Nightcap - Hour 2: Unc & Ocho react to the cost of living back in 1985; Bun B joins; Unc's old gadgets

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Yeah. Looking back at the cost of living 40 years ago in 1985 which one of these items surprises you the most a new house cost 84 300 the average income was 23 600 minimum wage was 335 an hour month.
College tuition, $4,560. A spanking brand new car was less than $7,700.
Milk was $2.20 a gallon. Eggs was $85.7 a dozen.
A loaf of bread cost $0.68. A movie ticket was $3.55.
And gas cost $1.12 a gallon. Now listen, one thing I want to say about this.
I remember these days, huh? 1985. Yeah, I remember I was a junior in high school.
Yeah, hey listen, I was a freshman in high school. Now when I think about it, they always say history repeats itself.
No, that ain't happening. Wait, listen to me.
Stay with me now. If you look at some of the things going on, fashion, politics, some of the things that's going on in the world, we're going back to the 60s and the 70s in certain areas and aspects in life.
If you actually pay attention to certain things. Now, we talk about history repeating itself.
At what point would we get back to this? Never. You're never going to buy a house for less than $100,000.
Less is a row house. Less is a crack house.
You ain't getting no new car. You ain't getting no new car for no $7,700, Ocho.
And gas ain't going to ever be $1.12 a gallon. Hey, um, eggs was 85 cents.
80 eggs was 85 cents per dozen. Yeah.
I was a low. I was 17.
I remember. Yes.
Oh my goodness. Yes.
Remember I told you used to get three loaves of bread for a dollar. I remember you get three loaves.
The loaf of bread was 68 cents now, but I remember you can get three loaves of bread for a dollar. I remember you get three loaves.
The loaf of bread was $6.88 now, but I remember you can get three loaves of bread for a dollar. Yes, I remember this.
I was 17. I remember this.
Now, I ain't know nothing about no new house. The house we called, probably we stayed in probably cost $1,500.
But yeah, I remember this. The funny thing about it is the price of everything keeps going up, right? Yeah.
Everything around us keeps going up. They're taking jobs away from people, using technology, chat GPT and AI and all this other stuff, automated services.
But minimum wage isn't going up the way it should. No, I remember.
To be able to offset the price of everything going up. So something's going to happen here.
Wages are going up. Exact wages are going up.
Yeah. Average consumer, the hourly is not, because it's what, 7.30 a month? Yeah.
I work for 3.35 an hour, so I know. Yeah.
Ocho, but even back then, Ocho, you look at that thing, damn, bro, my grandma called hell. Even at 85 cents.85, even at $0.68 for a loaf of bread, it was still hell on the Porter Sharp household.
And you look at the price and I like, damn, yes. Yeah.
Yes. That's crazy.
Gas was $1.12 a gallon. And you weren't going nowhere unless you had $2 to put in my tank.

So it wasn't no free ride.

Hey, come take...

No, you got to pay.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah, I remember that like yesterday.

That's crazy.

New car.

For $7,000?

What?

Do you know what $7,000 was?

Oh, yeah, back then.

I can imagine.

How do you know about a car?

My granny made $197 every two weeks.

So she made less than $4,000 a year.

So how the hell are you going to pay for a new car?

Yeah, you're right.

And buy food.

Can you imagine if everybody rent was $430 still?

Thank you. You're right.
And buy food. Can you imagine if everybody remember it was $430 still? Do you know how much money that was back then? Yeah, I already know.
You got to tell me I was there. What you saying? You're looking at today's money.
You're making today's money. And you're looking at yesterday's prices.
Right, right, right. Transport your ass back there.
You know how your grandma, how your mama's struggle to pay $430-something.

Oh, that was a full load of money.

Yeah, I already know.

But just imagine.

Hell, granny made $500 a month.

So how'd you go pay rent at $432 a month and she made $500? It's so funny. You notice how they made it work back then? They made a way? Yeah.
No matter what, regardless. You make long children.
You make pig feet. You make coon.
You make squirrel. You make rabbit.
You make possum. Yes, that's how.
You make trike. You make mountain oysters.
That's how you made it. You went and caught a mess of fish.

Yeah.

And you ate, yes, that's how you made it work.

You ain't eating no steak, no lamb chop, no lobster, no crab legs, no scallops, no orange.

You ain't eating none of that.

Right.

I had never heard of a person eating crab.

Like, oh, you know them Dungeness crabs, them blue crabs.

But like them king crab legs, the lobster. you know them Dungeness crabs, them blue crabs, but like them

king crab legs, I ain't never

heard nobody eating no lobster.

I ain't never heard nobody eating no

lobster. Can we go get some,

we got in college like a senior

and guys would tell me, man, I'm gonna take

old girl to red lobster, she want lobster.

What's next?

But you know, guys, when you got that work

study money, you know, you got that work study money, Ocho, that work study money Ocho you try to press somebody you think about eating something man please die eating salmon croquette in a can eating vienna sausages eating bologna that tube bologna with the red with the you know tube the long tube of bologna Ocho not the off the mile with the slicer. You wasn't getting that.
Right. You get that big ass

tube. Hold on.
What you know? I bet you

ain't had no beanies and weenies.

Nah, we ain't eat that. We didn't have

pork and beans though. Okay.

No get pork and beans and pork and beans

and you take the hot dogs and

cut the hot dogs up in the pork and beans? Yeah.

Okay. Now we're talking.
We got

the hot dogs. The 50 came in a pack, but the hot dogs still had the casing.
Yeah. Okay.
We got the hot dogs,

the 50 came in a pack,

but the hot dogs still had the casing on them.

See,

they were pink.

Yeah,

yeah,

you ain't get no,

you ain't get no,

no good,

no Hebrew national style.

Right.

But I'm looking at the price.

I'm like,

if I look back in this now,

Ocho,

and I think,

well,

we were bad off,

Ocho. I mean, we might've been bad been worse than I previously thought.
Right. Boy, hey, there was some days there, boy.
Boy, hey, them were some days. Oh, man.
Hey, when life was simple. Cat, y'all get ready.
It's time for Ocho's favorite segment It's time for Spello Cinco Wear your hat, wear your hat Ocho, put your hat on Hey Hey, you know You know who got mad at me and cut my hat up A long time ago, that's why I stopped wearing it Man, don't put that You heard me? Yeah Yeah Okay Ocho I'm gonna start Hold on Let me lock in first Let me lock in Dad don't rush me Don't rush me Let me lock in And focus So I can I can Chat This is for y'all Tonight is for y'all Chat I'm telling you I want to spell And be at 1979 1979. I can chat.
This is for y'all. Tonight is for y'all, Chad.
I'm telling you. I want to spell it be at 1979.
Give the father, give Ocho the strength to lock in and to spell these words. Help him to focus, understand.
And as I enunciate these words correctly, just give Ocho the strength and the courage to spell these words with conviction. Yes, sir.
We ask all these things in your name. Amen.
Yes, sir. Let's go, Chose.
Amen. Amen.
Amen. Your first word.
First word. Ubiquitous.
Ubiquitous. How do you want to come out of the gate? How do you want to come out of the gate? Simultaneously.
Ubiquitous. Oh, how do you come out of the gate with something like that? Okay.
It's going to get easy.

Ur.

Okay.

Ubiquitous.

Okay, we start with that.

You say it again?

Ubiquitous.

Ubiquitous.

Yes. Now, I'm assuming it's UB.

Let's start there.

Ubic.

Ubic.

Now, Bic lighter is B-I-C. So, I'm going to go U-B-'s start there.
UBIC. Now, BIC

lighter is BIC.

So I'm going to go UBIC.

UBIC.

What?

UBICQ

TIST.

UBIC

UIT

UIT

UIT

UIT

UIT

UIT

UIT

UIT

UIT

UIT

UIT

UIT

UIT

UIT

UIT

UIT Thank you. U-B-I-Q U-I-T-O-U-S Ubiquitous Now you knew I wasn't going to get that I thought you would get that I thought there was a chance What? Okay, how about this one, Ocho? This one, and you've heard of this one.

A demigog.

A who?

A demigog.

Wait, you mean a demigod?

A demigog.

Demigog is a leader exploiting emotions to gain power.

A demigog.

Man, are these words even... Excuse me.
are these words even in a thesaurus? I've never heard that before. A demigod.
Say it one more time. I bet you I get it right.
Demigog. A demigod.
A-D-E-M-I a demigod. G-O-D? Where the hell you get an A from? I said demigod.
Oh, you said demi. I thought you said a demigod.
No, but you're wrong. D-E-M-A-G-O-G-U-E, demigod.
Oh, my goodness, Unc. Hey, Unc, and not only do I not know these words, the chat don't know them either.
and I hope nobody in the chat is laughing at me, because I know y'all not finna see and pretend that y'all know some of the words I'm talking about, because I ain't never heard of the last one, and I definitely don't know how to spell the first one we did. How about this? Paradigm.
Paradigm. Oh, P-A-R-A-D-I-G-N.
No. What? P-A-R-A-D-I-G-N No What?

P-A-R-A-D-I-G-M

That's what I just said

Sound like you said N

Chad, what y'all say?

Do you see how fast I spelled it

Because I knew how to spell it?

I said N

We'll run it back

We'll give you that one

How about this one?

Let's go

Stop playing with me

Antidote

Huh?

Antidote

Antidote

A

A

A-N-T-I

Antidote

A-N

A-N-T-I

D-O-T-E

Antidote

A-N-E-C

D-O-T-E Antidote A-N-E-C D-O-T-E Antidote God Dog it man Jesus Elucidate What? To clarify Explain clearly Elucidate Elucidate? Elucidate To clarify Or explain Clearly Elucidate Elucidate? Elucidate. To clarify or explain clearly.
Elucidate. Elucidate.
So elusive. Elusive.
Elusive is E-L. So elucidate would probably be E-L as well.
U-S. Elucidate.
I-D-A-T-E elucidate E-L U-C I-D A-T-E elucidate so that's not what I just spelled no hey boy I'm on a bad one this is going to be the easiest one if you don't't get this one. I'm on a bad one.

Abore. Abore.

To detest, strongly dislike, I abore you.

Abore.

Oh, my goodness.

Abore.

I mean, it could be abore like A-B-O-R-A.

I mean, my bad. A-B-O-A-R, but it could be A-B-O-R-A I mean, my bad, A-B-O-A-R but it could be A-B-O-R-E What word are you going with? Or a bore, A-B-O-R Which one of the three is it? That's, I mean, I didn't go to Harvard I went to Glenville High School You gotta understand, I went to Harvard for one semester Okay, that should be enough to help spell these words I mean that I didn't go to Harvard.
I went to Glenville High School. You got to understand, I went to Harvard for one semester.
Okay, that should be enough to help spell these words. I mean, that's when they saw my application and knew it was fake, and that's when they got thrown out.
So what are you going with? A boar. A boar.
A-B-O-R. A-B-O-R.

A-B-H-O-R.

A boar.

Okay.

I got it right.

No, you didn't.

No, I said the H is silent.

No.

Damn, Mocho, you didn't.

Whew.

I got one for four?

One for five.

Well, listen, if I played baseball, I'd be a Hall of Famer.

No, actually, you wouldn't.

Yes!

That's below the Mendoza line there.

You got to be at least 250.

I can work with you.

300, you're in the ballpark.

Okay, Ocho, this is Dunk on Unc NCAA Hoops.

Okay, here we go.

Here we go. we go hey I gotta go back and I gotta study my thesaurus or something man because Jesus Christ hey Chet I apologize Chet I'm glad this wasn't a life or death situation because y'all would be planning my funeral My goodness that was abysmal That was horrible Yeah that was Hey them some crazy words though Okay here we go Dunk on Dunk NCAA Hoops Riddle edition Okay He played for the Kentucky Wildcats He won the 2012 NCAA National Championship Known for his elite defense and shot blocking Went number one overall in the Anthony Davis Well, God, can I finish? No, I ain't gonna hold you Okay, you got that one You got that one Okay, here we go Here we go He played for the UConn Huskies Went 4-4 in the NCAA Championship 2013-2016 Never lost the NCAA Tournament game One of the greatest women's college basketball players ever Who am I? She went 4-4.
Oh, Stewie. Breonna Stewart.

God damn it.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

You two for two.

Okay.

Okay.

You know your stuff, huh?

A little bit.

Okay.

Here we go.

Coach for the Duke Blue Devils.

Won five NCAA championships 1991, 1992, 2001, 2010.

Coach K.

Damn. Okay, okay, okay.
Hey, boy, you on a roll today, huh? Mm-hmm. I'm going to ask you for the numbers for the lotto after this.
Okay, here we go. Legendary coach of the Tennessee Lady Vols, won NCAA Pat Summitt actually her middle name is Pat Head Summitt she married the guy's last name was Summitt her actual maiden name is Pat Head did you know the story she got beat she got beat in a tournament game and she was about to give birth to her son and they said they wanted to land a plane in Virginia and she said, nah, I'm not having my son in Virginia.
Hey, boy, you showing off tonight in front of the company, huh? Okay, okay. Here we go.
Here we go. Let me put my glasses back on.
He played for the Duke Blue Devils.

Scored 41 points in the 1992 Elite Eight game versus Kentucky.

He was perfect from the floor, Christian Laettner.

He didn't miss a single shot or a free throw.

He hit the buzzer beater, yep.

Remember like yesterday.

Caught the pass from Grant Hill at the top of the key. Turned around.
Bam. Ball game.
You remember that game, Mocha? Oh. Hey, man.
Come on, man. Hell nah.
Okay. Here we go.
Last one. All right.
You ain't going to get this one. Play for the Iowa Hawkeyes.
Known for the triple-doubles and record-breaking performances. One of the top scorers in NCAA history.
Revolutionized women's basketball. Not Kaitlin Clark, go-cho.
Hey, I want to know who briefed you before this. I thought you were going to give me like, well, who won the 1975 National Championship in the men? I thought you were going to ask me something like that.
Who won the National Championship in 1975? For the men? Yeah. I think NC State.
Because 76 was Indiana.

77 was Marquette.

78 was Kentucky.

79 was Michigan State.

80 was Louisville.

81 was Indiana again.

82 was Michael Jordan's year.

83 was NC State.

84 was Georgetown.

God damn.

75 was UCLA.

UCLA won?

So when did David Thompson win 74 hey I got a problem we got a whole court especially with the chat we all got a whole court there's a small discrepancy in the level of difficulty in my questions when it's time to spell

and the questions

that you get on Dunk On On.

I thought you were going to ask me some NCAA

stuff like, you know, who won the

96th National

Championship. Right.

Or

ask me something about Cheryl Swoops.

Right. Lynette Woodard.
Right. Or Tell me Ask me something about Cheryl Swoops Right

Lynette Woodard

Right

I mean you can't ask me

Something about Coach K

Right

Okay

Don't worry about it

I got you

Listen

Next time I got you

I got you

I'm gonna take

The degree of difficulty

Yes

To the maximum

The way you do it

With my words

Yeah

Ask me where Oscar Robinson

Played or something like that

Right

Okay Thank you. degree of difficulty to the maximum the way you can do it with my words.
Yeah. Ask me where Oscar Robinson played or something like that.
Right. Okay.
You know Jerry West played at Ohio State, so don't ask me that. No, he played at West Virginia.
No, he played at Ohio State, didn't he? I was there. Me and Jerry had class.
Jerry Lucas played at Ohio State. Boy, ooh, I had a bad night tonight, boy.
Yeah, West Virginia with Jerry, because that's where he's from. Jerry Lucas.
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Oh, I had a bad night. You did, Ocho.
It's time to welcome. His birthday was yesterday.
He's celebrated, so happy belated birthday. He's the co-owner of the iconic Smash Burger joint, Trill Burger.
And I follow him, and I think he just opened up another one, Trill Burger. Bun B, what it do? Hey, hey, what's going on, gentlemen? What's going on? Thanks for having me, old man.
Bun, what's up, baby? What's good up baby what's good i see you i see you shining over there you know i got a little lotion on that's all it is a little lotion but let me ask you this let me let's kick it off with this but where did you come up with the idea to start trill burger i didn't come up with the idea the idea was was brought to me by two mutual friends of mine.

One that I knew in a previous career as a clothing line designer and the other I knew in a previous career as a podcaster for the Texans. They both moved into new paths, one becoming a restaurateur, the other becoming a marketing and promotions manager of restaurants.
So the restaurateur, Andy Nguyen, came up with an idea for Smash Burger.

But Smash... marketing and promotions manager of restaurants.
So the restaurateur, Andy Wynn, came up with an idea for Smashburger, but the Smashburger phenomenon was already moving on the West Coast. He's from California.
He saw the trend starting to move east, and he was like, if I don't catch it by Texas, I'm going to miss the whole Smashburger trend, but I don't have as strong a brand out there. I need someone to partner with.
And other friend, Nick Scurfield, was like, well, I know Bun has had a food blog for many years called YouGottaEatThis.com. Go check us out.
He was like, I know Bun's been looking for an entry point into the culinary space. I didn't want to do a full restaurant because there's so many different menu items and there's so many different ingredients that you have to stock.

And a lot of things you lose if people don't come in and buy that shrimp.

In a day or two, that shrimp starts to go bad by day three and you lose it.

A lot of stuff is lost.

You know what I'm saying?

But this was a very refined, very simple concept.

I went and met up with him.

I tried the burger. And I thought not only was it one of the best burgers I'd ever had, I thought it was one of the best meals I'd ever had.
The flavor combination is incredible. Anybody that's ever had it will tell you they may have had good burgers, but no one has ever done with a hamburger what we've done.
And what I mean by what we've done is we care about it more than I think other people care about

a burger. Most burgers

are afterthoughts.

You know, something like, I got 30 minutes for lunch, where

can I go and get something real quick?

Man, I left this club, I'm full of this liquor,

I gotta try to soak it up with something.

You gotta absorb that thing, gotta absorb it,

bud. You know, but we found a real sweet spot,

man. You know, we found a way to

not only introduce a better product into the public, but also for me personally, a way to transition my cultural equity that I built up in the entertainment industry into the culinary industry in a way that I could capitalize off of it a lot better than I could in the music industry because of the contractual agreements that I signed at a very young age. And with this, I was able to own everything outright with my partners.
There was no investors as there was with the record company where you take that advance up front. We did all of this out of pocket.
We continue to do it out of pocket. We don't take any money out of the company so that the company can grow, be self-sustained, so we don't need investors.
We don't need finances from anybody, and we just try to build

something that we believe will last longer than we will.

I like that.

I want to go back with it being your birthday,

you know, you turn a young,

you're getting younger,

you know?

Your recent birthday bonanza at

Houston Rodeo, obviously it featured

a diverse lineup, man. You had

Keith Sweat, Don Toliver, Yolanda Adams. What inspired you to blend hip-hop, R&B, and gospel for this event? You know, we've done a lot of different lineups with my shows at the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo.
Last year was the first year that they'd ever had two full rap nights. One was my night and one was with 50 Cent and his tour.
And it kind of started to get away from what the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo, as far as Black Heritage Day, has always been. And that's been a very inclusive evening that was always family friendly.
And with some of this rap music, it could get away from being a family friendly environment very quickly. And so the rodeo was like, well, we would love to reset the bar.
Like we appreciate what your hip hop contributions and all of the talent that you brought to the stage have done for the rodeo. But we think we need to reset the bar because if we don't, we're going to lose the demographic.
And that was the problem with the rodeo before, was that the rodeo had aged itself out. The rodeo did not bring in hip-hop and younger music in a timely manner.
So they started to age people away from the rodeo, younger people. And when I say younger, this may sound crazy, but when I say younger, I mean like 50 and under.
Right. There was nothing that was catering to them.
Nothing in popular music was catering to them. Nothing in popular culture was catering to them.
And so there became a concerted effort to try to make sure that the people on stage reflected the diversity of the city of Houston, which is arguably the most diverse city in America right now. There's over a hundred spoken languages and so many different cross-culture things happening in the city.
And so we did a good job of diversifying it, but at the same time, you don't want to leave people out. And I could tell that if we did one more show that was rap centric, my mama wasn't going to want to come no more.
And we're going to want to come no more because it can be a little much the way people dance to it.

I get it.

There's an energy and we want to bring energy and entertainment, but we don't want to do that and make sure that other people don't isolate others. Absolutely.
You know, my mother comes to the rodeo, my siblings, my wife's siblings, our children, our nieces and nephews, and now our grandchildren all come. So I wanted to make sure that I got something there for my mama and my wife's mother that they can relate to, things that we can relate to, my children and my grandchildren.
So that's why you get a Keep Sweat for us. You get a Yolanda Adams for the older, more Christian grandmothers and aunties and whatnot.
And you get a Don Tolliver for a younger artist, Coco Jones for a younger artist. You know what I'm saying? And then, of course, for my bass, you know, Luda, T.I., you know, we get them right in the chest with that hip hop.
So we want to make sure that when people come down, because now it's become a tourist attraction. There's literally thousands of people that come down for this thing now.
And I want to make sure that they get something. And look, anytime you know the Triple OG Bun B is on it, you know it's going to be big.
And you know he's going to do right. He's going to do right by H-Town because the H-Town down.
He born and bred. Hey, he believe in that.
And I love that. But I love the fact that the rodeo came to you and said, we really appreciate it.
But let's not get too far away from what we intended the rodeo to be. Because while we're bringing in one demo, we're losing another demo.
How can we blend these demos together and grow it? So they still come, more of you guys still come, and guess what? We expand this thing. And a lot of people didn't really understand it because I don't tell everybody who's coming.
I typically keep about two or three surprises to entertain people on the spot. So when I was saying, hey, I got Don Tolliver, and I got Keith Sweat, and I got Coco Jones, and I got Yolanda Adams, people don't see how that mix is in a row.
People don't see how those genres blend together, and people really didn't understand the vision. We knew what we were doing the whole time.
Yolanda Adams was specifically brought in to be a part of the In Memoriam program where we honored all of the legends that had fallen. And then we thought it was good to have some praise in the room.
I feel very blessed to have this opportunity. I've done this four times.
I've sold over 300,000 tickets in just four shows. We're averaging 74,000 people every time we've done this.
So it's been a beautiful opportunity, not just for me, for my family, for my business. I've been able to pass it on to other people that grew up in Houston, dreaming of doing the rodeo.
Now they've actually been able to do it. I grew up at a time where, you know, you didn't even think that somebody that did hip hop music would even be on that stage.
And now we exist where I live as an example to the next generation. Maybe one day I can do the rodeo like Bun B.
You know what I'm saying? So we understand, we understand how deeply this thing resonates with so many different people. And we don't want to let people down, especially right now.
I don't want to seem like I'm leaving people out of something because this world is so divisive right now. Yeah, for sure.
And things are not really as inclusive. And I don't think people understand, no culture is more inclusive as Black people because Black people understand what it's like to be left out.
So we don't want people left out of a good time. You know what I'm saying? And we know that you don't need a bunch of money to have a good time.
So we try to make entertainment as authentic and realistic and approachable as possible for people. And I think we've been able to do that with the rodeo.
Hey, boy, you know, we've been making stuff out of nothing with no money for the longest time. We don't need no money.
So when I get $5, it's a party point. Hey, for sure.
Hey, we had one of our hood parties, $20. Hey, we got the block lit.
You know what I mean? Bud, let me ask you this, bud. When you were growing up, did you go to the rodeo when you were growing up? Yeah, that was my first concert ever.
That's a big that's a big inside joke about it. The first concert I ever went to was Conway Twitty and Loretta Lynn when I was 10 years old.
I feel like Conway Twitty. The funny story.
The coal bottle's daughter, Loretta Lynn. Yeah, my mom had gotten a car wreck and a man had hit her.
And she was very nervous because this was in the 70s. You know what I'm saying? She's a black woman by herself in an accident with a white man.
She just knew, for example, that she would be at fault. But the police came.
He told the police, it was my fault. She did nothing.
He took care of everything. And then he asked her, would you like some tickets to go to the rodeo when the rodeo come? And she said, sure.
And she gave him my information and address that she never thought nothing of.

And a couple of weeks later, the tickets showed up.

And so they took the family to the rodeo.

And that was my first concert,

my first time ever being in the Astrodome.

You know what I'm saying?

And it left a lasting memory on me.

Like one of my first musical memories

is the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo concert.

And just, you know, over the years, going every different time, my wife shares these kind of memories. My wife saw Michael Jackson for the first time at the rodeo.
You know, a lot of people have, you know, you can basically, you know, have a timeline of your life based on different experiences at the rodeo. The first time you went as a youngster, the first time your parents dropped you off because it's literally the safest environment you can be in at the rodeo.

So there was a time when you get 15 to 16, your mama would drop you off at the rodeo

during spring break and you and your friends could hang out all night and then get picked

up later because it was a safe thing.

You know what I'm saying?

So it's been a part of many people's lives over the years.

And now people actually have a real-time experience at the rodeo.

And not just when I perform, we have like a 9,000 square foot installation called Trill

I'm going to go in and feel comfortable. I know that there are people from other races that feel funny trying to celebrate other cultures and mixed company because they're not allowed to be as free as they would like to be amongst some of their own people.
We provide a night where everybody can come and be who they want to be and nobody's going to look at you sideways because in order to enjoy it, you got to leave your prejudice at the note.

If you don't like white folks, you can't come because white folks are going to be there having a good time. If you don't like

black folks, you can't come because black folks are going to be there

having a good time. Straight folks, gay folks,

Mexicans, Asians, everybody comes out

and they're all having a good time. So the only way you can

enjoy it is to leave your bull stuff

at the note. And hopefully

we believe that if people have a good enough

time with other people of other cultures

and make friends and learn things, maybe they won't

pick it up when they leave. And they can leave their

Thank you. at the dope.
And hopefully we believe that if people have a good enough time with other people of other cultures and make friends and learn things that maybe they won't pick it up when they leave. And they can leave their prejudices outside for help.
That's live, man. Listen, when you're talking, I can hear the passion and enthusiasm in your voice the way you're explaining everything.
Listen, you've always... It's a new life, old Chuck.
It's a new life for me. Listen, you've always been vocal about social issues.
You know, you've engaged in various, various community initiatives in Houston. Man, what drives you still, you know, in your commitment to always give back to the community? And do you have any upcoming projects that you're excited about that you can tell us? We in Houston as entertainers, athletes, what have you, we have a different relationship with the public as other places do.
I believe that there are lines that are drawn, cultural lines, neighborhood lines, other things that come into play in other major cities in America where people can't really bond in the way that we bond, right? Like, LA has cultural lines. It has neighborhood lines that some people can't cross.
So that city can very, very seldom come together and unite. Same thing with New York.
Some people might be from Queens or Brooklyn or whatever. In Houston, we had division maybe 25, 30 years ago between the north side and the south side.
That doesn't exist anymore. Everybody sees themselves as Houstonians, no matter who you are and where you come from in the city.

So we've been able to build a connection with people that's different.

People see us in the grocery store.

People see us in the mall.

People see us in restaurants, at car washes, in the gym.

We're very visible and we're very approachable

and very personable.

So people feel like when they buy our music,

they're not just investing in music,

they're investing in people. They're investing in neighborhoods.
And they look at us as cultural exports. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like when you come to Houston, we don't brag about who the best Biggie, Jay-Z, or Nas.
We brag about who the best Slim Thug, Kiki, or Bun B. You know what I'm saying? Or Scarface.
Those are the kind of, we have a lot of pride. You know, Texas has always been a self-sustained entity.
It was its own country. And so, we never felt fully embraced until very recently.
Everything we wanted, we had to make it on our own. Entertainment-wise, if you wanted to be a recording artist, you know, a New York label or a LA label was probably not going to sign it.
So you had to go out, you had to make relationships with wholesalers and distributors and record stores and radio stations and club owners and all of that and make your way. And we all had to do it.
So there's a common respect that we all have for each other because we all kind of had to progress that particular path in order to make it. But it's the people, it's not just the artists, it's the people of Houston who don't look at us in that way.
Yeah, there may be somebody that's never seen me before and might be excited to get a picture, but if you roll with me through Houston for 12, 14 hours, you hear a lot of what's up, OG? Hey, what's up, B? What's up? It's not a lot of, oh my God, oh wow, we don't put those kind of walls with people. And that's why the relationship with us is a lot different.
You know what I'm saying? Now, as far as projects, we are opening the second store probably within the next seven days, seven to ten days. The second location at Trillburg will be open in Spring, Texas.
We'll have two more locations but by the end of the year and I'm currently in Dallas right now with the wife mainly, you know, so my anniversary and my birthday is four in point. So I would never forget my anniversary.
You know what I'm saying? So we spent the daytime, well, the anniversary letting us shop. We spent nighttime with me going to my favorite restaurant.
There's a carbone here. It's the closest car alone I can get to in Houston.
That's my favorite restaurant. So we drove up here.
We did a little shopping. We did some

dinner with a good friend of mine.

I'm probably looking at some locations tomorrow

right around Fresno and

Plano and a couple of different spots.

Looking for a location, but we hope to be

in Dallas and Austin by

summer next year.

Hey, Bon, check this out. What you think about Nightcap

at the rodeo?

Oh!

I think there's room to possibly do it at my activation. I don't think many people understand what the rodeo is.
The rodeo is a 21 day event. I'm only one night of 21 nights of concerts that take place in the NRG Stadium, the football stadium.
They average about 65,000, 66,000 people a night. Easy.
Wow. So it's arguably the biggest music festival in the world that isn't promoted as a music festival.
Because we're talking about 21 concerts day after day after day in the football stadium. You know what I'm saying? It's a huge undertaking.
Now, that being said, my space, my wife thought of the idea of bringing in a DJ booth and some space up there. There is a stage.
Now, next year, we can make it a little bit bigger. Okay.
We can make it a little bit bigger. That way, we can have room for y'all up there.
Yes, absolutely. What do you think about Nightcap and Trill Time? Two thumbs up.
That's what I'm talking about. I appreciate that.
We're going to, hey, OG, you know we're going to circle back on this now. We real talk now.
I'm hoping to because I want to make it a bigger weekend for people. We realize now that, and you know, you look at the music, Boots on the Ground, and all this other soul that's blowing up right now, that black cowboy country western lifestyle that's always existed is now in the forefront.
And my weekend at the rodeo is becoming a big proponent of that. You know what I'm saying? It gives a place that's big enough for everybody.
Because a lot of black rodeos, unfortunately, are still smaller. They're still growing.
They got a lot of momentum and energy, but they're still growing. They're still smaller.
My rodeo is the largest rodeo in the world. You know what I'm saying? So you wouldn't have a larger audience to cater to with that type of movement and motion.
My wife brought in DJ Payme from South Carolina. He's the biggest line dance and southern soul DJ in the country.
And we had people, our space couldn't even hold how many people wanted to dance. They were dancing in the street.
You know what I'm saying? It's just such a great way for people to come together and commune. That's what music has always been for people of color.
It's always been a reason for us to get together and commune. That, Domino's, playing cars, barbecue, crawfish, those are all excuses for us as a culture to come together and spend time together.
We don't even like each other, but if so-and-so, who doing the barbecue? Trey doing the barbecue. All right, I'll come.
Who cooking a potato salad? Nisa doing a potato salad. All right, I'll show up for that.
It's an excuse for us to get together. And so I'm looking at that we built something that now gives people an entry point.

If you don't know about it, you haven't had any experience,

this is a very easy entry point into this cultural representation. But for those of us that know, oh, it's the bad signal.

It's the bad signal.

When you talk about this, man, I'm thinking about your plate.

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Your plate is full, man.

Listen, your role as a musician, an entrepreneur, you're a community leader.

Man, how the hell you balance all these different facets of your career?

And what keep you motivated, baby?

Because just listen to it.

This is a lot.

It is, it is.

But I think everybody on this knows that God doesn't give you more than you can handle you just gotta figure out how to handle it right yes i have an amazing support system i have a beautiful strong black woman as a wife in my corner and the reason i've gotten this far it's not because i know it all i can do it all my wife refuses to settle for a lesser version of me so when she know i I'm not going all the way in and not giving my 100%, she'll hold me accountable. She'll be like, you know you can do better than that.
You know you're supposed to be doing more than that. There'll be a lot of times I want to phone it in.
I'll be like, man, I just want to stay home. Now, why would you do that knowing you told them people you was going to come? You know, my wife, I can't do it.
My do it. My wife knows, my wife believes of, has always believed in my greatness.
And when I don't live up to it because she talks about it, she holds me accountable. So I go out and do the rodeo and all that.
And the next day, I got to come home and put the trash out. You know, I got to pick up stuff in the garage.
I got to make sure I don't need the kitchen light on. All those things.
We, we, we have moments where we are very blessed and we get to see the world and travel the world and do all of that. But every other day, man, we are a family trying to exist, making sure our children, our grandchildren are okay, that we got a good home that's comfortable for us to live in.
All I got to do is give her a house and she going to make a home. You heard what he just said, huh? You see what I'm talking about? Yeah.
What I've been telling you now. But I'm trying to get him to settle down, but I'm trying to get him to find my wife because listen, the way you're talking, the way you're explaining things, it shouldn't be hard after hearing what you just said.
But she got to keep up with him though. That's the thing.
She got to keep up with him. He got to find a woman that's so busy, he get jealous.
Hey, listen, we found one for him. Hey, hey, hey, hey, one for him.
He interviewed her not too long ago. Wait till she ain't got, wait, wait till she ain't got no time for him.
We gonna find out where he's saying that. He gonna try to spend that money, spend that plane, plan that vacation, anything he can to spend time with that woman.
When he start, Ocho, when he start disregarding things He don't normally disregard Right And them assistants Start having to do things That he normally gonna do Yeah he got stuff on his mind Yeah he got him He got stuff on his mind I got one more question I got one more question This is going I'm sure a lot of people In the chat Would love to hear this answer Because I definitely Want to hear Who are your top five Houston rappers?

Your top five.

Oh, man.

Now, I'm just adding the fifth.

I'm going to make it five instead of four.

Okay.

We're going to start with K Reno.

K Reno is the OG of Houston rappers.

He's the height.

He's the epitome of what Houston rap foundation should have been built on. So we had the right OGs to start it off for us.
Obviously, Scarface, not just one of the best writers and rappers in Houston, but just, I mean, arguably the best storyteller that hip hop has ever had, ever. Very few people, I think only Tupac can really convey emotion through words on a rap song in the way that Scarface does.
When Scarface talks about death, you feel that loss when he talks about friends. Fraise has a song called Suicide and I'm talking about, I had never heard a song about somebody delving into the psyche of somebody that they thought was okay but wasn't okay and then you start to question making sure you're okay like this so the depth of scar faces of writing talents and mentality man have been criminally underrated in in the world of hip-hop um i think number three you got to go willie d oh willie d has been about Willie D is the prototype the prototype.
Willie D is the type of person that when you think of a Houston rapper meeting one in a dark alley, Willie D is who you project. That's somebody that has stood on all ten toes constantly, consistently, and still does.
The fun thing about watching Willie D one,

he loved the culture just as much as he always had.

And two,

he bought that just as much as he's always been.

There's certain things that you could,

you can count on and Willie D being about that life is absolutely one of them.

He still leads by example.

And he still makes us proud to be from Houston and knowing that,

you know,

whatever you say in this world,

you better stand on it.

Cause with some people, it might be a fight with it. Right.
You know what I'm saying? Number four. Number four, I might have to go out on a limb here, man.
I may have to go out on a limb with this one. I don't know how everybody's going to feel about this.
But I think Gangsta Knit may be one of the best rappers from Houston. And I'll tell you why.
The only reason that people really didn't get into Gangsta Nip is because of the subject matter. He did a lot of horror.
You know, he wrote stuff for Bushwick and a lot of his stuff. A lot of his music existed in this world of horror and gore and all of that type of stuff.
Friday the 13th, Jason, all of that type of stuff. But his flow in the mid-90s, the early 90s, I mean, it was some of the best rapping I've ever seen and done in my life.
And number five, I'm not going to put Pimp here because I feel like Pimp supersedes a lot of things in this argument. I'm going to go with Killer Calione.
Okay. I don't think anybody wants to be the best rapper in Houston more than him.
I don't think anybody takes the art of lyricism as serious as he does. Now, we got people that got a lot of motion.
Max O got motion. Megan has got motion.
Travis, O.T., Walkerer there's a lot of people from houston young artists up becoming talent that got art um that have motion and have fan bases and and i'm really making major moves but when we talk about just rap rapping like rapping and like looking in the motherfucking face and meaning what you say when you rap this stuff, I don't think anybody conveys that

more to Killer Collier. I think Killer

Collier could potentially be the best

lyricist to ever come

out of the city of Houston. He just got

a... The problem is he got too much

respect for his predecessors, and

I feel like in some form or fashion, as a

competitor, at some point, you can respect

the goat and still want to beat the goat at the same

time. I like it.
We're going to get you out of here on this one. I'm just going to wake up one day and say, man, F all that, man.
F Bun B and all of them. I'm going for the top.
And that's when it'll be the best. Bun, we're going to get you out of here on this one.
Which Houston team are you most excited about this year? Your Cougars, your Rockets, your Texans, or your Astros? Now, that's a great question. That is a great question.
It's always easy to be excited about the Cougars because at this point, that's a program that does this. That men's basketball team does this at this point.
They've gone into the last four marches being heavily favored. They've made it to the eighth at least two, three times.
I know the last two years for sure. I think they got a great chance of going all the way this season.
But at this point with that program, that's to be expected. These Astros are going through transition, right? We love Gregman.
That was a hometown hero. We love Alex Gregman.
You know, as we lost Correa, we lost a couple other guys, but we're bringing in, we always bring in young talent. That's been a great thing about this Astros organization that the Cranes have always brought in and nurtured young talent.
They draft well and they build talent up. They don't look to just go out and try to buy a player.
They're about winning several. They're not about winning this year.
They want to win several years. They've tasted it.
They know what it takes to get there, and they believe they can do it. But they're still in a little bit of rebuilding right now.
Lost a couple of pitchers, got McCullough's back. So we're going to figure it out.
They're a perennial playoff team, right? But it's going to take more this year to get to that final step than I think it has over the last two or three seasons The Rockets, I mean my goodness, look at this young team Young and talented You talk about a talented young team Tillman has done a great job of being like, you know what? We just got to start over We're not one or two team away. But I mean, he put this team on his shoulders of green.
Jalen is an amazing talent. I think he's a great leader.
I think Thompson is a problem. I think he's a beast on that team.
Yeah. I really...
Sungoon. Oh, I even got to him.
It took a while to figure out how to say his name. Nice.
It took a while to figure out how to say his name. He's nice.
It took a while to figure out how to say his name, but we got the promise with that young boy. Yeah, bro, he for real.
I understand that he grew up in the game of fundamentals, right? But he playing with some dogs. I watched him the other day try to do an over-behind-the-back pass.
He almost had. They teaching him that black top ball, right? They don't have to teach him fundamentals.
He doesn't have to pass and all that. They teaching him black top, no-look passes in the paint.
When he finds that step, that boy is going to be a real problem. But I say all that to say, this team has everything.
And, man, Udoka. Woo! That was a steal.
He's the right coach. That was a steal.
And I understand why he couldn't stay where he was, but I'm so glad he's where he is. Hmm.
But I'm so, that's a triple at the city. They love it because they get to see me every now and then.
So the city love that. Yeah.
But them Texans, man, man, them Texans. I think in two, three years, man, I think they're going to be the ones to beat, man.
It could happen in the next two years. This team is building a strong structure.
D'Amico knows exactly what he wants. The organization isn't scared to spend the money to give him what he wants.
And they're so embracive of the local culture. They do collaborations with local artists and they bring in different talent to perform at the games.
They allow me to bring my burgers into the stadium. They're doing everything they can to be as Houston-centric an organization as they can be.
They're putting the money where it needs to go. They're trying to strengthen that O-line.
I know everybody wasn't crazy about losing Tunsil, but I can understand organizationally why they feel they needed to go in another direction. I hear there were locker room problems.
There were a ton of penalties, right? A lot of things going on, and I just think they were growing in a different direction. I think that they supplemented the defense absolutely.
They're probably going to have to draft a little more to tighten up that O-line because they got to protect CJ. They got to protect CJ by all means.
I like the Kirk signing. I like bringing Christian Kirk in.
I think he's a fast, young player. He's got some good talent.
He definitely got hands, and CJ can hit him and drive, you know, because I knew we probably weren't going to keep Diggs another season. I don't think we were going to keep him another season.
So they had to start thinking receiver, receiver, receiver.

Tank had his surgery.

He's a young guy.

I think he'll recover quickly.

I honestly think Tank will be ready by game one of a 25-26 season.

But I think the Texans are a team that everybody has got to circle their calendar dates

when they play that team.

That defense is only getting better.

I'm curious to see what the new OC is going to do. I think that's going to be the big test, is what the new OC is going to be able to create with CJ, but at least they won't be as predictable in year three as they were in year two, because year one was a lot of surprises.
Year two, they pretty much tried to replicate the playbook, and people saw it a mile away. With a new OC, I think there's going to be a new approach.
I think he's going to find a better way of working with these new offensive lines. I feel positive about what we're doing as a team.
I would put it in that order. I would say Cougs, Astros, Rockets, and Texans for the one.
Hey, Triple OG, Bun B, bro, thank you for joining us. Congratulations on everything.
The Trill Burger franchises, the rodeo, your big staple in the community, what you do to uplift your community. We appreciate you.
We salute you here at Nightcap. Thanks for joining us.
We'll see you down the road. Absolutely.
Thank y'all for doing that drop for the rodeo for me last year, too. I'm always a problem, bro.
You know that. We're going to find some space to put y'all in that real time.
Matter of fact, the people want to see that. Not only that, let me perform.
You know, I can sing now. I think we're breaking up.
Yeah, we are. Night of OG.
Appreciate that. Thank you, bro.
I told y'all I had that right there?

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That's the Triple OG iPod.

That's live.

That's the number two version.

This one holds 10,000 songs.

This one holds 1,000 songs. Y'all remember the iPad touch? iPod touch? Damn.
And check this out. That stuff might be worth something because it looks like you got to.
Don't worry about it. And it might be, I mean, guess what? It's supposed to be worth something with this plus 5,200.
Wait, come again? It's supposed to be this plus 5200.

All your stuff is in good condition.

Like, main condition, you could probably get a good price for it.

Look at this, OG.

You know what this is, Ocho?

That's the iPhone 9.

No, that's the original one.

I thought it started with number 9.

Or am I tripping?

Man, it started with number 1.

What the hell you talking about now?

Y'all remember that? That's crazy crazy Hey, and you know what you do? Put saran wrap back in and pretend like it's brand new No, I ain't getting rid of it You know how much money you can get for that? The original iPhone? I mean, somebody probably Somebody probably give me like five grand for it because it's the original. It ain't never been active.

It ain't never been turned on.

They never had no phone number.

How much you said they can give you for it?

Probably about five dollars. You go ahead and sell that one.

I owe you $200.

No, they ain't got no choice.

It's mine.

You remember the Samsung?

Samsung?

That's a Android.

I ain't never had no Android.

Look at that. Yeah, I ain't never had no joy.
That's a Galaxy Note right there. Oh, Galaxy Note.
Hey, listen, I'll tell you one thing. You ever text me in the turn green, I'm going to block you.
Yeah. I'm going to block you.
I got a little stuff. I got to show you all my phone.
I got about 17, 18 phones. Damn.
Yeah, because I keep them. Also, a debate went viral on Twitter asking, should parents make their kids pay bills if they work a job? And the response went viral saying, I'm just going to say it.
This is a big problem in the black community, and we have to stop it. A lot of parents need help with their bills.
So they take the money from their kids and disguise it as teaching them responsibility. And it's actually pretty effing ridiculous.
Ocho, what do you think? You, you, you gotta, you gotta teach your kids responsibility at some point. You have to, I think if they're staying with you after the age of 18, now, if they're saving up, I wouldn't, I wouldn't I wouldn't make my kids my my kids if they need to stay with me after the age of 18 are you saving up to get yourself a place you have to have some sense of responsibility I'm not gonna always be around so you're gonna you're gonna have to be able to be able to fend for yourself I can teach you how to fish I can teach you how to fish so you know how to do it when I'm not around.
Now, if I do everything for you and still coddle you and have you up under my roof and you're not having any type of responsibilities and you go out there in the real world, you're going to be lost. We can't have that.
We can't have that. We got to have some type of structure and discipline and method on how things are to go as a grown adult.

You'd have to.

But being under my roof and making sure,

allowing you to save your money and get yourself together until you're ready to go on on your own

and be an adult, start

a family, whatever it may be,

I'm all for that. I'm all for that.

Yeah. I mean, no, Joe, I

helped my grandmother with bills, but she didn't

ask me to. I just felt it was the right thing to do

because I saw my grandmother struggling.

I don making money. And so what I'm going to continue to watch her struggle.
Now, she's struggling trying to put food on the table for us. She's struggling trying to put food, get clues on our back.
So here I am. I got a job and I'm not making a whole lot of money, but $10 a lot with a lot of money back in the 70s.
$20 was a lot of money back in the 70s. So, you know, I'm working two jobs.
Hey, I mean, the first time I got a job, I was five years old. I was walking behind the tobacco picker in the back of the field.
1973, 1974. And from that time, I started from walking behind the tobacco picker to carrying a rope to doing that.
So I'm working 10, 12 hours a day doing that. Come home, shower with me and my cousin.
We play basketball and then go catch chickens for another three, four hours. And chicken was a dollar a chicken, right? A dollar a thousand.
So we catching eight to 12,000 a night. That's $12.
Now, you only count chicken between Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday because Friday was the last day. There is nothing going on on Saturday.
So you started so they were going to be there. No, actually, Thursday was the last day.
Thursday was the last day. You didn't catch you on Friday because they were off on Saturday and Sunday.
The chicken that you caught Sunday, they were there for the crew. The plant was operational Monday through Friday.
So you caught Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. And so, you know, hey, I'm bringing home $5 a day plus half a day on Saturday, $27.50, plus we catch $8,000 to $12,000 four nights a week.
So I'm making maybe $60, but I'm working a boat out. Hey, listen.
Back then, you know how far you can stretch $60 back then? Yeah. Man, stop playing.
So even if I didn't help, guess what? I bought my own school clothes. There ain't a whole lot of 8, 9, 10- olds, 11 year olds buying their own school clothes.
Well, who else was going to get them? What the hell I was working for? Hang on. I'm working, going to hold my money.
I'm going to hold my money in my pocket. I'm watching my grandma struggle.
I got a question. What kind of clothes you wore back then? Like Jordache? Nah, nah, nah, you know, you know,

we had them

tough, tough skins. But hey,

then as I got older,

Lee Jeans were in.

You had Sergio Rigoletto.

You did have, yeah,

yeah, you had

Levi and stuff like Izon.

You had Polo, you had Docs on. Did you ever have a pair of rules? Please tell me you had rules with a zipper on the side I didn't You know what rules are, right? Kangaroos? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah Oh yeah, yeah, yeah You ain't had none of them? Please No, we had Chuck Taylor You know back then, Ocho, know, back then, Ocho, the Chuck Taylor's the white.

You had the highs and you had the lows.

But you had them in all different colors.

They came in black.

They came in red.

They came in blue.

They came in green.

So, you know, you got mainly, I only had the white.

I had the highs and the lows.

And I got a blue pair.

Hey, you know what's funny?

They go with everything.

It don't matter.

You wear the black pair, you don't want the white pair. They go with everything.
Yes. Yes.
And so, like I said, for me, and I get it. I mean, I can see her point.
I'm trying to teach responsibility, but I was teaching myself responsibility. Because my whole purpose, like, man, I see my grandma struggling.
She's working that job, making $197 every two weeks. And she's, you know, working in a nursing home, the very nursing home that she ended up living her final day, the last two years of her life.
Nah, man, I couldn't in good conscience. I could not in good conscience have money in my pocket and then have my grandma worried about, well, boy, I don't know how I'm going to pay this bill.
I don't know, you know, the phone. I don't know about the gas.
I don't know about the lights. Man, please.
So me, I took it upon myself. And that is still my responsibility to this day is to make sure my family is taken care of.
But, you know, hey, my kids and their moms have done a great job helping them understand. That's your daddy money.
Now, if he choose to give you some, that's on him.

I owe you an education.

I gave you the best education

because for the most part, you didn't stay

but you started out in private school

and you had college paid for. You got a car.

You left college with

no debt, no student loans,

no car loans.

Same.

Now, anything I do after that, that's out of the

kindness of my heart, but I don't owe you anything.

Now, hopefully I do after that,

that's out of the kindness

of my heart,

but I don't owe you anything.

Now,

hopefully,

you learned a lot

from your mom

and from your dad

to be self-sufficient.

Now,

I'm not going to let you drown.

Nah,

never that.

Or at least,

you know,

you might think you're drowning.

Matter of fact,

I might let you

take on some water. Matter of fact, I might let you take on some water.

Matter of fact,

you know,

my baby,

remember I told you

my daughter at Prairie B&M,

you know,

she graduated.

She graduated May 16th.

May 16th to May 17th.

Remember what I told you

she wanted for graduation,

huh?

Yeah.

That G-Wagon.

So we had a conversation

when I was with all the kids.

I told her,

I said,

listen,

she done made the Dean's List,

the honor roll.

She done made everything. So I'm like, listen, now what you want? Now you say you wanted a Mercedes.
What is it? So I'm thinking she was going to say G-Wagon. And she said, no, daddy, you know I don't really want no G-Wagon.
I said, well, what happened? What made you change your mind? She said, I think it's too much. The maintenance.
I just think I just want a starter. Just give me a C300.
I say, now we talking. Now we talking.
You want a white one? I could tell them to make your interior pink, you know, with the AK, stitched in the seat and all that. Ocho, what happens when she got to get rid of it? You better hope she's selling it another, aka...
What the hell you talking about? I won't slide it. Man, you know, when we were coming to Ocho back then, guys used to get the headliner, get Gucci.
I said, well, you better... Yeah, I said, well, you better hope...
Hey, get their initials black. I said, you better hope you find another dude named Black that want to buy it.
Because I promise you, you're going to get the great cross the Coles trying to sell it. Syracuse football head coach Fran Brown has a policy that his players must save 40% of their NIL checks.
There's no way as a coach that I'm going to pay you a lot of money, and then you're going to walk away from here with no money. Says during the upbringing in Camden, New Jersey, it could have been a difference in paying rent, keeping the lights on, buying food for his siblings.
What do you think? Yeah, I like that. I like that.
Because at some point, especially when you're that young, you know, kids, kids these days don't understand financial literacy. They get the money, they spend the money.
They had this, they had this mindset that, that worth and value is based on aesthetics and the accessories that you purchase. That makes you feel like you were greater than and make you worth or it makes you feel special.
I want kids to understand, especially people in the chat, that a lot of players and athletes today, regardless of sport that they play,

they feel that they have to live way above their means

based on the type of money they're making.

People in the chat, players that see this,

there is nothing, I guarantee you and I promise you,

there is nothing you can buy

that holds more weight or value than your name alone.

Nothing.

No.

Nothing than the name that's on that birth certificate.

Because when you take off all that designer, all the jewelry, all the watches, that in itself is the value.

It is.

Your car, your Lamborghinis and your Rolls Royce and your iced out Watts and your chains and all. Man, that shit don't mean nothing, man.
Nothing. The true value.
Can you get the same reaction without the car? Without the clothes? Without the jewelry? Can you still pull the same chicks? That's your value. That's your real worth.

Can you still do the same things you do with all the accessories,

aesthetics on when you don't have it on?

Yeah, come on, man.

Stop playing, man.

Oh, Joe, the thing is for me, people like, I don't like money.

I like freedom.

Freedom is what you get when you have money. Those are two things some people just want money I want freedom hey financial freedom is a beautiful thing and a lot of people we look at all the numbers we look at these contracts, you know? Still to this day, money keeps going up, right? And one thing that has changed, when you look up statistically, the same amount of players are still going broke two years removed from the game, even though the money continues to rise.
Yeah, that's a story. The fact that nothing is changing from a financial standpoint because there's no structure and discipline when it comes to spending.
Because our mindset is, well, if you give me more, I won't go broke. Yeah.
But if you ain't got no financial discipline, it don't matter how much I give you because you're just going to keep on spending. Exactly.
The more you make, the more you'll spend. Because you're like, oh, man, I got this.
I got this now. I can do this.
It goes so fast, man. It goes so fast.
Before you look up, you got an entourage. You got an entourage.
You the golden goose. You got to feed everybody else.
You go shopping. Now you got to buy everybody else something.
You go to the club, you spending $40,000 in the section

buying bottles. You got a bunch of chicks

trying to impress

them for what?

For what? They done Googled how much you making.

You ain't got to do nothing. Your name alone

going to get you the woman you want anyway.

They going to deal with you based off a name

alone. Man, what are we doing?

Man, stop playing. The volume.