Christina Applegate and Jamie-Lynn Sigler

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Speaker 2 Hi, I'm Jamie Lynn Sigler, and I feel giddy about being Conan O'Brien's friend.

Speaker 1 I like that. That's very nice.
Some people can get very mean, and I know that you're not going to do that, Christina. I know you're not.

Speaker 1 Damn it.

Speaker 3 I was going to say I feel really stupid being Conan O'Brien's friend.

Speaker 1 I won't.

Speaker 3 I will change mine

Speaker 3 in like the nicer part of me.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 3 Hi, I'm Christine Applegate, and I feel awesome to be Conan O'Brien's friend.

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Speaker 1 Yes, I can tell that we are gonna be friends.

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Sona laughing really hard. Oh, God.

Speaker 1 Matt Gorley joining us as well. And we might as well just talk about this because I just said it.
Sona, should you recount what happened?

Speaker 4 Oh, my, I don't even know if I can

Speaker 4 give it justice because I was talking about something.

Speaker 1 You were talking about something, and you were talking, we were talking about Ray Fiennes and how much we love Ray Fienes and how good he is.

Speaker 1 And then you were going on for a a while about how great ray fines is and i said well i'm not i'm not talking right now so this is boring yeah

Speaker 1 meaning there's words are happening but they're not coming from me so this is boring let's get started yeah and

Speaker 1 and you were laughing really hard because it might be the truest thing i've ever said

Speaker 4 You're just like, well, I'm not talking, so I've, you know, like completely checked out because it's not coming out of your mind.

Speaker 1 It wasn't. You know what happened? There was this moment where I noticed that the words weren't coming out of my skull.
So what good could they be?

Speaker 1 Right? I mean, what could their value possibly be?

Speaker 4 Right?

Speaker 4 I mean, it's unheard of that anything I would say would have anything.

Speaker 1 Again, it's happening. Yeah.
I'm like, what is this? I'm hearing like, wah, wah, wah, wah. It's like Charlie Brown characters hearing their parents.

Speaker 4 You don't even have hear words coming out of my mouth like when I'm talking.

Speaker 1 I'm just counting down. It's like, when do I get to go?

Speaker 1 Oh my God.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. I'm just not even going to speak.
You should. Did you? I just heard croaking over there.
Sounds like there's a toad. I will say this, just a teaser for the segment in this episode.

Speaker 1 We have some Ray Fiennes-related content to cover. Oh, good.
We'll get to this later. Oh, good.

Speaker 1 And that was, I didn't know.

Speaker 1 That's just a coincidence. Yeah.
Let's get some Ray Fiennes content. Yeah, you were talking about how he still got it and he can.

Speaker 4 He's still got it. I said he's still got it and

Speaker 4 he can get it.

Speaker 1 He can get get it. I don't know.
Is that a saying?

Speaker 1 He can get it. He can get it.
Yeah. And he can get this.
He can get this. They're married.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I know. I'm not going to fuck Ray Fiennes.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's not going to happen.

Speaker 4 I shouldn't have said it. So I'm not going to make love to him.

Speaker 1 Which would it be? Make love to him.

Speaker 1 If you said he's still got it and he can get it, then you're not talking about making love.

Speaker 1 Oh, Wraith.

Speaker 1 Prithe come to yon window

Speaker 1 and let us embrace. Do be gentle.
Do be gentle, Randy. He would be.

Speaker 4 If there was any chance of him coming on, I think I just killed it, right?

Speaker 1 Maybe if anything, maybe the odds are better. Yeah.
You just said he's got it and he can get it.

Speaker 1 You just rang the dinner bell. Yeah.
Ring-a-ding, bing.

Speaker 1 For what it's worth. Same here, buddy.

Speaker 1 That killed it. That killed it.
No, no, that killed it. You don't know.
Yeah, you'd be gentle. I would be gentle.

Speaker 1 He's a terrific actor. He's great in everything he's ever done.

Speaker 1 And I was just remarking that it's hilarious that he always, I mean, it's not hilarious, but when I hosted the Oscars recently, he was in the audience and it was like his, you know, fifth time being nominated.

Speaker 1 And he, he's clearly the best actor in the room. Yeah.
He's an amazing actor and they he'll probably never get an Academy Award. I shouldn't say that.
I hope he does. But I hope he does.

Speaker 1 It's just these amazing actors come over from

Speaker 1 the UK and they're insanely incredible.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 you know, they don't win. And

Speaker 1 they're all like, well, you know, still I enjoyed my visit, ta-ta. And

Speaker 1 is Sona around? Yeah. Is Sona round? I'm told she thinks I have it and I could still get it.

Speaker 4 I think it's because they're not,

Speaker 4 you know, they don't do enough like, he needs to like hook up with like, you know, Selena Gomez.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah. Like something needs to happen.

Speaker 1 Selena Gomez is with Benny Blanco. I know.
I can't believe it. I'm sorry.
I'm bringing this back again. You really are.
But I I just realized.

Speaker 4 I'm talking about Benny Blanco, any chance you can get.

Speaker 1 The other day I was driving around, and we brought this up on the podcast, but I just want to repeat it. The most modern sentence that I can think of to say is, Benny Blanco's just slid into my DMs.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Because I don't know what that means.
Any of it. Any of it.
I don't know what any of it is, but I've memorized it in case I'm ever at a party. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 And someone's questioning, Hey, man, you seem kind of old. Maybe you should move on.
I'm going to say, yeah, well, Benny Blanco just slid into my DMs. And then that person says, really?

Speaker 1 I'm Benny Blanco. Yeah.
And I'll say, well, I'm here in person. And if you've got something to say to me, say it face to face.
Let's say it face to face, Benny B.

Speaker 1 If that's even your real name.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 What? Say it.

Speaker 4 I love that you're

Speaker 4 talking about Benny Blanco sliding into your DMs while you're talking to Benny Blanco. That just made me laugh.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And also, I love it.
That's really made me laugh. I love its proof at my age that I'm still, that I'm young.
Yeah. Yeah.
So I'll be around.

Speaker 1 You still got, is your Haley Bieber smoothie over there? Yeah. It's not.
I threw it out. I was done with it.

Speaker 1 I love that I'm trying to, I love anything where someone's like, hey, man, you shouldn't be hanging out at this party. You're too old.

Speaker 1 And that I think that me shouting at that moment, Benny Branco, just straight into my DMs,

Speaker 1 everyone would be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He's young.
Oh, yeah. That's cool.

Speaker 1 He's cool. Let's disregard his rotting face.

Speaker 1 Someone would be rude enough to just be like hey old guy why are you at this party you know let's try this out okay go ahead all right hey what's up granddad how'd you get in here what do you mean how did i get in here um i'm a youngster benny blanco just slid into my dm youngster what what are you talking about do you even know what a dm is uh it's the demilitarized zone that separates south korea from north korea it was established this guy's cool he could say it was established uh by the united nations at the end of the korean conflict all right yeah yeah yeah Yeah, I've actually been there.

Speaker 1 I visited the demilitarized zone. And Benny Blanco is one of the great architects of the late 19th century.
Hey, guys, gather around. I'm hearing some crazy whack history stories.

Speaker 1 This guy's off the hook. Yeah.

Speaker 4 All the women are undressing.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah.
That's right. I have the Riz.

Speaker 1 Oh, see, you really got it. Okay, I'm going to write the party.

Speaker 4 You just shouldn't go to those parties. Just don't, if someone invites you, just don't go.
You're being.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't be at those parties. They would find me peering in a window and they would call the police.
I mean,

Speaker 1 who knows?

Speaker 4 You could be. You could go to a party where Benny Blanco and Selena are.

Speaker 1 I would know Celina. I would not know Benny Blanco.
Yeah. And I have nothing against Benny Blanco.
He's, you know, I think Selena Gomez is cool. I love her.

Speaker 1 And I'm all for this Benny Blanco gentleman. I just came up with that sentence when I was driving my car.

Speaker 1 Benny Blanco just slid into my DMs and I said, that's going to get me out of a sticky situation someday or get me into one. I don't know.
All right, let's get into it. Enough of my bibble and babble.

Speaker 1 I think it's been enough. Tom Foolery and Skull Duggery and Tom Thuggery, my guests today, and that's plural guests.

Speaker 1 Today hosts the podcast Messi, which releases new episodes every Tuesday, wherever you get your podcasts. I'm very excited they're here today.

Speaker 1 Christina Applegate and Jamie Lynn Sigler. Welcome.

Speaker 1 Conebone. Conebone.
Conebone. I was stuck.
No, it did. My wife calls me Conebone.

Speaker 3 Well, because Tom Hanks came around and did cool, coo.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 And then that became your thing. I was trying to make conebone happen.

Speaker 1 I'm kind of glad Coco won, frankly. Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm really. It's never too late.
It's

Speaker 1 going to happen. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I was going to start by, first of all, thanking both of you for being here. And I have very distinct memories of both of you.

Speaker 1 I'm at that age now where I get very sentimental and I look back over, I don't know, just things that I've done in the past, people I've met. Christina, I remember very clearly you being

Speaker 1 such a wonderful friend to me on the show. You came on the show so many times and you were always so funny and great and miraculous.
And

Speaker 1 I think you might hold some record for coming on the show.

Speaker 1 I think I might. You might.
You might.

Speaker 3 It was like my favorite thing Anytime I got a call saying, hey, you know, even like you sometimes would have like a guest like fall out or something, they'd be like, Will you come in?

Speaker 3 I'm like, absolutely. I would love nothing more.
I really, like, you were my favorite interviewer ever. You know, it had so much fun there.

Speaker 1 That's sweet of you. And it helped that you lived in an apartment right above our studio in Rochelle Center.

Speaker 1 She lived in a bathroom. It was called an apartment.

Speaker 3 I was outside.

Speaker 1 It was a bathroom.

Speaker 1 Actually, it was a cleaning closet.

Speaker 1 It was a cleaning closet. There was a cot.
And people were like, Conan. I can't believe Christina Applegate lives

Speaker 1 in this shitty cottage. And you guys charge me rent.
Yeah. No,

Speaker 1 it wasn't a lot of rent.

Speaker 1 But I just, I wanted to start by thanking you

Speaker 1 from the bottom of my heart for just always being

Speaker 1 just this light, always such a great guest, always so fantastic. And I have such a very clear memory, Jamie Lynn.
I remembered when The Sopranos first came out and had been on for one season.

Speaker 1 It was the new thing. Everyone was talking about it.
And it's nominated for all these Emmys.

Speaker 1 We were nominated too. We're in New York.

Speaker 1 I go, I get on my American Airlines flight and I sit in this American Airlines flight. And then the person sits down next to me and it's James Gandalfini, who I'd never met.

Speaker 1 And we talked the whole way. And he was just talking about like, yeah, I don't know what this is.

Speaker 1 He had such a like, what is this? We're going to an award show. And I went, yeah, you're on the biggest show on television, Jim, and you're the star of it.
Anyway, he talked about act.

Speaker 1 We just had a lovely time. Yeah.
Oh, that's so cool. And my memory is they put me up at this hotel.
I think it was the Four Seasons Hotel.

Speaker 1 And I walk out at one point and you're standing there with your co-star, Robert Eiler, and you're just like both standing there. And you're, you're kids.
I mean, how old would you have been? 17. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're just, you're kids. And you,

Speaker 1 you were standing there right outside where the cars pick people up and you just both both looked like you had been beamed to Mars, like you're here at the Emmys.

Speaker 1 And I chatted with you guys for a second and remembered having this weird look at, oh, you're, this crazy ride is just starting for you. And I'm getting a sneak peek.

Speaker 1 And I remembered you just seeming like, I think she's going to be good. She seems like such a grounded, nice kid.
I think you're going to be able to. That's so nice to say.

Speaker 2 Well, I can tell you, like, meeting you was like that.

Speaker 2 I probably looked like I had just been beamed to Mars because that's how we felt seeing you That's how we always felt like seeing people that we admired and like Christina and actually and I have talked about that you are our favorite show to do because you just

Speaker 2 you set us up

Speaker 3 when we're talking to you but we're talking to Jimmy Kimmel.

Speaker 1 That's a whole different conversation. Yeah, we've been lying to Jimmy.

Speaker 2 But I have a distinct memory because my brothers and I bonded over your show.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 Like the bits in your show, we would talk about it all the time. And the first time I did your show, I was able to get my brother, my oldest brother, Adam, in the front row there.

Speaker 2 And that was like, you know, it's one of those like, I made it moments that you're able to share with the people that were there with you. So that was one of those for me.

Speaker 1 It's so funny. I have, I don't know if it's the Irish in me or whatever, but I get very nostalgic for all of us floating along on this journey.
And then I see these people along the way.

Speaker 1 And so to get to check in with both of you

Speaker 1 is very nice. I mean, yes, this is a podcast and we're doing this and there's going to be an ad or something, but I don't fucking care about that.
I feel like I'm talking to you guys. I'm checking in.

Speaker 1 Both of you have been through so much and you're doing a beautiful thing, which is you're sharing it. You're talking about it very frankly.
You have your own podcast, Messi, and it's all about MS.

Speaker 1 which you're both dealing with and everything that happens.

Speaker 1 And I know that it's, you're helping a lot of people, but the strange thing I've found about doing a podcast, and I'm not struggling, I'm struggling with just inherent craziness, but not MS.

Speaker 1 But what I have found is that it's healing for me to talk to people. And

Speaker 1 I'm, it's, I imagine there's a component of doing this podcast where both of you are maybe doing some healing for yourselves about having this problem, that you're being able to talk about it openly in this forum is probably helpful to you.

Speaker 3 Well, absolutely, 100%.

Speaker 3 I mean, that's how this all came about was when I came out with my diagnosis in 2021, our friend Lance said, you got to talk to Jamie because I'm sure you feel like you're on an island and you don't understand what's happening and that's the person to talk to.

Speaker 3 And I had met Jamie a few times over the years and it was like we got on the phone and we were on the phone for hours and I felt like so less alone.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Sorry,

Speaker 3 I get teary when I talk about my James, but

Speaker 3 it healed me in that moment.

Speaker 3 And that's how this happened was it was like, we're talking about so much information and so much stuff that so many people newly diagnosed or even people who have been diagnosed for years might not know about or want to say the things that we say, like the brutal honesty about how painful it can be, how lonely it can feel, how awful it is.

Speaker 3 And then, you know, that's only coming from my mouth because I'm negative Nellie. And then Jamie will be like, but let's breathe, you know, and I love you, Jamie.

Speaker 1 No, she's, she's,

Speaker 1 she gets pissed off about it too. Here's the interesting thing is it's, it's, it's not that one way to go is wrong and one is right.
They're both.

Speaker 3 No, no, no. That's, I was totally kidding.
You know, by the way, it's like we, we have helped each other in the sense that

Speaker 3 I get to see some a different side to all of this because of her. Yep.
And she gets to be honest about how she feels sometimes about in ways that you didn't, right? I don't want to speak for you. Yes.

Speaker 3 But I,

Speaker 1 because I was noticing that, Jamie Lynn, you got diagnosed much earlier than even

Speaker 1 I knew. I was familiar with your diagnosis, but then I was shocked to find out that you got your diagnosis when you were on the Sopranos.
You were also working on Broadway at the time.

Speaker 1 And I just assumed that this came, you know, 10 years later because you didn't talk about it. You were afraid to talk about it because

Speaker 1 you thought you could get fired. Is that right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think there was a lot of reasons. I think the initial, you know, drive to keep her a secret and protect me was the fear of being fired, the fear of not being hireable, not, you know,

Speaker 2 the fear of what people would think about this and me with this.

Speaker 2 I also think it allowed me to live in a state of denial for some time

Speaker 2 because if I didn't talk about it with anybody, then maybe it wasn't real.

Speaker 2 But then, you know, over the years, as the disease started to manifest into what it would be for me physically, and I started to have to make up excuses and lies, it, it was really difficult.

Speaker 2 And as much as I could like regret that choice, I think it's really

Speaker 2 informed a lot about me and my life. And,

Speaker 2 you know, now what's so beautiful, like with Messi and having Christina and what I've learned about myself through this process is, you know, when you find community and when you, when you talk to somebody else, you can almost witness yourself a little bit.

Speaker 2 And you can kind of take a step back and really acknowledge what you're going through and acknowledge that it's hard and that it's, that it sucks and that it can be unfair and all those things, but also really see the catalyst.

Speaker 2 of it being the catalyst for a lot of growth and self-reflection. And, you know, I've lived with the disease for almost 24 years now.
I was diagnosed when I was 20. And so I'm,

Speaker 2 I'm, I'm finding my way through and finding sort of the, the,

Speaker 2 the purpose from this pain. And I feel like, you know, that's all you can do with situations like this.
And Messi is really what's propelled me into that way of thinking now.

Speaker 1 I think there's an interesting thing that we live in this, as you know, this weird culture with probably misaligned priorities where,

Speaker 1 people, if you're a quote, celebrity, people

Speaker 1 expect that you shouldn't have anything to complain about. And

Speaker 1 you're allowed to have problems, but sometimes I think you're expected to have problems that are self-destructive problems, like addiction or

Speaker 1 you blew all your money,

Speaker 1 you did stupid things. But I think there's almost like a sense that, well, wait a minute,

Speaker 1 you can get sick, You can get this disease, but you were on television.

Speaker 1 I know that sounds like I'm saying something that would be painfully, obviously true, but I think there is a little bit of a hiccup where you're both beautiful, talented,

Speaker 1 you know, actresses that people know from iconic work.

Speaker 1 You have a, you got it, you got sick? What do you mean you got sick? What did you do? No, I didn't do anything. I just, it just happened and it happens to a lot of people.

Speaker 1 Does that feel that there's a weird way in which it's not fitting the narrative of being a successful

Speaker 1 celebrity?

Speaker 3 Well, I think one of the things that I've come across, you know, I mean, and I don't really leave the house anymore.

Speaker 3 And I mean, if people saw what my life was like on the daily, they wouldn't, they wouldn't be able to do it because I can sometimes not do it. It's really, really hard.

Speaker 3 But I think that the first thing that I hear from people is, how did you get it? Yeah. Meaning, I must have done something wrong

Speaker 3 in in my life to have this disease. I did it to myself.
It's like I had breast cancer as well. So, oh, you must have done something.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 You know, and it's, and that's, that stigma is, um, you know, I'm used to it now, but it was for a while, like it was so hard to swallow because

Speaker 3 why the F would you think that I would do something to have this? Yes. Because this is the worst thing I've ever had in my life.
It's the worst thing I've ever gone through.

Speaker 3 So do you know what's your cry? Do you know

Speaker 1 what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 And and then I'm going to start crying.

Speaker 3 I'm just having a pissy day today. I'm having a bad MSE day.

Speaker 1 Oh, I'm sorry. Well, no, but cry, and then I'm going to cry, and I'm going to make my assistant David cry, and you'll cry.
Yeah, he make him cry all the time because

Speaker 1 every hour. I'm very verbally abusive, really.
This podcast is rubbed.

Speaker 1 But mine is just like me being really verbally abusive. Yeah, if he doesn't make at least five people cry a day, yeah, I feel like I haven't done my job a day.
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Speaker 1 I'll tell you, I where it, I mean, obviously, Christina, where it comes from is it's terrifying

Speaker 1 to people that shit happens. And so people need to work backwards and say, okay, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
Did you eat a lot of food with zinc in it? You know, no, I didn't.

Speaker 1 Oh, did you, did you take like a lot of escalators? Some people can get MS. No, no, no, that's stupid.
That was online. No, whatever.
I'm making shit up, clearly, but it is, it is a.

Speaker 3 You'd be, you'd be surprised at the, the, the cures that I get told about. Like, I have this holy water and I know it will cure your MS.
I'm like, really? That's amazing because there's millions of us

Speaker 1 across the globe who still have it.

Speaker 3 Right. And have probably, you know, done this with the holy.
I mean, come on.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Come out.
Well, I think that that's that's

Speaker 2 the part of the fear. Part of the gift of the

Speaker 2 position, I think, that we have that it's, you know, taken me a long time to accept. I think, you know, acceptance is hard for anyone, no matter what you're dealing with.

Speaker 2 I think it's like the huge challenge in your life to accept that a situation is what it is. But I, but

Speaker 2 what I'm looking now as an opportunity is what I thought would sort of bring me out of this business.

Speaker 2 And I, and even when I was out about having MS and working, and it was always people very helpful, like, oh, we'll just walk around it, or we'll get you a walking double when the person walks away, you know, so you look able-bodied and normal.

Speaker 2 You know, now it's at this point where I'm like, no, if you want to cast me in this, this is the body I'm in. Because my life doesn't revolve around MS.
If anything, it could enrich a story.

Speaker 2 And I think that we don't see

Speaker 2 enough

Speaker 2 people like us on camera. We don't see enough people

Speaker 2 that have disabilities that are not defined by their disability within a story a lot of the time. And so, you know, I think that we do have a position and a power now to

Speaker 2 really try and

Speaker 2 change the perception around

Speaker 2 that celebrities can get sick, but that you can also keep like doing what you love and keep living your life. You know, I think that it's

Speaker 2 it's very scary for people. And yeah, you can feel like, you know, people are super human when they're a celebrity, but no, we're just human beings that are doing what we love.

Speaker 2 It just happens to be in front of a lot of people. Right.
Right. And now we can use that power for something else.

Speaker 1 It's weird. It's an occupational hazard.
I always think it's an occupation like working in a shoe store or anything else. It just has this other side to it, which is people recognize you.

Speaker 1 They recognize you from working on that.

Speaker 2 That's how Jim Dandelfini felt.

Speaker 1 I'm sure he told you that on that plane.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, he was,

Speaker 2 he's like, why don't you want my plumber's autograph? Like, it just didn't make sense to him why he had to have that piece of this, you know? Right.

Speaker 1 Right. I can completely understand that.

Speaker 1 One question that came to me is, and this is for both of you, and maybe I'll start with you, Christine, is when did you, what's the first symptom or when did you start to think something is in, something feels off?

Speaker 1 Is it subtle or does it hit you like a ton of bricks?

Speaker 3 It was January 2021. My mom had just been diagnosed with cancer for the third time.
And there was some other stuff going on in my life. And it was a really stressful, traumatic time.

Speaker 3 And my toes started to feel numb. Just my toes, you know, like a little bit.
I was still hiking. I was still playing tennis.

Speaker 3 I was still doing all the things I could do, but my toes weren't feeling right. And eventually over those months, it grew from my toes to my ankles to from my knees down is a whole other ballgame.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I was losing balance, but the pain was extra.

Speaker 3 And when I say numb, it's numb, but it hurts.

Speaker 3 So it was like these like very subtle things that happened. And finally, someone was like, well, it was actually Salma Blair said, can you please go to the neurologist?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And I was like, no, I was like, there's no way that the both of us from the same movie have MS. I was like, you crazy.

Speaker 3 And it was like, that was the end of it for, you know, and by then I had gotten so bad. And I was in the middle of shooting Dead to Me.

Speaker 3 We had to really stop for a minute and figure out how to do this.

Speaker 3 But what's interesting is I look back over time and probably for like six years, I was having weird things happening. Like fluorescent lights would bother me and make me dizzy.

Speaker 3 And being up on a platform, I would get afraid of the height. I was never afraid of heights.

Speaker 3 I'd be playing tennis and like my right leg would buckle and I'd be like, ooh, I must be dehydrated or it's too hot out here. I mean, they were like the tiniest little things.

Speaker 3 that you would completely ignore otherwise because there's probably an answer for all of them.

Speaker 3 But the numbness in my toes and as it started to grow up was was very much um announced in my fingers and and it just it starts to you know it over time

Speaker 3 it gets worse you know but it's

Speaker 1 that's that's how it happened and when and when you say like you you you've referenced i think twice now that you're having a really bad day what does that mean you're having a really bad ms day how does that manifest itself is it is it in the physical is it dealing with it is it is the physical?

Speaker 1 And that affects you also emotionally, too, I imagine.

Speaker 3 Well, yeah. I mean, you know, to go to the bathroom, it's like walking on

Speaker 3 needles and hot lava. So like, I haven't really been able to get out of my bed today.
So I'm having just a bad symptomatic day. And

Speaker 3 that can be, you know, from anything from, and I always get scared that this is now my new normal. And I get afraid that this is the new normal.
And then I'll have a day where I'm never good.

Speaker 3 I'm just less shitty. Yeah.
So those less shitty days, I'm like, okay, so that was just a symptomatic day. It was like, either I didn't sleep enough or I didn't eat enough or I'm stressed out.

Speaker 3 A lot of times stress or, you know, anything like that really affects it, can make it much worse. But there isn't a day where I'm like skipping down, you know, skipped maloo down a street.

Speaker 3 Although I try sometimes, right? Jamie House send me videos. I'm like, I'm trying to skip.
I'm skipping today.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 And then like the next, then 10 minutes later, I'm like, I can't move a thing.

Speaker 1 Or else she doesn't have MS.

Speaker 1 There's TMZ footage of her skipping down the lane, singing.

Speaker 1 She's making it up. This is damn good.

Speaker 3 Damn, I'm a good actress if I'm making this one up.

Speaker 1 Applegate is so full of shit.

Speaker 1 Always was.

Speaker 3 I would much probably get an Oscar for having Tourette's than I would for.

Speaker 3 And I'm not making fun of Tourette's because I love Balin out loud. I don't know if you guys have seen it, but she's real beautiful and I want to be her best friend.
But yeah, for the custom.

Speaker 1 But also I was, I've noticed that you've always had,

Speaker 1 and I love that you get to do it on Dead to Me. You get to say some of the meanest things on Dead to Me.

Speaker 1 And you do it where it's like, yes, you're a really good actress, but I can also tell that you're accessing some part of you that wants to tell somebody he's a fuck stick.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 3 I don't know how Liz Feldman knew that I existed on the planet. Like, she wrote it, it was already there.
Yeah. And then she was like, oh my God, this is you.
And I'm like, sadly, yes, sadly.

Speaker 1 How did you know I had a filthy mouth and a lot of rage?

Speaker 3 The best acting job I've ever done is being Christina Applegate out in the public. That is my greatest apology.

Speaker 1 That's your Oscar. Smock, funny.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Everything's cheery.

Speaker 3 And then I'm home and I'm like, fuck that shit.

Speaker 1 That's what podcasts are for.

Speaker 1 That's right. And Jamie Lynn, when did you know that

Speaker 1 what happened? How was it for you? Is it the same? Does it start with like tingling in the toes? Or what? Yeah.

Speaker 2 That was actually pretty similar for me. When I was 19, I had something similar, like weird numbness in my toes.
And then it was rising over a couple of days.

Speaker 2 And it was actually right before we were starting the third season. And I ended up in the emergency room and then the ICU for 14 days.
Nobody could figure out what I had.

Speaker 2 They had ruled out MS at the time because there was no findings on MRIs or whatever. And I got diagnosed with Lyme's disease actually initially.

Speaker 2 And they had had me in a bunch of steroids and antibiotics. And in hindsight, I think the steroids is what like picked me up out of it.

Speaker 2 But a year and a half after that, started to get that numbness again and went to the hospital. I was in the middle of the fourth season.
And I started to feel the numbness.

Speaker 2 I thought I was just going to kind of ask for more antibiotics. and they redid testing and diagnosed me with MS.
So it was shocking and not at all what I was expecting to hear.

Speaker 1 And to hear it, I mean, at that age, you've got to just be,

Speaker 1 I don't know, felt like you got hit by a meteor. Like you're standing in a cornfield and a meteor hit you.
Like it's, it's, it doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 It's weird. I can like, I can remember sitting in the hospital room and my parents were there and I had two friends too and the doctor was talking.

Speaker 2 And after he said it, it became kind of like like in a movie where all of the talking just starts sounding like muffled and like the room kind of gets dizzy and I just kind of blocked it out we went home I spoke to my family about it I went to a doctor's appointment um

Speaker 2 for uh like a checkup for the show like you have to get like a sign off that you're healthy and I told him and he told me I wouldn't I wouldn't repeat that again. And so that's what I did.

Speaker 1 I just kept it quiet. I didn't know that part.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, he was trying to protect me and I understood, you know, but it's a hard one to hold in, though, babe, especially when you are the best at teaching me to advocate for myself and to have boundaries on set and to say, hey, this is what I need.

Speaker 3 You gave me that power. And for you to have to go every day and take that.

Speaker 1 Pretend this isn't even happening.

Speaker 3 No, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I feel like you can't talk about it.

Speaker 3 It makes me want to,

Speaker 3 sad.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 it's interesting because we have all these fears. There's a terror.
It's not, you know, just in our culture. It's in many cultures.
We have a, but particularly we have a terror of people

Speaker 1 who maybe we've idolized or put up on a pedestal in any way,

Speaker 1 being sick. The same way we do

Speaker 1 there's this whole attitude about people getting older.

Speaker 1 And that's something where people are constantly feeling that they need to scrub how old they are or do things or go through ridiculous procedures to make sure that nobody thinks that they're the age they are.

Speaker 1 It's another kind of, let's just pretend that this doesn't happen to people. And

Speaker 1 I've taken the very bold move of having no work done. And I think so brave.
So brave. So brave.
Thank you. So brave.
Well, I think of the three of us, I'm the brave one.

Speaker 1 You are.

Speaker 1 And in a way. You're the hero.
You're the hero.

Speaker 1 Maybe the one who's been through the most.

Speaker 1 Maybe I'm going out on a limb here, and I'm told I don't have the best sense of the room.

Speaker 1 But I'm just letting it go as a 40, as a 44-year-old man. I'm just letting it happen.

Speaker 1 No one is fact-checking this. No, there's no internet.

Speaker 1 Never was and never will be.

Speaker 1 So how did you, you guys started talking together.

Speaker 1 And at one point, because it's such, you know, there's a lot of new technology and new kind of types of broadcasting and reaching out to people that can feel invasive and lame.

Speaker 1 But I do think that podcasting is particularly well suited to what the two of you were talking about because it's so intimate. and people can really hear what both of you are going through.

Speaker 1 It's a great thing that this medium exists right now for

Speaker 1 what you're doing and for the message that you're trying to get out.

Speaker 1 And not not even that it's a message it's conversations that both of you are having that feel very confessional and that feel like there's no topic you're not you're not working through okay we're going to get to this then we're going to get to this then we're going to get to get to this it very much feels like you two are hanging out and

Speaker 3 there are good days and bad days yeah i was going to say well um we never really have a plan.

Speaker 3 I mean, obviously when we have a guest, we, you know, most of the time there's someone that we know quite well.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 3 So that's easy to just talk with them. We don't have a list of questions really.
I mean, you know, there's, if we start to go off the rails, our, our producer will text like, hey, let's.

Speaker 2 She starts texting us.

Speaker 3 She starts texting and going like, bring it back to something,

Speaker 3 to like a subject. But I was going to say that with the podcast, it wasn't like Jamie and I were like, how can we go around talking about this?

Speaker 3 I mean, it was, I was actually getting in my infusion for my MS and Jenna Fisher from the office, who's a good friend of mine, she came to hang with me for the six hours that it takes.

Speaker 3 And she's like, and she knows my humor and the way I talk. She's like, you've got to do a podcast, man.

Speaker 3 And then it was, it was like after that, Jamie and I started talking. I was like, oh my God, this is like our lives.
And I feel so much better every time I'm talking. Sorry about that.

Speaker 3 That's my phone telling me to put my feet in a hot bath with Epsom salts.

Speaker 1 Your phone tells you to do that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, well,

Speaker 1 it does.

Speaker 3 It knows. It knows that I'm in pain and I need to do it.

Speaker 1 I have an alarm.

Speaker 3 I have an alarm for 1:30.

Speaker 1 This is going to lead into an.

Speaker 1 open tells me to stop going on that site. It's creepy.

Speaker 1 I'm like, what's creepy about it?

Speaker 1 That's the thing with it.

Speaker 3 It really came from our conversations. We always wanted to be honest and raw and real and not have a plan because sometimes the best plan is to have no plan.

Speaker 3 And then other times I'm just told to be quiet and to stop talking so much by our producer.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 2 Not by me.

Speaker 3 Not by you.

Speaker 2 But I also too, you know, MS looks different for everybody. It affects everybody differently, whether it's day to day or just, you know, body to body.

Speaker 2 And I think it's about, you know, giving yourself the grace and the space to express what you need to feel in the ups and downs of it. And also to, you know,

Speaker 2 not a lot of people know a lot about MS, so to also educate.

Speaker 2 In general, I think, and we have learned that the more specific you get with your vulnerability, the more universal it becomes for other people.

Speaker 2 So, you know, we get to hear from a lot of other people that listen to us that don't just have MS, that, you know, hear what we're going through and hear what we're

Speaker 2 trying to push through and accept and all those things through their own filter and how they sort of apply it to their lives.

Speaker 2 And so, you know, over the past year, it's really been an exercise in Christine and I getting to know each other and sharing a lot about our lives.

Speaker 2 And I feel like now it's not fully transitioned, but we've opened ourselves up now to having a lot of people really try to help us, help us individually and where we're at.

Speaker 2 And, you know, it's, we're, we're still here and we, we, we have children and dreams and lives and friends and people that we care about. And we're trying to figure out how to, you know.

Speaker 2 make it the best we can.

Speaker 1 It's also,

Speaker 1 and that's important to point out. It's not, I think one of the reasons it's such a great idea is that it's not, hey, if you've got MS, you should check out Messi.
That's not at all what it's about.

Speaker 1 Sure, if you do, then yes, but it really is about people struggling and actually people that you know, people that, I mean, for both of you, there are a lot of people that grew up watching you and have an emotional connection with you.

Speaker 1 And that's something that's very powerful. That gives you this gift of, oh, they know you.
They know you and you're part of their lives.

Speaker 1 You're part of a part of their life that they're only going to be that old once and you were a big part of their life then. And so now they're getting the gift of perspective, of whatever that means.

Speaker 1 Everyone has stuff in their life, but I'm constantly,

Speaker 1 you know, we just had these fires out here in LA. And I'm, you know, so I'm living in a hotel and people will say to me, oh, I'm so sorry.
And I cut them off. And I'm like, I'm living in a hotel.

Speaker 1 I know a lot of people who lost their homes. Like I, so I don't have, I have been inconvenienced,

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 1 it's stupid. I feel stupid when anyone says anything to me because I know many people who work here, several, two people that work here lost their homes.

Speaker 1 And a lot of my writer friends on The Simpsons lost their homes. And a lot of people in and around my neighborhood lost their home.
And so

Speaker 1 I did not. I'm in a hotel.
And

Speaker 1 so my complaint is they don't make the smoothie quite the way I like it. It's not the way I would do it if I was at home.
What's wrong with the world? Why does God hate me?

Speaker 1 God!

Speaker 1 Why have you?

Speaker 2 You need to come on Messi and talk about it.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Well, first of all, before we go any further,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 ladies, I'm here to talk about there's this guy at this high-end hotel, Beverly Hills, who.

Speaker 1 But no, I think that perspective is not something you get and then you have. Like someone gives you a gold pocket watch and you have it in your pocket the rest of your life.

Speaker 1 I always think it's like stomach crunches or any kind of, you just, you know, unfortunately, you've got to keep doing it or stretching or, you know, any of the rehab or anything of the exercises that you need to do or self-care you need to do, you have to keep at it.

Speaker 1 I think that's the way about perspective. We just have to keep at it because,

Speaker 1 yes, I am this, but these other people are going through that.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it's always the yin and the yang. It's always going to be that.

Speaker 1 And so I think the fact that the two of you are sharing this and, you know, Christina, when you were saying earlier, oh, I'm sorry, I'm getting weepy. I'm having a bad day.

Speaker 1 The whole point is to tell us that and to let it happen.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, we've, we've covered so many topics, too. I mean, it's not like if we just sat there and talked about MS all day, we'd be like,

Speaker 3 or probably not. I'd just be crying the whole time.
Right. We've had episodes about eating disorders and, and bitches, you know, like just

Speaker 1 well, wait a minute. Let's talk about bitches in life.

Speaker 1 I mean, let's now you've got my, I mean, I go for it, Christina. I was really liking this, but now it's another level.

Speaker 3 She knows that I get pissed off when I lay back when we're recording and I look like this.

Speaker 3 Like my fire, my anger inside of myself talking about bitches.

Speaker 3 Just people who are just bitches.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 all humans. Bitches is all genders, right?

Speaker 1 It's everybody. Of course.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 it includes me is what you're saying.

Speaker 3 You know, you're my biggest bitch ever.

Speaker 1 I knew I'd make it.

Speaker 1 You are. I made it to the top.

Speaker 3 I haven't even told Jamie because Jamie and I are probably going to record next week because, you know, whatever. And I have so much to tell you about some bitches.

Speaker 1 I can't wait.

Speaker 3 Mama got vicious in the text messages.

Speaker 1 Do you drop names? You don't drop names.

Speaker 2 I don't. No, no, no.
I think we should. I mean, why not? Well, we, you know, what we have had, though, is a lot of like past co-stars.
Like we had Ed O'Neill, we had Edie Falco.

Speaker 2 And it was really interesting and wonderful to like have these conversations with people that knew us when we were kids, you know, in our like formative years and really get their perspective of us.

Speaker 2 And for also to like have a conversation like with Edie, where she forever felt like a mother figure to me because of the way we met.

Speaker 2 But now to have a conversation as two women, you know, and peers in a way, it's been really beautiful to be able to like have these deep personal conversations on the podcast with people that are important to us that also people like relate to us, but to get to see a different side of it.

Speaker 1 Yes. It's interesting to me too, you know, from my lens of, you know, Christina, those times that you would come on or Jamie Lynn, the times you would come on.
It's, I would see you in this very,

Speaker 1 I, I loved that format, but it was,

Speaker 1 you know, you know what, for the soprano, you know, you know, you know, you know, from Mary from children, you know, so Christine,

Speaker 1 she won't see her.

Speaker 1 Hey, what's going on?

Speaker 3 And it's this, it's, I could listen to you do that all day.

Speaker 1 I know, I know, we do, I know, I know, but I swear to God, it's, it's, it was 30 years of my life, and it's in my head where I'll be brushing my teeth and I'll be like,

Speaker 1 all right, we're fine.

Speaker 1 I'm using crest toothpaste because it gets it white, you know, but I guess it's still a conversation, and I was still getting to know you, and you are these, you know, much younger than me.

Speaker 1 And, and, and,

Speaker 1 and now I'm checking in on you in this very different way.

Speaker 1 And it's nice. It feels really nice to speak to both of you.
And I'm sorry that you got, both of you got hit with this sack of shit because that's what it is for no reason.

Speaker 1 I'm really sorry about that.

Speaker 3 And it's, I pooped myself yesterday, so that goes in, goes on brand with me.

Speaker 1 Me too.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 But I'm saying

Speaker 1 it's very nice. I'm grateful for this medium that allows us to talk this way and check in.
And people,

Speaker 1 you know, a lot of people can hear it and hear how you're doing and hear about your podcast, which,

Speaker 1 and, and it's, uh, it's just, I'm very grateful that we get to do this, you know? Me too. Thank you.

Speaker 3 I'm, I've been, this, my favorite moments, honestly, Conan, when I would come on there for like the 30th time or whatever, was when we'd go to commercial and you and I would just talk. Yeah.

Speaker 3 It was like, it was like the best thing ever. The show was over, you know, the like pre-interview.
We did our bits. I did my stories.

Speaker 3 And you and I would just sit and talk during that two and two, Chuck Bullery. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I remember it. Yeah.
I don't know. And I remember in the commercial break, you know, trying to do that with Jamie Lynn.
And she said, this interview's over.

Speaker 1 Yeah, usually. So usually.
But you know,

Speaker 1 she said, this interview's over. And then she said, my people, and seven people came and took her away.

Speaker 1 And one of them hit that rip. That's exactly what would happen.
That is not what happened.

Speaker 2 Well, I was actually going to say, I've just never felt very good at like that side of this business. It's just always felt like, I don't know, it just,

Speaker 2 it would bring out insecurities and things in me that weren't great.

Speaker 2 However, doing your show, and I mean this with every part of me, there was never an ounce of nerves.

Speaker 2 You may be the first time because it was, cause I was such a fan, but it was just, you always brought ease and, and enjoyment. I would leave on a high and so happy.

Speaker 2 Like I just had the best, you know, 20 minutes of my life. So thank you.
You would get 20 minutes.

Speaker 1 I'd get like eight to 12.

Speaker 1 No, you were, you would, you would get

Speaker 2 commercials.

Speaker 1 Christina would get like five at the most.

Speaker 2 That's why she kept coming back.

Speaker 1 I knew if I was cruel to you, Christina, you'd keep coming back. And you'd keep coming back.

Speaker 3 Of course. Yes.
Well, I did.

Speaker 1 That's why I got that

Speaker 3 cleaning closet. But I was going to say, what was so awesome is that you, you listened.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And we sometimes wouldn't even get to the questions, man. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Because you were like one of the only ones who listened, who didn't have like a vacant look on their face waiting for the next, like, get to the part that you're supposed to say and let's get to the next question.

Speaker 3 You would listen. And so you and I would just, it did feel like.
real and loose and it wasn't a show. I love you.
You know that, you know that I've always absolutely adored you.

Speaker 1 Well, I am, I mean, I was coming in today. I knew I'd be talking to both of you.
And I was thinking, I really want to check in with them because I care about these people.

Speaker 1 And I'm invested in them because I have this avuncular, like, you know. Well, I knew them when

Speaker 1 these young ladies that used to come by and I would make a cookie for them and talk to them. And, you know, and I want to see how they're doing.
And

Speaker 1 I, I'm so, again, again,

Speaker 1 I'd do anything in the world if I could change this reality for both of you.

Speaker 1 And I can't, but anything I can do to raise awareness, to do anything. I mean,

Speaker 1 my father was a scientist who devoted his life to trying to find ways to make people better. And my hope is that science will find ways.

Speaker 1 And anything we can do, I mean, anything I can do to help both of you.

Speaker 1 And I'd also like to come on your podcast. You know,

Speaker 1 we would love it.

Speaker 3 Seriously?

Speaker 1 But here's the thing.

Speaker 2 Well, I didn't think Conan was going to make me cry today.

Speaker 1 But here's the thing. I want to talk about my fee.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 It's $100,000. And it's got to be in its cash in a suitcase or I fucking.

Speaker 3 That's more than I've even made doing the podcast.

Speaker 1 Well, listen, sister.

Speaker 1 Okay. It's time for me to get tough with you, too.
All right. Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to soften up because of this whole MS thing. I get top dollar.

Speaker 1 You're the next bitch they're going to talk about. Yeah.

Speaker 1 This bitch wants $100,000 to come on.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 David is right here, and David's the one that does the schedule. He's in charge of my life, but I would love to come on and talk to you on your podcast.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 And do,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 I consider us friends and I would like to help. So let me know what I can can do.
And I'm just saying that because this is once this is over, I'm not going to do anything. You know that.

Speaker 1 This is just, of course.

Speaker 2 But this is the image you need to put out.

Speaker 1 This is what's been recorded. This is what's called performative.

Speaker 1 You know, this is me, is the paparazzi here? And they get a picture of me going to the hospital to visit the people. And then I go out the back and I shop for a Rolex.

Speaker 1 There you go. Yeah.

Speaker 2 We're in Hollywood Secrets here.

Speaker 1 I like it. No, I really want to come do yours.
And really, I really want to get into the bitches thing. So

Speaker 2 yeah, maybe we should save the bitch conversation for when Conan comes on.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 That's so bad. You guys, it's so bad.

Speaker 1 It's almost my

Speaker 1 best.

Speaker 3 This particular thing that happened this week is like, I don't even know if I can even talk about it.

Speaker 1 Well, I've got my own bitches to talk about. Two of whom are in the middle of it.
You can talk about your book. Yeah,

Speaker 3 your bitches.

Speaker 1 I'm looking at one of them right now, Eduardo. Eduardo?

Speaker 1 Catching strays over here. No, hey, that's not a stray.
That is.

Speaker 1 You know what you did, and you're going to pay for it. Fuck with my microphone.

Speaker 1 I love you both. And

Speaker 1 I haven't even said that. I never said that to my parents, so I should say it to you.

Speaker 1 That's not true. I'm kidding.
Wait a minute. Hold on, checking.
Nope. 1977.

Speaker 1 The summer Elvis died, I told them.

Speaker 1 I'm in your corner, and let me know what I can do. And I will see you on your podcast.
We'll talk about bitches. Yes, you will.
And

Speaker 1 I'm thinking about you both and

Speaker 1 sending you whatever crazy Irish Catholic energy is within me, half of which is malevolent. I'm sure.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I'll take it.

Speaker 3 You know what you can send me? Because I ask all my very, very, very wealthy friends. Yep.
$6 million.

Speaker 1 Just like not alone. Jesus, I made that today.
I mean,

Speaker 1 just $6 million. $6 million.
I know we are. Sounds weird.
No, I just asked him to do it. I posted a job for $6 million.

Speaker 3 I ask him every time I talk to him.

Speaker 1 I just bought and closed an orphanage, and I got $6 million. Okay, there you go.

Speaker 1 And then I have a lot of investments with defense contractors who make claymore mines. Those are the ones that really.

Speaker 1 So, yes.

Speaker 1 Ladies,

Speaker 1 just have a, Christina, I hope your day gets better. And it is really lovely to talk to both of you.
And

Speaker 1 weird thing to say, because I'm not your uncle, but I'm really proud of both of you. I'm extremely proud of you.
So let's just, I'm your comedy uncle, your weird comedy uncle and uh

Speaker 1 we're getting we're getting creepy kind of uncles we want okay yeah the weird comedy uncle with the red wig and um that's right be well and thank you so much for being here today and and sharing with me i really appreciate it we love you thank you for having us all right bye

Speaker 1 bye

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Speaker 1 Okay, I have something very tangentially Oscars related, which I don't think I've said on Mike how great a job you did on. Oh, thank you very much.
Thank you. I enjoyed myself thoroughly.

Speaker 1 I had a really good time. The Oscars are big in our family.
It's like the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 And my wife sat down with my daughter to do a little arts and crafts, and they decided that they would try to predict what all of the famous people would be wearing at the Oscars. Interesting.

Speaker 1 Okay, and so I just want to show you. Because your daughter is quite young.
She's three and a half. Three and a half.
And so is my wife. Yeah.
All right.

Speaker 1 And this is what my wife did for Cynthia Arrivo and Ariana Grande. Okay.
I just want to show this. And so now

Speaker 1 they're pretty close. They were wearing very architectural dresses.

Speaker 1 That's insane. And so now I'm living with a woman who is convinced she's psychic.
And I don't believe in that kind of stuff. But now I have to say, I don't know what's real.
Wait a minute.

Speaker 1 Wait a minute. Yeah.
The fact that your wife did that prior to the Oscars and seeing what they were going to wear.

Speaker 1 Okay. I'm going to say this.
That is eerie. That is eerily close.
Unless, is she someone who pays attention to how they normally do? Not at all. She had no idea.
She just took a guess.

Speaker 1 I think she was going kind of off their wicked characters a little bit.

Speaker 4 Is it mean if I say she draws like a 10-year-old? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
She certainly is. Yeah.
It's I thought those are pretty good. Yeah.
You do? Well, wait till you see how my daughter draws. Oh, I thought those were your daughters.

Speaker 4 I mean, no offense to Amanda.

Speaker 1 No, no. But also, we were, you were up close because I got you some seats.
I hooked you up. Yeah, you hooked me up.
And you could see Ariana Grande trying to sit in that dress. Yes.

Speaker 1 And she had to, it was not easy.

Speaker 4 She had to, I think, sit on the edge of the seat because it was.

Speaker 1 She couldn't recline. No, those are not sitting dresses.
No, these ain't sitting dresses. Okay.
Okay. Anyway, we'll stay on topic.
Well, that's it for that.

Speaker 1 But this is, this came up earlier about Ray Fiennes. This is my daughter's prediction of what Ray Fiennes would be wearing.
Again, spot on. She says that's his little hat.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Then this is where it gets pretty interesting. This is Zoe Saldania.
Oh.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.
And my favorite here,

Speaker 1 Adrian Brody. And she pointed out what all of the pieces are here.
Oh.

Speaker 1 Little bow. Yeah.
Hair. Bum bum.
That's his butt. And a toot coming out.
Oh, a fart.

Speaker 1 He poopies and potty, and he does go peeping.

Speaker 4 Is it his peepee or he's peeping?

Speaker 1 I think he's.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm not sure. I'll have have to get back to you on that.

Speaker 4 Can I sorry? I'd like the, I'd like to.

Speaker 1 Can I say I was backstage when all that was going down with Adrian Brody, and all of that happened. Yeah.
This is happening.

Speaker 1 We were hosing that place down. He was pooping in the potty and he had the peepee.
We all heard it the first time. We're good.
We don't need your

Speaker 1 recital of the facts. Oh, by the way, if you want to see these, just go to at Team Coco podcasts on Instagram.
So I think that's a pretty

Speaker 1 impressive. This is is crazy, right? I think that's crazy that your wife was able to do that.
Look at that.

Speaker 4 We should do this.

Speaker 2 We should predict what people are going to wear and stuff.

Speaker 1 I do it here around for certain guests. Oh, that's right.
Oh, that's right. We should talk about this.

Speaker 1 Eduardo, please.

Speaker 1 I'm not involved. There's kind of like an office pool that happens for certain guests.

Speaker 1 I'd say the AAA listers where the office around here starts to guess and wonder what they're going to come and dress for. To my recollection, it was Goldie Han, Jane Fonda, and Al Pacino.

Speaker 1 That's right. Yeah.
Yes. So there's guesses.
So we already kind of. Now, how close did you come? I'm not good at this game,

Speaker 1 but there's other people within the office that are.

Speaker 4 So those aren't the only three AAA listeners.

Speaker 1 No, no, they were just too shy. Those are the only ones when he did.
Yeah. Yeah.
But nobody got Goldie Han because she came in in like a body glove wetsuit or something like that. Remember?

Speaker 1 She had like. Was it a wetsuit? No, it wasn't a wetsuit, but it was like a sport tank top or something.
Yeah, yeah. It was very beachy.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, to be fair to her, she came right from deep diving that's for pearls without a tank. So,

Speaker 1 I mean, she came right from that and brought us all fresh pearls. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was pretty.

Speaker 1 She was amazing, by the way, Goldie Hun. If you have not listened to her interview, check it out.

Speaker 1 Because I loved talking to her. Yeah.
She's incredible. And

Speaker 1 her memory of things that happened to her when she first moved to New York in the 60s and she didn't have a place to live yet. It was, and she talked about all of it as if it happened yesterday.

Speaker 1 I know. The imagery and everything was incredible.

Speaker 2 I love her so much.

Speaker 1 Anyway.

Speaker 4 Yeah, we do that. We talk about, I mean, Ruthie's the one who's kind of spearheading it, and she goes around.

Speaker 1 There's a list of what people are going to address. Do people ever guess what I'm going to be wearing when I come in?

Speaker 2 No one ever talks about you.

Speaker 1 That's weird. You just never come up.
I guess it's because I'm so ubiquitous.

Speaker 2 I think they forget that that you do this podcast sometimes.

Speaker 1 Also, I tend to wear the same thing a lot. You do.

Speaker 1 I have kind of a uniform.

Speaker 4 You're like a Steve Jobs.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know what I mean? And my ability to lead the world of tech.
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 I meant like just like wearing the same stuff a lot.

Speaker 1 Oh, I thought you meant the other way in which I.

Speaker 4 But this works. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Sometimes we're going to have to do it. The hoodie with the blazer.
Come in. Yes.
Oh. That's true.

Speaker 1 I mean, cartoonishly hyperactive. Yeah, just like that.
Versus what? Scale of one through 10, maybe, like how

Speaker 1 high out the knob will be turned up. Yeah, how bitty you might be.

Speaker 1 Where are we today?

Speaker 1 I think today is like a, you know, I find a tendency that when we haven't recorded in a while,

Speaker 1 there's like this freshness and there's like a layer that's. Pent-up bits.
Yeah, but also like, also just. friendlier.
That's true. Like he's happy to see everyone.

Speaker 1 I'm worried about next week because we have four sessions on Facebook and by Friday, he's just going to be beating us. What, Well, I don't physically, yes, I do physically beat you.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry, and that's probably wrong. I shouldn't admit to that on Mike.
But yes, it is true. I was away from you guys.
I've been up in Seattle visiting my in-laws with my wife and love Seattle.

Speaker 1 Shout out to Seattle. And shout out to Pam and Jake Powell.
Seattle.

Speaker 1 Seattle.

Speaker 1 Powells. Powells.
You were in your Seahawks.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's the Mariners. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And anyway,

Speaker 1 Microsoft.

Speaker 1 It doesn't work the same way.

Speaker 1 Boeing.

Speaker 1 Needles, space or otherwise. Amazon.

Speaker 1 Oops. Anyway.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Had a wonderful time with the Powells, as I always do. And I really love Seattle.

Speaker 1 But what happened after being away for like eight days is I do miss you guys. And I do miss

Speaker 1 this total

Speaker 1 asserie that we engage in. I don't know what else to call it.
it. That's accurate.
Foolishness.

Speaker 1 So I come in and I'm doing it, it's bits right away.

Speaker 4 But bits right away.

Speaker 1 Then when we do a bunch of shows in a row towards the end, I feel like

Speaker 1 one of those, you know, jackpot machines with just that it's been pulling on the handle again and again and again and again. There's no coins left.

Speaker 1 And then I want everyone to fuck off.

Speaker 1 There he is. There he is.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 We're wrapping it up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 This was just a segment. So there's no, I just look down on my introducing.
I don't know how this podcast works. No, you don't.
You want me to have yours?

Speaker 1 You know what? Can I talk about something that you don't know how it works that would help me in editing?

Speaker 1 Is every time when you do the intro and you say, these are my guests, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then you say their name is the last thing you say.

Speaker 1 I really need to pause there because there's a musical break between that. And I always have to find a strange person.
Okay, that helps me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's that's constructive criticism right no it's nothing you're doing wrong you didn't know but I just didn't want to try to explain that it's been

Speaker 1 five years and you've never ever ever thought

Speaker 1 to maybe just suggest to me you're that afraid of me and that's on me okay yeah well uh well I wish I had a guest that I could introduce right now because I'm going to tell you how I'm going to do it in the future.

Speaker 1 Okay. Can you just try it again with their names one more time? Sure.

Speaker 1 With

Speaker 1 Christina. That's the end of the episode.
And Jamie Lynn? Sure. My guest today hosts the podcast Messi, which releases new episodes every Tuesday, wherever you get your podcast.

Speaker 1 I'm very excited they're here today.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 1 Christina Applegate and Jamie Lynn Sigler. Perfect.
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