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But first, the game that you just witnessed, the 49ers beat the Panthers 20 to 9.

Speaker 18 Kristen McCaffrey against the old team that he used to play for, that drafted him as the top 10 pick out of Stanford. CMC had 142 yards from scrimmage.

Speaker 18 He had 89 of those yards, 24 carries, 89 yards, long of 17, one touchdown.

Speaker 18 He had seven catches for 53 yards. So he's on pace, Ocho, to do something that only he, Roger Craig, and Marshall Falk has ever done.
Rush and receive 4,000 yards in a single season.

Speaker 18 All those guys did, they, those guys did it once. If McCaffrey stays on the pace that he's on, he'll do it for the second time.

Speaker 18 So something very, very special. Something Bears watching.

Speaker 18 Oh.

Speaker 18 Here's the 49er schedule at Browns,

Speaker 18 Titans at home, at Colts, Bears Seahawks at home. Yeah.
So they got a pretty nice schedule.

Speaker 18 They got, what is that, 1222. So that's a Monday night.

Speaker 18 They got the Colts on Monday night football. And then they followed that up NBC at 520 game.
So that's a

Speaker 18 Sunday night game.

Speaker 18 So,

Speaker 18 but this game, Ocho, ooh, Purdy.

Speaker 18 Purdy was pretty awful.

Speaker 25 Listen, not only was Purdy awful, though, he threw interception in the first half. JC Horn played out his goddamn mind.
The defense played out their goddamn mind.

Speaker 25 And the Panthers offense, it failed us tonight, huh? The Panthers offense failed us tonight. I'm not sure what was wrong with Bryce Young and T.

Speaker 25 McMillan and some of the receiving Jimmy Horn, but they were off. Their communication.
This far into the season, you shouldn't be having mental errors like that

Speaker 25 or mistakes. mistakes like that, especially in the passing game, because he's throwing the players that are running one route, and the players are going a completely different way.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 25 So, so a lot of players would miss. Down on the goal line, Bryce, there was no need to throw that ball.
But you've got nothing but green grass in front of you.

Speaker 18 But, Ocho, even if he throws, the thing is, you know, when you roll out, Ocho, you cut half the field off. So now they're flowing.
They know.

Speaker 18 First of all, down there, Ocho, you're not finna throw it all the way back pylon. You rolling to your right.
You've got to release that ball.

Speaker 18 You don't have to take a full roll because the further you roll, the field gets condensed more and more condensed yeah that's why the guy at the front side was able to fall off because you brought the bright side tight into him you got to throw that ball earlier yeah right you're gonna run out of real estate

Speaker 25 well he didn't he didn't even have to throw the ball at all oh you wanted to go ahead and run it in huh it's nothing but green grass in front of him nothing but green grass in front of him obviously his his eyes were locked in on on the receiver and on in the back of the end zone um outside of that it this isn't this isn't this wasn't panther football tonight this is not this is not the this is not the carolina panthers that we've we've been watching that have won the last five of their last five of their last seven games they they they they lost one tonight but um it wasn't good the defense did what they needed to do offense offense left off left a lot of points a lot of plays out there on the field yeah i i thought that i thought carolina got away from the running game a little bit too early uh they didn't have the ball a whole lot uh what looked like they had the ball 42 total plays that's not a whole lot but when you look at it ocho i i think the thing is is that let's let's let's talk to 40 dotters first yeah

Speaker 18 jennings when you run when you run that that over route

Speaker 18 if you gain ground you're gonna allow that cornerback to jet it or undercut you and that's what he did the dig route the dig route yes ocho you can't you can't run that no if you run that route like that if you gain ground he gonna jump right up under you especially somebody like jc horn jc

Speaker 25 someone that that that is as sound as him he has good eyes good discipline and he he gonna play he gonna he gonna he gonna stay on he's gonna stay on your inside hip every time yeah not only did he ride uh he rounded by damn near four four five yards

Speaker 18 i'm like you gotta keep you gotta keep because once i got him there ocho i gotta keep him on my hip yeah because if i let him up underneath on that square square in that's what it's called square

Speaker 18 it's a square in square out square in so on that square in ocho i gotta keep him on my hip yeah because if i give him if i give him any leeway

Speaker 18 he's going to undercut it or he might grab me and slingshot himself, grab me by my waist, pull himself forward, and knock you right there up underneath the throw.

Speaker 25 And you know what? Another thing that a lot of receivers need to get out of doing too, Uncle? When they get to them top of them routes, they doing all that wiggle.

Speaker 25 They do that wiggle instead of just getting up to your point and just snapping that thing off. When you play against a good corner, I'm talking about the good ones.

Speaker 25 And when you do that wiggle, all they do is they stop their feet. So if they stopping their feet and you sitting sitting there wiggling he gonna drive on it

Speaker 18 let me ask you a question though choke you can't do that with the good dbs let me ask you a question you run a gold ball like that no you get to the you get to 10 yards and now you all of a sudden you're doing this on the go ball no every time

Speaker 18 it's gotta look it's gotta look the same

Speaker 25 every time everything got to be even if you don't run full speed give the illusion Give the illusion that you are running full speed.

Speaker 25 Get the way you got to and snap that thing of all them tricks and all that. It works on your average corners.

Speaker 25 But when you go against the best, the better DBs, the JC horns, you know, the Passover tainted, the Denzel Wards, you're not pulling that off.

Speaker 18 No, hell yeah.

Speaker 18 They don't get that.

Speaker 25 Yeah, any indication you give them, they stopping their feet and driving.

Speaker 18 Yes, because that's the indicator you get. I mean, you know, you're taught to give an indicator to your quarterback, but you're also giving an indicator to

Speaker 18 the DB. Also, McMillan, there's a reason why we say you to keep your arms tight.
You see how he got his arms out? What did that DB do, Ocho? Put tugging

Speaker 18 where he would have have been right he hit 27 right in the chest that's why they tell you to keep your arms tight because it they grabbing anything ojo yeah always always they gonna grab and they're not gonna call every goddamn time they're not gonna call it they're not gonna call it but this was a really sloppy game i was surprised how sloppy the game was uh purdy did not look good tonight uh 23 of 32 193 one touchdown three interceptions uh that that was just awful that was just awful his defense bailed him out because they got the turnover and then Bryce Young comes right back and gives it right back to him.

Speaker 18 Look, Carolina really has very small margin for error

Speaker 18 because they're such a young team and

Speaker 18 they don't have

Speaker 18 top five talent at any position on the offensive side of the football.

Speaker 18 So with that being said, you can't do what they did tonight. You can't turn that ball over like that on the road.

Speaker 25 No, excuse me. You can't.
You can't, especially now with the way the defense was playing. You can't keep putting the defense out out there on the field, putting them in harm's way.

Speaker 25 Obviously, when they're getting stops, you're getting the ball. You had turn.

Speaker 25 They got three points off of three turnovers. They got three points off of three turnovers.

Speaker 25 You got to get more than that because they give you the ball back and give you the opportunity to not put the game away, but at least extend the lead enough to have a chance on the back end.

Speaker 18 And

Speaker 18 they give you short fields. Very short.
Yeah. You got to get something.
You got to get something more than...

Speaker 18 Okay, let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, you're only going to to get three out of each one. Okay, that's nine points.
But you got to come away with three turnovers.

Speaker 18 You got to come away with more than three points.

Speaker 25 Something.

Speaker 18 You got to. It'll be nice if you cash one of those guys in for a tud, but three points.
And like I said,

Speaker 18 I didn't think they ran the ball enough.

Speaker 18 I mean, you got Daddo back there. You got Chuba Hubbard.
Run the football.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 18 And I know you're probably thinking about, well, you know, they don't have those pass rushers. They don't have Bosa.

Speaker 18 You know, Warner's not in there. There's some things that we can take advantage of.
They don't have the most outstanding corners.

Speaker 18 Run the football. Yeah.
Run the football.

Speaker 18 That is your friend. When you're on the road,

Speaker 18 you need to run the football. But the 49ers, look, the 49ers keep their, they got to stay attached to the Rams and the Seahawks.
8-4 right now. So that's when they leap.

Speaker 18 They leap over Detroit for the seventh seed. Now Detroit falls back to the eighth seed.

Speaker 18 But they haven't had their buy yet. I think Detroit's had their buy.
Haven't Detroit had their by

Speaker 18 because Detroit's seven and four.

Speaker 18 So that means they had a bye already. Because the 49ers haven't had theirs.
That's why they're 12.

Speaker 18 Yeah, Detroit had theirs big eight.

Speaker 18 Yeah,

Speaker 18 the Niners don't have their still weak 14. to

Speaker 18 they're like, we might as well go ahead and run this thing all the way through. But yeah,

Speaker 18 it was a sloppy game, Ocho. I expected the 49ers to play a lot, will be a lot crisper than what they were.

Speaker 18 Hell, I thought Bryce Young, considering what he had came, what he had done, I mean, what, that 440, who was that against? The Falcons? Yeah, 44.

Speaker 25 The Falcons? Yeah, they were down 14 and came back.

Speaker 18 Yeah, down 14 and came back. So he had started to play really well.
I really like McMillan's game. McMillan is really good.
He can really, really play Ocho, and he's only going to get better.

Speaker 18 He's doing this in his rookie season. So I can just imagine in two, three years what he's going to be like.
Hell, he might, who knows? He might even take a leap like JSN did.

Speaker 18 Now, I'm not saying, look,

Speaker 18 I'm not saying that's going to happen, but he's on pace to have over 2,000 yards on 125 catches. So

Speaker 18 he's doing, he's, and he's in that zone right now. I just want to, once you, because Ocho, you know when you've got a special season going.
Yeah. Everything just seems to go your way.

Speaker 18 You catch every deep ball, a carrum,

Speaker 18 you catch him, everything just

Speaker 18 is just zen. It's just perfect.
Yeah.

Speaker 18 What happened?

Speaker 18 Trayvon Murray punched him in the knots.

Speaker 18 McCaffrey? Jennings. Oh.
Oh, that's why they was fighting, huh? At the end of the game. Oh, okay.

Speaker 18 Oh, oh, man. What happened?

Speaker 18 Jennings. That's why they were fighting at the end of the game.
The DB punched him in the

Speaker 18 foul pole.

Speaker 25 Oh, I missed that. I missed that.

Speaker 18 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 18 That's why, at the end of the game?

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 25 I was setting it up.

Speaker 18 That's going to cost him a fine. I mean, that's going to probably cost him like $25,000, $50,000.

Speaker 25 Wait, hold on. What kind of fight? We talk about a little shoving man.

Speaker 18 Well,

Speaker 18 Jennings was blocking him, and he bow.

Speaker 18 Okay. So at the end of the game, they got into a little tussle.
But, you know, they got cameras. So they see all that.

Speaker 18 The refs might have not caught it,

Speaker 18 but them 22 cameras they got, yeah, they caught it,

Speaker 18 yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, don't even, don't even, hey, save your time.

Speaker 18 Don't it hey, that Tuesday that you was gonna call in to appeal that, oh, yeah, go golfing, don't even waste your time, yeah, yeah, go golfing because it ain't gonna help, but yeah, this was this was a game I thought would be a little better.

Speaker 18 Uh, it wasn't clean, I mean, what you get, five turn, five total turnovers,

Speaker 18 sloppy game, sloppy game, but the 49ers win, moved to eight and four, Carolina 6-6.

Speaker 18 San Franc 20, Carolina, 9.

Speaker 18 Let's get to something that's a little bit more interesting. Speaking of the 9ers, Ocho, Shador Sanders was officially named the starter next week against the San Francisco 49er.

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Speaker 27 Shador will start this week. Obviously, you know, number one job of a quarterback is to win.
So excited to get that first win under his belt. And then next thing is improvement.

Speaker 27 And that's what young players do. Certainly young quarterbacks do.

Speaker 27 You get one game better, and that's just from working at it. So that'll be our focus.

Speaker 25 Listen, I like it. I like it.
Obviously, there's a lot of room for improvement based on his first game.

Speaker 25 There were some things that he did well. There were some things that he didn't do well.
But obviously, the most important thing is he won. He won the game.

Speaker 25 But based on what we did see and the potential that he will and can have is the promise. The promise that he can change the dynamic of that offense.

Speaker 25 Obviously, being able to throw short and intermediate balls, being able to

Speaker 25 check the ball down as well, but being able to have the deep ball as a weapon. Yeah.
As a weapon,

Speaker 25 just to keep defenses honest. So I think that's a great thing.
He's going to have a full week of work with the ones, ones, which is different for him now. And he can only improve.

Speaker 25 He can only get better from this point on going forward. So I'm excited for him.
I'm excited for the Browns organization.

Speaker 25 I'm excited for the Browns fans, you know, because he, I mean, Shador gives him hope. I'm not saying Dylan Gabriel didn't.
I'm not saying Joe Flacco didn't, but I think he just gives him hope.

Speaker 25 And it's something that everybody wanted to see, including the players that are inside that locker room and including the fans.

Speaker 18 I don't think he had a choice in this situation. You got to realize, Ocho, they had lost their last 11 games on the road.
They hadn't had a starter to win a

Speaker 18 start in

Speaker 18 17 different quarterbacks. They've had 42 different quarterbacks.
They've had damn near as many starting quarterbacks as we had U.S. presidents.
And you got to go back damn near 250 years.

Speaker 18 Hell, we've only had 47 presidents, Ocho. Yeah, they've had 42 starting quarterbacks since 99.

Speaker 25 So, that's crazy.

Speaker 18 26 years versus damn near two centuries, over two centuries.

Speaker 18 hey but i don't really know if they had a choice i don't know look

Speaker 18 i don't know if it was andrew berry if it was jimmy and d haslam i don't know if it was stefansky but his he show sung a different tune today compared to what last night and what he's been singing all the way up until this this is a different harmony here i ain't never heard i ain't never heard him sing like this before i mean this must be auto tunes hey listen you got to do what you got to do and i think honestly honestly i think that locker room i think they would have riot i think the fans, the fans would ride because enough is enough.

Speaker 25 I think that the fans are fed up. I think the people inside the organization are fed up.

Speaker 25 I think the players inside the locker room, this is what they want.

Speaker 25 So I think Stefanski

Speaker 25 kind of have his hands maybe tied behind his back, despite this might not be wanting the decision that he wants to make, but he has no choice but to make it at this point, especially with the way they're going.

Speaker 25 So I'm hoping for the best for Stefanski, that organization, and Shador.

Speaker 18 All I know is I've never seen Miles Garrett with this happy earlier in the season.

Speaker 18 Give me hope. Yeah, that's hopeful.
I think the thing is that, look, obviously, when you got a great quarterback, you got the Brady's, the Mannings, you got the Stafford.

Speaker 18 You don't hope. You expect.

Speaker 18 There's a difference between hoping to win and expecting to win.

Speaker 18 Right now, Shadur gives them hope.

Speaker 18 Hopefully, as he improves and gets better and better, he'll give them an expectation of winning.

Speaker 18 Now,

Speaker 18 some quarterbacks, you're like, well, look here, if the defense can hold him to under 17, if we can get a big play here or there, if we get a strip sack, if we can get a punt return touchdown, if we get a scoop and score,

Speaker 18 all those. No, it is hard to consistently win when so many things have to come into play for you to win.

Speaker 18 Shadour gives them hope.

Speaker 18 That's what he gives them.

Speaker 18 I think the guys believe that they can win the game with him playing that quarterback.

Speaker 18 And it's not like he's, I mean, it would be great if he had to score 35, but it's going to be hard for me to see an offense getting 35 on that defense.

Speaker 18 Now, it's going to be a great matchup because Trent Williams going against Miles Garrett.

Speaker 25 Hey, that's going to be nice.

Speaker 18 That's going to be a.

Speaker 18 Now, Trent's coming off of

Speaker 18 major injury after last year.

Speaker 18 And watching him, he's not his same dominant self.

Speaker 18 He's going to have to be on his best behavior because, Miles, what have we talked about? JSN is in that zone. Yes.

Speaker 18 You hear players talk about baseball players, they're in the zone, and everything slows down, and the ball looks so big. Basketball players, the hoop looks so big.
Yeah. Miles Garrett is in the zone.

Speaker 25 Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

Speaker 25 Listen,

Speaker 25 I don't think anything is going to stop him from getting that record, huh? I don't think anything's going to stop him.

Speaker 18 I don't want him to get 23. I want him to blow it away.
I want him to get 25, 26.

Speaker 18 I want him to break the record that when they think about it, like, damn, this man got 26 sacks

Speaker 18 in a season.

Speaker 25 That's crazy.

Speaker 18 Yeah, that's what I want.

Speaker 18 That's what I want. See, you say Bo De break the record by a little bit.
He put it at 958.

Speaker 25 Oh, yeah. Hey, is it going to be? I don't think anybody's going to ever catch that.

Speaker 18 No, I don't think so either. Not in my lifetime.

Speaker 25 No.

Speaker 18 Absolutely not. Unless he got a hurricane blowing behind him.

Speaker 18 That's the only way somebody's going to be. It's like Flojo's record.

Speaker 25 What was Flojo's record in 100 again?

Speaker 18 1049. Oof.

Speaker 25 But that's faster than some men.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 18 And she did that in 88.

Speaker 18 That's crazy. I mean, she obliterated the record.
I think

Speaker 18 Evelyn Ashford had the record at 1076, I think.

Speaker 18 I mean, come on.

Speaker 25 Right.

Speaker 18 It's like you saying you saying took the record from a sophomore pile from 975 to 972, and he went 972 to 969,

Speaker 18 and then he goes 958.

Speaker 25 Oh, hold on, 958 and celebrating before you even cross the goddamn.

Speaker 18 No, that was the 969 that he did at the Beijing.

Speaker 25 Okay, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 18 I still believe had he run through that, that's something that we're never going to see. But you have to be on the back of a thoroughbred to beat that time.

Speaker 18 But it was special. And that's what I want Miles Garrett to do.
I want Miles Garrett to obliterate this record.

Speaker 18 Because, you know, Gastonau, you know, Gastonau was complaining about it. People didn't like him.

Speaker 18 I don't really know enough about him. That was before my time.
He was a part of the New York Sack Exchange. It was him,

Speaker 18 Dan Kleco, Marty Lyons, and Abdul Salam, rest his soul,

Speaker 18 and

Speaker 18 Mark Gaston. They would call themselves the New York Sack Exchange.

Speaker 18 And then Strayhand got it, and they said, well, Brett Favre gave him that sack. So everybody was being and moaning about that.

Speaker 18 TJ Watt tied the record at 22 and a half. So, Miles Garrett, come on and get you about 25, 26, and put this thing to bed.
And then, hey,

Speaker 18 you can kick your heels up.

Speaker 18 A,

Speaker 18 get 26 sacks. Because he's on a, I mean, 13 sacks in the last four games.

Speaker 25 And listen,

Speaker 25 he's on a crazy pace right now. Like you said,

Speaker 18 he had a five sack, a four,

Speaker 25 a five, a three, and a three. Yeah.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 18 But look, I don't think Stefanski really had a choice. I think being going on the road and winning for the first time in God knows how long,

Speaker 18 playing as well as he did.

Speaker 18 He didn't need 300 yards.

Speaker 18 He needed to play well. He needed to show that he could lead an offense.
He needed to show that he could push the ball down the field.

Speaker 18 He needed to have command and give those other 50 guys hope and a belief that we can win with him under center. I think he answered.
I think he checked all the boxes.

Speaker 18 If there's some things he can improve on, yes. Of course.
And I believe he will.

Speaker 25 Yeah, of course.

Speaker 18 But based on what we have seen earlier in this season, I mean, he ain't looking to just check the ball down.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 18 Check the ball down.

Speaker 25 Check the ball down.

Speaker 18 He's looking to push the ball down the field.

Speaker 25 Listen, the check down, that's your last resort. That's your last resort.

Speaker 25 Obviously, what I do like from Shador and watching him, not just in college, but actually watching when he gets his opportunity to play, he did it in the preseason, is he will get back there and go through his progression.

Speaker 25 He will go through his progression. Obviously, he's not a dual threat.
So therefore, he has to be better at everything else when it comes to playing the quarterback position. Yes, correct.

Speaker 18 That's correct.

Speaker 18 Yeah, he's not a dual threat.

Speaker 18 He's a Tom Brady. Look, Ocho and I, we're not saying he's Tom Brady, but he's in that mold because he doesn't have the athleticism that a lot of these modern quarterbacks have today.

Speaker 18 He's a prototypical drop back quarterback. He's a Byron Lefwich, as part of the, because normally we think we look at somebody look like us.
Oh, man, that's Lamar.

Speaker 18 No, he's not. Nope, nope, nope, he's not Lamar.

Speaker 25 Nope. That ain't what he is.

Speaker 18 He's an old school drop. He's Warren Moon.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 18 That's what he is. Not Randall Cunningham, not Mike Vick,

Speaker 18 not Lamar Jackson, not Justin Fields, not Cam Newton. He's not Josh.
He doesn't have that athleticism. He's a prototypical drop back quarterback.

Speaker 18 Can process information and get the ball out of his hands.

Speaker 18 Yeah. Would I like to see him take less sacks? Yes.
Would I like to see him not bubble as much and give up ground? Yes. But that's going to come with time.

Speaker 18 And I'm sure the coaches are going to pound that into his head, son. We don't have to make every play.
Sometimes we got to see the next day.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 18 Let's not move out of field goal range.

Speaker 18 Let's make sure we stay

Speaker 18 in third and manageable. It's hard to pick up third and 18.
You might get one of those a game, but you're not going to consistently make a living picking up that count of down and distance.

Speaker 18 But I expect him to play. I expect him to improve on what he did on Sunday, although he's stepping up in competition.

Speaker 25 Yeah, absolutely. And listen, hell, I was wrong.
I was wrong. Well, I was definitely wrong because

Speaker 25 I was loud yesterday because I really thought, obviously, once Dylan Gabriel cleared concussion protocol, I definitely thought they were going back to him. You know, I was loud and wrong.

Speaker 25 And I was only loud and wrong simply because I understood how they played. I understood

Speaker 25 what it is they really wanted, whether it was the owner that has them, whether it was Stefanski. I saw the games that were being played, you know.
So I thought, you know, hell,

Speaker 25 when Buddy, when he clicked concussion protocol, ain't no way in hell they finna allow Shador to start the follow-up game. But hey, they proved me wrong.
Yeah, they definitely proved me wrong.

Speaker 25 So, I mean,

Speaker 25 I'm happy for him. I'm excited.
Listen, I'm excited. I'm excited.
I know one. I know one thing.
I'm going to be tuned in.

Speaker 18 I'm going to be tuning in. Oh, yeah.
I think everybody's going to be tuned in. Yeah.
I think, Ocho, look, based on the way he played yesterday, and considering they hadn't won a role game in 11.

Speaker 18 I mean,

Speaker 18 so it's been so long. A starting quarterback's first start with the Browns Browns, hadn't won 17 or up, 17 down, nothing.

Speaker 18 42 different starting quarterbacks since 99.

Speaker 18 So you can understand that any real light. I mean, I guess it's like, you know, if you live in a cold weather climate, Ocho, and the first time,

Speaker 18 I'm wearing shorts on a Tank Talk.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 18 And then next day you know,

Speaker 18 hey, I ain't seen it. What is that? Barrow, Alaska.
The sun just set, and it won't come out again until January 22nd of 2026.

Speaker 25 That's real?

Speaker 18 Yes. Oh, wait a minute.
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 25 Help me understand something real quick. For anybody that lives in Alaska, chat, y'all can help me out now.
Now,

Speaker 25 do people willingly live in an area where you get light six months and you get dark six months?

Speaker 25 I mean,

Speaker 25 what's the gist? What's the catch? What's the catch of actually living in that area?

Speaker 18 Some of them are born there.

Speaker 18 What the hell you mean? The kid?

Speaker 18 The same, yeah.

Speaker 18 Some people are born there.

Speaker 25 You dead serious?

Speaker 18 Yeah, for sure. I mean, some, yeah, sometimes they have daylight for 24 hours.

Speaker 25 Hey, but hey, we might need to take a little treatment.

Speaker 18 No, we don't need to do that.

Speaker 25 You don't think so?

Speaker 18 No.

Speaker 25 Damn, 24 hours is nothing but daylight.

Speaker 18 I like that. I like that.

Speaker 18 I'm trying to think. I went to...
Was it Ottawa?

Speaker 18 I'm trying to think

Speaker 18 about Canada. I went to Canada.
Uh-huh.

Speaker 18 for

Speaker 18 a Canadian football game.

Speaker 25 Okay.

Speaker 18 You know,

Speaker 18 I was walking out at halftime. I

Speaker 18 flipped the coin. Did something.

Speaker 25 Ottawa Red Blacks.

Speaker 18 Nah, they were green.

Speaker 18 Winnipeg. That's what it was.
Winnipeg. Winnipeg ain't green.

Speaker 25 Saskatchewan green.

Speaker 18 Well, maybe I went to Saskatchewan. Chad, where did I go?

Speaker 25 How the chat is supposed to know?

Speaker 18 I went somewhere. But anyway, I don't think the sun went down the damn four o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 18 I ain't sleep. Because I wait for the sun to go down and I still see the sun, Ocho.
It's four o'clock

Speaker 18 in the morning.

Speaker 25 That's crazy work. That's crazy.

Speaker 18 Yeah, but

Speaker 18 I couldn't. I mean, it's hard to say I couldn't, but it takes get some used to, ocho, because we used to sun come up, sun go down.
Your body is on a clock.

Speaker 18 But just imagine you get darkness for two months. Ain't no sunlight.

Speaker 18 It's a, It's noon, high noon, and it's midnight.

Speaker 18 No. Hey,

Speaker 25 I don't want to. I listen, honestly.

Speaker 18 That's where I better went to Saskatchewan.

Speaker 25 It was Saskatchewan?

Speaker 18 Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 25 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't understand how that's possible.

Speaker 18 Yeah, I think that's where I went.

Speaker 18 Yeah, I'll put my name in there and see if I went to Saskatchewan.

Speaker 25 Hey, Uncle, who you know over there in Canada?

Speaker 18 Huh?

Speaker 25 Who you know over there in Canada? Saskatchewan, that's kind of.

Speaker 18 those that know won't tell. Those that tell won't know.

Speaker 25 Okay, okay. I'm just, I don't mean to be in your business, but okay, my bad.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 18 My bad. Nah, I just, uh, I mean, I would like to go to Alaska, look around, you know, go fishing.

Speaker 25 Fishing?

Speaker 25 Boy, they got killer whales out there, man. We can go out there well.

Speaker 18 I don't give a damn about no killer whale.

Speaker 25 What?

Speaker 18 I want to go fishing.

Speaker 25 Ain't nobody trying to fish, man. I'm trying to go.

Speaker 18 Man, don't you want to catch them big old salmon?

Speaker 25 Yeah, yeah, but I want i we could put on the on the wetsuit and we can get in the water with the with the killer whales with the orcas no i don't like being in the water you can't i don't take nothing but showers

Speaker 25 you can't hey you can't swim huh oh i can swim yeah i can swim you can't no you can yes i can't get in that water man it's okay ain't nobody you ain't got to be shame i ain't ashamed i can go anywhere you go

Speaker 25 Oh, no, you can't. No, you can.
No, you can't.

Speaker 18 You can go anywhere you go.

Speaker 25 You can't, Uncle I could free dive, Unc. I could be underwater damn near four or five minutes.
You cannot do the things I do. I don't need no snorkel.
I don't need no tank. That's what I do.

Speaker 18 I've been swimming a couple of times.

Speaker 18 There you go. There you go.

Speaker 18 See, I'll try to tell you. I'm talking about how I've been swimming in the ocean.
And there you go. There he go, chat.

Speaker 18 Nah, I'm done. I'm done.

Speaker 18 I said, Lord, if you help me, if you help me get out of Glenville, Georgia, I ain't gonna be in no tub no more. No bathtub, no foot tub, no wife tub.
I'm done with the tubs. I ain't took a

Speaker 18 I ain't took a, I ain't took a, I ain't took a bath in,

Speaker 18 I don't know, 30 plus years, 40 years. Yeah, see, since I got, I put it like this here.

Speaker 18 Since I left my grand, well,

Speaker 18 I got a big garden tub and it got a, uh, it got the flower, the potty plant that I got. It's big.
Yeah. It's a morning lily.

Speaker 18 Got my grandmother flower in there. But I don't take no bad.
Like I said, if I were to take a bath, Pocho, man, that tub, that ring, a little like Saturn.

Speaker 25 Yeah, hey, but see,

Speaker 25 you don't know what you're missing, you don't know what I'm doing.

Speaker 18 I do know what I'm missing.

Speaker 25 Listen, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something.
I'm going to give you a small example, right? I want you to visualize with me. Chat, you're going to be a little bit more.

Speaker 25 Okay, I'm visualizing.

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Speaker 25 Okay, listen, hot water. You're running hot water in a tub, right? Okay, yep, it's quiet get you some candles you got some candles

Speaker 25 Yeah, it's dim it's dim so get you get your get you about four candles, right?

Speaker 25 Put your four candles in the fold in the four corners of the tub Okay, you light them up real quick.

Speaker 25 Yep, get you some music So that's the only light the only light is candles That's the only light is the candles get you some music Put the OJs on put the old

Speaker 25 okay oh uh Hail Melvin in the Blue Notes. You know, something like that.
Look, Frankie.

Speaker 18 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 25 Had a music plan.

Speaker 25 Get you some disc detergent. Get you some disc detergent.

Speaker 18 What the hell are you getting disc detergent for? I ain't watching no dishes.

Speaker 25 No, for the bubbles. For the bubbles, man.

Speaker 18 Man, get bubble bath. But come on, tell the story.
Come on, come on. Get your bubble.
Well, let me get some dawn then, because I'm going to need something to cut through this dirt.

Speaker 18 This reefs on my black ass.

Speaker 25 Get you some dawn.

Speaker 18 Had your music plan a long night.

Speaker 25 Think about it. We on nightcap.
Two hours and 30 minutes. You want to relax.
You want to relax. You want a mental reset.

Speaker 25 You want to take it all in, soak it all in, and prepare yourself to get ready for the next day. Get you a nice book.
Get you a nice book. Man, get in there,

Speaker 25 get in that water, man.

Speaker 25 Boy, you good. And sit back and relax for man about a good hour, two hours.
Man, you you straight.

Speaker 18 Man, I thought you had something today. I thought you had something else for me playing.
You talk about getting the I would do all that.

Speaker 25 Man, I wish I might get in the bathtub with some candlelight and some taste detergent and a damn book oh what the hell is this oh you thought oh well listen the lady that's that's on you that you you can have her but i don't want you don't need nobody to disrupt your peace this is the this is this is a moment of peace right now most of the time when you allow somebody in your space at times it disrupts your peace now if you want your peace to be disturbed you could bring a woman with you man

Speaker 18 Just yo, go talk about take a bath with dish detergent. Man, I'll be scratching all day tomorrow.
What you doing? What's wrong with you, Sharp?

Speaker 25 Hold on.

Speaker 25 You don't make a bubble bath with Dawn?

Speaker 18 That's what I do. No, I make a bubble bath with

Speaker 18 bubble bath.

Speaker 25 Oh, no, that's boy, you know how much bubble bath costs when you can use the goddamn dawn right out the bottom.

Speaker 18 I tell you what, you can do. I tell you, make some good old, make some good soap, make some good bubbles, or the ivory soap.
I know you ain't taken a bath with ivory soap in a long time.

Speaker 18 Ivory used to be the cheapest soap you could get. That's all we took a bath with.
We ain't have no, no, no zest or no ivory spring or any dope dub, none of that.

Speaker 18 right good old ivory soap it was the only soap that float so you put it in the bath

Speaker 18 put it in the foot tub and it'd be floating right yeah so they still sell they don't sell ivory soap no more yeah they sell ivory soap no they don't huh yeah they do

Speaker 18 yeah i ain't never i ain't never heard no ivory i heard a dove can't y'all better tell about ivory soap

Speaker 18 and you know man ain't nobody man ain't nobody have no ain't nobody have no money to buy no zest to buy no uh uh what's that other green soap dial Dial, dumb. Ain't nobody had no money to buy that.

Speaker 18 Irish Spring. I remember when Irish Spring came and that guy was saying,

Speaker 18 whistling.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 18 Man, I was whistling because I hated taking a bail. My grandma used to tell me all the time, boy, I believe you got gold in you.

Speaker 18 Hell no. Hey, hey, Ocho, hey, I throw the water up in there and run up under it.
I'm done.

Speaker 18 That was a shower for your boy.

Speaker 18 Hey.

Speaker 18 My brother tell him, Brady, that boy, that boy ain't take no bath. Get your blue.

Speaker 25 Hey,

Speaker 25 hey, how come when you was a when you was a shorty, man, you never wanted to get in the, you never wanted to take a shower?

Speaker 25 No, man, I don't know what that was, and that's for all kids, that's for all, including, including that, even, even with mine. Man, come on, y'all, y'all, y'all go get together, right?

Speaker 25 Man, two minutes, they come right back. Wait a minute, you took a shower that fast?

Speaker 25 No, you didn't. Come here, let me see behind your ears.

Speaker 18 Oh, bad, look here, girl.

Speaker 25 Go get, go get in the shower, please.

Speaker 18 Anybody want to take no bath? Because I scrubbed, I scroll.

Speaker 18 Hey, come on, wash my back. I go one stroke.
They say, No, I'm good. Because I scrub off.

Speaker 18 Cause my guy, you know what your cuz if you ain't get it right, hey, you got to take that, so you got to take that rag and go around that wrist. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, like that right there.

Speaker 18 You got to go behind them ears, yeah.

Speaker 25 Hey, hey, grandma taught me about the meals, boy.

Speaker 18 Get your get your ass back in that door.

Speaker 18 Hell no. Well, they were dealing with the days, little Joe.
But yeah, they got the ivory, the ivory soap. Hey, chat, know about the ivory soap.

Speaker 25 Yeah, I ain't never heard of that.

Speaker 18 Nah,

Speaker 18 I done took a bath with some tide or some stuff like that now.

Speaker 25 Tide? You talking about washing detergent?

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 25 When the hell you get tired from?

Speaker 18 We had to wash clothes. We had a clothesline and everything.
So we had one of them. Oh, look, we had one of them before we,

Speaker 18 you know, we got in the summer, me and my brother them was working and stuff pulled the money together We had that washer that was on the back So it had the tub in the bottom and then you pull the clothes through right to wring them out See we had a washing machine like that and we had a clothesline.

Speaker 25 Yeah, okay, I know about the clothesline. We had a clothesline when I used to be at Monty house and had to wash clothes and the Scott projects.
Yeah,

Speaker 25 auntie auntie auntie peaches and miss Lisa

Speaker 25 While you wash your clothes, you hang them out down the line, you go play.

Speaker 18 Yeah, but see, right there, see,

Speaker 18 we had to put Granny Underwear on the fence because she didn't want nobody to ride by and see them. So we had to put them on.

Speaker 18 Man, don't laugh, oh Joe.

Speaker 18 We had to put Granny Underwear on the fence. Yeah.
And you know, hey,

Speaker 18 that's another story. Make sure the clothes because the clothes be heavy.
You know,

Speaker 18 think about it. Me, Spanky, Granny, Papa, Libby,

Speaker 18 Gladys, Jane, Shermadine. All of them got clothes.
Yeah. So can you imagine? Man, we had to have sticks up there to hold a clothesline because it would wait the clothesline down.

Speaker 18 Next thing you know, clothes on the ground. Right.

Speaker 25 Now you got to wash all over again.

Speaker 18 Got to wash them all over again. But

Speaker 18 that was the old days. I remember they

Speaker 18 had to ball water and you washed them in a big old... I ain't going to tell you.

Speaker 18 That was back in the 80s. Washing them in that big ass pot.

Speaker 18 If you by age or older, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

Speaker 25 I bet your grandma. I'm going to tell you what my grandma had me do.
I bet you ain't had to do this, though. With that.
my white socks. Yeah.

Speaker 25 If I get caught walking with my white socks outside, knowing I ain't supposed to be outside with them, my grandma had a little washboard. You know, the little washboard?

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 25 Man,

Speaker 25 I had to get them socks, man, and rub and rub the black out on the washboard.

Speaker 18 Then yeah, but yeah, the washboard, the wood with the with the uh with the tea.

Speaker 18 Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 25 it looked like you could peel tomatoes with it.

Speaker 18 Oh, Joe, you couldn't walk around it. Forget outside, when you came home, you had to take your suit, you had to take your socks off.
You had school clothes, you had play clothes.

Speaker 25 Play clothes, yeah. Okay, oh, yeah, I had the same thing.

Speaker 18 So, yeah, you came home, you got out of your school clothes, and got in your play clothes.

Speaker 18 Well, and then

Speaker 18 I was the barefoot king. Now, my brother, he ain't never go barefoot.
Now, I don't walk around, I get up and go to the bathroom in the middle of the night.

Speaker 25 I put on crocs. You put on shoes?

Speaker 18 Yeah, I can't walk around barefoot.

Speaker 25 I can't do it. I'll put him some good days.

Speaker 18 Hell, if I go to the beach, I'm gonna have on me some crocs.

Speaker 25 The beach?

Speaker 18 Nah, but the beach you gotta go barefooted at the beach in the sand yeah

Speaker 25 oh no man you can't man how you gonna move how you gonna walk with crocs on in the sand

Speaker 25 oh that's that's like that's a that's a work that's a workout in itself

Speaker 18 oh okay

Speaker 18 tell me let me know oh joe let me know yeah yeah yeah

Speaker 18 man but making sure

Speaker 18 had he not been fired he and ownership were in sync and wanted to draft shadour sanders he says shadour wouldn't have fallen to the fifth round. He says Shadur was born to play football.

Speaker 18 He was one of our top choices. Mark Davis was on board.
We believed in what we saw. He was born for this.
If I would have stayed there, there's no way he goes in the fifth round.

Speaker 18 Ocho, what is your reaction to AP saying that had he stayed there, he and Mark Davis was in lock and step to take Shadur. And there's no way he goes in the fifth round.

Speaker 25 I mean, that's dope. Obviously, coming from Antonio Pierce, that's coming from someone with credibility, someone that's been not only played the the game, but coaching the game for a very long time.

Speaker 25 So he would have inside source in knowing exactly not only what happened when it comes to the collusion of him falling to the fifth round, but understand that if he was still the coach of the Oakland Raiders, excuse me, of the Las Vegas Raiders, he would have been the pick they would have taken because he wasn't a fifth round pick based on what he showed in college.

Speaker 25 And

Speaker 25 I believe him, honestly, because he wouldn't just come out here and make up a story like that, you know, pull it out of his ass. So, I mean, it's dope.
It's just unfortunate that wasn't the case. And

Speaker 25 he got to get it the hard way. He got to get it out the mud.
It wasn't given to him. So when he does reach that status and get that respect that he deserves, it will be earned.
It won't be given.

Speaker 18 Well, I think the thing is, look,

Speaker 18 when Pete Carroll came in there, Pete Carroll was very familiar with who?

Speaker 25 Yeah. Geno Smith.
Geno Smith in Seattle, of course.

Speaker 18 So he says, okay,

Speaker 18 I want Geno.

Speaker 18 And, you know, that happens a lot of times. Normally, when the head coach comes, he wants his guys.
General manager wants their guy. Yeah.
So

Speaker 18 Mark Davis allowed him to get... Mark Davis didn't want to fire John Gruden.
NFL

Speaker 18 didn't really give him a whole lot of choice in the matter.

Speaker 18 So now they've kind of been in the tailspin ever since.

Speaker 18 It's

Speaker 18 AP seems to think

Speaker 18 there's powers at play that had more to do with this than.

Speaker 25 You know that. You know,

Speaker 25 I'm not here to speak on that, but

Speaker 25 there are certain buttons that are pushed and no matter who you are, okay, this is what it's going to be. All y'all get in line or it's going to be a problem.

Speaker 18 Right.

Speaker 25 I mean,

Speaker 25 that's way above our pay grade. I'm talking about way above.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 25 That you would never, we would never allow anyone, no matter how big they may seem or may think they are, nobody is bigger than our program. Never that.

Speaker 25 And we're going to show you we can, we still control. Never mind.

Speaker 18 You know what I'm talking about. Yeah.
I mean,

Speaker 18 I was surprised that given Brady, Brady had worked with Shadur.

Speaker 18 Look, at the end of the day, this is a business. We understand that.
Friends is friends.

Speaker 18 We can set things aside, OJ. Yeah.
Friends is friend. Business is business.
But I was surprised that...

Speaker 18 Given that he had worked with Shadur on numerous occasions before, when Shador always like, hey, when he did, you know, this is Brady time, this is the time that, you know, you go win plays and you go make plays and you win games.

Speaker 18 I was surprised, considering that they needed a quarterback, let's just say for the sake of argument, you get Geno.

Speaker 18 Is Geno really the guy that you think you're going to keep at quarterback for 10 years, Ocho? No, he's not.

Speaker 18 Gino, I was happy for Geno that he got the opportunity to revive his career in Seattle and end up going to the Pro Bowl, put up some big numbers.

Speaker 18 Gino played well because it just didn't work out for him with the Jets, for whatever reason. And sometimes it happens like that.

Speaker 18 Sometimes we go to the first location, we go to the first job, it doesn't work there. We go to another job and we're happy ever after.

Speaker 18 But for whatever reason, it didn't work out, but he got a chance to go to Seattle. Pete gets relieved of his duty.
Pete goes to Las Vegas.

Speaker 18 And, you know, he wants Geno, a quarterback that he's familiar with, a system that he's familiar with. But I was surprised that, you know.

Speaker 18 I agree with you, based on what I saw, just my eye test,

Speaker 18 it's hard for me to believe that Shadur is a fifth-round pick based on what he's done. Just those two years, if you want to discount what he did at Jackson State,

Speaker 18 fine. You shouldn't, but I get it.
Well, that's that level of competition, X, Y, and Z. I get all that.
But based on just what he did in college at CU,

Speaker 18 that's probably at the latest the third round pick.

Speaker 18 I didn't say you got to take him top five. I ain't say, okay, you say you're not.
There's some things that

Speaker 18 you don't see the significant upside,

Speaker 18 the vaulted ceiling.

Speaker 18 Okay. But it's hard for me to see a scenario that he's not at least a third-round pick based on what he had done those two years at CU.
But now he gets his opportunity.

Speaker 18 And we'll see what he, well, he made the most of the situation that he had Sunday. Let's see if he can just improve on that and get better and better.
And then hopefully, you know, hey.

Speaker 18 This offseason, he gets an opportunity to go work and he can

Speaker 18 better, better, better, better, more familiar with the system. He had a whole whole off-season to work.

Speaker 18 I think he can do something really, really good.

Speaker 25 Absolutely.

Speaker 25 Hey, matter of fact, I just thought about another scenario.

Speaker 18 What happened?

Speaker 25 Boy, that boy over there with that star on his helmet, you know, come on, come on down there to Cleveland, man.

Speaker 18 Who started? Oh, oh, pick.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 25 Yeah,

Speaker 25 listen,

Speaker 25 all you needed, one, all you need is one good dog, man.

Speaker 18 Oh, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 25 Hey, chat what y'all think.

Speaker 25 You know, and

Speaker 25 I'm a Bango fan, but I always want what's best for pick, huh?

Speaker 18 For sure.

Speaker 25 Get exactly what he wants. Yeah, all right, but anyway.

Speaker 18 Oh, y'all, Jamar Chase apologized today for spitting at Steelers' defensive back Jalen Ramsey, spitting on Steelers' defensive back Jalen Ramsey on IG.

Speaker 18 He posted to my team, fans, the Bengal's organization, the Steelers organization, the NFL community.

Speaker 18 Please know I'm speaking from my heart when I say I take full responsibility for my actions last Sunday's game at Pittsburgh. What I did was wrong.
The circumstances don't matter.

Speaker 18 My passion for the game is no excuse. There's zero place in the sport or in life for this level of disrespect.
I want to personally apologize to everyone within the Pittsburgh Steeler organization.

Speaker 18 I let my emotions in the moment get the better of me, and I can only hope and trust you know

Speaker 18 none of it represents who I am, not as a competitor, not as a teammate or a person.

Speaker 18 I want to apologize to my coaches, teammates, and organization for not meeting my own standard as a leader of this team. This has been one tough season with some incredibly hard losses.

Speaker 18 We've all been frustrated, but in 10, instead of stepping up with calm class and leadership, I let you down. My having to sit out yesterday game make my actions even more inexcusable.

Speaker 18 I won't let it happen again. Finally, I want to apologize to my fans.
I do not take anyone who wears the jersey for granted. I take my position as a role model.

Speaker 18 I do not take my position as a role model lightly. As someone who strives to lead with character and authenticity, I should have taken immediate accountability for what happened.

Speaker 18 I am committed to earning back your respect, not with just words, but with my actions day after day on and off the field.

Speaker 18 I promise to keep learning from this and set higher standards for myself moving forward. With respect, Jamar Chase.

Speaker 25 I like it.

Speaker 18 I just wish, Ocho, I like it too, but I wish he'd personally said, Jalen Ramsey.

Speaker 25 Yeah. I'm sorry.
Listen,

Speaker 25 even if he didn't say that, he might not have said that publicly in that letter. I like that.
That was very tasteful. That was very tasteful.
What happened in that situation

Speaker 25 was totally uncharacteristic of who that individual is. Emotions got the best of him.
I guarantee you this. I guarantee you this.

Speaker 25 I talked to Chase, too. Now, I talked to him one time and I let it go.
Listen, young bull,

Speaker 25 take your punishment.

Speaker 25 Say your sorries.

Speaker 18 Get your apologies out the way and come back even better lock in and focus and do what you need to do i guarantee you he called jalen ramsey i guarantee you i guarantee he called him personally and apologized to him because if he didn't well that's good enough for me then after this came out i guarantee you ramsey would have said something about it i guarantee you would but i i know he did i know he i know i i can feel it i can feel it i just know he did because that's the type of that's the type of dude he is ocho but you put all of these other people in there why not put ramsey in there because he did it on his own man to man on the phone hey bro listen man it's it's hard ocho when you do it like that it's hard because the person that you disrespected the most you didn't even mention him publicly you talked about you talked about cincinnati you talked about the fans you talked about the steelers organization and the guy that you actually did that to he doesn't get the he and i get it i get what you're saying maybe behind the scenes but ocho he put this in a letter he put this on a post yeah and i i commend you chase i commend you kudos it was a mistake mistake.

Speaker 18 You let your emotions get the best of you. When emotions are high, logic is low.
And you said some things and we saw it in real time. I don't think he thought that the cameras caught it.

Speaker 18 But Chase, it's hard now, bro, to do anything without it being.

Speaker 18 The revolution will always be televised moving forward.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 18 But that's all. That's all.
Look, and I don't want to nitpick because I believe sincerely and genuinely, but

Speaker 18 there's an art to apologizing, Ocho,

Speaker 18 in order to get the full, in order to have the full effect of an apology. Now, change behavior is the greatest apology.
Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. I agree with you.
Wait a minute. Go ahead.

Speaker 25 Now, I heard you say change behavior. Now,

Speaker 25 what I do want, and I hope Chase see this,

Speaker 25 still be yourself.

Speaker 25 Don't change who you are in that field. Do not lose the fucking edge that makes you you.
I understand the mistake you made.

Speaker 18 I understand. Yeah, just don't go over the edge.
You don't have that edge.

Speaker 25 Don't do that. Don't go overboard.
But do not lose the edge and what makes you special because now you think you have to conduct yourself like a goddamn choir boy. That's not what the fuck we finna...

Speaker 25 I'm sorry. That's not what we finna do.

Speaker 25 Absolutely not. You continue to remain that same dog, that same edge, that same

Speaker 25 confidence that you carry wearing that goddamn one. I know you got that C on your chest, but don't lose what makes you special.
Continue to play with that same edge. You made a mistake.

Speaker 25 You apologized for it. I'm sure you talked to Ramsey and apologized to him, even though Unk and others might want it to be publicly, you know,

Speaker 25 that apology to be public to him. But, but,

Speaker 18 I say,

Speaker 18 I said this

Speaker 18 and I believed it at the time. I said, he's going to apologize because he's going to see what we saw, what the world saw.

Speaker 18 Now, he could hide around and say, well, you know, because I don't think he thought nobody saw it, Ocho. He didn't.

Speaker 18 And I get it. I get it.
Like I said, when emotion is high, logic is low. Yeah.

Speaker 18 But all I'm saying, and I know, Chad, i might be nitpicking but i just wish he would have mentioned rambly ram a ramp jalen and to jalen ramsey and his family i would like to personally apologize to you and maybe you're right maybe he's done that off camera and i'm cool after this after we address this tonight i'm done i'm done with i won't have anything else to say about it but i'm just saying i just think i just think for me an apology i gotta at least i gotta at least at least apologize to the party that i offended I understand organizations.

Speaker 18 I understand the NFL. I understand the Bengals.
I understand the NFL. I understand the Steelers organization.
I understand the fans. But you know what? The guy that this act happened to.

Speaker 25 Yeah, but dudes ain't worried about that, huh? I mean, you thinking as in your position, we talk about players. Players ain't worried about, oh, you need to apologize to me publicly.

Speaker 25 Nah, niggas ain't, oh, excuse me. Them boys ain't worried about that.
Hey, man, hey, bro.

Speaker 18 Man, listen.

Speaker 25 I'm telling you how they think. They ain't worried about no public apology.
Man,

Speaker 25 bro, hit my line. He apologized.
Hey, man, listen, we're squashing it. I'm going to see you when

Speaker 25 we play all in three more weeks. Case close.

Speaker 18 Ocho, let me ask you this. You do a real apology.
It's not for the individual. It's for you.

Speaker 18 You see the

Speaker 18 personal.

Speaker 18 It's not the apology because

Speaker 18 the act is already done. You just need to

Speaker 18 apologize so you can move forward. I guarantee, like I said, I'm going to take you at your word that he possibly

Speaker 25 called Ramsey. I know he did.
I I know he did. I promise you, I'm telling you, he did, but I'm just saying, knowing Ramsey, hold on, not knowing Ramsey too, you know,

Speaker 25 just knowing how knowing how them boys think, knowing how they act, and they ain't worried about, oh, he apologized to me. They don't care nothing about that.
Man, young bull, man, hit my line.

Speaker 25 Hey, bro, listen, I apologize.

Speaker 18 I don't know, Ocho.

Speaker 18 There are certain things that I could, I could, I mean, I think there's certain things that you don't have to do, but something as disrespectful as that, and we started to see an escalation of this, not just at the professional professional level but we saw it at college the other night two i'm like when did like i said maybe it was the camera maybe this happened a lot when we played and the cameras weren't there to catch it maybe that's what happened oh yo maybe that's what happened but they listen they not they built different they ain't worried about that you know with if there was an issue there's a problem

Speaker 25 and they handle their business a little different they ain't worried about no you know saying it publicly and all that well then why did he apologize then if he wasn't worried about none of that why did he apologize

Speaker 18 i'm saying yeah i'm saying you speaking on it having him not mentioning ramsey's name when ramsey probably didn't worry about no goddamn letter when i'm telling you buddy probably hit him hit his line i'm telling you but i'm just saying i mean it's hard to have a public apology when the party that was offended doesn't get mentioned that's all i'm saying we can move on we're gonna need to we're gonna agree to disagree on that one that's all i'm saying that's all i'm saying oh joe i'm not trying to belabor the point but i'm saying the offended party didn't get mentioned he mentioned the team the party's team that they play for.

Speaker 18 They mentioned the league that they played in. He mentioned the team.
He mentioned his fans around the NFL. But the party that was offended doesn't get mentioned.

Speaker 18 That's the only thing I'm saying. And chat, maybe I'm being, maybe, maybe, maybe I'm being a little extra.
Yeah,

Speaker 25 a little bit. A little bit.

Speaker 18 A little bit.

Speaker 25 A little bit. Hey,

Speaker 25 when they play again, when they play again,

Speaker 18 when do they play again? Two weeks?

Speaker 18 Daniels played the Ravens on Thursday. Oh, they played Thursday.
They played Thanksgiving.

Speaker 18 No, they played the Ravens. Oh, they played Ravens.
They played the Steelers again? They just played the Steelers, right?

Speaker 18 They got one more game. They're done.

Speaker 25 Oh, that's it? Okay.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 18 Yeah. So we go, hey, Chase,

Speaker 18 like I said, I had a few interactions with you, bro. Have the utmost respect.
Emotions got the best of you. Hey, just move forward.
Learn from this mistake. Don't let it happen again.

Speaker 18 Keep your head up, chest out, keep moving forward.

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