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Little criminal. Yeah, that's nice.

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Ain't no criminal coming this year. Santa Claus, Santa Claus got laid off.

But

that was a very

11.

Oh, yeah. Trevor Harris.
Oh, yeah, he went over.

Because he's rushing at receiving. Rushing at receiving.
Oh, Joe, as I mentioned before, the Patriots beat the Giants by the score of 33-15. New England led 30-7 at the half.
Giants special teams.

Guess what? Marcus Jones, who will be the all-pro return of this year, a 94-yard point return to really break it open. And Christian Ellis.
Boy, he unlooked. Ocho, I told you.

I told you last night. You say he goes.
I said, Ocho, he ain't learned his lesson yet. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no.
He ain't his lesson.

You see how he went flying? Check. When you see a guy going flying like that, that means he's totally relaxed.
He didn't brace himself.

So he's running because when they teach you to sprint, what they tell you to do? Relax.

So he's totally relax.

This is the only time they get you're a runner. Yeah.
They can't hit you like that. No other time.
Right. They're not going to pull up.

They are going to try to unload. And boy, he had a

Jackson Dart must have had an air tag on him. Because boy, when he honed in on him, he,

yeah. I don't even know what an air tag is, but I hear people talking about it.
Yeah. I hear people talking about air tags and they can find somebody's location.

Well, when he found his location, and then guess what, Ocho? You see him on the kickoff? Yeah. Go to sleep.
Yeah. Did he caught him? Hey,

Jackson Dart has to have to be safe. He has to be safe.
He's a special player. He's going to be special.

What he can do when he has the ball in his hands, being able to extend plays, make things happen off a script outside of the scheme.

outside of the plays that are called, he's going to be good. But he has to learn to protect himself and know when the journey's over.

It's okay to step out of bounds. It's okay to slide.
You don't have to be taking on DBs. You don't have to take on linebackers and prove that you're tough.
That team, that team is going to be good.

Once they get Malik back, once they get Scatterboat back, they're going to be nice. I think they're right to make it.

Maybe get a

playmaking safety or corner. I think maybe an offensive line, but because I think they have the pieces, Ocho.
I do think they have pieces. The Patriots are really, really good.

The one thing, they're really, really well coached. We know that about Brayman.
Yes, sir. We saw that in Tennessee.
Tennessee, y'all made a big mistake. Y'all made a big mistake.

You should have never let this man out of the building. Coaches like him don't come along often.
No. You let Derrick Henry out the building.
You let

A.J. Brown

out of the building. Yeah.

You can't keep having turnover like that. You can't be personal.
I mean, because

if you get too involved as an owner, it becomes personal. You're going to get rid of the guy.
And I think that's why the Patriots were so was lasted so long is that Mr. Kraft stayed away.

He didn't let his personal feelings, what he thought about Coach Belichick get involved, and then you can let things blossom the way they should be.

But, man, when you look at them, Drake may

24-31, Ocho. 282, two touchdowns.
You've got a 29-carriage,

a buck 19. Hunter Henry, four for 73.
Ramondre Stevenson, three for 30, 3 for 40, excuse me. Boute

had 4 for 35 and 1. Kyle Williams had 1 for 33 and 1 tuck.

They are very good. Very.

Look, they ain't got nobody that. They don't got no big name receives that jump off the board at you, Ocho.
They ain't got, hey, Drake May has, but they got that guy. Yeah.

See, if you got that guy, Ocho.

I don't think people understand how good Drake May has been. Like, obviously, I knew he was good.
I didn't know he was this good, huh? Yeah. I didn't know he was good.
Hey, I agree.

I think he has a completion percentage of about almost damn near 70%.

Yeah. 70% dating back to last year.
And I'm not talking about 70%. Completion percentage throwing screen, not bubble screens, not check downs, not throwing to the running back.

Hunter about plays over 20 yards, 20 yards or better. And that lets me know, for one, he's not scared to let it rip.

Not only is he not scared to let it rip, he is insanely accurate with the ball as well. Yep.
So, and you know what I like about the receiving core? You say they don't have a superstar receiver.

They don't have a true number one. But every game, somebody else shows up.

Every game, somebody else.

Huh? The guys fit. Yes.
They fit. You look at, he had three completions over 30 yards.
He had a 36-yard to Hunter Henry, a 36-yard to Ramondre Stevens. Yes.
And he had a 33-yard of the Kyle Williams.

He had one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. He had nine completions of at least 10 yards.
So that tells me, Ocho, that he's unafraid to push the ball down the field. Down the field.

Yeah. Look, there's going to be times you screen the ball, Ocho.
I get that. You're going to run screen to the running back.

You're going to run a smoke screen or a jailbreak screen, bubble screen, whatever they call them now.

now you're going to run that but at the end of the day at some point in time you're going to have to take chances down the field you're going to have to push the ball down the field and he's unafraid to push the ball down the field give josh mcdaniels extreme credit look he might not be a great head coach but he's an unbelievable offensive coach unbelievable yeah very unbelievable he puts guys in the right position and everybody has flourished under him look i throw tom brady out because tom brady flourished under everybody but when you look at what he's done with mac jones you look at what he did with jimmy garoppolo you look at what he did with Jacoby Brissett, you look at what he did with Matt Jones, now you look at what he's doing with Drake May.

His ability to get the quarterback to understand

what he wants and the quarterback to be an extension of the offensive coordinator on the field

is second to none. They're like, look, Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay and Andy Reid.
Yes. But Josh McDaniel doesn't have to take a back seat to any of them.
No, no, absolutely not.

Because he has success with every quarterback he's touched. Every quarterback he's had to deal with, they've had success on the field.

And like you said, the quarterback has always been an extension of him.

And outside of the GOAT being Tom Brady, the fact that he's been able to do it with everyone he's been a part of says a lot about him being the quarterback whisperer. Yeah.
And wasn't he the guy?

Was he, was he the, was he the OC when Matt Castle?

You know, I'm not sure.

Was it him?

It was him because then he went up going to Denver. If I'm not mistaken.
Oh, and

he was the head coach in Denver. Because Charlie Weiss left and went to know the name,

yeah.

Okay,

wasn't

that been 2000 and

they lost the Super Bowl in 07.

You sure wasn't him? It wasn't Bill O'Brien, which one? That's what I'm saying. It might have been him, or it might have been him or Bill O'Brien, right?

But he left and went to the Broncos. It was a head, he might have gone to the Broncos in nine, though.

Yeah, 08 was the game. Oh, 08 wasn't like that.
So it was him that lost that the Super Bowl. Who who lost the Super Bowl? Bill O'Brien?

Okay, yeah, okay.

So

it's uh he he he his ability to to to

have a vision of what he wants his offense to look like and to communicate that with the quarterback and get the quarterback on the same wavelength so they see things eye to eye. Yes.

He's he's he's unbelievable. Like I said,

he's been a lot of places as a head coach, and it doesn't work. But play calling when he's just responsible for one thing, the offense,

Ocho. Yeah, listen, he's one of the best.
He's one of the best.

Ocho. Yo.
We saw something tonight, Ocho.

I hadn't seen this since Peanuts. The last time I see somebody miss a ball like this, it was Charlie Brown.
But Lucy moved it. Wait a minute.
What happened? Did you see the kicker?

Oh, you talk about my dog, young-ho?

Yeah. Hey, hey, I'm not sure.

You got to keep your eye on the ball. You got to keep your eye on the ball.
And listen, me, me as a kicker, you know, I understand. The one thing you do, you should never be able to miss a kick.

You should never be able to stub your toe. It's all about the foot, hand.
I'm talking about the foot and the foot and eye coordination. Like, oh, you do that so often.
How does that even happen?

Not by, oh, okay. Let's, because we've seen guys, they get too much of the ground and they kick the ball and it doesn't go through.
We ain't seen nobody miss the whole damn ball and just don't.

Hey, uncle. And the holder looking back, the holder, like, hold on.
You got me down in this down position. They about to tear my ass up.
Let me get up out of here. Yeah.

Hey, hey, I've never seen that. Listen, I've never seen that in all my years of playing football.

I've seen him hit the dirt. Like, you know, when you swing the T and you catch the dirt before you hit the ball.
Yes, yes.

I've seen that. But I've seen stub your toe and not even make contact with the ball at all.
That's the first.

I saw, look, I've seen guys kick the ball low and kick the guy in the ass. They're snapping the ball to him.
I've seen guys get hit in the head with the ball that's kicking it.

But I've never seen, he missed the entire ball. Orcho, he wasn't even close to kicking the ball.
No, not even close. Not even close.

And I'm with Jackson Dart. Jackson Dart, like, what the? Yeah, that's what I said too.
That's exactly what I said. Yeah.
What the F?

I'm like, bro.

I'm hoping hoping that

doesn't cost him his job.

He lost his job in Atlanta. Atlanta, yeah, yeah, but missing kicks.
He went somewhere else and shanked some kicks. Yeah.

Damn. You know, it's look.

You have to have mental toughness to play a professional sport and to be good at it. Yes.
But when you get them demons as a kicker,

it's like a golfer. You get the David Duvall in Baker Finch.
You see guys, you see guys, second baseman, Chuck Loblock. They couldn't throw the ball to first base.
They play at second base. Yeah.

They couldn't throw it. Yeah, but Rick ain't killed.
He was a pitcher. He had to move to the outfield, Ocho, because he couldn't get.

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You got a problem. You have to understand

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Games are one and lost, and you can change the trajectory of a game and it's ending on on your leg. You don't have opportunity to be making those kind of mistakes,

especially in games of importance. Now, it's a bad thing that the goddamn Giants are 2-11.

So, I mean,

it doesn't make any sense.

But coaches want consistency at that one position.

If I have to be able to count on one thing, it's having a kicker that can be consistent for me and always give us points once we get in field goal range.

They might not be good right now, but I want to be around when they do get good so I get an opportunity to kick.

But doing stuff like this here, guess what, Ocho? They saying I got to go into the market. I got to get me another kicker.
I got to get me a kicker. Yeah.
Because

the one that we have, he isn't reliable. Right.
And I've got to be able to count on you. Because more times than not, these are one possession games.
Yeah.

You might have to kick the ball to get us into overtime. You might have to win it.

We don't know. Right.
But I need to be able to trust you.

I can't go out there. Lord, have mercy.
Please let him make this kick. Every time you go out there, I mean, I'm going to have to pray every once in a while.

But if I got to pray every time you go kick, I got to pray for the PAT. I got to pray for the field goal.
I got to pray you don't kick it out of bounds.

That's true.

I don't mind praying, Lord.

Don't take this the wrong way. I don't mind praying.
But I want to use some of those prayers for something beneficial. Yeah.
Right. You know what, you know what's funny too?

Also, when it comes to kickers in the NFL, I know there's 32 of them. They're 32 teams.
They're 32 kickers. But they just like quarterbacks, huh?

They're like, they're just like, I'm talking about the good quarterbacks.

I'm not talking about your regular, your Aubreys in Dallas, your Cam Willis, your McPhersons, you know, those top dudes. It's hard to find those that are consistent.

Hell, if you play for the goddamn Cowboys, you get to the 50, 50-yard line. Wait, you're not even, no, you get to the 40-yard line, not even your 40.

Yeah, 16.

You in range. Yep.

You in range.

McPherson, Cincinnati kicker. He just hit 65 not too long ago.

You get to the 50, you in range. Yeah, Cam Little killed a 65.
Cam Little. Cam Little.

Yeah, Cam. That's what I meant.
Cam Little.

Hey, man, come on, man.

It's only a few of them.

You're right.

But, yeah,

that was a, like I said, I could be in the minority chat. But I don't think the Giants are as far as people think they are.
Nah. I think they got guys.

I think, you know, Brian Burns and Dexter Lawrence coming coming along. Thibodeau is out.
Thibodeau normally. Was he out today? Because I didn't see him.
I didn't see him. I think he's hurt.

I don't know if he's going to be back.

I don't know if they picked up his option, Ocho, his fifth-year option. So I'm not sure he's going to be back.
And then plus the fact that you got Abdul Carter.

You took him with the second pick, third pick in the draft. So there's a likelihood that you're probably going to move on from Thibodeau.
I'm not sure.

But you got Brian Burns, who you played a lot of money for. You got a lot of money tied up in your life.

He got a a lot of sacks, too, now. Who that? Brian Burns.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm saying.
So you got pieces that you can build around. You got it.

Like I said, Dex DeLawrence is the top defensive lineman. You got Bryan Burns, who's a top edge rusher.
You drafted Abdul Carter with the hopes that he could be the opposite of Brian Burns.

So you have guys that can play off each other. Like the Broncos got Bonito and Cooper, or you got Verse and you got Young at the Rams.
You got guys that can play off of each other.

And so you slide the protection one way. I get one-on-one.

Somebody got to eat.

I think the Giants are really, really close. I just think the quarterback needs to be a little smarter.

Live to see another day. You got to know when the journey is over.
Everything, hey, everything, I get it.

If it's a situation like in the Super Bowl where John had to do the helicopter, that's one thing.

But in a game like this here, you're on the sideline, bro.

How do you go out of bounds and be two yards short as opposed to get the first down and take that shot? Because, bro, you're not built for that. You're not built to take those kind of shots.

Nope, not at all. Not at all.

He's exciting, though.

He's exciting to watch. Ocho, Mike Kafka was asked why Abdul Carter didn't play the first quarter.
It was just my decision not to play him. This is the second time in three weeks.
Yes, sir. Ocho.

You got drafted guy the third pick in the draft. Ain't no way you just make a decision to arbitrarily sit him out.
Well, obviously, something happened. It was discipline, this discipline reasons.

We don't know exactly what it was. Oh, Joe, he got disciplined a couple of weeks ago.

What's not resonating to him?

I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. You know,

remember, he fell asleep and missed the walkthrough. Yeah.
Oh, you know, hey, things happen. Yada, yada, yada.
It ain't going to happen again. Lesson learned.
Boom, boom, boom. Right.
Here we are.

Basically, two, three inside of a month. Yeah.
And we got this again, Ocho. What is it that he's not getting, bro? This is professional football.
You're not at Penn State.

You're not at Penn State. And you can get away with that at Penn State because you were the guy.

There are greater expectations of you, Abdul Carter. Yeah.
Ocho. Yes, sir.
This man, think about it now. This man say, you know what? I want 56.

Well, if I can't get 56, let me get the double hockey sticks.

Let me get 11. 11.
Do he understand what those jerseys mean and what?

First of all, 56.

You ain't going to name, you can't name, you can't name two. First of all, I think LT is the greatest defensive player ever.
Yeah. I can make a case LT is the greatest football player ever.

Just give me a little time. I'll let you debate who you want to debate.
You can take Brady. You can take Peyton.
You can take Jerry. And I can make a case.

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And if you couldn't find an edge rusher like LT to rush the quarterback, you couldn't put pressure on the quarterback. So he made two position famous.

Go back and study. Like I said, I know, look, LT, you know, the drugs and all that other stuff, and he has some stuff off the field after his career.
Right.

But I don't think people realize, because there are a lot of guys, there's one three defensive player of the years and stuff. People don't realize how good LT was.

They don't. I understand.
They do not realize.

I mean, whoever you think, the best foot, but the best defensive player that you've seen with your own eyes, if you're under the age of 40, whoever the best player is,

make a case, and I'll make a case for LT. And when I'm done, you're like, yeah, LT the best.
Yeah.

Yeah.

Whoever. And I think there have been some fabulous.
I played in the era. With LT, with Reggie, with Bruce, with Tyne, with Ray Lewis, with Mike Singletary, with

Leslie O'Neill, Howie Long. I played in the league with some great ones.
Yes.

But he different.

He different.

He set the bar. He set the standard for that position in general.

I tell you what, when you name your top five defensive players, he ain't never left off that list. Nah.
And most of the time, he's number one.

Most of the time, he's one.

You're absolutely right. But, man, look at Ocho.

Watching the Patriots

and seeing how disciplined and how well coached they are.

Hey, you know everything is easy when you have a quarterback too, huh? Oh, yeah. You understand that? When you have a quarterback like that, that with his decision making is

as good as it is,

man. Goddamn, boy, listen, Josh McDaniels.

I don't know what it is. Like, everything fits over there offensively.
Not only do you have a quarterback, you have the pieces, the complimentary pieces that fit just right.

You understand how to put each player

in the right positions to play to their strengths and hide their weaknesses, if there are any. But every player has weaknesses.

Yeah, for sure.

Yes. And you play to a player's strength and you stay away from his weaknesses

as much as you possibly can. Yeah, and

Josh has mastered that. And Drake May is having a effing ball doing so.

Them boys 11-2, man.

Drake is in his sophomore year, Drake. It's his sophomore year, right? Yes,

they won 10 games,

after losing the previous year, they lost 13. Only the 99 Colts

because when Peyton got there, they lost all those games. Then the next year, they were the number one seed in the AFC.
Yeah, now that's crazy. That's crazy, yeah.

But when you have that guy,

when you have that guy, when you have that one foundational piece. Yeah.

Hell, I can build anything on a solid foundation. But that's all it is.
That's all it takes.

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Whoa, what happened with TikTok saying my fiancé Dylan is not playing? I have thoughts about that, but I'm not going to share it.

She then captioned another with Brown's loss. What's new?

But then, this is he got into a disagreement with a commenter on a post and wrote, actually,

everyone in the building wants him to play, but you wouldn't know because you've never been into the NFL or coach, right? right?

Well,

you know,

listen, we see this all the time. We see

family members display their frustrations, whatever they may be, really not understanding how the game works, you know, the ins and outs of it. And, you know, she wants her fiancé to be on the field.

You know, he's not on the field.

Shadur has been chosen to be the quarterback. How much she knows everybody in the building wants him to play?

I mean,

they've been on the news for how long? I'm asking you,

how does she know that? Unless somebody pillow talking.

Oh, come on, man.

I tell you what. Let Chauncey, let when you was in Cincinnati, let Chauncey say, man, my brother ain't getting the ball.
They need to throw the ball to my ball or trading. Right.

What you tell me what you think the people in Cincinnati and what the Bengals organization is going to think. Where did that come from? Oh,

did I say something?

What you mean, I said something. You know that came from you.

Even if it didn't, that's what they're going to believe.

That's why I always tell family, friends, and loved ones, be mindful of what you say, because whether they said it or not, it's going back to them. Yeah.

I mean, you know, that's his wife. You know, they have those conversations.
I'm sure he does. Of course, I want to play.
Of course, I want to start. You know, you go home and

who's the one person you have peace and can vent to when it comes to what you... Oh, honey, how is your day at work? Well, shit, I ain't starting.

Those are conversations that I had between a couple, a husband and wife, a fiancé. You know, I mean, that's normal.
And she's venting and her frustrations about, oh, damn, here we go. What's new?

We done lost again. But you have to be careful now, Ocho, because back then, there was no social media that your significant other could go to.
Ah.

Now,

there's a platform

called social media. Yes.
That they can go to and disseminate information

all across the world and instantaneous. So even if you were to send and then hit delete, it's gone oh it's too late it's gone it's too late once you hit sin it's a wrap

man lord have mercy yeah i just i just wish people understood that it's a it makes it put dylan in a bad spot right

because i don't believe see when she said the locker when she said hold on what if you say uh

actually the building when she say the building i don't think i think it's from locker room up i don't think it's the locker room down I don't think it's the locker room.

I think it's from above the locker room up. The building, I think that's the executive.
I think that's the front office. Hold on, we already know.
We already know that, though. We already know that.

Based on the words,

based on things that have been said,

you know that part. But down

below, where it really matters, the meat and potatoes of the team,

I don't need to say no more. Because

I can't throw anybody else under the bus.

You know, like I slipped up a long time ago.

I don't want to do that again but but you that's that's what they that's what they want just be that's what they want in inside that building the people that's going to war

and not i'm not telling you what i'm not telling what i heard i'm telling you what i know

what i don't understand is that people need to understand you're not the center of attention

If you weren't dating Dylan Gabriel, how many people you think would know who she is?

That's what anybody, unless you're Taylor Swift. Now, Taylor Swift is a different animal.

Everybody knows who she is, even if she not dating Trav.

But when you look at it, Sierra Russ, okay, that's a different, that's a different dynamic. Right.

But when we're talking about somebody that doesn't have that name, that name or brand recognition that you only know, oh, that's Dylan Gabriel fiancé. Oh, that's such a, that's Ocho's wife.

Man, that's Ocho's significant other.

So anything that gets said out of her mouth

that relates back to football, oh, Ocho talking ass.

That's how it is.

I'm sorry. It's just like stuff at work.
When stuff comes back to work.

Oh,

I told you that. I told you that.

I've seen situations get messy because something got said in the locker room. Somebody went back and told their wife or girlfriend.

Now. And and it got all over the place, huh? All over the place.
Damn.

And you know where it came from because we talked about it in the locker room. Locker room.
Yeah. And

ain't none of them wives, girlfriends, significant others, fiancés, or whatever they want to be within the locker room to hear it. So one of you, Mofo, said it.
Running your mouth.

And in that group, it ain't but a small group. It ain't like we talking aloud

across the room. Uh-huh.

We're talking in a small group, four or five. Yeah, oh, so it's on the practice field.
It's easy to pinpoint who says something, yeah. Absolutely,

yeah, absolutely.

I always ask somebody, hey, man, Shaw, let me tell you something.

I'd be like, Okay, who else you told? Man, I ain't told nobody because I don't want you to tell somebody else, and then they get out, and then you told me about Sharp. I did.

I ain't tell nobody but sharp, you a damn lie.

Because if you already told somebody else, don't tell me. Yeah, hold on, hold on.

um

yeah it's it's chad it's just a bad it's just a a bad spot to put your significant other in in the locker room because i'm telling you how how how athletes think

um be it football basketball baseball when something gets out and it's team related they're like what

She must have heard him say that. He's saying that.
Even if it's not true, she could have just been going out on a whim on her own and saying how she feels.

Dylan might not have said anything, but they're still going to attach it.

It's just like anything else. If somebody does something,

the first place they go, look.

Yeah,

yeah, hey.

You see that?

Yes, sir.

First of all, why you got my jersey, Ocho?

Why Why you got my jerseys?

Hey, listen. Hey, when I let me tell you something.

Hold on, let me tell you how I got the jersey. Hold on.

Hey, see, when you was out of town, right, when you were traveling and you were doing them alcohol, hey, listen, you were doing one of them alcohol signings, and I had to break in your house, right?

And I had to steal my trophies.

Julie,

I snatched one of these jerseys up all for you. I snatched one of these jerseys.
How about we make a trade? Huh?

How about we make a trade? Nah, don't worry about it. I'm going to keep this.
I'm gonna keep this.

I mean, I'm gonna keep this for the rest of my trophies. Hey, this is the real deal, too.
Look, look at the sleeves. Oh, yeah.

Oh, Joe. I got the home in the way.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that.
High tides. I like that.
What? I tell you what, when you send the rest of my awards, I got you.

Yeah. Yeah.
Hey, I appreciate this. Hey, it's heavy.
It's stitched up, too. This, this is the real deal, right? Oh, yeah.
Hold on, hold on. You see what?

Yeah.

Yeah. Hey,

we look about the same. See the guns?

Yes, sir. Yeah, I'm just saying.

I just.

Chad, it's kind of like, oh, Joe, if somebody in jail and they escape, what's the word the first person? The first place they go is where?

They mama, they girl.

My name, he ain't got no.

He got to be going there. Mama, their girl.
Hey, think about it.

If somebody's saying something, and it has to do with the locker room, the first place, even if, even if, like I said, Ocho, even if that's her, even if those are her own thoughts, and she, I like to believe she's smart enough and she can have her own thoughts.

Right. But that's not what people are going to believe.
No, not, not at all. And I don't think she's thinking about it that way anyway.

She was just more so expressing her feelings based on how she feels about wanting her husband or husband to be, you know, to actually be out there actually playing so but she knows she knows better now because she's gonna get the backlash and then it's gonna fall on dylan gabriel and he's gonna get pissed what are you doing you can't be doing that you know that they they're both new to this they're both new to this and she will understand

you got to be careful before you you before you hit sin you got to think because once you hit it it's there for life And guess what else, Ocho? Guess who's going to get asked about this?

You think they're going to ask 12 about this? Yeah. You think they're going to ask the fansky about this? Of course.

Something that they don't really have, shouldn't, look. They should be like, okay, what do you guys need to do to get a win? What do you guys need? Blah, blah, blah.
Right.

Now I've got to answer questions about something.

A lady that ain't, hey,

ain't never,

only been going to the game to see Dylan. Yeah.

Now I got to answer questions about what she said that ain't got nothing to do that's going to help us win a football game, Mocho. Nothing whatsoever.
Yeah. Hey, it just adds to the circus.

Adds

unnecessary fuel to the fire. So I just, like, Chad, I would just recommend anybody, young ladies, if

you're dating a guy in college or high school and you guys might be together, just keep that in mind. Everything you say that's related to football is going to be tied back to him.

And you might have your, you might be like you, you might be your own person. You have your own thoughts.
You have your own mind. And I get to talk.

I can speak freely. But they're going to tie it back to him.

And

that's not fair to him. And you don't want to put that kind of stress.
You don't want to put that kind of pressure. And you don't want to

shine that kind of light on him.

So

just be mindful of that. That

your actions

are going to reflect back on him.

It's going to tie back to him. Just like if you do something out, oh man,

man, you heard what happened to Ocho Girl?

Man, you heard, man, man, man, they say Sharp Girl was acting a fool in the mall.

Yeah.

It's different when you date a celeb, entertainer, actor, actress. It's a different set of rules.
Yes. And you have to move differently.
You got to abide by it. You can't like, oh, I move highway.

You can't do that. Because now you can't just think about you.
You have to think about that other person and the possible jeopardy or perils you might put them in.

And I don't think enough people do that. No.
But you should. I mean, the really ones, oh, yo,

you ain't never seen Peyton Manning wife or heard her say anything, have you? No.

See,

that's a different type of understanding.

I had no idea until she walked up to me. She said, you don't know who I am.

I said, I sure don't. She said, I'm Ashley Manny.
I say,

how you doing? Yeah.

There's, I mean, so many people that you wouldn't even know. That's their why, because they like, hey,

stay in the shadows, do what I do. I feel

like some understand they have to play the background. Some understand they have to play the background, and they're not the main character.

I understand I'm not the main character, and I know my place, and I know my role. There are a lot like that.
Then there are some that want to be front and center.

Okay, that's my man. But I need to be, I need to be front and center right along with him.

It's different.

Everybody different. And it also depends on who you're dating.

Yes. Some people date you just because they want to be front and center.
Yeah.

And quarterbacks, first of all, quarterbacks bars a different level. Yes.
You basically date the CEO. Yes.

You date the CEO. The guy.

So

you definitely have to be willing to take a back seat.

You got to be like Savannah James. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. She ain't going to, hey, she's going to do a little podcast.
She got a little, whatever she got going on.

Look, they try to beat up for Aisha Curry, but I understand what she's saying. I understand what she's saying.

But, man,

I just hate it. I just, you know, understand.

They're young, though, Ocho. Some things, you know,

sometimes you have to make a mistake before you understand the gravity of what you're in.

And then you get a true understanding of what you're dealing with. So, hopefully, she learned that

just keep that to yourself. Okay, the building wants him to play.
If when that time comes, he gets an opportunity to get back in there. He plays well.
He's able to hold down the spot.

But don't you go on social media and act up. OJo, Shadur Sanders says he's working hard to build trust with Jerry Judy.
Shadur says it's going to take some time.

That chemistry with guys like Jerry, I'm more of a trust person. So we have to spend some time on the task.

It's just, it's just, and I told you, OJO,

anytime you start doing this right here. Yeah.

I mean, listen, honk, it's a disconnect. You know,

it's a disconnect. Once that Wi-Fi gets on point, it's going to be all right.
You got to understand these two ain't working together, honk. Right.
Chemistry is very important.

I think people, those that have played the game at any level, you understand, it's one thing when you get to the NFL, right?

You have to be able to, you have to work with your receivers. You got to work with receivers because...

Just because you have a ball in your hand and you have a guy out there running routes doesn't mean you're going to have an instant connection. True.

There's certain little nuances that you have to have, certain rhythms and timing that you have to know that over a course of a training camp, over a course of the offseason, that you get to know your receivers.

I mean,

right now, I understand their frustrations. They're not winning.
Judy wants to get the ball. Judy wants to be productive in that offense.
And things aren't going the way he'd like right now.

But the problem that people are going to have is that, first of all, Shadur is a rookie quarterback

in only his second start, like you're saying. But what about the previous eight games when Dylan Gabriel was in there and Joe Flacco's in there?

So, how many times do you do we see that kind of attitude on the sidelines? Right.

Because

I'm sure Dylan Gabriel sailed a bunch of them. He killed a bunch of worms and he'll knock a couple of birds out of the sky.

And we didn't see this. So people are like, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, Jew.

The man man just got in. This is only his second game starting.
He's a rookie quarterback. If he's a second-year, third-year guy, and y'all still not on the same page, I would get it.

But in this scenario,

it's hard to get people to be on your side, considering, if I'm not mistaken, he leads the league in drops.

And you had a 35-yard completion that you let the guy come from behind you and knock the ball out.

Yeah.

So that's what people see.

Now,

last year he had an unbelievable season. Jameis did a great job of throwing him the ball.
Hey, crazy work last year. Yes.
Crazy work. But you have to, but Ocho.

Now, we can't take one season and forget about

the years that was in Denver before and what's going on right now.

We're not going to do that. I just want, I want, I want Jerry to understand that this is a rookie quarter,

a rookie quarterback in only his second start

how about i mean maybe y'all spend some extra time after practice after after practice wednesdays thursdays fridays stay out stay stay out a little bit longer you know get listen hell me and unc me mentor me and unc mel me and carston used to do that used to do that and i'm not talking about when he first got there from when he first got there third year fourth year fifth year,

we got in that extra timing just to know, boy,

we could have a goddamn blindfold on. He can throw that ball and know exactly where I'm going to be at.
Right.

Every time, on rhythm, regardless of the rush, regardless of whoever's in front of me, regardless of a defense. So when we were out there, it was like it was damn near 707, Uncle.

Like that's how sharp and on point and precise we were.

It was damn near like 707.

But it takes time to build that type of relationship.

You just don't go in like, okay, yeah, we got it. No.
It doesn't happen like that. You've got to put time in.

y'all need to sit in a meeting room okay tell me what you're thinking on this route tell me what you're thinking on this play right here that's how that's how i was with john i'm like okay tell me what you're thinking well if the guy's playing you like this expect it on the outside if you put it like this i'm gonna put it on your back shoulder or you know hey like we were talking about when that guy's running and i can't beat him over the top ojo he said i'm gonna back shoulder you so just know That the ball is going to come and you're going to have to open your hips and catch it on your back shoulder.

You know what's funny?

I like that we talk about this too. And I want to talk about the way I view Jerry Judy and the type of receiver he is, is they're having problems.

They're having problems and issues offensively over there in Cleveland.

But I've always seen Jerry Judy as not a problem, but a solution to the problem, especially with the skill set that he has as a receiver, regardless of the drops, regardless of the issues he may have had, understanding what he can do.

when it comes to putting people in the goddamn blender, being able to define the mismatches for him offensively, knowing that

he can beat whoever is out there at DB.

He can beat, let me say this again, he can beat whoever there is out there at DB.

He's a mismatch for damn near anybody, unless we talk about, you know, one of the top two better DBs

in the NFL. His route run is tremendous.
His ability to separate is tremendous. So I don't even understand where the issues are coming from.

You know, especially seeing them with the animations and theatrics on the sideline. Yes.
Yeah, this goddamn easy. You know, the fact that he's one of those few players, it's only a handful of them.

You know, I don't got to worry about you. Here, I need you to just get open.
Just do that for me. Just get open.
Oh, Joe, you look at Judy as a number one?

Yeah.

Yeah. Not even close.
You don't think so? No, sir. Hey,

listen, can I say something real quick? Yes.

I know some, maybe people in the chat, maybe you might not be fond of him.

No, I I ain't got no. I like him.

I thought he should have been. I said when they came out, he came out that draft with CD, with Jetta, with Ruggs.
I said he should have been the number one receiver. Take it.
Yeah.

So I, yeah, hey, and I was happy that he went, but Ocho. Hey, simply, simply this, huh? Simply this.
Being able to get open, beat man to man, and create separation,

that's all I need. Because the ones that are number twos can't do that consistently.
The people that are number twos cannot do that consistently.

Those all receivers that are number one receivers, my officer coordinator doesn't have to hide me.

It's third down. We need you to get open man to man.
I don't give a fuck. Oh, I almost cursed.
I don't care what it is. Get open.
Jerry Judy can do that.

He can do that. I'm just saying.

You can name 20 receivers, 25 receivers better than, I mean, he a number one on that team because you got to look, if you're talking about a number one, because he has to be a number one on that team, but you'll go 25 deep with receivers before you take him.

So,

we basically think off skill set, are you basing it off numbers? What are we talking about?

His skills are not conducive. Look at his numbers in Denver.
Look at his numbers now. That's what I just said.
Are you talking about his skill set or are we talking about numbers?

Well, everybody's a number one if you just look at skill set because everybody can get open.

I can stack up a bunch of them.

Yes, they can. No, I'm not.
Look, let me take that back.

Everybody can't get open, But how many, how many, if we were to have a draft right now and you start taking receivers, how long before Judy gets selected?

No, Unc,

you throwing in different scenarios that I'm not talking about.

He's not a one, oh, Joe. He's Ocho.

He's a two. He's a solid two.

A solid two. He's not a one receiver.

Unk,

what is let me ask you a question. What is your criteria? Wait, no, wait, wait.
What's your criteria for being a number one receiver? I'm curious. They build a game plan to stop you.

Are they building game plans to stop Jerry Judy?

You know damn well they're not building no game plan. They're building a game plan to stop Ocho Sinko.
They build game plans to stop Shannon Sharp. He is not a number one because you know why?

Chad, if he was the number one, Ocho would have said, hell yeah.

No, I'm waiting.

Are the defensive building game plans to stop him? Yes or no? Hold on. So let's go.
We got 32 NFL teams, right? I asked yourself. No, no, no, no.
You can't do that. No, let me finish.

You got 32 NFL teams. So every time every team plays that has a number one receiver, the defense is game plan to stop that number one? Absolutely not.

When we come in. Absolutely not.
Or when we come in on Wednesday, if he circled as a guy that we got to stop, If we don't stop him, that's what a number one is.

I'm not saying that every week he's going to get that, but we got to focus on him. If we don't stop him, we can't.
It's going to be hard for us to beat him.

It's only five receivers in the NFL that teams have to do that to. Ocho.
Only five.

Ocho. I get he's from Miami.
Only five.

Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, AJ Brown, CeeDee Lamb, Pickens. It's only a few receivers.
Nico Collins is a number one.

Tyreek Hill is a number one.

brian thomas jr is a number one the guy the giants is a number one pink and cd is a number one terry mclurin is a number one the guys that they got two guys in uh the uh drake london is a number one stop this notion oh choke oh oh don't do that

come on they just you just throwing anybody name out there top cone are they number ones yes or no who

Are they number ones? Yes or no? Yeah, you oh, so hold on. So when you play the Atlanta Falcons, the focal point is stopping Drake London? Is Drake London the number one? Is that what you're doing?

Yes.

He's their best receiver. Okay.
He's not their best receiver. Okay.

JSN. JSCN is not a number one.
Okay, now

we're talking. Now we're talking.
No, no, he's not a number.

Now we're talking. Now we're talking.

Now we talking.

Now we like, I like that. Now we're now talking.
Come on, OJo.

Nah.

I'm basing it off what you're able to do. I need a skill set.

How do we know with Ocho? He's had one year. So, what about those years that he didn't do nothing?

So, all of a sudden, so he just acquired this skill set last year. The previous three years, he lost it, and he's lost it now, but he had it last year.

Nah.

I tell you what, you take Jared Judy or Devontae Smith.

You take Jared Judy or Jalen Waddell.

I'm just asking. Those are guys that play two.
So would you take them? Would you take, would you take Jared Judy or would you take Devontae Smith?

Would you take Jared Judy or Jalen Waddell?

Would you take him or you take Pierce? Would you take Pierce in

Indy or would you take Michael Pittman Jr. or Judy? Which one are you taking?

I'll give you every chance to take Judy. So, listen,

you hear everything,

all the comparison of the teams, and

how you're doing that, right?

You see what you're doing?

You talk about players that are all on competent offenses that get balls with quarterbacks. You see what you're doing?

Are you trying? No, no, no. You're trying to compare the goddamn shit circus he got to fucking deal with at Cleveland, and you're naming the Dolphins.

You naming Daniel Jones over there throwing the ball looking like goddamn Tom Brady reincarnated. Like, come on, man.

What about Balik Neighbors?

How was he? What was the Giants last year? Oh, he was gangster. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

he was gangster.

Oh, you mean that rum that rummage sale that they had up at the Giants last year? That he had 100 and something catches? Yeah.

Yeah.

They threw that thing to him like crazy.

I'm just

listening.

This is a great comp, I like this conversation. I like this conversation.
But let me tell you something. Also, situations matter.
Where you are matters. Quarterback matters.

It's so many factors that come into play. especially when you start naming other receivers on other teams that are in totally different offenses with good quarterbacks and great offensive systems.

That's all. So it's like it's, eh, it's almost unfair to have that conversation in comparison.
But

let's move on.

Well, 90% of the chat disagree with you. 90% of the chat say he's not a number one.
Hey, 90% of the chat can't cover me.

90%

matter of fact, hold on. 100% of the chat can't cover me and tell me nothing about playing receiver.
Maybe 15 years ago, you had a very compelling argument. Now,

Jerry Judy leads the NFL in drops and drop percentage with qualified on-target passes dropped by receiver Judy has dropped almost 19%,

6% higher than any other receiver.

Ban Ocho.

Hey.

Bad Ocho to be the hell of an attorney, y'all. Ocho know damn well y'all guilty.
Ocho to hit, whatever it is, the weapon, Ocho to gave it to the lawyer. Oh, man, look at my client, he do this.

Hey, hey, you got me hot, man. Talk about the check.
Hey, you got me hot. Talk about the check of cover me, man.
I'm hot.

Ocho, hours after the Eagles lost to the Bears on Friday, Philly OC Kevin Petula, was a victim of a house getting egg.

Petula has been heavily criticized this season for the underperformance of the Eagles' offense. The team ranks at the bottom third of nearly every offensive category.
Ocho,

considering how much egg costs, man, damn near like,

what, eight, nine dollars a day? Hey, listen,

they told me we were in a financial crisis. They told me the economy was bad.
And we got people out here wasting eggs to egg somebody's house. Listen, I love the Philly fans.

Philly fans are very passionate. a very passionate fan base.
They travel well. They support their team through thick and thin.
They ain't really had too much thin.

But goddamn, this is the same fan base that threw snowballs at Santa Claus years ago. I hear that story all the time.
He deserved it. He didn't bring bring no gifts.

So something like this doesn't surprise me being how serious they are about their football team.

They won the Super Bowl last year. Things haven't been the same.
The offense doesn't look the same. So who is the blame? Whose name keeps coming up over and over and over?

Listen, they're going a little too far. They're going a little too far.

They need to have 24-hour security at Kevin petullo's house so he doesn't have this issue anymore

they don't they they don't do the players like that

i mean i mean i'm damn i'm i'm very for look i i get it i i get that you know fans get upset they want to win i mean they're so passionate you know fan is short for fanatic and when you fanatic about something you sometimes you know you go over the edge and you get fanatical yeah about it yeah uh

that's not to excuse because i don't want y'all i don't want you guys to take this the wrong way to say it's because they're upset. They have a right to be upset.
Boo all that you want to. Yes.

But don't

damage the man's property. Yeah, yeah, come on.
That's too far.

Don't

damage the man's property. That's what I'm saying.
Look,

they need to get this thing fixed.

It was a lot easier for Jalen Hurst to play quarterback last year because, oh, Joe, he was throwing the wide open windows because, you know, it was single coverage.

Because we got to get this eighth guy down to stop Saquon.

Got to stop Saquon. Look, he's not the greatest thrower of the football, and that's not enough.
There are a lot of guys that's been able to

make in the league without being great throwers of the football. Everybody, look,

everybody's gonna be Aaron Rodgers.

Everybody's gonna be a Patrick Mahomes and some of these great throwers of the football. Some people are gonna have to win games a different way.
Right.

And so, you know,

I think the thing is with Jalen is that we look at him in this,

it's not as aesthetically pleasing to the eye. Is he as great a throw in the football as that? No, absolutely not.

You might say that, well, he won a Super Bowl. Okay.

If that's your only measure, take off. But

there have been a lot of players that have won Super Bowls that's not as good as some of the players that haven't. Right.
But they need to figure this out and what's going on.

Jalen's going to have, they're going to have to trust Jalen. Jalen's going to have to trust them.
And he's going to have to take some risk.

He just is. Yeah.

Listen, I... Because

I just don't see a scenario, Doc, Ocho, where this running game,

this running game ain't even close to what it was last year. No, absolutely not.
And the fact that it hasn't got going this late into the season is probably not going to show up.

It's probably not going to show up. I mean, I mean, this far into the season.
But one thing I do know. is I wouldn't count Jalen out.
Honestly,

regardless of whether we could run the ball, regardless of how people feel about him being able to throw the ball, I think

they all have a winning mentality. And that goddamn, that quarterback, he has the worst, the worst.

When it comes to just, it's football. Football only.
He don't smile. He don't make no jokes.
He's locked in and he's been locked in since. They won that Super Bowl.

So if they're going to win, I think it's going to have to be on the shoulders of him and on the arm of that quarterback. And I think having A.J.

Brown, having Devontae Smith, I feel they're going to be okay.

Kevin Tupulo, I mean, Mr. Petulo, he's still going to be calling the plays.

He's still going to be calling the plays. So it's going to be the onus in winning those games, since you can't run, it's going to have to come from Jalen.

I think the thing is for me, Ocho, I'm going to see if he's going to be the offensive coordinator next year. Because I remember when they went through that lull.
Yeah. And he said he believed in him.

Right. That quarter,

he wasn't the coordinator the following year. Right.

And

that's when they brought Kellen Moore in. And Kellen Moore got called the plays.
They went to the Super Bowl and they won it. So we'll see.
I mean, everybody says, oh, yeah,

we win as a team, we lose as a team. But we'll see how much are you willing to take losing as a team before you make changes.
Right. Because we'll see.

Listen, they're going to make them. But you know, the coaches, you know, Sirianni gonna say all the right stuff publicly.
He's going to say all the right stuff.

They do every everything is always politically correct when they speak. But he knows their issues because job, you know, jobs, jobs are at stake.

I know you're just coming off a Super Bowl win last year, but I mean, hell, I mean, what's going on this year is unacceptable.

You know, by their standards, by not just the team standards, not the organization. Hell, by the fan standards as well.
That's why they're egging the goddamn coach house.

We not finna, we not, man, what's up?

Now, you got, you better get it. You better get it together dickhead figure it out

yeah it's tough um because like when you win the super bowl that's the expectation yeah people think super bowls are easy people think you just oh once you win it you just keep winning and winning and winning and winning no people don't realize like when tom when tom they like okay they won in 01 they missed the playoffs in 02 and then they won three and four

they didn't win in five they didn't win in six They got back in seven. They didn't get back in eight.

They got back in 10. Then they missed 11, 12, 13.
They got back in four.

It's, bro, it's hard.

It's hard to repeat. That's why they have only been a handful.
They've been, what, 59 Super Bowl winners? Only a handful of those are repeated. It's hard.

It's not something that's easy to do.

Because you have so much turnover

as far as like you get your friends, you can only sign a few. And then people come steal all some of your best players that you can't resign.
Some of your best coaches, they get other jobs, Ocho.

Ocho, they go to college, they get the uh jobs in the NFL, and then

you are. This is the biggest problem that you have.
Yeah, you get guys wanting to do more when what they did last time was enough.

So, everybody wants to be the reason why. So, now I need to do more.
Oh, Joe, you called 85 Pauls last year, man. I need to catch 100 now.

No, 85 was plenty, yeah,

yeah. But

I think the thing is, it's like Hey, we're in week 14, right? Yes. God damn,

but a season over, boy. It is.
It is. Two months.

They got a chance to turn it around? What do you think? If it ain't turned around,

at least show signs of.

I think it's going to be uncovered on Jalen. I don't think they're going to be able to run the football.
I don't. Because the offensive line isn't the same.
Your center is banged up.

Your right guard is not very good. Your right tackle is not Lane Johnson.
Right. Uh, Dickerson is injured.

You know, he had his knee operated on before the season, so he's basically out there on one leg, just gutting it up. They're not the same offensive line.
They're not the same offensive team. Yeah.

I got you.

Listen, listen, listen. For Petulo's sake, I hope things turn around.

You know, I think he needs to have 24-hour security outside his home from this point on.

I mean, it's unfortunate that it's come to this, but I I think he also needs to understand how serious the fans of Philly take

their football. This ain't no joke.
Unk. The fans of Philly, they beat up Santa Claus, man.

They hit him with snowballs. Like, you know, you know, you know how serious that is?

I do.

We took Santa, man. The people in Philly don't play.

Man, they do not play.

There's a certain standard that you must live by. As a coach, as a player, and we don't meet that goddamn standard, what happens?

You get egged. You get snowballs.

I mean, no disrespect. You know, I'm not trying to be funny.
I'm just saying. Like, Philly Man and fan, they don't play.
They travel well. They support.

And they mean business.