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Previously on Crook County. I got recruited into the mob when I was 17 years old.
After two years in the outfit, Kenny was on his way up. He trusted me because I didn't steal money.
I just did my job. It's hard to find an honest guy in the fucking outfit.
He got a new boss. My crew boss was Jack.
Jack, Jackie Lemons Erickson. He ran the whorehouses.
And Kenny got a new job, working the door at a brothel. A guy would come in.
I'd introduce him to all the girls by name. They would negotiate a deal.
She would hand me half to take, and then she would be on her way. And then one night, he met a girl.
I think I was 19. I met her.
She was 20. Saw her sitting at the end of the bar.
I fell in love with her pretty quick. That pretty little redhead at the bar was my mother.

My name is Kyle Tequila.

Welcome to Crook County. I'm crushed by the wind.

I'm tired.

I sleep cause I'm living a life.

Lost in the waves.

Lost in the waves, lost in the waves.

We would have to take bus every once in a while, just so Cook County cops could, you know, show that they're making some progress here. And those were all arranged buss, okay, Ken, it's your turn.
Oh, man.

When half the motherfuckers were running their own hordes on the side out of our fucking clubs.

Episode four, Keeper of a House of Prostitution.

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He's the best. Hey man, he's great.
He's the king out there. John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever.
I'm watching the trailer to the 1977 box office monster, Saturday Night Fever. Believe it or not, I've actually never seen this movie, which obviously is a huge mistake because it looks hilarious.
I mean, like a dance with you, but you know, you're not my dream girl, nothing like that. A 23-year-old unknown actor named John Travolta with his trademark cleft chin strutting around Brooklyn in silk and polyester, dancing up a storm every night, to what has become the second highest selling soundtrack of all time, just behind the Bodyguard soundtrack.
Fuck, that is a good song. Oh, and how wild is this? The Bee Gees didn't even write these cultural defining songs until after the movie was filmed

because the producers couldn't license the original music.

So they scrambled and begged the Bee Gees to write a few songs on spec,

which they didn't even want to do

because they were in the middle of recording their album

in some studio in France.

So they basically threw together four songs in a weekend

to get it over with.

Those four songs? Night Fever,

If I Can't Have You,

More Than a Woman,

and of course, Stayin' Alive. Ooh, if that shit don't make you want to get up and dance, then I can't help you.
I can't help you, brother. Anyway, the reason I'm even going down this rabbit hole in the first place is because apparently Saturday Night Fever might as well be a documentary of my parents' relationship in their first few years.
I'll let my mom explain this one. One of our songs would come on and we'd run out to the dance floor because we're so excited because we can dance so good together.
We're like John Travolta. I was going

to say, that was just what I was thinking. I'm like, believe me, it was Saturday Night

Fever. It was.
That's just what it was like. How those two would practice and then they

would go on the dance floor and people would just like separate, move away and watch us

dance. That's how it was.
People were even throwing money at us at one time on the floor. But I think that was about, they wanted you to take your clothes off.
I do. That other voice is my mom's childhood friend, Kathy, who was with my mom a lot during those disco days.
So yeah, so we continued to do that like two, three, maybe even four times a week. And it was just fun, fun, fun.
Were you 20? You were sneaking in?

You were underage, Jill?

Yes, uh-huh.

Okay.

I still got served.

Okay, well, absolutely.

Well, because they always let the pretty girls in.

And the way that I actually know Holly is I knew your grandma before I knew Holly,

and I will tell you this.

Your mother used to walk in with $5 in her pocket,

and she'd leave with $5 in her pocket. She never had to buy a cocktail.
Something's never changed. She never had to do anything.
And one of the times when we were out, and I have no idea why, but your father came up and asked me to dance. So, and he was quite the dancer.
We had seen him on the floor. We had all commented, all three of us.
And the three of us meaning your grandma. So when we came off the dance floor, I said, come with me.
I have someone I'd like you to meet. And he's like, really? And I said, Holly, this is Ken.
Ken, this is Holly. Go dance your socks off off, basically.
Maybe those weren't the exact words. And I pushed her off her bar stool, and as they say, the rest is history.
That's amazing. So it's all your fault.
Yes, it is. Let's see how my dad remembers it.
Yeah, I was 19 years old. I was over at fucking a disco called some other place.
So I was sitting at the bar. She was sitting at the end of the bar with her mother, of course.
And I saw her, and I was just, whoa, nice little redhead there. And I kind of dug her.
And I walked up to her, just started talking. And that's how we met.
That simple. In a bar.
But that's how we met back then. We didn't meet online like everybody meets online now.
You actually had to go out and do something back in my day. I mean, you actually had to give it some effort.
You actually had to walk and sit out and talk to somebody. Look them in their eyes and talk to them.
All right, close enough. What happened next? He called me almost like the next day and asked me out on a date.
It took me about three months, though, to actually really, really like the guy.

Because that summer, when I met Ken,

I was also dating this other guy

from the complex I was living in,

the guy that I was dating before I met Ken,

and somebody else.

So it was like an awesome summer for me.

We don't know who my real father is. That's what I was going to say.
Okay, let's wrap this up, please. He lived with some guys in an apartment.
We would go back to the apartment, and there'd be people all over the place, you know, so it wasn't very romantic. But one night, nobody was there, and it was just like he lit all these candles and he had Pink Floyd playing on the record player back in the day.
Which every time that song comes on here? Us and Them. Us, us, us, us And them I remember or he was wearing cut-off little jean shorts

and his wife beater tank top.

And he had really nice legs.

And he had long, curly hair to his shoulders.

I don't know, he just looked really sexy that night.

And that's the night.

After six months, he proposed to me.

And I was, he was 19, and I was 20.

And, of course, I said yes, because I guess when I fall in love, I fall really deep. Even though Ken had put a ring on her finger, they basically acted like kids who were dating.
She was still living at home with her mom. Ken had his own apartment.
They had their own separate lives and only spent a few days a week together. Eventually, Holly started hearing things from friends who had seen Ken out at bars talking to other women or rumors of huge parties at his apartment that she didn't know about.
Ken was always such a schmoozer. He was always flirting.
Very charismatic. You know, he was a good-looking guy, very charismatic, like you say.
And he just attracted women. And I was a very jealous person.
And I, to this day, I am. And that was not good for me to have a guy like that in my life.
He would say, oh, you know, I've never cheated on you, blah, blah, blah, you know. And I just never believed him.
I asked my dad about this. She said you were quite the schmoozer.
I was quite the schmoozer, yes. I was running a whorehouse.
I was running a whorehouse. I was schmoozing with whores all day long.
I was banging six at a time, for Christ's sake. But I liked your mom, though.
I liked your mom. I didn't look at her as a whore.
I looked at her as a woman that I liked. You know? A totally different thing.
Totally different. Totally different.
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I'm running whorehouses. I'm not running, but I'm a doormat.
I ended up running them later. You know, 18, 19, 20, 20.
You know, up until, what, 28. You know.
So, but these girls, man. I mean, you know, we're talking lost, hardcore souls.
You know, just lost. Some of them were angels.
You know, just lost angels. You know, just lost and drug addicted.
During the years I filmed these conversations with my dad, we spent hours and hours talking about all the sensational mafia bullshit you would come to expect in a story like this. But when he remembers the girls that worked in the club, there's an immediate shift in his demeanor.
A calm washes over him as he smiles in memory and begins diving into dozens of stories from his 10 years as a doorman and eventually manager of the clubs. Many of these stories I will feature in later episodes as they relate to the larger overall story, but first I need to say what's on my mind.
None of this has been an easy pill to swallow for me. The drugs and the murders make this whole thing bad enough, but where I get the real pit in my stomach is hearing him talk about his time in the clubs with these girls, especially knowing my mom was very much in the picture during these years.
And as hard as that is to digest,

the fact is, this is not my story.

It's Kenny's story.

And I have a responsibility to let him tell it

the way he wants to tell it.

And right now, he wants to talk about these girls.

So that's what we're going to do.

First up, Cindy.

She was our local dominatrix. She was our club dominatrix.
She had all the gear, all the leather, all the outfits, and boy, she would raise hell on these guys. And they loved her, man.
One of the chiefs in Cook County was one of her clients, and he'd come in every Tuesday or Thursday, that piece of shit. But man, she would wail on that mother.
She would wail on him. We had little peepholes in the doors where we could watch what was going on.
She would let us know, watch what I have in store for this guy. Then we'd all run up to the door, be fighting for the peephole.
The three of us pushing each other out of the way, trying to get to the peephole. She wailed on these fucking guys.
And these guys just loved it.

Loved it.

Oh, God.

Some funny shit, man.

There's Ming and Ling, the Chinese identical twins.

Ming and Ling.

These girls had their feet wrapped when they were young.

Back in the day, it was a Chinese custom to wrap the feet of the girls

because they thought small feet was a beautiful thing in China. You guys can look this up.
Go online and look it up. But they were strictly business, man.
No drugs, no bullshit, no partying, no talking to anybody, just business. And they had a plan where all the other girls and guys never had plans.
So I admired them. I admired those two.
And a short blonde they called Marilyn. Marilyn because she looked like Marilyn Monroe.
That's what we call her. I dated her for a while.
Nymphomaniac. Purely sex, I guess our relationship was.
We didn't really have a lot to talk about. She was a coke head.
But hey, it was someone I was hanging out with for a while there. But she would have been your typical, she would have been your typical whore.

And there's so many of them that came in and out

throughout the years.

So I would classify her as just a typical

in and out girl, you know,

in for a while working and off do something else.

He goes on about a few more girls.

Big, tall, blonde.

Had a couple of Hispanic girls there.

And I can't help but notice

that in its own twisted way,

it sounds a lot like how someone would tell stories about their crazy college years.

You know, the debauchery and stupidity of 20-year-olds living together with only one thing on their mind.

It was just amazing. It was really an experience for me.

For Kenny, who never finished high school,

this club was as close as he ever got to the university experience.

With a slightly different core curriculum. Underworld economics.
finished high school, this club was as close as he ever got to the university experience,

with a slightly different core curriculum. Underworld economics, the business of sex,

crooked cops and politicians, how to give a beating and stay alive, keeping secrets 101,

and the girls, a welcome distraction from the overwhelming dark reality that once you're in the outfit, there's no getting out. I want to be clear here.
In no way do I condone my father's infidelities to my mother as acceptable in any way. I am merely trying to understand the psychology behind his actions during this time.

Proposing to my mom at 19 years old, while knowing exactly what kind of lifestyle he lives, is an extremely odd decision, which he must have known would fail miserably. Why would he do that? Why would he put himself and Holly through that? What could he possibly have been thinking? When I wasn't working at the clubs, when I wasn't working a shift, I went home.
I went to my apartment and I was either dating your mother or if I wasn't dating your mother, I would completely detach myself from work in that environment. Where everybody else would hang around at the clubs and bullshit around, do coke and party, party, all this other crap.
And I would just go home, man. I'd do my shift and I would go home.
But no, I kept myself completely separated, especially when I was with your mother. Yeah, I could do that.
I just, it wasn't a lifestyle. For me, it was a lifestyle.
It was grease balls. It was a fucking lifestyle.
That's the style they wanted to live. They wanted to live that way.
I did not. I don't know if I can make that any fucking clearer.
I did not want to be them. All right? That wasn't my goal in life.
So I kept myself completely detached from those people. I asked a psychologist about this, and she broke it down to what she calls a sense of normalcy.
His engagement to Holly was an attempt to establish a safe space of love and stability that exists outside of the dangerous and chaotic world he was living in. And by doing so, he was laying the foundation that would eventually fragment his life into two completely separate halves, both mentally and physically.
But as fascinating as all that sounds, the reality is much easier said than done. He realized at 19 years old, what am I doing being engaged? And I'm 20.
He's only 19.

And that has a lot to do with it.

So anyway, you know, maybe a year into the engagement, he called it off.

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The targets involved were clubs and bars such as these, where officials say sex was openly for sale, but the transactions were carefully covered up. We would have to take bus every once in a while, just so Cook County cops could, you know, show that they're making some progress here, okay, when half the motherfuckers were running their own hordes on the side out of our fucking clubs.
Anyway, that's another fucking story. Well, that is a story I would love to hear, but we've been going for a while now, and he's getting a little hungry, so we decide to take a drive.
Of course, he starts talking in the car, so I whip out my phone and hit record. So, you know, these motherfuckers were so crooked.
And we owned them. We owned them.
But here's the deal. You know, they had to show numbers.
So somebody had to catch a bust every once in a while. All right.
So I caught two busts. If you dig deep enough and it's there, the only thing you'll really see on me is two arrests, early 80s for a keeper of house of prostitution late 70s early 80s keeper house of prostitution

that's that's all that's going to pop on me so you know we would arrange this like okay you're on uh i'll take one for the you're on tonight you're taking one for the team um take the bust and um give us a call afterwards and we'll come get you So, so I took two of those and the girls would come with me and, you know, a little party. Everybody would be laughing, having a good time.
But had to take the bust. But here I am, Ken, young, not thinking.
As smart as I was, as fucking dumb as I was. Because I would use my name.
Your real name. My real name.
And, you know, I don't know what came old to me, but I would use my name. Your real name.
My real name. And I, you know, I, I don't know what came over me, but I would use my real name while I'm hearing all the girls, you know, using their club names.
And so, so now that shit's on your record forever. Yeah.
So now it's on my fucking record and I can't shake it. But at this point, it really doesn't make a difference.
Not many people have Keeper of a House of Prostitution.

Yeah, and I got two of them.

Keeper of a House of Prostitution, huh?

Not seeing any greeting cards at the supermarket for that lovely badge of honor?

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Your best skin awaits. With several years in the outfit under his belt and a few successful busts to boot, Kenny was a rising star in the crew, and word was getting around that he could handle himself.
The club became his world, and he made friends with the other guys who worked there. You know, it was like an office, you know, hanging out around the water cooler, just bullshit, you know, that type of thing.
It was not any different. It was just, you know, there's not, there's still human beings.
They may be animals, some of them, and grease balls and narcissists and sociopaths, but they're still human beings,

you know. There was Billy, the bartender.
Big old thick southern accent, cowboy hat,

big old belt, big old belt buckle, jeans, cowboy boots. Lanky, tall, lanky, and muscular.
A guy you do not want to fuck with. I was afraid of this guy, and I was afraid of nobody.
This guy worried me, because those tall, lanky ones, boy, there's a lot of air time before that fist hits you. We hit you in the right spot, that's it, you're done for.
So this guy kind of scared me. Plus, he was just strong, just a strong, dumb hillbilly.
But a great guy. Sam, the younger brother of Ken's crew boss, Jack Erickson.
His brother was a good guy, you know. He didn't belong in the business.
I did like him a lot. He wasn't like other y'all, sociopaths, narcissistic maniacs that were in the mob.

A little overweight, quiet, wanted to be like his brother, but knew he couldn't be like his brother.

So that kind of bothered him.

Things went bad at a club. He couldn't handle it.

He just didn't belong in the business, but that's, you know, that's the way he was Jack's brother.

And Danny, a low-level doorman.

Dan was just a fat guy, loved to eat.

Typical greaseball.

Kind of unkept, though, for a greaseball.

A jovial, nice guy, you know?

Yeah, he was a door guy.

Yeah, we were door guys.

I would relieve him, and he would relieve me, you know?

Work a morning shift, I'd relieve him at night.

Or I'd work a night shift, and he'd relieve me on a graveyard shift. You know, just something like that.
We were relieving each other. So he'd stay and talk, you know, chat, just like any job.
You stay and talk to your, you know. It was a job, you know.
Chat it up a little bit. Mess around with the girls, you know.
Have fun with them a little. Not sexual fun, but just goof around, you know.
Just like an office. One night, while Danny was working the door, a gunman broke in and robbed the cash box.
Everybody was, of course, questioned, including Ken, who wasn't working that night and had a credible alibi. Eventually, it was discovered to be an inside job.
Oh, fuck. He did him and somebody.
I can't remember who the other person was. While Danny was working, he had someone come in and rob the place while he was working.
You know, so of course Dan's going to put up his arms, take the money and leave. And that happened.
Why do you think Dan wanted to rob this place? Because they were all greedy bastards, man. Listen, I was taught by Jack.
Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. And that stuck with me.
Meaning, if you're making a living, take the living. If you're making a good living take that living don't be a hog don't get greedy you know be thankful for what you got because you're gonna get slaughtered all these guys wanted more more broads more dope more fucking money more power more greaseball more mob you know they wanted more, more.
Very ambitious people. I guess it's like in the private sector, very ambitious people.
But in our business, pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered. And he got slaughtered.
Danny had to go. And the powers that be felt this was the perfect opportunity to see what young Kenny was made of.
I was there for the setup on the WAC for Danny, all right? I think we, after a shift one night, we just waited for him out in the parking lot. You know, we were all friends.

He got in the car and was just one of those, you know, you're going to get whacked by your buddy type of thing, you know. So anyway, we got him.
I got him. And it was, you know, when the guys trust you, it's easy.
Get in the car, let's go to Denny's, have some breakfast. Boom, next thing you know, he's getting his ass kicked.
All right. and got him in the car and drove him to one of the chop shops and dropped him off there and whatever I did with him from there I don't know that was the only time I ever had any emotion in any hits.
Because everybody I hit was a fucking animal. A degenerate, psychopath, sadistic, narcissist.
That didn't, we needed to get rid of that seed.

That seed is not good for earth.

That seed needed to be destroyed.

That's how bad these people were.

So I never had any remorse.

The remorse I have now

is that it's not my place.

It's not my place.

It's not my place. It's not my place.
It's not my place.

That's what God does.

That's not what Ken does.

That's God's job.

That's not my job.

My head is spinning.

I don't know who this man is.

And it's now obvious that I never did.

But I want to know.

I need to know.

Shut up. Shut up.
I need to know. Set that shit off.
Next week on Crow County. You could see why he could be an enforcer.
A blind rage, out of control, violent person. He was a freaking crazy man.
I'm going comatose. Can everybody know? Crook County is a production of iHeart Podcasts and Tenderfoot TV in association with Common Enemy.
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title song is called Crush by the band Starry Eyes. End credit song is called No Show, also by the band Starry Eyes.
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