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Right now, you know, I just take it day by day and try to figure out where I can get some money.

You know, I see all these things that are going viral now, and like, it's a different time.

I feel like if you're not getting money with the internet and you're not part of this, you are going to get left behind.

It's not like when we were kids, and the only successful people that had easy jobs were like actors and athletes.

Now it's like, nah, man, you can get some money.

You just got to know where to look for that.

Yeah.

All right, guys.

One of the craziest stories you're probably going to hear on the show, and that's saying a lot, 1,500 episodes, but we got cash here today.

Thanks for coming on, man.

How you doing?

Yeah, it's good to be free finally.

You've been fighting federal cases and investigations for what, 17 years now?

Yeah.

Crazy.

And it's finally over?

Yeah, there hasn't been a day since April of 07 to

August of 24 that I haven't been either out on bail under investigation or on federal supervision.

That's nuts.

It's just pretty good to have that like off my back now and be able to travel and go places and get my passport back.

You know, it's pretty cool.

Yeah.

So how did that all start?

And April of 2007 was when the first one happened.

Just being on the radar, like, you know,

it's crazy because I feel like I was one of the original people who ever got in trouble for being like posting on social media before it was like really because that definitely got the attention of like some local cops.

And then I had like a big state case where there was

some funny business with the police in there, man.

And that ended up getting taken care of.

And then I fought a federal case.

probably one of the largest marijuana cases that they've seen in the fed system.

How many pounds was

they say like 22 000 pounds it's over 10 000 kilograms is how they do the marijuana in like um the fed so holy 22 000 pounds is what they say

that's insane yeah so you fought that one for a while then yeah i did like prior to covet and then going through all of it um

you know it was a it was a messy situation i don't wish nobody to go through that they don't really they always get what they want at the end of it so i end up um everybody on my case it's like 16 co-defendants jeez my best friend was the main target of it.

He had a little couple of incidences where he got on their radar.

And because him and I were just so similar, like there really wasn't a lot of evidence on me.

But because we do everything so similar, same cars, same lifestyle, same jewelry, everything was always the same.

They looped you in.

They looped me in.

They actually told him, man, we take half the time off of you if you tell on him.

And he said, no.

He said, no, and he should be home by about next year, 13 more months.

I think he'll be home.

That's a real one.

Yeah, he's as solid as they come, man.

Free that guy.

Free Kev, like, he's he's as good as they come, man.

How many of the 16 started turning on each other and snitching?

All the top people where we were at, nobody told on each other.

Nice.

I feel like that's rare, right?

Super rare.

Super rare.

Like, when you see these cases, like,

you know, everybody either has to move as one unit or like, then they start telling on each other.

Like, people start taking deals fast and, you know, agreeing, confirming what they already speculate.

Yeah.

But the feds don't come until they already got you.

Like, the feds is pretty much open to shut case.

Yeah, 98%, right?

98% conviction rate.

Yeah.

So you're going to, you're ending up going to take a deal.

Like everybody on our case, we collectively was like, man, we just take the deal.

They just want the money, right?

Yeah, that's what I ended up having to do.

I had to forfeit a lot of money.

Like, they really, I, you know, thank God I didn't have to do no jail time.

My buddy kind of like jumped on the grenade for us on that one.

Yeah.

Um,

I had to forfeit a lot of money, like four years probation, federal supervision.

So,

you know, it sucks.

They get what they want.

He tried to offer them some money.

They wouldn't take no more money.

They were like, no, we got enough money.

We want some time out of here.

Because our investigation was messed up because it was so much money.

They thought it was like cocaine and shit like that.

Yeah.

Right.

And, you know, when they put their money into that investigation, it's like millions of dollars that they probably put into that over the course of a couple of years.

With lawyers and agents, somebody's got to sit down.

You know what I mean?

They got to have, even when they realized it was just marijuana, because we were going up to Garberville and like way before it was a popular thing.

Distro's in LA before it was popular.

And then now, you know, everybody's in the business.

i don't nothing's depreciated as much as weed has i heard though yeah the black market's dead now right the black market green market like even if you see out here in these dispensaries right now they're they're losing money 50 ounces you can't make any money on that you got 38 tax on it you know you got to pay for your real estate nutrients you got to pay for your retail space you got to pay for your um person to sell it working for you there's really no money left in it i i don't see the profit margin and i know people that wanted 30 million dollars for uh dispensaries and grow operations out here that they'll take like six now geez yeah even planet 13 i heard is losing money all of them and they're like the biggest nothing's nothing's depreciated as much as weed in like 2008 i used to pay like fifty five hundred dollars a pound crazy same pound of weed today is probably like 1300 bucks is that because they legalized it and made them way more cheaper no i think it's because back then not so many people were growing like you know you had grow houses right now because there's all these operations that are huge people have warehouses is growing on a bigger scale

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Sometimes it's not as micromanaged as good, so you have a lot of like mediocre weed.

Yeah, very few people have like real strong, strong, like top shelf grade A weed.

Yeah, everybody else is just like, they don't want good weed, people want good enough weed, and that's all they're growing really now.

Well, now the weed's insanely strong, right?

Compared to

I don't think so.

Really?

No, I think some I think some things have gotten better because you know, obviously things are going to get better.

You get better.

But as a whole, I think there's more mediocre wheat out now than there is great wheat.

I think the wheat out here in Nevada is just too dry.

The pick date to the sale date is 90 days.

Is that good or bad?

Bad.

That's too long.

You wouldn't want 90-day old vegetables.

Right.

Yeah, 90 days.

If the vegetable was sitting down for 90 days, you'd be kind of grossed out by it, right?

Yeah.

So same thing.

As soon as you pick it, it's dying.

You have like a sweet point.

You would like to get it in the consumer's hands within about three weeks.

Yeah.

Picking it, trimming it, getting it all the way together.

Really, like two weeks if you can.

Damn, 90 days.

California is a different, like, that's why they're always going to be the best.

No matter where you go in the world, California is going to be handsome.

That's where most of it's grown, right, Callie?

Not so much anymore because that's why the markets are all messed up.

You have states like Oklahoma that you had like one or two guys who thought they were smart go to Cal from California to Oklahoma, and now people don't have to come to California to get weed.

The market is messed up now.

We were ahead of the game because we had transport.

Transport is where all your money's at.

With the the trucks and everything.

Trucks, airplanes, whatever you're going to use.

Damn, you had planes.

Let's go.

It's not as difficult as you think, man.

You can get anything pretty much anywhere you want it to be.

You just got to have the nuts to do it.

I mean, dude, I had on the biggest car, carjacker in the world last week, and he was transporting 100 cars a week overseas.

You got nuts.

Crazy, right?

Like, you just got to believe in your hustle.

I think if you believe in your hustle, whatever you're doing, just try to be the best at it.

Yeah.

I try to surround myself around the best of the best, whether it was like music or weed or whatever business that I had any interest in.

I've always tried to put myself around the best of the best of it.

So if you believe it, I think you can achieve it.

That's how you grow, right?

You're not going to grow if you surround yourself with amateurs.

Nah, but like now you have like Michigan and Oklahoma where people don't have to come all the way to California to get the weed.

Yeah.

And they're growing shitweed.

But I would rather drive four hours from Tennessee to Oklahoma to pick up weed than take a chance of putting my money on an airplane, coming back, bringing it back.

And there's a lot of risk in that.

So like the weed market has just really gone to especially like i feel like this year is really just from what i hear and i see from people talking like it's a up time right now it's not like it used to be like prior to covid man that's like when you see you know like the guys coming with big chains and like everybody had money yeah

and now it's scary because everybody used to have money right so these guys get accustomed to this lifestyle and like you know now everybody's robbing each other like there's no there's no face card in the game anymore it's it's different free feti whopp right free all of them man yeah for weed i i think it was it's crazy that people are getting long sentences for weed when it's legal my best friend got nine years yeah but it's legal in like what 20 states now 39 states i think holy crap 39 39 states have some type of form of legalization in it right now and people are getting 10 to 20 years for it

we my boy got nine got 108 months in the feds and um i felt like that was crazy to get sentenced like that but with the programs and everything and like you know trump put like that first step back he they're shaving some of that time down but still nobody should be in jail for weed like I don't feel like I was doing anything wrong.

You didn't kill anyone?

No.

And I feel like Amazon will be doing this in 10 years.

Like, we were a little bit ahead of each other, of the competition, a little bit ahead of everybody else.

You might get me for operating without a business license.

I'll take that charge.

But to be known as a drug trafficker now for the rest of my life off of that is kind of crazy.

Yeah, that's nuts.

What do you think the next move is?

You think it's mushrooms?

Because weed is dead.

No, because I don't believe people can consume mushrooms at the rate you can consume weed.

Like you could eat an out, you could smoke an ounce of weed.

if you consumed an ounce of mushrooms you're probably pretty fucked up and like you couldn't do it like back to back people micro dose people with smoke weed they overdose like facts you know what i'm saying it's hard to consume and then the price point is just really low like mushrooms is 500 a pound that's it yeah something like that the chocolate bars are like yeah that's how they make their money you make the chocolate bar you process it you make you know you cater it to somebody that

wants it like that.

You know what I mean?

Like all the weed now is like that.

Now they say everybody wants a happy meal.

People buy an ace of weed with a toy inside.

It comes with a backpit, like a little,

like, it should be stupid to me.

Like, give me my weed in a sandwich if we were going to do that.

Did you catch the pen wave?

Because those were hot when I was in college, the weed pens.

So, my steak case, I had a lot of problems because they had raided a big house out here, and there was a lot of wax at the time.

And

the reason I ended up beating that case was because in 2013, when my house got raided, on the search warrant, it said marijuana, cocaine, guns, whatever.

But marijuana was only flour.

It wasn't wax.

It had to be THC to be wax.

So they waited three years to indict me for that.

Whoa.

So they kept the...

They kept it.

The law changed in 2014.

In 2015, they tested it.

2016, they came with the indictment.

No way.

That shouldn't be allowed.

It was a crazy thing.

And like, my lawyer caught it like the day before we were going to take the deal.

They were going to offer me a little

deal.

And

he was like, wait, no.

And he went and he looked in the law books.

John Mommott, rest in peace to John Mommot.

You know, I think he was one of the best lawyers out here in Vegas.

He played himself in casino, but that's dope.

Yeah, he ended up beating that case for me.

He ended, we ended up getting like two misdemeanors because everything in that whole situation was bullshit.

It was more of like a personal thing.

Yeah.

Some funny business on their side, I feel like.

It wasn't just if it was just by the books, you know, hey, you sometimes the mouse gets caught by the cap, but that wasn't the situation there.

But going back to what you were saying, like the wax, so I didn't fuck with it because the wax ends up being manufacturing.

It's like cooking meth.

When I ended up catching that, when I had to go into that indictment,

they really were tripping because in Nevada,

making drugs or manufacturing drugs, it's a 10-to-life sentence.

So

to me, I stay away from all that stuff.

And then my personal preference has always been flour.

Yeah.

So, you know,

it's hard for me to really mess with anything that I don't like.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Did you know it's still something you believe in?

Yeah.

Did you know that raid was coming or is complete shock, complete surprise?

It was a lot of funny shit.

They definitely let you know that they're watching and that they're coming.

Yeah.

you just, I feel like you got to move on point at all times.

Like, move as if they're always watching, move as if they are going to raid tomorrow morning.

That's kind of how I like you.

You see it, you know, they were going through my trash can for like a year.

Damn, yeah, that's nuts.

Yeah, all the stuff you see in like the movies and stuff like that.

That shit has some truth to it.

They really be doing dumb shit.

Was that DA?

Who was that?

That was actually state police out here.

State police were dumb?

And at the time, because it was 2013, they were finding like on the affidavit that they submitted to the judge, they were

showing what they find on like the trash digs.

It's like 0.2 grams of marijuana, 0.1 grams of marijuana.

Like today, a judge would laugh at that.

You know what I mean?

But back then, you know, just to show you how much the times have changed, that was 12 years ago.

You know, they seemed like a Rolls-Royce for me at the time and told the bank, hey, this guy's, we suspect him of drug trafficking.

We found a small piece of weed in the car.

This is evidence of drug trafficking.

We're going to give you guys the car back.

If you give it back to him, we're going to take it a second time, and then you guys are out of the money.

So they end end up selling the car and paying me the difference um

what's it called the the equity that was in the car when they sold it at auction damn because they were like you can have any other car you want just not this car that's how the bank was with me that's nuts but it just goes to show you how much we've come from just from dealing with weed like 0.2 grams of weed back in the day was enough to get search warrants and crazy and seize cars and today like you find that on the floor yeah for real so when you see these guys going on podcasts these drug dealers and you pretty much know it's cap, right?

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Yeah, I don't believe them.

Like, unless you can, like, back your paperwork up or we can really see, like, you went through the process.

And, you know,

I don't believe, you know, like they just had that situation over there with the no jumper guys.

You know what I mean?

Like, either you're full of shit or you're going to get in trouble.

And we're going to see the truth, right?

Yeah.

So, like, I got in trouble, so I can talk about it.

So I'm not full of shit.

everybody else i don't i don't i don't believe it like and it's your story you can tell it how you want i feel like at your level you would have known most of the top guys for sure it's like if any any field if you deal with like doctors in las vegas all the doctors know each other yeah the real doctors know each other the guys who are really moving and shaking like there was definitely at all the states like people were anybody that was getting some money knew who you were or you see them like we would see them at all-star games super bowls yeah bt awards any of these type of things like the guys who are moving, shaking, fights, and stuff like that, you're going to see them.

You're going to see them there.

If you really getting some money, we want to see it.

You're going to spend it.

You know what I mean?

Like, money's worthless until you spend it.

Yeah.

So all the guys that are getting fast money, if you're not spending it, I don't really believe you've got it or we're getting to it.

Yeah.

You got to show that.

Yeah, we got to see it.

Like, where are the cars at?

Where's everything else?

And then there's a lot of seasonal ballers, too.

I love that term.

There's a lot of seasonal ballers.

Like, I've seen guys get two seasons in real quick and then never see them again.

You know, like, we want to see consistency.

How far back does it go?

I want to see how long you've been getting money.

Because anybody can just kill him up on some money.

You can get rich.

If you get rich once, you might have got lucky.

You do it twice, three times, okay, you might have a hustle to you.

What are your predictions for Wes Watson?

You think you can maintain this, this lifestyle?

I think those guys bite off more than they chew.

I think once you kind of get exposed, it's all kind of downhill from there.

As far as those guys go, man, I think all those guys, you know, like once the cat's out the bag, we all kind of see what it is.

You're kind of just like pressing people.

You're trying to to be like a drill sergeant, football coach on these guys.

And we're not really seeing, like, I don't know, where are the real results?

You know,

I haven't, I don't believe these guys because where was the money before it?

Like, if you're going to coach me or you're going to tell me how to do something, be successful in something else other than just talking on the phone.

Facts.

Right?

Like, do you have successful businesses?

Do you, have you done things that's difficult in your life?

Like, what did you go to jail for?

I don't really know what dude went to jail for, and I don't know all the details to it all, but it's like, was you getting some money?

You talk talk all this money stuff any of these guys that are coaching and telling you all this money stuff like i want to see where the money is at like do you have like the receipts from it and can we see it or yeah did you just come up and you're bombing because you got the subscribers like were you successful prior to this or are you just selling a dream yeah so guys like that i feel like that's going to get exposed in the next couple probably like by the end of this year i feel like a lot of these online coaches that don't really have any receipts of their success or really did anything i think all that shit is going to kind of come out and then some people will last like you got some people you know, who are really motivating people and helping people and are real coaches, like CEOs and stuff like that.

If you're just praying on weak people, I think that's kind of fucked up.

Yeah.

You know, I think that's what those guys are kind of doing.

Like, you got, you want to make some money, you don't have no money, give me the last little bit of money you have, and I'll show you how to get some money.

Like, but you're not really showing me how to get some money.

You might show me how to edit a TikTok video and tell me that that was what I paid for.

Yep, I'm not a fan of that.

You know, like,

I want to hear successful people tell me how to get some money.

You know, like, I got some successful friends.

I sit around them and I listen because

it's there.

Guys who

just went viral, I don't really feel like you should give me life advice.

I'm with you, though.

What's the next move for you?

You looking into some businesses and stuff?

We're always going to hustle.

We're always going to have some businesses going.

Right now, you know, I just take it day by day and try to figure out where I can get some money.

You know, I see all these things that are going viral now.

And like, it's a different time.

I feel like if you're not getting money with the internet and you're not part of this, you are going to get left behind.

It's not like when we were kids and the only successful people that had easy jobs were like actors and athletes.

Now it's like, nah, man, you can get some money.

You just got to know where to look for it at.

Yeah, because you've been low-key for your whole life and now social media is going to be a new thing for you.

Yeah, it's kind of different, like, you know, to be outside and stand in front of the pictures.

Like all the pictures I got, you know, they were just either by myself because I didn't want to put nobody else in with it, or it's like with somebody who I can take a picture with.

Now it's a whole different thing sitting in front of cameras versus being behind the cameras.

Yeah.

You're doing anything?

You're doing a documentary, you said?

Yeah, people company reached out and they want to do a documentary.

We're going to do a part one and a part two.

Part one would be the state case and part two would be the Fed case.

And we're the show.

It's not, you know, we're not trying to glorify being criminals.

We're just saying be a product of your environment.

And if you see a niche that you can make some money, do it.

I feel like you can apply that to anything.

It's not just like, this is what was in front of me.

It doesn't mean that, oh, this person's a bad person or this person's a good person.

Like, you meet a guy out here that has three dispensaries.

and you think he's a totally legit guy.

He's a good guy.

You talk to somebody like me and you'd be like, oh, well, you're a drug trafficker like

you know so it's it's it's a different it's a different time now like you know you got to get in where you fit in and try to make this money how you can they demonize weed for uh my parents generation i feel like absolutely like i remember out here in nevada when we were in school a seed was a felony

just having a seed just having a seed in nevada was a felony back then That's crazy.

And now you look at it and like, you know, you got guys walking around here and just walking right outside in front of the sidewalk on the strip.

Yep.

No problem no it's definitely changed it's definitely changed yeah my mom used to freak out bro yeah we used to do all kinds of precautions to smoke weed i remember we used to smoke weed in the garage in 120 degree weather just to not get caught like that was dumb good old hot box in the car yeah

now you know what i mean like they're making pot lounges they're doing all this stuff it's crazy those aren't doing well out here the consumption lounges i don't think they do well because i'd rather sell alcohol than weed right people get high that's like i went to amsterdam i flew all the way to amsterdam to go smoke weed once we got there we started smoking.

I'm like, okay, now what?

10 minutes into it was like, fuck, thank God.

Like, Amsterdam's like the most museums in the world per capita is in Amsterdam.

But, like, we literally got all the way over there, smoked, and like, looked around.

It was kind of like, now what?

You know what I'm saying?

You went straight to the red light district.

Nah.

We definitely blanced by it, though.

We definitely was peeking over there.

And I don't think nobody wanted to get caught

spending their money and getting that reputation.

But no, it was definitely, it was definitely some cool shit.

But consumption lounges, I don't feel like they do.

Well, like, you wouldn't sell chicken fingers yeah pie heads don't really drink alcohol like you so if you have a restaurant out here and you have a bar your bar does 65 of your revenue

consumption lounge like what are you gonna charge me like a sacking fee like instead of a corking fee i don't really see how that works out too well then what makes me really want to get off my couch and go smoke weed at you on your couch yeah you know like a hookah lounge okay hookah's a lot of work you got to have somebody come but i don't and you can have alcohol i would have a hookah lounge over uh over a weed consumption lounge People smoke weed wherever.

Weed is like an accessory thing.

It's not the thing you want to do.

It just makes everything a little bit better.

You want to go to the club.

You want to go watch a movie.

You smoke weed.

It makes everything just a little bit better.

You have sex, but smoke weed, it makes it a little bit better.

It's not the main thing you want to do.

It's kind of an accessory to everything you want to do.

What's the highest you've ever been?

Who are you with and what happened?

Me and Snoop got high, pretty, pretty high one time.

You got a little smoke off?

Me and Snoop sat on the balcony at the Palms one time.

We was like a, like a late, it was like a hotel party that we were at.

And really, it just ended up being me and him sitting on the balcony smoking.

Like, you know, chick would come out every once in a while, want to come smoke with us and just take a picture with him.

But really, me and him just sat on the balcony and just smoked until fucking sun came up.

It was pretty tight.

I ain't gonna lie.

Like, know who Snoop was and being a little kid looking up to him and then like being able to have that story is pretty tight.

Yeah, that's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, I feel like.

Yeah.

Yeah, there's some pretty cool people out here.

And we attract cool people to you.

We just open up a lot of doors for me.

You know what I mean?

You get around the right people.

Like, even even just having it in your pocket, it smells good.

I remember we used to walk around at the AVN convention out here and have weed in our pocket and every chick would walk by and be like, oh, you got that?

That would just be our little, that would be just our little way to like get in with the girls and be chopping it up with the girls.

Yeah, that's so smart.

I didn't even think of that.

Anything you go, man, just

leave it open.

Just put it in your pocket, but leave it open.

This is a perfect spot for it.

Same thing.

Right here with all these internet.

You know what I mean?

Everybody here would want to come and see, hey, man, you got that?

You know, and if it's good weed and it's loud, you're going to attract everybody around you.

Oh, yeah, and your shit's loud,

it was good, allegedly.

Well, dude, it's been cool.

Where can people uh find you on social media and keep up with you?

Uh, Natter underscore Nevada, it's N-A-D-E-R underscore Nevada.

Um,

I'm just around, man.

If you see me outside, don't say, hi, it's all good.

Shake your hand, make a friend.

Oh, yeah.

Check him out, guys.

Stay tuned.

He's going to be blowing up over the next few months.

See you next time.