TikTok Bans? OWN App Is the Future of Social Media!| Katia Zaitsev DSH #1229

So anyone that creates a profile on own has to be a human being, right?

So how you want to represent that brand is or that profile is up to you, right?

It could be a company, a brand, and so on and so forth, but the person has to be a human being.

And how we verify that is through our own ID, zero-proof identity layer.

All right, guys, got Katya here from Own App.

Thanks for joining us today.

Thanks for having me.

Absolutely.

It was cool meeting your team at the event.

Yes.

During CES, right?

It was, it was such a good event.

I'm so happy that we got to meet.

What a busy week.

Oh my gosh.

I went to like four events in a day.

It's just, it's all scattered throughout too, right?

So you don't really like

essentially know where you're going, right?

You had to pick and choose your battles.

Because the one we were at with at Turpin's house was kind of far from everything.

It was.

So I was like, all right, I'm not.

After this, I'm not going anywhere.

Yeah.

Also, it was really cold.

Freezing.

Yeah.

I was just in DC and it was brick.

Oh, how was DC?

It was fun, but it was nine degrees.

Yeah.

It was snowing when I left.

They had to de-ice my plane.

It got delayed for like three hours.

Yeah.

But I like to be around the energy.

And I'm filming.

So much is happening.

I know.

I filmed some good episodes out there and a lot's going to be changing in the social media space, which we're going to dive into today, right?

Yep.

A lot's going to be changing.

I mean, in technology in general, right?

Health space, financial space, but yes, for sure, the social media space and why I'm here to talk to you about it, right?

You know, we all know about the recent events,

right?

So

TikTok's all over the news.

Is it being banned?

Is it not being banned?

Right.

It's created a fear of unknown that's caused a huge ruckus and people are looking for new options, right?

And it's,

it's, it's good in a way that, you know, me personally, I've been fighting this fight for a while in terms of data ownership and content ownership.

But

it's good to see that individuals, creators, and small businesses are understanding the

fear or the problems associated with not

owning the content that you create, the audience, right?

And especially when you're dedicating your whole entire livelihood, right?

There's over

6

million

Americans lost their livelihoods and small businesses that evening.

And then they regained access over 12 hours, but some actually deleted the app so they couldn't redownload it.

But if they kept that app, they lost

their current revenue streams, in-app purchases, and so on and so forth within the platform.

And

so it's created this whole craziness that happened during January 19th that

is, I think, a lot of creators realize it's time for a change.

Yeah.

I know phones are selling for $10,000 now.

They have TikTok.

Starting.

Yeah.

Starting.

I'm wondering how that would actually work if

you had, like with your Apple,

I think you could turn it off and like sign into a new account.

And you still could have that.

It's so crazy.

You start at 10K, right?

So nuts.

It's nuts.

I'm tempted to honestly.

I got TikTok on like four phones and I don't use a couple.

Yeah, just a quick, you know, turnaround.

A quick 20 grand.

Let's go.

Let's go, right?

Now, I've heard some interesting stuff that TikTok isn't the same.

Apparently, they're censoring stuff now.

So if you look up certain topics, I know the recent one I saw was like Free Palestine.

You can't even type that or something.

Yeah.

And it's, I mean, they were always censoring all the platforms censor in some kind of capacity, right?

But yes, there, it's more and more now.

And, you know, people are hoping that it's going to be bought by an American company, right?

But then in reality, it's just a data transfer or a content ownership transfer.

So you have access to that data and IP, right?

So

yes, it's all controlled by obviously a Chinese entity, but then it

even if it does get bought by an American entity, they'll just gain, they'll regain control of that as well.

Right.

Right.

And so hopefully it's to a good party if that happens, right?

But yes, they are censoring more.

Always they were a little bit right depending on different political views and products that you want to sell and so on and so forth.

And that's one of the dangers currently with social media in general.

Yeah.

And then there's always that theory of they're listening to you while you're not using them.

Oh, yeah.

I think Apple, was it Apple?

One of the big ones.

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Got sued and then they found out they actually were listening.

Yep.

Oh, there's lawsuits going on all the time.

I don't know if you saw that meme.

They're like, oh, everyone's afraid

that TikTok's going to be banned, but Alexa is just listening around the corner.

I've seen the under a cover FBI agent meme.

Yeah, it's just, well, that's the thing, right?

They are listening.

And I think what

everyone should understand, it's not just creators, right?

When you create an account with any type of platform, not only social media, you are signing two two contracts with them, right?

Privacy policy and a terms and conditions, right?

And when you open,

when you click those check marks, you have to read them, right?

It's like 80 pages.

It's like 80 pages, right?

But you have to understand them because you're signing essentially

access to

stuff that is your content or your data, whether it's your email, phone number, but the ones in TikTok in particular, you're giving, I don't know if you've read it before, you're giving them access to your phone, to your text messages, your email.

Wow, um, the all the content that you create, you're giving them irrevocable license to do whatever you want with your with your content.

But Meta has the same thing, it's just owned by a U.S.

entity,

right?

So it's really nuts.

And you know, I think that one, we need to educate, right?

But also

more and more now because

your online identity is so important currently, right?

Probably in two years, maybe sooner, it's gonna be more important than your offline identity, right?

So if we don't have the right infrastructure put in place where you're in complete ownership and control of that,

then you're really in trouble, right?

Because it's not only if you decide to become a content creator.

If you're opening any type of business, you need to have an online presence, right?

You need to build build your brand.

You are your brand, right?

You are your new media, right?

And we're seeing it happen all every day right now, especially with the rise of AI, right?

We're getting robocalls all the time.

And that's all because we don't have control of our data online.

Right.

And, you know, it goes on with such risks that we need to regain that because fine, you and I maybe will figure it out, right?

Because we're in the space or maybe more educated on it.

Right.

But the average individual that that might be, you know, making maybe a couple grand online, right?

They're not going to know how to stop that.

And they're not going to be able to regain control.

And that's when the troubles really start.

Agreed.

Yeah.

I'm glad you brought up the robo calls.

I'm on do not disturb all day.

Yeah.

I get 20 calls a day.

It's yeah.

And even I even download that.

There's like a robo killer app, right?

And that prevents that, but that's because we're subscribing to things and then we're not reading the terms and conditions.

And they have, we're just pressing it because for convenience.

right and there is I spoke to an executive at Google and when she you know looked at what we were doing and so on and so forth and the problem is is that currently right now how everything is structured

In in the age of technology in the age of speed right we want something everything to be easy accessible very quick right we will sacrifice our privacy for convenience right

and Essentially, that's why we're checking those boxes because it's just convenient easy easy, you want to get through, right?

But until there's a solution out there, right, or solutions out there, because I believe that all companies need to be structured this way,

and there's a solution that is completely secure, but also convenient, users will move.

Agreed.

Yeah, I might have to start using ChatGPT to summarize some of these terms and conditions for me.

Yes.

Well, and that's the thing.

That's another thing.

Don't put your IP in chat GPT because if you read that one,

but it's good for in terms of

in terms of definite legal and ease of use.

But yes, summarize those and especially with social media.

I mean, Meta is not any better.

It's a little bit better than

TikTok, but

you know, it's just so funny.

I don't know if you saw Red Note, the rise.

Yeah, I heard about it.

I didn't get it.

Don't get it because it's even worse.

Even if you delete it and you post, they have unlimited license to do anything they want with your content.

You're dating.

Wow.

They can make advertisements, AI agents, whatever.

I remember when I used to use dating apps when I was single, and like,

you would delete the app, but you'd still be there.

Yeah.

Like, they still have all your data.

Your profile is still there.

Even if you delete it.

Yeah.

Is that legal?

Because people would send me screenshots of my profile while I was dating.

Maybe someone created another profile.

No.

Oh, it could have been a fake one.

Well, that's an issue now.

I heard

on these apps.

I heard there's a bunch of fake AIs sending people to their adult content sites or whatever.

Yep.

You know, that's exactly.

We're seeing that all the time.

We have some influencers that

have pages

on TikTok or other platforms and same thing.

They did an ad and the next day they're seeing an AI agent create a whole different advertisement for a certain product to sell on Instagram.

It's crazy.

And they don't, they can't.

they can't get it out.

You have to go through so much loopholes to really get that

content back and that and put down from those platforms.

The AI has gotten so good.

What people are doing now with my most popular guests is they'll have them talking they'll change the way their mouth moves and like pitch their product but they're acting like they're on my podcast isn't that crazy it's insane like they're doing that with rogan too yes and rogan too um and also i don't know if you've seen how they put different celebrity characters in like the the trailer severance no i didn't see oh my god i actually they put like um

I forget the actor's name, but John Wick's character within Severance.

Yeah, Keanu Reeves, yes.

Within Within the main character of Severance.

And honestly, I couldn't tell.

It's getting and it's getting more accurate on daily basis.

In a year, two years, five years, forget it, right?

Deep bakes and it's going to be dangerous because overnight we're going to see

the president of any country

declare.

you know, war, right?

And it could be an AI.

Wow.

Right.

And then what?

That's crazy.

And then what?

People believe it and it's going to start, you know, chaos.

Yeah.

Right.

So we need to get under control.

As a business owner, you got to prepare.

So there's actually podcasters that are AI now.

Yeah.

And these companies offer to buy my podcast so they could train their models.

They're offering me like hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Oh my gosh.

So basically in a few years, a lot of podcasts will be AI.

Yep.

Wow.

Isn't that crazy?

That is crazy.

I don't know if we want to get into the topic of also AI girlfriends and boyfriends.

I've seen that.

I've seen that.

There's, I think they're going to say one in like five men will have it.

I could 100% see that because like the stats on virgins are crazy now.

It's like 40%.

And I saw the one at CES.

Did you see that one?

I didn't see it.

There was an AI robot companion.

Oh, how did it look?

Not that good yet, but I feel like in like a few years, it'll be like Black Mirror.

Yep.

Or that one new movie on Netflix with Megan Fox.

Did you see that one?

That's a good movie.

I could see that happening.

I could 100 see that happening.

And also,

especially, that's the dangers of AI.

If they're trying to put emotion, human emotions into it.

And it's true, it can do exactly what happened in that movie.

Wow.

Right.

And obviously not tomorrow, but within five, 10 years, 100%.

I mean.

Just learn so fast.

Yeah.

You know, it's already the best thing at chess.

It's the best at video games.

We can do that in every industry.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it's dangerous.

And there needs to be protocols set in place

where there is some kind of, you know, control or restrictions in terms of what,

how, how capable it can get, right?

Or else we're going to be in a lot of trouble.

That's fearful.

First of all, I'm not, you know, an X AI person, right?

Because I use it too, right?

And I think it is good to

utilize AI to make your life easier, right?

And, you know, be more productive and stuff like that.

But to replace the human race that's when it gets really dangerous yeah it's gonna be scary we're going terminator in a few years

man yeah we'll be in CS in a couple years and be like ah

so that's a good segue with the own app like are you gonna allow AI on the platform um we're gonna be utilizing AI right um on on the platform and that's going to be

so i guess i could you know maybe give a little overview what own is yeah explain it yeah so own is a

uh

new social media app for the new era for content creators.

It's a creator-first platform where every user on own owns 100% of their followers and audience and also 100% of the content they create.

We pay up to 50% more.

We're zero bot proof.

And also we have a new algorithm that's based on merit rather than user's data.

And what that really means, it means that you can go viral with zero followers.

And also for the user, since it is bot proof as well it's going to give you true content discovery based on

what you really want to see rather than having biased algorithms or pay-to-play ads kind of target you right so it's it's a new it's a completely new system for the new era of the growing creator economy um will we allow uh ai you know

individuals so the person that creates so we have multi-level technology on our app right so anyone that creates a profile on own has to be a human being, right?

So how you want to represent that brand is or that profile is up to you, right?

It could be a company, a brand, and so on and so forth, but the person has to be a human being.

And how we verify that is through our own ID, zero-proof identity layer.

right and it's a multi-level system utilizing blockchain technology right that verifies that you are who you are.

And also those individuals actually follow me and I follow them.

And every content that I post is tied to my identity.

So every time it's reshared or reposted, you could track to the original content creator.

So it solves a major IP issue and also provides monetization opportunities that if someone does reshare it or creates a reaction video, the original content creator gets paid for that.

Oh, wow.

Yes.

That's cool.

So it's, yeah, which has not been done before.

Everything's going to be automated in that sense.

In terms of AI,

of course, the app is going to be utilizing AI.

It's going to verify if,

one, it's going to be using into kind of

in two folds, right?

We have zero censorship on our platform, but we're not going to allow any illegal content, right?

That's going to be on our platform, right?

So the AI will detect that and essentially then, you know, report a ban or a warning and so on and so forth.

So that's how we'll be leveraging AI.

Also, we're partnered with Digital Twin, where they're going to be creating AI agents and integrating AI agent within the app for the influencers to communicate with our content creators as well.

So there's going to be multiple ways that we'll leverage AI, but again, to...

better the platform and not to replace humans and so on and so forth.

Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see which platforms will adapt to this new era.

I think X has done really well.

They're getting the most traffic they've ever gotten.

Yeah.

So I think the truth, like you said, no censorship is what's next.

And you're seeing it because Facebook just announced that no more fact checking, right?

Yeah.

Because they were probably losing a ton of users, I'd imagine, from the fact checks.

Some of my videos were getting shadow banned, you know, fact-checked.

It's crazy.

Yes.

It's, I mean, you saw probably the Rogan episode with him, right?

And I mean, shout out to Zuck for apologizing and,

you know, moving with the new wave, right?

He's a smart businessman.

He's smart.

I'm not going to, you know, I'm not going to say anything bad about anyone.

I think that it's going to, you're going to really tell in the next couple of years who are going to be,

you know, the leaders in the new wave because technology is evolving.

People are evolving.

And it needs to match, right?

There needs to be education, but also the platforms need to accommodate this new wave.

But it's true, it's gone out of control, the censorship of these platforms.

We had influencers that were partnered with, but also just, you know, some stories that they shared with us.

For example,

there's this one girl who has a clean tampon brand, right?

Oh, no, artificial stuff.

No, they can't.

Yes, no, yes, no artificial stuff.

And they couldn't say the word blood anymore.

Really?

Yes.

Wow.

And so that they have to say red stuff.

So on TikTok, right?

So, and, you know, this girl's making 20 million in revenue a year

from that.

Right.

So, and she can't, and she's trying to normalize it, right?

So it's just, it's unnecessary.

Why should that happen?

Right.

And it is, it's the new wave.

And yes, platforms need to come accustomed with it.

You know, everybody has an opinion, right?

But just because I don't agree with you, it doesn't mean that you're wrong or I'm right.

Right.

Yeah.

I couldn't say vaccine the first year of the podcast.

Yeah.

Especially on YouTube.

Especially on YouTube, right?

I mean, nobody was able to talk about it until just like recently.

Yep.

I think just since Trump got elected, there's a lot more that people could probably even talk about right now, right?

I could have mentioned autism.

I could have mentioned J6,

vaccine, any cure for diseases.

That's crazy.

Yeah, it was nuts.

So how is Joe Rogan able?

He was was able to get it.

He's in a different category because he's so in there with Spotify.

Okay.

So, like, I don't think he can't really, they tried to cancel him.

They tried to.

I forget what happened.

It was like a year ago, but I mean, you're pretty good at your

up there.

I'm up there, but I still got to play by their rules because YouTube has a three-strike system.

Okay.

So, I've gotten a couple strikes.

If I lost to YouTube, it'd be a big loss.

Yes.

Yeah.

I'm at their mercy for now.

Yeah.

So, um, YouTube has been quiet during this, uh, all this TikTok ruckus, I feel like.

They've been quiet.

I know their CEO passed away, right?

Yeah.

Like last year.

So they're under new ownership.

We'll see how they pivot.

Yeah.

But I think they'll be forced to because you got apps like Rumble and Kick that are gaining a lot of traction right now and upcoming apps like yours, I'd imagine.

Yeah, exactly.

Right.

And, you know, I think it is, there's a new race.

And now you could speak.

about

YouTube or Instagram and X, I guess, and TikTok, of course, as as the social media legacy apps.

Yeah.

Right.

Just like the legacy media,

NBC and so on and so forth, right?

So they're either going to evolve, right?

Or fall, right?

The thing is that, you know, censorship bots, AI is one piece of the pie, right?

But also, you know,

it's the way their infrastructure is structured.

They're going to have to

really revamp to make it more creator friendly because there's apps like mine that are coming out that are offering better opportunities, like paying them more and so on and so forth.

Because it's more than just ownership and censorship, it's giving creators the opportunity to make higher revenues as well.

Yeah, there is a lot, I'm friends with a lot of creators.

You are too.

There's a lot of frustration with some of the payouts on certain platforms right now.

It's a lot less than what it used to be, apparently.

And I've seen the numbers myself, and it's interesting, right?

It's a lot less.

We have creators that used to make four or five times more than they used to.

And it's anywhere in between, one, it's becoming a little more oversaturated, right?

But also lack of transparency that these platforms are offering to the creators.

So you don't actually know what you're going to create, right?

One,

one, it's not equal around the world, right?

I don't know if you know, but the TikTok Creator Fund

is not paying all creators all around the world.

Only US and certain regions around the world have access to it.

And also, recently, same thing, they're getting paid significantly less than they used to.

I think it's like $20 per a million views, right?

When creators are the new brand, they are the new media, right?

And so, you know, that all just needs to needs to shift

towards them.

I get 100 million views a month just off Instagram.

Wow.

Yeah, 40 million unique accounts reached a month, and I get $2.

No,

you're joking.

On Instagram.

$2 a month, yeah.

And I talk to other people big on Instagram and it's similar numbers.

Oh my god.

Like five bucks or whatever.

Oh my gosh.

I don't know if that's partially because the video length.

I'm not sure because my clips are under a minute, but either way, it's it doesn't matter.

That's a huge reach.

Yeah.

And even TikTok, I used to make like $2,000 a month.

Now it's like a couple hundred.

That's sound like and you're getting how much on TikTok?

At least 10 million a month on TikTok.

Yeah.

And that's their creator fund structures.

How's YouTube paying you?

It's a few thousand, but it's way less than it used to be, especially like long form on YouTube.

Used to be able to make a living just off YouTube.

Now it's like super tough.

It is.

It is.

And, you know,

it's,

I can't believe, I can't believe I'm hearing that, saying that from you because you have a huge following.

I know.

So, so luckily I'm able to monetize in other areas, but the average creator.

exactly but the average creator doesn't have that yeah they're relying on views for money as their number one source exactly So it's really tough to make a living just off views right now.

And then, you know, not everyone has the business acumen to also get the opportunities for the business sponsorships and

stuff.

Yeah, it's not an easy thing.

No, you need to have the right managers and make sure the right managers are the right managers.

And, you know, there's individuals that go viral overnight and you're not essentially able to get the right payment structures.

And that's something that, you know, we're hearing on a daily basis.

We had a random viral moment of just talking about what we do on TikTok out of all places.

And,

you know, we were hearing all these stories, right?

And everyone's asking, How can I monetize?

And I'm from Canada, I'm from Mexico City.

Do I have access to the monetization opportunity?

And, you know, I could, I'm, and I'm just going to go through with them, right?

You know, we have five different revenue streams for our content creators.

Number one, we're going to market with tipping.

And we are going to allow the creators to have 80% of the tips rather than taking over 50% that TikTok takes.

Licensing, users can license their content on our platform.

When you sign that terms and conditions and privacy policy with us, we don't have co-licensing opportunities or any access to that content that you create.

You can license it to brands and so on and so forth on our platform.

Number three, we have sponsorships and ads.

There's a matchmaking that we'll have that will match make you with the sponsorships and different advertisers that are based on the type of content that you create.

Number four is own shops.

We'll have the own shops within our platforms, the e-commerce platforms, any affiliate links or your own shops to sell merch and so on and so forth.

That'll be available to your followers.

And lastly, is our creator fund.

As you know, we were just talking about, and I thought it was a great segue to discuss it because it's so important.

I just, I can't, I still can't believe how you told me how you got paid $2 for your hundred.

And that's common on Instagram.

Oh Oh my God.

Yeah.

I've never heard of any big payouts on Instagram.

That's, yeah.

So what we're doing here is providing fair and equal opportunity, no matter if you're in the US,

Mexico City, Canada, Africa, India, wherever the case is,

but also,

you know, fair compensation.

So our creator fund is different.

It's a tokenized creator fund.

And the way it will operate, it's an engagement and analytics platform.

They'll be integrated into our platform called the hashtag create fund.

And what it will do is read out your engagement on our platform.

So, your likes, comments, shares, and so on and so forth, and create this merit score engagement rate that will pay you out via tokens.

And you don't need to have a minimum of a certain amount of followers or a minimum of a certain engagement to even qualify it.

You from day one get a certain amount of views, you'll be paid out via that

via our system.

Wow.

Right.

So, and it's going to be simple for the ones that don't understand tokens.

It's going to showcase all in USD.

It's a three-step process.

You can withdraw super easily.

My chief creative officer and co-creator, Sarah Mick, designed the app.

She also created Tinder and Bumble.

Wow.

And yeah, invented the Tinder swipe.

So we're making sure that the user experience, the individual, is not going to know that it's a decentralized platform or there's tokens.

I actually, we don't even like to say it, but it's the only way to move forward and to provide equal, fair opportunity and payment structure globally and worldwide is through this model.

I love that.

Yeah, that sounds like a creator fund.

We can all get behind.

Yeah, well, that's the thing.

And in the future, that's why we called it Create Fund is because later on, we hope that other platforms are going to adopt it.

It's a global

creator fund.

So if YouTube wants to utilize it, Twitch,

X, and Instagram or whatever new platforms that come up there, it's going to be open as an SDK to all.

So we could actually make an impact in the creator economy.

That's awesome.

Pay out.

creators and small businesses fairly on the engagement that they work.

Like how many years did you work to get that 100 million monthly views?

Started Instagram in high school, so it's been 10 years.

Yeah, we got our 10-year reunion this year.

Well, congratulations, right and that's 10 years of you working your ass off to get to this place you should be compensated for it and that's what we're doing here i love it you're gonna do a south by southwest activation too yes and we're having an event we're having an event together yes so our office is uh in downtown or a little bit east downtown austin 10 minutes walk from the convention center our it's a complex and you're gonna love it uh there's a bunch of pods in the back but yes we're turning it into a crater house so we're gonna have multiple events from the seventh onwards.

We're going to have an event together with you.

On the 11th.

It's already almost sold out, actually.

That's amazing.

Yeah.

So it's going to be packed.

It's going to be packed.

It's going to be super fun.

And yeah, it's, I'm super excited because this year's focus, I don't know if you know, I mean, well, it's a trend with a lot of conferences.

They are.

There's a creator economy focus, right?

So they're flying in so much creators and different opportunities that are going to be handed out to different people.

There's literally a creator economy conference in Vegas.

Yeah.

Is that on May or sorry, April 5th?

Or is that another one?

It's during affiliate summit week, which is February.

Okay.

Okay.

So

there might be another one.

Yeah.

This year, I'm seeing them everywhere.

They're inviting us to come in and so on and so forth.

So it's

a huge, it's, it's a big, it's a big year.

Well, like you said, it's a big problem.

So they need to find the solution.

Everyone's looking for solutions.

And usually, when that happens, there's conferences, get-togethers that are created for

brands, advertisers, creators to come together and figure out a solution because there's no actually proper way to for either to monetize properly and efficiently.

Yeah.

Right.

And that's the problem that we're solving.

Yeah.

I mean, people would be shocked that how many creators I know that are broke are struggling right now, but just because they have millions of followers and get a ton of views doesn't mean they're making money.

It's it's insane.

And so that's why

I love that you say that's because I was on a call this morning and they were bringing that up to me like, well, you know, there's so many creators that are making so much money.

I'm like, they're not making money.

That's like, they used to, right?

But they're not anymore.

So everyone's like, where do I go?

Yeah.

Right.

And then I go there and then I have to play by the rules and I get censored.

I get banned or whatever the case is.

And I'm not even making money.

And you guys are putting so many years, hours in creating, editing, posting, and then you're not getting paid for it.

So it's probably why everyone's going to OnlyFans.

Yeah.

No disrespect.

But

no, you brought up a good point because it's also that suppression factor.

Yes.

Because they used to be able to guarantee these brands a certain amount of views, but now those posts are getting shadow banned or not shown to their followers, maybe 1% of their followers.

Yep.

So like having followers is almost irrelevant on certain platforms.

It is.

It is.

It's a pay-for-play mechanism that these platforms have designed and is actually moving more towards because they're losing money too, right?

So they're designing in a way that to get visibility and reach, you have to pay ads, pay for play to get that proper reach.

But even so, you pay it and you get the views, but you're not getting compensated.

So

what are we doing here?

For real.

It's it's it's enough.

Yeah, it's a vicious cycle because if you don't pay for it, your views are down.

Yeah.

But if you do pay for it, you can get your views back, but you're not making money.

And then you need to go show the brand sponsorships to get that, this, that, that.

So it's, it's just like a back and forth game that, you know, just needs to be solved.

Absolutely.

Anything you want to close off with here?

That was fun.

Yes, that was fun.

Um, yeah, I would, you know, love for

right now.

We are in our VIP beta list.

So go on www.ww.

Oh,

I'm sorry.

So,

yes, this was super fun.

I would love everyone to go download the app.

We're currently in our beta stage.

We have a bunch of individuals signed up.

We're launching in February.

We're also launching our creator fund in February.

So, and right off the bat, when we're launching and also a big splash during South by Southwest, what we're doing and what we're hoping for is

to give a kickstart and a relief to creators on our platform, not only in the U.S.

that are being affected by the TikTok ban, but everyone in the world.

So

with our creator fund, we are, I would like to announce here that we are giving away 100 million tokens to content creators.

Wow.

And how that's, how you're able to allocate it is to download the app, receive your affiliate link, and share that link with your friends, your followers,

and every person that clicks on that link and downloads the app, you get a token.

So share it with your millions of followers.

You get one token per download.

And you can get thousands and millions of tokens, of course, depending on your reach and how many individuals that you have.

But even if you do get even a couple, but we want to kickstart our app by giving back, right?

I think that's important.

And, you know, starting to build that trust of the creator-first platform rather than the platform-first platform.

And, and yeah, that's what we're doing.

I love it.

Well, we'll link the app below for you guys to download, and I'll see you guys at South by, right?

Yes.

And also, I'd love to give you this gift.

Oh, thank you.

And I'd love you to start owning your on own.

Yes.

Feels good.

Getting all these views and not getting anything, you know?

Yes.

Thanks so much.

You got a hoodie in here?

You got a hoodie.

You got a fun hat.

Cool.

I love hoodies, as you can tell.

Yes.

Yes.

So, and a fun hat.

Own it.

Yes.

I own it, baby.

All right.

Thanks so much.

Thank you for coming so much.

Yeah, have a good one.

Girl, guys.

Peace.