Red Light Vs. Cancer: Cutting-Edge Biohacking Explained | Jonathan Otto DSH #1401

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It's more sterile than the blood.

Wow.

It's the purification of the blood, and this is why it's safe to then reconsume.

Even the concept of vampires, like drinking blood and living forever, urine is blood.

It's plasma ultra filtrate, which is plasma blood ultra filtrate, ultra-filtered blood.

That's all it is.

And so you're going to see everything that's in the blood, you'll see in the urine.

All right, guys, he is back.

One of my most viral guests ever, John Otto.

Thanks for coming back on, man.

Oh, welcome, Sean.

Yeah, we stirred up some stuff on the first one.

Yeah, we did.

Oh, my gosh.

We had a lot of haters, a lot of people seemed intrigued.

Yeah.

A lot of interest.

I'm sure we

at least compelled people to look more into urine therapy, right?

True.

True.

It was good, man.

I was glad to go into the battle with you

or rope you in on

my quest.

Yeah, it's true.

It's true.

Did you get affected by it?

Oh,

no, not at all.

I just laugh about

all that kind of stuff just because I'm very confident in the research.

People think I do it for attention,

but it's definitely not.

I was very concerned originally.

I thought I'm going to lose my credibility over this issue, but the science was so clear for me and people's lives are on the line.

The universal accessibility of this to me, I think everyone has a responsibility to explain it to others.

So yeah, I was fine with it.

I can live with all that.

Yeah, let's debunk some of the videos because some people were saying urine is waste, right?

Yeah.

That's like the biggest thing that people tell you about it, I'd assume.

Yeah, exactly.

So yeah, so they think it's waste because that's what they've been told.

And they just use a basic logic that the body's getting rid of it.

So therefore, it's waste.

But then breast milk, it's coming out of the breasts.

The body's getting rid of it, but you know it's not waste.

And then semen, you know, it's coming out of the body, but it's not waste.

Urine, your body needs to balance blood pressure.

So you need to urinate, but it doesn't mean that your body's dumping out its waste.

If it were, then why would babies be living in their urine?

Which is a point that I made, but it's such an important point because they urinate every one to three hours in the womb and drink hundreds of milliliters of urine per day in the womb.

Wow.

So they're drinking their own urine.

Every day, copious amounts, hundreds of milliliters for a fetus, a small baby, compared to you.

I mean, that's more than its body weight in most cases of its urine urine per day.

So, how, why

would it be consuming its own waste?

What do we not understand about what's going on here?

And then you'd say, maybe, well, the baby has a toxic-free environment because the umbilical cord is giving the fluids of the mother and it's all very sterile and safe and clean.

But the opposite is true.

So, the umbilical cord, when it was tested for just 400 of the thousands of chemicals that they should have tested for, they found 287.

Whoa.

Of those, you know how many were proven to cause cancer?

I'm assuming a lot.

180.

More than 200

proven to cause birth defects and brain deformations.

So now, how does the baby, when it's growing and it's urinating and drinking its urine and it's using whatever is going on here is responsible for the growth of the baby.

So what's going in is actually causing the growth of the baby.

And now it's apparently getting filled with toxins.

It doesn't make any sense because what the baby is actually doing is canceling its problems.

So what you get in urine is the blood filtered through the kidneys.

You have a metabolite.

It's a signaling molecule that is how the body signals itself to remove that certain toxin.

So water holds memory.

So you're going to see a structure that like looks like mercury or lead or formaldehyde or glyphosate.

You're going to see these structures, but they're in infinitesimal amounts.

And not harmful amounts, which is, but more importantly, it's in a form that is available to the body to act as a signaling molecule to signal the body to remove it, but not in a way that it attaches to the body and causes toxicity.

And this is, it makes sense then why babies thrive in the womb, why they regenerate.

If people like Dr.

Ben Carson did surgeries in the womb and they would come out as if they had never had a surgery and people would wonder, you know, why is this happening?

Was it because urine is filled with stem cells?

And so they're in the womb and any like scarring or cutting that would happen would get regenerated by the amnionic fluid, which is urine.

Wow.

So when you get a c-section the stem cells help out help it recover more well yeah so you'll see a scar on the outside of the woman but on the inside there's no scar whoa because the urine yes holy crap well think about it if you had stem cells where where are all the stem cells coming from when people get stem cell therapy from the placenta right yeah it's the umbilical cord cord blood uh warden's jelly which is around the cord and the amnionic fluid it's all uh forms of the baby's cultured urine hmm that is fascinating i also didn't know the umbilical cord was that.

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Toxic.

You just explained it earlier.

Yeah, exactly.

Well, it's all the toxins that are in the mother naturally are going to just circulate through the whole body.

It's not, it doesn't discriminate.

It doesn't have a way to remove that from the baby not receiving that, but it has a mechanism to deal with it, which is the urine.

Surprisingly, so urine is the way the body deals with toxicity.

And so when you have toxins in your body, the way to signal what you actually have in your body is to drink your own urine, which signals then your olfactory gland, gives your body all the information it needs to know about what the specific poisons are and how to remove them.

So people that do it, you watch their mercury levels, all the different markers for toxicity go down.

Yeah.

They, they immediately on the onset, go up slightly, which is showing that there's a challenging agent that's being activated, but then they drop off.

And yeah, it chelates, it removes the toxins.

Yeah.

Why is urine so much darker in the morning when you first get up?

Well, it's a

dehydration.

and there is a high concentration of stem cells in the morning urine because you're generating stem cells while you're sleeping.

Right.

And so you have a higher concentration of all the metabolites because there's been over 5,600 small molecule metabolites identified in urine.

And there's a high concentration of these.

So that's part of the reason why it's darker.

And then you haven't been drinking water for the last eight, nine hours or however long you've slept.

Yeah.

So then, so you have a high concentration, but it is, it is more powerful.

It's more effective.

Most all, like all the cultures that have done this, which is practically every established civilization, has used urine as a medicine and as an anti-aging.

This was before biohacking was a thing, but they used it as the fountain of youth.

It was always understood as the

metabolic distillation of the blood, the fountain of youth, the elixir of the

elixir of youth.

That was what it was all referred to.

Yeah.

And the sculpture of the fountain of youth is a little boy peeing.

Whoa.

I never looked into it that deeply, but that makes sense.

Yeah.

And then if you look at the studies on

the stem cells, the younger you are, the stem cells that are in your urine, which Wake Forest found 100 million, I can talk about that study in a 24-hour urine sample, which is amazing because it's about 20 million.

Sorry, it's about $20,000 worth of stem cells, which on a daily basis, though.

which equates to you know somewhere around the vicinity of you know five million plus dollars worth of stem cells per individual.

That's crazy.

Yes.

People all kind of saying that they don't have the money to do all the things that all the rich and wealthy people have and do, but the reality is they have this at their fingertips.

They just don't know.

To me, it's lies and misinformation that causes people not to know what's on access to them.

But anyway, these cultures that came before us all understood this not to be a toxic waste, but they understood it to be a powerful agent.

And they were used.

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Yeah.

Are you still using it on your face?

Yeah.

That club went viral, man.

Yeah, exactly.

Dude, yeah, and I have done some additions to that.

Oh, yeah.

What are you doing now?

Well, for startups, okay, so that Wake Forest study, it was showing 100 million stem cells,

but it was aged for three weeks.

Did you remember me mentioning this?

No, was that on the first episode, the Wake Forest study?

I think I'm sure I would have mentioned it.

It's in the back of my mind.

But, okay, so they took 10 adult males and some were 20 to 40 and then some were 50 and up.

And they tested their stem cells in their urine.

They found 140 in the fresh.

complete 24-hour urine sample.

But then when they aged it for three weeks, it proliferated into 100 million.

Oh, yes, you did mention this.

Yeah.

The rate of proliferation was one times 10 to the power of eight.

So

it's an exponential growth rate.

Urine itself is a culture medium.

They did use a culture medium, but urine itself is a culture medium because notice the babies in the womb, they don't have anything that's added into that, but that's where all these stem cells are, which makes sense why the baby's lungs are formed by the urine, which is referred to as amnionic fluid, which is almost entirely urine, which goes into the nose and mouth and forms the lungs of the baby at eight weeks.

So the lungs are actually formed by the amnionic fluid, fluid, which we now know as of 2008, urine is filled with stem cells and has stem cells, which we didn't know until 2008.

And by 2022, we understood that now, well, there's 100 million once it's aged for three weeks.

So this, the fact that the fact that the baby's living in its own urine for this entire duration, like about nine months,

is showing you that it's living in this culture medium.

And then later, people all want this fluid for their stem cell injections for their knees.

And it's all just the urine but anyway so based on this then the the regime that i worked out was to one just age the urine for at least three weeks sometimes i would do it for like six months or a year

that must look funky at that point it well i had to actually do have some here y'all this guy oh my god it's six months old in your backpack right now yeah dude you're wild and you fly around with that i did this time because i was just like i i would now because i it's actually the first time I flew with it, but because sometimes I was like, oh man, I'm away from the place, from my home.

I wish I had that age during.

My wife actually threw out a bunch of it recently.

She got sick of it.

Well,

she just couldn't problem solve quick enough.

So she was, she was like, oh, people are coming here and they might find this cabinet thing.

And then so she ended up like throwing.

I'm like, baby, could have just moved that somewhere else.

But anyway, I decided not to hold it against her and just realized that there's more where that came from.

So even though I'd aged it for like two years,

whoa, two years.

So the amount of stem cells in that must have been insane yeah i think so like i don't know where it stops because we know that we had that study i don't know where it stops but i but i i'd imagine at least up until nine months just because that's what the baby is doing so anyway so i i get that aged urine and then exfoliate the skin and then put it directly on my face it's strong but it also is interesting though because if you look at animals they're attracted by each other's urine really oh dogs are right yeah and and like deer when people go deer hunting, and I'm not a fan, but they'll spray the urine and so to attract the deer.

Oh, I didn't know that.

Yeah, all that kind of stuff.

But postbiotics, there's studies on tributyrin or butyrate, which is partners choosing their partners off this subconscious scent that they get, which is a postbiotic, which is butyrate, which is in urine.

Interesting.

So you choose your partner based off their smell, the smell of their urine.

Yeah, or

feces.

Really?

Yeah, well, it's a postbiotic.

So it, you know, prebiotics turn to probiotics, turn to postbiotics.

And so it's, it's once your food undergoes the whole process, which would be, you know, anyway, I didn't think I'd get into that.

But

yeah, well,

there's like, so which could be, so there's just these scents that we're getting from people that we don't realize,

but they're super subconscious.

But we, we can smell people like everything, right?

And

like animals understand it.

That's why you see them actually do a lot of that.

They're communicating that level.

I'm just saying that the things that we think are gross subconsciously are actually things that can be attractive.

Um, it's got a musky smell, but anyway, you put it on your skin and it'll just absorb into your skin.

And then, then you can wash it off.

The other thing that I did was really crazy where I'd actually like exfoliate the skin and then put it in a like a like a bucket or something.

It was like a food fruit bowl.

Yeah.

And then I'd got a snorkel.

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There's that much of it, dude.

Well, yeah, well, is this like, cause, cause if I put my face in, then I got to pull it out because I got to breathe.

Yeah.

And by the way, I only did this just because, oh, yeah, I guess everyone cares about like their skin or whatever.

And like, I'm, what, one year short of 40.

And so I,

you just kind of, you know, and I had a lot of health challenges as a kid.

So there's lots of things that could have caused me to turboage.

I got baldness on both sides of the family or you know so there's just you know like why not stay ahead but also i just wanted to experiment on this and see because like a lot of women that i then taught about this they explained that when they use the age urine it was like a facelift and like it was like they literally went and got a facelift that's how powerful the urine is i mean you're putting stem cells directly into your skin and they're they're meant to be absorbed in the skin because they go through you know urea is in the urine which is in the all the expensive skincare products we talked about that how uh it's the most absorbable substance And that's why it's one of the only, if not the only clinically proven skin moisturizer to put water back in the cells because it's your blood filtered, then it easily goes back in.

Now it can deliver those stem cells back into your skin.

Right.

So you don't have to do the expensive vampire facials with the PIP platelet-rich plasma.

It's super painful.

It doesn't, I had it done once.

It didn't seem to work.

Botox, super invasive, super harmful.

It's a botulism toxin.

It'll paralyze your face.

It like eventually makes you like, you know, turbo-aged.

Almost paralyzed too.

Yeah, exactly.

Cause it, yeah, because it's working off these like kind of poisons that that are like venoms but they're it's a botulism toxin works exactly like a venom so these things anyway so i put a snorkel on i put my face in and just like let it sit in there i i've only done it like a couple times but i'm going to do it more just to experiment with it but like there are ways because then you could just sit there for like half an hour let it absorb in it it you know takes you like what half an hour to drive to an appointment and sit in the line and pay a lot of money you sit there for an hour it's way quicker cheaper arguably a lot better you know that's fascinating did you see any wrinkles go away yeah yeah yeah wow and to me to combine it with red light therapy is really cool yeah we're going to dive into that next yeah so do you do both every day yeah yeah oh yeah like

almost every day like some days you just kind of forget or you're just like doing whatever but i would say practically every day i yeah like maybe i'll miss one or two days out of the week kind of thing right and this is a specific red light therapy we're talking about because i asked you about the infrared sauna yeah what you're talking about is different yeah exactly infrared sauna is using far infrared,

which is around 2,000, 3,000 nanometers.

And so it kind of shoots past the target.

It's good for heating the core body temperature.

And so I think that people ought to do these types of things, but

it's almost an entirely different thing.

red and near infrared and and then other light like yellow, orange, blue, which is all the way down to 480.

The optical, it's known as the optical window, which is the 700 to 1200 nanometers.

That is where the red light really shines in, pardon the pun.

And the clinical studies are just mind-blowing.

Yeah, let's dive into it.

Yeah.

So what's the biggest study you like to show people once you're getting into this?

Well, that one that I was just showing you off camera is mind-blowing, right?

So there's a 2006 pilot study.

And I can say this in a way that is, look, firstly, this is for informational purposes only, educational purposes only, not intended to diagnose, treat, or, or,

or cure any condition or disease.

This is just referencing studies so people can then go research them themselves.

And

that's a really important aspect there.

Okay, so what they found in that 2006 pilot study, which you can find on PubMed, specifically on lymphoma, like the finding that I read out, which was specifically that all treated patients achieved complete remission of,

in this case, cutaneous B cell lymphoma

after a maximum of two photodynamic sessions, which is photobiomodulation is red light therapy.

Photodynamic therapy is when you're adding in some kind of photosensitizing agent, which could be a supplement or technically classed as a drug in some settings, others just pure natural supplements like curcumin or berberine or even something that's kind of like a hybrid, which is methylene blue.

So they

use this and

the results were, it was three patients.

So it's a pilot study, but they all within one week achieved a complete remission as defined by a complete absence of cutaneous B-cell lymphoma, as the finding

dictated.

And you saw that with your own eyes when I showed the study.

Yeah, we'll link it in the description, too.

Pretty mind-blowing, right?

It's pretty, it's only three people, so we got to say that.

But the fact that you said it's the same result for each person is exact sign, right?

Exactly, and all within one week.

Yeah, so that was in 06.

That was a while ago.

Correct.

They haven't done any newer ones.

Yes, they have.

And

for that particular study, that should then go into having hundreds or even thousands of people.

I don't know why such an amazing finding then didn't follow up with a larger study.

But the good news is that there are lots of great studies.

Like the prostate cancer study was amazing because it was 413 participants and it was in Europe and they had 10 different control centers.

It's published on major medical journals.

And what they found in this study was that it was a two-year study.

So now it's a longer study.

49% went into complete remission.

And then you'd say, well, then what what was the control group, those that didn't use red light?

And the answer is 13.5%.

So your likelihood was about four times greater of beating, in this case, prostate cancer going into remission if you used red light therapy in conjunction.

They used a photosensitizer, which was a deep sea bacteria, which is super interesting.

That's not common.

The other one that was used in the lymphoma study, which is more common, was aminoluvolinic acid or 5-aminoluvolinic acid or a methyl form,

which is a photosensitizing agent.

So it causes, and the mechanism is super important of how, because your, your cells are designed to receive light.

You're, you're a highly reactive being to light, and you basically cannot live without it.

People talk all the time about diet, but I'm, I'm saying, well, okay, so there's carnivore, there's herbivore, omnivore, you know, vegan, or this.

To me, what, what I want to get people more clear on is heliovore, helio-sun, right?

So you, if there's any one thing that really humans are, is that they're heliovores.

We're meant to be in the sun.

And you look at studies like this, considering that red light therapy is just replicating the sunrise and the sunset.

And then rainbow has blue and green, these different colors, and that they're also very effective for certain things.

Like nothing corrects circadian rhythm better than 480, which is blue light.

Nothing helps with acne and skin rejuvenation better than 480.

and neonatal care, babies in the womb, 480 blue.

So these different colors all respond to people's bodies in different ways.

But these photosensitizing agents help the absorption of light into the cells.

And in this case, so you look at the cancer studies, it's specifically around

how the electromagnetic waves from the red light causes the body to produce reactive oxygen species.

one of which is singlet oxygen.

And singlet oxygen, if you saw it in a military setting, you'd see a missile get shot down out of the air using singlet oxygen.

Wow.

Your body produces it when stimulated by red light.

Holy crap.

It's that powerful.

Yeah, it's fluorescent red inherently.

So it'll just like light up like a mini explosion.

It's amazing.

What?

And guess what it's most, guess where it goes for?

Tumor cells.

It's specific for either tumor cells or senescent cells, which are cells that are not functioning properly that need to be cleared out of the body.

So if you're not healthy, your body needs to clear out these unhealthy cells and needs to help feed the healthy cells with what they need.

So that's where the reactive oxygen species like singlet oxygen target cancer cells target other unhealthy cells and cause apoptosis which is programmed cell death it that makes sense now why these studies are so profound that and the breast cancer study was using four different wavelengths and now now here's where wavelengths come in and it was an in vitro study so in a petri dish and it was uh with triple negative and non-triple negative breast cancer and they irradiated with the nanometer of light at 615, 630, 660, and 730 nanometers, which translates to millimeters.

So that's like 630 would be 6.3 millimeters.

And that's showing you the depth of penetration.

So it's going through the dermis into the epidermis.

And then the deeper ones like 810, which is near-infrared.

So you can't see it to that point.

Then that's, this goes to the subcutaneous tissue, the bone, which improves bone density.

They're even using it for bone cancers.

It gets through the lungs, tinnitus, all the different deeper things that are like either in the brain, the organs.

Anyway, so what they did with this is they tested these four wavelengths.

Only one was proven to be effective.

And it was 660 that dropped the breast tumor proliferation by 40% in 24 hours.

Wow.

That's PubNed study, yeah.

Holy crap, that's so fast.

So this stuff works immediately.

It can, it can, and then it's active for that time.

So it was irradiated 24 hours before.

They tested it 24 hours later and watched the drop.

So even though you did it yesterday or the day before, it's active in your body for that next period of time.

And in many cases, some of these studies, they're doing like two or three treatments a week or more.

Yeah.

You mentioned blue light helps with acne earlier.

Yeah.

Wow.

I always thought blue light was bad for you for some reason.

Oh, yeah.

I'm glad you brought that up.

It's, it's kind of like this debunked myth, which is super interesting, even though, because we were just at a biohacking event.

And so like everyone's wearing their blue blockers.

So it's, it's, it's a big, like,

then you got me on talking about this and saying that blue light is good.

But if, if, if I sat down with any of the guys that, were like presenting last night, they would agree with me on this because the science is too clear on it.

It's, It's the issue is,

okay, one, if we were allergic to blue light, then we should never go out in the sun in the middle of the day because it's almost primarily, it's a large part of it is blue light, which is why you also see blue, correct?

And then the morning, sunset, sunrise, that's more red.

But the sun during the middle of the day isn't bad.

It's too much of it could be.

And that's why even animals will go for shelter.

They're not going to be continually, always exposed there.

But the blue light, the issue is that these screens would be high flicker rate without your eye noticing.

So it's turning on and off constantly.

And even though these studies are actually on LEDs, which is super interesting,

the high-quality LEDs don't flicker.

So they're actually very effective.

And it took the laser therapy that was developed back from, by the way, this goes back to the

1903 when Dr.

Niels Finson won the Nobel Prize for light therapy to be remedial for

lupus vulgaris.

So this was around for 100 years.

Yeah, Nobel Prize won for it too.

Yeah, 120 years plus.

Yeah.

Amazing, right?

And so then the Hungarian physician, Dr.

Andrei Mesta, in 1967, used red light with lasers, but then it then was expensive.

They could heat really hot.

It was, you know, there's some challenges there.

How could then people access this?

And so then that moved over to LEDs.

So it's interesting that LEDs can be both damaging and healing.

It just depends on the quality of the light source.

So it needs to not have a flicker.

Flicker.

Yeah.

So you can't see that this is flickering, but everything here's here is flickering.

Like these lights and the cameras are all flickering.

Yeah.

Like maybe the, yeah, the screen on the camera, most likely, but all these lights, all these screens,

correct.

And your eye can't see it, but it's damaging your eyesight, which is, though, if you open your eyes in red light, you can expect a 17% eye improvement, even in as little as a week, based on clinical studies.

This was particularly, which is, this is a myopia study.

So normally you're supposed to wear protective eyewear.

Yeah.

But in this case,

for limited periods of time, it's been proven to have your eyes open in the light and it's improving eyesight, vision.

And those changes were effective for a week, for example.

And then the tinnitus study was showing that with using these 810, 850, that it was effective for three months.

But what happens is like to resolution of tinnitus, which is amazing considering that people take their

I got to be careful what I say, but people feel like giving up in life and do give up in life because of a lot of these horrific conditions like tinnitus and autoimmune conditions.

But yeah, this was remedial for this period of time.

But what happened was that if people then continue the therapy because you're supposed to be continually exposed to light, then it would maintain the change and deepen the transformation as well.

So you could you could get better improvements on your eyesight.

That was supposed to be done in the morning hours.

Dr.

Andrew Huberman has taught quite a lot about this study.

And particularly applicable if you're older, 40 or older in reversing the eyesight problems, which is.

That's exciting.

I remember last time I asked you if urine therapy could help with eyesight too.

Yeah.

And since then, I even saw cases where people had reverse,

you know, seen their eyesight get back to complete

crystal clear 2020.

Wow.

Yeah.

Well, I know it's possible because Dave Asprey, I don't know the exact methods he used, but he restored his vision to 2015.

Wow, amazing.

I think he was 2060.

Yeah.

So I'm like 22, 150 or something crazy.

Wow.

Yeah.

And so the key there, you might be aware is that you drop down prescription as well.

Yeah.

Because what happens is if you're doing a therapy, like,

you know, people will laugh at me about the urine in the eyes and they'll think it's super dangerous.

But I'm telling you that the only thing that's ever been in your eyes is urine.

That's a baby.

I mean, you can't argue against that.

You're right.

Yeah.

You watch the baby, like, you watch the baby urinate in the womb and you watch the baby drink the urine in the womb.

Like I talk about putting urine in your hair hair and age urine in your hair to grow your hair.

I mean, look at your hair.

You said both your family are bald, right?

Both sides.

Oh, yeah, exactly.

And you got a full head at 40.

Yeah, I appreciate that, man.

Thank you.

And considering that I had like Lyme disease,

cytomegalovirus, Epstein-bar, Ross, river fever, glangelo fever, chronic fatigue syndrome, chronic nausea, boils breaking out on my body.

Because I had all those things as a child, then I should have turbo-aged by now.

So I should probably look all like maybe 10 years older than what I am.

If you have those conditions and the wheels are falling off that early in life, and I had to work hard to work out what was going on, that's how I got into this arena, all the research.

And I took my background in, because I completed a degree with a double major in journalism and media production, then in education, a postgraduate degree.

Then I, I, you know, humanitarian work.

I was traveling since the age 17, became an ambassador for World Vision.

I then, you know, with Tanzania, Mongolia through Asia and sub-Saharan Africa.

as I was doing all that work, and I'm still doing that work, my research then went into working out how to solve my health problems and the world's health problems.

And I became really good at correlating data.

And I just got off with

someone from the children's health defense.

Actually, he's the chief science officer, but he said, you're always right, Jonathan.

Like, it takes me a while to work out what's going on.

And he was working on his son's case with autism.

A really beautiful guy.

I want you to get him on the show.

He's amazing.

But he said, but you, you, you, like the things that you talk about, they, they finally come, I finally work out that it's right.

Um, but anyway, so I'm, I'm glad that I've been able to correlate that, especially just for myself, my own family.

I've got two young boys, three and five-year-old.

And I, you know, I feel guilty being away that I'm taking an overnight flight tonight to be back with them.

So it's my responsibility not only to be there for them.

And people like be like, oh, I couldn't do this.

I couldn't do that.

I'm like, bro, like, I've got children.

They like depend on me.

There's nothing that I wouldn't do.

And I've got to put that oxygen mask on my own mouth to be there for them.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I love that.

That's beautiful.

Are you working on any documentaries right now?

Yeah, there's one that we're releasing.

Alex Jones is actually supposed to drop it on HTML.

Oh, yeah.

Let's go.

Infowars.

Oh, on Infowars.

Yeah, he's supposed to drop it soon.

It was supposed to happen recently.

Obviously,

waiting on that, but it's Parasites.

Okay.

Which is...

It's called the Parasite Movie, but I'm even hesitating to say the title because I'm making sure I don't say the wrong thing here.

I think I know what you're talking about.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

There's something within us.

The parasites, there's something worth,

yeah, or yeah, C-word.

Yeah.

So, um, and then,

yeah, so that and, you know, a lot of the documentaries we're releasing on red light therapy.

Uh, uh, I, a lot, Cancer Decoded went deep into all the research on, you know, things like chlorine dioxide, which we talked about as well, which is mind-blowing.

We talked about releasing a book called The Cancer Off Switch.

So there's a book.

Yeah.

So going through all the modalities because when I worked with The Truth About Cancer 10 years ago as a producer with them, I just went under the hood on all what was really happening in this arena.

And then all this cutting edge research.

It was really important for me to then release this book.

So that's exciting.

That's cool.

They got to get you with the Maha movement.

Oh, yeah.

I appreciate that.

Absolutely.

I think that, yeah, so there's talk on that.

Like some of the guys that are like Jeff Hayes that's working with producing the Maha films, he asked for help and support for me to work on some

particular films and say, you know, you go after this category.

And

then Dell, last night, we were exchanging information for me to drive.

I was the CEO, right?

Yeah.

On

the Maha.

Yeah.

That sounds right.

Yeah, I think the CEO of Maha was there last night.

Well, yeah, well, yeah.

I mean, that sounds right.

I didn't know that that was his particular position.

That makes sense, though.

Yeah.

But yeah, no,

he wanted to

put all my films into the higher wire.

Wow.

Yeah.

That's huge.

Yeah, he was really excited about it.

I was like, okay, cool.

I'm in.

Let's get it out to people.

It's just, we're just giving away all the stuff we've worked so hard on for free.

And he's like, yeah, you sure?

I'm like, yeah.

Wow.

I mean, the education is important, man, because people do not get exposed to this stuff, right?

A lot of it's censored.

A lot of it's kind of controversial, but these days, times are changing.

So true.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Exactly, man.

And then, yeah, one of those other things that we talk about in that book and one of the things that went viral that we talked about was the chlorine dioxide and science feedback.

They did, they did publish that hit piece on me.

Oh, they did.

Oh, they were emailing me.

So, just for reference for people watching this, I got emailed, which this, by the way, this has never happened to me before.

I've done 1400 episodes, and they're like, Do you want to back up what this guy said on your podcast?

Because we're about to publish a hit piece.

So, explain what happened for me.

Yeah, so then, yeah, they just basically were

like, okay, you talked about chlorine dioxide.

You know,

Sean Kelly, they kind of made you like position you like you're irresponsible to have a guest talking about that.

Yeah, yeah.

And then, but you didn't seem to bother you.

I didn't even see the article.

No one sent me it, so I don't think it was that big of a deal.

Oh, and yeah, exactly.

And if it was, even better, right?

Well, it's just like, it's kind of like a yapping chihuahua.

Yeah.

I don't trust traditional media anyways.

So, yeah.

And like, you just look at their site and they're just hitting, like, trying to hit everyone that's doing anything.

Well, Stephen Bartlett just got hit.

I don't know if you saw this.

Diary of a CEO podcaster.

Oh, yeah.

Massive PR campaign against him for medical misinformation.

Oh, dude.

Yeah, three days ago.

There you go.

They just love to hit that.

And so they, because we released that video on specifically on autism

and showing that chlorine dioxide is effective, this is one where we got to be careful.

So do we have the ability to edit?

Yeah, we can cut it.

Yeah.

So

the chlorine dioxide.

for autism, how there were over a thousand cases documented of children that were like either non-verbal or

very low level or

basically autism, all different

aspects on the spectrum.

And then they

in remission, so like normal lives, and I verified some of these cases.

I talked about them in the films in this particular video that we did.

And then

so then they did, they were basically saying like, well, this is bleach.

And so Jonathan is talking about bleach and this is like super irresponsible and you shouldn't do that.

And like that, don't you know how bad that is and how wrong that is.

And so then I

yeah, so then I just respond i did write to them but i was explaining that hey look this is it's being it's what it's being used in hospitals right uh in bolivia they're using it even intravenously oh wow yeah and and

like dr andres kalka he's got 17 years of experience he's a german biophysicist and he has a he has a foundation out of guadalajara mexico and they're publishing studies continually uh and all the safety measures are well they're so robust

and it is so safe.

And

there's an interesting aspect that it was published by NASA in 1982 and 1987.

It's a universal antidote, which is super interesting that it was there.

It's a universal antidote.

And it is actually like a universal antidote because it's oxygen, like 10,700,000 oxygen molecules for every red blood cell in the body.

And when you're delivering that much oxygen, the reason why red light works, oxygen delivered to the body, you can basically solve so many things.

And so I just explained that and I said, look, sodium and chlorite.

So there's no chlorine and chlorine dioxide.

It's just sodium and chlorite activated by hydrochloric acid.

And I said, sodium is a salt, chlorite's a salt.

And then they're like, it's just impossible.

You read what they're saying.

They're like, Jonathan's wrong.

He said sodium is a salt.

He said chlorite is a salt.

They're not salts.

And like, dude, I can't even have this conversation anymore.

Sodium and chloride are both salts.

And so.

Crazy.

I mean, no matter what you said, they were going to publish a hip piece.

Yeah.

You could have defended it with the most profound like argument.

Yeah, exactly.

And it wouldn't have mattered.

Yeah, I I was just, I was just

sinking ship.

Yeah.

But, but it was, it was fine.

It's just like.

I was more intrigued why they reached out to me and not you.

Yeah.

That's why I sent you it.

I was like, did they hit you up?

And you said no.

So yeah, exactly.

And somehow they found you.

I think in some ways, it might be that they're trying to put pressure on people that are like getting behind people.

Podcasters.

Yeah, 100%.

Yeah, be like, hey, look, you guys are irresponsible.

You're giving a voice to that.

Like where they hit Rogan for having whoever he had on.

Oh, yeah, for the C19 stuff.

yeah yeah exactly pierre corey or peter mcculload like you're irresponsible for having this guy on so they yeah it's just kind of guilt and shame i mean at the end of the day you can't vet every single thing you can't predict what people are going to say yeah you know what i mean like it's not your responsibility it's true like you and you're trying to have a sense censorship-free environment because that's like what makes the world good let the viewers decide yeah that's why i have on both sides on the show i'll have on someone that does what you do and then someone that isn't a fan of what you do yeah you're in therapy right and that's good the viewers can decide what they want to lean towards.

Yeah, that's awesome.

Did you do that?

Not like someone that wanted to rebuttal you completely, but I've had guests that are not a fan of it.

Yeah, cool.

You're in therapy.

Yeah, that's super interesting.

Yeah, that's cool.

That'd be fun.

Like we'd do like a roundtable.

Yeah.

I mean, dude, the comments were hilarious on your clips.

So

people reached out and wanted to voice their opinion.

Oh, yeah.

Put it this way.

One of your guests today.

So Anthony and

Teresa.

Yeah.

So Teresa comes out and I mentioned something about you, like Sean interviewed me on urine therapy.

She says, wow.

And then Anthony pulls over.

She's like, yeah, Armenians do that because they're Armenian.

Oh, wow.

She said, like, not, not necessarily Armenians do it, but yeah, my family did it.

And so she's talking about it.

And then she's like, well, we don't do it anymore.

But my mom, she had ovarian cancer.

You got to work out what to do with this.

But

she, she just went for 20 days, like was just drinking her urine.

And she, she, that's all she did.

And she, she had ovarian cancer after she gave birth to Teresa and became no way in remission.

That's incredible.

So it seems like other countries are more willing to embrace this type of stuff.

Exactly.

Yeah, so true.

It's like, yeah, we think we're all so smart and we have so much and

so much technology and all this, but the reality is that we're missing so much of all this ancient wisdom.

Right.

And the body's unique communication system.

You just can't beat the perfection of a newborn baby.

Their skin, their eyes,

the fact that they were,

that was their building, that was, that was their environment.

And the way that they clear toxins, all of this is so unique and so powerful.

And yeah, the specific antigens to cancer are there in the urine.

Like, you know, there were German kings back in the 1400s that would use just specifically urine therapy for their cancer patients that had them just eat cabbage.

And that's incredible.

It was, it was working.

Like all these cultures, they, they were dealing with what we call today cancer.

Um, and they were using primarily the, the most history is specifically there on urine therapy.

Yeah.

You should do a debate about this.

Have you done that yet?

Dude, I'd love to.

Yeah, I'd set one up.

Maybe with Lane Norton or someone like that.

Oh, yeah, cool.

Yeah, you know that guy, Bio Lane, on Instagram?

Yeah, no, that'd be great.

Yeah, he's big time.

I think it'd be valuable.

I haven't seen a debate on urine therapy before.

Dude, it'd be super fun because if you had people that were just like not just full of ego, but literally like enjoyed a riveting conversation,

that would be fun.

Well, I think, yeah, you would have to come to the table with some facts or some studies.

It can't be just an emotional debate because that's useless.

Oh, 100%.

Yeah.

But that's where it'll be a little hard for them.

Do you think so?

Yeah, because I'd show all the studies and like you show me what, because if you say urine's a waste product, you have to tell me which one of the waste product, which is the waste product.

And I would then pull up the database and say, okay, now here's 5,600 compounds and small molecule metabolites that have been identified in urine.

Show me which ones are good and which ones are bad.

And so you actually have to now talk about things that are documented.

Okay, tell me what's bad about a urine-derived stem cell, which is actually proven specifically to target cancer cells which regulates autophagy uh and the cellular immune system revascularization apoptosis it's regulatory so these are basically the most intelligent form of uh

let's say medicine that that's specific and and and innately intelligent

yeah it's it's just Yeah, it'd be harder for them.

They'd have to go more typically to emotional.

I'll set one up for you next time you're in town.

Dude.

So if you have heavy metals in your body, will that get in your urine?

You'll get a reading, right?

So you'll get a reading so that you, if through urinalysis, you'll find, okay, look, I've got mercury and lead and cadmium and

antimony.

You may see these markers.

But one, it's in infinitesimal amounts.

So any supplement that you buy, for example, will have some amount of all of the metals I just talked about.

So because it's impossible to avoid because they're just in the environment, that's for starters.

So you're already consuming this type of thing.

But one, it's in infinitesimal amounts.

And then it's this, and then two,

when you watch people that do this, like they take it, then you go get, now let's measure your metals levels in your body.

You will notice them drop instead of go up.

And so that then proves that what you're seeing is not the same because remember, it's your blood.

It's passed through your kidneys, which goes through these tiny tubes called nephrons and it's squeezed through this.

And then it comes out as a clear or translucent substance.

And then

it's more sterile than the blood.

And so if,

yeah, so if it's toxic, then the problem is that your blood is then so toxic because it's purer than your blood.

Wow.

So P is more pure than blood.

Absolutely.

That's why it's more sterile than the blood.

Wow.

It's the purification of the blood.

And this is why it's safe to then reconsume.

Even the concept of vampires, like drinking blood and living forever, urine is blood.

It's plasma ultra filtrate, which is plasma blood ultra filtrate, ultra-filtered blood.

That's all it is.

And so you're going to see everything that's in the blood, you'll see in the urine, including all of your neurotransmitters.

Why would somebody that's deficient in every neurotransmitter, serotonin, dopamine, epinephrine,

every hormone to testosterone, why are they dumping this in their urine?

And the answer is they're just signaling molecules.

It's like peptides.

Right.

And so it signals the body.

So it's not an issue.

It's the exact opposite.

The more toxic someone is, the more powerful it is for them.

Yeah.

So it would be smart if you're young and watching this and you're a guy to start storing your urine then

for 10 years down the line, right?

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, exactly.

But the cool thing is there'll always be like young children unless we go through massive infertility, which is happening too.

Yeah, red light is amazing for that, by the way.

Oh, really?

Sperm mobility,

like amazing.

And even women trying to fall pregnant, red light therapy, amazing.

So there's certain ways out of this mess, but then, yeah, there's always going to be abilities to store

urine from others that you can store your own.

Do you store yours in the fridge or where do you put it?

Yeah,

just in cabinets that are with sealed lids.

Oh, jars?

Yeah.

Okay.

So it doesn't have to be a certain temperature.

No, no, there's nothing that shows that that is necessary and the body stores it at room temperature.

It's a naturally a preservative agent.

That's why it's got a lot.

It's really based on a lot of salts and salt is a preserving agent.

So it just preserves naturally it's um pretty pretty uh simple like that but yeah how concerned are you with the microplastic stuff happening right now oh yeah no it's a huge concern um and then we need to look at binders to get these types of things out um and that the things that we're breathing are huge issues as well because lung cancer is killing more people than prostate cancer colon cancer and breast cancer combined dude i just had a pernuvo scan done i have a cyst on my lung wow isn't that crazy yeah wow i'm glad that you've found that and so what and what do they think they think is benign or what?

So here's a problem with, well, I don't know if it's a problem, but they said since it's the first scan, we need to come back in X amount of years and get a second one to see if it's grown.

So I'm kind of in this weird

zone where I don't know if it's a problem or not.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, what I would be doing is I'd be doing red light therapy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like it's proven like the one study on lung cancer showed an overall response of 87%.

So meaning that 87% of participants showed significant turnaround results, improvement, et cetera, which in some cases would be remission, other cases would be other things.

But

and again, like whether it's benign or not, it's just about like dealing, and I know you asked about microplastics before.

Red light therapy, I would believe, would be effective in that.

I just need to think that through more and just see what studies exist.

But binders would be, you know, great to bind, like universal binders like humic and fulvic acid.

But looking at how the body naturally will remove these things because they're lot they end up being lodged all around the body organs people finding in brains in uh testicle yeah okay i'm glad you're on top of this man so what yeah what studies have been done on for example formaldehyde which is a chemical linked to alzheimer red light therapy has been proven to remove formaldehyde from the brain so that's an example and i don't know whether formaldehyde or plastics are harder but they uh it's just because like once it becomes like lodges itself in the cells, like the issue with parasites and cancers, like that's getting talked about a lot, but they're lodging themselves inside the cells and affecting the mitochondria and then stopping and the stem cell production.

And so what's happening is then it's, it's halting it and it's making it, the cells not mature properly because it's interfering with that.

And so then if you can, and then what you're doing is you're entering the cell with red light.

and you're causing the mitochondria to produce adenosine triphosphate ATP.

And then this is the powerhouse of the cell.

So when you give energy back to the cells, then they can perform their functions, which one of their main functions is to detoxify and remove toxins and poisons.

So you've got to just think about how to do this on a cellular level to remove these things and then stop as much of the exposure as possible.

But you can't live on an island.

And that's the same problem that I mentioned with lung cancer.

Like, why is that so prolific when smoking is like it's exponentially dropping down?

Yes, people are vaping more, but

that's still not 95% of the population.

It's smaller subsets.

So why is lung lung cancer killing more than any other cancer and more than the biggest hitters combined?

It's all these stuff that we're breathing in that we don't have control over.

Inside air pollution is often 100 times more toxic than outside air pollution.

Heard that about carpets today.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No more carpets in my house.

Yeah, there you go.

Even quartz tabletops are

off-gassing.

That's every kitchen.

Dude, yeah, exactly.

So you'd have to see what type of material it is.

What's happening with the tires?

What happens to the 2 billion tires that disappear every year?

What happens?

They're in the air.

What?

Yeah, the air is being drawn.

Oh, they burn them?

No, no, they're shredding.

They're shredding on the roads.

Damn.

And they're tiny razor blades that you're breathing in and they're actually cutting

the body.

And where do you think they're conjugating?

They're like, obviously through the lungs.

Damn.

Cause I drive with my windows open, you know, on the highway.

Yeah, they're just breathing in tires.

Yeah, exactly.

Because they sample the air and to find, oh, it's up here.

Where were these tires going?

It was like this big conundrum.

Where did they go?

They're up in the air.

it's like okay well they're not on the sides of the roads they're up in the air but and then electric cars like dump twice as much because they're heavier i just got rid of my tesla i didn't even know about that but mainly for me it was the emf oh yeah because of the battery yeah i saw some scary videos of someone like testing it and it's pretty high yeah dude it's good that you care about this stuff you have to these days man we're being attacked from so many angles it's like you got to constantly be aware of what's going on yeah exactly so like yeah so with something like dealing with at the end of the day when you have have like a cyst, it's, it, it's a conjugation of cells that are not working properly.

And so how do you like, there was a Birmingham University study was amazing where the rats, it was a spinal cord injury study.

They exposed just the rats to one minute a day, one minute.

And it showed that it increased cell viability, meaning the effectiveness of the cells by 45%.

Yeah.

and showed that it was regenerative of the spine and showed that it was neuroprotective.

So protecting brain cells.

So one, that means that just a little bit of exposure even, but you know, I prefer more than that.

You can do 20 minutes a day or you could do 12 minutes, three times a week, or you can choose what you want to do.

But to me, once if you just get your cells functioning better, then you can deal with all this on a cellular level.

Cause otherwise it's like, well, what do I do?

Just keep waiting and then keep getting scanned and just wonder and just kind of feel like you're taking time bomb or do I do I just harness my body's natural abilities to deal with these issues and turn over these unhealthy cells, create apoptosis in these unhealthy cells.

It doesn't matter if it's a tumor or not, it just matters that this clears itself out.

Yeah, and that's where I want to be.

I'd rather be proactive than reactive.

Yeah.

But they're telling people to wait two years to get another scan to see if it grew.

That's a lot of time.

You know, a lot can happen in two years.

Exactly.

And I have a similar friend right now dealing with it in his brain, and it keeps growing every two years.

But what's the treatment from there?

Amazing.

Yeah, there's, and one, that's, that's not good.

And two, um, the good news is that, yeah, some of these therapies,

like,

again, I'm a fan of chlorine dioxide.

I've seen lots of cases with glioblastomas.

I'm a fan of antiparasitics.

I've seen lots of great studies there with glioblastomas.

And I'm not saying that's a glioblastoma, but it's a conjugation of unhealthy cells in the brain or cancer cells.

But the red light therapy particularly has been proven to cause the immune system to target the

cancer cells from growing back because what happens is the glioblastomas when they get brain surgery is like it has a 12 to 15 month survival rate for all glioblastomas for patients because once they remove it, it keeps growing back.

And so one, it's arguable that there's a better way

rather than removing it by using these regenerative therapies to target them, but then it also prevents the recurrence because the immune system is then targeting it for you.

And it's part of the reason why the pharmaceutical complex has

asserted or put forward that a photodynamic therapy or photoimmunotherapy will become the fifth leading treatment to cancer after surgery.

Wow.

So it is, this is the future.

It's already going this direction.

It's in the studies.

It's just that not enough people know about it.

And then people, like, for example, for lungs, one of the ones that's most proven is a chlorophyll derivative called chlorine E6.

So people doing this research, looking at methylene, blue, curcumin, berberine, artemisinin,

which is a malaria drug, but it's a photosensitizer.

So these, when they're consumed, they'll...

they'll help the absorption of light into these unhealthy cells and help clear them out.

So super targeted, super specific, and arguably a lot more powerful than something like chemo because it want not only is it more specific but something like singlet oxygen is so it is so powerful like think about a missile getting blown up and watching that oh that was singlet oxygen which you could replicate with chloride and um and uh hydrogen peroxide yeah you could actually just make it like i'm a fan of oxygen i use oxygen chambers i love it that's awesome oxygen's major where can people uh guess get into red light what's an affordable option for people yeah sure so because of all the research that i've been doing in this this regard i've been really excited about giving people solutions and uh so and we formulated uh like a specific device that combined all the wavelengths that we were looking at in the studies uh and so then we we put eight different wavelengths um

and which range from 480 630 660 810 850 940 980 and 1060.

so We're then targeting all these at once so that people could use this for all the different kinds of issues, thyroid, autoimmune, all the different spectrum of autoimmune challenges, skin rejuvenation, all the cosmetic things.

People are using it instead of liposuction.

Wow.

Yeah.

So because it breaks open fat cells.

There's one of the studies five or six weeks and it was a six five or six inches that all the participants lost without changing anything across the body.

So it'll break the fat cells.

And so people are using it for all these cosmetic benefits.

But so what we did with that, it's the company's Red Life.

And people can go to myredlight.com and to check it out and see what we have.

And we made things like super affordable.

Because

the cool thing is with that, you look at the studies, you look at the results, and then you look at, okay, well, what else would I do?

And you'd say, okay, well, maybe this supplement or that supplement is cheaper.

You think it's cheaper, but you reorder every month.

And so let's say you're paying like $130 supplement a month over a year, that's close to $400.

And then over the next,

you know, let's say 10 10 years, that's $4,000.

And so you, you really, and then that's just one.

Typically, people are going to need like a few.

And there's no one supplement that can do all these different things.

And one of the things I didn't talk about was the stem cell regeneration because it does that.

It actually regenerates stem cells and it's proven to do that, which then it's, they're like really advanced, really expensive therapies and the fact that your body will just do it if it has the right stimulus.

And so you've got therapies that will do all this.

And if somebody's trying to save, then they can, they can like like switch out what they're doing and for you know just go okay i'm gonna invest in this right now uh we did stuff as well where people could do payment plans and you know yeah just do a little bit every month for six months or a year or whatever they want to do so like really great options there and it's and we've seen the most radical transformations amazing yeah we'll link it below yeah code dsh right yeah

yeah yeah that'll give people an additional discount in in addition to the discounts and the free gifts that we added to all the programs there and perfect yeah those full body panels are game changers.

We're seeing people just get that.

I've documented my journey with it.

I'm excited, dude.

I can't wait.

Yeah, thanks for coming on again.

That was awesome.

Welcome, man.

Check out the link below, guys.

See you next time.

Thanks.