Nightcap - Hour 1: Stingley becomes highest paid DB, Keon Coleman joins the show, Aaron Rodgers still making a decision

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Once they're gone, they are gone. We have Keon Coleman joining us a little bit later.
But first, our thoughts and prayers here at NICAP go out to Tracy Morgan. He was sitting courtside, Ocho.
I don't know if you've seen the scene. We're not going to show it.
He was taken out in a wheelchair. But I just want to say our thoughts and prayers here at Nightcap go out to Tracy Morgan and his family.

Hopefully he's OK. I'm sure he was taken to a local hospital for a diagnosis and evaluation.
But hopefully everything turns out this is not the time to try to crack jokes or try to diagnose him because we're not professionals. And that's not what we do here.
So I just want to say our thoughts and prayers. I go out from Ocho and I and here at Nightcap that Tracy Morgan has a speedy recovery and everything is okay.
But we're not going to show that scene, but we just want Tracy to get well soon, one of the great comedians of our generation. Ocho, here's something we will talk extensively about.
The Texans made Derek Stingley Jr. Three years, $90 million.
This deal makes him the highest-paid DB. You was talking about this, Ocho.
They got to that $30 million threshold. $30 million as a high mark for defensive back.
Easily toppling the previous mark set by Carolina Panthers' J.C. Horn, who signed just a week ago for $25 million.
David Muguleta. Congrats, Dave.
Athletes first. The deal is on behalf of Dave Stingley.
Refs three of the highest-paid cornerbacks and two of the highest-paid safeties. The LSU team of 2019, Ocho, Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, and Derrick Stingley Jr.
have contracts totaling $600 million. It's a beautiful thing.
It's a beautiful thing. With an M, 600 mil.
Yeah. Hey, Derrick Stingley is worthy of that contract.
He's worthy and he deserves every single penny. I'm not sure to the extent that people understand how good Derrick Stingley is.
Listen, if I could right now, I would break it down in PowerPoint presentation so you get a better understanding on why he got the deal he did get. He's electric.
Technique sound. Man-to-man.
Off coverage. Rarely out of position.
Ball skills. Elite elite there's really no weakness in this game in the run game he'll come up there and smack you too oh yeah yeah listen when i talk about an all-around corner that does it all he is much so deserving of this contract listen at some point people in the chat if you if you listen if you watch him just watch derrick stingley highlights from college even at LSU and watch him even in NFL against some of the some of the upper echelon receivers and you'll understand why he got that money he's the real deal obviously he plays in Houston he doesn't talk much so he doesn't get the notoriety or the cameras always on him but man listen he might not talk but he play a big game but he a good game.
He ain't saying nothing. His play do all that talk.
His play loud as hell. Yeah.
Can you imagine if he had personality to go with it on? Imagine if he had a personality like Deion or something like that. See, Ocho, his thing is you want everybody to be like you and I that can talk and still go out there and play.
Some people, they talk and get themselves out of their game. You and I, we talk to get people out because that's what we grew up doing.
Yes, sir. I was always the smallest, so I tried to talk to somebody out their game.
So it was natural for me to go out there and bull jive and say whatever. Because whether I said a little or a lot, not a lot, I still had to play.
Yeah, no matter what. So if I didn't say anything, so

what, if I don't say anything, y'all gonna go easy

on me? Nah, F y'all.

Yeah. All y'all.

You too, punk.

But

he is good.

David Muguleta, I know Dave

very well. He represents, hey,

he gets the deal done.

Rocky Arsenault. I know Rock, I've been knowing Rock for a long time.
He did Chase and T. Higgins.
The first person I knew he had was Marshall Falk. So that's how I met him at the Pro Bowl when you're over there with Marshall.
He also did Zeke Elliott. He's a New Orleans native.
And so that's how I know Rock. But David Muguleta gets the deal done.
And he got it done. Athletes first, they do big things.
They got a lot of clients over there. And I love when the brothers are doing things and guys shaping up with those guys.
And so I appreciate David and what you've been able to do. Congratulations on this deal.
But Stingley, congratulations to you, bro, because you earned this. They have deserved.
You know, I believe people earn what they deserve. He earned this with his plate.
Yes. All the field has been exemplary.
And this is what I love the most, Ojo. When guys don't have to look, bro, I've done it.
You reward me because guess what? If I wasn't living up, you'd release me. So why I gotta come to you and ask you about my money? Right, right, right, right, right.
And I don't want to hear that. I don't want to hear, will you sign the contract? How many players do they cut with years left on their contract? That's sign the contract.
And y'all don't know if I know, oh, oh, he's like, no. Yeah.
So it needs to work both ways. I ain't got no problem.
I got no problem. If somebody underperforms and you want to move on, move on.
Yes, sir. But when they overperform, come on, man.
Reward them. Break bread.
Reward them. And matter of fact, listen, break bread.
Give me me. Yeah, listen, we talk about Patrick Sertain the second got his deal.
JC Horn got his deal. Derek Sinley got his deal.
Chad, y'all know who up next, right? Sauce. Sauce is up next.
And Sauce talked about, he tweeted, if I'm not mistaken, about how come we as DBs aren't paid as well, or compensated as well as the defense ends. You know, defense ends are seen in a different light as far as game changes, being able to impact the game much more different than that of a corner.
But when I, when you think about it, there are some corners in today's game that could impact a game too, by shutting down one side of the field. Patrick Sertain is in that group.
I think Derek Schilling is one of those where teams have to be cautious and going at him depending on who the receiver is or who they are playing. And I think Sauce can also be in that group as well.
I think a lot of people probably wouldn't agree. People will argue about Sauce.
Listen, Sauce is very good. He had a down year this year, but the first two years was really good.
It's hard, Ocho. It's hard.
If you're not technically sound, if you're not technically sound, they're going to try your ass. Hell yeah.
Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely.
But this is the thing. To me, you might not agree with me.
Some of the people in the chat might not agree with me. But as a receiver myself and a former DB, you know, I played both sides of the ball, I believe that the defensive back position is the hardest position to play in football.
It is. Simply for the fact that you were doing everything at full speed, which you're possible to do in reverse, going back with somebody, some of the elites, the Jamar Chases, the T.
Higgins, you know, the George Pickens, going at you full speed, the Tyreek Hills. I mean, come on now.
You know, so, I mean, that's, that's, listen, I'm, I'm always, I'm always a fan and enthusiastic when it comes to defensive backs in their play, especially when they get rewarded like this. No salute distinctly.
Sauce Garden, you up next, baby. You got to, you got to reset the market.
You're going to reset the market again gonna reset the market again let's go for 32 what you call him gonna be a Trent McDuffie I hate that McDuffie hadn't made a Pro Bowl or been an All-Pro because now you're talking about 13 million in his fifth year option as opposed to 22, 23 million in a fifth year option and so that's the thing that I really hate about it.

But it's kind of like basketball.

You're on the first,

one of the first three teams

of All-NBA,

you're defensive player of the year,

you're All-NBA selection.

That increases the value.

But man, so much is contingent

on things that are

outside of your control.

Like the media votes on,

you know, the All-Pro.

Fans and coaches and stuff vote because the players only have a third of the vote. Yeah.
So it's tough and I really want these guys to get what they've earned and I think Trent McDuffie is one of the better corners in the football league. Absolutely.
And I want his play to indicate that. Right.
But that's what happens, you know. Quarterbacks ain't got to do that.
Nah. The quarterback be getting that money, ain't been nowhere near first team or second team or 10-team all pro.
Yeah. And they get their money with no hesitation.
Yeah. And listen, they will always treat the quarterback position that way.
That's obviously the most valuable position on the field,

regardless who has and touches the ball most of the time.

It will always be that way, especially when you got the special ones.

How many years did Josh Allen still have on his contract?

I think he had four.

Man, listen, they don't play.

They do not play when it comes to them quarterbacks, especially the elite ones. Oh, you're going to get your money.
Yeah, and I like that. I ain't got no problem with that, Ocho.
You know, I ain't never been, I ain't going to never have no, uh, uh, he was a rookie season, second season once again, blah, blah, blah. Oh, Ocho, he was, he was our first team All-Pro last year.
Oh. McDuffie.
Yeah. So, hey, he going to get, oh, so he next, Ocho.
Yeah, he going to get his back. After this season, they going to come see you.
They got to come see me. They going to come see you.
Hey, listen, I want the knock on the door to be real loud, too. I want the knock on the door to be real loud.
Don't be shamedcho I want you to have me my check under the door I don't want nobody to know one thing about it they gonna know for sure that check coming from that entity they gonna know and gonna know. Yeah.
And look,

these guys are so good now,

Ocho, and the money.

I mean, you know what,

Ocho, it slipped my mind because I had a thousand

things going on.

I wanted to call time today.

Hey, time.

Man, you see what

Stingley got?

Time, well, how much

did they have to pay you?

Ooh.

Time, I already know

what they're gonna say.

Man, they had to give me a part of the team. They would have to do something.
They had to give me a part of the team. Now you know prime.
Yeah. That's different.
That's the thing that I wish. And these guys are unbelievable.
But I just wish, you know, sometimes I just wish we can transport those guys that you and I played in the era with. Right, right.
And so the people today can actually, not highlights, because highlights don't really do it. No, that don't do you no justice.
That don't do you no justice. I tell it to you all the time.
You can hear the passion in my voice. My voice started cracking when I talk about the Randy Mosses.
I talk about the Terrell Owens. I talk about the Marvin Harrison, the Jimmy Smiths.
What people don't understand, watching highlights is one thing, but I got to take my shades off. If you had the opportunity to see these people play in person up close, you will understand.
As great as the receivers are today, they cannot touch, no disrespect. No disrespect.
They can't touch them individuals, huh? Because you got to look at it. It's different.
The guys you name it, they're the three best of all time. You just named Ross, you named Moss, Rice, and T.O.
Right now. Hey, being able to see it in person, man, you don't understand.
Being able to see them boys up close in person and as great as Jamar Chase is and as great as Justice Jefferson is

we can go down the line, the Tyreek Hills

all of them

they was on a different stratosphere

it's different

it's like I'm in the NFL with you

and I'm on the sideline

like this in awe

of watching Moss play, bro

you had to watch him

I'm on the field watching T.O.

I'm in awe

I'm like, golly, boy, I'm really

See you next time. I'm watching Moss play, bro.
You had to watch him. I'm on the field watching T.O.
I'm in awe. I'm like, golly, boy, I'm really sharing the same field with these boys.
When we played Jerry Rice, he was in Oakland. I'm a legit.
I got questions under my glove to add Jerry after the game. Like, Chad, you can probably look that up.
Look at Chad. Somebody look that up for me real quick.
See if you can find it. I had the question for Jerry Rice in my glove after the game.
I was young. I'm like, oh, man, I'm getting ready to shed a field.
One of the greatest of all time. These are the things I don't want to forget, but I want to ask him.
Mm-hmm. Man, listen.
When I tell you I was a student of the game, even though I acted a fool,

you think I was able to talk trash on Wednesday and just go out there just off a win without studying and without knowing my opponent?

Man, shh.

Man, please.

Oh, you got me excited.

I got chills, boy.

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I'll put it to you like this. Jerry got 207 total touchdowns.
What receive? Hey, Chad, what receive? You go look at it and see who has the most touchdowns right now. And you tell me who you think.
Now, before you go and look and see who has the most touchdowns, who's the closest to Jerry, think about when Jerry played. Jerry didn't play where they throw the ball like they do now.
They ran the football. So just think about that.

But these guys are really good.

Chase, man, Chase could have played in there in the era.

There are a lot of these guys, and I think that's one of the compliments you can play.

You can pay a guy.

When you say, son, you can play in the 80s, you can play in the 90s, you can play in the 70s, you can play in the 60s.

When you tell a guy he can do that.

Yeah.

You say that speaks volumes. But these guys, congratulations, guys.

Everything that you get, that you worked hard for, that you put yourself in position to achieve, congratulations. Ronnie Staley says he's very happy to give the Ravens a bargain on the deal.
Ronnie Staley, who is considered the top available offensive tackle this offseason, chose to reside with the Ravens for a team-friendly three-year, $60 million deal on March 8th instead of testing for agency. Staley's decision, as he explained, came down to loyalty.
I knew I was going to give Baltimore the best bargain that I would offer any other team. But that being said, I still wanted to be happy with what I'm making and make sure I'm getting the value that I feel like I deserve.
I think it was a good balance to help the team and something I'm still happy with. Ocho, at one point in time, he was the highest paid.
Yeah. And, you know, injuries, and he took a pay cut.
Yeah. They cut his salary down.
Yeah. And when he had an opportunity to hit them over the head with the hammer, he hit him.
He hit him. He hit him a little bit, but he, guys, now think about it, Ocho.cho.
He stayed for three years, $20 million. You know you go in the free agent market, they're going to overpay.
Oh, every time. Now they're going to give you, they might give you five years, $25 million.
Yes, sir. But he said, you know what? I'm comfortable.
Yeah. A la Josh Allen.
What can I do in $60 million that I need $80 million to do? Considering Yeah. A la Josh Allen.
Mm-hmm. What can I do with, what can I, what can I do with 60 million that I need 80 million to do? Considering.
Yeah. I'd already got this big deal.
Because at the end of the day, Ocho, I want the guy to do what's in the best interest from him. Right.
He's like, I was a first round draft pick, got money. They gave me a contract extension and they believed in me.
Mm-hmm. Because when I was going through that and missed the better part of a year and a half, almost two years, they stuck with me.
They stuck by him. So, listen, that happened very seldom, too, huh? That happened very seldom.
You know how they treat you once you get injured. You understand how they treat you once you get injured.
Now, when they take care of you the way they took care of him, with great understanding, then mentally, subconsciously, you know, if an opportunity like this presents itself and they're willing to pay you, that loyalty comes into play because you never forget that. No.
You never forget that. What they did for you when they don't have to treat you like that because any other team you hurt, ah, you know, they put you out there.
The Ravens good about that, though, Joe. Yeah, they put you out there by the pasture.
You know what happened when they put you out to the pasture? I can't speak to how everybody else do it. You know, we see things, Ocho.
But I was fortunate enough to play for two teams. Very great team.
Great ownership. I played for Mr.
B in Denver. He was great.
Had a different type of relationship with him than most players have with their owners. I got into a situation where I needed some help with something.

Yes, sir.

He said, he gave me his personal attorney's info.

Yes, sir.

He called him.

Yeah.

I called him.

His name was Rich Slifka.

As a matter of fact, Mr. Bowling left him and Joe Ellis in charge of his estate.

I just go to show you what he thought of Rich.

Yeah, yeah.

Pat told me that I was expecting your call. Tell me what's going on.
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Tell me what's going on. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Got me my money back. It is.
And then I played, go to Baltimore. Played for Art Modell.
And I know a lot of people in Cleveland, they're still mad at Art, so forth and so on. But he was great.
He was great to his players. He really was a great man, and I miss him.
Unfortunately, he didn't get an opportunity to see me going to the hall, but everybody knows I have the utmost respect and profound respect for Mr. Modell.
He hated calling him Art. He said Art was his father or grandfather.

I mean, Mr. Modell.

Right.

Called him Art.

And that's how we refer to him as. But it was great.

And it's great to see teams reward their players.

Because a lot of times, players are more loyal to teams than teams are loyal to players.

And it's nice to see a player's loyalty rewarded or reciprocated by said team. But, but, but remember, remember what you said.
Now, the loyalty was shown to the player first. Therefore, it was easy for the player to reciprocate that back to the team.
Now, what I would, what I would love to do is I would love for fans that had that same type of loyalty to the players as opposed to their team and wanting what's in the best interest of the players as opposed to their team first. Fans haven't been able to separate the two.
It's all my team, my team, my team, my team and always leaving the players. And they raise the price, raise the price, raise the price, raise the price every year.
Yeah. And then y'all wonder why the players, they want more money.
Right. Because they see y'all paying more money to the owner.
Yeah. So anytime I see a situation like that, Ocho.
We ready, Ash? Okay. We out.
and so anytime

you see a situation

like that Ocho

I love it

I love

I'm big on loyalty

yes sir

I'm big on that

I give it

I also want it

reciprocated

if I can do something

to help you

I will

now I don't do things

like for the most part

but I do stuff Ocho

I'm not really expecting

anything in return back right that's why I only give the most part, but I do stuff, Ocho. I'm not really expecting anything in return back.

Right, right.

That's why I only give the amount of money that I can say, you know what?

I can go without this.

I can eat this.

Yeah.

I can eat this.

Now, if you come to me, I come to you, I say, Ocho, bro, check this out, bro.

Yes, sir.

Man, I need, like, I need 50.

Wait, what?

Wait, say it again.

Say it again.

Ocho, I need 50. Wait, what? Wait, say it again.
Say it again. Ocho, I need 50.
50 what? 50 bands. Oh, yo, you good? You good? I can get that to you.
Now, my thing is, Ocho, if you come to me and ask for it, you shouldn't have to come back to me and ask for me it back. I need you to be mad enough like you brought your ass to me, all humble.

Hey, Ocho, let me ask you.

You should expect me to come back. Hey, Ocho,

I got your bread, bro. I brought that back.
I got to trace you down

about my money.

Let me tell you what you

never heard. You didn't know.
You didn't know money

had a smell, did you, Ocho?

But you asked for your money back. Oh, you want

that old funky $100 bill back? Yeah, I want my funky ass money back. It wasn't funky when you bought it.
That's how you be treating me by that little $5,200. You be acting funny by that little $5,200.
You know. I'm saying though But guess what If I owe you You be running that Gish in the ground Every night Honestly I tell you what I tell you what Honestly if you owe me 5200 I'm gonna let you Slab for the simple fact I know if I ever needed it I know you got it So I don't even want it Right now I don't even want I wouldn't even want it Right now I won't buy it right now You hold on to that.
I got you. I mean, I could do something with that.
What? What you going to do with 50s 200? Think about it. What you going to do with that? Give it to me and I'll tell you later.
I don't want to tell you. I don't want to tell you right now.
Give it to me. Give it to me and I'll tell you.
Hey, Ocho, you know that picture you on me? Let me tell you what I did with it. That's what I'm going to do.
I don't know what I'm going to do right now. I got you.
I got you. I told you last night.
I told you last night. I've been treating myself this year.
I decided, you know. Why you ain't treat me? Huh? Why you ain't treat me? No, I'm just saying you're not in the fashion the way I'm in the fashion.
2025 is the year. I can't get into it because I'm 5200 show.
I can't get into it. I want to get into fashion.
I want to get some red bucket jeans too. All right, Ocho.
Joining us now, Bill Zoom Zoom had some injuries this year as a rookie, but hey, still had a strong rookie campaign. Let's welcome Buffalo Bill's rookie, Keon Coleman.
Keon, what it do? How y'all doing? Keon, what's up, boy? Where you at, baby? Well, I'm in Texas right now. Oh, man, listen, I'm going to be there tomorrow, man.
We're going to slide. We're going to slide to what you call it.
To what? Wait, you in Dallas or Houston? I'm in Houston. Boy, what? Hey, boy.
You in Houston? Boy, what you doing out there? You good? You're not married, are you? Nah, nah. Okay, you good.
You good. You good.
You good. You going to put some pictures on the wall anytime soon? Yeah, this is just a room, man.
This is just a room. This is an office fix.
Okay. I mean, you know they hang pictures on the office, in the office.
Not yet. I need some more pictures in the air zone, you know, something crazy.
Yeah, yeah. Okay.
You come out, obviously, you know, second round draft pick, your rookie season. What can you take from this season and how do you build on that going into season number two? Really just stay hungry.
I think that's really the thing I came with, you know, come out of the season with stay hungry. Unfortunate injuries and stuff like that.
So just continue to take care of your body. And then, you know, the owner field stuff, you know,

just continue to be where you're supposed to be at.

And,

you know,

the plays don't happen.

You know,

the play,

the playmakers don't make the plays,

you know?

So all that's going to fall in line.

Just continue to work harder.

Yeah.

Hey,

listen,

you had,

you had a good rookie season,

29 catches,

500,

556 yards,

four TDs.

It was,

it was a good showing.

How's your confidence going in year two? And what do you think the difference is from playing in college and the transition into the NFL well the difficult most of the time for players is the learning curve normally you don't arrive as we call it till year three what do you think you need to improve on going into year two so the game slows down for you when the game slows down for you. When the game slows down for you, that's when you know you arrive.
So for one, the confidence, confidence is always on the 100. Got to be.
At this point, so I'm real confident going into the next season. My connection with Josh and all that, let's continue to trend in the right direction.
So confidence real high. Been getting out this offseason training and stuff.
But the biggest difference, college to the NFL, just got to be more technical sound, bro. Everybody's, you know, that much better.
And what makes it even worse, the D-line that much faster. So that's all it is.
They get back there faster, the ball gonna come out faster. And then, understanding that you're not always playing against a guy across from you.
You really playing a guy that's got that head so they don't call the defensive plays. So you're really playing against the B.C.
So understanding their tendencies and what they like to do, what they like to take away from certain guys. That's really, you know, who you really be going against.
So once you master that, then, you know, you'll be all right. I like that.
I like that. There was a report that came out that some team, I mean, you don't have to name the team if you don't want to, got upset with you from eating fruit snacks in the meeting.
Can you elaborate what was said and what made you feel like they got upset with you for eating fruit snacks? I mean, if they would have, the fact that they even mentioned it, it was like, you know, it was a certain look, man. You know that look when you're in the meeting room for the people.

And it's just one of those looks in the night that it was like,

well, I think they stopped me.

It was like, you know, just please, you know,

just wait till afterwards to eat the snacks.

I'm like, I ain't really tripping.

You could have waited till after to say that.

You didn't have to interrupt the meeting for that, do you feel me?

But I'm like, cool.

Like, you know, you get all them formal meetings at the combine. I had like 15 in one day.
This was like number 15. It was all great business, but I was hungry, bro.
I ain't gonna name the team. It ain't that serious.
Right. You went viral for a lot of your comments that you made during the draft process at the combine.
Were Were you surprised by how much attention your answers or the questions that were being asked? Are you surprised at how viral those moments went? I mean, with social media nowadays, everybody kind of just looking for a clip or something that's just different. And it's rare guys just be their self.
You know, in those type of situations, they're more intense or, you know, get a robot answers. I'm just me, bro.
Stuff is just going to be said. It's just, I'm going to be myself 100% of the time.
And, you know, I mean, they did blow up, but I mean, I couldn't say I didn't expect it. It kind of just happened.
You know, it ain't like I was planning for it. It just kind of was conversation here and there.
And I give you my response and what I think I should say. and you just go from there.
I think that's why so many fans including myself I talked about it too about some of the things that you say the way you carry yourself you authentic you organic you're not politically correct you're not a robot which most of the time the NFL wants you to be obviously you understand there's a fine line you don't want to cross but you're're able to be yourself. And what makes it good for you, why I know you're going to be a superstar, because when you have that organic mentality and you're authentic the way you are and real, and a lot of people can relate to you, and you can play on the field as well, that takes you to a whole different level.
So you got that it factor that you can't even teach. So you were ahead of the curve anyway.
So my next

thing I want to ask you is how do you approach

how did you approach learning

the playbook as a rookie? Because I'm thinking about my rookie

year when I got to Cincinnati. Boy, I

struggled, boy. I struggled and I really

couldn't touch the field the way I wanted to.

How did that go

for you, your rookie year?

I mean, it wasn't like

I wouldn't say it was hard

for real. The plays, the playbook,

the formation, none of that really was hard.

It made even more sense from the

college playbook. You know, I played in

a pro-style system at Michigan State

and got to Florida State. It was a number system.

So just a combination of both and

putting myself to the task. If I got to Florida State

to learn it that fast, it helped.

Because I got two different systems to combine and learn is one system. So it was pretty smooth.
Okay, okay. Yeah, it wasn't that simple for me, Keon.
I ain't gonna lie to you. Because the number system, like most people learn the number system 2, 4, 6, 8 is to your right.
1, 3, 5 is to the left. Well, Tom Landry, it was a defensive coordinator.
So when he got to be a head coach and he started calling plays, it was reversed. So 1-3-5 is to your right.
2-4-6-8 is to your left. So I hear something with an even number.
I'm all ass to the right. I got this one.
Hey, Sean, where you going? 2-4-6-8 is to the right. Oh got this one.
Sean, where you going? Two, four, six, eight to the right. Damn.
So I stayed. Yeah, it was tough, but I'm glad you were able to pick up because as Ocho said earlier, the quicker you can pick it up, the quicker you can let your ability take over and you're not thinking.
And you're like, damn, am I running the right route? And you're going, because you want to, like you said,

everything is fed

up.

And you hesitate, you beat in this

league because everybody's good.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Let me ask you this. How did you get used to playing

into the cold? Because look, you got

cold in Michigan, but Buffalo is a different

animal.

They're just three feet, four feet of snow on you overnight. I mean, once it's below, like, 32, below the trees are technically cold and cold, where you just got to, you know, got to all the teams.
It's a mental thing, then. Yeah, like, you should be more excited for the game than you is to think about

the cold

cause it be cold

all week anyways

yeah

so like

the game come

you know you might not

always practice in the cold

but it's like

you can make it a few hours

in the cold

like this is

this is your profession

like

but you go

you go through a little routine

my best advice

I take a shower

before leaving hot games

but them cold games

take you a shower

if you're a Vaseline guy

Vaseline

that body jump

close them floors

I don't know. routine, my best advice, I take a shower before leaving hot games, but if you're cold games, take you a shower.

If you're a Vaseline guy, Vaseline that body jump, close them floors.

If you're a Tiger Balm guy, whatever

you use, use that.

Once you hop out that shower, them floors open.

Use that Vaseline. Get right.

Get your feet. Get your hands and your feet.

That's the main two things.

Get cold. It's a wrap.

It's a wrap. Gotta keep the toes warm.
The toes. And your fingertips.
Once them two get cold, them fingers get cold, you're out there catching like this. You're going to be trying to fit it to your body.
The shoulder pads already brick. It's cold and frozen.
You got to hold that baby. You got to hold that baby, Keon.
You're thinking that. But the call really fun, though, because nobody on the digital side really be trying to hit.
Because they hurt her. They hurt her.
But they just trying to push me out of bounds and stuff. So you catch it.
You just need to be off to the race. Yeah.
Hey, listen. I know you're not a scout.
I know you're not a GM. I know you're not in the front office.
You were a rookie last year.

But based on how well you guys played offensively,

obviously having Josh Allen,

and you know your defense,

if you were a GM,

if you were in the Bills front office,

in the war room draft day,

what do you think your team needs to improve,

if any area needs improving?

I think there's always room for improvement, though.

Yeah, always.

We did deal with quite a bit of injuries, you know,

but on the defensive side of the ball, I'll go D-line.

Okay.

And corner.

Okay.

And probably look for another guy at safety

that can play that higher-based safety position.

Right.

So up and down, in the box and...

Yeah.

Okay, okay.

I'll go D-line. Anywhere on that D-line, I'll go one or two D-linemen Give me a corner Actually, I get two corners You always need depth back there So I'll give me two corners I'll go give me another receiver That can play different positions like that What do you think? I saw reports And it might be possible, I'm not sure if it's true or not, but maybe

Stephon Diggs reuniting, coming back to

Buffalo? I don't know.

My ear don't be in that

door. I don't know about that.

If you come back, I'll be

happy to have him. There's another guy in the room

to learn from.

Listen, for me, from the

outside looking in, add another weapon like Stephon that knows the offense, that knows Josh Allen. Most of the, the pressure wouldn't be on him just being there to contribute in a way, obviously being a veteran presence, you know, for some of the young guys, I think it would be a good look, you know, for you guys.
So, hell, I mean, I like it. I like it.

Like I said,

I don't know.

I don't be hearing about that.

Let me ask you this.

You have Josh Allen.

What's it been like?

Because you go to a team

and you got one of the better quarterbacks in the National Football League. It ain't no, man, I don't know.
I sure hope we can win today. You got this guy.
There's an expectation to win. There's not a hope.
You don't hope to win. Sometimes you have quarterbacks.
Man, if the defense can hold them to 17, if we can get a couple of big plays, create turnovers in special teams, we can win. You go out there every week with 17 as your quarterback expecting to win.
What has it been like playing and having 17 calling plays in the huddle? I mean, it's real fun. You know, we have a lot of fun.
Even throughout the game, we'll be joking around. You know, it's a place where we all can be loose and still be professional and get our job done.
But with him back there, bro, it's like, it's a blessing. I say it's a blessing to be able to be blessed with a quarterback of that talent.
As a rookie, as a younger guy, most guys come in and be great, but struggle because the quarterback is not up to par. But my quarterback demands greatness.
And he demands you to be where you need to be, and that ball will come on time.

Even if you ain't expecting it, it's still there.

It's always going to be a catchable ball.

It's not easy playing with a guy like that

because you have to stay active.

You might think he's going to be on one side,

and like, damn, how you get way over there

and your ball coming out?

It's like, you ain't got time to say,

damn, come on, and take off.

Take off. Hey, when you hear the crowd, go, ah, you start looking, find it.
You got to take off. You better get them on the other side of the field.
You want that rock. That got to be an awesome feeling.
Being able to play with somebody that's elite. One of the best in the game.
Listen, probably top three, top four in the NFL that can extend plays and playoff scripts. So regardless of when the play breaks down, you still know you have an opportunity to get a ball.
That has to be a great thing. I got one question that really had nothing to do with football.
I think, if I'm not mistaken, Buffalo is known for its wings, yes? Yeah, they got some five wing spots like that. So if there was a wing spot, I know you've only been there a year, if there was a wing spot and you had to choose where to go to get wings, when would you go? Barbell? Oh, they got this place called...
It's Love Stump. I don't know the name of it.
I just know where it's at. It's downtown in Buffalo.
But either there or Barbell. I need them to add that honey lemon purple and their hot lemon purple.
I need both of those flavors on all the menus. Okay.
That's the only flavor they're missing for me. Hot lemon purple and honey lemon purple.
I need both of those. So they ain't got no wing stuff out there in Buffalo, huh? Nah.
Okay. I don't think so.
I ain't seen one. Well, you are, I mean, you ride across the, you ride across the bridge from Toronto.
You, you, you, you travel across the bridge? Hey, I, that ain't no, that ain't right across the bridge. That's an hour and a half, man.
Man, Toronto ain't no hour and a half. Man, how you gonna tell me? It's an hour and a half? Because when I came to, because when I came to Buffalo, I went across the street.

And you heard what you say, huh?

What you say?

What you say, Kia?

That traffic ridiculous.

Oh, my.

As soon as you cross the border and you get down to Toronto, traffic ridiculous.

Oh, that thing done changed.

Because when we went across there, it wasn't no hour.

Because, you know, we land.

Hey, drop the bag. Where y'all was saying that, dude?

Where y'all was saying that?

Y'all was in the city of Buffalo?

No.

Well, we was like a 20-minute cab ride. From what? From Toronto.
No, you must be talking about from the border. Once you cross the border, that ain't Toronto.
You got to drive to Toronto.

Hey, I don't know, but they tell us we was in Toronto,

so I took their word for it.

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, Keon.

I'm trying to figure out, if you flew in for a game,

y'all playing the Bills, what you were doing in Toronto?

What's in Toronto? Oh, my bad, my bad, my bad.

Oh, my bad, my bad, hey, my bad.

Hey, what do you got going on over there?

Hey, my bad, my bad. Hey, carry on.
Hey, carry on.

My bad.

My bad.

Hey, that was a long time ago.

I don't remember.

I know.

What's the name of the spot you went to?

I don't remember.

Yeah, you remember.

You remember?

I might need to go there.

You can't hold.

That was before you was born, Key.

I can't even remember that, Key.

I ain't going to lie to you.

I ain't going to hold you.

Oh, you just remember going there.

You don't remember the spot.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything was a blur.
Mm. Mm.
Mm. But let me ask you this.
Your Seminoles. So are you more Florida State or are you more Michigan State? Because your Seminoles fell on a hard time this year, Keith.
Man, I can't even answer that question. I mean, I i've spent more years in missing and missing a statement out there florida right but florida state was a real iconic seven eight months that i was there so i'm i'm both but mr state you know got a whole new culture to come from the west coast so it's a different program than when i was there but you know some of my same guys still there in the weight room and stuff like that.

So I'm both sides. I'll be watching

somewhat, but, you know, most of the guys

that I was like, my younger guys when I was there

at different schools, so I watched different teams play.

Right. Okay.

You still thinking, you still like,

you supporting them.

Yeah, I support players more

because teams change.

You know, coach all that change. I mean, that's like my favorite player was Kobe if Kobe would have ever left forget the league so that's just me I root for my young guys that was under me and that I played with I got a guy in Alabama that I watch Bama games I ain't never really watch no Bama games but he there and he got different guys in different areas I watch their games to support them right sometimes.
Hey, sometimes you wear two mouthpieces, right? Yeah. I know I'm not tripping.
What's that about? What does that come from? Is that from Little League? Is that something you've always done? I remember seeing you do it at Florida State. If I'm not mistaken, I think you did in the league too, right? I did a few games, but man, about until I'll be forgetting.
I don't even wear Mokees in the game. You feel me? Right.
Yeah.

And if I didn't put them on there before the game, then they probably wouldn't ever be a problem.

Right, right, right.

I flew in the state.

I used to wear the Apple Watch.

With the, uh, whatever Apple Watch band, they used to send me the bad colors.

Right.

A team.

And I just would wear it.

Like, I just would be trolling, wearing a team colors.

It was like, it was fine at first when I did it.

Uh-huh.

But now, everybody's just throwing, like, random colors. It don't hit the same.
Okay, okay, okay. When it's all, of course, team colors, It was fine at first when I did it.
Now everybody's just throwing random colors. It don't hit the same.
Okay, okay, okay. When it's the closer team colors, it looks fine.
Okay, I got you. I got you.
Are you a talker? Do you talk trash during the game? Do you like, hey, bro, you about to find yourself on the waiver while tomorrow trying to deal with me. Nah, I be chilling, bro.
But if they say something to me, then it's zero time really quick. I just be bothered.
I come there to do my job. I'm going to woo-woo-woo.
But the moment you say something, it could be something nice. I don't want to hear it.
Just don't talk to me. Right, right, right.
So if somebody say something, then I'm on 10. Like, all right.
Did you have any issues with any DBs this year that really talked trash to you, or was everybody kind of straight? No, only

willing, willing, only person

said something. And we can't

hide out when it ended, but

I mean, shit, that was the only person who really

told me something all year. Okay,

okay, okay, okay. Keyon, man,

thanks for joining us tonight, bro. We really appreciate it.

Continued success. Hey, build on that rookie

season. You got your sophomore season.
Your

quarterback's back in the fold. It's time

to take that next step, bro. It's time to be

a... When we talk about these top receivers,

it's time to make sure Uncle Nocho have your name

in that discussion. Yes, sir.

I will be. Trust him.

All right. Congratulations on your rookie...

Congratulations on your rookie season.

We'll see you down the road, man. Take care.

Appreciate it. Hey, if you need a

DB for some one-on-ones, let me know.

I'll lock you up.

Oh, my God.

Bring your Cleese and bring $10.

I don't even need to.

Wait.

Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Bring my Cleese and what?

Bring $10.

We ain't going to run for three.

Oh.

It's crazy.

It's crazy.

I tell you what.

I tell you what you do.

You might as well wire that 10 to me because if you ain't never seen my DB,

if you ain't seen my DB skills, you ain't catching nothing. It makes you Josh Allen there because I don't want no excuse to say I ain't have my quarterback.
My sister can throw a long view that open. It don't matter who that is.
Get open on who? You! If you, man, you done bumped your head. Boy, I'm a child of God.
You coming out here soon, right? Huh? What size you up? I wear 11. I got some please for you.
I bring you your own please. All right.
You training in Houston? I be everywhere. Wherever you need me to be.
You know, I come down. I come down.
I don't want to get no excuse. I'm not coming down there.
You got to come see me in Texas, bro. I come.
I come to Texas. Who's the quarterback? I don't want no excuse.
It don't matter. It don't matter.
All right. A blind man can throw it.
I'm that open. Just throw it.
Okay. All right.
Say less. I'm going to see you in a minute.
I don't want no excuse. It don't matter.
A blind man can throw it. I'm that open.
Okay. All right.
Say less. I'm going to see you in a minute.
All right, bro. Congratulations again.
See you down the road, bro. Appreciate it.
Keon Colvin, Buffalo Bills, wide receiver, rookie wide receiver going into his sophomore season. We're expecting great things from him coming the upcoming season.
Ocho, Miles Garrett explained his change of heart. He had a John Q moment, a change of heart, and explained why he's staying in Cleveland.
I think I had some frustration, and I feel like that helped us grow and have a conversation where difficult but needed to be had. That created a little more discourse, helped build some relationships and reaffirmed them.
Now I feel like we're in a better place.

Now we can have,

we can move on and grow from there.

Despite Garrett's explanation,

the perception surrounding his decision to stay remains.

He was prioritizing money over winning and NFL network,

Kyle Brandt said Garrett should have been more straightforward about role

money played instead with the Browns.

It was about money and the money said we want to win and we want to do it now. I ain't got no problem with that.
I have no problem. Ocho.
Yeah. Him getting that kind of money.
Yeah. But he know how you going to win now.
You ain't got no quarterback. Hold on.
You're in the same position. The only difference that miles Garrett is in now is that he got $123 million guaranteed, $100 million over the first three years.
That is the only thing that has changed. Nothing has changed towards him winning.
Yeah. Who they gonna win with, don't you? I have a question.
Yes. You know, you understand, you know why you wanted to leave.
You understand why you wanted to leave. You understood also when you asked to talk to management, they told you we're not talking.
We don't want to talk to you and we're not training you. No, he, no.
The owner didn't want to have the conversation. He said, talk to Andrew Barry, who's the general manager who's running it.
He wasn't finna have no conversation either because you you know what we finna do? We know how to get you to want to be here. We gonna pay you.
We gonna pay you. He had no more guaranteed money.
All the guaranteed money that he had signed that big contract that made him the highest paid defender at one point in time was gone. Now, instead of pretending like I'm looking greedy and asking for a contract, you know what? I want to win.
I ain't got no... Look, and I don't want anybody to take this the wrong way.
I really don't have a problem with that. But everybody that's looking at this objectively and realistically knows that Miles Garrett is in no better situation today.
The only better situation is financially. He's in no better situation.
They're not even close to the winning. Also, you got to think about it.
Him wanting to trade and saying, I don't want to be here. They wasn't letting him go anywhere.
They wouldn't let him go. So, I mean, you stuck between a rock and a hard place because they already said, we're not trading you.
Ocho, he knew it. Listen, even when they want to trade, when players want to get traded, sometimes they'll come to him and offer him money.
Hey, and guess what? Carson Palmer. Carson Palmer really wanted to be out of there.
Since they couldn't offer him enough money, could they, Ocho? Now, he refused to come. Remember, he sat at home.
That's when you want to get up out of there. Right.
Yeah. Miles, it was always about money.
Miles wanted more guaranteed money. Miles wanted to be the highest paid defender.
I got no problem whatsoever. But I want people to objectively say, you tell me that Miles Garrett is in a better situation and is in a situation that's more conducive to winning today than he was a month ago.
Right. No.
I mean, we all understand that. We all understand that.
I got no problem with it. Get your money.
Get your money. Also, management doesn't want to lose that centerpiece of that defense.
Management doesn't want to lose the identity to that defense. You know, that defense, it was good.
It was good. I'm not sure what the numbers were last night, but if you at them across the board they are good Denzel Ward Miles Garrett along with the rest of the supporting fans they can be as good as they want to if your offense ain't no good you ain't going nowhere yeah what are they going to do with the quarterback position we will find out listen we'll find out listen we'll find out in April we're going to find out we're going to find out in April when you bring somebody young you get a veteran presence in there to probably start this year to at least give you a chance.
Maybe Kirk Cousins. I'm not sure what's going to happen.
You know? So, listen, I'm just excited for every goddamn body. People getting their money.
I ain't got no problem with that money. Yeah, I don't.
I don't. But my thing is, now, unless you get one of these rookies and he's like Jaden Daniels, you're really not going.
Now, look, it was reported that Russell Wilson was scheduled to visit. I saw it last week, so I don't know if that visit happened.
Thursday, right? He was going to the Giants first. Or was it last week? I think so.
Chad, y'all can correct Ochoa and I if we're wrong, but I think I read it last week that he was supposed to have a visit to Cleveland and the Giants, and I don't know which day each visit was scheduled, but that's what I read. Now, situation, it's also being reported, I don't know if there's any truth to this, that in the process of getting his money, he wanted him to work something out with Nick Chubb.
Right. I don't know.
You know, you read, I read, I don't know

what's true. All I'm just saying is what I read.

I hate that I brought that up

because that was in the paper

and we don't really know if that's true.

And if it is, that was a very

noble and honorable thing to do.

One of the guys that's been there

as long as you had...

I think he came...

I think he came a year before...

No, he came a year after because I think he came with Baker.

I think Chubb was the second round pick

Thank you. As long as you had, I think he came a year before.
No, he came a year after because I think he came with Baker.

I think Chubb was the second-round pick with Baker Mayfield.

I'm almost sure of that.

But he's been one of the leaders in the locker room.

He's been one of the leaders in the locker room.

And Miles felt that he wanted, if they're going to win, I want Chubb to be a part of it. Yeah, I like it.
I like it. Chubb coming off of his second year at the ACL tear.
I'm sure he's going to have a better season this year. If we can get Chubb back to the Chubb we're used to seeing regardless of who's at the quarterback position.
I think that makes things a little easier for them in that area simply because to me it's almost a comparison. I'm not saying Derrick Henry, but he ain't too goddamn far off if you watch Nick Chubb play over the years.
He ain't that far off. You know what, Ocho? I just don't mean, that was a serious injury that he's coming back from.

Yeah, man.

And he had an injury in college.

So the determination,

I just hope he can get some resemblance of being the back that he once was.

Yes, yes.

Most times we don't see power backs.

We don't see power backs.

It's been very few power backs. have the longevity.
Yeah. Adrian Peterson, a Derrick Henry.
We're talking about not contact collision backs, run to collision. They'll run you over.
I mean, they're not really trying to run nobody. They're trying to, they're trying to punish you and make you turn it down because that tackle that you make in the first and second quarter, you're going to be a little bit more apprehensive in the third and the fourth quarter.
And if you notice, as the game progresses, those guys get stronger. Bro, you ain't got to run on me but one time with a bus.
I'm going to dodge that bus the next time I see that mofo coming. Every time.
Every time. I've never seen a running back.
There have been many of them. I've never seen a running back run as violently, as violently as all day.
Adrian Peterson. I ain't never seen.
Adrian Peterson, Marion Barber, didn't have the same type of success or acceleration or I'm trying to say what the word. The longevity? But something about Adrian Peterson he played.
What did they do wrong to you? For you to run the ball like that? Angry. Beast Mode ran like that.

Oh, my goodness.

And Beast Mode had a long career.

But if you go back and look at it, the guy that comes to the top of my head,

I don't know how many people in the chat all enough to remember, was Earl Campbell.

Earl was like that.

But Earl only lasted like seven, eight years.

And I don't know if y'all have seen Earl.

Earl has been in a wheelchair for the last 20, 25 years. For real? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So now Earl has done great off the field. He got a meatpacking, hot links and stuff like that.
So he's done really well. But Earl ran to contact.
He was a collision back, not a contact because contact and collision are two different things. Right.
And normally those guys that run to have collisions, they don't have a longevity. Adrian Peterson played what? 12, 13 years.
You see, you see D Henry play the number of years he's playing. The guy, I mean, he went for 2000.
He was on a pace to have another 2,000 yard. He got hurt rushing for about 1,100 with eight games to go.
So he was on pace to get another. Had a knee injury.
Bounces back from back. Go get 1,500.
Come to the Ravens. Go to get 1,900.
That's crazy. I've never seen anything like Derrick Henry.
I can honestly say I've never seen anything like Derrick Henry. A guy runs like that, that goes over 2,000, that goes over 2,000, and then comes within 80 yards from having 2,000 again? Right.
That's crazy. It absolutely is.
But hopefully Chubb can get some of what he lost, don't you,

from that injury?

Because you know every time, don't you,

them injuries, they take a little bit out of you every time.

It does.

Take a little bit out of you every time.

Yeah.

Yeah, it does.

But listen, even as a Bengal fan, I would love the Browns at full strength

in whatever decisions they do make, whether it be in offseason acquisitions, whether it be through the draft, I would love them at full strength when they do play my Bengals. So there are no excuses about, oh, we didn't have a quarterback or our running back was hurt.
I want to make sure Miles Garrett is there when we put up 50 points. I want him at full strength.
I'm sure we have people in the chat that are Browns fans. I love you.
I love you dearly. I love you dearly.
But come this season, we know who's running the AFC North. I know we have Ravens fans.
Who? Ravens. I know we have Ravens fans in the chat.
And you know how I feel about you. And I tell you this.
I'm going to tell you this since 2001. I love every last one of you.
Huh? Every last one of you. Oh, Joe, y'all ain't one but a handful of games.
Damn. Let me finish my speech.
We know this year, 2025, the AFC North is coming through the 513. Now, if you need me to come sit with y'all at MNT Bank, what's it called, MNT Bank? Yeah.
Yeah. What's the area code of Raven? 443? I don't know.
Chat, anybody from BMO in the chat? What is it, 443? I know we got Ravens fans in the chat. Definitely.
Definitely. I love every last one.
But y'all don't run, man, look, first of all, we already know Cincinnati don't run nothing but don't run nothing but they run. Y'all don't run nothing.
There ain't nothing coming through no Cincinnati. Stop that.
One thing that you can learn about my organization that you can see that we prove we've done something historical that we've never done before that was out of character. 14.
That's right. 14.
14. What's that?

Baltimore.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Oh, it is 443.

I remember.

Yeah.

I used to have a, I ain't never had no Ravens.

I think I had a landline.

I did have a landline.

Landline.

That was 20 years.

Man, hold up.

First of all, Ocho,

you make me see I had a landline yesterday

Had I was 20 years ago when I was in Baltimore

But the way you said it, like it was yesterday

So you don't have a landline in your house right now?

No

Why not?

Who gonna call me on the landline?

People call you on your cell phone

I was just asking

When's the last time you seen a payphone?

MJ, what are you?

Y'all been with it right here?

I can't see it.

That's a no-key.

That's a no-key.

That's a no-key. That's B and O.

A who?

Hello? Yeah. Yeah.
Baby. Yeah, yeah.
Carmen. Tall.
Big booty. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I know, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, yeah. I saw her, I saw her, she got like two kids,

not bad, yeah.

She still look good?

Yeah, uh-huh.

Mm-mm.

Hey, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Let me call you back.

This is my brother calling.

Let me call you back.

Hey, Joe, let me get that right there.

Hey, that's, hey,

hey, that just had conversations be going to, huh? Yeah. Oh, Joe, let me get that right there Hey, that's just our conversation Be going to, huh? Yeah Look at that right here Look at that right here Who that again, no joke? That's us? Who that again, no joke? That's us? Yeah, that's y'all And guess what? In the end zone, I win.
What number is that? What number is that, uh, that Bengal jersey? I don't know. Well, we call it rerun.
You remember how rerun was chasing that truck on what's happening? Right. That's him.
That's him. That's my rookie year, ain't it? Uh, I don't think you were there yet, Ocho.
Okay. And then, October 7, 2001, that is you.
That's your real year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was there.
I'm trying. I wonder what Darnie and P-Dub did that game.
Nothing. Nothing.
Not a damn thing. I don't know about that.
I don't know about that. I know.
I don't know about that. I.
They do nothing. Who won the game? I lost one game in 14 years to the Bengals.
Did I score? I don't think so. Y'all beat, y'all beat, when we came, when we came to y'all, y'all beat us.
I think y'all beat us by like three points. Yeah, that was me.
That was me. That was me.

Nah, that wasn't you.

That wasn't you.

Nah, but I don't want people to think

I don't got no problem with

Miles Garrett. I just think the thing was that was

his play all along. He played it

perfectly. He played it.

He played it perfectly.

Right. He did.

My kid. He played it perfectly.
Right. He did.
Look at it right here, Ocho. What's that? I know that's not a camcorder.
Hey, you better know it. Hey, you know, as soon as I seen the bag, I knew what it was, huh? Hey, I know you got, you got, you got, you got, you went to free me.

Hey, hey, be like Spike Lee, do the right thing.

So you was there?

You, you was there Was I I wanna see the footage No you can't see this Ojo No All things will stop Everything Hey I could imagine This is going right back to the vault. I could imagine.

You still got a VCR?

Nah.

I bet you ain't got no CD player.

Nah, but I got a bunch of cell phones upstairs.

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

A bunch of them.

I'm talking about, I got to keep all my cell phones.

I bet you ain't got no sidekick.

Nah, I wasn't into sidekicks, don't you? I ain't going to lie to you. You had a beeper? A pager? Nope.
I bet you ain't got the Motorola Block phone. I do got it.
It's in Glenville. I got the big one.
Yeah, the big one. Okay, okay.
I got the Star Tech. I got a bunch of phones upstairs.
Okay, okay, okay. Hold on just a second.
Keep on talking. Let me go right quick.
Hold on. All right, Chad.
Listen,

Chad, while he goes upstairs and

rummages through

all the stuff from the 80s,

and I want to talk about my Bengals.

I want to talk about my Bengals, and I want to tell

y'all what's going to happen this year. Now, I've

always been right when it comes to predicting

stuff, and I'm really wrong.

I'm really wrong. Now,

I think about last year, I was wrong twice in a 17-18 game season, including the playoffs. I guess the playoffs all the way right.
I said the Eagles are probably going to win the Super Bowl. Again, they were going to play the Chiefs.
Boom. I was right.
So this year, the AFC North is going to go through Cincinnati. It's going to go through Cincinnati.
So what's going to happen, the way it's going to play out is we're probably going to score 40 to 50 points a game. 40 to 50 points a game and our defense is going to be adequate and just good enough to stop teams, maybe allow maybe 17 to 20 points a game.
That's how it's going to go. I'm not telling you what I heard.
I'm telling you what I know because it's the way the game goes and just the way things are flowing in general. For us as an organization to do something that's never been done before, that's out of character for us as a team and organization, it's going to reward ourselves.
The football gods are going to reward us simply because we did something that we've never done before and we made history. Okay? I think, I think, now I don't have the numbers in front of me, it's possible that we can sign Trey Hendrickson.
I think it's possible. And so we're going to do that.
Now that's one staple. You know, that's one staple that we're going to have that's part of the ecosystem defensively.
If we can get that back, I'm not sure secondary, we got some good dudes out there on the corner. Safety, I'm not sure what's going on with Vaughn and some of the safeties and whatnot.
But outside of that, if you're a gambler man, if there are any gambler women in the chat, I'm telling you now, put your money,

put your money on the bangles. All right.
We're going to be in San Francisco and I'm going to meet you all there sometime in February. And that's it.
Outside of that, I hope you all had a good Monday. I had a great Monday.
You see my jacket. This is a leopard or cheetah.
I'm not sure. they all look the same hello

I love y'all I don't know what else to say right now oh you remember this one that's a razor that's a razor StarTech StarTech right see I knew it it was either razor or StarTech one or the other the antenna come up right yeah yeah yeah Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember them.

I remember them. I remember that.

I remember that.

We'll beeper at.

I ain't have no beeper.

Oh, yeah. I still got...

But I gotta get Shelly. I'm weird that I have them, Ocho,

because I know Shelly put them somewhere.

But I got about...

I think Ocho thing went out.

Ocho, Ocho, uh, thing went up. Uh, Shelly put them somewhere, but I got like 17.
I got the original, uh, iPod. You remember the iPod that hold 10,000 songs? Oh, the big, the big, thick one.
Yes. I got that.
Listen, I got all my HBCU band music on that old iPod.

I told you, it was thick too, boy.

Yeah, I got it.

Hey, I keep everything.

Old MacBook.

Hey, what you be doing with all that, man?

I don't let nothing go.

Hey, you see the big computer behind me, don't you? I got to pick this off, too. Hey, listen, you can have a yard sale and make a grip, boy.
Oh, no. You ain't gonna sell it? No.
Mm-mm. I don't want nobody to get no information off here.
Oh, no. Uh-uh.
Uh-uh. Oh, no.
I ain't get rid of nothing. What you got on there? Are you acting like 007? I don't know what's on there.
Okay, okay. But I tell you what, ain't nobody else going to find out what's on there either.
Okay, I got you. I got you.
You don't want to slip up, huh? No, I want everything. I told you, Ocho.
Yeah.

I would need a crane in my casket.

But carry my casket at six.

Can't do it.

Two-minute skeletons.

Two-minute secrets, Ocho.

Two-minute secrets.

I got you.

I got you.

I got you.

Uh, oh, DJ Houshbazada.

Ocho, you had three catches for 28 yards. Wait.
I only had three for 28? Yep. Damn, I'm sorry as hell.
I had more than you. I had three for 32.
Hold on. I thought I caught a touchdown in that game.

Nah, you didn't catch none.

Hey, you got tackled.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You got tackled on that play.

That might have been...

That was my...

That was my...

That was my first year in Baltimore.

I caught a touchdown.

Look at 2000, Ash.

I thought I caught a touchdown on them.

Travis Taylor had four for 66.

I had three for 32. Coddry had three for 31.
Brandon Stoke had one for 23. Todd Heap had one for 18.
Mo Williams had two for five. Ocho, you're averaging 10 yards a catch.
Yeah. 9.3.
Y'all have 153 yards. A offense? Pass it.
Oh, that's bad. Yeah.
TJ Ledger was 63. You was next with 28.
That's me. That's me.
That's me. I was getting a few.
I had one for 20. Danny Farmer had two for 16.
Corey had two for 12. Peter Warrick had one for seven.

Ron Duggins had one for four.

And Lorenzo Neal had one for three.

Hey, Zo.

Oh, Zo.

As a matter of fact, I just saw him at the Super Bowl, Ojo.

Zo?

Yeah.

Yeah, that's my guy, man.

Lorenzo a funny boy.

Oh, yeah.

Hey, yeah, in 2000, I scored. Had five for 40 in the tub.
That wasn't me. Well, only we won the game, though.
Y'all didn't win, though. Y'all actually...
Hold on. Pull up, Ash.
Pull up Cincinnati's totals. I guarantee we won that game.
Pull up the totals. I don't think y'all,

y'all might not have scored.

Don't do that.

I definitely scored.

Boy, we not,

boy, they not,

go back and look at that film

and watch Rob Burnett.

If y'all see the highlights,

go back and look at that hit.

In 2000,

Rob Burnett

went on Akili Smith.

He got it.

He about not played no more that year.

Well, he must have caught him

from the blind side, huh? Boy, hey, caught him. hey, he was looking just like this.
No, he was like this. And Ron Burnett, he put his helmet right up on his chin.
Ah. What was the score I asked in that game? A whole lot to a few, I know.
Nah. That was it.
Huh? 37-0.

Wait, what?

Zero?

The first two games of the season,

the Steelers blanked them.

Cincinnati blanked them.

No, we beat, no,

the second game of the season,

we ended up beating Jacksonville.

We came back and beat Jacksonville.

That was the game Jimmy Smith had 15 for 291. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.
He went crazy.