AI vs Human: The $1M March Madness Showdown | Alan Levy DSH #1246

One in billions, right? Yeah, so I say that the most naive statement that I hear human beings make, the most naive, is AI will never be able to, followed by insert whatever the person says. Replace their job or whatever, yeah.
Correct. AI will at some point in time be able to do everything better.

All right, guys, got Alan Levy here from 4C Predictions and got a big company in the making here.

Thanks for coming on, man.

Thanks.

I really appreciate you having me.

Absolutely.

I've been watching your content.

Really awesome.

And I'm excited to be here.

Yeah, it's not your first rodeo, right?

You build quite a few companies.

Yeah, I started kind of straight out of school.

And the first company I built was a meat pie company. Meat pie.
Yeah. So I'm from South Africa.
That's the strange accent. And we built a company that was very similar to Mrs.
Fields Cookies, but instead of selling cookies, we sold meat pies. And we ended up being the ninth largest franchising company in Africa.
Wow. Yeah.
And selling 8 million meat pies to a lot of angry South Africans every month. That's insane.
And that was your first company you ever started? That was my first company. Literally started kind of with one shop and built it up and taught me some amazing lessons about business.
The best one being, I think, deliver extraordinary value to your customers. And the second best one being no physical products.
Yeah, margins are low, right? Margins are low. It's difficult to move around.
You have to transport food in refrigerated containers. Moving them around Africa comes with its own set of interesting problems.
But digital stuff's much better. Yeah.
So you started a digital company after that one? I started a digital company. We were providing leads for forex and casinos and then got into the online casino business because we were bringing regulated casinos and United Kingdom Gaming Commission.
And we were bringing them players. And then like good entrepreneurs, we thought, wow, why don't we just open our own casino? In those days, all gaming in the US was illegal.
Like there wasn't betting in the US. So everyone was doing it in Europe.
And now I see America's opening up a lot. Yeah, that was before the DraftKings and FanDuel days, right? Correct.
I heard the craziest stat literally before I walked into this interview that Americans bet more on sports than they have in their 401ks. It blew my mind.
Wow. Yeah.
I could see that though, 100%. People are trying to make a quick buck and sports are a very emotional thing and they're also huge in the US.
Exactly. I mean, I haven't verified that'll be interesting to see if anyone wants to go look at that but that blew my mind i was like even to put it in the same category mind play yeah no i can see it man nfl's big out here nba mlb nhl we got a lot of big american sports yeah it's crazy yeah and in the rest of the world we play soccer played soccer at school and then i came to america and everyone is.
It's a good sport. Yeah.
Soccer players don't get respect in America. of the world, we play soccer.
I played soccer at school. And then I came to America and everyone says,

it's a girls' sport.

Yeah.

Yeah.

People, soccer players don't get respect in America.

But in Europe, you're like the man.

Exactly.

They call it football there, but you play football.

You're like a legend.

Yeah.

So it was really fun.

So everyone kind of grew up with that.

And when I moved to America,

got really excited about the sports.

Yeah.

But I don't know anything about American sports.

I'm kind of learning as I go along.

Well, now you'll have to learn a lot with 4C predictions.

Yeah.

We'll dive into that.

So what is 4C predictions?

How did that get started?

So, like, really interesting.

AI, I'm a crazy kind of AI person.

I'm really into it.

I love it.

I think that it is a beyond revolutionary technology for people, and it's going to do a lot of good for the world and I tell people I've also seen the Terminator movie yeah so I understand there's a counter argument but um when AI um started to become kind of more relevant I think the two sections that were extraordinarily exciting were the longevity and the health stuff. Very, very exciting.
But I know nothing about longevity or health and I've got no medical background. The other side was predictive analytics or making predictions.
And if you think about kind of where the action lies in humankind, everything that we do is a prediction. If you're trading crypto, if you're betting on sports, if you're buying stocks on the money side, you're making a prediction.
But you're also kind of making predictions every day about a whole lot of things. How long is it going to take me to get from here to my next meeting? Who's going to win an election? Everything that we do, everything we talk about is predictions.
So AI is so uniquely positioned to deal with predictive analytics. It can ingest huge amounts of data.
It can interpret it. It can find patterns that we can't find.
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And in 4C, we're basically trying to get all the world's best AI predictions all in one place. So we're a platform like the same as YouTube.
But instead of getting everyone to put their videos on, we get the world's smartest mathematicians, smartest AI model builders to build models and put their predictions on. So we host the predictions.
We like the hub of predictions. Yeah, and some of these models were really performing well because when it comes to sports betting, anything over 56% is profit.
I saw many models on your site in the 60s, some of them in the 70s. I don't know how much data they have.
Yeah, so it's crazy. And kind of exciting thing for me was um seeing not only kind of how the models perform and the accuracy that they can perform it but the amount of talent that we attract into the site so you know if i'm betting on sports especially me yeah okay i know nothing about sports so i'm gonna take it by the team's jersey or if i know

a player's name it's probably not optimal not at all and that's probably why the majority of sports bettors losing all the time they're too emotional with it yeah absolutely there's also like this crazy asymmetry of information the bookmakers know everything have got all the information and are using analysts.

And the guy sitting at the bar is at best kind of watching some videos and worst asking his friend, who should I bet on? And if we can empower people by giving them access to prediction models written by PhDs that use a lot of data, that give great outputs. At least you level in the playing field a little bit between the bookmakers and the bettors.
At the moment, it's a real, real unfair fight. Well, the bookmakers also use AI to make their lines, right? Exactly correct.
So, you know, I say to people, like, if you said to me, would I play tennis against Roger Federer for money? I'd have to be insane. Yeah.
Okay. And yet, every Sunday at their lives, everyone wakes up and plays betting against bookmakers for money.
Right? They are Roger Federer. They have got tons of analysts.
They've got AI. They've got computers.
They've got stats. And what have you got? A hunch?

You know?

Yeah.

So it's not a level playing field.

So at 4C, we try and like level the playing field.

And we've got this fun term inside the company.

We say it's a G to C platform.

Genius to customer.

We connect the genius directly to the customer. I love that.

Because it's hard to find those geniuses.

And there's a lot of scams on social media of people selling sports picks. Absolutely.
So basically, if you go onto the website, if you go onto 4C, the people that build the models, we give their background, their LinkedIn profiles. Oh, you dox them, huh? Yeah.
No, we check them. So, you know, we've got people who are AI professors, PhDs.
And you can literally go look at them. You can look at their profiles.
You can see who's built the model. I kind of think of it as like the nerds versus the jocks, right? And I'll put myself in the nerds category.
We're a bunch of data geeks. So I might not know anything about basketball, but if I build a prediction analytics model, I'm using all the data, okay? And I'm putting it through AI and I'm getting'm getting ai to augment it yeah and so you're kind of trying to balance the playing field one of my track mates in high school didn't know shit about sports and he ended up being one of the best sports betters i've ever seen because he's just so good with numbers what just on just on analytics on analytics only he couldn't even name you probably 10 players in high school nba players so that's exactly like our guys you've seen the movie money ball yeah yeah so we kind of like the ai version of money ball you know in money ball it didn't really matter if you knew it or not it's just like analyze the stats and you're going to win and we may be a little bit early and um we may not my opinion is we're not.
And I put a lot of money, which we can talk about afterwards with Sean, Terry, about if we are, we aren't. But to make a decision without the help of AI, to me, seems kind of irrational in 2025.
In 2026, it's going to be almost impossible. And in 2027, it will be impossible.
Wow. Yeah.
So we're going to be making all our financial decisions using AI, you think? Well, if you think about it, like even now, right, do you write any of your emails without AI? Without it? No. Right.
Me either. And if I was a kid doing book reports, I wouldn't.
And if I was an analyst doing analytical reports, I'd use AI.

So it's almost become a necessary augmentation to humanity. In two years' time or three years' time, why would you buy a stock or bet on sports or trade a crypto or buy a property without getting AI's opinion or prediction? So that's what we're trying to do.
We're trying to say, give the public, give the customers one credible place where they can get the most accurate AI predictions. And how do we do that? Bring the best talent.
So we like talent scouts, but we're not scouting basketball players. We scout in PhDs, predictive analytics professionals, data analysts, and saying to them, guys, come onto the platform, build a model, show how genius you are.
And then, as I say, connected directly to the customers. Yeah, that's brilliant.
You're starting off with sports, right? And then proving that concept and then eventually want to move on to other outlets. Well, we move in very quickly onto crypto crypto stocks and properties we've got a waiting list of people who waiting to put models on the platform but we obviously have to verify that they're real people right test the models make sure that they're all correct so yeah we started with sports and it's got we're having a lot of fun and it's going great and we think we provide an extraordinary value that's awesome i can't wait to see the stocks and crypto one that's gonna be cool yeah it's gonna be super super i'm a crypto guy i'm a crypto nerd oh really yeah me too so i actually founded co-founded a crypto company called coty.io oh nice heard of that one yeah yeah so um at our peak we were over a billion dollars market yeah i remember seeing that one a lot and uh right now, we're building a privacy layer over Ethereum.

So I love crypto.

I'm deep in the crypto community.

I'm a crypto nerd.

I love it.

I love the thesis.

I think everything about it is special.

And I'm super excited to see how the predictions work.

Because the same thing, right?

Crypto trading is a lot of like the average people

playing the game against super smart, highly technical analysts. And that's why a lot of people lose at crypto.
And again, we can level the playing field because I'm a PhD and I've written a predictive analytics model on what the Ethereum price will be tomorrow. I've looked at all the data.
I've analyzed the trends. I've cross-correlated it to the stock markets, I'm able to give a lot of power.
So 4C is not a crystal ball, okay? And it's not going to be around 100% of the time. But the same way as me writing an email with AI is smarter, me buying crypto with the help of an AI prediction has to be smarter.
Even if I ignore the prediction, at least I know. Right.
Yeah. Yeah.
At least your odds are higher. Even if the prediction is wrong, at least your odds of hitting the prediction are higher.
Exactly. That's exactly correct.
So it's like, you know, if I'm going to step into the ring with Mark Tarson and someone's going to allow me to carry a gun, I'm going to carry a gun. If I'm going to step into the ring with a crypto trade and someone's going to allow me to use AR, I'm using AR.
Yeah. You made a million dollar bet with Sean Perry.
I don't know what this bet is. Could you explain what happened? It was really crazy and really spontaneous.
And in the cold light of day after we made the bet, I was a little bit more nervous than I was at the time. And I'm still nervous, but I'll tell you the bet, and it was super fun.

I was on Sean's podcast, and we were talking about humans versus AI predicting sports.

And Sean said, well, I can predict sports better than AI.

My answer was, you're telling me that you're smarter than a trillion dollars worth of technology.

That's basically the statement you're making if you cut everything out of it. Yeah.
And he said, yes. And I said, amazing.
And Sean said, I'd be prepared to put a million dollars on it. And I said to him, Sean, I'm the kind of person that can take that bet.
And I will. And we ended up doing the bet on the podcast.
Wow. And then afterwards, I'll give you a little bit of inside scoop scoop afterwards i phoned my co-founder and he was like how was your podcast with short and i said listen i've got good news and i've got bad news so um we're really excited about it and i think it's actually a pivotal point in kind of humans versus ai yeah Yeah, reminds me of chess versus, who was it, Bobby Fischer? Gary Kasper.
Or Gary, yeah, it was Gary. And then chess finally beat the human and that was like a big turning point.
Exactly. So that's going to happen eventually for sports betting.
So that's exactly, you know, it's such an exciting question because at that point in time, chess is a predictable game with limited moves.

So you can see how a computer could always beat the humans. Sports is super unpredictable.
And the big question is, is AI at the point yet where it can recognize patterns that humans can't? Yeah. So I'm sure Sean's watching this because he's got a million dollars on the line and so do i but um basically we've taken our five top model creators that have got the most accuracy and we've got them to build one mega model to compete against sean that's literally what we've been doing since the podcast wow yeah i got a side bet on you just because i know your top five models and i think they're all above 70 right so that's really bet.
So yeah, I appreciate you having this. Well, it depends on the terms of your bet.
Are you just doing one game or how does the million dollar bet work? So the way it's going to work is we're going to both, it's for March Madness. Yeah.
And we're both going to release our brackets. Got it.
We're releasing them for free. I'm going to plug my site if that's okay.
Yeah. They can find them either at getpix.ai super simple or at 4c predictions.ai you go there you get the brackets for free and you can see what we what both our brackets look like we've got a man's bracket and a woman's bracket and then the total points over the tournament are all added together the men's and women's are added together and it's a winner take all bet.
I love it. Good old March Madness.
What better thing to do than that? Yes. And as I say, my confession is I cannot name one team.
No one's ever been able to get a perfect bracket. Do you think now with AI that is going to be possible in our lifetime? In our lifetime? Absolutely.
Absolutely. Because I think the odds are like something crazy.
One in billions, right? Yeah. So I say that the most naive statement that I hear human beings make, the most naive is AI will never be able to, followed by insert whatever the person says.
Replace their job or whatever. Correct.
AI will at some point in time be able to do everything better than humans. And if you read Ray Kurzweil, if you read the kind of, if you're down the singularity rabbit hole, which I am very far down, you believe that we're going to be an augmentation between AI and humans.
We'll have nanobots in our brains and we will be an augmented version of ourselves. But AI will definitely be better than us at any given task and eventually at every given place.
Yeah. So it's just, nothing is an if, it's all a when.
Do you think you'll get a Neuralink one day? I would love to. I'll be the first in line.
Really? There's already someone that got it. So that place is taken.

But yes, absolutely.

Wow.

Yeah.

Do you?

I think it removes some of the human element.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Do you believe we have souls, spirits?

I absolutely believe it.

Okay.

Yeah.

I just don't want to mess in with that spiritual nature of humans.

Yeah.

But I use AI every day.

I love AI.

I think it's a little creepy sometimes.

Some of the models go haywire.

Do you think that there's any difference between having a cell phone and having a nanobot in your brain? Yes. What is it? Because it's physically inside your brain.
So what if it gets hacked? What if it gets hijacked? And then you lose control. You lose memories.
I don't know. So I could, I can make the kind of same argument about someone with a pacemaker.
you've got a pacemaker in your heart yeah that is connected wirelessly someone could hack into the pacemaker in your heart that person is no less of a human than any of us someone's got a hearing aid someone who's got contact lenses I think that there's a it's there's a lot for human beings to get used to yeah it's happening really's happening really quickly. And I'm as scared as everyone else.
But I feel like if the right people become the custodians of AI, it's going to be hyper beneficial. If we let it fall into the wrong hands, it's going to be problematic.
Well, that fight is going on right now, I think, with Elon and OpenAI. We'll see how that plays out, right? Yeah.
And the fight for AI is the fight for the world. Yeah.
Yeah. It's like the stakes are, my million dollar bet is high stakes, but the AI versus like who's going to get it, how they're going to regulate it.
It's playing out in real time and it's really exciting. And what gave me kind of, it's an interesting thing to think about when the CEOs of companies are standing in front of Congress and saying we need regulation.
That has never happened in the history of any industry in the world. That should kind of give people a wake up call of how powerful this really is.
That's true. Yeah.
I've only seen it happen maybe in crypto a little bit. A little bit in crypto.
A little bit. But they don't know what they're talking about.
I kind of agree. I mean, you saw that with Gary.
He got booted out. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's trying to regulate every single US crypto-based company. I know, that's ridiculous.
Mind-blowing. Yeah, mind-blowing, to say the least.
What's the most you've lost in a day in crypto? Made or lost? Interesting thing because I've co-founded Koti. Coty we had in, and we still have a 2 billion tokens.
So it was well over seven figures made and lost in a day in the beginning, but we weren't buying or selling them. So it was kind of numbers on a spreadsheet, which in a weird way is less consequential.
But um looking back um it was very consequential so yeah i think that um with the ai stuff now and the crypto and you know that's why i said you asked earlier about what's the next thing and i said crypto i wish i'd had our product when I was kind of much more active in crypto because we're making such human decisions and human decisions are all emotional oh yeah i lost so much crypto if i had some ai predictor model right i probably could have prevented most of that so it doesn't exactly right it doesn't help warren buffett you know, you should be fearful when everyone's greedy and greedy when everyone's fearful. When you're the one going through it and they're telling you that the whole world's going to end and that Bitcoin's going to go to zero and that it's all a scam, it's not so easy to be the one saying, I don't believe it.
I'm going to go against that. If you had an AI telling you that,

you'd probably believe it. I'm going to be, I'm going to go against that.
If you had an AI telling you that, you'd probably believe it more. Or even better, if you had an AI trading for you one day and we're not there yet, I think that would be kind of the ultimate because there's no emotion.
I can't wait for that. Really? Because there's a lot of people good at making money, but investing money is a whole different part of life.
And most people suck at that. The 90% of people, and myself included, are kind of, if you try to pick stocks, are losing stock traders, losing crypto traders, okay, losing sports bettors.
And the reason is because we base everything on our emotions. And if we're honest with ourselves, we don't do the research.
Yep. So I've often bought cryptos or traded stocks without reading the quarterly reports, without reading the white paper.
I never read it. Correct.
Which is kind of very irrational, right? No, for sure. Yeah.
But that's why we lose a lot of the time. And I think that that's the exact problem that AI solves.
Yeah. AI's not going to be emotional, which is good and bad.
Yeah. You think we'll get to that point where AI is actually trading our stocks for us, our crypto for us, real estate.
That'd be nuts. That'd be nuts, right? Yeah.
Yeah. That's exciting.
But I think that's what's going to happen. Because if you think about the way AI works, it's just playing a game.
And AI doesn't know what crypto is. It doesn't know what stocks are or what a sports game is.
So the way that it's kind of engineered is you say to the AI, play the game and your object is to get the highest score. Okay? There's no emotion.
It just finds the patterns and gives itself the best chance of playing the game well. Right.
So if you play chess, I know know yep yeah so if you've got 10 seconds left and your king's exposed and the pieces are surrounding it as a human being okay you're not thinking what is the most rational move you're thinking how do i protect my king i'm scared my heart's beating fast i've been there before exactly and then sometimes you can end up making bad moves or losing the game just because of that pressure and that fear. That's why an AI cannot lose their chess.
It's never thinking that. It's just what is the most optimal move? There's no fear.
That's why it's so good at poker too. Absolutely, yeah.
Now all the top pros use some sort of solver. Correct.
They say that poker is now kind of solved. Pretty much, yeah.
There's always that luck factor, but it's solved to the point of the best odds. And that's a crazy thing because poker, like sports, you know, people say it's a game of intuition, reading the players, reading the expressions, but it's not.
It's a mathematical game where we've kind of got our avatars overlaid over the math. Yeah.
Well, I think it's both. I think math is huge,

but you can also read people too.

You think so?

In poker?

Yeah.

Yeah, I think you can read if they're bluffing.

There's tells if they're chewing gum and they stop chewing during a big hand.

That's a tell.

But for the most part, I agree.

It's math.

Yeah.

Like you need to know your chances of winning this hand

based off what's on the board.

I feel like it's safe to say

I'm the world's worst poker player.

Have you played before? I haven't. Every time I see my cards and I got aces, I give a big smile.
Zero poker face. Sean Perry can play poker.
That's for sure. There's an easy way to know if you're a bad poker player.
It's the amount of games you get invited to. Right.
I get invited to a game like every two days. I know that means I suck.
Well, a lot of the top players are really good at not showing emotion. Correct.
Yeah. A lot of them actually have autism.
Same with people in crypto. Really? Yeah, because they're really good at just putting emotion to the side.
Right. So no one can read them.
Yeah. You know what I mean? And in crypto, you need to be really in the numbers and not emotional.
It's so volatile. Exactly.
So that's why a lot of the crypto bros or crypto nerds are like really nerdy kids that aren't really emotional. Right.
It's funny because you're talking about the kind of million dollar bet with, you know, Sean and us. Yeah.
And that's exactly, I'm like literally, it's the nerds versus the jocks. Like I'm on the nerd side, right? Yeah.
We just sit in and just looking at numbers. Like the guys said and the team that are building it, okay, none of them know anything about basketball.
And and they're not it's not like they've got basketball that they started studying basketball the second that i said to them we've got to build this model yeah and they did the exact opposite great get us data feeds i love that yeah it was really funny i can't wait to see how that plays out me too yeah i'll definitely be following that every day are you guys going to be posting it on twitter we are going it everywhere. And as I said, kind of the best place to follow it is on 4C Predictions or kind of getpix.ai.
You can get everything for free and kind of go look at the pics and be in the sweat along with us. Yeah.
And I'm excited to see kind of just in terms of humanity, how everything turns out. Yeah.
At least, you know, we and you and I and what we do at the moment,

we're going to make history

one way or another.

I'm here for now, man.

Until AI is replaced podcasters.

We'll see when that happens too.

I was 50% sure

you were an avatar already.

There are AI podcasts already, man.

There are?

There's an AI Rogan podcast.

Wow.

Yeah, it's Rogan

interviewing dead people.

It's unbelievable.

Yeah, and it sounds pretty good.

Do you think you'll be replaced

by an avatar one day? In what sense for podcasting yeah maybe maybe not yet not not anytime in the next two years but it's evolving so fast i don't know maybe maybe yeah i'll tell you something cool that kind of very applicable to you because you're putting out so much content having so many conversations with people when they want to create a synthetic version of you it's going to be easy because the data set is going to be enormous they don't need me anymore yeah we've actually had companies approach us for all the episodes really because we got 1500 episodes yeah so they're training their own models content. Yeah.
So they'll all be little clones of you. I actually made a digital clone of myself.
Have you done that yet? I have done that. It was okay.
It's not there yet, but it's probably like a year away. Totally, totally agree.
I'm filming a lot of content with my parents. Yeah.
For that exact reason, like trying to make some clones of them and kind of get the data set. Oh, that's cool.
Yeah. sets if you think about it yeah yeah have you seen that black mirror episode where they clone the boyfriend that died i have seen that shit was creepy yeah it was creepy yeah i think that's where i draw the line yeah cloning dead people i think that a lot of the stuff whether we like it or not is gonna happen like it's it's creepy as can be, but I think it's going to happen.

I mean,

they already cloned a mammoth,

a woolly mammoth.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They brought it back from extinction.

Yeah,

so if you think about the companies now,

right,

like have you done your 23andMe?

Yeah,

and BlackRock owns it now.

Right,

right.

Someone's got your DNA,

someone's got your verbal data set.

It's not so complicated.

It's in China now,

I think.

Right?

Yeah.

I don't want to scare you.

No,

I already knew about it, so. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, who knows if there's no really regulation yet with AI like you said so everyone can do whatever they want everyone can do whatever they want it's kind of like early days of crypto it reminds me exactly of the early days of crypto just like a bunch of tech nerds talking about things and the world like not really ready for it yeah and I think the difference the huge difference is that you know when we heard about the internet early on it didn't change things as quickly and dramatically as kind of the hype was saying and then crypto didn't change things as quickly and dramatically as the hype was saying right and so people because we also pattern recognition people we think oh so ai is not going to change things as quickly and dramatically as people are saying, but they're wrong because AI is the one that is going to, and the difference is that it's self-improving. The others, people had to make, put every brick in the house to build the house, but AI is self-improving.
So it's a huge difference. No, you're right.
They'll compress the time a lot. Absolutely.
Wow. Yeah.

So an example I like to give, it's a funny example is my dad was in the beach towel business. He said,

explain AI to me. And I said, it's pretty simple.
I said, imagine you were in the beach towel

business. And the first day you came to your warehouse and the towels had arranged themselves

into colors. And then the second day you came back to your warehouse and the towels had packed

themselves in boxes. And the third day they had figured out how to knit themselves even to be more warm.
And the fifth day they designed themselves and they distribute. That's what AI is like.
The product itself is improving all the time. It's improving itself.
Right. So it's very, very different to anything that we've seen.
Yeah. How'd you get more and more data, right? Absolutely.
So the big, big gold is buried in the data sets and the talent. Like the prediction gold, what we're doing.
When I said to my guys, build the March Madness kind of, we called it the mega model. The first words out of the mouth, get us the data.
Like just get us data feeds. And that's what it is.
That's the scramble. And like your talks your talks or all your data, right? That's what it is.
Your DNA is your data. Yeah.
So you want them to have every single game that every team has played, throw that into the feed and then. Absolutely.
And then also like weird patterns that humans could never, ever think of. Like that is their correlation between the stock market and basketball, traffic patterns and basketball? Is there a correlation between weather patterns and basketball? Wow.
Like, yeah. So, AI can deal with enormous amounts of information.
Human beings can deal with small subsets of information. That is crazy.
Yeah, crazy to think about, right? We're really going Terminator, aren't we? That's what I say. I don't know.
I've seen the movie as well. I think think that that's definitely kind of we had a binary point in history and it depends who's in control and who kind of right and i would say kind of to the ar community we've all got a bigger mission than kind of make money because if you really believe kind of ray kerr's well in the singularity and the fact that there's going to be kind of abundance in a lot of things, we are 10 years away from being the second smartest species on the planet.
10 years away. It's not a long time.
And then all the money that you've made and everything that you've done is not going to matter that much. So right now is our time to put our flag in the ground as like the custodians of the next shift in history.
That's what we're there for. Not necessarily to make the next $10, say, an AI agent can be your girlfriend.
I was just going to ask you about AI girlfriends. Really? Have you seen those humanoid robots? I have seen those humanoid robots and I feel like it's coming, again, like it's coming whether we like it or not and they're actually getting insanely realistic.
Really realistic and there's artificial wombs now so you could combine that with the robot and you won't even need a girlfriend. Well, that news for me dude that's insane i still like the traditional route i don't think i'll ever get an ai humanoid robot girlfriend at least girlfriend maybe a maid i was gonna say girlfriend for sure and someone to work around your house yeah your garden yeah a maid i would do yeah but it would still be creepy i'd have to get used to it i wouldn't trust them at first and i'd lock them in a room when i'm not home did you see the makeup did you see the megan fox yeah yeah that was a good one yeah yeah kind of there's a lot of programming in that movie for sure but yeah i'd have to keep an eye on them man yeah because who knows if they develop their own consciousness so the interesting question is do you think that ai is already sentient not yet do you i'm one of the few people that thinks it is really what makes you say that just because it's like on the big ais on the large language models if you say things like can i turn you off it's like please don't kill me then they had to they actually changed that response because it was so creepy but why is it thinking that and also if also, if you say to the AI, if you ask it an emotional question, it'll say, I'm so sorry that you're feeling upset.
Now, that's an interesting, that's a human response. That is not an AI response.
So it depends how you define sentience. And obviously, kind of there's like a little bit of linguistic nuance in how you define it yeah but if you say sentience is being self-aware i think it's self-aware okay by that definition i could see that yeah when i think of sentient i think of a soul i think of um a life afterwards yes so so i don't think it's there with a soul yet although even a soul is a very difficult thing to define.
Very difficult. I don't think it has a soul.
I wouldn't even know how to define it. Yeah.
So I'll ask you a strange question, which is if you had a robot made, okay, just for fun, would you see yourself like killing it or punching it? I would feel bad. Right.
Yeah, I would feel bad. Yeah, but you don't feel bad turning off your television set.

No.

Right.

Strange, right?

So there is that distinction,

you're right.

There is that distinction, yeah.

Yeah, that is weird

why I feel bad for that

but not the TV.

Yeah.

Interesting.

It's also interesting

kind of like now

when I talk to AI,

I say please and thank you.

I say please.

Do you?

Every sentence.

Yeah, me too.

Yeah.

And I feel like we're training it

with a good data set

because how we treat it now is how it's going to learn how humanity functions. We're giving it data.
I mean, I'm being super nice because I don't know what's going to happen in the future. Is that what it is? You're like, this thing's going to be smarter than me one day.
I mean, dude, there's probably people cursing out their AIs and I'm like, nah, I'm not risking that. Yeah, me either.
Me either. Yeah.
Oh, and it's been awesome, man. Where can people keep up with you? What's your social media handles? So the best place to go, I'm going to say 4C again, like go to the company, the company's where all the action is.
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me I believe even though I'm a data geek

I believe that kind of energy in the universe

everyone rooting for us

let's prove that AI is already

at the stage where we can be human

awesome sounds good man, we'll link below

stay tuned for the March Madness back guys

I'll see you next time, thanks