. So let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, you needed 14 yards.

Speaker 22 If the route say 10 to 12, go to 10 to 12. You couldn't go deeper because it would mess up the timing of the quarterback.

Speaker 22 But you run that, or you call it, we call it, we call it an over.

Speaker 22 Sometimes, like, I would run what we call a far cross. 10, push to 22, 24.
Right. Got it.
Now,

Speaker 22 that's a far cross, Ocho. Okay, the first one.
Because I'm trying to catch the ball on the far side. Right.
Okay. Over

Speaker 22 What you think, you probably think of an over route, whereas 10 rolled a 12, 12

Speaker 22 break it across. We, as a tight end, it was a basic cross for us, okay.

Speaker 22 And I just

Speaker 22 they not gonna win a Super Bowl how they won it last year.

Speaker 22 You got to get defense offense, defense been carried in now. When y'all gonna carry, when y'all gonna pull y'all weight,

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Speaker 22 the Eagles got uh, oh,

Speaker 22 this was

Speaker 22 the Cowboys played the Chiefs on Thanksgiving.

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