The Mindset Shift Every Entrepreneur Needs to Succeed | Mackenzie Dern DSH #1414

Juana, did you ever hear of Juana Jeffrey Jump?

She was like, she had that big,

her forehead got like really, really big in a fight.

Like she got all these punches.

They like blew up like crazy.

But she, she was a really good like talker, Ronda Rousey too.

Like, you know, kind of like the mean girls kind of thing.

So, I mean, and it's pay-per-view.

It's what you need, you know?

So, that's what made it.

Okay, guys, Mackenzie Dern here today.

We got her before celebrity poker tournament.

Gonna be a big night for you.

Yeah, I'm excited.

You know, usually, like we were saying, we kind of get into drinking and stuff like that for the poker game.

But today, I'm really focused.

I'm not gonna have my water already.

I'm gonna be hydrating and be focused.

And I really want to get the

belt.

I haven't, I've played for like about four or five times already.

So I'm due for a win.

You're a veteran at this point.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

What's the

strategy?

I mean, I've been taking classes, poker classes.

So, I mean, the strategy is to,

you know, play good hands,

put pressure, you know, like not just buying mini races all the time, you know, like really come in with some more pressure.

Jose, last time he was like, yeah, you have to kind of look at the probability.

I'm not good at math.

That wasn't my strength in school, you know.

So the math part, I'm not really good at, but I'm starting to understand, like, okay, maybe there's two pairs, maybe there's a sequence.

So just kind of take my time, like maybe three to five seconds before I make a decision and

try and get as much, much chips as I can to get me to the final table.

Wow.

So you're taking this serious.

You're taking classes on the side.

You're

learning from Jose.

This is an investment.

Well, I know you're competitive, so that makes sense.

Yeah, I know.

My daughter, she's so funny.

She's like, I'll ask her, what does your mom do for work?

She's like, oh, she's a fighter.

She plays poker.

I'm like, wow, she thinks I'm a poker player for work.

What a combo.

Maybe you transition into that after you're done fighting.

Yeah, maybe.

That'd be fun.

I mean, travel around the world.

They have so many tournaments.

Like, I've got a couple and you just meet so many people.

Like Telly Swift, she's like, told Princess, you know, they've all just showed me all these different competitions that they have all around the Bahamas.

You know, I'm like,

I want to do that.

Shout out to Princess.

I just saw her talking about she made half a mil her first year playing poker.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's crazy, right?

Yeah, that's crazy.

Yeah, I guess you can make some good money if you're playing in the right games.

For sure.

And I think women, we kind of have like, um, well, I mean, I think the guys don't think we know how how to play oh easy you know what i mean and i mean and there's not really that many women that are in it too so um yeah but i go to like the casinos and there's like these old you know asian women and they're like and all they're they're i'm like dang what they're again oh they're playing poker yeah yeah

i thought they played baccarat yeah maybe

probably that too yeah old asian woman yeah that'd be hard to read in poker yeah for sure they got no emotion yeah exactly and they're like you know just eating their food you know just throwing the chips out They barely look at their hands.

And I'm like, looking.

Yeah, they've seen it.

They've seen everything at that age.

Yeah, for sure.

Got a lot of wisdom.

You play at the casinos?

Like, you're playing poker casually at the...

I got fifth.

No, I got fourth place at the win.

After my first time playing for celebrity poker, I went the next day.

I was like, okay, let me just go in this tournament at the win.

And then I got fourth.

And of course, like at the table, like as we're going through, people are like, oh, you're a fighter and everything.

And then I think that kind of distracted them a little bit, you know, and then they were kind of like, I don't know, know they probably think i have so much money so it's okay i'll just throw it down you know what i mean and they're kind of they're they're a little bit more aware of you know not wanting to spend and everything um

so

yeah exactly and so it was like and i really didn't know what i was doing but that's kind of dangerous because then things just happen like they work out yeah but once you kind of know the the the

like what could happen you know really the possibilities then you're like oh shoot you know so i already got that experience you know like yeah just trying it out i'm like oh okay i got you you know know, now I know all the different types of possibilities that can happen.

Yeah, they think you're lunch meat.

They think you're a whale.

Yeah, exactly.

You fighting again this year?

Are you taking the rest of the year off?

No, for sure.

I want to fight.

I wanted to try and get three fights this year.

But my last two fights were against people behind me on the ranking.

Yeah.

And I got two wins.

So we want something that would get me to the belt, you know, and I'm number five.

Nice.

So the top four would be, I mean, I can't fight for the belt right now.

Probably one more fight.

So I'm just waiting for the top four girls.

All four of them, they just fought each other last month, you know?

So we're kind of to see who recovers the quickest, you know, who will be open for a fight.

I fought all of them already.

So it would be another rematch.

My last fight was a rematch.

So I think I'm just going to go through my losses and get those rematches back.

Oh, so you lost to all the top four?

Yeah, I fought all three of them.

Well, there's one, Tatiana Suarez, who haven't fought her.

Okay.

So, but she, she's fought in like, she's been in the UFC for like almost 10 years and she's only fought in like

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So I want to try to get two more fights in the serum, but right now we're just waiting.

I love it.

Yeah.

Do you think those losses are redeemable?

You think they're beatable?

For sure.

Yeah, for sure.

For sure.

One of the girls

that I was going to be fighting for the battle next,

what everyone's saying.

She's a Brazilian girl, Verna.

She kind of has like one eye goes to one side and the other one to the crazy hair.

She's, she's super cool, you know?

But she's a grappler like me.

And I fought her and I beat her.

She ended up fighting the girls in the top five that I fought.

And I lost to them and she fought them after me.

And then she just like took them, took them down and like submitted them, which is like technically what I should have done, you know.

But I get into the striking, you know, and so I'm like, man, see, I got to just do what she's doing because me and her, I feel like

I fight better against her.

Yeah.

But she's able to put our game, which is grappling, better against the girls than I am, you know?

But I feel like the girls are so scared to fight against me, you know?

Really?

Yeah.

I feel like they're like, they do everything they can.

They like fight for their life to not go to the ground you know and like with her and then they beat me and they're like okay well i can hang with any girl on the ground now and then they go with her and then she's like a little bit more basic her grappling but it's just like straight to the point kind of thing oh she's not as fancy with it no yeah i'm like doing like oma platas and like like a pretzel stuff they don't know what's happening you know they're like

you know and then like maybe they survive But, you know, the judges don't, they can't tell.

Like, was she like in real danger?

I'm like, yeah, her arm was like all the way almost twisted off.

You know what I mean?

But the grappling, you can't really tell tell how dangerous punches you can see, like, okay, their nose is bleeding, you know, okay, they got knocked down.

Grappling, you can be like in so much danger, and you can't really tell if you're in danger or not, you know, right?

Because you're adrenaline, everything's happening so fast, and it's just like a knot, they don't know what's going on inside that ball, you know?

It's like, is it their shoulder?

Is their neck getting, you know, is their leg, is their knee being like, you know, twisted, torque?

Are they feeling so much pain?

So it's like way harder to get a 10-8 round on the grappling than it is on the striking, you know?

Yeah, because there's so many ways you can, I guess, hurt them when you're grappling versus versus punching You're just aiming for maybe the head and the leather kicks, you know one of my fights They gave her the first round the fight was decided on the first round the first two and a half minutes I took like five kicks to the to my leg like strong kicks, but I kept moving forward and then at two and a half minutes I took her to the ground like a clean takedown and then I was controlling the whole the second half of the round

I was like trying to punch, but she was kind of holding on to me too.

So I was kind of like having to create space and like punch.

I wasn't as like doing too much damage, but they gave her that round because of her five kicks, you know what I mean?

And instead of over the control, you know,

and then that's just kind of thing where you don't want to leave it in the hands of the judges because like, okay, she was kicking me, but I was still able to put my game.

So I feel like, you know what I mean?

So it just comes down to like correcting those errors that I think for sure I got that experience.

So they really value leg kicks, huh?

I guess.

Yeah, I mean, I guess like, I mean, if it was like, okay, I'm like falling to the ground, you know, like people can, I've seen people in the first round get like the fight over because of leg kicks.

They can't put their foot on the ground but they were really strong with like leg kicks too you know you know some of them look painful i've never been kicked in the leg so i can't relate but have you ever been kicked anywhere in the balls yeah oh god

the leg kicks i've seen some good ones yeah no for sure like where they they can't put their foot anymore

yeah what is it about that that hurts so much is it specific part of the leg um you get the nerve She caught my nerve a couple times where it just like all tingles down a lot, you know?

But

yeah, unless you check it, which checking hurts so so bad but it's like it hurts them too so then they try

right yeah exactly but um

yeah it's just like i don't know it's the muscle the muscle on the shin on the chin guard yeah my whole my leg was like i didn't go to i've never gone to the hospital after the fight we can go to the hospital usually they if you want you can go to the hospital right away i didn't go i went like two days and my leg just like blew up and then i went to the hospital like five days later you know and i was like almost a month with my leg like this big it was crazy yeah i wonder if you could train your leg to take more of those those.

Yeah.

You think you can?

Yeah.

I mean, what, that's what they do in Thailand, right?

I think they like kick like palm trees and stuff and like pole.

They kick like poles and everything.

Not so crazy.

Definitely you can like have um like even my my

my my shin, it's like you can tell there's like callus inside, you know, there's like lumps and everything.

Really?

Yeah.

It's not like a nice smooth, you know.

Nice smooth leg.

It's like kind of bulky.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah, just on my left side, you know?

Oh, just on the left because your left foot ahead of your right when you foot.

Yeah, so that's a little bit the easier one for them to kick.

Damn.

But now I have distance.

I'm like, see, so all the losses, all those things, like those injuries, they like all bring us to like correct the things that if we win, sometimes we don't notice that we're doing wrong.

Right.

So now I have this like, okay, now I really get out of the way when I need to and get back in fast and get that movement going.

So it's making me a striker, a better striker.

Yeah.

These days, I feel like you need to have it in your repertoire, right?

Striking.

Yeah, for sure.

You can't be a champion if you don't have like,

you know, some, you've got to be all around then today's days you can't just be with it with like just one martial art you know background you can have a you can have your strength but you have to be able to do everything a little bit of everything you know i wonder if khabib would uh still be undefeated today because he was just known for the wrestling right but did you see his striking i mean his striking wasn't like the best but he was like just like do crazy stuff he like did a overhand knocked down conor mc gregor you know like wobbled him it's like the people you don't expect that they land the stuff you know you're expecting like the takedowns takedowns and then all of a sudden like a punch gets you so as long as you like have the guts to you know and you're willing to get into the firing lane you know strikers they stay on outside grappling we have to go through the firing lane you know you have to kind of go through it bite down on your on your mouth protector and go

was striking your biggest weakness when you were first starting fighting in the ufc No, wrestling.

Really?

Yeah, wrestling.

I have the, I have the striking.

I mean, I'm not like the best striker, but I have, I have what I need.

You know, I have like heavy hands um

i have like you know the will like i'm not scared to get hit i don't mind getting like punched in the face like defense but and i have the grappling but that transition to take them to the ground i do a lot of judo my dad's a judo black belt you know so um a lot of judo takedowns but it's like closing that distance and taking the takedowns that was the hardest for me and now i really got i'm way more comfortable now with wrestling it's like fun for me now i used to hate it was the worst training was wrestling yeah because the takedowns you're using a lot of energy, right?

Yeah, so if you mess up a few times, you're going to get gassed.

Or if they like block you, you know, like if they defend it, your neck is like, you know, you fall like all this.

You're like, oh, man, it kills you.

Yeah.

I mean, grappling, we just like, we can pull guard.

You know what, pull guard, you know what guard is?

I've heard of it, yeah.

I'm a novice with this stuff, but yeah, it's like when you're on the bottom and then you're, you wrap your legs around them, you know?

So in the jiu-jitsu world, we can just like start the fight and we just lie down, you know, and we bring them into our guard, you know, and they're not allowed to back away, you know.

In MMA, if I'm on the ground they can make me stand up yeah i've seen memes of that where they'll just immediately go on the ground yeah

right when the fight starts yeah exactly people don't like that though yeah they're not like obligated to go into our game you know that we're obligated to stand back up you know unless we take them down you know yeah because you could uh have boring fights but then yeah people like you'll win but people don't like you yeah yeah exactly i don't want to do that yeah i don't want to i want to be like you know i mean because there's always that risk you never win the belt you know i mean how many people are trying to get the belt i hope you guys are enjoying the show please don't forget to like and subscribe it helps the show a lot with the algorithm thank you of course i really believe i can get the belt i'm doing everything i can to get the belt but if you know they have like dustin for i mean dustin for you he's had like the um he's had the interim belt you know and things like that but it's like they have so many great fighters that they've never actually won the belt And I want to like, man, I don't want to go through all of this and maybe I don't end up winning the belt.

And then like people just like, oh, forget.

Like, I want them back, man.

No, she's had like crazy fights and she was a good fighter, she was entertaining, you know.

And I mean, I've gotten a lot of bonuses, so that's good.

Oh, yeah, fight of the night.

Yeah.

Well, I've gotten like two fight of the nights, two or three, and then a lot of performance bonuses like for the submissions.

So, mostly my fight of the nights are with losses.

Really?

Yeah.

But so basically, I was like, you know, it was a back and forth, but I was on the losing end of it.

So I've, I've had a fight of the night when I've got the win, but more of my fight of the nights have been when I've came out with the like showing heart, you know?

So, I mean, that's good too, you know, bonus.

We both get the money, you know, it's good.

But yeah, my performances have been like all my submissions.

I mean, hey, Michael Chandler, he's getting fired tonight.

Yeah.

What did he say?

Are you not entertained?

He's a won in five years.

Yeah, yeah.

But his fights are fun to watch.

Yeah, for sure.

He just lost to

Pabbly, Pabby, Pablo McChanny.

Patty, Patty McClinton.

Yeah, that's a good one.

I wasn't.

Patty's like really showing, he's evolving a lot, you know.

I remember when his students came in, it was like, oh, he's not that good.

You know, people kind of not giving him the credit, you know, and he's really like just coming in and and getting better he gives hope to a lot of uh people because he has the dad bought in the offseason for sure for sure definitely i've never seen a fighter pull that off honestly really yeah no not like that yeah i know because i feel like most of you guys stay lean even in the off yeah fighting i mean we definitely bulk up you know but he's a different level yeah he's a different level he owns it though yeah for sure for sure yeah he looked good in his last fight yeah he was like lean you know he looked like like michael but just bigger you know but like they both looked lean and michael's was like, they both just had kids too, you know, they're like literally dads now, you know, like that, you know, they have like mom bods or mom cards, you know, it's like they're the dad, the dad bods and the dad, you know, it's like athletic and everything.

So it's really cool.

You had a kid in 2019, right?

Yes.

Was it really tough getting back into fighting after that?

I mean, it wasn't tough.

It was like, I knew I was going to do it.

I like, I wasn't like this motivated, but.

I mean, I think the hardest thing is just like the routine, you know, and being able to dedicate that time.

I'd be like training.

I thought I did a good job of it, you know, from the circumstances, but, you know, you're kind of like training, sparring, and then you're kind of hearing her crying, you know, a little bit in the background, you know, and so your mind tends to go off.

You know, it's really hard to just like turn off 100% for what, training an hour, you know what I mean?

But you had to like, you have to do it.

And it's like, in the beginning, they're very like with their mom, you know, like you have breastfeeding.

You have all these things that you have to be on top of it, you know, it's not like, so I mean, that was the, the hardest thing, but my body like recovered really, really good, Um,

which is crazy because that's kind of hard for a lot of women, yeah.

And um, yeah, I mean, I mean, thankfully, my job is like something that she can go to, you know, like she goes to the gym with me all the time, you know, she just like runs around the mats, and she's like, Now she thinks she's my coach, she's like, Coach, she's like, kick her in the head, you know, and then she comes and she'll bring me like water in the, in the one minute.

And then, my coach, my real coach, is like trying to tell me in one minute, like, okay, what you got to do?

And then, then she's like, Mom, mom, listen to me.

And then, like, my coach is like carrying it out because the bell rang, you know, and then she's like, ah, ah you wanted to give me like her two cents i'm like okay got you yeah she's really involved so i'm thankfully that's like my job lets me do that because you know women and people have to take time off and go to the office and then you have babysitters and stuff it's it's hard but i mean i think athletes in general a lot of them wait until we retire to have kids you know so i think i'm trying to do the best example that i can um

just by like

competing you know you know i feel that i'm not very like that kind that's like oh you need to do what i'm telling you you to do but i don't do it you know i'm like i try to lead by example you know that's the best way yeah that's what i think

yeah exactly that's how my dad was with me you know like i've he competes until today he's he's like 60 years old 64 years old and he competes with like the 19 year olds you serious yeah 20 year olds you know yeah and he's all like ripped and everything and it's just my whole life seeing him like cut weight wins and losses and training and like you know, tears and happiness.

And it's just like, yeah, you got to keep at it.

And it's worth it.

And he's traveling around the world.

and it's a really cool lifestyle that's impressive at that age i know i know might be a world record or something for sure for sure he has a world record or um in jiu-jitsu for the the guy who's competed the most um world championships all at black belt wow yeah so he's he's he's up there and he still competes in totode he'll fight this year i know he taught you at three right three years old yeah well i mean that's how it started But you know how it is?

It's like you start playing, you know, like wrestling, kind of like grappling,

teaching you little things learning how to fall learning like the basics you know like just being comfortable being in contact you know some kids they don't like that you know they don't like to have be contact it's like you know it doesn't doesn't feel good like someone holding on to you so it's something you got to really get them to feel comfortable with and so he was always on top of me with that you know like and i would always go after him and try to try to my whole life i've trained guys you know so it for me as a woman it's good because i can go my hundred percent and i won't be the guys 100 they'll be like their 70 80%, you know?

So I can always just like, and then once you go and fight a girl, it's a lot easier, you know?

It's like running with a weighted jacket.

Exactly, exactly.

Yeah, that's smart.

No wonder you're so good.

No, it's good.

And I mean, I've been doing this for so many years.

If I wasn't good by now, I should have tried something else.

I mean, because it's been like 30 years, you know, I've been training.

So, yeah.

You think your daughter's going to want to pursue this lifestyle too?

Ah, man, she says she's a fighter, but then at the same time, she says she doesn't want to fight, you know?

So with her friends, she's like, yeah, I'm a fighter, you know, and she'll like go with all my UFC stuff to school, like a hat and t-shirt.

But I mean, I don't know.

She doesn't like, like, she's really strong.

She doesn't cry for anything.

But

I don't know.

I think she feels a little bit of pressure, like being my daughter, you know?

So I think like anytime we go to events or like competitions or tournaments, you know, people are always asking, like, are you going to compete?

Oh, you're going to be a fighter too.

Are you going to be a fighter?

So I think she has a little bit of that pressure on her.

Kind of like, oh man, well, what like, not that good or this or that, you know what I mean?

But when we're at home and she rolls with me, she like wants to kill me.

When she goes against her friends, she does good, but she'll get like good positions.

And I'm like, oh, you can like go to the arm bar.

And she's like, no, it's my friend.

Like, she doesn't have that meanness with her friends, you know, like on the moment that she needs to, you know?

That killer instinct.

Yeah.

But with me, she does.

So I think it's something that will come out, you know, as soon as like.

her friends kind of start getting her, I think she'll want to do it back, you know?

Yeah, I wonder if that, that instinct is teachable because some people have it, right?

Yeah.

yeah for sure i mean like 80 of the people 90 of the people have that instinct in them you know what i mean it's like people like man it's crazy what you do but i'm like if you were paid lots of money i bet you would go into a fight you know you'd fight probably for like a hundred thousand dollars would you uh depends who yeah it depends like someone like you

like another influencer or whatever yeah that i didn't know i wasn't friends with them yeah or like well i mean like maybe who has the same training as you like like beginner you know have you trained before no no yeah as long as it's not sean strickland i'll do it for a hundred thousand yeah for sure you know so i mean definitely that guy's been beating up podcasters so has he yeah he just beat up another one like a week ago but like playing or like no like actually like

sparring for him is oh yeah got you yeah yeah sean he's a character yeah we'll leave it at that so he doesn't go after me but um no if it was just a normal person that had no training for 100k i would probably do it for sure right i mean you can you know how to give your life you know i mean you know how to like throw punches and like kick something, you know, you're like, you're gonna go crazy out there.

You know how to survive.

Like, you gotta think, like, do die, flight or flight, fight or flight, fight or flight.

You know, it turns on.

I'm usually flight, but if I had to, I'm sure it would turn on in a ring.

Yeah, for sure, you know.

And I mean, basically, we're fighting against other people who train just like us.

So, I mean, it's at a different level, but it's the same as you fighting a beginner.

You know what I mean?

So, we know, I know what they're doing, they know what I'm doing, and you know, you kind of, it's under control, you know, so it's worth it.

Yeah, have you fought someone really close to you, like a friend before um

let me see

or do you keep that separate from the business well i'm one of like the most friendliest ones in like the ufc basically i'm friends with almost all of all of the girls

there's very few girls that i'm like not cool with and everything like that which is like sometimes they get mad at me they're like oh well you know you're talking to me before the fight and then you go out there and then you like go and beat me you know what i mean but it's like i'm gonna be the friend if they beat me or not you know but some people they have to kind of turn that off you know to be able to punch them because you really want to hurt the person, you know?

Like, I feel like I would have to separate it.

Yeah, you know, because when it gets down to like, okay, I'm going to break their nose, you know, it's like, I'm going to like rip their arm off, you know what I mean?

Like, cause you want to go, like, if they tap you, you're going to let go, but you don't want to give them a chance to get escape.

So you're going to go like, so you don't give them a chance to escape, you know?

So it could, it could dislocate.

It could kind of, it could tear your ligaments, you know what I mean?

It's like.

You really want to do that with your friend?

And they're going to be like, how many, you know, how many months out with surgeries and stuff like that?

But if you don't do it to them, they're going to do it to you, you know?

And it's like, we're both signed up for this, you know, we're both cool.

And it's like, it's still, we have that sport aspect, you know, and, but in the end, we're all, it's, we're like an entertainment, sport entertainment, you know, we're more entertainment industry than we are sport.

These days, yeah.

Yeah.

These days, exactly, you know?

So, um,

yeah, I mean, there's all respect to all the girls that I fight and winning or losing.

But yeah, I'm totally cool with all of them.

I mean, I think there's like one or the other that will like kind of talk a little bit like crap.

Yeah.

You know, but girls, it's hard.

They talk.

I think like Juana.

Did you ever hear of Juana?

She was like, she had that big, her, her forehead got like really, really big in a fight.

Like she got all these punches.

They like blew up.

It looked crazy.

But she, she was a really good like talker, Rhonda Rousey too.

You know, kind of like the mean girls kind of thing.

So, I mean, and it's pay-per-view.

It's what you need, you know?

So,

but man, every time, anytime I've tried to talk like a little bit, like, oh, I'm going to submit you.

I've had like, that's my trash talk.

It's like, it didn't go well for me.

You know what I mean?

You're too nice.

Yeah, maybe I even won, but like, people are like, was that a trash talk?

I'm like, kind of.

You got to respect the trash talkers.

Yeah, for sure.

It's impressive that they could do that with a straight face.

Yeah.

No, and they, and it gets into their minds, you know, like, but then also, too, when you're nice, that that breaks them too.

You know what I mean?

If you're too nice to them, they start going crazy.

Yeah, exactly.

Like emotion.

Fighting, you can't have emotion.

You need to be calm and collected, you know?

Yeah.

The more emotion you have, I mean, you get into a brawl and then anything can happen, you know, like just one and that can finish the fight.

So you just got to be like, no, no motion.

Yeah, you got to control them, right?

I'm sure you have a lot going on during the fight.

Exactly.

You got to put it to the side and just lock in.

For sure.

For sure.

Have you ever had to dislocate an arm in there?

I mean, I've, I've, I'm not sure if they dislocated, but I've, I mean, I've dislocated a couple arms, not in it, not in UFC.

UFC, I might have, but I'm not sure if it was or not.

But they've gotten like really, really bad bad where i mean girls too are very flexible you got to just keep going you know because they're gonna like defend it and they're gonna be all like letting it twist sides and stuff like that and you gotta just like keep finding that angle yeah but yeah i mean there's been some where it's like you feel it like um stretching or like clicking you know and stuff like that so yeah it's pretty bad that's crazy yeah i think that's worse than like a punch honestly i think a punch like the impact you get like black eyes you know you get sore your face you can break i broke my nose on the fight i took a knee to the to the my nose but i mean ligaments that takes a while to to recover months right yeah months geez yeah yeah that's interesting because you have to be strong but also flexible yes yeah and it and those don't combine too much you know that's what i heard it's hard to be strong and flexible you gotta like do a lot of biometrics yeah yeah for sure yeah you gotta stretch a lot

I'm trying to balance that now too, because I'm a basketball player.

Oh, yeah.

But I don't want to be too flexible as a guy.

It's a little weird.

Well, you know, you think?

Well, it's kind of gay.

You're doing like the splits.

People are like,

most guys don't respect that.

If you could do a split.

Well, I mean, but for basketball, you guys like probably twist a lot of your ankles and stuff, right?

So you kind of need like protect, like, you don't want to be too flexible at the same time because then it's like, you know, you can tweak, you can twist your ankles.

I used to roll my ankle all the time.

Oh, man.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yes.

You got to like support that as much as you can.

Yeah.

Yeah.

At the same time, you need to be flexible on defense.

Oh, really?

Yeah, because people are fast.

So you got to be able to keep up with them.

ah so like pretty agile yeah like switch switch directions and kind of stuff like that yeah yeah i played i played basketball in um

like what eighth grade middle school yeah middle school and um our team was i was defense and um they gave me like they said that i need they needed like the most like annoying person and to be

so i was a chosen one you know but annoying i wasn't like in their face kind of thing just like i could take it you know so people would like knocking me down and i'd be kind of like letting like i'd get like so many free throws.

Free throws.

Yeah, free throws because of that.

Oh, you were taking charges.

Yeah, yeah, all the time.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

You were like Draymond Green.

Yeah.

He's good at that.

So I'd be like, they'd put me on like their best player and like, do you just stay on her the whole game?

Yeah.

That was like always was my.

They did that to me in soccer.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

They would put me on the best player and just play man-to-man in soccer, which is really weird in soccer.

Really?

Yeah.

That's like unheard of.

Oh, but I was just really fast.

Okay.

So you're just like pressuring him the whole time?

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's good.

So you did a lot of sports.

Soccer, ping pong, basketball, tennis.

Ping pong.

Yeah, ping pong.

You competed with it?

No, I got lessons in China, though.

Okay.

And if I pursued it, I probably could have been good.

Yeah.

It's not like an attractive sport.

Really?

I think it's sick.

Really?

Yeah.

How do you hold your racket?

I did like this or whatever.

Like this way?

Yeah.

The Asian way.

The Asian way?

Yeah.

I do like this way.

That's the American way.

Yeah.

It's that little one finger.

Oh.

Like that?

Okay.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

You were good, though?

I mean, we played at home, house games.

Okay.

Like poker.

We're doing house games all the time now.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it's just practice, practice.

You'd probably be good at pickleball then.

Pickleball.

Yeah.

Pickleball.

We used to do that at training.

Perillo, my boxing coach, where we used to train at, they had a pickleball tournament.

So like me, Luke Rockhold, Cheeto Vera,

Jason Perillo, we do like pickleball tournament, like competitions like before training.

Really?

After training.

This was before it was mainstream then.

Yeah.

Well, is it mainstream?

When?

When did it become mainstream?

Like three years ago, two years ago?

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So like the last like five years four or five years yeah now they're everywhere really even lifetime dream they're replacing the basketball course with pickleball no way yeah because any age can play it man i thought pickleball was a thing for like a long time no it was around but now it's like big thing yeah it's blowing up man that's crazy seems like boxing's blowing up too with dana white starting his own stuff now yeah and he got the jiu-jitsu league you know and the power slap what do you think about that i've been to three of them did you like them yeah the first one was hard to watch really yeah hard hard to turn around.

Were people getting like knocked out?

Knocked out.

Have you been to one of them?

No, not yet.

Yeah, seeing it in person is different because.

Really?

Have you been to a UFC fight?

Yeah.

What do you think?

Like, what do you think the difference between?

I could watch.

Yeah, UFC is easier to watch for me, actually.

Power Slap is like, they have no defense.

That's true.

And they get knocked out.

Some of them are on the ground for five minutes.

Yeah, it's pretty wild.

Yeah, that's crazy.

That's crazy.

And the girl's doing it.

Yeah, Pace Transcendent.

She's coming on next week.

But yeah, I saw her do it.

But she's doing good.

Yeah, I think she's undefeated.

Yeah, she's doing good.

Like, she can take a slap.

Yeah.

And she can slap.

Did you ever fight against her?

No.

Different weight class.

No, we're the same weight class, but she left like when I was coming up, you know, she migrated to the bare knuckle.

She's crazy, man.

She did bare knuckle too.

I couldn't do bare knuckle.

That stuff looks.

Did you see their faces get so damaged?

Oh my gosh.

It's crazy.

Yeah.

All you need is a couple bare knuckle punches and no, no way.

You're toast.

Yeah.

UFC, you got the gloves.

Yeah.

And she still looks good after everything she's going through, you know?

It's like, it's amazing how much, how good she can recover.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Crazy.

Would you ever do another form of fighting after UFC?

No.

I want to go into like bodybuilding after when I fought.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like Mr.

Olympia, that kind of stuff, you know.

I mean, I love to work out.

So it's just like, if I can like live that lifestyle, you know, and not get beat up.

Yeah.

That's what I'd want, you know?

Or go back to jiu-jitsu, you know, do some like super fights, stuff like that, some

things that are like worth the money.

But honestly, like being a mom, you just want your time with your kid now, you know what I mean?

Because it's like, you know, she Moa's with me all the time, but you can tell that she kind of just like, for her, she's like, I just want to like sit on the sofa with you, mom, and just like be with you.

You know what I mean?

Like that quality time, you know, not like with me, but like you're walking on the street and then like fans are stopping you and then they want to take pictures.

And she's kind of like, mom, mom, you know, she wants me as her mom and not like Mackenzie, you know?

So just as she's growing up, she she just lost her first tooth.

Um,

we tied it to the, we tied it to the dog and threw it, you know, and then it pulled it out.

It was like so, so loose, you know.

Wow, that's a thing.

People do that.

Yeah.

I didn't know that.

Really?

I just put mine under the pillow.

Oh, well, no, no, no.

Like, that's how it came out.

Okay.

But we put it on the pillow after we fell out.

Like.

The tooth fairy came by.

Yeah, for sure.

And then the tooth fairy left alone and everything.

That's cute.

I never got shit when I left mine under the pillow.

Really?

Yeah, I don't know.

Were your teeth clean?

Yeah, I don't think my mom believed in that stuff.

Oh, really?

Like, what the heck?

It's so weird.

I tried many times.

Oh.

Yeah.

I'll do it with my kids, though.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah.

Do you ever think about putting like a diamond in your teeth?

Anything like that?

I actually wouldn't.

You wouldn't?

Yeah.

Would you ever do that?

I don't know.

I don't think I would.

That's because of my teeth.

I think my teeth, my teeth still, I feel like my teeth are still like, they look.

like kids' teeth still.

You know what I mean?

You got good teeth.

Yeah.

Not to be weird, but they're smaller, you know?

They're not like the big adult teeth, teeth, you know.

And so, um, I feel like those big, like, you know,

adult teeth, those would probably look good.

I know, like, Cheeto, he has a diamond, or he has, he has a couple diamonds in his teeth.

It's like becoming a thing now more and more people doing that.

Yeah, I don't think I could rock it.

I'm not flashy like that.

I don't have the confidence like that.

Yeah, really?

I think so.

I'm more low-key.

Yeah, I am.

Yeah, like I don't even wear jewelry

that much.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But some people pull it off.

Are you always wearing glasses?

I wear contacts when I play sports.

Oh, cool.

Yeah.

You never wore those sports glasses no the nerdy ones yeah i had a kid on my basketball team i wore that really yeah i'd rather wear contacts yeah for sure you know yeah

but this has been cool uh what are you working on next where can people keep up with you and everything um i mean just waiting for my next fight training um been kind of doing a lot of like podcasts and um

meet and greets i'll be at ufc um

how do you say fight week international fight week so i'll be able to see a lot of the fans out there when they come and stop by Um, and just waiting for my next fight.

So, yeah, if anyone wants to

stay tuned, you know, there'll be some news pretty soon.

I know there's the fights tonight, May 10th, so it'll be cool.

I'm excited, and one of my great friends, Natalia Silva, she's fighting against Alexa Grasso.

So, I'm changing for Natalia.

Let's go!

Let's go!

And I think if she wins this, she'll fight for the belt next.

So, yeah, we're very close.

The belt's coming,

let's go.

Yeah, and uh, we'll follow your poker journey too.

Hopefully, you win tonight, please, please.

Yeah, check her out, guys.

See you next time.