Nightcap: Lakers beat Nuggets, Vikings are making McCarthy QB1, & Cam Heyward recruiting pitch to Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 4 Lakers beat the Nuggets 121.08. Win their third straight game during the five-game homestand.
Yoke, Jamar Murray was out. LeBron Rui was out.
Luca, 31 points, nine rebounds, seven assists.

Speaker 4 Luca is his 230-point game. He had a 20-point quarter and a 20-point half.

Speaker 4 So he had it going early. Austin Reeves had it going early.
Oh, yo, I mean, for them, like the first quarter, they could not miss a three. They had 45 points

Speaker 4 in the first quarter. Stepped off the gas a little bit in the second quarter.
Let them get back into the ball game. Stepped on the gas again on the third quarter, blew the game open.

Speaker 4 I think the Nuggets scored 31, 32 points in the third quarter, fourth quarter, but it wasn't nearly enough. Yoke, excuse me, Luca, 31 points, nine rebounds, seven assists.

Speaker 4 His 230-point game, Austin Reeves had 22.8 assists.

Speaker 4 But I thought the Lakers played really well. They set the tempo early.
They didn't play down to the level of competition. North, two of their best players without it.
And sometimes you get that, Ocho.

Speaker 4 The Warriors made that mistake the other night.

Speaker 4 They looked at it like, oh, Murray, not playing. Oh, Yoke, not playing.
And the next thing you know, you find yourself with an L hung on you.

Speaker 4 But watching the game, Ocho, what you thought about the Lakers and how they look tonight? I mean, it was impressive. It was very impressive.

Speaker 4 Not only did luca come out and set the tone in the first quarter with 22 in the first quarter actually he said stay luca set the tone for the game

Speaker 4 with what he did in the first quarter coming out with 21 points in the first half and in the first quarter and everybody everybody played well most of the time on what happens is when you play a team that doesn't have a player like murray playing and the other joke how you said what's his name joker

Speaker 4 okay jokic jokic yokic i don't know why i keep calling him joker jokic

Speaker 4 playing you play down to your competition most of the time you end up losing similar to how the how the warrior did the other night but obviously the lakers didn't do that they did slow down at some point but it wasn't enough for the nuggets to get back in the game and they eventually ended up winning the game so i mean it was a good game obviously the superstars are out uh you would have liked to have seen Jokic playing and murray lebron healthy luca playing just to see a team at full strength to see what the game would have been like.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I thought the Lakers, I thought JJ had a good game plan, but when the shots are playing down the game plan,

Speaker 4 I thought they moved the ball early. I think sometimes the Lakers get careless.
They're time, look, you just have to accept Luca is going to try some things. I mean, he's going out of bounds.

Speaker 4 He tries to throw a pass behind his back, turnover. And that's what allowed the Nuggets to make this run.
They started turning the ball over the second quarter. Hold on, what he did? What he did?

Speaker 4 Going out of what? He's going out of bounds and tried to throw the ball behind his back to a guy right there in front of the basket. I was like, Lord, have mercy, Luca.
But that's Luca.

Speaker 4 You have to accept the good with the bad. Right.
Because that's his game. That's what he's, that's how he plays.
And you got to think about it.

Speaker 4 You got to think about it. When it comes to him, now you do some things you don't like.
You got to accept the good with the bad, but there's more good than bad when it comes to him, what he's playing.

Speaker 4 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 4 AR, man, AR has been great. I like this game, but you could tell, and you look at him from the time he got there to where he is now.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 He's immensely better. You can tell he's a student of the game.
You can tell he put time in on his game. You can tell that it's important to him.
And that's what I like to see.

Speaker 4 Regardless of the sport you play, it needs to mean something to you. You got to want to get better.
You can't rest on your laurels.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he got a three-year contract, probably paid him like $13, $14 million.

Speaker 4 He said, nah, I want one of them big daddies. I want one of them 200s.

Speaker 4 And he gonna get it. And he would have earned it.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 He would have earned it. And you see why the Lakers were so unwilling to part ways with him.
Everybody in every trade always tried to include him.

Speaker 4 And a lot of trades broke down because the Lakers were unwilling to part ways with him. They saw the improvement.
They saw

Speaker 4 the maturation. Getting better from the three, getting better at finishing at the rim, got Niles handles.
He's putting the ball to the floor. Got the nice snatch pool.

Speaker 4 He's really, he's turned himself into an all-star caliber player. And I understand that there are a lot of great guards.

Speaker 4 And, you know, you got to get by Steph and you got Ja and you got Shea Gilders and you got Harden. You got some in Kyrie.
You got some really good guards in the Western Conference.

Speaker 4 But man, the way he's playing, he's an all-star caliber. You know, he's an all-star caliber player.

Speaker 4 And he can handle the ball. LeBron has trusted him for a very, very long time.
If you go back and look at that

Speaker 4 Memphis Grizzlies series he actually won him a game lebron's like nope don't give the ball to me you take it go win the game for us and he's done that so i i just love the way he's improved how he's gotten better and this laker team i think if they get healthy i think they can be dangerous um i still think they're a big short right but hey we'll see what we'll see what happens when the rubber needed to meet the road yeah well listen you know the game of basketball very well so does everybody else everyone else with the knowledge of the game of basketball has said the same thing about the lakers

Speaker 4 they don't have a big in order to compete in order to go as far as you need to go you're gonna have to have a big

Speaker 4 and they they just don't have it but we can we can see

Speaker 4 we're gonna we're gonna see what they can do with that two-headed monster once once lebron comes back we'll see what happens well because they're gonna be small once jackson hays goes out of the lineup they're small i mean colloco uh uh

Speaker 4 he's okay yeah um

Speaker 4 a little small uh height okay height's fine but he just don't have enough bricks in his back pocket. And so then, you know, people can just uproot him and just move him off, move him off the spot.

Speaker 4 On the spot, yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. But, you know, I mean, and there are going to be some times that probably LeBron's going to have to slide to the five.

Speaker 4 And, you know,

Speaker 4 I mean, because really, if you really think about it, there's not a whole lot of guys that have, you know. Rudy Gobert is not going to cause you any damage.

Speaker 4 Basically, you know, they got Hardenstein. They got Chet Horn.

Speaker 4 But when you look at

Speaker 4 Memphis, Zach Eady, he's just a big body. He just sits screaming and stuff like that.
Yeah, taking us. Back to the basket.
Yeah, taking us space.

Speaker 4 So you look at the teams. Now, Sungun, Sungun, now, he can be a problem for the Rockets.
Yes, sir. Yeah, he's an all-star.
He's an all-star for a reason. But like I said, I like the Lakers.

Speaker 4 LeBron gets healthy. Luca is Luca come playoff time.
He has the third highest scoring. No, he has the second highest scoring average in playoff history.
With that being said, LeBron's healthy.

Speaker 4 LeBron is a top five in playoff history as far as scoring. They can do some damage, but I just wish they had another big.
I don't know why they signed Alex Lynn.

Speaker 4 Hey, Uncle, you ain't been too high on Brother Lynn.

Speaker 4 What's wrong with Brother Lynn?

Speaker 4 He's probably about 35 days away from being the tallest coach in history.

Speaker 4 That's his next profession. It ain't going to be in the NBA.
It's going to be coaching basketball somewhere. Maybe high school.
Okay,

Speaker 4 the Vikings are set to roll with J.J. McCarthy.
Thank you. Not pursue Aaron Rodgers.
Thank you. The Vikings have rejected multiple trade calls for J.J.

Speaker 4 McCarthy, telling other teams they're moving forward with him as their quarterback. The team plans to add a veteran, but they're not pursuing Aaron Rodgers at this time.

Speaker 4 McCarthy now enters the offseason as QB1. That's a good thing.
That's a good thing.

Speaker 4 And listen, I don't like the way Aaron Rodgers is using the leverage, using his past, his accolades, his resume, and what he's done in the past. The whole team's steadily at hostage.

Speaker 4 Now, some of the reports might be... They hold him hostage.
Move on.

Speaker 4 Oh, well,

Speaker 4 they're allowing him. Just like Green Bay allowed him to do all the things that he did.

Speaker 4 The Jets allowed. Green Bay allowed it.
The Jets allowed it. Just move on.

Speaker 4 That's exactly what they should do. Now, this is what I like about Minnesota.

Speaker 4 The reports came out about Minnesota obviously being in the hunt for trading for him and what they did right away. It ain't even been two days.
Oh, we're going to nix that real quick.

Speaker 4 We don't have time to play them games with you.

Speaker 4 So obviously you haven't learned your lesson with the last two places you've been to because now here you go to the other teams, you're not sure on what you want to do yet.

Speaker 4 Having them wait, using the leverage that you do have, the little bit of leverage you still have to play games. I'm glad that Minnesota Vikings came out and said what they said.

Speaker 4 They're going forward with J.J.

Speaker 4 McCarthy because you drafted him for a reason and you understand what he can do, especially with the supporting cast he has around him, because you saw what Sam Darner was able to do.

Speaker 4 He wasn't able to do it with the Jets, he wasn't able to do it with the Panthers. But all of a sudden, he comes to Minnesota and he has a career year.

Speaker 4 And that's this time for JJ McCarthy to step up and do the same damn thing. And that's what he's probably going to do because what he has around him is very, very special.

Speaker 4 Yeah, well, you got to find out if the guy can play or not, Ojo. Well, he can play.
I mean,

Speaker 4 you keep kicking the cand down the road. Yeah.
But listen, even if he couldn't play, we didn't think Sam Darner could play either when he was was with the Jets.

Speaker 4 We didn't think he could play when he was with the Panthers. But all of a sudden, magically, he turned into goddamn Houdini over there in Minnesota.

Speaker 4 But we saw what he looked like the last two games of the season.

Speaker 4 Because, see, there's this thing called expectation. Yeah.
You tell me, because think about what you just said. You didn't think Sam Donnell was going to do that.

Speaker 4 Nobody thought Sam Tronel was going to do that until expectations came along. And then expectations came along.
Oh, we got to get the number one seed. And then what happened?

Speaker 4 Oh, we're in the playoffs. Then what happened? He turned back into Sam Darnold.
You see, expectations is the number one killer of goals and dreams. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Because the moment someone expects something of you, see, that's the only way you could hurt me, Ocho.

Speaker 4 Hey, you got to hurt me. If I don't expect anything, if I'm in a relationship and I'm just casually, I don't expect nothing.
Hey, you do you, I'm going to do me.

Speaker 4 It's the moment we have expectations in each other. See? That it bothers me, that it hurts me if you do something that I don't agree with.
See what I mean? So the Vikings started to have expectations.

Speaker 4 We started to have expectations for Sam Darno. And you see what happened?

Speaker 4 Now,

Speaker 4 you was preaching a little too fast. Now, I'm not sure the people in the chat, I'm not sure the people in the chat didn't catch that, but that was a moment.

Speaker 4 That was a moment a lot of people might have missed because we're talking about football, but that's something that could apply to life that I think a lot of people missed, but I didn't miss it because as soon as I heard it, you know, I keep that thing on me.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you keep it on you. Expectation.
Now, bring that to me again. I got to write it down.

Speaker 4 Now, when it gets to the end of the year, what I'm going to do is I'm going to take all these quotes that I wrote down

Speaker 4 and I'm going to make a nightcap booklet called

Speaker 4 these quotes

Speaker 4 so that people can apply it to life.

Speaker 4 Expectations. Just get to one more time.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 it's the number one killer of dreams and goals. Because here's the thing, Ocho.
Sam Darnold, nobody, because they're like, man, he was terrible with the Jets. Well, he was terrible with Carolina.

Speaker 4 Well, we didn't get an opportunity to see him really at Sam Frayn. So everybody was expecting, remember, the last two stops that they saw him, that he wasn't that good.

Speaker 4 Okay, so now he doesn't have any expectations. The more you win, the more expectations come along with that.
So now,

Speaker 4 the last couple of games of the season, oh Joe, we got an opportunity to get the number one seed. Right.

Speaker 4 Boom. Oh, we're in the playoffs now.
Don't matter, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 4 Boom. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And you know,

Speaker 4 that playoff atmosphere is different now. That's a whole different ballgame

Speaker 4 than playing in the regular season. Regular season, he looked phenomenal.
It's a different type of pressure, again, the one word expectation that

Speaker 4 comes with being the quarterback.

Speaker 4 Especially in that type of situation. So

Speaker 4 I kind of understand in the team you are playing or had to play.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but that's what happens when you have expectations, Ocho. Like I said, and I like to equate things to relationships because most of the people, especially in our chat, has been a relationship.

Speaker 4 You can't relate to it. Yeah.
Yeah. It's the moment you have expectations.
You see, when a couple's in a relationship in marriage, there's an expectation.

Speaker 4 You're going to be faithful. I'm going to be faithful.
Oh, I'm going to protect you. You're going to protect me.
Come on, man.

Speaker 4 I'm going to honor the vows that we stood before God and we swore to each other. Now,

Speaker 4 I have that expectation.

Speaker 4 But hey, if you say, hey, what are you doing tonight?

Speaker 4 I ain't going to be able to see you tonight. And everybody, there's like, there's no expectations.
I have no obligation. You have no obligation to me.
I see you what I see you. Holler what I holler.

Speaker 4 And you know what I don't like about, you know what I don't like about the analogy and the explanation that you're giving right now is the marriage one normally doesn't work.

Speaker 4 But the one with that no expectations, hell, you'd be friends, you'd be, you'd be, um, you'd be sneaky links or whatever you want to call it for years and years and years and years all the way down the line because there are no expectations so there's no failure or reason for anything to ever end all but here's the here's the sneaky part ocho where to get you

Speaker 4 you see the number one

Speaker 4 the number one cause that cause will cause a relationship to end is uncommunicated expectations

Speaker 4 you see ocho She expected you to get her flowers and you didn't get them. Why didn't you tell me you wanted flowers? You expected her, she expected you, Ocho, to plan this vacation.
Right.

Speaker 4 You didn't know she wanted to go on a vacation.

Speaker 4 Uncommunicated expectations. I like that.
Ocho thought that you know what? Hey, she's going to do this thing for Father's Day. We're going to do it up, blah, blah, blah.
She didn't do it.

Speaker 4 You see, uncommunicated expectations, but again, uncommunicated. But what's the end part? Expectations.

Speaker 4 I like that. I haven't heard that.
I haven't even heard that word before. Not used, not used in this context and actually used together.

Speaker 4 Uncommunicated expectations.

Speaker 4 I like that. That's

Speaker 4 new for me. She has an expectations, but she didn't communicate them with you.

Speaker 4 You have an expectations, but you didn't communicate them with her. So, those uncommunicated expectations, and what happens, a lot of times, people have what we call implosive personalities.

Speaker 4 They hold things, hold things, hold things. There's only so much you can hold before it explodes.

Speaker 4 The term, oh, you went postal. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Boom. And so now, instead of just saying, well, you know, Chad, I thought that we were going to do this.
Right. No, one month go by.
Two months go by. Three months go by.

Speaker 4 Four months go by. And it's building.
Wait, months? You don't know. It's not been communicated.
So you don't know.

Speaker 4 It's building. It's building.
It's building.

Speaker 4 Boom.

Speaker 4 Then it blows. Yeah.

Speaker 4 You've been with me all this time. You should have known.
You see, how many times have you heard that, OJo? All the time, you know what I like, yeah.

Speaker 4 All the time, all the time, because you've been with him a certain amount, you've been with someone for a certain amount of time, and you know, women all the time.

Speaker 4 Oh, I know you real well, I know you real well. I knew what she's gonna say.
You can say something, yeah, she can finish the sentence for you,

Speaker 4 but all of a sudden, when it comes to certain stuff, oh, you didn't want to let me. I didn't know you wanted that.
I ain't know that. I didn't know you wanted, oh, you can't read my mind.

Speaker 4 I threw you hints. I gave you a sign a few i gave you a sign a few weeks ago a sign

Speaker 4 yeah what

Speaker 4 yeah yeah in the commercials i mentioned it when it came on tv yeah i missed the sign that god gave me what you want

Speaker 4 you should have told say should say i missed the sign that god gave me i should have left your ass alone about six months ago I missed that sign.

Speaker 4 And that's the thing. I just think, you know, sometimes we take for granted and you've been in a relationship.
Just tell me. Yeah.

Speaker 4 i i'm very i'm one of these guys ojo just tell me yeah if you want to do something tell me i don't have time i got too much ish on my plate yeah to try to try to figure out what you want you can just open your mouth and say if you want to go here say that if you want to eat that say that if you want this say that but the guy me

Speaker 4 You know, you know what to talk about. You know what to talk about on them shows.
Uh-oh.

Speaker 4 What they got to do do with this? What that got to do with you telling me

Speaker 4 what you would like to do?

Speaker 4 And so I think the thing is for the Vikings, they have an expectation now. They see their offense.

Speaker 4 They realize that, hey, Jeddah's going to be Jeddah. Hawkinson's been a Pro Bowl player.
Addison, hey, the more opportunities we give him, the better he can be.

Speaker 4 Offensive line, maybe they add a piece to the offensive line. But other than that,

Speaker 4 I think you, you, you owe it. I mean, you draft the kid when you drafted him,

Speaker 4 and now you, you, you keep kicking the can down the road. And

Speaker 4 then he's like, hold on, what I got to do? You took me, you told me I was the guy, and now I get hurt. Okay, I get that.
I understand that. I got hurt.
There's nothing I can do about that, OJo.

Speaker 4 But then I come back,

Speaker 4 and y'all got another guy you tell me. I got to wait another year.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
And

Speaker 4 that was bothering. That would bother anybody, especially a quarterback that got drafted drafted where he got drafted, expected to start, but due to injury, he had a small setback.

Speaker 4 And now you've done all the work you need to do during the season last year to get yourself back, not only in playing shape physically and mentally, but now you talk about bringing somebody else in, another veteran president, and telling me I got to take a back seat again?

Speaker 4 Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

Speaker 4 What are we talking about here? So I'm happy for him. I'm glad that the organization decided to hurry up and mix the rumors that were out there about Aaron Rodgers coming in and let J.J.

Speaker 4 McCarthy give him that sense of security mentally so he can go forward and know he's quarterback one and doesn't have to look over his shoulder. I agree.

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Speaker 4 Well, this is what

Speaker 4 Cam Hayward,

Speaker 4 the great defensive tackle for the Pittsburgh Steelers, was asked if he'll be doing any recruiting to help bring Rodgers to Pittsburgh. I ain't doing none of that darkness retreat.

Speaker 4 I don't need any of that crap. Either you want to be a Pittsburgh Steeler or you don't.
That's simple. That's the pitch.
If you want me to recruit, that's recruiting pitch, Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 4 If you want to be a part of it, so be it. If you don't, no skin off my back.
Hey, huh? There are certain teams. You look at the logo on the helmet.
They don't don't need no help.

Speaker 4 They don't need no recruiting pitch. The product sells itself.
Again,

Speaker 4 I always use that example of Blue Magic in the movie American Gangster with Denzel Washington. The product sells itself.

Speaker 4 The Steelers historic franchise, them stars on the side of the helmet, it sells itself. The other franchise,

Speaker 4 things are bigger in Texas.

Speaker 4 The product sells itself. You don't need to do anything for it.
You don't have to recruit nobody.

Speaker 4 You don't have to sell nobody nothing because it sells itself.

Speaker 4 That wouldn't be a recruitment, Ojo. That would be begging.
And that's what he wants. Thank you.
I like that. Because what did

Speaker 4 the Jets do? The Jets got on a private plane and flew to him. Yes, sir.

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 Ocho, I don't know if you saw this, but I had young Miami on the podcast. Hey,

Speaker 4 hey, well, I saw you shooting, boy. Hey, listen.

Speaker 4 Let me tell you something.

Speaker 4 Hey, you were shooting 70% from the field that night, boy. Hey, no, 70%.

Speaker 4 Oh, don't do that. I see you blushing, baby.

Speaker 4 I wasn't shooting. Hey, no.
Yeah, you should.

Speaker 4 I'm just having great conversations.

Speaker 4 You know when you conversate, that's called shooting. That depending on what you say, it ain't what you say.
It's how you say it. It's all about your delivery, baby.
You was on point.

Speaker 4 You was on point. But let them tell it.
I was shooting that cash, dog. I was shooting at Amber Rose.
I was shooting that young man. No, no, no.

Speaker 4 I was shooting that Kiki.

Speaker 4 I was like, what damn. I was shooting that Megan Gunn.
I was like, Dave,

Speaker 4 can I have a conversation? Well, this was a little different now. You didn't shoot at Cass Doll.
You didn't shoot at nobody else.

Speaker 4 Now, it's this the conversation and the energy and the aura and the chemistry in which you can't see. You can't see it because you actually in the room.
See, I'm not in the room with you, huh?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I can see, I can see the heat coming off the couch.

Speaker 4 You hear me? I can see the connection in the chemistry.

Speaker 4 Now, I'm not, I'm talking about the type of chemistry when you play Twister, that kind of chemistry, where they say red, and you got the crossover. You hear me?

Speaker 4 Yeah, i've seen it now you can't see it so it's it's it's my dude just i'm in the room listen i know you're in the room that's why you can't see that so i'm trying to tell you what i saw

Speaker 4 huh your wifi was on point i'm talking about every every bar was there it was there it was a connection there was chemistry you can't see it so i and you're doing that what you will and what you make i ain't doing nothing with it i'm not doing anything with it we're we're happy i'm 1000 um okay um um i i i for me right

Speaker 4 i i i couldn't in good conscience right it's almost it would be almost like I'm a therapist and some

Speaker 4 lady comes and talks about a problem and then I end up sleeping with her. Or if I'm a lawyer and I have a client and I know she's, she's, uh, uh

Speaker 4 she's vulnerable. Right.
Right. Nah.
Right, bro. I'm just having a conversation.
I mean, I love the fact. Let me see.
Let me see. You know, this is the problem.
This is the problem.

Speaker 4 This is what happens when it comes to us. When it comes to us, our people, we overthink things.

Speaker 4 We overthink things and we try to analyze them and we put things in our head with a scenario like you just did now you just said a scenario you gave a narrative that fit the way you thought

Speaker 4 this individual is based on the situation that you created now see god always has a plan for us and he puts people in our life in certain situations and you're missing your blessing that could be

Speaker 4 now young miami chose to come do club shayshay and sat down with you yes now that could have been a sign

Speaker 4 i'm grateful for every guest yeah now listen that could have been a sign from god you never know now what i saw when i watched the interview i said boy this is more than just a talk this is more than just a conversation now i can see the energy i can see the aura i can see i can see the the the the the chemistry on camera now you can't see it and i'm telling you again now listen to me when i talk to you because i wouldn't tell you and i wouldn't steal you wrong because this wheel the wheel over here jesus got this one okay

Speaker 4 I'm telling you,

Speaker 4 I'm not telling you to make no moves. I'm just telling you,

Speaker 4 I can see it. And I'm not.
sure.

Speaker 4 Ojo. I know.

Speaker 4 I know we got people watching. You really don't want to say nothing now.
No, no, no, no, no, no. It's not that there's not people watching.
It's just like, you heard what she said?

Speaker 4 Man, guys show, oh Joe, guys showing up with Croc Birkins. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Well, you just...

Speaker 4 Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, man. Now, you just talked about, I want somebody.

Speaker 4 You talked about waves just the other night, now. You talked about Birkins and G-Wagon.
Now, this is right up your alley. It's about what you, this is what you were talking about.

Speaker 4 Ocho, oh, Joe, that's a buildup. She said Birkins now is a starter pack.
Right. I'm thinking LB.
I'm thinking Gucci, YSL. I'm thinking D.R.
Right. She say Birkins, Croc Birkins.
Right.

Speaker 4 That's a starter pack. Guys buying G.

Speaker 4 Man, man, come on, man. Y'all know my guy.

Speaker 4 First of all, you say you want him young, huh? Didn't I tell you? Didn't I tell you you got to evolve? This is what you got to deal with. When you want him young, huh?

Speaker 4 Not only that, there's certain other areas you're going to have to, you're going to have to, listen, you're going to have to update your resume.

Speaker 4 Well, I'm going to have to go. I'm going to have to, let me tell you what I'm going to have to do.
I'm going to have to start going to church and get me somebody with a hat.

Speaker 4 Sitting in the deaconess corner.

Speaker 4 You got me bad. I ain't got no bread.
I can't. Hey.

Speaker 4 I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what.
I'll tell you what. Now,

Speaker 4 if you do me a solid and you do me a favor, young Miami, you know, that's my sister now. You know, she from Miami.
She from Day County.

Speaker 4 You know, okay, I'm just making sure, you know, that's why I'm bouncing for them. That's why I'm bouncing for sister.

Speaker 4 No, man, I look. I know, I know, I know.
I know you're trying to keep it professional.

Speaker 4 No, but I, but I like the fact. I like the fact that they come in and they open up and we have a conversation and we just be talking.

Speaker 4 I mean, look, I mean, I had a great conversation because, like I said, I had no...

Speaker 4 I didn't ever think I would even meet any of these people. So for me, I'm like, man, I can't believe you sitting across from me.
That's how I look at them. I don't like, okay, let me, let

Speaker 4 let me try to throw a question in here and try to get sleek with it.

Speaker 4 I ain't trying to do that.

Speaker 4 See, you got to do that. You got to say the things you're saying right now.
I'm saying the things I'm saying that you can say that you might be thinking.

Speaker 4 See, that's what me being your other half is supposed to do. I'm supposed to be able to see things that you can see and then relate what I see.

Speaker 4 That you should do, but you don't want to do it because

Speaker 4 you're keeping a certain level of professionalism, not even knowing the blessing that's in your face at all times now let me tell you what i'm gonna do now you talk about you understand the re the the prerequisites when it comes to dealing with her now

Speaker 4 if you want to lead up with one of them croc birkins i've seen your 5200

Speaker 4 to speed up the process no send me that because that's what you owe me not because that's gonna be a dial payment on the damn bag send me that because that's what the hell you owe me y'all hear this man this man talk about oh if you gonna get a croc working, I'll send you 5,200 on it.

Speaker 4 How you gonna send me money? How you gonna talk about you gonna send me something on it? When you owe me that, hey, hey, hold on. Let me give you a prime example before we move on to the next topic.

Speaker 4 Before we move on to the next topic, understand the professionalism in which you carry yourself, the structure, and discipline, and everything that you do. That's what I love about you.

Speaker 4 That's why we work so well because I'm the complete opposite.

Speaker 4 So, yeah, I'm gonna give you a small example. Okay, there was a movie that came out not too long ago

Speaker 4 when,

Speaker 4 ah, what's the lady's name?

Speaker 4 Jennifer Anderson was dating Brad Pitt. They were a couple.
They were together. And all of a sudden, Brad Pitt went to the moment.
Mr. Mrs.
Smith. Yeah.
Brad Pitt went off to do a movie with Angelina.

Speaker 4 With Angelina Jolie. Mr.
Mrs. Smith.
Okay. Okay.
You see where I'm going with this? So listen, it don't matter what you got going on in life. Sometimes God puts you in situations.

Speaker 4 In this case, happened to be Club Shake Shea with a sit-down with

Speaker 4 brother shannon sharp

Speaker 4 and carisha and a situation to me

Speaker 4 it was to me from the outside looking in regardless of the professionalism that you're trying to instill and carry because you have to i saw a situation like that

Speaker 4 brad pitt angel and jolie the chemistry it was just undeniable and that's what i could see from afar where i was at now you do it that again now you do it that what you will and what you may i'm just just speaking my piece.

Speaker 4 And if I didn't tell you as your other half,

Speaker 4 I wouldn't be your friend. But that's okay.

Speaker 4 We can go on to the next topic.

Speaker 4 Speaking of Pittsburgh, Najee Harris says there is a lack of leadership with the Steelers. We just didn't know anything on offense, really.
We didn't have any identity. We had a young guy

Speaker 4 coming in at QB. I really didn't have nobody to almost learn from on the offensive side.

Speaker 4 You like that he's saying that, Ocho?

Speaker 4 i mean

Speaker 4 at the runner at the at the running back position and saying that you don't have anybody to learn you know at that

Speaker 4 specific position i i i don't really like that i i i i personally don't because there's so many resources once you're in that atmosphere that you can learn from where it doesn't have to actually be a person right there outside of your head coach teaching you because there's so much you can learn on your own.

Speaker 4 They have film, they have vults, they have man, googards of footage and stuff you can learn. Right.
You know? Yeah.

Speaker 4 And to say something like, and to say something like that with the tutelage that you're getting at the organization you're at, how could you even say something like that?

Speaker 4 Look at all the backs that have come through there. Yeah, but they weren't there.
The veteran leadership wasn't there when he got there. That's the thing that I'm very appreciative of.

Speaker 4 I had a guy, even though he was a year older than me, Steve Atwater, that how to be professional.

Speaker 4 I had Dennis Smith, who had been there since 1981 who said this is how you do things this is how you be professional you be punctual you be on time you practice hard i saw john i saw all those guys the veteran guys and how they do things yeah okay me now ocho i got the younger guys coming in right that's my job for burns foots rod smith right other guys td chalk i house now i go to baltimore now the other younger guys some of the younger guys the rays and think todd he

Speaker 4 That's what you do.

Speaker 4 I think that's what he's talking about.

Speaker 4 I think,

Speaker 4 I don't want to put words in his mouth, guys, but I think that's what he's talking about. Like, how to be professional, how to make sure I practice doing everything that I possibly can to make sure

Speaker 4 that I'm maximizing my time here. And I'm very, I'm very grateful that I got to Denver.
I had guys, look, there are guys that wanted to party. I know that's not why I was there.

Speaker 4 Maybe, Ocho, had I been a first or second round pick, maybe I would have partaken. Probably not because that's never been my impact.
But knowing that I'm on thin ice

Speaker 4 and I see Atwater and I see Dennis Smith and I see those other guys, John, and I see the way they're doing things, I say, you know what? Yeah,

Speaker 4 I need to be in that group.

Speaker 4 Listen,

Speaker 4 I understand it, and I truly don't understand where he's coming from in a sense. Because obviously, you understand what it took you to get here, right? It's NFL.

Speaker 4 Naje, you've been been dreaming about this since you was a little shorty, since you're a little kid. This was a dream of mine.

Speaker 4 You have finally reached that pinnacle of reaching what you've always dreamed of. Then you, not only that, you're part of a historic franchise, the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 4 I'm not getting somewhere and worried about veteran leadership when I understand the work it took me to get here. I'm already aligned with the end goal.

Speaker 4 All my goals reset themselves once I make it. I'm not worried about no veteran leadership

Speaker 4 i know what i need to do based on the goals that i set for myself personally

Speaker 4 it don't matter who's in the room it don't matter who was there before me

Speaker 4 yeah there's i need to get done

Speaker 4 and i got to focus and everything i do has to align with my end goal regardless of whether i have a veteran presence or not at my specific position I want to be one of the best to play this game ever.

Speaker 4 You talk about no veteran leadership. Look at the players that came before you that played the exact position.
The Jerome Bettises, the Willie Parkers. I mean, I'm sure you're going to James Collins.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but I need them there to Ocho. Yeah, I think that's the thing.

Speaker 4 You talk about a pro.

Speaker 4 A pro. A pro is the occupation in which you do it.
Right. That's a professional.
A pro is how you go about that. You see it out there.
You see the difference between college and pros. What do they do?

Speaker 4 They get your ass up. They make sure you go to study hall.
They make sure you do X, Y, and Z. They make sure you're in the weight room.
Who does that when you go to the NFL? You. And

Speaker 4 it helps. It helps when you see somebody that's a pro.
Yeah. Because once you get there, we're all professionals.
But to be a pro,

Speaker 4 it's something to be said for me, not just me. Now, hey, each is on, but there's something to be said for me to have veteran.

Speaker 4 I remember Mark Jackson would take me up on his wing and say, hey, you know,

Speaker 4 I see you ran that route, but I'm not so sure how to run it like that because blah, blah, blah. X, Y, Z.
I said, okay, I appreciate that, man. He pulled me to the side.

Speaker 4 Hey, hey, threaten that guy a little bit more. Hey,

Speaker 4 you got your head around a little too far. So it's little stuff like that, Ocho.
I got it. I mean, stuff that you can't see.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Because you used to get, hey, OJo, we used to use a God-given ability getting open. Yeah.
It takes more than that in the NFL. Yeah.
Because all them jokers got God given. Hey, God touched all of them.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I got you.

Speaker 4 I understand it. And I wish I could have told it, Najee, to get

Speaker 4 better context and get a little bit more in depth on what he means by it. And maybe I'm thinking a little different because of my approach.
I wouldn't worry about no better

Speaker 4 leadership. I understood, okay, I finally got here.
I know what my goals are.

Speaker 4 I want to make sure everything I do is going to align with that goal to make sure I become at some point one of the best ever played, not just for the Bengals, but to play in the history of this game in general.

Speaker 4 I'm going to leave my imprint, whether people like me or not. Then I think about also: hell,

Speaker 4 for the people in the chat,

Speaker 4 no veteran leadership. Where did I stay the first two years in the NFL? Where I lived at?

Speaker 4 Yeah, and

Speaker 4 I'm locked in. I don't care who's there.
I know what I got to do. I know what it takes to make sure I'm able to be consistent.
This has a rookie.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 You know what? I might not have better impresses, but I'm going to do the things I think I need to do to make sure I give them the best of me.

Speaker 4 Giving you the best of me.

Speaker 4 You know, a part of me, I think, I think Najee doesn't feel like like the Steelers really appreciated him. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Because a guy that's just barely rushing for a thousand yards is not going to get the appreciation like a Saquon,

Speaker 4 like a Derrick Henry, like these guys rushing for 1,400, 1,500 yards. He's never had less than 1,000 yards rushing, OJo.

Speaker 4 But he's not spectacular. You don't look at him like, oh, my God.

Speaker 4 You don't think that when he gets the ball, see, at least like Saquon gets the ball, you think, man, he might hit his head on the goalpost.

Speaker 4 Or Derrick Henry is going to end the game with 150, maybe 200 yards. That's not what you get from him.

Speaker 4 I thought he's a good back.

Speaker 4 I don't think he changes live. Nah.
He's not a guy that's going to change your life. For me, now, in college, he was sensational.
Yeah. Either he or he'll be, I like he'll bell cow.

Speaker 4 Three down back. I like him.

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Speaker 4 Oh, Joe, Jamar was not. Jamar Chase signed this deal.
Tee Higgins signed this deal. They had their press conference.

Speaker 4 Jamar was not happy with the reporter calling T receiver number two. Let's take a listen to what he had to say.

Speaker 54 Were it a lead, it would have probably been wide receiver one, but you see it put out there that you're the highest paid wide receiver two.

Speaker 4 How does that one eight?

Speaker 36 You're saying what's put out there fixing it.

Speaker 51 One A, yes, sir.

Speaker 4 You know, bro, I don't even look at it like that. You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 I kind of wish they wouldn't have put it out there like that. So, because now it's, that's why everybody say I'm the highest paid two.
No, let's just say

Speaker 4 I'm at a place where, you know, they value me and, you know, they respect me. And

Speaker 4 I just, I'm a good player here. So let's just say that.
That's not the highest receiver two or anything like that. You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 So let's just say he's another great receiver, Bengals receiver that, you know, that puts in the work and

Speaker 4 got his head down and just grinds. So,

Speaker 4 I mean, report. Oh, Joe.

Speaker 4 I've been saying it for a very long time, huh?

Speaker 4 I've been saying it for a very, very, very long time. Every time I talk about the Bengals duo, I say it all the time, and I've been saying it for a very long time.

Speaker 4 You and I even went back and forth about it, you know, continuously on here.

Speaker 4 I said he's a wide receiver one that just happened to be on the team with another number one. There are a few instances,

Speaker 4 a few other teams that also

Speaker 4 benefit from this situation. I'm not sure what the reporter is doing.

Speaker 4 And the reporter who understands the game of football and has been able to watch T and Chase together should know that and know better, that he's a one. If he was a leave there.

Speaker 4 He would have been paid as a number one because that's exactly what he is. It just so happens he have Tamar Chase on the other side of him.
But anyway.

Speaker 4 anyway well we look at we look at we let me ask you a question yeah with pastor tain lined up who pastor tain going to he going to chase or he going to t higgins uh if he's following he's going to chase

Speaker 4 okay salt gardner stingley

Speaker 4 if he's following he's going he's going to chase

Speaker 4 so why would they

Speaker 4 i understand what you're saying right because that's that's that's the thing now oh joe right hell it didn't used to be no qb one right it was the starting quarterback right it was no qb it was no wide receiver wide receiver one right it was it was wide receiver it was michael irvin sternly sharp right uh uh uh uh jared write uh-huh uh uh randy blah blah blah kio okay now they got they got all these things wide receiver one

Speaker 4 hold on now hold on ain't ain't no all now there are only a few teams like that uh the eagles that's wide receiver one a and one b the bengals that's wide receiver one a and one b what they did over there with cougar cop and puka nico that was wide receiver one a and one b now what they will do is they will take some of your production and your opportunities away from you and make it look like it's something wrong with you and make you look like wide receiver two when there's really nothing wrong with you if you understand the business and how they work your ass up out of there.

Speaker 4 But I mean, this is why I look at it, Locho. Talk to me.

Speaker 4 Why didn't they give, if, if Jalen Waddell was the equivalent of Tyreek, why didn't they give him the same type of money that they gave Tyreek?

Speaker 4 If Devontae Smith was the same, was the equivalent receiver. So why did they give T.
Higgins 40 million? Wait,

Speaker 4 you know, you can't, you can't work like that. Nah, come on, don't.

Speaker 4 He wide receiver one. Wide receiver one, get wide receiver one money.

Speaker 4 All right. Yeah.
Listen,

Speaker 4 we can argue that

Speaker 4 we can argue to it. But listen, normally, normally, when we talk about wide receiver one and we talk about wide receiver two, there is an enormous drop off in skill and talent.
Enormous.

Speaker 4 Now you got two receivers that get it done totally, two, totally different ways. You got two reasons.

Speaker 4 Are you saying there's no drop? Hold on. I want to make sure I'm not going to be able to do that.
Yeah, there's a a drop-off. I said enormous.

Speaker 4 Extravagant,

Speaker 4 extravagant drop-off from your one and your two. There's a reason the person is a one, and there's a reason the other person is a two.
Now, you got two receivers.

Speaker 4 Let me finish. You got two receivers that are really, really good at what they do.
High points,

Speaker 4 short, intermediate, long balls. Now, both of them do all of them really well.
I think one of the few things that Chase might have on

Speaker 4 is that goddamn run after the catch. My God.

Speaker 4 That's also because Chase,

Speaker 4 his background in playing running back when he was younger. That's why he looked like that.
Every time he gets the ball,

Speaker 4 he looks a damn running back. He bouncing off people, playing ping pong.
I mean, listen, you touch me, I'm going down.

Speaker 4 You touch me, I'm going down. I'm making a business decision.
So, I mean,

Speaker 4 I'm glad he got paid.

Speaker 4 I think he earned the right. I mean, the way he played, he had been exemplary the whole while there.

Speaker 4 They made him play under the tag. He played under the tag.
He caught nate, but he still had double-digit touchdown. He was going to be well over 1,000 yards.
And so they compensated him.

Speaker 4 I love when teams reward their players for work put in. Now, Ocho, I've already paid you for what you've done.

Speaker 4 Now, for me to give you this money,

Speaker 4 they're not paying Chase for

Speaker 4 the triple crown because they paid him that. They're they're paying him for moving forward yeah we believe you're gonna put up numbers equivalent to that if not better

Speaker 4 I can't pay I can't how do I I paid you it wasn't like he didn't get a salary Ocho and now we got to make up for what we didn't give him he got paid right with that being said I believe Chase

Speaker 4 they believe Chase is gonna put up numbers equivalent to, if not better, than what he put up last year. So I'm going to pay you accordingly.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 that was a good one. And he's earned it.
Yeah. Absolutely.
Gee, he's earned it. I'm glad he didn't have to go.

Speaker 4 I'm glad he didn't have to go to get some because so many times we see guys put, oh, put the work in, put the work in, and then they got to go somewhere else to get rewarded, get to get the appreciation that I should have got from the club that drafted me.

Speaker 4 You thought enough for drafted me. You know, that's why I tell people a lot of times when I love about Dan Reeves, he was smart enough to draft me, but somehow forgot to cut me.

Speaker 4 The Bengal, oh, you, you really loved T. You did your homework.
You took him in the second round.

Speaker 4 But now he gives you all those great years and

Speaker 4 you want to let him, you're going to let him move on? Right. And you're going to let his, because he ain't in his prime yet.

Speaker 4 So now the next four years is really going to be, you know, his prime. And you're going to let somebody else reap that benefit because you cheap.
Yeah. So I was glad they found it.

Speaker 4 And you know what the funny thing I think a lot of people haven't talked about, they really don't know is the person that's pulling the strings behind closed doors, the person with the power, the person who runs the show and is making the calls is really mad.

Speaker 4 Yeah, for sure. You know, a lot of people ain't talking about that.

Speaker 4 We talk about T going here, no matter what I said, no matter what people on ESPN, no matter what people have said on X or Twitter for that matter, the person behind the

Speaker 4 closed doors who went up to management and probably said, listen, I don't know what you need to do, what you need to do with the numbers on my contract, or what you need to restructure.

Speaker 4 but uno and five

Speaker 4 i need that back

Speaker 4 come hella high water if you understand joe bro and how he conducts his business and the way he goes about it maybe that man young young bull ain't playing not by them two you know what i love ocho the fact that he was outspoken about it a lot of quarterbacks like yeah we'd love to have him back but that's not my call right oh he said i want to go back oh it's definitely like they've earned they he's like they've earned they've earned the right he said and he said the same thing about tray hendrickson It seems like they're a little bit more open to trading Trey than potentially bringing him back, but that's something we'll discuss at a later date in time.

Speaker 4 But he came on first take, and he was very, hey, I want them to pay Chase. Chase has earned that.
I want them to pay T. He's a valuable piece to what we do.

Speaker 4 And I want him back. None of that.
Hey, yeah, we'd love to have him back, but you know, I don't make that decision. I'm just a quarterback.
No.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 4 And so

Speaker 4 I love that

Speaker 4 part about him. Oh, Joe, a key factor in the Jamar Chase-T.
Higgins negotiation with Joe Burrow's influence.

Speaker 4 Beyond the public comments, Burrow applied private pressure, making it clear deals must get done for both. If since it failed, it could have gotten very, very interesting.
Yeah, listen.

Speaker 4 Listen, I'm glad that we just brought that up. And I just said it ahead of time.
Obviously, I wouldn't have said it when.

Speaker 4 when all this stuff was going on but if if you understand i've i've watched joe now for a few years i've seen him up in person uh i've heard the stories about the way he conducts himself and goes on goes on about his business and his approach to the game and how serious he takes it in order to get cont in order to continue playing at an elite level you have to have elite talent around you and you understand that especially offensively in order to keep that going and continue to to give us a chance offensively to get where we want to go we already know what the end goal is every time you compete and you play on a sunday in order to get there especially san francisco

Speaker 4 I need my two. I need my Uno, I need my five.

Speaker 4 Now, I don't know what we need to do.

Speaker 4 I don't know what we need to do upstairs, but we need to make it happen.

Speaker 4 Yeah. That's it.

Speaker 4 I think sometimes that quarterbacks will be like, I got my money to hell with the rest of this stuff. I ain't got nothing to do with me.
And

Speaker 4 that's a cop out of Joe. Yeah.
It's a cop out to say, well, I don't get to make that decision. Yeah.
I've heard it. I've heard that before.
And you hear that a lot.

Speaker 4 I mean, you know, Joe making 55 million.

Speaker 4 He's like, hey, y'all feel for yourself but he knows a part of him getting that 55 million was was was one in five there it is you said it right there now you can you come in there playing around and bring somebody else in they can't do it one in five dollars he'd understand you understand you're gonna be upset i mean he's been mad i mean he's pretty much been throwing a a chase for what five years had him in college a year

Speaker 4 missed him yeah and then picked it right back up

Speaker 4 yeah so with that being said i'm glad these guys got it done congratulations guys well deserved.

Speaker 4 The Lions have proposed significant change to the NFL playoff seating that would largely use regular season record as a guy as the guiding principle rather than division championships.

Speaker 4 Under the proposal, the division winner with the conference best record

Speaker 4 will still receive the number one overall seed. But after that, teams would be stacked by their records regardless whether they won the division or received wild card births.

Speaker 4 That approach could significantly impact the NFC North, which fielded three playoff teams last season, the Lions 15 and 2, Vikings 14 and 3, Green Bay 11 and 6.

Speaker 4 The Lions received the number one seed, but the Vikings were seeded number five and the Packers number seven. Based purely on the record, the Vikings would have been the number three seed.

Speaker 4 The Packers would have been the number five seed. Ocho,

Speaker 4 do you understand this is an anomaly season?

Speaker 4 It doesn't happen like this. We've never seen a team, two teams in the same division, have this kind of record.
Yeah. And what are the chances of it happening again, huh? What do you think?

Speaker 4 It's not likely. Right.
It's not like maybe another decade, 20 years, 30 years. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Listen,

Speaker 4 one thing about it, but it was great to see. It was entertaining.
It was a very entertaining

Speaker 4 NFC. But the chance of it actually happening again, where you need to have this format even be put in place, it's not likely

Speaker 4 unless you're playing a video game.

Speaker 4 I hate the fact that we take an anomaly

Speaker 4 and then try to make wholesale changes. Right.
Because you're trying to make a wholesale change. So what's the importance

Speaker 4 of

Speaker 4 winning your division?

Speaker 4 If there's no value with your so if that I can't help it that you're in that division. Right.
So if I win my division, Now you're going to punish me

Speaker 4 because I won my division with 10 wins and you happen to have 13 wins in another division that somebody won 15 games.

Speaker 4 So why even have divisions? Let's just say, okay, y'all the NLC, y'all the ALC, just play and then whoever has the best record, we'll stack it.

Speaker 4 You don't even need a division because now you're telling me division is not important. So we're going to base it on record.
The best overall record, you get the buy. The next best record, you the 2C.

Speaker 4 Next best record, we don't need division.

Speaker 4 Stop trying to take isolated incident and make wholesale change.

Speaker 4 Bro,

Speaker 4 now you make it seem like, well, if we weren't the five seed, we would, bro,

Speaker 4 you bad, you played bad.

Speaker 4 It's okay.

Speaker 4 That's just me, Ocho. Farmer Bucks offensive coordinator Byron Lefwich is joining Colorado's coaching staff.
Coach Prime introduced Lefwich to the team Wednesday.

Speaker 4 The retired quarterback brings yet more pro experience to the Boulder, Colorado.

Speaker 4 The Buffs hired Hall of Fame running back Marshall Falk in February to coach the running backs.

Speaker 4 Hall of Fame defensive tackle is a senior quality control analyst for the defensive side of the football as well. He worked with the D-line.

Speaker 4 I don't know what happened. I really don't know what happened

Speaker 4 in Tampa because he went from a guy that had an opportunity to get a head coaching job

Speaker 4 to being out of the league. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Well, out of the league.

Speaker 4 And listen, I'm not going to go there.

Speaker 4 Byron Lefwich

Speaker 4 was a good quarterback during this time. What he was able to do in Tampa with Brady

Speaker 4 was phenomenal. Obviously, being able to coach one of the greatest of all time, if not the greatest.

Speaker 4 And he called plays. I thought they were one of the guys that called plays.
Yeah, he was.

Speaker 4 But if you notice,

Speaker 4 every other quarter, every other, every other offensive coordinator that has ever coached Tom Brady, what has he got in the NFL, OJo?

Speaker 4 A head coaching job.

Speaker 4 Charlie Weiss, Bill O'Brien,

Speaker 4 Josh McDaniel.

Speaker 4 Three play callers got job.

Speaker 4 One guy, Bill O'Brien, never won a Super Bowl with him. He lost.

Speaker 4 He lost.

Speaker 4 This guy won a Super Bowl calling plays.

Speaker 4 But you know how they would look at it? They would look at it like, well,

Speaker 4 regardless of who he was calling him play for, you was out there. You're calling him play for Tom Brady.
So regardless,

Speaker 4 was he not the quarterback for Charlie Rice? Was he not the quarterback for Bill O'Brien? Was he not the quarterback for Josh McDaniel?

Speaker 4 It got so bad. Josh McDaniel got three, got another job.
Hold on. He got the job.
Hold on. Ocho.
He got the job at Denver. We know what he did.
We don't need to bring that up.

Speaker 4 Got the job at Indy and said, you know what, via facts. He said, nah, I ain't going to take the job.
I'm going to stay here. And then Wynn got another job.
Right.

Speaker 4 But there's a difference. You understand what? You know what?

Speaker 4 I'm not making a show about this.

Speaker 4 I mean, the writing is on the wall. The proof is in the pudding.
You can see it for yourself. This ain't the first time this has happened.
It's happening continuously over and over and over.

Speaker 4 I don't need to say it. Open your ass.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 I'm happy for him. I'm happy for him getting the position there.
Marshall Falk is there. Obviously, Warren Sapp is there.
The environment that

Speaker 4 Prime is constructing for the players and the young men that are there are obviously preparing them to be able to play at the level, at the next level, if they get a chance or opportunity to make it and

Speaker 4 have them, obviously, the tutelage from players that played at the highest level.

Speaker 4 Some were

Speaker 4 immensely great, like Prime and Warren Sapp.

Speaker 4 And you have some that had good careers, you know, and you're Byron Leverages, and he can help the quarterbacks being that not only did he play the position, but he also coached some at the best position and also won a ring, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 4 Who? Byron? Yeah.

Speaker 4 But they lost that year with the Bucs.

Speaker 4 No, well, he coached, what you call him, he coached Brady. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 They beat

Speaker 4 the Chiefs in Super Bowl. Yeah, you got a ring.
Okay, yeah, I'm right. I'm right.
Yeah, you call the place. I stand corrected.
Okay.

Speaker 4 No, no, no.

Speaker 4 Look, guys want to get, they want to get pro ready.

Speaker 4 Quarterback coach.

Speaker 4 Pat Shermer is the OC.

Speaker 4 Marshall, running back. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Hall of Fame, Sap, Hall of Fame, D-line. He can get to the quarterback.

Speaker 4 He's put together a great staff, guys. That if you have the ability,

Speaker 4 now, just because you go to Colorado, if you ain't got the ability to play in the NFL, I don't give a damn. I don't give a damn who coaches.
Right.

Speaker 4 Either you can do it or you can't.

Speaker 4 Now, they might help you with some technique and some little stuff, but you got to have the ability to go get it done. Yes, sir.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Whose house? Prime's house. House.
Prime shows off his backyard. Ocho, Ocho, check this out.
Let me see it. Let me see.
Let me see it.

Speaker 4 What? Oh, that's the one in Texas, huh? Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 I'd be doing too much.

Speaker 4 If it wasn't the lady that was, I would call him. I'm going to call him tomorrow.
Yeah. You do it too much.
That's nice.

Speaker 4 Oh, that's nice.

Speaker 4 And I'm going to tell him I'm going to go fish it in one of the pond and before you realize I'm going to have the face fried up on the thing on the bank.

Speaker 4 Because Because he make you throw the fish back on your, I'm gonna fry them up. He do? He make you put them back? Yeah.
Yeah, he make you put them back. He'll let you keep them.

Speaker 4 That's a good one. That's funny.

Speaker 4 And at some point, the fish got to understand what's going on and stopped biting on the goddamn line.

Speaker 4 Unfortunately, they're not going to be able to do that.

Speaker 4 Especially if you catch them while they're bedding. Oh, yeah.
Because, hey, they bedding. Hey, that's free food, or they try to, sometimes they try to take the, and get that out of their bed.
Yeah.

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Speaker 4 Hey,

Speaker 4 I like him up, putting them down, don't you? Hey, you putting them up, putting them down, huh? One foot in front of the other. I don't care nothing about that.

Speaker 4 And for a quarterback, I don't care nothing.

Speaker 4 I saw the greatest quarterback currently run five, two, right, five. Uh-huh.

Speaker 4 Yeah, five, two, five. It don't mean nothing.
But also being able to run 4-3-7, it means something, especially in today's game.

Speaker 4 With all the dual threat quarterbacks that we do have that are elite, a la Josh Allen, a la Lamar Jackson, players.

Speaker 4 Tell me the fastest quarterback that ever won a Super Bowl and the fastest quarterback in the Hall of Fame. I'll wait.
Go ahead. No, no, I mean, you're right about that.

Speaker 4 You're right about that, but I'm just telling you, I'm giving you a different perspective.

Speaker 4 I'm giving you a different perspective on how it's helped immensely being able to do two things and just not be one-dimensional. It's okay to be able to have a quarterback that can use his legs.

Speaker 4 Look at the growth. Look at the growth of Lamar Jackson.
Look where he is now. Look how far he's come.
It ain't even about running no more. I'm running only

Speaker 4 if I have to.

Speaker 4 Because I become now,

Speaker 4 I'm a passer of the ball.

Speaker 4 You know, so

Speaker 4 brother Milro, being able to run that fast is all is great, it's a good thing, but have you seen what he could do with his arm,

Speaker 4 man? Not nearly consistent enough. I knew you, I knew, yeah,

Speaker 4 listen.

Speaker 4 At some point, at some point, you will be. Now, you're gonna be able to.
I just want you to tell me who the fastest guy to ever win the Super Bowl and the fastest guy in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 That's all I'm waiting for. There's a lot of fast ones in the Hall of Fame.
You fast. Who? You in there?

Speaker 4 No, at quarterback. Quarterback?

Speaker 4 Let me think. Hold on.

Speaker 4 Johnny United is in the Hall of Fame, ain't he? He is. Yeah, Johnny ran 4-4

Speaker 4 in the 20.

Speaker 4 That's my consistency. I mean, that's great.

Speaker 4 Hey. Oh, shoot.
Hey, that was fun. At the end of the day, OJo, hey,

Speaker 4 gotta throw it.

Speaker 4 All right, Ocho, it's time for our last segment.

Speaker 4 Whoa, whoa, whoa, we getting off already?

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 Sheldon Pope. Oh, no, time for QA.
Give us, come on, give us our graphics.

Speaker 4 We just got on.

Speaker 4 I done took a five-hour nap. I'm here.
I got energy and you leaving.

Speaker 4 Sheldon Pope said, oh, you enjoyed playing Risha Roulette. I did.

Speaker 4 I did. Say, say, say, say, say, say, I did.

Speaker 4 It's a good game. It's a good game.
I can see how that game can get your ass in trouble. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Especially you play

Speaker 4 a group of y'all around, you know, hey, Ocho, y'all on your, you go, you and your buddies, and y'all and women in some bag in Vegas, or y'all in Cancun or Jamaica. Uh-huh.

Speaker 4 yeah,

Speaker 4 some freaky ish about to happen.

Speaker 4 Dark Barnes said, uh, got a question for Ocho. In his opinion, who was better being a receiver duo, Jamar and T or him and TJ? Oh, that's a good one.
That's a good one.

Speaker 4 And obviously, we didn't throw the ball.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's a good one. We didn't throw the ball up.
Yeah, I did throw the ball. Not like that.
Man, stop playing. Now, you know, we ain't throw the ball like that now.

Speaker 4 See, you see what the boy is doing.

Speaker 4 They run 100 plays and 98 of them throwing.

Speaker 4 You know? But listen,

Speaker 4 I love myself and TJ, man. I love us to death.
And as much as I love. I love to.
Yeah, as much as I love Jamar and T and praise him

Speaker 4 like I'm a preacher, I will always take me and TJ over there, no matter what. And that's what all due respect to what them boys are doing and are going to continue to do with that franchise.

Speaker 4 But it'll always be me and TJ, boy.

Speaker 4 Ain't nothing like that. Ain't nothing like it.
And people wouldn't understand it, especially the younger generation, unless you were there.

Speaker 4 You had to be there and would have had to see it live and in person to understand.

Speaker 4 Dr. Frank L.
Bellamy said,

Speaker 4 Speak of church, the way you were citing Job on first take was awesome. You sure you don't want to be a preacher? The pulpit would be rocking.
Ocho,

Speaker 4 Ocho could be your deacon. Yeah, yeah.
Hey, hey, hey, I had to put me in the pulpit now.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 yeah. I, uh,

Speaker 4 I, when I was a little boy, uh

Speaker 4 the pastor of the church told my grandmother, Say, uh, Mary, that boy has a way with words.

Speaker 4 Um,

Speaker 4 he said, A lot of people can talk, Mary. He said, But very few people can speak.
That boy can speak.

Speaker 4 And uh, I, you know, I'm saying, hold y'all, I'm a kid, I probably was like

Speaker 4 10, 11,

Speaker 4 but uh,

Speaker 4 uh

Speaker 4 to like like there's nothing like hearing a great speaker to hear uh to go back and listen to dr dr king yes hear him speak to hear churchill to hear him speak to hear jfk and to hear him speak

Speaker 4 and to kashi coates to hear him speak there's some there's some people that have a voice and because there's in order to be a uh

Speaker 4 a great orator, you must have a cadence. Yeah.
There's a sequence that your voice can elevate and rise. I mean, rise and then fall.

Speaker 4 If you hear Dr. King,

Speaker 4 just listen for the cadence in which he speaks.

Speaker 4 That's everything.

Speaker 4 You know who else you can hear it in? Recently?

Speaker 4 And that cadence? Obama.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 If you listen to Obama, you can hear that cadence as well with him when he goes high and goes low. And he's able to,

Speaker 4 the ability to command the ear.

Speaker 4 he got it it's a gift yeah it's a gift

Speaker 4 malcolm x

Speaker 4 yeah

Speaker 4 a no run 75 no jive i'm alive

Speaker 4 Jay 213, hey, Unconocho, who is one person, dead or alive, you want to sit down and have a conversation with,

Speaker 4 excluding family? Oh, Frank Sinatra. Sinatra.

Speaker 4 Frank Sinatra. I mean, if you know me and my love

Speaker 4 for the music, the arts and dance and theater and all the things that I like, Sinatra.

Speaker 4 For what he stood for, you know, in a time when you really shouldn't be standing for it,

Speaker 4 if you know what I mean? You know? Yeah. And man, the opportunities that he gave people of color during his time, man, Sinatra,

Speaker 4 I would love, and still to this day, I I have an appreciation for him, his music, and everything he's done, not only as an artist, but away from

Speaker 4 music as well. Some of the things he fought for and the opportunities he gave others.
Refusing to play in certain places unless you know who was also afforded the same opportunities in those rooms.

Speaker 4 Oh, man, Sinatra. Now, there's so many other great ones.
I'm just telling you about mine, you know, and then,

Speaker 4 I mean, for me, probably Dr. King, Malcolm x yeah uh i've always been drawn to people that could

Speaker 4 that could speak

Speaker 4 great orators uh

Speaker 4 and prince

Speaker 4 prince prince yeah

Speaker 4 it's reason

Speaker 4 who cares one two

Speaker 4 If Joe gonna get hurt, cuz the bingos had to get PE teachers in Jim Roll for the old line and the cheats.

Speaker 4 Winnie, who we got for our O-line again?

Speaker 4 PE teachers and Jim Rose.

Speaker 4 Okay, don't you know? Do the Broncos have the most stacked roster in the AFC West now at the free agency? Who do you think Denver is going to want at pick 20?

Speaker 4 Well, you got your quarterback. Yep.

Speaker 4 They're going to receive her.

Speaker 4 You think so? Absolutely.

Speaker 4 absolutely okay i can

Speaker 4 absolutely

Speaker 4 they gonna they gonna get them playmake off that board man i can tell you i can tell you that because i like sudden yeah i like sudden too i like i like sudden but they they need they needed maybe get one of them tight ends

Speaker 4 yeah got it

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 Omarion Hampton running back, North Carolina, is what Mark Drafts Drafts say, because they let Javante Davis go.

Speaker 4 Williams, Javante Williams. Williams, yeah.

Speaker 4 Another

Speaker 4 Carolina kid.

Speaker 4 Brody Burton, Uncle saying this to Ocho. No licking, no sucking toes, no farting around me.
Blake of the five.

Speaker 4 Jarediah Williams, say, Uncle and Ocho, my birthday was yesterday. I'm 45, but I don't look a day over 38.

Speaker 4 Jarediah, thank you. Happy birthday.
Happy birthday. Happy birthday, boy.
Happy birthday. But we're in the same boat, too.

Speaker 4 I don't look a day. I don't look a day over 25.
People tell me that all the time in person, boy, you look so young, boy. What's your skincare routine? So I told them I ain't really got none.

Speaker 4 I just eat right.

Speaker 4 I don't know what this is. Save for tomorrow.
Fran Brown makes his players say 40% of.

Speaker 4 Okay. I was going to say, what is this?

Speaker 4 Oh, okay. Okay.

Speaker 4 Oh, you're so I didn't even see that. You say save for tomorrow.

Speaker 4 Guys, that concludes this today.

Speaker 4 Oh, Joe, it's been a long day for you, boy. Yeah.
Because

Speaker 4 I was in Savannah.

Speaker 4 We just got back. Watched the game.
I'm up on the plane again tomorrow morning. Car picking me up at 5.30.
Where you for?

Speaker 4 I'm headed to Charleston.

Speaker 4 Okay, okay. What you doing?

Speaker 4 You got liquor signing? Yeah. Now

Speaker 4 I'll get back tomorrow night and I'll be better because I ain't got anything to do Saturday. I mean, Friday.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 So your boy be ready to go, but I got to get, hey, I got to get at least three hours of sleep. Yeah.
Listen, you, now, don't be surprised if I pop up on you one of them signings, man, in a local.

Speaker 4 I was in Miami. You ain't pop up on nothing.
Well, I wasn't here. I wasn't here then.
I'm just saying, I'm just saying, you know, on your little tour, if I pop up.

Speaker 4 You know, in a whole La Poitier outfit, like a costume.

Speaker 4 Hey, I'm coming to Charleston. Hopefully they got some good breakfast.
Hey, somebody leave me something in the chat. Tell me

Speaker 4 in Charleston where they got a good breakfast. Because I want some good old Southern-style grits.
I want some bacon. I want bacon crispy, scrambled eggs.
You know, hey, just like that. I mean,

Speaker 4 I mean, I like pancakes, but I ain't got to have them. Right.
Grits, eggs, sausage or bacon. Let your boy know where I need to go.

Speaker 4 McDonald's.

Speaker 4 Ain't got no damn grits in nobody.

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