Inside the Investigation with Payne Lindsey, Dennis Cooper, and Kyle Tekiela

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Speaker 20 Hey, it's Payne Lindsay here.

Speaker 20 A few months ago, live from the Tinderfoot stage at CrimeCon, I got a chance to sit down down and talk to Kyle Tequila, host of Crook County, and Dennis Cooper, the host of Culpable.

Speaker 20 We discussed both of their true crime podcasts, but also dove a lot deeper into how these shows are actually made. I hope you enjoy my conversation with these two amazing podcasters.

Speaker 21 These guys are true crime podcasters like me.

Speaker 22 They have their own investigations and stories that they've told. I'm huge fans of theirs and I've known them for a long time.

Speaker 22 I think we all have kind of our own unique experience in this space and also like a lot of similarities.

Speaker 23 And I just kind of want to just rip it open with, I'll start with you, Kyle.

Speaker 6 For those who don't know,

Speaker 23 what is this, just the log line of your story, your podcast, and sure,

Speaker 25 you came to us years ago and I was like, okay, holy shit, we're making a podcast about this.

Speaker 23 But for those who don't know, tell them what the premise is.

Speaker 9 Yeah, Kirk County is a story of my dad who lived a secret double life as a Chicago mafia hitman. And the whole family, including myself and my mother, didn't know about it.

Speaker 9 He kept it secret from all of us for 30 something years. And I found out when I was like 29.
I was already married. I was already planning on having a kid.

Speaker 9 And now I have this bombshell dropped in my lap. So what am I supposed to do with this information? And so it took me years to kind of digest all of that.

Speaker 9 And then I started recording just for posterity, just for family archives and then as time went on and the more footage I got of him it just started to come together like it just needed to be something bigger than just a family thing it needed to be a show so

Speaker 21 I've watched the Sopranos and stuff like that I mean I like Goodfellas I like mafia style movies I don't know what it's like for it to be a true story.

Speaker 25 I mean, because a part of me is like, that's badass, but that's definitely not what you thought, correct?

Speaker 9 Well, what's weird is I still don't know what it's like. Okay.
Because I grew up with like, he was just a firefighter paramedic in my eyes. Like, we had no idea.

Speaker 9 So we lived like normal, boring, suburban lives, right?

Speaker 9 It wasn't like we knew that he was this big mafia hitman growing up and he had a reputation around town and everyone knew we were like mafia, you know, kids. Like that's not how it was at all.

Speaker 9 We just thought we were a regular family. So it's weird knowing now that that whole part of my life was kind of like a lie and that there was always danger around every corner.

Speaker 9 Like, if he did something, he fucked up, like, that could have come back on us, but we had no idea. So, that's crazy to think about.

Speaker 22 What was your first reaction, and where have you settled?

Speaker 9 Yeah, my first reaction was, you're full of shit. Like, are you insane? Have you lost your mind?

Speaker 9 Now, mind you, he was also like, I put him through rehab and I got him clean, so he was a heroin addict. So, I'm like, is this some like heroin, like, fever dream? Like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 18 What happened in that rehab I put you in?

Speaker 3 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 9 So,

Speaker 9 yeah, it wasn't an ayahuasca trip, was it?

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 9 So, but over time, as he started telling me more and more of the story, and it became this huge, like, you know, full of details and full of life, and, you know, I'm starting to verify things with people that he grew up with and other family members who didn't know but kind of knew that he had, like, a dark side.

Speaker 9 And it all started to make sense, like, oh, this actually is real. I don't know how much is real, but it's real.
Like, there's enough there that's real.

Speaker 9 So I just started diving in and doing the work, and eventually we got Crook County out of the deal.

Speaker 6 So to sum it up, at this point in time, how do you feel about it, actually?

Speaker 24 Are you mad? Are you...

Speaker 9 You know, if he wasn't such a fuck-up, pardon my French,

Speaker 9 and it didn't, like...

Speaker 9 The mafia thing didn't destroy the family. His heroin addiction destroyed the family.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 9 So I'm pissed that he's a degenerate heroin addict.

Speaker 9 and that the dynamic of our family is like gone because is that associated with the with the double life he was living well I mean he was always like I mean he's around narcotics and cocaine and booze all the time and he's you know it's just I can't imagine the stress and guilt you could feel at being someone who's killed people multiple people like that had to weigh on him

Speaker 9 and so you self-medicate right but it got really bad because as a firefighter he was in a really bad accident and then they gave him all these painkillers to deal with the surgeries and that's when everything escalated as far as his addiction is concerned and that's like when you get to the point.

Speaker 21 You feel like the legal form first, and then it just became an absolute.

Speaker 9 Exactly. Then you had to hit the streets after they cut him off.
So it's like, I'm more mad that that happened.

Speaker 9 But now it's like, I guess I'm grateful that we didn't get the mafia blowback as a kid. Like, I'm grateful that whatever he did didn't come back on us.
So it's a weird, full of very contracting

Speaker 12 emotions.

Speaker 25 You know, I've covered dozens of stories, but they've never been about

Speaker 21 my family, right?

Speaker 21 Yeah, sure.

Speaker 25 And so that's got to be a completely different beast. And so I think that one kudos to you for,

Speaker 18 I mean, I'm sure maybe it's even therapeutic in some weird way to sort of like put it down and like, I don't know, is it a processing part of that?

Speaker 9 I mean, it took me years to make it for a reason. Yeah.
Because I needed that time to process it. And because the whole time I'm also investigating, I'm learning new information.

Speaker 9 I'm getting new stories out of of him.

Speaker 9 I'm interviewing people. I'm

Speaker 9 getting more raw emotions from people.

Speaker 9 And so it took a long time to, I'm like editing and putting a story together and also processing things at the same time. Then I take a break.

Speaker 9 Then I edit a little bit and then I process and I take a break.

Speaker 9 But yeah, now that it's all done, it's extremely cathartic. Like I feel like that monkey's off my back now and it's no longer my burden like it was.

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Speaker 25 Let's start with just a couple of season 1, like you getting into True Crying Podcasting,

Speaker 23 just

Speaker 13 that journey.

Speaker 30 Yeah, so not a personal story so much, you know, working with strangers on the contrary, but

Speaker 30 as you know, I mean, you were a big inspiration for me.

Speaker 30 I just pretty much heard what you did and thought I could probably steal that formula.

Speaker 13 Oh, yeah, that guy, I can do better than that guy.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you know, so

Speaker 3 he did. And he did so much better.
He did.

Speaker 30 That's what I've been saying.

Speaker 3 I've been trying to tell you guys.

Speaker 30 But yeah, no, I just,

Speaker 30 funny enough, I never intended on doing this. It was just something that, you know, I thought was really cool and I was inspired by what you did.
I thought maybe I could. And

Speaker 30 to shorten a long story, I learned about Christian Andraakio's case at CrimeCon of all places, which is why I always love coming to this.

Speaker 30 I always love seeing so many people out here and seeing these people, you know, pass out their loved ones flyers, just trying to get attention on it because,

Speaker 30 you know, ultimately at the end of the day, you want to solve these cases that you follow but a big part of it too is just getting them the attention that they need and deserve and so it was 2018 CrimeCon Nashville and got a flyer from one of his family members about his case and contacted Ray Andriacchio and the rest of his history from them.

Speaker 22 Telling the story of an unsolved case and you're basically trying to pick up where investigators left off and move the needle.

Speaker 18 Tell me from your perspective what that's actually like.

Speaker 30 Well it's tough. I mean there's there's so many layers to it.
You know just to go back to the start of your question about picking up the pieces where they've been left off. You know

Speaker 30 oftentimes that's the problem with these cases. That's why they remain unsolved is because that attention dies off.

Speaker 30 police department or sheriff's office moves on to new cases and this one is just getting colder and colder by the day and so

Speaker 30 you know also these are more often than not open cases. So it's not something that you can just walk in there and see the whole book on it and all the investigative work that went into it.

Speaker 30 You're really,

Speaker 30 like you alluded to, more than anything starting from scratch. Now, fortunately, in season one of Culpable,

Speaker 30 Christian's mother, Ray, was

Speaker 8 just a warrior,

Speaker 30 a bulldog of sorts, as I referred to her.

Speaker 3 And she,

Speaker 30 you know, for years was like, I'm not going to give up on this. I'm going to get to the bottom of this.
And so,

Speaker 30 you know, I had a leg up in a sense of that I knew some information going into it.

Speaker 30 But for different reasons,

Speaker 30 the authorities there did not have any interest

Speaker 30 opening up the doors anymore on that or working with us in any capacity. And that's still something I think all of us struggle with to this day.

Speaker 30 I know you just had some of that in your most recent season.

Speaker 30 It's just, I think a lot of them are still warming up to the idea of people like us coming in and trying to help them, essentially, at the end of the day.

Speaker 30 But then on the personal side, it's a different kind of struggle because

Speaker 30 I do want to have a personal connection. I do want to connect with the family and meet them on an emotional level.
I've always been a natural, you know, just empathizer.

Speaker 30 And so I have no problem making those connections. Where I struggle is,

Speaker 30 you know, it's sensitive material, and

Speaker 30 they can't write these stories.

Speaker 21 These are our stories

Speaker 30 about their loved one. And so that balance is always a struggle.
It's always a struggle of knowing what to say and how to best say it in a way that's

Speaker 30 caring and concerning of their emotions, but also getting the truth out there.

Speaker 25 What's actually the hardest part about it?

Speaker 24 genuinely?

Speaker 22 Or maybe even not even when you're doing it, but like afterwards and sort of like, you know, I was told by Mark Smerling, who did the Jinx

Speaker 25 six, seven years ago, and at the time I didn't even fully get what he meant.

Speaker 24 He said, these stories never leave you.

Speaker 21 And I was like,

Speaker 3 right.

Speaker 13 I was like, what do you mean?

Speaker 25 He's like, they never leave you. He starts talking about cases he did 25 years ago.

Speaker 26 I was like, I still talk to this people.

Speaker 22 And I'm like,

Speaker 8 you're right.

Speaker 22 And like, I'd only been eight months into investigating Terra Grinse's disappearance.

Speaker 23 And I was like, I guess it's going to be like part of my life forever.

Speaker 13 What does that even mean?

Speaker 28 But it's true.

Speaker 30 Yeah, it's very true. I can't really put it a better way than you just did.
I mean, I think in.

Speaker 30 Well, you should. I'm going to do my best.

Speaker 3 I mean, it's like,

Speaker 30 I didn't know this going into it either.

Speaker 30 When I decided to do season one of Culpable,

Speaker 30 I just thought it was like, talk to who needs to be talked to. Figure out what you can figure out, write a story, record it.

Speaker 18 Fortunately, I know.

Speaker 28 You're like, that guy didn't do it.

Speaker 8 I could do that shit.

Speaker 30 I underestimated it.

Speaker 21 You fucked around and found out.

Speaker 3 I fucked around and found out.

Speaker 30 Yeah, you're like, damn. And then I'm like, pass trauma too on that.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Like,

Speaker 30 it is a long journey, an emotional journey.

Speaker 30 I mean,

Speaker 30 I'm pretty sure I've shaved years off my own life, but again, it's not a pity party.

Speaker 3 You're right.

Speaker 30 I'm fortunate to be able to do this, and I love doing this.

Speaker 30 But man, it's a lot.

Speaker 30 And I didn't realize when I signed a contract to do that show that in a way I was signing a contract with the family of like

Speaker 30 we're in this together forever essentially

Speaker 30 and that's that's really what it was I mean I just I just I just

Speaker 30 contacted Ray Andriacchio just about a month or so ago and and we kind of did a follow-up and put an episode out about it and we're talking like what's new and you know do we need to do some other follow-up and this and that and it's just you know and we're talking about our families and stuff.

Speaker 30 It's not just about the victim. I mean, we're meeting on a more personal level.

Speaker 25 You look around and see other true crime podcasts and they're mostly not about their own personal story about their dad being, living some double life.

Speaker 26 So what was your approach and the closeness that you had with that and how you delicately...

Speaker 25 I mean, because there's a level of vulnerability there I can only imagine was kind of just weird and like maybe uncomfortable.

Speaker 9 100%.

Speaker 9 You know, like at first it's it's a story about my dad.

Speaker 9 And then as I'm recording and I'm asking myself questions and I'm contemplating and I'm mulling all this stuff over, I'm going, well no, it's much more than that.

Speaker 9 It's a story about like what happened to my mom too. And it's also a story about what happened to my brother, which means it's a story about what happened to me.

Speaker 9 So it's like, I'm like going through all these mental like exercises and trying to figure this out. And at a certain point I said, I have to put myself into this story.

Speaker 9 You kind of just have to be completely shameless and like get rid of the ego.

Speaker 9 And if you,

Speaker 9 you know, there are times when I felt like I was really weak and I made weak decisions because I was young and immature.

Speaker 9 You know, you almost have to take a step back and like, I become a character in my own story, but I'm not that character. I am that character, but I have to treat it like

Speaker 3 I'm the director of

Speaker 30 how you got here. Right.

Speaker 9 So it's a weird exercise, but like... And it was hard at first or awkward at first, but over time it becomes second nature.
And then by the end of it, it's just, like, I don't care at all.

Speaker 9 I completely wear my heart in my sleeve. Like, I will say exactly what I'm thinking.
I don't care if you don't like me.

Speaker 9 But, like, you know, in contrast to what you guys do, I'm not treating it like a procedural crime

Speaker 9 that I have to solve. I'm treating it like I am telling a very deep, intense story with a million different layers, and I have to do it.

Speaker 9 And I have to do it authentically, and I have to do it in a way that is going to make the family proud. That family just happens to be my family.

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Speaker 18 The human curiosity is at the core, like a relatable thing.

Speaker 13 Oh, for sure.

Speaker 22 And absolutely.

Speaker 25 That manifests in different ways.

Speaker 6 So for you, Dennis, like

Speaker 25 how do you creatively keep going when it already is a lot of pressure from a

Speaker 23 cold case standpoint?

Speaker 25 And there's people saying, you suck, you got it wrong. And the family's like, I don't know if you're right.

Speaker 21 And the law enforcement is like, don't come over here.

Speaker 30 Yeah. Right? Well, I think ultimately it's just enjoying

Speaker 30 what you do and being passionate about it. I mean, like you said, none of us really have the qualifications, you could say, to be in here, whatever those qualifications are.

Speaker 3 I don't.

Speaker 9 Kyle, I definitely don't.

Speaker 3 No, for sure.

Speaker 18 If hair were to be a qualification, you do.

Speaker 8 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 9 I have a PhD.

Speaker 3 You do.

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Speaker 30 But yeah, just, you know.

Speaker 30 Being passionate about it. That's why I love making connections with families is I think that kind of helps keep you going, making a very deep connection with the victim

Speaker 30 and knowing, like, I'm in this for the long haul, no matter how hard it gets.

Speaker 30 But, you know, I'm kind of like, I think if you peeled back all of our layers, I'm sure there's something there that points to why we're here.

Speaker 30 I mean, as a college dropout, I probably shouldn't be here, but at the same time, like, I was, as a kid, I

Speaker 30 did watch Survivor, I was not filming anybody,

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Speaker 30 I did not pursue that as a career in any sort of way.

Speaker 30 But it worked out nonetheless, I guess you could say.

Speaker 30 So yeah, but I think ultimately it's like you said, making something that you would want to listen to.

Speaker 30 Because as you know, having made it yourself, and I listened to it as a fan, what, seven years ago or whatever it was, like...

Speaker 30 You clearly didn't sound like you knew what the hell you were doing, you know?

Speaker 3 Clearly. Clearly.
Clearly.

Speaker 13 How clearly was that to you?

Speaker 30 It sounded like you were walking around with a zoom.

Speaker 28 I'm going to do exactly what that guy did.

Speaker 30 It sounded like you were walking around with a Zoom recorder, walking up to people, saying, hey, do you know anything about this?

Speaker 21 That was like 25% of it.

Speaker 30 But at the same time, it made it seem attainable and also made me realize, like, damn, you can...

Speaker 30 You can convey a lot and you can tell a really compelling story by just having your heart in it

Speaker 30 and through audio only.

Speaker 30 And that amazed me as somebody who was always fascinated with watching true crime and growing up watching shows like Dateline 2020 and watching every documentary that was out there to learn that there was this medium where it had no visual representation but yet you could feel like you were in a movie was like, well damn, I want to do that.

Speaker 30 That sounds really cool and easier, honestly. Like I don't know how to work a camera.
That would be a whole nother thing to try to learn. So

Speaker 30 you know I just try to master that and

Speaker 30 keep my heart in it until the end with the stories I tell.

Speaker 6 In the future going forward in any any other project you do,

Speaker 24 how are you approaching it differently or what have you learned and what do you want to bring forward for

Speaker 6 your own work in this space?

Speaker 30 Doing different seasons of Culpable means you can pick a different case each time and with that opens the door to all different possibilities. This newest season of Culpable is very different in that

Speaker 30 right when I started to produce it,

Speaker 30 some events happened and I obtained the case file to this case and beyond that there was all these different recordings and stuff from way back in 1998 which has been really cool to utilize and work with and with something very different than I did in past seasons.

Speaker 30 So I mean I think in some ways like each story just being different, each victim being different, each family being different, each expert you talk to, it opens possibilities, like different creative avenues.

Speaker 30 Because I'm like you as a creative, you definitely don't ever want to get stuck in a lane or feel like you're just doing the same thing over and over and over. It drives me nuts.

Speaker 6 You also want to look like you're doing like your best still, right?

Speaker 30 Yeah, like, yeah, just coming up with.

Speaker 27 Not getting lazy.

Speaker 25 Yeah, like you're complacent with like, yeah,

Speaker 3 more of these.

Speaker 8 For sure. It's like, that's not what this is, right?

Speaker 30 And that's why also deep down, I mean, I also would like to break out at some point and try something different. You know, I messaged you when High Strange came out and was like, man.

Speaker 21 You're like, take me on a UFO ride, please.

Speaker 3 All right.

Speaker 30 It didn't sound quite as emotionally exhausting. You know what I mean? It's just like, it's different.

Speaker 13 That is very true.

Speaker 30 So I think at some point, too, I'd like to try to branch out and do some different types of projects like that.

Speaker 13 And you should.

Speaker 25 I think that your storytelling skill set

Speaker 22 could live in so many different lanes.

Speaker 25 And I think that's what it takes sometimes to even

Speaker 21 get this sort of energy back where I've gone through, whoa, man, I have to

Speaker 18 heal

Speaker 3 after

Speaker 22 being in the trenches with something.

Speaker 30 I was going to say, do you have have to take a vacation after you finish this?

Speaker 26 It's like it kind of just builds up where

Speaker 25 I don't even realize it's gotten so bad.

Speaker 8 Who am I?

Speaker 3 I usually notice that. I don't think the bags are in the middle.

Speaker 30 The bags under the eyes is always the dead giveaway. When you start seeing those, when you look in the mirror,

Speaker 3 it's like, that's not good.

Speaker 28 You're like, but I did sleep.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 25 It's just a,

Speaker 22 you learn that through time. And you got to

Speaker 26 take care of yourself to be able to do something,

Speaker 18 especially about anyone else.

Speaker 21 And

Speaker 9 keeping that. 100%.
You've got to be on your game, otherwise you're going to do a disservice to whatever the story is.

Speaker 8 Right, or you shouldn't be doing this. So there's like a pressure there.
Yeah. For sure.

Speaker 9 I mean, that's another thing, too, but like some of the stuff that, I don't know if you've done this in years, but like you were doing stuff that was like live. Like you were editing and then like

Speaker 9 the next episode's not done to when it's releasing next week. Like that's got to be insane.

Speaker 18 It's important to sort of like check yourself, balance yourself,

Speaker 25 to make sure you're doing it the right way.

Speaker 9 You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, there's a rule I learned in Hollywood a long time ago: nobody knows what they're doing, and nobody knows what they're talking about, no matter how successful.

Speaker 9 And I think to some degree that's extremely true. Right.
You know, and so you just, you can't beat yourself up if you're trying to do your own thing.

Speaker 9 You just got to go and do it and believe in yourself, and just persistence is key, and just keep cranking away, and like, it'll just start to make sense, and it'll just start to get good.

Speaker 9 If it's not good yet, it will if you just keep working at it. And I think that's what makes us a little crazy.
You kind of have to be a little crazy to do what we do.

Speaker 21 Yeah, a little bit, because like not everyone's going to be like, yes, correct. Right?

Speaker 8 Like, there's a period of time where everyone's like, I don't really get what he's doing, to be honest.

Speaker 23 And you got to push through that part.

Speaker 13 And you're like, damn, maybe they're right.

Speaker 8 I shouldn't be doing any of this shit.

Speaker 18 Right?

Speaker 18 But, like,

Speaker 25 that applies with anything.

Speaker 9 But also, no, but no, fuck those people, because you believe in yourself. So just do what you want to do.
That's true.

Speaker 27 So don't be in the middle.

Speaker 28 I'm like, wow, this guy just doesn't care about anybody.

Speaker 23 Just fuck us.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Really?

Speaker 9 He's so self-definite. I just realized I'm swearing a lot in this panel.
I apologize.

Speaker 3 Dude, it's fucking fine.

Speaker 34 I'm from Chicago.

Speaker 3 Don't even fucking worry about it, bro.

Speaker 21 This is fucking Grime God, dude.

Speaker 22 Thank you guys for sitting here and listening to us talk shit for a little while.

Speaker 22 This has been really enjoyable.

Speaker 25 Hopefully you guys were

Speaker 25 at least mildly entertained or you learned something or at least you're like, okay, I'm never fucking with those guys again.

Speaker 13 I don't know. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Thanks for joining us. Yeah.

Speaker 19 Cheers, y'all.

Speaker 22 thanks for listening this conversation was live from crime con with kyle tequila and dennis cooper if you haven't already be sure to check out crook county and the new season of culpable and stay tuned for some exciting new shows coming very soon from tenderfoot

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Speaker 45 Our producer Riley says we're giving something else. So, what are we doing today, Riley?

Speaker 44 Today, we're playing a little game.

Speaker 19 Hello, hello, game!

Speaker 33 Game, says the man.

Speaker 46 I'll bought special gifts for you guys from eBay. Each one picked with one of you in mind.
Yeah, Dakota, if you want to guess.

Speaker 25 All right, there is a gift at my feet.

Speaker 11 Open that thing.

Speaker 13 And now it is in my hands.

Speaker 3 Oh,

Speaker 45 I feel like it's got to be our resident gamer keyoff.

Speaker 33 This is the rectangle of childhood.

Speaker 11 It's a portable game console.

Speaker 25 I used to have this as a kid.

Speaker 11 This game console, I used to play all the time.

Speaker 30 And you know, when your mom came into the room when you were a kid and like you're pretending to sleep.

Speaker 19 But Riley, what a thoughtful gift. Yeah, right.

Speaker 33 Thank you so much.

Speaker 19 Riley, you're crushing it.

Speaker 16 But we have one more gift.

Speaker 19 Yeah, we got another one. Go ahead and grab it.
Let's open it.

Speaker 3 Boom. Oh, camera.

Speaker 19 Yeah, an old tiny camera. That's right.

Speaker 33 Classic. This is awesome.
Yeah.

Speaker 16 Because you know how I love to take pictures on my travels.

Speaker 9 Yeah, you're always somewhere.

Speaker 16 Whether it's in Kyrgyzstan with some nomad or just New York, you know, with a nice little piece of trash or a wrap.

Speaker 19 Nice little headset.

Speaker 33 I'm taking pictures with the birds.

Speaker 33 So, Riley, you got all of this from eBay?

Speaker 46 Dude, eBay, it was really fun finding it with you guys. Like, I had very specific things for each one of you.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

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