Nightcap - Hour 1: Stingley becomes highest paid DB, Keon Coleman joins the show, Aaron Rodgers still making a decision
Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Stingley becoming the highest paid DB in the NFL, Keon Coleman joins the show and discusses his rookie season! Myles Garrett also elaborates on why he staying in Cleveland and much more!
06:14 - Show start
08:46 - Stingley Signed to new deal
31:27 - Keon Coleman joins
53:00 - Myles Garrett on staying in Cleveland
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Speaker 4 We have Keon Coleman joining us a little bit later. But first,
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our thoughts and prayers here at Nightcap go out to Tracy Morgan. He was sitting courtside, Ocho.
I don't know if you've seen the scene. We're not going to show it.
Speaker 4 He was taken out in a wheelchair, but I just want to say our thoughts and prayers here at Nightcap go out to Tracy Morgan and his family. Hopefully he's okay.
Speaker 4 I'm sure he was taken to a local hospital for a diagnosis and evaluation, but hopefully everything turns out.
Speaker 4
This is not the time to try to crack jokes or try to diagnose him because we're not professionals. And that's not what we do here.
So I just want to say our thoughts and prayers.
Speaker 4 I go out from Ocho and I and here at Nightcap that Tracy Morgan has a speedy recovery and everything is okay.
Speaker 4 But
Speaker 4 we're not going to show that scene, but we just want Tracy to get well soon, one of the great comedians of our generation.
Speaker 4 Ocho,
Speaker 4 we will talk extensively about the Texans made Derrick Stingley Jr.
Speaker 4 Three years, 90 million. This deal makes him the
Speaker 4
highest paid DB. You was talking about this, Ocho.
Yeah. They got to that $30 million threshold.
Speaker 4 $30 million
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as a high mark for defensive back, easily toppling the previous mark set by Carolina Panthers JC Horn, who signed just a week ago for $25 million. David Mugaletta.
Congrats, Dave, athletes first.
Speaker 4
The deal is on behalf of Dave Derek Stingley. Reps three of the highest paid cornerbacks and two of the highest paid safeties.
The LSU team of 2019, OJo.
Speaker 4 Joe burrow jamar chase justin jefferson and derrick stingley jr have contracts totaling 600 million million dollars that's a it's a beautiful thing it's a beautiful thing
Speaker 4 with an m six on the mil yeah
Speaker 4 hey derrick stingley is worthy of that contract he's worthy he's worthy and and he deserves every single penny i'm not sure to the extent that people understand how good derrick stingley is listen if i could right now i would break it down in PowerPoint presentation so you get a better understanding on why he got the deal he did get.
Speaker 4
He's electric, technique sound, man-to-man, off coverage, rarely out of position, ball skills, elite. There's really no weakness in his game.
In the run game, he'll come up there and smack you too.
Speaker 4 Oh, yeah.
Speaker 4 Listen, when I talk about an all-around corner that does it all, he is much so deserving of this contract.
Speaker 4 Listen, at some point, people in the chat, if you're listening, if you're watching, just watch Derek Stingley highlights from college, even at LSU, and watch him even in the NFL against some of the EPA echelon receivers, and you'll understand why he got that money.
Speaker 4
He's the real deal. Obviously, he plays in Houston.
He doesn't talk much, so he doesn't get the notoriety or the cameras always on him. But man, listen, he might not talk, but he plays a big game.
Speaker 4 His talk is a game. He play.
Speaker 4 He ain't saying nothing. Inflammatory.
Speaker 4 He plays loud as hell. Yeah.
Speaker 4 Can you imagine if he had personality to go with it on? Imagine if he had a personality like Dion. And he wouldn't be there.
Speaker 4 Everybody, see, oh, Joe, see, the thing is, you want everybody to be like you and I that can talk and still go out there and play. Some people, they talk and get themselves out of their game.
Speaker 4 Right, right, right, right. You and I
Speaker 4 talk to get people out.
Speaker 4
That's what we grew up doing. Yes, sir.
I was always the smallest, so I tried to talk somebody out of their game. So it was natural for me to go out there and bulljive and say whatever.
Speaker 4 You can't, because whether I said a little or a lot, not a lot, I still had to play. Yeah, no matter what.
Speaker 4 So if I didn't say anything, so if so, what if I, if I don't say anything, y'all gonna go easy on me?
Speaker 4
No, F y'all. Yeah.
All y'all, you too.
Speaker 4
But, no, but he is good. And David Mugaletta, I know Dave very well.
He reference, hey, he, he, hey, he gets the deal done.
Speaker 4
Um, Rocky Arsenal. Yeah.
I know Rock. I've been knowing Rock for a long time.
He did Chase
Speaker 4 and
Speaker 4 Chase and a
Speaker 4 Teans.
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The first person I knew he had was Marshall Falk. Yes, so that's how I met him at the Pro Bowl one year over there with Marshall.
He also did Zeke Elliott. He's a
Speaker 4 New Orleans native.
Speaker 4 And so that's how I know Rock.
Speaker 4
But David Mugaletta gets the deal done. And he got it done athletes first.
They do big things. They got a lot of clients over there.
Speaker 4
And I love when the brothers are doing things and guys shaping up with those guys. And so I appreciate David and what you've been able to do.
Congratulations on this deal.
Speaker 4 But stinging, congratulations to you, bro. You earned this.
Speaker 4 You know, I believe people
Speaker 4 earn what they deserve. Yes.
Speaker 4
He earned this with his play. Yes.
Other field has been exemplary.
Speaker 4 And I like, this is what I love the most, OJo. When guys don't have to look, bro, I've done it.
Speaker 4 You reward me because guess what? If I wasn't living up, you release me. So why I got to come to you and ask you about my money? Right, right, right, right, right.
Speaker 4 and i don't want to hear that i don't want to hear when you sign the contract they how many players do they cut with years left on their contract that signed
Speaker 4 them up by no oh oh uh he's no yeah so it needs to work both ways i ain't got no problem i ain't got no problem i got no problem if somebody underperforms and you want to move on move on yes but when they overperform
Speaker 4 come on reward them break bread reward them and matter of fact
Speaker 4
give me me yeah Listen, we talk about Patrick Sertain II got his deal. JC Horn got his deal.
Derek Stinley got his deal. Chad, y'all know who up next, right?
Speaker 4
Sauce. Sauce is up next.
And Sauce talked about, he tweeted, if I'm not mistaken, about how come we as DBs aren't paid as well or compensated as well as the defense of the ends.
Speaker 4 You know, defensive ends are seen in a different light as far as game changers, being able to impact a game much more different than that of a corner.
Speaker 4 But when you think about it, there are some corners in today's game that could impact a game too by shutting down one side of the field.
Speaker 4 Patrick Sertain is in that group. I think Derek Schlee is one of those where teams have to be cautious and going at him, depending on who the receiver is or who they are playing.
Speaker 4 And I think Sauce can also be in that group as well.
Speaker 4
I think a lot of people probably wouldn't agree. People will argue about Sauce.
And listen, Sauce is very good.
Speaker 4
He had a down year this year, but the first two years was really good. It's hard, Ocho.
It's hard. If you're not technically sound,
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if you're not technically sound, they're going to try your ass. Hell yeah.
Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely.
But this is the thing. To me,
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you might not agree with me. Some of the people in the chat might not agree with me.
But as a receiver myself and a former DB, you know, I played both sides of the ball.
Speaker 4 I believe that the defensive back position is a harder position to play in football. It is.
Speaker 4 For the fact that you are doing everything at full speed with possibly due in reverse, going back with somebody, some of the elites, the Jamar Chases, the T.
Speaker 4 Higgins, you know, the George Pickens going at you full speed, the Tyreek Hills. I mean, come on, man.
Speaker 4 You know, so, I mean, that's that's listen,
Speaker 4 I'm always a fan and enthusiastic when it comes to defensive backs in their play, especially when they get rewarded like this. No salute to Stingley.
Speaker 4 Sauce Garden, you up next, baby.
Speaker 4 You got to reset the market. You're going to reset the market again.
Speaker 4 Let's go for 32.
Speaker 4 What's it call him going to be? Hey, Trent McDuffie.
Speaker 4 I hate that McDuffie hadn't made a Pro Bowl or been an all-pro because now you're talking about 13 million in his fifth-year option as opposed to 22,
Speaker 4
23 million in a fifth year option. And so that's the thing that I really hate about it.
But it's kind of like basketball.
Speaker 4 You're on the first, one of the first three teams of all NBA, your defensive player of the year, your all-NBA selection. That increases the value.
Speaker 4 But man, so much is contingent on things that are outside of your control. Like the media votes on, you know, the all-pro
Speaker 4 fans and coaches and stuff vote because the players only have
Speaker 4
a third of the vote. Yeah.
So it's tough. And I really want these guys to get what they've earned.
And, you know, I think Trent McDuffie is one of the better corners in the football league.
Speaker 4
Absolutely. And I want his play to be to indicate that.
right um
Speaker 4 but that's what happens you know quarterbacks ain't got to do that no they'll be quarter the quarterbacks be getting that money ain't been nowhere near first team or second team or 10 team all-pro yeah and they and they get their money and with no hesitation yeah and listen they will always treat the quarterback position that way that that's that's obviously the most valuable positive valuable position on the field regardless who has and touches the ball most of the time
Speaker 4 it will always be that way, especially when you got the special ones.
Speaker 4 How many years did Josh Allen still have on his contract?
Speaker 4 I think he had four. Man, listen, they don't play.
Speaker 4 They do not play when it comes to them quarterbacks, especially the elite ones. Oh, you're going to get your money.
Speaker 4 Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 4 I ain't got no problem with that, Ocho. You know,
Speaker 4 I ain't going to never have no.
Speaker 4
He was a rookie season, second season, once again, blah, blah, blah. Oh, Ocho, he was.
He was our first team all pro last year.
Speaker 4
Oh, McDuffie. Yeah.
So, hey, he's going to get. Oh, so he's next, Ocho.
Yeah, he's going to. He ain't going to come see me.
After this season, after this season, they're going to come see you.
Speaker 4
They got to come see me. They're going to come see me.
Listen, I want the knock on the door to be real loud, too.
Speaker 4 I want the knock on the door to be real loud.
Speaker 4 Don't be ashamed.
Speaker 4 Ocho, I want you to have me have my chick under the door. I don't want nobody to know.
Speaker 4
One thing about it, they gonna know. Huh? For sure.
Yeah, that check coming from the check coming from that entity. Oh, they gonna know.
Speaker 4 Yeah.
Speaker 4 And look,
Speaker 4
these guys are so good now, OJo, and the money. I mean, you know what, Ocho? It slipped my mind because I had a thousand things going on.
I wanted to call Pratt. I wanted to call Time today.
Speaker 4 Hey, Time, man, you see what's stinging the guy? Time, well, how much did they have to pay you?
Speaker 4 Time's, I already know they're gonna say, Man, they had to give me a part of the team.
Speaker 4 They would have had to do something, John. You had to give them to give me a part of the team.
Speaker 4 Now, you know, Prime. Yeah,
Speaker 4 that's different.
Speaker 4
That's the thing that I wish. And these guys are unbelievable.
But I just wish, you know, sometimes I just wish we can transport those guys that you and I played in the era with. Right, right.
Speaker 4
And so the people today can actually, not highlights, because highlights don't really do it. No, that'll do you no justice.
That'll do you no justice.
Speaker 4
I tell it to you all the time. You can hear the passion in my voice.
My voice starts cracking when I talk about the Randy Mosses. I talk about the Tara Lowens.
Speaker 4 I talk about the Marvin Harrison, the Jimmy Smiths. What people don't understand, watching highlights is one thing, but I got to take my shades off.
Speaker 4 If you had the opportunity to see these people play in person up close, you will understand, as great as the receivers are today, they cannot touch, no disrespect.
Speaker 4 No disrespect. They can't touch some individuals, huh? because you gotta look at it
Speaker 4 it's different the guys you naming
Speaker 4 they're the three best of all time you just named Ross you know you name Moss Rice and TO right now
Speaker 4 Hey, being able to being able to see it in person, man, you don't understand, being able to see them boys up close in person.
Speaker 4 And as great as Jamar Chase is, and great as Justice Jefferson is, we can go down the line, the Tyreek Hills and then the
Speaker 4 all of them, though, they was on a different stratosphere. it's different it's like i'm in the nfl with you and i'm on the sideline like this in awe you're watching moss play bro you had to watch him
Speaker 4 i'm on the field watching to i'm in awe i'm like golly boy i'm really i'm really sharing the same fear with these boys when we played jerry rice he was in oakland i'm a little i'm a legit I got I got questions in my um
Speaker 4 under my glove to add Jerry after the game
Speaker 4 caught 1200 yards in the chat you can probably look that up look at chat somebody look that up for me real quick see if you can find it where i had the i had the question for jerry rice in my glove after the game i was i was young i'm like oh man i'm getting ready to share the field one of the greatest of all time this is these are the things i don't want to forget but i want to ask him
Speaker 4 oh i'm man man listen when i tell you i was a student of the game even though i acted a fool
Speaker 4 You think I was able to talk trash on Wednesday and just go out there just off a win without studying, without knowing my opponent?
Speaker 4
Man, shh, man, please. Oh, you got me excited.
I got chills, boy. Golly.
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Speaker 4 Jerry got 207 total touchdowns.
Speaker 4 One receiver, hey, Chad, one receiving, you look at, go look at it and see who has the most touchdowns right now. And you tell me who you think.
Speaker 4 Now, think, I want you to before you go and look and see who has the most touchdown who's the closest to jerry yeah think about when jerry played yeah jerry didn't play where they throw the ball like they do now yeah they ran the football
Speaker 4 so just think about that but these guys are really good chase man chase could have played in there
Speaker 4 a lot of these guys and that's i think that's one of the compliments you can play yeah you can pay a guy when you say son you could play it in the 80s you can play in the 90s you can play in the 70s you can play in the 60s when you tell a guy he can do that yeah
Speaker 4
you say that that speaks volume. But these guys, congratulations, guys.
Everything that you get, that you worked hard for, that you put yourself in position to achieve. Congratulations.
Speaker 4 Ronnie Staley says he's very happy to give the Ravens a bargain on the deal.
Speaker 4 Ronnie Staley, who was considered the top available offensive tackle this offseason, chose to reside with the Ravens for a team-friendly, three-year, $60 million deal on March 8th instead of testing free agency.
Speaker 4 Staley says Staley's decision,
Speaker 4 as he explained, came down to loyalty.
Speaker 4 I knew I was going to give Baltimore the best bargain that I would offer any other team.
Speaker 4 But that being said, I still wanted to be happy with what I'm making and make sure I'm getting the value that I feel like I deserve.
Speaker 4
I think it was a good balance to help the team and something I'm still happy with. Ocho, at one point in time, he was the highest paid.
Yeah. And, you know, injuries and he had, he took a pay cut.
Speaker 4
Yeah. They cut his salary down.
Yeah. And when he had an opportunity to hit them over the head with the hammer,
Speaker 4 he hit him he hit a little bit but he guys can't now think about it ocho yeah he stayed for three years 20 million yeah you know you go in the free agent market they're gonna overpay oh every time
Speaker 4 now they're gonna give you they might give you five years 25 million yes sir but he said you know what i'm comfortable yeah all i'll like josh allen
Speaker 4 what can i do with what can i what can i do with 60 million that i need 80 million to do considering yeah i'd already got this big deal because at the end of the day, Ocho, I want the guy to do what's in the best interest of him.
Speaker 4 He's like, hey, I was a first-round draft pick, got money. They gave me a contract extension, and they believed in me.
Speaker 4 Because when I was going through that and missed the better part of a year and a half, almost two years, they stuck with me. They stayed stuck by him.
Speaker 4 So you listen, that happened very seldom too, all.
Speaker 4
That happens very seldom. You know how they treat you once you get injured.
You understand how they treat you once you get injured.
Speaker 4 Now, when they take care of you the way they took care of him with great understanding, then mentally, subconsciously, you know, if an opportunity like this presents itself and they're willing to pay you,
Speaker 4
that loyalty comes into play because you never forget that. No.
You never forget that, what they did for you when they don't have to treat you like that.
Speaker 4
Because in any other team, you hurt, ah, you know, they put you out there. The Raven's good about that, though, Ocho.
Hey, yeah,
Speaker 4 they put you out there by the pasture. And you know what happened when they put you out to the pasture?
Speaker 4 I can't speak to how everybody else do it.
Speaker 4 You know, we see things ocho but i was fortunate enough to play for two teams very great team great ownership i played for the uh uh mr b in denver he was great have a different type of relationship with him than i than than than most players have with their owners right uh got into some a situation where i needed some help with something yes he he said i got he said he gave me his personal attorney's info said call him yeah i called him name was rich slifka uh as a matter of fact mr bowler left him and uh joe ellis in charge of his estate Just go to show you what he thought of Rich.
Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah. He said,
Speaker 4
Pat told me that I was expecting your call. Tell me what's going on.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Speaker 4 Got me my money back. It is.
Speaker 4
And then I played, go to Baltimore, play with for Art Model. And I know a lot of people, Cleveland, they're still mad at Art, so forth and so on.
But he was great.
Speaker 4 He was great to his players. He really was a great man.
Speaker 4 And i miss him um unfortunately he didn't get an opportunity to uh to see me go into the hall but i everybody knows i have the utmost respect and profound respect for uh mr modal he hated uh calling him art he said art was his father or grandfather i mean mr modale right calls him uh art
Speaker 4 and that's how we refer to him as but uh it was great it and i it's great to see teams reward their players because a lot of times players are more loyal to teams than teams are loyal to players.
Speaker 4 And it's nice to see a player's loyalty rewarded or reciprocated by said team.
Speaker 4
But remember, remember what you said now, the loyalty was shown to the player first. Therefore, it was easy for the player to reciprocate that back to the team.
Now,
Speaker 4 what I would love to do is I would love for fans that had that same type of loyalty to the players as opposed to their team and wanting what's in the best interest of the players as opposed to their team first.
Speaker 4
Fans haven't been able to separate the two. It's all my team, my team, my team, my team.
And always
Speaker 4 leaving the players.
Speaker 4 And they raise the price, raise the price, raise the price, raise the price every year. Yeah.
Speaker 4 And then y'all wonder why the player and the player wonder why the players, they want more money because they see y'all paying more money to the honor. Yeah.
Speaker 4 So anytime I see a situation like that, Ocho,
Speaker 4 we ready, Ash?
Speaker 4 Okay.
Speaker 4 Well, so anytime you see a situation like that, Ocho, I love it.
Speaker 4
I love, I'm big on loyalty. Yes, sir.
I'm big on that.
Speaker 4 I give it. I also want it reciprocated.
Speaker 4
If I can do something to help you, I will. Now, I don't do things like for the most part, when I do stuff, Ocho, I'm not really expecting anything in return back.
Right, right.
Speaker 4 That's why I only give the amount of money that I can say, you know what?
Speaker 4
I can go. I can do what I need.
I can eat this. Yeah.
I can eat this. Now, if you come to me, I come to you.
I say, oh, bro, check this out, bro. Yes, sir.
Man, I need like,
Speaker 4 I need 50.
Speaker 4 Wait, what? Wait, say it again. Say it again.
Speaker 4 Ocho, I need 50. 50?
Speaker 4
50 bands. Oh, yo, you good.
You good. I can get that to you.
Speaker 4 My thing is, Ocho, if you come to me and ask for it,
Speaker 4 you shouldn't have to come back to me and ask for me back i need you to be mad enough like you brought your ass to me right all humble hey hey ocho let me ask you you should expect me to come back hey oh i got your bread bro i brought that back i gotta trace you down about my money right
Speaker 4 let me tell you what you what you'll never hear you didn't know you didn't know money how to smell did you ocho but you asked for your money back oh you want this old funky hundred dollar bill back yeah i want my funky ass money back it wasn't funky when you bought it hey hey hey well that's how you be that's how you be treating that's how you be treating treating me about that little 5200 uh that little 5200
Speaker 4 hey
Speaker 4 you be you be acting funny about that little 5200 huh you know man why you want see that's what i'm saying though but guess what if i owe you you be running that the ground every time i honestly i'll tell you what i tell you what honestly if you owe me 5200 i'm gonna let you slap for the simple fact i know if i ever needed it i know you got it so i don't even want it right now i don't even want i wouldn't even want it right now i won't buy right now
Speaker 4 you hold on to that i got you i got you i mean i could i could do something with that what what
Speaker 4 what you gonna do with 5200 think about it what you gonna do with that give it to me look give it to me and i'll tell you later
Speaker 4 i don't want to tell you right i don't want to tell you right now give it to me give it to me and i'll tell you hey ocho you know that 5200 you owe me let me tell you what i did with it
Speaker 4
that's what i'm gonna do but i don't know what I'm going to do right now. Hey, I got you.
I got you.
Speaker 4 I told you last night. I told you last night.
Speaker 4 I've been treating myself this year. I decided, you know, why you ain't treat me?
Speaker 4 Huh? Why you ain't treat me? No, I'm just saying, you're not in the fashion the way I'm in the fashion.
Speaker 4 2025 is the year. I can't get into it because I fit the 200 show.
Speaker 4 I can't get into it. I want to get into fashion.
Speaker 4
I want to get some red bucket jeans too. All right, Ocho, joining us now, Bill Zoom.
Had some injuries this year as a rookie, but hey, still had a strong rookie campaign.
Speaker 4 Let's welcome Buffalo Bills rookie, Keon Coleman. Keon, what do you do? How y'all doing? Keon, what's up, boy? Where you at, baby? Well, Zan, how I'm in Texas right now.
Speaker 4 Oh, man, listen, I'm going to be there tomorrow, man.
Speaker 4 We're going to slide. We're going to slide
Speaker 4 the, whatchamacallit?
Speaker 4 Wait, you in Dallas or Houston? I'm in Houston.
Speaker 4 What? Hey, what? Well, you in Houston? Boy, what are you doing out there? You good? You're not married, are you?
Speaker 4
Nah, nah. Okay, you good.
You good. You good? You good?
Speaker 4
You're going to put some pictures on the wall anytime soon? Nah, this is just a room, man. This is just a room.
This is an office space. Okay.
Speaker 4 I mean, you know, they hang pictures on the office, in the office.
Speaker 4 Not yet.
Speaker 4 I need some more pictures of like the end of the year zone, you know, something crazy.
Speaker 4 Okay, you come out, obviously, you know,
Speaker 4 second round draft pick, your rookie season. What can you take from this season and how do you build on that going into season number two?
Speaker 4 Really, just stay hungry. I think that's really the thing I came with, you know, come out of the season with stay hungry.
Speaker 4 Unfortunately, injuries and stuff like that, so just continue to take care of your body.
Speaker 4 And then, you know, the on the field stuff, you know, just continue to be where you're supposed to be at.
Speaker 4 And, you know, the players going to have to, you know, the player, the playmakers going to make the plays, you know.
Speaker 4 yeah so all that's gonna fall in line just continue to work harder yeah hey listen you you had you had a good rookie season 29 catches 556 yards four tds it was it was a good showing how's your confidence going in the year two and what do you think the difference is from playing in college and the transition into the nfl was it difficult most of the time for players is the learning curve normally you don't arrive as we call it till year three
Speaker 4 what do you think you need to improve on going into year two?
Speaker 4 So the game slows down for you. When the game slows down for you, that's when you knew you arrived.
Speaker 4
So for one, the confidence, confidence is always on the hundred. Gotten to be standing there a thousand at this point.
So I'm real confident going into the next season.
Speaker 4
My connection with Johnson, how that's continued to trend in the right direction. So confident real high.
Been getting
Speaker 4 out of this off-season training and stuff.
Speaker 4 But the biggest difference, college to the NFL, just got to be more technically signed, bro everybody's looking you know that much better you know and what make it even worse the d line that much faster so that's all it is they get back there faster the ball gonna come out faster and then understanding you're not always playing against a guy across from you you're really playing the guy that's got that head so don't call him the thief of the players so you're really playing against the dc so understanding their tendencies and what they like to do what they try like to take away from certain guys uh that's that's really you know who you really be going against so once you master that then you know you'd be all all right.
Speaker 4 I like that. I like that.
Speaker 4 There are the reports that came out that some team, I mean, you don't have to name the team if you don't want to, got upset with you from eating fruit snacks in the meeting.
Speaker 4 Can you elaborate what was said and what made you feel like they got upset with you for eating fruit snacks?
Speaker 4 I mean, if they wouldn't have, if they would have, the fact that they even mentioned it, it was like, it was like, you know. Because it was like it was a certain look, man.
Speaker 4 You know that look when you're in the meeting room full of people. And it's just one of those looks.
Speaker 4 And then after they're just like, well, I think they stopped at me and was like, you know, just please, you know, just wait till afterwards to eat the snacks.
Speaker 4
I'm like, you know, I ain't really tripping. You could have waited till after to say that.
You didn't have to interrupt with me for that. Do you feel me? But I'm like, cool.
Speaker 4 Like, you know how you get all them
Speaker 4
formal meet at the combine. I had like 15 numbers in one day.
This was like number 15. Yeah, it was all great business.
But I was. Top of us hungry, bro.
I ain't gonna name the team, though.
Speaker 4 It ain't that serious. Right.
Speaker 4 You went viral for a lot of your comments that you made during the draft process at the combine were you surprised by how much attention your your your your answers or the questions that were being asked are you surprised at how viral those moments went
Speaker 4 i mean with the social media nowadays bro everybody kind of just looking for a clip or something that's just different and it's rare guys just be theirself you know in those type of situations they're more intense or you know get a robot answers i'm just me bro stuff just is just gonna be said it's just i'm gonna be myself 100% of the time.
Speaker 4
And, you know, I mean, they did blow up, but I mean, I couldn't say I didn't expect it. It kind of just happened.
You know, it ain't like I was planning for it.
Speaker 4
It just kind of was conversation here and there. And I give you my response and what I think I should say.
And you just go from there.
Speaker 4
I think that's what, that's why so many fans, including myself, I talked about it too, about some of the things that you say, the way you carry yourself. You authentic.
You organic.
Speaker 4 You're not politically correct. You're not a robot, which most of the time the NFL wants you to be.
Speaker 4 Obviously, you understand there's a fine line you don't want to cross, but you're able to be yourself.
Speaker 4 And what makes it good for you, why I know you're going to be a superstar, because when you have that organic mentality and you're authentic the way you are and real, and a lot of people can relate to you, and you can play on the field as well, that takes you to a whole different level.
Speaker 4 So you got that it factor that you can't even teach. So you ahead of the curve anyway.
Speaker 4 So my next, my next thing I want to ask you is, how do you approach, how did you approach learning the playbook as a rookie? Because I'm I'm thinking about my rookie year when I got to Cincinnati.
Speaker 4 Boy, I struggle, boy. I struggle and I really couldn't touch the field the way I wanted to.
Speaker 4 How did that, how did, how did that go for you, your rookie year? I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't like, it wasn't, I wouldn't say it was hard for real.
Speaker 4
The plays, the playbook, the formulations, none of that really was hard. It made even more sense from the college playbook.
You know, I played in a pro-style system at Michigan State.
Speaker 4
I got to Florida State. It was a number system.
Right. So just the combination of both and putting myself to the task.
Speaker 4
And if I got to to Florida State to learn it that fast, it helped because I got two different systems to combine and learn as one system. So it was, it was pretty smooth.
Okay. Okay.
Speaker 4 Yeah, it wasn't that simple for me, Kean. I ain't going to lie to you.
Speaker 4 Because the number system, like most people learn the number system, 2468 is to your right.
Speaker 4
135 is to the left. Well, Tom Landry, it was a defensive coordinator.
So when he got to be a head coach and he started calling plays, it was reversed. So 135 is to your right.
2468 is to your left.
Speaker 4
So I hear something with an hard, with an even number, I'm all ass to the right. I got this one.
Hey, Sean, where you
Speaker 4 Sean, where you going?
Speaker 4 2468 is to the right. Ah, damn.
Speaker 4 So I stayed.
Speaker 4 Yeah, it was tough. But I'm glad you was able to pick up because, as Ocho said earlier, the quicker you can pick it up, the quicker you can let your ability take over and you're not thinking.
Speaker 4 Oh, yeah. And you're like, damn, am I running the right route? And you're going, because you want to, like you said,
Speaker 4 everything is fed up.
Speaker 4 And you hesitate, you beat in this league because everybody's good.
Speaker 4 Yeah.
Speaker 4 Yeah.
Speaker 4 Let me ask you this: how did you get used to playing into the cold? Because I mean, look, you got cold in Michigan, but Buffalo is a different animal.
Speaker 4 I mean,
Speaker 4 they'll dump three feet, more feet of snow on you overnight.
Speaker 4 I mean,
Speaker 4 once it's below, like 32, below freezing, technically,
Speaker 4
cold and cold, right? You just gotta, you gotta, you know, got your own team. It's a mental fact there.
Yeah, like, you should be more excited for the game than you is to think about the cold
Speaker 4 because it'd be cold all week, anyways. Yeah, so like the game come, you know, you might not always practice in the cold, but it's like, but you can make it a few hours in the cold.
Speaker 4
Like, this is this is your profession. Like, but if you go, you go through a little routine, my best advice, advice, I take a shower before even hot games.
But them cold games, take you a shower.
Speaker 4
If you're a Vaseline guy, Vaseline that body down, use them pores. If you're a tiger ball guy, whatever you use, use that.
Once you hop out that shower, them pores open,
Speaker 4
use that Vaseline, get right, get your feet, get your hands and your feet. That's the main two things.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 Get cold. It's a wrap.
Speaker 4
It's a wrap. I got to keep them toes.
Got to keep them toes.
Speaker 4 The toes and your fingertips.
Speaker 4 Once them two get cold, them fingers get cold. You got to catch them like this.
Speaker 4 You're going to be trying to fit it to your body.
Speaker 4
Yeah. And the sugar pads already brick.
Like this cold is frozen.
Speaker 4
You got to hold that baby. You got to hold that baby.
You got to hold that baby, Keon. You'll figure it out.
But the cold really fun, though, because nobody on the Diesel side really be trying to hit.
Speaker 4 Because they're everywhere.
Speaker 4
So they're just trying to push down the bonds and stuff. So you catch it.
You just be off to the races. Yeah.
Hey, listen, I know you're not a scout.
Speaker 4 I know you're not a GM, I know you're not in the front office.
Speaker 4 Um, you were a rookie last year, but based on how well you guys played offensively, obviously, having Josh Allen, and you know, your defense.
Speaker 4 If you were a GM, if you were in the Bills' front office in the war room draft day,
Speaker 4 what do you think your team needs to improve, if any area needs improving?
Speaker 4 I think there's always room for improvement, though. Yeah, always.
Speaker 4 Uh, we had a we did deal with quite a bit, uh, quite a bit of injuries, you know, but on the defensive kind of the ball, I'll go D-line
Speaker 4
and a corner. Okay.
And probably look for another guy at safety that could play that higher-bitch safety position. Right.
So
Speaker 4 up and down, in the box.
Speaker 4 Yeah. Okay, okay.
Speaker 4 I'll go D-line. Anywhere on that D-line, I'll go one or two D-linemen.
Speaker 4
Give me a corner. Actually, I get two corners.
You always need that back there. Right, right, right.
Speaker 4 So I'll give me two corners, and then
Speaker 4 I'll go give me another receiver that can play different positions like that well what you think what you think i saw i saw reports and it might be possible i'm not sure if it's true or not but maybe stephon diggs reuniting coming back to buffalo i don't know
Speaker 4 my ain't gonna be in that door i don't know about that i mean
Speaker 4 i'd be happy to have him as just another guy in the room to learn from yeah yeah i listen listen listen from for me from the outside looking in adding another weapon like stefon that knows the offense that knows josh allen um most of the the the pressure wouldn't be on him just being there to contribute in a way, obviously being a veteran presence.
Speaker 4 You know, for some of the young guys, I think it would be a good look, you know, for you guys. So,
Speaker 4 and hell, I mean, damn,
Speaker 4 I like it. I like it.
Speaker 4 Like I said, I don't know. My ear don't be in that window.
Speaker 4 I don't be hearing nothing about that.
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Speaker 4
Let me ask you this. You have Josh Allen.
What's it been like? Because you go to a team and you got one of the better quarterbacks in the National Football League. It ain't no, oh, man, I don't know.
Speaker 4
I sure hope we can win today. You got this guy.
There's an expectation to win. There's not a hope.
You don't hope to win.
Speaker 4 Sometimes you have quarterbacks, man, if the defense can hold them to 17, if we can get a couple of big plays,
Speaker 4
create turnovers in special teams, we can win. You go out there every week with 17 as your quarterback, expecting to win.
What does it mean like playing and having 17 calling plays in the huddle?
Speaker 4
I mean, it's real fun. You know, we have a lot of fun even throughout the game.
We'll be joking around. You know, it's a place where we all can be loose and still be professional and get our job done.
Speaker 4 But with him back there, bro, it's like it's a blessing. I say it's a blessing to be able to be blessed with a quarterback that has talent as a rookie, as a younger guy.
Speaker 4 Most guys come in and be great, but struggle because the quarterback is not up the part but my quarterback demands greatness and he demands you to be where you need to be and that ball gonna come on town and even if you ain't expecting it it's still there yeah yeah it's always gonna be a catchable ball it's not easy playing with a guy like that because you have to stay active you might think he's gonna be on one side and like damn how you get way over there and the ball coming out it's like it's like you ain't got time to say damn come on and take off take off
Speaker 4
hey when you hit a crowd go wow you start looking find it. You got to take off.
You better be putting on the other side of the film. You want that rock.
Speaker 4 That got to be an awesome feeling, being able to play with somebody that's elite, one of the best in the game.
Speaker 4 Listen, probably top three, top four in the NFL that can extend plays and play off scripts. So regardless of when the play breaks down, you still know you have an opportunity to get a ball.
Speaker 4 That has to be a great thing.
Speaker 4
I got one question. It really had nothing to do with football.
I think if I'm not mistaken, Buffalo is known for its wings. Yes?
Speaker 4 Yeah, they got some power wings spots like that. So
Speaker 4 if there was a wing spot, I know you've only been there a year. If there was a wing spot and you had to choose where to go to get wings, when would you go?
Speaker 4 Barbell?
Speaker 4 Oh, they got this place called
Speaker 4 It's Love Something.
Speaker 4
I'm not going to know the name, but I just know where it's at. It's downtown in Buffalo.
But either there or Barbill.
Speaker 4
I need them to add that honey lemon pepper and that hot lemon pepper. I need both of those flavors on all these menus.
Okay.
Speaker 4 That's the only flavor they missing for me.
Speaker 4
Hot lemon pepper and honey lemon pepper. I need both of those.
So
Speaker 4
they ain't got no wing stuff out there in Buffalo, huh? Nah. We ain't got that.
Okay. I don't think so.
I ain't seen one. Well, you are, I mean,
Speaker 4 you ride across the bridge from Toronto.
Speaker 4 You travel across the bridge? Hey, I who
Speaker 4
that ain't right across the bridge. That's an hour and a half, man.
Man, Toronto ain't no hour and a half. Man, how you gonna tell me? it's
Speaker 4 when i came because when i came to because when i came to buffalo i went across ridiculous
Speaker 4 and you heard it what you said uh what what you say what you said kia that traffic ridiculous oh my god soon soon as you cross the border and you get down to the to toronto traffic ridiculous
Speaker 4 oh that's it thing no change because when we went across there it wasn't no hour because you know we hey because you know we land
Speaker 4 hey drop the bag
Speaker 4 at though where y'all understand that y'all was in the city of buffalo no
Speaker 4 Where y'all stand at? I don't think so because,
Speaker 4
man, it had to be. Bro, we was only 20, we was like a 20-minute cab ride.
From where?
Speaker 4
From Toronto. No, you must be talking about from the border.
Once you cross the border, that ain't Toronto. You got to drive to Toronto.
Speaker 4 Hey, I don't know, but they tell us we were in Toronto, so I took their word for it.
Speaker 4 Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, Keon.
Speaker 4 I'm trying to figure out. If you flew in for a game and y'all playing the Bills, what you were doing in Toronto? What's in Toronto?
Speaker 4 Bye Band on
Speaker 4 My bad. Hey,
Speaker 4 hey, Gary, my bad, my bad.
Speaker 4
Hey, that was a long time ago. I don't remember.
I know. What's the name of the spot you went to? I don't remember.
Danny Remember.
Speaker 4 You remember?
Speaker 4 I might, I'm like, Miriam, go there. You got any kids?
Speaker 4
That was that was before you was born, Key. I can't, I can't even remember that.
Key, I ain't gonna watch you. Y'all ain't gonna hold you.
You just remember going though.
Speaker 4 You don't remember the second time? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 Everything, everything was a blur.
Speaker 4 But let me ask you this:
Speaker 4 your seminals. So,
Speaker 4 are you more Florida State or are you more Michigan State? Because
Speaker 4 your Seminos fell on hard times. This year, Keith.
Speaker 4 Man,
Speaker 4 I can't even answer that question.
Speaker 4
I mean, I spent more years in Michigan State, at Michigan State than I did, Florida State. But Florida State was a real iconic seven, eight months that I was there.
So I'm both.
Speaker 4 But Michigan State, you know, got a whole new culture style come from the West Coast. So it's a different program than when I was there.
Speaker 4
But, you know, some of my chain guys still there in the weight room and stuff like that. So I'm both sides.
I'll be watching somewhat.
Speaker 4
But, you know, most of the guys that I was like, my younger guys when I was there at different schools. So I watched different teams play.
Right. Okay.
Speaker 4 You still thinking, you still like,
Speaker 4 you supporting them.
Speaker 4 Yeah, I support players more because teams change. You know,
Speaker 4
coach all that change. That's like my favorite player was Coke.
If Coke would have ever left, forget to leave him, You know? So that's just me.
Speaker 4
I root for my young guys that was under me and that I played with. And, you know, I got a guy in Alabama that I watched Bama games.
Now, I ain't never really watched no Bama games. Right.
Speaker 4
And he got different guys in different areas. I watch their games to support them.
Right.
Speaker 4 Hey,
Speaker 4 sometimes you wear two mouthpieces, right?
Speaker 4 Yeah. I know I'm not tripping.
Speaker 4 What's that about? What does that come from? Is that from Lil League? Is that something you've always done? I remember seeing you do it at Florida State.
Speaker 4 If I'm not mistaken, I think you did it in the league too, right? I did it a few games, but man, by the time I'll be forgetting, I don't even wear a mouthies in the game, you feel right.
Speaker 4 And if I didn't put them on there before the game, then they probably won't ever be playing right, right? Right at Florida State, I used to wear the Apple Watch with the uh
Speaker 4 once, whatever Apple Watch band, they used to send me the bad colors, right?
Speaker 4
And I just to wear it, like I just to be trolling, wearing these team colors. It was like it was fine first when I did it, nah.
Everybody's just throwing like random colors, it don't hit the same.
Speaker 4 Okay, okay, okay, when it started calling the team colors, it looked looks fine.
Speaker 4 Okay, I got you, I got you. Are you are you a talker? Do you talk trash during the game? Do you like, hey, bro?
Speaker 4 Hey, hey, all you about find yourself on the waiver while tomorrow is trying to deal with me.
Speaker 4
No, I'll be chilling, bro. But if they say something to me, then it's zero telegram.
Quick, I just divide them. I come there to do my job.
I'm like,
Speaker 4
but the moment you say something, it could be something night. I don't want to hear it.
Just don't talk to me. Right, right.
Speaker 4
So you have somebody to say something, then I'm on 10. Like, all right, now it's over with.
Did you have any issues with any DBs this year that really talked trash to you?
Speaker 4 Or was everybody kind of straight? No, only, only William, William, the only person shared something.
Speaker 4 And we seen how that one ended, but
Speaker 4
that means shit. That was the only person who really told me something.
Oh, you look.
Speaker 4
Okay, okay, okay, okay. Keon, man, thanks for joining us tonight, bro.
We really appreciate it. Continued success.
Hey, build on that rookie season.
Speaker 4 You got your sophomore season, your quarterbacks back in the fold. It's time to take that next step, bro.
Speaker 4 It's time to be, hey, when we talk about these top receivers, it's time to make sure Uncle Ocho have your name in that discussion. Yes, sir.
Speaker 4 I will be trusting. All right, congratulations on your rookie.
Speaker 4
Congratulations on your rookie season. We'll see you down the road, man.
Take care. Appreciate it.
Hey, if you need a DB for some one-on-ones, let me know. I'll lock you up.
Speaker 4 Oh, my God.
Speaker 4 Bring your cleanse and bring $10,000.
Speaker 4
Wait, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Bring my clease in what? Bring 10 racks.
We ain't gonna run it for free. Oh,
Speaker 4
I'll tell you what you do. You might as well wire that 10 to me.
Because if
Speaker 4
you ain't seen my DB skills, you ain't catching nothing. And make sure y'all shall in there.
Because I don't want no excuse about I ain't having a quarterback.
Speaker 4
My sister could throw him on her beat that open. It don't matter who that is.
Get open on who?
Speaker 4 You.
Speaker 4 You, man, pull you down, bump your head. Boy, I'm a child of God.
Speaker 4 You come out here soon, right? Huh? What size you are? I wear 11.
Speaker 4
All right, I got some pleas for you. I bring you your own key.
All right.
Speaker 4
You training in Houston? I'll be everywhere, wherever you need me to be. You know what? I'll come here.
I'll come down. I don't want to end.
Speaker 4 I'm not coming down there. You got to come see me to Texas, bro.
Speaker 4 I come to Texas. Who's the quarterback? I don't want no excuse.
Speaker 4
It don't matter. All right.
Blind man, get through it. I'm dead open.
Speaker 4
Okay. Okay.
All right. Say less.
I'm going to see you in a minute. All right.
Yo. All right, bro.
And congratulations again. See you down the road, bro.
Appreciate it.
Speaker 4 Keon Coleman, Buffalo Bills, wide receiver, rookie wide receiver, going into his sophomore season. We're expecting great things from him coming the upcoming season.
Speaker 4 Oh, Joe, Miles Garrett explained his change of heart. He had a John Q moment, a change of heart, and explained why he's staying in Cleveland.
Speaker 4 I think I had some frustration, and I feel like that helped us grow it and have a conversation where difficult, but needed to be had.
Speaker 4
That created a little more discourse, helped build some relationships and reaffirmed them. Now I feel like we're in a better place.
Now
Speaker 4 we can move on and grow from there.
Speaker 4 Despite garrett's explanation the perception surrounding his decision to stay remains he was prioritizing money over winning and nfl network kyle brand said garrett should have been more straightforward about role money played instead with the browns it was about money and the money said we want to win and we want to do it now he lied ain't got no problem with that i i have no problem ocho with him getting that kind of money yeah but he know how you're going to win now you ain't got no quarterback.
Speaker 4
Hold on. You're in the same position.
The only difference that Miles Garrett is in now is that he got $123 million guaranteed, $100 million over the first three years.
Speaker 4
That is the only thing that has changed. Nothing has changed towards him winning.
Yeah. Who they gonna win with, don't you? I have a question.
Yes.
Speaker 4
You know, you understand, you know why you wanted to leave. You understand why you wanted to leave.
You understood also
Speaker 4 when you asked to talk to management,
Speaker 4
they told you, we're not talking. We don't want to talk to you and we're not trading.
No, he knows the owner didn't want to have the conversation.
Speaker 4
He said, talk to Andrew Barry, who's the general manager who's running it. He wasn't finna have no conversation either.
Cause you know what we're going to do?
Speaker 4 We know how to get you to want to be here. We're going to pay you.
Speaker 4 Yeah.
Speaker 4
We're going to pay you. He had no more guaranteed money.
All the guaranteed money that he had signed that big contract that made him the highest paid defender at one point in time was gone. Now,
Speaker 4
instead of pretending like I'm looking greedy and saying asking for a contract, you know what? I want to win. Yeah, and portray your.
I ain't got no. Oh, Joe,
Speaker 4
look, and I don't want anybody to take this the wrong way. I really don't have a problem with that.
Right.
Speaker 4 But everybody that's looking at this objectively and realistically knows that Miles Garrett is in no better situation today.
Speaker 4
The only better situation is financially. He's in no better situation.
They're not even closer to winning.
Speaker 4 Also, you got to think about it him wanting to trade and saying i don't want to be here they wasn't letting him go anywhere they weren't letting him go
Speaker 4 so i mean
Speaker 4 you you stuck between the rock and the hard place because they already said we're not trading you oh joe he knew listen even when they want to trade when players want to get traded sometimes they'll come to him and offer money hey and guess what carsa palmer cars of palmer really wanted to be out of there since they couldn't offer him enough money could they oh joe now he refused to come he remember he said no that's when you want to get up out of there right
Speaker 4 yeah miles it was always about money miles wanted more guaranteed money miles wanted to be the highest paid defender i got no problem whatsoever but i want people to objectively say you tell me that miles garrett is in a better situation and is in a situation that's more conducive to winning today right than he was a month ago.
Speaker 4 Right.
Speaker 4
No, I mean, we all understand that. We all understand that.
But also,
Speaker 4 get your money but also get your money also management management doesn't want to lose that centerpiece of that defense management doesn't want to lose the identity to that defense you know that defense we it was good it was good i'm not sure what the numbers were last night but if you if you look at them across the board they are good denzel award Miles Garrett, along with the rest of the support.
Speaker 4
They can be as good as they want to. If your offense ain't no good, you ain't going nowhere.
Yeah. What are they going to do with the quarterback position? We will find out.
Speaker 4
Listen, we'll find out in April. We're going to find out.
We're going to find out in April.
Speaker 4 You bring somebody young, you get a veteran presence in there to probably start this year, to at least give you a chance, maybe Kirk Cousins. I'm not sure what's going to happen.
Speaker 4 You know, so I'm, I'm, listen, I'm just excited for every goddamn body. People getting their money.
Speaker 4 I just.
Speaker 4
I ain't got no problem with that buddy. Yeah, I don't.
I don't.
Speaker 4 But my thing is, now, unless you get one of these rookies and he's like Jaden Daniels, you really not going.
Speaker 4 Now, look, it was reported that russell wilson was scheduled a visit i i i saw it last week so i don't know if that's happened thursday right he was going last week giants first or was last week i think i think so uh chat y'all can correct ojo and i if we're wrong but i think i read it last week that he was supposed to have a visit to cleveland and the giants and i don't know which day each visit was scheduled but that's what i that's what that's what i read right now situation it's also being reported i don't know if there's any truth to this that in the process of getting his money he wanted him to work something out with Nick Chubb.
Speaker 4 Right. I don't know.
Speaker 4
You know, you read, I read. I don't know what's true.
All I'm just saying, what I read.
Speaker 4 And I hate that I brought that up because
Speaker 4
that was in the paper, and we don't really know if that's true. And if it is, that was a very noble and honorable thing to do.
Yes. One of the guys that's been there as long as you had.
Speaker 4 I think he came.
Speaker 4 I think he came a year before.
Speaker 4 No, he came a year after because I think he came with Baker.
Speaker 4 I think Chubb was the second round pick with baker mayfield if i'm i'm almost i'm almost sure of that but he's been one of the leaders in the locker room
Speaker 4 he's been one of the leaders in the locker room and uh
Speaker 4 and uh uh uh and miles felt that he would he wanted if they're gonna win i want i want i want chubb to be a part of it yeah i i
Speaker 4 like it i like it uh chubb Coming off of his second year after ACL Tier, I'm sure he's going to have a better season this year.
Speaker 4 If we can get Chubb back to the Chubb we're used to seeing regards to who's at the quarterback position, I think that makes things a little easier for them in that area simply because it's, to me, it's almost a comparison.
Speaker 4 I'm not saying Derrick Henry, but he ain't too goddamn far off.
Speaker 4 If you watch Nick Chug play over the years,
Speaker 4 he ain't that far off.
Speaker 4
You know what, Ocho? I just don't know. I mean, that was a serious injury that he's coming back from.
Yeah, man. And he had a lot of time.
Speaker 4 Second time yeah in college yeah so
Speaker 4 uh the the determination uh i just hope he can get some resemblance of being the the back that he once was yes yes
Speaker 4 uh most times we don't see power backs we don't see power backs it's been very few power back have the longevity yeah adrian peterson a derrick henry we're talking about Not contact, collision backs.
Speaker 4 Run to collision. They'll run you over.
Speaker 4 I mean, they're not really trying to run nobody, they're trying to, they're trying to punish you and make you turn it down because that tackle that you make in the first and second quarter, you're going to be a little bit more apprehensive in the third and the fourth quarter.
Speaker 4 And if you notice, as the game progresses, those guys get stronger, yeah,
Speaker 4
yeah, bro. You ain't got to run on me but one time with a bus.
I'm going to dodge that bus the next time I see that mofo coming every time, every time.
Speaker 4
I've never seen, I've never seen a running back. There have been many of them.
I've never seen a running back run as violently
Speaker 4 as violently as all day adrian peterson
Speaker 4 i ain't never seen adrian peterson marion barber didn't have the same type of success or acceleration or or i'm trying to have the longevity the longevity but something about adrian peterson he played what did they do wrong to you for you to run the ball like that
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Speaker 4 beast load ran like that oh
Speaker 4 played bleach bow had a long beast bone had a long career yeah he had it let me go back and look at the guy that i that comes to the top of my head i don't know if how many people in the chat old enough to remember was earl campbell earl was like that But Earl only lasted like seven, eight years.
Speaker 4
And I don't know if y'all have seen Earl. Earl has been in the wheelchair for the last 20, 25 years.
For real?
Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 So now Earl, Earl has done great off the field.
Speaker 4
He got a meat packing, hot links, and stuff like that. Silas got him in state, stuff like that.
So he's done really well. But Earl ran to contact.
Speaker 4 He was a collision back, not a contact, because contact and collision are two different things.
Speaker 4 And normally those guys that run to have collisions, they don't have a longevity. Adrian Peterson played, what, 12, 13 years?
Speaker 4
You see Dee Henry play the number of years he's playing. The guy, I mean, he went for 2,000.
He was on a pace to have another 2,000 yards. He got hurt at rushing for about 1,100
Speaker 4
with eight games to go. Oh, yeah.
He was definitely going to be. So he was on pace to get another.
Speaker 4
He had a knee injury. Bounces back from that.
Go get 1,500. Comes to the Ravens.
Goes and get 1,900.
Speaker 4 That's...
Speaker 4 Crazy.
Speaker 4 I've never seen anything like Derrick Henry. I can honestly say, I've never seen anything like Derrick Henry.
Speaker 4 A guy runs like that that goes over 2,000, that goes over 2,000 and then comes within 80 yards from having 2,000 again. Right.
Speaker 4 That's crazy.
Speaker 4
It absolutely is. But hopefully Chubb can get some of what he lost, Ocho, from that injury, because you know, every time, Ocho, them injuries, they take a little bit out of you every time.
It does.
Speaker 4 Take a little bit out of you every time. Yeah.
Speaker 4 Yeah, but it does. But listen,
Speaker 4 even even even as a bangle fan i would love i would love the the the the browns at full strength and whatever decisions they do make whether it be in offseason acquisitions whether it be through the draft i would love them at full strength when they do play my bangles so there are no excuses about oh we didn't have a quarterback or our running back was hurt or i want to make sure miles garrett is there when we put up 50 points I want them at full strength.
Speaker 4
I'm sure we have people in the chat that are Browns fans. I love you.
I love you dearly. I love you dearly.
But come this season,
Speaker 4
we know who's running the AFC North. I know we have Ravens fans.
Who?
Speaker 4 Ravens.
Speaker 4 I know we have Ravens fans in the chat, and you know how I feel about you. And I tell you this: I've been telling you this since 2001.
Speaker 4
I love every last one of you, huh? Every last one of you. Oh, Joe, y'all ain't won but a handful of games.
Damn.
Speaker 4 Let me finish my speech.
Speaker 4 We know this year, 2025,
Speaker 4 the afc north
Speaker 4 is coming through the 513 now i i'm i if you need me to come sit with y'all at mnt bank what's it called mnt bank yeah yeah i what what's what what's the uh uh area code of raven a 443
Speaker 4
i don't know anybody from b mo in the chat what is it 443 i know we got ravens i know we got we got ravens fans in this chat definitely Definitely. I love every last one.
But y'all don't run.
Speaker 4
Man, look, first of all, we already know Cincinnati don't run nothing, but they rock mouth. Hold on.
Y'all don't run nothing. Ain't nothing coming through.
No Cincinnati. Stop it.
Speaker 4 One thing, one thing that you can learn about my organization
Speaker 4
that you can see that we prove we made, we've done something historical that we've never done before that was out of character. 14.
You're right. 14.
Speaker 4 14.
Speaker 4 What's that?
Speaker 4
Baldimore. Okay.
Okay. Okay.
Okay. Okay.
Speaker 4
Oh, it is 443. I remember.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 I used to have a,
Speaker 4 I ain't never had no Ravens.
Speaker 4 I think I had a landline. I did have a landline.
Speaker 4
That was 20 years. Man, hold on, first of all, Ocho.
You may see I had a landline yesterday.
Speaker 4 I was 20 years ago without the Baltimore. But the way you said it, like it was yesterday.
Speaker 4 So
Speaker 4 you don't have a landline in your house right now? No.
Speaker 4 Why not?
Speaker 4
Who gonna call me on the landline? People call you on your cell phone. Oh, yeah, I was just asking.
I was just asking, when the last time you seen the payphone,
Speaker 4 everything with a
Speaker 4 y'all been with it right here. Hey, hey, I can't see it.
Speaker 4 That's a no-kill.
Speaker 4 That's a no-kill.
Speaker 4 That no kidders be know.
Speaker 4 Oh, who?
Speaker 4 Hello?
Speaker 4 Yeah.
Speaker 4
Baby. Yeah, yeah.
yeah. It's about
Speaker 4 Carmen.
Speaker 4
Tall, big booty. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, yeah.
Speaker 4
I saw, I saw her mother, she got like two kids down back. Yeah, she still look good.
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 4 Hey, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 4
Let me call you back. This is my brother call.
Let me call you back.
Speaker 4 Hey, Joe, let me get that right there. Hey, that's a that just had conversation be going too, huh? Yeah.
Speaker 4 oh, Joe,
Speaker 4 look what I look at, look at it right here, look at it right here.
Speaker 4 Who that again,
Speaker 4 that's us,
Speaker 4 who that again is all joke. That's us,
Speaker 4 yeah, that y'all, and guess what? In the air zone, I win.
Speaker 4
What number is that? Uh, that Bengal jersey. I don't know what we call it, reruns.
You remember how rerun was chasing that truck over what's happening? Right, that's him,
Speaker 4 that's him.
Speaker 4 That's my rookie year, ain't it?
Speaker 4 I don't think you was there yet, Ocho. Okay.
Speaker 4
October 7th, 2001. That is you.
That's your rookie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was there.
Speaker 4
I'm trying. I wonder what Darnellian P.
Dubb did that game. Nothing.
Nothing. Not a damn thing.
Speaker 4 I don't know about that.
Speaker 4 I don't know about that.
Speaker 4 I know. I don't know about that.
Speaker 4 Who won the game?
Speaker 4 I lost one game in 14 years to the Bengals.
Speaker 4 Did I score?
Speaker 4 I don't think so. Y'all beat, y'all beat.
Speaker 4
When we came to y'all, y'all beat us. I think y'all beat us by like three points.
Yeah, that would be. That would be.
That would be.
Speaker 4
Nah, that wasn't you. That wasn't you.
No. But
Speaker 4
no, I look. I don't want people to think I got a problem.
I don't got no problem with Miles Garrett. I just think the thing was that was his play all along.
He played it perfectly. Yeah.
He played it.
Speaker 4 He played it perfectly.
Speaker 4 Right. He did.
Speaker 4 Look at it right here, Ocho.
Speaker 4 What's that?
Speaker 4 I know that's not a camcorder. Hey,
Speaker 4 you better know it. Hey, hey, you know, as soon as I seen the bag, I knew what it was, huh? Hey, I know you got, you can, you that, you went to freak me.
Speaker 4 Hey,
Speaker 4 hey,
Speaker 4 be like Spike Lee, do the right thing.
Speaker 4 So you was there?
Speaker 4 You was there?
Speaker 4 Was I? I want to see the footage. No, you can't see this, Ojo.
Speaker 4 No,
Speaker 4 all things will stop. Everything.
Speaker 4 Hey,
Speaker 4 boy, I could imagine, boy.
Speaker 4 This going right back to the vault.
Speaker 4 I could imagine.
Speaker 4 You still got a VCR?
Speaker 4 No.
Speaker 4 I bet you ain't got no CD player.
Speaker 4
Nah, but I got a bunch of cell phones upstairs. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
A bunch of them. I'm talking about, I got to keep all my cell phones.
Speaker 4
I bet you ain't got no sidekick. No, I wasn't in the sidekicks, Ocho.
I ain't going to lie to you. You had a beeper, a pager? Nope.
I bet you ain't got the Motorola block phone.
Speaker 4 I do got, it's in Glenville. I got the big one and the little
Speaker 4
one. Okay, okay.
I got the Star Tech. I got a bunch of phones upstairs.
Okay, okay, okay. Hold on just a second.
Keep on talking. Let me go stand right quick.
Hold on. All right, chat.
Speaker 4 Listen, Chad, while he goes upstairs and then
Speaker 4
rummages through all the stuff from the 80s. And I want to talk about my bangles.
I want to talk about my bangles, and I want to tell y'all what's going to happen this year.
Speaker 4 Now, I've always been right when it comes to predicting stuff, and I'm really wrong. I'm really wrong.
Speaker 4
Now, I think about last year, I was wrong twice in the 17, 18 game season, including the playoffs. I guess the playoffs all the way right.
I said the Eagles are probably going to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4
Again, they were going to play the Chiefs. Boom.
I was right. So this year, the AFC North is going to go through Cincinnati.
It's going to go through Cincinnati.
Speaker 4 So what's going to happen, the way it's going to play out is we're probably going to score 40 to 50 points a game.
Speaker 4 40 to 50 points a game, and our defense is going to be adequate and just good enough to stop teams, maybe allow maybe 17 to 20 points a game. That's how it's going to go.
Speaker 4 I'm not telling you what I heard. I'm telling you what I know because it's the way the game goes and just the way the way things are flowing in general.
Speaker 4 For us as an organization, to do something that's never been done before, that's out of character for us
Speaker 4 as a team and organization,
Speaker 4
it's going to reward ourselves. The football gods are going to reward us simply because we did something that we've never done before and we made history.
Okay?
Speaker 4 I think,
Speaker 4
I think, now I don't have the numbers in front of me. It's possible that we can sign Trey Hendrickson.
I think it's possible. And so we're going to do that.
Now, that's one staple, you know.
Speaker 4 That's one staple that we can have that's part of the ecosystem defensively. If we can get that back,
Speaker 4 you know, I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 Secondary, we got some good dudes out there on the corner. Safety, I'm not sure what's going on with Vaughn and some of the safeties or whatnot.
Speaker 4 But outside of that, if you're a gambler man, if there are any gambler women in the chat, I'm telling you now, put your money, put your money on the Bengals. All right.
Speaker 4 We're going to be in San Francisco, and I'm going to meet y'all there sometime in February. And that's it.
Speaker 4 Outside of that, I hope y'all had a good Monday. I had a great Monday.
Speaker 4 You see my jacket.
Speaker 4 This is Leopard or Cheetah. I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 It all look the same.
Speaker 4
Hello. I love y'all.
I don't know what else to say right now. Oh, Joe, this is on Wi.
You remember this one? That's a razor. That's a razor.
Speaker 4
Star Tech. Star Tech, right? See, I knew it.
It's either Razor or Star Tech. One or the other.
Speaker 4
The antenna come up, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember them. I remember them.
I remember that. I remember that.
Speaker 4 We are beeper at.
Speaker 4 I ain't have no beeper.
Speaker 4 Oh, yeah.
Speaker 4 I still got. But I got to get
Speaker 4
that. I have them, Ocho, because I know Shelly put them somewhere.
But I got about, I think, Ocho,
Speaker 4 thing without.
Speaker 4
Shelly put them somewhere, but I got like 17. I got the original iPod.
You remember the iPod that holds 10,000 songs? Oh, the big, the big, thick one. Yes,
Speaker 4
I got it. Listen, I got all my HBCU band music on that old iPod.
I told you it was thick, too, boy. Yeah, I got it.
Speaker 4 Hey, I keep everything.
Speaker 4 Old MacBook.
Speaker 4 Hey, what you be doing with all that, man? I don't let nothing go.
Speaker 4
Hey, you see the big computer behind me on Joe? I got the big desktop, too. Hey, listen, you can have a yard sale and make a grip, boy.
Oh, no.
Speaker 4 They ain't gonna sell it. No.
Speaker 4 So you don't want nobody to get no information off here. Oh, no.
Speaker 4 Uh-uh.
Speaker 4 Oh, no.
Speaker 4 What you got on there? You acting like Double O Satin.
Speaker 4
I don't know. I don't know what's on there.
Okay, okay. But I tell you what, ain't nobody else gonna find out what's on there.
I got you, I got you. You, you don't, you don't want to slip up, huh?
Speaker 4
No, I want it. Hey, I want everything I told you, Ocho.
Yeah,
Speaker 4 I would need a crane in my casket to carry my casket. Six, can't you do it?
Speaker 4 Two minute skeletons,
Speaker 4
two minute secrets, oh Joe. Two minute secrets.
I got you. I got you.
I got you.
Speaker 4 Uh,
Speaker 4 uh, oh, DJ Hoosh Bazada, Ocho, you had three catches for 28 yards. yards.
Speaker 4 Wait,
Speaker 4 I only had three for 28? Yep.
Speaker 4
Damn, I'm sorry as hell. I had more than you.
I had three for 32. Oh, I thought I caught a touchdown that game.
Nah, you ain't catching on.
Speaker 4 And you got touchdowns. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 You got tackled on that play.
Speaker 4 That might have been,
Speaker 4 that was my, that was my,
Speaker 4
that was my first first year in Baltimore. I caught a touchdown.
Look at 2000 ash. I thought I caught a touchdown with them.
Speaker 4
Uh, Travis Taylor had four for 66. I had three for 32.
Uh, Cadre had three for 31. Brandon Stokely had one for 23.
Todd Heap had one for 18.
Speaker 4 Mo Williams had two for five. Yeah.
Speaker 4 Ocho average 10 yards a catch. Yeah.
Speaker 4 9.3.
Speaker 4 That had 153 yards. What, offense? Yeah, passing.
Speaker 4
Oh, that's bad. Yep.
TJ Led y'all with 63. You was next with 28.
That's me. That's me.
That's me. I was just going to say, I was getting a little bit of a double.
Darnis got one for 20.
Speaker 4
Danny Farmer had two for 16. Corey had two for 12.
Peter Wark had one for seven. Ron Duggins had one for four.
And Lorenzo Neal had one for three. Hey, Zoe.
Speaker 4 Oh, no.
Speaker 4 I saw, as a matter of fact, I just saw him at the
Speaker 4
Super Bowl, OJo. Joe? Yeah.
Yeah, that's my guy, man.
Speaker 4
Lorenzo a funny boy. Oh, yeah, hey.
Yeah, in 2000, I scored. Had five for 40 in the tub.
Speaker 4 It wasn't me.
Speaker 4 When long have we won the game, though? Y'all didn't win no. Y'all.
Speaker 4 Hold on.
Speaker 4 Pull up,
Speaker 4
Ash. Pull up at his totals.
I guarantee you he won that game.
Speaker 4
Pull up that total. I don't think y'all, y'all might have not scored.
Don't do that.
Speaker 4 I definitely,
Speaker 4 boy, they knock.
Speaker 4
Go back and look at that film and watch Rob Burnett. If y'all see the highlights, go back and look at that here.
In 2000, Rob Burnett put on Achille Smith.
Speaker 4 He might have not played no more that year.
Speaker 4
He must have caught him from the blast side, huh? Boy, A, caught him. A, he was looking just like this.
No, he was like this. And Rob Burnett, he'll put his helmet right up on his chin.
Ah.
Speaker 4
Boy was a score hashing that game. A whole lot to a few, I know.
Nah, that was it, huh?
Speaker 4 37-zip.
Speaker 4 Wait, what? Zip zero?
Speaker 4 The first two games of the season, old choke, the Steelers blanked them, Cincinnati blanked them.
Speaker 4 No,
Speaker 4 we beat, no, the second game of the season, we ended up beating
Speaker 4
Jacksonville. We came back and beat Jacksonville.
That was the game Jimmy Smith had 15 for 291.
Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 4 The volume.
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