7 | The Devil Won't Leave Me Alone

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Previously on Crook County. We're reporting this afternoon on the worst commercial air disaster in United States history.
A tragic plane crash gave Ken a new direction. That's when I decided I wanted to be a paramedic firefighter.
I figured that's my career now, I'm going to do this. And Ken fell for a club girl named Honey.
I'd see that big smile on her and everything went away. All the bad stuff went away.
Turf wars broke out across

the city. There was a couple of attempts to take over the clubs.
Yeah, it was a fucking gun battle

that broke out. And amidst all the chaos, Kenny made his exit.
So I knew that was my cue and I

took it. And I was gone.
I was gone. My name is Kyle Tequila.
Welcome to Crook County.

Yeah, Crook County. Yeah, there's no doubt about that.
It's a den of thieves. The administration is a den of thieves.
Technically, I'm out of the mob, but I'm still doing shady shit with the fire department covering the fucking murders. And I raised my family doing that.
Episode 7, The Devil Won't Leave Me Alone. I really wanted to get back into civilian life.
I was ready for it. I was ready for it, man.
I wanted to get back into civilian life. You have to understand that.
No, it's like anything. It's just like, thank God it's here.
I got a job. I'm in a fire department.
I got a job. I got a W-2.
You know? I got to pay taxes. You're on the grid.
Yeah, I'm on the grid, baby.

You know?

I was all excited.

I was so...

Just because I didn't want to expose you guys to any of that shit, man.

To anyone near that shit.

So no, there was no nothing.

I just fell right into it.

It was natural.

Got back together with your mom. lived together, got married.
I said, listen, I just finally decided, listen, I'm going to spend the rest of my life with this girl. I know she wants to have kids, so let's just get this over with.
I'm getting older. I'm with the departments now.
Now I'm with the departments now. I'm with the fire department.
And I says, let's start having a life. Start having a normal life.
You know, he had a Friday night wedding. Big celebration because people are off of work.
You know, it's Friday night. It was a good night to have a wedding, I think.
Everybody's in the party mood. And Kathy was there.
She was one of my bridesmaids. And we were having fun, fun, fun.
And finally, after we were married, and Ken went to Minnesota for his paramedic, you know, training. He was there nine months.
And then he came back. And when he came back, he says, let's start a family.
And that night, you were conceived. It was like bing, bang, boom.
Yeah. And Kyle, my son Kyle, was conceived, and nine months later, on January 29, 1985, I gave birth to a beautiful baby boy.
Had you, and life went on for 18 years or 19 years, 20 years. And life did go on, and it was good.
A few years after I was born, we welcomed baby Cory into the family. Mom retired from work to focus on raising the kids, and Dad was full-time at the firehouse.
It couldn't have been more different from the nightmare Ken was living only a few years prior. Just a regular, boring, suburban family doing regular, boring family shit.
Exactly how he wanted it. I will always say that my childhood was fucking fantastic.
You remember my brother, Corey. Our hockey days, I mean, they would travel fucking hundreds of miles, you know, on weekends.
Get us hotel rooms and, you know, we just, we, at the time, it was bliss. It was perfect.
Well, maybe not exactly perfect. I do remember him beating the shit out of another dad, an opponent's dad.
I couldn't find the specifics, though, on it. Yeah, he got pissed at one of the kids on the other team.
Right, right. Because he was being a little shit.
Sure, yeah. And the dad of that kid was not happy that ken because he ken was coach coach ken he was the coach of your hockey team yeah so the dad on this other team was not happy that ken was calling out his son so he comes sauntering over to the bench to have words with ken and he he tries to dive over the bench like he tries to like jump pull himself up over into the bench like one oh the other guy Yeah, the dad to like jump into the box to go after ken smart and ken just lay the motherfucker out could imagine and um and of course like the whole place is going like bananas at this point like it's pure chaos and then the cops come and the fire department comes and of course naturally well he's a fire walks away there's witnesses he's like he tried to come in my box and protecting my kids and they let him go and they arrested the other guy for assault it's just so amazing he's fucking just out there man holy shit total wild man there were of course those occasional flashes of violence we experienced growing up that were shocking and confusing to us.
But other signs, more subtle, yet even more dangerous, remained unknown to us at the time, even though they were right under our noses. You wanted to keep this away from us.
Oh, God, yes, that was primary. Yeah, and mom.
So I guess just talk about that. You wanted to keep this away from us.
Were there ever times where it got close? Because I remember once where you came home and you had a scar on your shoulder, like a fresh scar on your shoulder. And it was very noticeable because you used to just wear daggo tees all the time.
It's not like you're trying to hide the thing. And...
That was a gunshot. I think I told you I had something removed, like a mole or...
Yeah, a mole. Something removed, but I never had a mole there.
But it was a gunshot. It was a gunshot, yeah.
It was a small caliber gunshot. What happened? I got shot.
I can't remember what that incident was. Fuck, what was that? I'm going to have to really think back on this.
I got shot twice, I got shot in her left arm, I got shot in her right shoulder, and I get them both mixed up. But let me think about this for a minute.
That right there? Yeah, yeah. That scar on your forearm? Came out, uh...
Oh, wow. Came out somewhere over here.
They were both small calipers. This one went all the way through.
That one was buried. One of my shoulder was buried.
It had to be dug out. I don't know how you can forget the details of a gunshot wound, let alone two of them.
But I guess when you've lived the life that he's lived, a couple shots to the arm don't really mean much. The troubling thing is, these bullet wounds happened after I was born.
After he had supposedly left the outfit. Well, I kept it very much away from my boys, and when I got on the fire department finally, I was bound and determined to get out of it completely.
Of course, that never happened. That never really happens.
I asked my mom about these gunshot wounds, and here's what she had to say. I just had no idea, and I'm shocked to this day that he led this double life for so long and without us really knowing about it.
I just think it's so interesting that his job as a firefighter, you know, the hours are 24 on and 48 off. So it's the perfect excuse for him if he had to go do something for the outfit to say, I'm taking an extra shift and be gone for a day or two and go handle that.

And you wouldn't even think twice about it. Exactly.
Yeah. Who knows what he was doing? I have no idea.
I mean, it makes me sick to my stomach, especially when you have children. I mean, my God, I mean, you're just, you're making it so unsafe for your family being in a world like that and doing things like that and jeopardizing your family and our safety.
Because I didn't know this was going on. You know, if I would have known this was going on, I definitely would have said bye-bye and got out of there years ago.
But this is pretty new to me within the last few years. So I can't take back those years, but I just thank God that nothing ever happened to me and my family because of his responsibilities and his horrible ways of life.
So what the hell was happening all that time?

Why is my dad getting shot at if he supposedly left the mob? So I'm working as a paramedic, a firefighter, and just when you think you're away from all this shit, all right, You're done? You're done with all this fucking...

this shady lifestyle?

I'm covering up fucking murders

that these cops are doing.

Just when I think I'm getting out of this shit,

I'm right fucking back in it.

Yeah, I just like...

It's the devil.

It's fucking...

It's following me wherever the fuck I go.

I can't shake this son of a bitch.

He won't fucking leave me alone.

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DOSH cash back terms apply. My name's Mike and I was a partner with your dad at a private ambulance company and at two different fire departments that we worked together at probably over the course of 18 years.
So it was quite a long time together together your dad's the one person i really felt comfortable with you know that feeling because you know sometimes you have a shitty partner and you're on the ambulance and you're thinking well i hope i hope nothing really bad happens today because i'm with this guy you know right but when i was with your dad on the ambulance whether it was at the private ambulance company or at the firehouse, I was like, it doesn't matter what happens because we can handle anything that comes down the pipe. I remember seeing Mike a lot when I was a kid.
Of all my dad's friends, he was my favorite. Sure, he was big and loud and the perfect picture of an 80s-era Chicago firefighter, but I think it's because I've never seen my dad laugh as hard as when he was around his buddy Mike.
Plus, he rocked the best mustache I've probably ever seen. My earliest memory of you, you were small, like three.
You were talking to me. I don't remember what we were talking about.
And your dad was being an ass that day. You said something to me and I said, yeah, that's because daddy's a dick.
And you said, daddy's a dick. And Ken and I could not quit laughing.
You kept repeating, daddy's a dick, daddy's a dick. Your mom was so mad at us for teaching you that.
Ken had only been a firefighter for a year or so before Mike was hired at the same station. But even that early in his career, he had already made a name for himself.
I was brand new EMT. They hired me.
He wasn't there at the time. He was on a vacation in Arizona.
And all these guys were like, yeah, Ken is this great guy and he's a legend and all of this shit they're telling me and I was like okay this guy must practically walk on water you know and he came back from Arizona and he was like telling everybody what to do and I was just watching you know and then one day they paired me up with We were working on the ambulance together. And before we went into a place to take care of a patient, he tells me, I do all the talking.
I call the hospital. I take care of everything.
I'll tell you what to do. You just listen to me and do what I tell you.
And I told him, fuck you, man. I know what I'm doing.
I'm not one of these mopes that you work with here.

I said, I know what's going on. Don't talk to me like that.
And we were friends ever since then. There you go.
I was the first person that stood up to him there.

He tells me a story about Ken's first partner before he and Mike became partners.

He had a partner who was a very strange person. And he was trying to tell Ken what to do.
And Ken was yelling at him. And the guy started screaming at him.
I know, the guy like lost his mind and started screaming at Ken. And Ken grabbed him by the neck and started choking him.
And the guy's head turned purple, and he passed out on the back step of the ambulance. This was the guy that you worked with? Yeah, he was a paramedic that we worked with.
And he just kind of turned, his head turned purple, and he just kind of slumped over on the ambulance bumper. And then he wakes up, you know, your dad let go of his neck and the guy like woke up right away and he goes, you guys saw that? You guys saw that? He assaulted me.
I was like, I don't see nothing. I'm going home.
And all the firemen were like, I didn't see nothing. What happened? We didn't see anything.
He was the little mob boss, huh? Yeah. You know the old saying, you can take the boy out of the mafia, but you can't take the mafia out of the boy.
You know, taking it down a notch is not his specialty either. Once he gets cranked up, he pretty much doesn't care who's there.
He's going to say his piece. With Ken and Mike now partnered up, they quickly acquired a reputation

as bossy and confrontational, and probably a little psychotic. They wouldn't let us work

together anymore. And the firemen were crying.
They went to the chief, and the chief made the

no more Mike and Ken rule, because we weren't allowed to work together on the ambulance anymore.

Rule or not, Mike and Ken are going to what Mike and Ken are gonna do. We would watch Doctor Who together on Sunday nights and then it started getting busy.
On Sunday nights we were having a hard time watching Doctor Who because we would have to do ambulance calls.

So we both decided we weren't going to work Sunday nights anymore

because we wanted to be able to watch Doctor Who uninterrupted.

So they were mad because we told them,

yeah, we can't do any more Sunday nights

because we're missing Doctor Who and it's not right.

So we made our own Mike and Ken rule for that one. Yeah, it's about time.
As fun as it is to hear these old stories, and it really is, it's been an absolute joy catching up with Mike, I now know that missing Doctor Who on a Sunday night was the least of the problems.

And though Ken was no longer in a day-to-day relationship with the outfit,

the crime and corruption of police and officials in Cook County would inevitably make its way back into his life.

So, a cop would fucking kill somebody, whether by accident or out of anger i don't know anyway you'd kill a civilian but and here's the sick twist here man ken's got to come in as a paramedic listen to the story that the cops are sticking to and then i have to take i have to look at the injuries of the dead guy and tailor their story to fit the fucking injuries and i gotta document this shit in a million fucking years that i ever think that was going to happen i i mean i mean who even thinks of shit like that was this just a given part of your new career now? Or like were you getting paid? No, no, no. No, this is the culture.
This is the culture. This is the part of my job.
That's part of the job. I asked Mike what he thinks about this.
It's kind of, you know, a hard thing to deal with, but that's how everything worked at that time. One of the ones that stands out to me was, there was a cop and he was wasted and he crashed into a car and he hurt the people in their car real bad.
And usually, you know, that would result in tickets and an arrest and stuff. And the cops, our cops came over and told us, don't mention that you smelled alcohol on this guy's breast or anything.
Don't put it in your report. Don't mention it to the hospital.
We don't want to get this guy in trouble. And I was like, he hurt people.
He's wasted and he hurt people. And they were like, don't do it.
And you know, you know they did the wrong thing and no one's going to hold them accountable for it. He tells me a few other awful stories of police brutality.
But this next one was so cruel and vile. It truly shocked me.
We had a guy and he was huge. He was like a 400 pound guy, you know, like 22, 23 years old who worked in the hospital cafeteria at a hospital in that area.
And we knew this guy. He was a nice kid, you know.
He didn't ever hurt anybody. And he went to the bar one night, and these off-duty cops were harassing him and force-feeding him shots.
And then they strapped a feed bag on him and made him eat out of a feed bag. And they were forcing food down his throat.
And they were just torturing the kid.

And then the kid went home and passed out, laid on his back in the kitchen, and just kept vomiting. So he aspirated and he died.
and

that was another one where they were like

just put the facts into the thing leave out you know any hearsay like you know off-duty cops were involved or anything don't even mention that Your dad was furious that they bullied that kid and basically killed him. And there was no way to prove it.
You know, there's nothing we could do to prove it. They killed the kid.
They killed a young man. They ended his life.
And he never hurt anybody. That's the thing.
It's not like he was a terrible person or something. He was a nice kid, you know, that never hurt anyone.
Now I got, you know, you know, so, so Ken's going to die one day. So, and now Ken's got to talk, you know, sitting in front of the big guy and try to explain his way out of this one.

All right.

You know, where I had every fucking opportunity in the world to do the right thing.

But I chose not to.

I mean, it wasn't much of a choice, though, was it?

I had a family, Kyle.

You guys were born.

You know, I had a family to fucking raise.

I'm not going to jeopardize my family. At first, I didn't understand why covering up murders for these crooked cops would be a required part of the job.
And even more, how not doing it could jeopardize our family. But Jeff Cohen of the Chicago Tribune isn't surprised and shared an interesting perspective on this sad reality.
There was a significant issue in Chicago where the outfit had infiltrated the police department. They had operatives, you know, all the way up to, you know, there was a guy who went down in a case who was the chief of detectives who wound up running his own sort of jewel theft ring.
I mean, they had major, major corruption problems related to organized crime. And so they could basically operate with impunity, more or less.
And it got so bad in Cook County that you actually had a criminal court judge who threw a murder case on a guy who was in the outfit. So it went all the way to sort of cross the threshold that a lot of people never thought that it could get to.
Yeah, Crook County. Yeah, there's no doubt about that.
It's a den of thieves. The administration is a den of thieves.
But these abuses aren't just a symptom of the Chicago crime family's clause within law enforcement. Because there's another family with their own set of rules that enabled these types of injustices to thrive.
So the brotherhood of the cops, you know, and you're so dependent on them. They saved my life a bunch of times that I wouldn't even be here today if I hadn't stayed on the right side of that, you know, because you don't want to be the guy that they're like, oh, they know you're working on this ambulance and then you're calling for police to come help you and they go slow because that could happen.
I don't want to be the guy that they go slow to save their life, you know. So it's really a hard place and it's a tough decision to make and you've got to live with it.
For some people, you know, that don't really have like a soul or conscience, that's easy. You know, those are hard decisions to live with.
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Dosh Cashback Terms apply. You know, the other side of this is, and I don't know if you know any of this stuff, you know, he was a very private guy, but did you know of any of his involvement in organized crime? I know that he was in Cook County Jail prior to when I met him because he left his wallet on laying on the dresser.
He threw his wallet on the dresser at the private ambulance company in the room where we would sleep. And he had a inmate card, you know, for when he was out on parole after getting out of jail.
And I was like, okay.

So that's one of the things I asked him about.

And he gave me very little detail on it.

I think he said like two sentences.

And then that story was done.

He had said something about pimping for the outfit. and he wasn't going to do that stuff anymore.
And that was it. That was the end of the conversation.
He didn't want to say another word about it, and I already knew him well enough to not ask another question about it, because I wasn't going to get anything anyway. Yeah, that was a charge for a keeper of a house of prostitution.
Right. I actually read about it in the paper, you know, when it went down, when they busted the place.
But, you know, and then he told me about it and it didn't click in my mind till like a year later, you know, that that was probably the same thing, you know. Mike tells me there were other hints, too, that Ken was probably connected.
One incident in particular took place at my parents' wedding, which was right around the time Mike and my dad became partners, and a year before I was born. I actually went to their wedding and the reception.
I was a little drunk and got in a confrontation with some very Italian people there. Oh, boy.
Yeah. And there was a guy with the...
I remember this guy. He was a smaller guy, you know.
And he had a shiny suit. He had a very shiny, silvery suit.
And I was laughing about it, and I was telling the people at my table how he's a fatigatti. That's a word that my sister and I use for real Italian people.
We call them fatigattis, you know. What do you mean? Huh? Do you know what that means? No.
I don't know what it means. I think it's just a made-up word.
Oh, Fatagati. He's a Fatagati.

Yeah, right.

You know, so that's what we call him.

And he heard me say it, and he thought I was making fun of him,

so he came over and got confrontational with me,

so I was off my chair in a hot second

and got confrontational right back with him.

Then his friends started coming over,

and then the people I was sitting with were getting off their chairs. And I remember your dad coming over and diffusing the whole thing.
Yeah, because that was about to get ugly, and that's not the thing to do at a wedding reception. It happens.
It happens more than you would possibly think. I've been on that call a bunch of times where a wedding reception turned

into a brawl or a stabbing. And he didn't, I don't think he wanted his wedding reception to be that.

So he came over and intervened. And I don't know if he thought he was saving my life or what, but

you know. Those are probably some pretty serious people.
Yeah, but I was young and strong and good for the scrap back in those days,

and I was willing to get in it too.

Whether Mike was good for the scrap or not,

from what I've learned about my father's past,

I think Mike was right.

Ken probably did save his life that day.

And as close as Mike and Ken were,

I'm certain that my father did whatever he could to keep that dark world away from his friend, just like he kept it away from us, even though it was circling right overhead. I was working full-time as a firefighter paramedic and raising my family, but I was still connected.
And I always had that pendulum swinging over my fucking head that I could be called in at any time. And I was called in a couple of times.
But I always had to keep that on the deal. I mean, no one could work, couldn't know, family couldn't know.
Nobody could know.

I can remember heading off to work with the fire department still.

And I'm on the Eisenhower Expressway.

I see him.

That fucking guinea fuck.

And I know who he is.

He's a soldier, but he's a higher-end soldier.

I've had experiences with him in the past and I never liked him never appreciated him

never even wanted to recognize him as a human fucking being

and that was my mission to snuff the fucking life out of this guy next week on Crook County You saw me, he spun out of control, and the race was on. That's how simple it can be to murder somebody.
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Ever wondered what you would do if you found yourself lost in the wild, in the desert, the jungle, or the mountains? Would you make the right choices to stay alive? Introducing Real Survival Stories, the new podcast from Noisa. These are the astonishing tales of ordinary people thrown into extraordinary situations.
People suddenly forced to fight for their lives. How the heck did I get here and how the heck am I going to get out of here? Am I going to be a pile of bones in the Australian outback or am I going to make it out? I heard the nylon dragging against the ice,

so I was going faster and faster.

Zzz, zzz, zzz.

And all of a sudden, boom!

This is the worst place you can be in a lightning storm.

I didn't know if I'd make it through the night.

If I live until morning, I will live my greatest dreams.