Why DEI Programs Matter More Than You Think | Naima Trout DSH #1359

Quality education, if that makes sense.

But I don't think that the solution to that is, well, college is bad, because I think college is really good.

And I think that more people should have the opportunity to go to college, and it should just be more accessible.

Yeah, when you see Charlie say it's a scam.

Charlie didn't go to college.

Charlie dropped out of community college.

All right, guys, Naima here on her home turf in LA.

I know.

Which one's my camera?

Is this my camera?

This is yours.

Hi.

Welcome to the show.

Thank you, Paris.

Not your usual audience, right?

No,

kind of.

You're used to the Jubilee spotlight.

They're a little bit, their audience is a little bit more conservative than me.

Yeah.

They're kind of center-right.

Really?

I always assumed they were left just because their videos.

No, they're kind of center-right.

I guess you're right, though, because they've been having guys like Ben Shapiro, Michael Niles.

Yeah, they've been Ben Shapiro, they had Charlie.

They had Myron on too.

They've had a lot of pretty conservative people on it.

They had Pearl.

Wow.

Was she a one-on-25?

What was that one about?

Oh, my God.

The one with Pearl was like, she was a male rights activist.

Wow.

That's not shocking, though.

No, I'm not Pearl.

I'd love to see you debate Pearl.

I don't know if that would really be much of a debate.

Did she?

She's kind of a moral.

Nope.

Yeah, she just doesn't

stick up for women.

No, not really.

She's very, it's, she's just a pick-me.

right i mean there's not really much to yeah because i know you're big on woman empowerment right yeah i mean i think i'm just big on like equal rights for everyone so wherever i see someone or a group who i feel like has been disenfranchised yeah that's how the feminist movement started at first right and then it kind of got crazy along the way i don't really think it got crazy i think a lot of people confuse feminism with misingery

and the whole like extreme hatred of men is not real feminism.

That's not what feminism is about.

People definitely start, certain people associated the two.

I think that associating the two is a way to belittle the feminist movement.

And by confusing people into believing that all feminists hate men, you know, you're going to get more opposition to the feminist movement, but that's not what it's about.

I definitely think Red Pill played a role in that.

I think it played a big role in that.

It's very funny because it's like, I'm a feminist, but it really just means having the choice to do what you want to do.

You know, I feel like there's a big push on the right to create this kind of traditional woman and what a woman should be.

And I think the feminist movement is really just saying a woman should be whatever feels comfortable and right for you within the extent of the law.

Yeah, that is a red pill belief.

The man should provide everything.

Women should stay at home.

But that's boring.

I would die of boredom.

I mean, how many things can you crochet until eventually you just want to get a job?

I don't know.

Yeah, I'd be bored if I just stayed home all day.

I'd be super bored.

What do you do?

Bored out of my mind.

I'd be so bored.

I'm horrible at cooking.

I should be so bored.

I guess you just have to have kids, but then it's like they go to school.

And then, you know, what do you do?

And if that's what you want to do, I say go for it.

I have no judgment towards that.

But is there any ideologies from the red pill that you agree with?

No.

None at all.

I mean, here,

hit me with something.

Let's see if I agree with anything.

You could date multiple women.

Well, is it okay to date multiple men?

They don't want their girls to date other men while they're dating them.

See, so if you say that you can date multiple women, but it's not okay for me to do the same thing, that's where I have the issue.

Well, that's because they put the man in the position of power.

Exactly.

Well, I also think a big thing about women not being able to work is that you're financially dependent on a man in the same way that you'd be financially dependent on a parent.

And I don't want to be in a situation where I can't make choices for myself.

And I also think just in terms of love,

like it's so much more valuable to be in a relationship with someone when you know that they're there because they love you and not because they need you to provide for them.

Yeah.

You know, on the male equivalent of it, too, I wouldn't want to be a young man in a traditional society where at a certain point I have to provide for like five people off a single income.

I feel like it devalues both men and women and it puts this unnecessary pressure on both groups.

Obviously, though, a lot of them also don't believe in marriage.

Really?

Yeah.

Why?

They just feel like it puts their livelihood at risk in case of a divorce.

They lose half their assets, half their wealth.

Sign a prenup.

So you're for prenups?

I mean, if you want to, if both parties are consenting to the prenup.

I also don't think a prenup has to be necessarily like, I get to keep all of the stuff I came into a relationship with and you get nothing, you know?

But it could be instead of the state deciding how we divide our assets, we're going to decide how we divide our assets if, you know, something were to happen.

That makes sense.

Yeah.

Am I going to sign a prenup?

No.

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here you are saying it's cool i think it's cool if it's like an alternative to like let's just not get married because at the same time like if you decide not to get married and one of you gets sick the hospital literally will not allow you into the room unless you are a spouse or family.

And it's like, you know, or if you die, you know, like, and now your girlfriend is left to take care of your kids, but she doesn't get any access to life insurance, or she's not, you know, necessarily written into your will.

Like, what's she supposed to do now?

Interesting.

And she can't get a job in this traditional, you know, society that they want to exist.

So she's kind of just left out there until she finds another guy to provide for her.

Yeah, that makes sense.

When did you start getting into politics?

Was it recently?

No, I grew up in a very political household.

My dad

works a lot in

politics generally.

He's not a politician, but he just focuses a lot on issues specifically relating to black people.

And so, just like, yeah, from a very young age, I kind of just like grew up in a household that was very political.

And then,

I don't know, I was in a lot of predominantly white institutions as a kid.

And I felt like there were a lot of times in which I had to kind of explain things about Black culture and about sensitivity and like teaching people not to touch my hair without asking, you know, things like that.

People did that to me if it makes you feel better.

It's really annoying.

It's not a petting zoo.

Like, don't touch me or ask.

I'm usually pretty chill.

If someone was like, oh, it's so fluffy, I want to touch it.

Luckily, I'm tall, so it didn't happen as much to me.

See, I'm so short.

Yeah, so people just reach down.

Yeah, very easy.

For me, it's harder because you got to reach up.

See, I'm just like, wash your hands first.

Like, I don't know what you've been touching.

You know, you could have just been scratching your ass and now you're like touching my hair.

Like,

it's not the cleanliest thing to do.

It's not the cleanliest thing to do.

No, yeah.

So I just, I got into politics through just kind of being in environments where I felt like I had to defend myself and defend others of my race and kind of combat misinformation, you know, sometimes in a very pleasant and constructive way, sometimes not,

sometimes a little bit more combatively.

And yeah, that's just how I got involved in stuff.

And then, yeah, as I got older, I started the Black Student Union at my high school and I did some advocacy with the ACLU.

Yeah.

And so I've just kind of always been involved.

Yeah, you definitely stand your ground.

That's what I respect.

And every time I see you debate, you like, you have that presence.

It's impressive.

Doesn't matter who you're debating, too.

It could be Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro.

Yeah.

You hold your beliefs.

Yeah, I don't know.

I think that's a big thing for me, especially like with how many echo chambers there are today.

I think it's important that if you really believe what you're saying, you should be willing to have that belief challenged and to defend it, you know?

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Did Charlie Kirk change any of your beliefs?

No.

No.

You debated him twice now, right?

Yes, I did.

Yeah, I debated him.

I debated him once on Jubilee and then he came to my school and I debated him there.

No, yeah, he was honestly kind of rude on Jubilee.

And it's funny because I did not know who he was when I was debating him for the first time.

And literally just being in the room with him.

Like before I even knew the rest of his lore, I was just like, oh, I don't like this person and the things he's saying.

Yeah, no, he was, he was rude.

And part of it is that he chooses to debate people so much younger than him.

And that's kind of always been his niche.

And, you know, although I appreciate engaging younger people in politics, I think that if you, as a 30-something year old man, are going to choose to debate 18 and 19 year olds, you should try and model a certain level of

respect within those debates.

And I don't think he was very respectful to a lot of the contestants, especially when the cameras were off.

Really?

Oh, yeah.

At one point, like we weren't rolling, and

Marin, who also debated him, who went viral in the same debate, had said something.

And he turned to her and was like, I'm sorry, you don't have enough testosterone to speak to me.

Whoa.

That's actually wild.

Rude.

Rude.

Like, he's just, it was just rude.

And so that's really why I didn't have respect for him.

It wasn't even necessarily that I disagree with him, although I do, but it's also like the way that you're you're saying these things to people who are so much younger than you is kind of just disrespectful yeah well that video put a lot of guys on the map right that was dean's breakout video i think it was yours as well it was mine dean had been pretty big before that but it definitely you know leveled him up leveled him up same with parker yeah marin also went viral in that video and also shout outs to my boy mason because he's been in like five of these videos and is incredibly active in the la community

um

and he gave Charlie a run for his money for sure.

Really?

Oh, yeah.

He was great.

I don't know why that one didn't get clipped as much because he was fantastic.

Which topic was that one about?

Oh, God.

It's been like a almost, oh, no, it hasn't been a year.

It's been like six months now.

That's a lot in the political world.

Yeah, no, I know.

He did,

I think he did like the one about women, something about women.

Feminism.

Yeah, it was feminism.

No, he did.

He might have done gay rights or something.

I forget.

Honestly, I don't even remember all the topics in that video.

I know your second debate at your campus was DEI related, right?

Yeah, Yeah, I definitely wanted to bring that one up with him because we did the 10-minute at the end of the surrounded.

And I kind of wanted to circle back now that Trump was in office and he hadn't done so much slashing of DEI programs.

I definitely wanted to talk to Charlie about that.

Yeah.

What did you think about him slashing all those programs?

I think it's stupid.

I mean, the issue that I don't think a lot of people understand with DEI is that it's been kind of misbranded as like the black people thing.

Yeah.

Like the handouts for black people.

Yeah.

Which is.

They made it a race thing for sure.

They made it a race thing, which DEI, the group that benefits most from DEI is white women.

Really?

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

Well, because it's part of what DEI does is it ensures pay equality.

So DEI is very instrumental in trying to close the gender pay gap.

So in terms of, and then also on the back of the Me Too movement, a lot of DEI was focused on combating sexual harassment in the workplace and making an inclusive environment for people of all genders.

So DEI is generally regarded to benefit white women the most, but other than just white women and black people, DEI also benefits people with disabilities,

making sure that working accommodations are appropriate, making sure that people

are given health care plans that provide for their disabilities if they're hired.

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Whole thing on applications that says, Have you served in the military?

Yeah, that's DEI.

Really?

Yeah, like all of that falls under the category of diversity, equity, and inclusion.

I actually didn't know that.

Yeah, it's pretty cool.

And then DEI also helps with

families who are trying to start IVF treatment, helping those families make sure that IVF treatment is covered under their insurance at work.

DEI also provides like mental health resources

for

workers.

DEI is great.

Like it does a lot of really cool things and it's been branded just as like we're giving handouts to black people.

Yeah.

When in reality, that's not what DEI is about.

DEI is about making sure that everyone feels included and is treated equally at work.

And that benefits everyone.

That's interesting.

My fiancé loves Target, but they rolled back a bunch of their DEI programs.

So she stopped shopping there for a month.

I have not been shopping at Target.

Yeah.

So the ban, the like, the Target like ban is supposed to end.

It's supposed to be like a thing you do for Lent almost, like you're giving up Target as part of the protest.

So it's supposed to end on Easter.

I kind of want to keep going with it, but to be honest with you, I live in low-key, a bit of a food desert.

The area around USC doesn't have a ton of options.

It's really just like Target and Ralph's and Trader Joe's are like our big three.

So it's like, I don't want to go back to Target, but it's hard to beat Target.

I mean, it's just so freaking convenient, you know.

But I'm going to try and hold out for as long as I can.

Wow.

I didn't know you were still holding out because she lasted like a month or two, but then we were like, yo.

It's been like two months now.

It's Target.

Yeah, it's been like two months now.

And it sucks because a really convenient alternative is Amazon, but I don't like them either.

Did you see Gavin just started that lawsuit yesterday against the tariff stuff?

No.

Really?

Really?

What did he do?

Yeah, we'll have to pull this up.

He's going after the Trump administration for tariff.

And I think the state of Cali.

So California sues to stop Trump from imposing sweeping tariffs.

So Cali's the first state to stand up against these tariffs.

What do you think about that?

Good for Gavin.

He was kind of pissing me off when he let Charlie Kirk interview him instead of dealing with the wildfires.

I was a little bit annoyed by that one.

So good for Gavin.

I'm glad he's standing up for California and for the country.

My boyfriend is actually in aerospace engineering and he's been looking for a job for the summer because we're both in school.

And there's been this huge hiring freeze in the engineering world, just because a lot of the goods that are used in engineering are imported from China.

Wow.

So, you know, that idea that like manufacturing is just immediately going to pop into the U.S.

is a myth.

It takes longer than that to create American manufacturing and it creates more than just tariffs to help American manufacturing.

And I think that's a big problem that I generally have with the Republican Party is that their solutions to things are kind of,

I describe it as like a band-aid on a bullet hole.

Like

instead of seeing what the core of the issue is and creating legislation that mitigates the core issue, they just see one, the larger result and then

we'll just try and attack that

instead of actually getting to the root of the problem and solving that.

I mean, we're seeing that with abortion.

Like, since Roe v.

Wade was overturned, the

and states implemented these sweeping bans on abortions.

In 2023, we actually saw the number of abortions increase.

Really?

Yeah, they went up from like 900,000 to like over a million.

Damn.

And part of that is because the women who need abortions,

just banning it doesn't solve the need.

You know, you have to get to the core of the issue.

Why do women need abortions?

Primarily for financial reasons.

That's the biggest factor in why women seek abortive care.

And beyond that, medical issues, ectopic pregnancies, you know.

But if you just say, I'm banning abortion, that doesn't get rid of.

the need that people have for these abortions.

So now people are just going to other states.

People are using

the telehealth to ship themselves abortive care.

Wow.

Yeah.

You could do that.

You can do that.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

Which I'm sure Trump is going to attack, but we'll see.

Is it banning Cali?

No.

No.

Abortion is super legal here.

You know, we have some of the chillest abortion rights.

Abortion laws.

Yeah.

No, Cali is pretty, Cali's pretty great, actually, on that issue.

And Cali has been helping with a lot of women get reproductive care.

But the other thing that you're seeing is when abortion is banned without addressing the needs for why women are seeking abortions in the first place, women who do need abortions and still don't feel like they can have these children who are in states with bans are going to go to other states to get those abortions.

And then the abortion will be even later

in the pregnancy.

Yeah, because they got to wait, right?

Exactly.

Because you have to wait, you have to travel.

That is a huge cost, you know, the cost of travel plus the cost of the abortion, you know, so you might have to save for that.

That could be an an issue for a lot of people.

And so it's like, you haven't gotten to the core of the issue by placing a ban on goods from China, by placing a ban on abortions, you're not mitigating the root cause of the issue.

Right.

And I think that one thing that the right and the left have a hard time agreeing on is that we all agree these things are issues, you know, like

liberals and left just don't want women to just run around and use abortions as a form of health care.

We all acknowledge that it's a very sad thing and we would hope to mitigate the number of abortions in this country.

Right.

But we just disagree on the ways to do that.

I don't think the way to do that is to just place

just a giant ban on the whole thing

or to leave it up to the states.

I think the way to do that is to look at the root causes of the issue and see how we can change those and make it easier for women to keep their babies.

Yeah.

And then encourage people to keep their babies instead of just, you know.

That makes sense.

So the root cause for that one would be mainly financial issues.

You said is the number one reason?

A lot of it is financial issues.

And I think that if we had things like universal health care, because the cost of having a baby, just like going to the hospital and having a baby is in the tens of thousands of dollars.

That's crazy.

It's so expensive.

If you don't have health insurance, that's a huge cost, right out the gate.

The cost of child care, I think, yearly is like over $20,000 a child.

Damn.

And, you know, if you have things like universal childcare, like especially for little kids, like

universal preschools, you know, things like that, if we invested in our public education system so that parents trusted public education,

I think that a lot of people would be,

because I do think biologically

women

want to protect their children.

their future offspring.

And I think that when women seek abortive care, it is a last resort.

You know, it's not something that anyone wants to do.

So I think that if there were things in place that helped women financially sustain childcare and having a child, then you would just see a lot less abortions.

Yeah, because right now women are waiting the longest they've ever to have kids on average, I believe.

It's scary.

The economy is really, really scary.

I know a lot of kids my age are really, really nervous about launching.

And it's a huge fear for so many people.

and it's you know it's just

it just doesn't feel like a good time to have kids really yeah it feels like the world is in a lot of upheaval there's a lot that we don't know there's a lot that seems like it's kind of just up in the air there feels like a lot of divisiveness in politics right now it doesn't feel like this country is at all united on really any issue

It's just scary to have kids.

Potential recession, they're saying right now.

Yeah.

Stocks taking a hit.

Oh my God.

Like crypto too.

It's plummeting.

Everything is plummeting.

And Trump recently said, like, now is a great time to buy, which I'm pretty sure is insider trade.

Yeah, it is.

It is scary.

I'm not going to lie.

Yeah, no.

The idea of having kids right now, I think, is terrifying to a lot of people.

And I think the only way that you're going to make that easier is not to just ban abortion, but to address the issues that are making people scared to have children and believe that they cannot support a family.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I wonder how this tariff stuff is going to play out long term.

Cause right now it's looking not good, but we'll see if it gets better.

I don't think it's going to be that great.

I mean, part of me is like, will I finally be able to afford a home?

Will the interest rates finally drop from eight to two?

You know?

But the other part of me is like,

I think a lot of people are going to suffer.

because of the tariffs.

I think a lot of working class people are going to take a huge hit.

And I don't think a lot of people remember that when you import,

when you place tariffs on goods and services, consumers end up paying for that in taxes and inflation.

Like we end up footing the bill of Trump's tariffs because the cost of goods will go up because we still have to import the goods from places like China.

But now somebody's going to have to pay the cost differential.

And that's going to be.

the American consumer.

And I don't think that a lot of people are really thinking about that.

Man, eggs are already $10.

Come on, guys.

It's a good thing I hate eggs, honestly.

You hate eggs?

I do not.

When I, okay, when I was like, I want to say 12, me and my mom were baking a cake, and I kept eating raw cake batter, and she kept being like, stop doing that.

And I wasn't listening to her.

So I gave myself really, really bad food poisoning.

And every time I yakked, it tasted like eggs.

Oh, and now salmonella or something.

I like had baby salmonella.

Yeah.

I didn't have to go to the hospital, but I was sick for like a few days.

And now every time I like smell eggs,

chicken too, or just eggs?

No, not chicken, like not like cooked chicken, but yeah, just eggs.

Wow.

Yeah, that was my bad.

Ruined eggs for myself.

So, the right constantly attacks public education.

You're a senior in college right now.

How do you feel about your education process?

Did you go to public school?

I went to public school for high school, but I went to private college.

I'm at USC.

And,

you know, to be honest,

there are some things about the rights arguments against college that I do see some validity to, to in that I think it's way too expensive.

My school, I also think that like, I'll do my school, for example.

I'm at the School of Cinematic Arts at USC, and we recently had this issue where I think our tuition is the highest in the country.

Damn.

Really high, crazy high.

And, but they're not paying teachers enough.

And there was this issue in which the teachers' contracts were not being negotiated with the faculty.

and they were making a lot of professors adjunct professors so they wouldn't have to provide them things like healthcare.

And they would like force like caps on how many classes a teacher could teach.

So they could only teach like one class.

And if you're paying like $2,000 a class, it's like nothing, you know?

Yeah.

So

the teachers, the adjunct faculty have been organizing and they're trying to start a union.

And it's really incredible to me that a school that is charging so much to its students can treat its faculty faculty so poorly.

So I really don't agree with that and with what my school and with what Carol Fult has done at USC.

Yeah.

And I also do think that college is a huge barrier for economic mobility and it serves as a way.

It can be very elitist, I think in a lot of ways, especially being at USC.

It can be very, very elitist.

I could see that.

And I agree with that.

If you're paying 50K a year, a percentage of that should go to teachers.

A huge percentage of that should go to teachers.

I mean, what else is going to get that?

Yeah, because you want the highest quality teacher.

Exactly.

You don't want the bottom of the barrel teaching you.

And this is the best film school in the country.

Like, this is how the best film school in the country, one of the wealthiest schools in the country, is treating its faculty.

Yeah.

Like, that's crazy.

That's crazy.

That's crazy.

I'm surprised there's no regulation on like salary caps for

there.

Is I think, so the school went around it by making all the professors adjuncts.

So a loophole.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's pretty messed up.

And so I do agree that college should not be as capitalistic as it is.

I don't think that college should be as business-oriented as it is.

Yeah.

And I don't necessarily love the way that private institutions

gatekeep

quality education, if that makes sense.

But I don't think that the solution to that is, well, college is bad because I think college is really good.

And I think that more people should have the opportunity to go to college and it should just be more accessible.

Yeah.

When you see Charlie say it's a scam.

Charlie didn't go to college.

Charlie dropped out of community college.

You know, the college that he dropped out of had a 100% acceptance rate?

Really?

Yes.

Wow.

I don't understand.

That's one thing that I think is hilarious to me is when Charlie says college is a scam when his career is built off of debating college kids.

If college was a scam and did not exist, Charlie Kirk would not have a platform.

That's crazy to think about, but you're right.

And he didn't even go to college.

Yeah.

He went viral for, he built a business off those debates these college debates of debating college kids he wandered around universities that he couldn't get into or complete to tell the students there that they were being scammed while profiting off of disincentivizing students

college students it's weird it's a weird thing to do Do you feel like degrees have as much value as they used to, though, with our parents' generation?

Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know in comparison to our parents' generation.

I think our parents' generation economically was a much different place.

I'm really jealous of my parents in a lot of ways.

They could afford houses.

They could work at one job only and be different.

The neighborhood that my parents used to live in, like sometimes we'll like go back to the places they went to school because my parents went to school and

my dad went to Stanford and my mom went to Berkeley.

So

Northern California.

Yeah.

So like we'll do like.

um like little walk arounds like of their old like stomping grounds and stuff and my dad will be like i lived in this apartment and my rent was two cents a month

i wish it's like a lakeside like i'm like what i just struggled to get a house and i'm i'm like pretty well off you know i've worked my ass off but it was a process it's a huge process and the payments are a lot with eight percent interest it's crazy and part of it is it's like you know you can't afford a loan or a mortgage but you can rent at the same rate So, because there's a difference between homeownership and renting, like to have the equity of homeownership is such a big deal.

And just the barriers of entry into that are ridiculous when you'd be paying rent for around the same amount.

If I was in college debt, I wouldn't have been able to do it.

Exactly.

And college debt is ridiculous.

I think college is just way too expensive, I think is my bottom line.

What do you think they should do with the debt?

Because Charlie said, keep it.

But do you think there should be a program?

That's so stupid.

If college is a scam, then why not forgive student loans?

I mean, yeah, that's dumb.

No, I think that there should be a program.

I don't know if it should look like Biden's program because that didn't get approved.

Yeah, I thought that went through and then something happened.

Yeah, something happened.

My fiancé was like, oh, my loan got forgiven.

And then the next week, I don't know.

Yeah, that was, that was an absolute shame.

But I do think that that should be a program.

And, you know, people say like, it'll never work, but like European countries have free public college.

It's not impossible.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Yeah, there needs to be some change.

Right now, I mean, I went to Rutgers in Jersey.

I don't know what the tuition there is anymore, but I know it goes up a lot.

Love Rutgers.

You You love Rutgers?

I'm from Jersey.

I'm from Montclair.

Oh, let's go.

Yeah.

From Bridgewater.

Oh, oh, that's so funny.

Yeah.

Okay.

I love Jersey.

Hey, Jersey.

Yes, sir.

Who do you want to debate next?

Who do I want to debate next?

I want to debate Emily.

I thought she was coming, but that's fine.

Emily Saves America.

Yeah.

What do you think about her?

I think she's hilarious.

I think it's so funny.

She reminds me of.

No, that's going to sound too mean.

I thought you were going going to say Fuentes.

No, she's not as bad as Fuentes.

I mean, Fuentes is the Nazi.

Like, you denied debating him, right?

Yeah, he was the one I wouldn't debate.

So you got a line at him.

Yeah.

No, I mean, I draw a hard line in just like the idea of having to debate like human rights.

I think that there are some things that are just objectively true.

And I can't have a conversation with someone who just does not believe in my personhood.

You know, I'm not going to convince somebody that I'm a person.

Yeah.

That you're just going to have to figure that out on your own.

That's not my job.

I don't think anyone's changing Fuent's mind on any of his beliefs.

I don't think there's any changing his mind.

And I also like, don't want to platform him.

Like, I don't have any respect for his rhetoric.

Yeah.

I mean, didn't he just mace a woman?

Yeah, someone went to his house, right?

Yeah, and he just like opened the door and maced her.

To be fair, I mean, that's not fucking funny.

It's horrible.

Yeah.

If someone showed up to my house, that's messed up, though, to be honest.

If someone someone showed up to my house, it is messed up.

I feel like I would just call the cops, though.

Yeah, let them mace her because then it's like the cops maced a trespasser and not I opened my door and maced a woman.

Yeah, you know, she could have been selling Girl Scout cookies.

We don't know.

Have you had any weird stalker incidents yet?

Because you've been blowing up lately.

I haven't had anyone like try to find me where I live.

Please don't do that.

My boyfriend's a vet.

Hey, um,

but

I have had some weird people in my DMs for sure.

I've had somebody offered me $400 for my feet pics.

I said no, and I just want to note that.

Damn, why'd you say no to that?

That's easy money.

My boyfriend was like, but he's going to be jacking off to like your body.

And I was like, okay, fine.

Just a foot.

I mean, he could probably find it online if he was.

See, that's what I said.

I was like, if you look hard enough, you can probably find a photo of my foot.

You went to the beach probably a few years ago.

Like somewhere, yeah.

Although my Instagram did get deleted because of Aiden Ross.

So all my stuff is new on there.

Oh, because of Aiden?

Yeah, he got

really mad at me because I didn't want to debate Nick Funtes.

And I made this TikTok about it.

And in the TikTok, I said, What did I say?

Oh, yeah, I said Aiden Ross tried to pay a girl $20,000 to talk to him, and she still said no.

And he did not like that.

I think I saw that video.

I thought it was funny.

He was not a fan.

Wait, so that got you deleted?

No.

So he made this whole, he went on this live stream and was like, She's a bitch.

bitch, she's a bitch,

and he, what did he call me?

He said, I

he said, I never get a man, and that I'm poor because my bed frame is from Ikea.

Which what's wrong with Ikea?

I used to sleep on Ikea stuff.

I love IKEA.

Who doesn't love IKEA?

I just hate building it.

That's the annoying part.

The building is the embedding.

That's why I stopped.

I feel so, I feel so accomplished.

I'm like, yeah, feminism.

I built my own bed.

Yeah, from screen.

You do feel good after.

No, it is it's very satisfying i'm like damn i built that you see that i built that no but yeah he came after me really hard and then got his fans to like mass report me and then instagram was like yeah you're right she's bad so my account got deleted and the reason instagram gave me was because i was impersonating a celebrity wow were you verified no because i didn't want to pay meta 20 bucks a month Is it 20 a month now?

Yeah, I was like, no, I don't want to do that.

Yeah.

So my Instagram got deleted.

You had a big following, right?

Yeah, it was annoying, but I got my followers back.

So, okay.

So, you got the page back?

No, I just started a new one.

Oh, that's the one I messaged you on, right?

Yes.

Yeah, I was trying to find you.

It's like a different name.

Yeah, it's the same name, but with two P's.

Okay.

Instead of one.

It was something rain soup or no, it's hair soup.

Hair soup.

Yeah, I made that from a random word generator when I was like 17 and just stuck with it.

Yeah.

And then I went viral as hair soup.

and I was like, Well, I can't

keep this now.

That's wild.

Well, hopefully, Aiden forgives you by now.

I don't care.

He does have a big platform, but he'll be okay.

Yeah, if he hits you up to debate Myron, maybe that'd be a better fit for you.

No, I'm not going on his channel.

You're not, he can kick rocks.

Damn,

all right.

He had a lot of really mean things to say about me.

I have no respect for him.

I'm not going to help him get views.

What?

That's crazy.

I didn't, I didn't see what he said, but that's.

Oh, yeah, no, he called me a whore.

He was talking about how I'm my boyfriend boyfriend is gay, but I also don't have a boyfriend.

It was like,

he went on and he basically went on this rant, just like bashing me.

Damn.

I would not help him at all.

You keep your man low-key, keep him hidden, right?

Yeah, I mean, I just don't want him to get, like, there was this one kind of stalker guy who like.

Every time I would post something, he'd just comment, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger.

Over and over and over.

He'd DM me the N-word over and over and over.

He found my boyfriend's account.

He's DMing him.

Nigger, lower, nigger, lower.

All this crazy shit.

Yeah.

That'll be fun to bleep out.

I think in our space, it's smart.

Like Brett Cooper does it too.

Like, you just don't want the hate going to the yeah, I'm just keeping low-key.

I mean, politics is just really intense.

Yeah.

And, you know, he wants to be in videos.

And I'm like,

it's probably not worth it because then he's going to start getting hit up by weird people.

Yeah.

You get a ton of hate comments alone by itself.

Someone will ask to buy his feet pics next.

You're good at like handling it, though, handling the hate.

Yeah, I just watched Django.

Django.

You know the movie, Quentin Tarantino?

Is that the shootout one?

That's the one

with

the slave who became

the owner of the game.

That's an older one.

Yeah, I've seen that one.

Yeah, no.

Anytime the hate gets too much, I just watch Django.

It's all perspective, right?

Yeah, it's nice.

Yeah.

Yeah, we're dealing with online hate rather than back in the day.

Yeah, I mean, I'd prefer online hate to like being a slave.

Yeah.

But yeah, I think I will take.

But no, it is nice.

It's a nice little empowering.

Yeah.

Okay.

This is a controversial one.

Do you believe the rich should pay more in taxes?

Yeah.

I believe the rich should pay more in taxes.

And I think that there's this misconception when people talk about taxing the rich.

It's not about taxing high income families.

Like if you're a doctor or a lawyer or a white collar professional worker, That's not the group that I think should be taxed more than they already are.

I think if you own a very very successful business, if you're an Amazon, if you're a Jeff Bezos, you know, if you're a Meta, if you're a Coke, if you're in the oil industry, those groups should have to pay more in taxes.

And you like Jeff Bezos is not going to notice.

He wouldn't notice.

It would have such a huge benefit to the middle and working class.

And it would be such relief for so many working class people and white collar people who are footing the bill for

tax dodging one percenters, essentially, and really high income business owners.

And I think that there's this fear of taxing the rich because people think, well, hey, wait a minute.

Once I get to a level where I'm professional, you're going to try and take all my hard-earned money.

And it's like, no, if you're Elon Musk and making over, you know, $20 million a year, you're not going to notice.

Right.

Instead of taking money from people who would notice,

you're taxing people who wouldn't so that those who really do need the relief can get it.

So you're talking like ultra-rich then, not like top 1%?

Well,

I think that the top 1% could be taxed more, but I'm not talking about the top like 20%.

Yeah.

And I think that a lot of people fall into the category of the top 20% who are concerned that they're going to be the ones who are targeted by tax the rich campaigns.

And it's like, no, we're talking about people who genuinely would not notice

giving money to people who genuinely, genuinely need it.

Yeah.

I mean, here's my take.

So I guess I'm top 1% because I make 500K a year.

I don't know the exact number.

So I paid about like, whatever, 200K this year or last year.

Yeah.

I don't mind that if it's going to the right programs, but the Doge stuff scares me, to be honest.

I'm not sure how accurate their investigations are, but stuff I see on Twitter is like, where's this money going to?

You know what I mean?

Well, that's my fear because I mean, Elon Musk, he hasn't slashed any of his government subsidies, but he did slash the VA suicide hotline.

Really?

Yeah.

It's like, how do you figure that, Elon?

How is Tesla more important

than veterans having access to mental health care when we know that veterans generally have a serious mental health crisis in this country?

Yeah.

And we know that veterans are often neglected.

And we know that veterans have one of the highest rates of suicide and homelessness and addiction out of any group in this country.

Like, I don't understand his priorities.

I didn't know he cut that one.

He cut that.

He cut a lot from the national parks.

He

is just slashing the weirdest shit.

It's like, what?

What?

Yeah.

Doesn't make any sense.

And he's not an elected official, which is even more upsetting.

It's like to just come in as

a private entity with your own multi-billion dollar corporation and private goals

to decide what is useful in our own government.

I mean, he slashed, he fired the workers whose job is to safeguard our nuclear launch codes and then realized, oh my God, we need those people.

And then re had to rehire all of them.

They fired a bunch of workers at the national parks, one of whom was like a locksmith.

And then the park rangers were literally locked out of the national park

because they fired the only locks.

That's interesting.

Like, it's just stupid.

I mean, it's also just like, Elon is a successful businessman and he doesn't do this at his companies.

I'd imagine he doesn't just rebuild it.

He did it at Twitter.

Well, he did it at Twitter, but Twitter also lost a lot of money in him doing that.

And they had to completely rebuild.

But, you know, he doesn't do that at Tesla.

He doesn't do that at SpaceX.

He doesn't just fire half his workforce and then decide who's important after he's fired them.

Yeah.

And I think he knows that that was a fucked up thing to do.

And I think he did it at Twitter because he doesn't really care about Twitter.

It's not his company.

Tesla's struggling right now.

Well, yeah, that's another thing.

If you're going to be like a supervillain, you should be a quiet supervillain.

Yeah.

He's too public with it.

Like if I was him, I'd be an advisor and you wouldn't see me a lot.

You'd be Baron Trump.

I love that video of Baron Trump.

I like my suitcase.

I haven't seen the one.

I've never seen him talk.

It's him when he's like four.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

And he's got like this little suitcase.

He's like, I like my suitcase.

I've never seen him talk.

I want to see what his voice sounds like.

I've curiosity.

I haven't seen him talk either.

Apparently, him and Melania are a lot closer than him and

Shump.

Oh, yeah.

Wow.

I mean, he's a pretty busy guy.

I'd imagine he isn't the most hands-on parent.

They don't seem to be the most loving couple, at least in the public spotlight.

She's hilarious.

I wasn't Melania.

She's so funny.

You like her?

I kind of do.

I'm not going to lie.

I mean, I feel like she's definitely

gotten a lot of privilege with some weird blood money and had to turn a blind eye to a lot of pretty fucked up shit that I'm sure she's witnessed.

So in that sense, I think she's kind of a sellout.

But she did

write in her memoir that she is pro-choice.

Really?

Yeah.

Like, yeah, no.

Because Trump is the opposite, right?

Yeah.

although honestly i don't even really think trump believes a lot of the stuff he's saying like trump used to be a democrat yeah i think he just wants power and is willing to lie

he lies like over 20 times a day that's insane yeah is that actually a fact or really no literally in his first term as presidency as president he lied over 20 times a day

Yeah, no, I think Trump is willing to say literally whatever, say and do whatever it takes for power and money.

I don't know how many, how often other politicians are lie.

I feel like they lie too, but I don't know if it's 20 times the nobody lies as much as Trump.

It's ridiculous.

Really?

It's like sociopathic at this point.

It's pathological.

It's weird.

What do you think you guys are going to have in 28?

There's whispers of AOC and Bernie.

I don't know.

I don't think AOC is going to win.

I think that this country has proven that they are not ready to elect a woman president.

And as much as that bums me out, I do think that the Democratic Party should be kind of realistic about that

and put someone up who can win.

Bernie's getting up there in age, too.

That's the other thing.

Bernie's older than Trump and Biden.

Yeah, Bernie's old.

And Bernie's still kicking.

Like, I went to the rally last week and he's, you know, he's still sharp as ever, but he's just old.

Yeah.

You know?

And as much as I love Bernie, I would love to see someone younger in office who we don't have to worry about, okay, who's his VP?

You know, maybe Gavin.

Yeah,

maybe.

You don't seem to be his biggest fan.

I don't know.

He's, I feel like the LA wildfires were handled really, really poorly.

I feel like the housing crisis in California has been handled kind of poorly.

And like, he's all right.

Yeah, when you look at the money flow, the housing stuff, it's, it's really messed up.

I'm not his biggest stan.

Like, I'd vote for him.

if it was between him and Trump or him in Vance.

Or him and Grant Cardone for governor next

election.

I'd vote, like, I would continue to vote for him, but you know, he's not my first draft pick.

Yeah,

yeah, I don't know.

I don't know who they're gonna put up.

It was interesting to see him launch a pod.

I wonder what game he's playing.

It does seem like he's gonna make a run for president.

I think he's gonna, I think he's gonna run for president.

I honestly don't understand how he has time to have a podcast.

Go to work, Galen.

What are you doing?

Well, to be fair, the rights crushed the podcast world.

They have.

I think that

the right

has

understands that it's more than just investing in politicians.

It's also investing in pundits.

It's also investing in political analysts

because these are the people that are going to have a ton of outreach on voters.

Social media has a huge impact on how people vote and people's beliefs.

And I don't think that the left invests so much in uplifting

people like, you know, the liberal version of Amala, who I guess would be me, or the liberal version of Candace, or the liberal version of Ben Shapiro, or I mean, it's like kind of destiny, but like, I just feel like the left isn't as organized when it comes to appreciating and respecting the power that political influencers have over people's votes.

Yeah, you guys are all spread out because you got destiny, you got Adam Mockler, you got David Pac-Man, and then Dean and Harry, but it's all spread out.

It's all spread out.

It's not consolidated.

There's no like liberal version of Prague or U.

You know, it's turning point.

There's no liberal version.

Exactly.

There's no liberal version of any of these things.

And I think part of it is the Democratic Party just like doesn't have as much money.

Cause really?

I think it's much easier to be evil and rich.

I think that most incredibly wealthy people are kind of evil.

So, I mean, to get to billionaire status, you have to be doing

pretty fucking cutthroat.

You got to be doing a lot of business in a lot, not just the U.S., just worldwide.

You have to be incredibly cutthroat you most likely have to screw someone over

most likely have to screw thousands of people over yeah i mean on some level to reach that level of wealth and success there's someone you have to exploit yeah to reach that level of wealth and so i think it's a lot easier for the right to kind of finance political influencers than it is for the left and i wish that the left paid more attention to that because like one thing that I think about a lot is it's like,

you know,

as I'm talking to

younger people, they might not be able to vote now,

but you know, in three to five years, the people who follow me on TikTok will be voting.

Right.

You know, you're playing a long game.

I mean, kind of.

And I think that's what Charlie Kirk does, you know, by they say that Donald Trump won because of how many young conservative men there are nowadays.

There's been such a huge increase in the amount of conservative men, especially in my generation or in our generation.

And I think the right has realized that there is such an asset to political influencers because they do have political influence.

Yeah.

And I don't think that the left has capitalized on that as much.

And I wish we would, mostly because I can get a job, but also because it'd be just good for the country to have both views, you know?

Yeah.

So you think you'll venture into politics eventually, more into it, at least?

I mean, I could see myself doing what I do now on a larger scale.

I also do stand-up.

Really?

Yeah, I do.

Oh, I didn't know that.

Yeah, I do stand-up.

It's not something a lot of people know.

And

I would hopefully like, and I write comedy.

Like, I came to USC film school

with the goal of writing comedies.

And then I kind of found this way to, because there's like these kind of two sides of me that's like very artsy and artistically focused.

And then there's this other side of me that is very political and politically driven.

And I would like to find a way to combine the two.

I would definitely like to do more political satire and more political comedy.

I also think that like

politics is a real bummer right now.

It is depressing.

It's depressing.

Anytime I go on Twitter and scroll for a bit, my mood is just shot.

It's depressing.

Like reading the news, it's really negative.

It's scary and negative, I think, for everyone, regardless of political affiliation.

And I don't know.

I hope that I can help people laugh at it a little bit more.

That's definitely a long-term goal for me.

That'd be cool.

I don't think I want to be a politician, though.

Politics is fucking messy.

It's messy and stressful.

I watched too much Veep.

That show made me know.

The before and after photos of every president, have you seen that?

Oh my God.

The gray hair.

The gray hair.

It's crazy.

Yeah.

Like Obama aged a lot.

He did.

I know.

I was like, dang.

I saw a photo from the other day.

I was like, what?

He was fully gray, I think, when he got out.

I know.

And Obama, I think Obama was a pretty good president.

He thinks so.

I think Obama was pretty sick.

I also think

we, as a country, were so hopeful.

I think it was a much more positive political climate that Obama created.

Like the fact that so many people are like looking at his movie recs and his Spotify playlists and like,

that's fun.

I think that part of this is going to sound really stupid, but I think that part of being a president is kind of setting a vibe.

And I think that Trump's vibe is kind of just screaming at people.

And it is politically poisoned.

how we view politics and how we engage with politics.

It's very negative.

It's very critical.

It's very combative.

And

it's not fun.

Well, he was a shock to the system because he wasn't a politician.

Yeah.

He kind of just came in.

It felt like in 16, it was like a reality show, the way you worked with it.

It still feels like a reality show.

And it's not even a good one.

It's like Bad Girls Club with a bunch of like 80-year-old white guys.

Yeah.

It sucks.

Is there any executive orders or decisions he's made so far that you agree with?

He hasn't made this one, but I do hope he he gets rid of daylight savings time oh i thought that was not a bad idea i did not expect that answer yeah i was i hate daylight savings time it's so annoying like why it's confusing it is confusing and unnecessary yeah it never made sense to me in school it it was annoying too it had something to do with farmers huh that's why they started it something about harvests and like the winter and spring and like the different times of harvests

um

But like,

not enough people are farmers for us to still need to do that.

I feel like.

Damn, he signed a lot of orders, so nothing else?

Nah,

not really.

Wow.

I'm trying to think, like, which ones were the most left?

I can't even think of anything.

Most left.

Yeah, I don't know about left.

He got rid of Department of Education.

Yeah, that was stupid.

Why?

You weren't a fan of that one?

No.

This is the Department of Education.

I don't understand how you can be America first, but like not education.

Yeah.

What about the trans sports stuff?

No,

I don't know.

I

get kind of confused on the, not confused, but I do

feel empathy for women in sports who feel like they are competing against people who have a genetic advantage to them.

And I think that we should heavily consider that in how we legislate sports.

But at the same time, I do think that banning people from sports

on the basis of sexuality or identity is discrimination.

And again, it goes back to the conservative idea of a band-aid on a bullet hole.

Like, well, I'm just going to ban it instead of getting to the root of the problem and seeing how we can mitigate the root of the problem.

Because doing that takes a lot more critical thought and empathy and time.

I could see that.

Yeah.

So I don't know.

It's just kind of annoying to me.

It's like, well, that's an overplayed one too.

They always bring that one up.

They always bring that one up.

And it's also like, I think that a lot of

the divide on transgender issues is a way to distract voters from more important issues.

Because to be real, I think, aren't trans people 0.01%

of the overall?

That's not a lot, yeah.

It's less than that.

It's so few people and it's become such a huge and polarizing issue.

And I think that the Republican Party kind of brings that up a lot.

And I do think that this just goes in general for identity politics.

I think that

Republicans use identity politics and an attack on people's identities to distract from the real issue, which is a class issue.

I don't think that it's about black versus white.

I don't think it's about trans versus cis.

I don't think it's about men versus women.

And I think that all of these groups honestly have a lot of common interests.

I think that it is about

what's essentially becoming an oligarchy in this country.

I think that just free-range capitalism is destroying the middle class.

And if the middle class is too busy arguing over who gets to compete in sports, then they won't realize that the real issues that are facing them on a daily basis could be solved by looking at the uber wealthy and holding them accountable.

And I think that, I mean, that's historically, I think that's what almost all issues in identity politics have been

about, is distracting people from.

A lot of distracting in politics.

I think it's distracting, and I think it's purposefully dividing people so that they can't unite and demand equal rights.

And if you've read the book, The Sum of Us,

it's kind of about how the white working and middle class has been disadvantaged by racism

and legislation that was aimed at hurting black people does actually hurt everyone.

And then if you look just historically, like Bacon's rebellion in the South during slavery, indentured white servants and black slaves banded together and rebelled against the Virginia elite.

And as soon as that happens, you have all these new laws banning indentured servants and black people from being together and from organizing together.

You have all these laws specifically aimed at black people, specifically aimed at indentured servants talking to Black people.

And they use racism essentially as a tool to divide groups that have a common investment and interest and goal so that they don't kind of band together and fight for each other and with each other.

Wow.

So this has been going on for a while then.

Oh my God.

Yeah.

Like racism was used to justify slavery on many levels because slavery at its core was an economic benefit to the elite.

Slavery economically benefited people of all levels who weren't slaves just because of what a huge market it was.

But

at its core, it benefited

an elite, a super elite elite, like monarchies.

But they used the fact that black people were quote unquote savages and they used the fact that black people are beasts and that they prefer slavery and that it's better for them because they were so gross before to justify exploiting African labor.

So I think it's at the end of the day, it's always about money.

And identity politics is used as a tool to distract people from the fact that they're actively being exploited.

Yep.

Follow the money though.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Never lies.

It doesn't lie.

Yeah.

And it's just really sad to watch this country kind of fall for it every time.

I mean, when you got Pierce Morgan just putting on these fiascos every day, it's like people love that drama.

People love it.

It's drama.

It's passion.

You know, it's much more fun to argue and hear people argue about whether or not, you know, trans people should be in sports than like the economy.

Yeah.

You know?

Gets way more views.

It gets way more views.

And I think that's part of it, too.

It all kind of folds into this machine, this capitalistic machine.

Yeah.

Last topic, the deportations.

How do you feel about all these?

Again, band in on a bullet hole.

It's the same thing with pretty much every major issue that

the Republican Party is trying to address.

You can't just deport 15 million people, half your labor, or not half your labor force, but like 5% of your labor force just at once.

It just

is stupid.

It's weird.

ISIS is like hunting people.

Trump wanted to send people to Guantanamo Bay.

Like, what?

That's just dumb.

So again, it's like you see this problem.

And instead of addressing the root of the issue, why are people coming here illegally?

How can we, I mean, one thing that people don't know is that illegal immigrants pay taxes.

Like they do pay taxes.

They do actually benefit the economy in many ways.

And so instead of just like, let's just deport everybody,

what would happen if we deport everyone?

Who's taking those jobs now?

Because they were

filling.

part of our labor force, you know, they did make up part of our labor force.

Who's going to take those jobs now?

What is it going to look like to have them leave the country and have that vacancy in those jobs?

How do we maybe make it easier for people to come into this country legally so that they can contribute effectively to our economy?

And I think on a larger issue, like

kind of to look at it more broadly,

I've noticed that

this country, I mean, we literally the Statue of Liberty, bring me your poor, your huddled masses, blah, blah, blah, blah.

But then every time we get people's poor and huddled masses, we're like, no,

go back.

We did it with Irish immigrants.

We did it with Italian immigrants.

We did it with German immigrants.

We did it with immigrants.

We did it with West African immigrants.

We do every single time a new immigrant group comes to this country.

We lose our minds.

They settle in.

A few generations go by.

And now they are a part of American identity.

And I just wish that we wouldn't keep repeating that pattern over and over and over again.

We've already done this.

Why not approach it differently and see, instead of just immediately attacking these people, how can we

make it so that they can contribute equally to our economy and become a part of our economy?

How can we use them as an asset?

Right.

And I do think that on a certain level,

like Donald Trump used to.

um hire illegal immigrants really yeah to build uh buildings skyscrapers yeah to do all his stuff mar-a-lago and all that stuff.

But part of that, the reason why

illegal immigrant labor is so valuable is because they're so easily exploitable.

If you're constantly at risk of being deported, like

you can be exploited and you can't tell anyone.

You don't get

union protection.

You don't get labor law protection.

You can't sue anyone.

Like, you can't do anything.

You know, you're essentially stuck.

And we've seen this throughout U.S.

history with how we treat Mexican immigrants.

And they come in.

You know, I don't want to say it, but there's, it's like Operation like Wetback.

Have you heard of that?

No, I haven't heard of that one.

Yeah.

Well, it was basically this program in which California needed immigrant labor.

And they would have people come in on these like work visas.

But of course, the

standard for getting a visa was like, you have to be a man.

You have to be able to work.

You you have to be able to work this many hours, you have to be this, like, it was very high.

So, people would come to the country on these visas, but they would bring their families because it's hard to be separated from your family, you know?

And then they would allow their families to work too, but because they're not on the visas, they'd just be like, You're gonna have to work, and we're not gonna stop.

Like, you're not gonna stop working.

Um, and if you tell anyone, we'll deport you.

Damn, if you stop, we'll deport you.

That's crazy.

Yeah, I mean, and so there is this capitalist benefit to

having illegal immigrants as a part of our labor force.

And

I don't know, it just makes me sad that instead of kind of empathizing with these people, with these immigrants, as we all once were, we just kind of shit on them and have essentially just allowed this country to hunt them, to put them in cages.

That's disgusting.

Like there's no better solution than putting people in cages, separating children, keeping children in cages.

And I know that Biden and Obama did that too.

Obama did a lot.

He did a lot.

And I do not agree with that or respect that.

And I wish that this country would approach the issue of immigration from a more empathetic outlook.

And instead of how can we get these people out?

How can we create a symbiotic relationship with these communities?

How can we incorporate these communities into American culture so that we can all benefit?

from them being here because i do think they're a huge benefit to our country i can see though they need to make the legal route easier because like I'm getting married this year and a lot of my girl's family is in Bolivia and other countries.

They can't even come to the wedding.

It's really hard.

Is that crazy?

It's really hard.

Yeah, it's nuts.

They have like nine to five jobs in their countries like for 20, 30 years and they're outstanding citizens.

It's really hard.

And I really, really hated the way that Trump, you know, say what you want about deportation.

I really hated the way that Trump characterized, you know, illegal immigrants.

You know, they're

going to your women, all this crazy shit.

It's like, you know you don't have to do that yeah a small percentage of them are doing those things but not all of them also

um americans do that too like that's true i mean

last i checked is not like a non-issue in this country yeah crime stats are are not a good i don't know they're not great yeah i mean it's not like we can really call anyone else out for being criminal Yeah, not great out here, too.

No.

In LA.

Like, I'm sure you don't feel safe walking around at night.

Yeah.

I mean, my neighborhood is like getting a lot better, mostly because USC has gentrified the hell out of my neighborhood.

But yeah, it can be weird.

I've had some friends who have been like chased by homeless people and stuff like that.

Chase, yeah,

not to say that all homeless people are going to attack you, but yeah, welcome to USC paying 50K a year for

it's more, it's more than 50.

Oh, yeah, my god, oh, yeah, how much more are we talking?

I think it's 70.

Holy

You have a scholarship, though, right?

No.

Wow.

So you're going to be 280K in debt.

Oh, your dad?

No.

What?

You've been paying it yourself?

My mom.

Oh, your mom's the baller.

Okay.

Shout out to mom.

Why is she a feminist?

Oh, okay.

Little girl boss.

Yes.

Let's go.

Shout out to the mom.

Straight up, girl boss.

My mom is a bad bitch.

I see where you get it from though.

No, my mom is fucking a comic.

I love my mom.

I love my dad, too.

My dad taught me a lot about politics, but my mom really modeled and exemplified how to be, how to do everything, you know?

And it's so funny to me when Republicans like Candace Owens are like, go make him a sandwich.

And it's like, I don't know.

My mom had a full-time job my entire upbringing and still managed to be a really kick-ass mom.

I love that.

You can do it.

It's not impossible.

And the idea that women are going to be bad mothers if they have jobs or that they can't be moms and have jobs is a a myth.

It's just not true.

Well Naima, where can people find you and see what you're doing next?

Oh yeah, my Instagram is hair.soup with two P's at the end and my TikTok is just hair.soup with one P at the end.

Also check her out guys.

Potential debate in the future.

But you'll see.

Stay tuned.

Peace.

Bye.