The Mothman Cometh

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Speaker 2 Hi, Sam. Welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs a Fan.

Speaker 3 Hey, how are you there?

Speaker 1 Hey, Sam, how are you?

Speaker 3 I'm doing really good. How are you doing?

Speaker 1 Doing great. First of all, loving the hair, Sam.
You got the

Speaker 1 best.

Speaker 1 I love,

Speaker 1 I'm not egotistical enough to say it's the Conan swoop because, you know,

Speaker 1 I didn't invent it. I think Bob's big boy invented it, but it looks very cool.
So I'm loving that. Tell us a little bit about yourself, Sam.

Speaker 3 So my name's Sam, and I live in Chicago and,

Speaker 3 you know, been a big fan of yours since, you know, forever.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 3 Actually,

Speaker 3 with my first paychecks, I actually bought a TV.

Speaker 3 It was like back in like 2003, a little tiny L C D T V that I could watch Conan, like the show, like your guys' show on in my room right before I went to bed.

Speaker 3 So I wouldn't keep everyone else in the house up.

Speaker 1 Wow. So you have excellent comedy taste and you're considerate.
That's a great combination.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 I try to be. And my brother, whose name is also Matt, also loves, has always loved you too.
He's about as tall as you too.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. Okay.

Speaker 3 I would have been as tall as you if I had if I had a if I had a Y chromosome,

Speaker 3 but I am a trans guy,

Speaker 3 which means that I started life as a girl. and and when I was 33 I transitioned to being a guy okay

Speaker 1 yeah and tell us I'm still so you so how old are you now how long ago did you transition so I transitioned when I was 33 years old I started and I'm going to be 39 next month so you look fantastic by the way

Speaker 1 I was gonna say you look like you're like 22 years old yeah

Speaker 3 I know well that's kind of like one of the perks of like you know transitioning a little bit later is you know you look you always look a little bit younger like when you're transitioning from uh female to male but like for me like for some people like in their early 20s like that's not so great but like when you're in your 30s you know i'll take it i'll look younger

Speaker 1 i was gonna say i was thinking i want to transition from a man my age to a man who's much younger

Speaker 1 someone figured that out don't we all though yeah yeah i gotta figure i gotta figure that one out too if i could figure out how to transition my joints and all of my problems oh they're gonna figure it all out have you watched the substance?

Speaker 1 They're working out. Demi Moore is working very hard on this.
Yeah, it worked out great for her, too. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it looked like it did to me.

Speaker 1 So, Sam, what do you, what's your, what's your, what's your gig? What's your job? What do you do?

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 pretty much I run my own business. I actually make adult toys.
Okay.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 we, when I, I've actually been in the industry since 2008.

Speaker 3 But when I started transitioning, which was, I think it was that was like 2019,

Speaker 3 I kind of noticed that there wasn't toys on the market that like were super compatible with like trans anatomy and like the changes that your body

Speaker 1 would do that.

Speaker 3 Yeah. So I was like, hey, I've got these skills from working in the industry.
Can I translate that into something that works? good for, you know, for a variety of different body types.

Speaker 3 So, uh, and that's what I've been doing pretty much since then. It's, it's mostly just been me, um, my designer who lives in Denmark.

Speaker 3 And then just recently, one of my partners started helping me make toys like just, you know, to keep up on orders.

Speaker 1 Now, I'm curious. So you were in the adult toy business before you transitioned.
Is that right? I see. Okay.
Okay. And then realized that, hey, wait a minute,

Speaker 1 there needs, there's a market here that's not being taken care of.

Speaker 3 Yeah, exactly. And it was like, I, I mean, there was definitely stuff out there.

Speaker 3 And I swear I probably bought like one of everything

Speaker 3 just to see. And then it's taken,

Speaker 3 you know, it's taken a while, but like we've, we've, like, one of our toys took like four years to finally design so it would be compatible.

Speaker 3 And then another thing we completely came up with that nobody else has done is we came up with what's called a grindable, which is like halfway between like a like a like a sleeve and like a grind pad, which is something that like some people use, like, you know, like cis women will generally use to like grind up against.

Speaker 3 So we kind of invented something that was halfway between that, me and my designer.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 when it's ready for market, how do you get the word out?

Speaker 3 So one of the things, like, so our toys are cryptid themed. So they're basically like fantasy toys themed.

Speaker 3 So that was like what my old business did. So I kind of just kept going with that.

Speaker 3 But mine are cryptid base. So meaning like

Speaker 1 monsters and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 Yeah. So they're based on like monsters and you know, folklore.
Like we have like a Mothman, we have Minotaur,

Speaker 3 you know, we've got the Jersey Devil.

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 3 we're trying to come up with more stuff.

Speaker 1 What's the Mothman one like?

Speaker 3 So I think you have a colour.

Speaker 1 I'm going to show you.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So this is our Mothman.

Speaker 1 Oh, wait a minute. Yeah.
So this is our

Speaker 3 medium.

Speaker 1 No, you have two two sizes bigger.

Speaker 1 That's a medium. Yeah, when you have two sizes bigger.

Speaker 3 And two sizes bigger.

Speaker 3 But yeah. And then these are all made of Platinum Cure medical grade silicon.
So these are not like the toys that you just buy like, you know, online that are just made of unknown materials.

Speaker 3 You know, right.

Speaker 1 You want to make sure you're using medical grade. Medical grade safe.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So, um, yeah, we, we, uh, you know, that, and then we, and then we make these, we, we can fade.

Speaker 3 I, I, like, one of the cool things that I can do is I can fade the silicone to, yeah, like this is, this is, you start with one, it's one bucket and you fade all the way down to a different color.

Speaker 3 So it's,

Speaker 3 it's fun.

Speaker 1 I mean, like, I have a background in art too, so that's

Speaker 3 that helps. It is beautiful.
Art and comedy. So, I mean, you have to have some of the things.

Speaker 1 Oh, you do comedy as well?

Speaker 3 Yeah. So, you know, all throughout high school, I did improv and theater and all of that.
And then when I got out of high school, I was like, man, I really miss this.

Speaker 3 So I ended up starting a,

Speaker 3 we go to furry conventions, which is another way that we market because there's a big market for like

Speaker 1 for anyone who's listening who doesn't know, including me, exactly.

Speaker 1 What is the furry world is?

Speaker 3 So the furry fandom is just like a group of people that enjoy anthropomorphic animals.

Speaker 3 So we're talking stuff like, you know, as, you know, like, like, like Bugs Bunny all the way up to like Zootopia, things like that.

Speaker 3 that people just enjoy that and uh for the most part it's you know it's it's very just like family friendly but there is a like a not safe for work kind of side of the fandom um

Speaker 1 there's a not safe for work uh echelon version of everything of every fandom yeah including probably team coco yeah yeah

Speaker 1 well i i did i did hear those uh those uh someone was reading those fan i think it was sona had the fan fictions that uh yes yeah no no there's that echelon of uh in in every world you can't go if you if you're a geologist there's a not safe for work fandom oh yeah 100

Speaker 3 and and that and the same goes for like the cryptozoology stuff and that's why there's like a whole monster lover community things like that but when you do comedy

Speaker 1 because you have all these different worlds there's um that you're that you're exploring or that you're part of and you said that you're also in the in the in the in the comedy world but in the furry world as well so do those crossover?

Speaker 1 Do you do comedy in the furry

Speaker 1 at furry conventions?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So, I really missed doing

Speaker 3 I really missed doing improvs specifically. So, one year

Speaker 3 I asked a convention if I could host like an improv panel, and we just called it Who's Lion? So, it was like an animal pun on whose lion is it anyway.

Speaker 1 I don't know why, but I think that's a very marketable idea. Who's lying?

Speaker 1 It's really fun.

Speaker 3 I like that. And we ended up, our first show had like 60 people.
And what we ended up doing was we just kind of let the audience come up and participate.

Speaker 3 Like I would, you know, work and play the games. I was just basically like running like, hey, we're playing this game now.
And, you know, we've had like up to 500 people at one show.

Speaker 3 I mean, obviously, not everybody can participate at that point when there's like that many people.

Speaker 3 But we do try to get as many people up as possible to play in these games so we can just share them like

Speaker 3 everyone's dressed as animals not everybody uh so i would say like 10 of a furry convention actually like actually has like costumes um but then these are just people who are you know we're coming to hang out and we have like a common interest and uh they you know they want to come up on stage and you know have a good time and some of them are in suit um like i've done it in suit like when we do a charity version of who's lying i'll generally be in my fursuit And what's your fursuit?

Speaker 3 So, my fursuit's an African wild dog. I've had like a bunch of different fursuits throughout the years, but my current one is an African wild dog.

Speaker 1 So, you're on stage doing comedy dressed as an as an African wild dog. Yes, okay.
I we're there's so many, I mean, my mind is expanding in so many amazing ways. I'm still on that Mothman schlong,

Speaker 3 yeah, the moshman schlong

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Speaker 1 You just had that ready to go.

Speaker 2 That was right off camera. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What else do you have?

Speaker 3 Oh, I have a ton right off camera.

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Speaker 3 Let's do a parade.

Speaker 1 So, first of all,

Speaker 3 remember I talked about like the grindable.

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 3 So, this is like our invention. We actually have the provisional patent on these.
We have two of them. Oh, we have the serpent interface.

Speaker 1 That must have been a fun day at the patent office.

Speaker 1 I can't just picture a really nerdy guy. And tell me what you have.
I have these. Me.

Speaker 3 Well, thankfully, my business lawyer is a patent lawyer, and he's just like, he's so cool about it. He's like, whatever.

Speaker 3 And then, you know, another thing that we did was we actually ended up scaling it up.

Speaker 1 Oh, so

Speaker 3 cis men could use it as like a masturbatory.

Speaker 2 Wait, is that just friction-based or you, is it electronic?

Speaker 1 Yes. No, you, so you do get, it's all silicone.
I've never seen it

Speaker 1 in the middle. You need

Speaker 3 like a flashlight.

Speaker 3 You use it like you would a flashlight.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, and it's all textured on it.

Speaker 1 It's like a tube that you stick your dick into. It's a flashlight that you fuck.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You fuck a flashlight. Yeah.
Oh. But it's like

Speaker 1 inside is not like a

Speaker 1 paper towel tube is for.

Speaker 1 My wife's always like, Where's the tube? Why is the paper towels just everywhere? It lasts a little bit longer than that, though. How I can make them last.

Speaker 1 You just gotta shellac them first and bake them in the sun. Oh, God.

Speaker 1 My wife, why are all these towels just all over the place? Oh, God.

Speaker 1 Sorry, dear. I was fashioning a flashlight.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Wow, my marriage is over now.

Speaker 1 You're going to see me walking alone down the highway with a suitcase. And a paper towel.
No, no, no. You open the suitcase and 15 paper towel holders fall out.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. This thing is broken.
This thing is broken.

Speaker 1 So, all right, I'm picturing you. Doing improv or stand up on stage dressed as an African wild dog.

Speaker 1 That must be a little challenging because it's hard enough to do improv, but when you're dressed as a, as a furry animal, that's got to be really challenging.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, like, we have microphones on stage.

Speaker 3 So one of the funny things about it is that like when you do have like a fursuit and you are on stage, and especially like, even if it's like a smaller crowd, like we still have to get the microphones on the, on the fursuiters.

Speaker 3 Yep.

Speaker 3 uh you know normally i have no problem projecting um but even in suit like i have issues with it um so uh you have to like put the microphone like all the way in the fursuit mouth so it's up against against your mouth in the head.

Speaker 3 So it kind of just like looks like you're,

Speaker 3 well, deep throating a microphone when you're doing that.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 1 I'd hate for something untoward to happen.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So, but yeah, no, we always have like a really good time.

Speaker 1 I like how delicate you were about, oh, and it's, I don't know how else to say this. You just showed us.

Speaker 1 Nine different products that would get me arrested in any airport. I just saw a purple spiked clam that was a sex toy.

Speaker 3 Well, I mean, like, I go through the airports all the time with these in my carry-on.

Speaker 1 Oh, right. Well, they don't get lost.

Speaker 3 Because I want to have, I want to make sure that they don't get lost because we've had like, like, because we go to conventions to sell, and I've had like packages get lost. Like, there's in, in, in,

Speaker 3 in Boston specifically, there are two boxes of my toys that just never showed up to a convention in Boston that we were at.

Speaker 1 So, those are just somewhere. Yeah.

Speaker 3 No, they got delivered to the hotel, and someone signed for them, but nobody could find them. Right.

Speaker 1 So, I don't know where they are. They know.

Speaker 3 So, now we put air tags in all of our boxes.

Speaker 1 They probably think they're staplers or something. Exotic staplers.

Speaker 1 Katinka, Katinka, Kachinka.

Speaker 1 Hey, I got this new paperweight. Yeah.
You mean the mothers? Yeah,

Speaker 1 I have a paperweight, and look,

Speaker 1 I have a stapler that looks like,

Speaker 1 as you would call it, a clam. Yes.
Listen. A clam.

Speaker 1 Listen,

Speaker 1 you've expanded my mind in wonderful ways. And

Speaker 1 this is an impressive business that you've got going here.

Speaker 1 Thank you. It means a lot.
Do you have a factory?

Speaker 1 Where's the actual production done?

Speaker 3 So it's done right here at my house. My entire basement is

Speaker 3 finished. And like, it's a finished basement that we've completely set up to do all the we have

Speaker 3 we have seven 3d printers

Speaker 3 um we have um like we have a couple of vacuum chambers uh you know because we have to take all the air out of the silicone before we pour it um so there's no bubbles in the toy um and um yeah we just do everything here uh like just locally you know and i get all my stuff and there's no like there's no i mean i'm thinking you're there's chemicals then in your basement you would hate there for there to be, there's never could be an explosion or anything because you don't want these things raining down in the neighborhood.

Speaker 1 This one's not flammable. Look out! Put up your umbrellas! Like a meth lab? Would you have a come flam? And I'm just picturing them coming down like missiles.

Speaker 3 All the dildos just raining from the sky. Yeah.
But no, there's.

Speaker 1 Someone looks up and goes, oh, no. Galoop.

Speaker 1 Out of control. This is an out-of-control interview.
Oh, my God. I blame you, Sam.
This is your fault. You know, you took a very serious, sober podcast.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 Very serious. We're a very dramatic, serious podcast.
Did Sam have a question? Do you have a question, Sam?

Speaker 3 Yeah. So

Speaker 3 one of the things that I always wondered is, do you ever wish that they still made the otaco at Taco Bell?

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 oh, that's right. I didn't, I think I did a remote once.
Did I do a remote once? Yeah, you did a remote.

Speaker 3 It's one of my favorites.

Speaker 1 And it's,

Speaker 1 I went with, who did I? Hayes. I went with, yeah, I went with Chris Hayes.
Yeah. That was a fun remote.
Yeah, it was. I have to say, and I'm not,

Speaker 1 we are not sponsored by Taco Bell or anything, but man, that was delicious. What was in it? Do you remember? I'm trying to remember.
It was delicious.

Speaker 3 It was like corned beef hash,

Speaker 3 potatoes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was going to get it.

Speaker 3 And then I believe you dumped it. You dumped a Guinness on it.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 you can't go wrong dumping a Guinness on anything. But yes, I remember Taco Bell.

Speaker 1 they asked me to design something, and so I went all Irish on them.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I think I had one bite and then had a massive heart attack. Yeah, I'm shocked it's not like in every Taco Bell.

Speaker 1 I guess Taco Bell decided not to go wide with it.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 if you're ever at the Dublin Taco Bell,

Speaker 1 it's their biggest seller.

Speaker 1 Taco.

Speaker 3 But yeah, like ever since then, anytime I can get potatoes and tacos, like there's like a couple places.

Speaker 3 I mean, like Taco Bell does do that, but like there's like other places that like sell mashed potatoes and tacos and stuff like that. I always have to get it because I always think of those.

Speaker 1 Well, they rip me off, man. They rip me off.
You've got to make sure no one's ripping you off, too. Hey, that's a good question.
Good question because you're, sounds like you're onto a market.

Speaker 1 There might be people out there that are like, hey, wait a minute. I'm glad you got the patents.
That's the important thing, especially on the moth. Yeah,

Speaker 3 for that one. Yeah, especially.
Yeah. It's still, yeah, it's still provisional patents.
So it's, you know, rest assured that's sitting on some government office somewhere waiting to get approved.

Speaker 1 So it's right on their desk.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's right there. Yeah.
Sam, it was very cool talking to you. You're very funny and best of luck with your business.
And we're very lucky to have you as a fan.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm lucky to have you guys to listen to because you guys are always on when I'm working on stuff.

Speaker 3 So I say, always save the podcast for when I have like, you know, long days to get through orders.

Speaker 1 So that's very inspired the dildos. We do.
Yeah, you do. There's a little bit of us in that thing.

Speaker 1 Yes, in every single toy.

Speaker 3 And then my one partner wanted me to show you this.

Speaker 1 He made a team cocoa colored. Look at that.

Speaker 1 This is a biomech. Actually, that's exactly what mine looks like.
Oh, my.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm sorry. But I was in an industrial accident when I was nine.

Speaker 1 I was in a pumpkin patch that exploded.

Speaker 1 All right, Sam, we're going to take off, but thank you so much. Take care.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it was nice meeting you all.

Speaker 1 Really cool meeting you, Sam. Bye-bye.
Bye-bye.

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