How to Navigate Social Media Censorship Like a Pro | Charleston White DSH #1140

Talking about they were paying a lot of money to celebrity.

That's what kind of bankrupt their campaign.

Yeah.

Man, they paid a lot of money for celebrity to just endorse that movement.

If they offered you a million dollars, what would you have done?

A million to support Kamala Harris.

Nah.

Nah, come with a little bit more.

I love it.

Yeah, yeah.

Come with a little bit more.

And it would have been a vague support.

Yeah.

It would have been a vague support.

All right, guys.

One of my best guests of all time, man.

Charleston White, he is back.

We're in DC.

As always, man,

inauguration weekend.

Times are changing, right?

Very much so.

Yeah, a lot of good stuff that's been happening.

Holy crap.

Oh, yeah.

We lost TikTok

for now.

But I heard it's coming back.

Well, I've been reading up on it all day.

So I think they're trying to work to have it by tomorrow.

So, yeah, let's go.

But that's not even your biggest platform.

No, that's not.

I think I probably

sent me my analytical data from TikTok.

So just hashtag Charleston White had over 2.

billion views.

Hashtag Charleston White Memes got like 20 million.

So when I was looking at the numbers, I'm probably well over 3 billion views on TikTok.

But I probably, probably YouTube and Instagram is my biggest.

That's insane.

Yeah.

You've been partnering with all the biggest live streamers too, right?

Are you going to start live streaming more this year?

Yeah, with Aiden Ross.

Nice.

Yeah, so he's back streaming.

So I'm going to be streaming with him.

I thought about doing him on, but I don't think I do well doing him on.

How come?

Too controversial?

Yeah, too much controversial yeah you need some guidance yeah i need a lot of guidance over there i i tend to uh i tend to walk the fine line on on community rules uh on social media platforms so uh i'm pushing free speech that's why i love twitter yeah yeah yeah

i mean there's there's a lot of racism on there these days but yeah free speech is there you know but i guess you can't do much against that

i'm in free speech you have to let it go yeah uh you know the the the rhetoric uh seems to be hateful and mean uh just as long as the behavior and action don't turn into the rhetoric.

I feel that, man.

Yeah.

Dude, yeah, I told you what happened with that season to sis, but Jagar Wright, she's been going on all our shows, talking a lot of stuff.

Yeah.

Yeah.

She probably got one, too.

I'm sure she did.

I'm sure a few of the platforms that she was on, they got shut down momentarily.

So I think that

deleted.

Yeah, real life street stars.

I think a lot of, they got copyright striked on YouTube.

So yeah.

Damn.

You go on there a lot, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's one of your biggest ones.

Yeah.

Then the state's TV.

Yeah.

I guess certain people you really can't do much about, you know?

Nah.

Well, she seemed to exaggerate a lot.

You think so?

Yeah, she seemed to exaggerate a lot.

Yeah,

to me, she did.

Holy girl, I thought.

Yeah, to me, she did.

Who have you been watching a lot lately?

Really, the president.

I've been watching the president a lot lately.

And then I watch a lot of me.

So I engage my audience, my demographics a lot on social media.

So I spend a lot of time watching me.

Trump's energy this time around seems a lot more different, right?

It's kind of like going, you know, going to the playoffs or going into a Super Bowl.

If you've already been there once, you kind of know how this thing goes.

So it seems more comfortable.

It seems more confident.

And it seems like now

he has a direct focus on where we want to take the country,

bring business back to America.

So I think that has always been one of his main concerns is bringing businesses back to America.

I know a lot of people was upset with him, with the people he's picking for his cabinet, but it's going to get a lot of businessmen.

And in America,

you know, whether people believe it or not, it's really a corporation and should be ran by businessmen.

So less politicians and more businessmen.

Absolutely.

Did you get it on that crypto coin last night?

Yeah, yeah.

Well,

I dropped my own crypto coin.

You know, acronym, you know, nigga, N-I-G-G-A, never ignorant, never ignorant, getting goals accomplished.

That was you?

Yeah, that was me.

I saw that coin.

Yeah, that was me.

I didn't know that was you.

It did 700,000 market cap uh the first the first day wow uh most people think that i was gonna do a rug pull like the hawk tour girl and so i'm just now really really starting to have a uh a better understanding of how crypto is so now uh i plan on having that coin for the long haul i mean dude his coin crushed it yeah holy crap yeah he did

uh a whole nother world yeah so uh yeah i've been pushing my coin man it took me a while so i've been arguing with with with crypto experts for the last two years uh they've been fighting with me trying to get me to see the future and i'm saying man man, fuck crypto.

It can be easily wiped away in one day.

But when you look at the history of it, it looked like it's here to stay.

And once they showed me that I can turn this digital currency, digital currency into actual cash, I can go purchase things in real life with it.

Yeah, they made me a believer.

You can buy a lot of crypto these days.

I see.

I've seen people buy watches.

I've seen someone buy a house.

I saw that.

Yeah, I saw that.

That's kind of what made me a believer.

I said, man, they really bought a house.

I said, okay, yeah, I want in.

It's pretty much cash at this point.

Yeah, it is.

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Oh, I did.

It sounded like some old cash money, some old New Orleans Master P.

kind of music, probably from about 2005, 2006.

I wasn't feeling it, but I thought it was a good song.

Oh, you weren't feeling it no no

it's old school you know it's i i'm not a dancer uh i like dancers so you're not that you know one of them tempos will make you dance and move but uh nah i wasn't feeling it that was too old school did you like it i thought it was good for his first song i but i i said if you make another one then he might got something so they said he's he's working on another one so yeah we'll see if he can keep it up because it's hard these days to maintain to produce an album at that yeah so i heard he got what in between eight to 13 million signed by death jam or somebody so that's the most i've heard in recent deals That's pretty good.

That's pretty good these days.

That's pretty good.

Yeah, because a lot of artists can't.

I mean, Lil Baby's album, I saw you said it was okay.

I'm listening to it.

I done took him from a C minus to a B plus.

Okay, so it's growing on you.

Well, you see, he's growing.

I'm starting.

So at first, I was caught up with the beats, the tempo, the style of flow.

So you kind of get

lost in hearing the lyrics when you completely focus on the beats.

So I've been listening to the lyrics and you can see growth in him.

So yeah, yeah, I take him to a B, I'm B plus.

Yeah, growing on me.

Any other new music you like lately?

Oh,

I like Boston Richie.

Okay.

So within the last 90 days, Boston Richie done grew on me.

Boston Richie.

Yeah, Boston Richie.

I think he's a young guy to Florida, I believe.

What makes his stuff so good for you?

Real catchy flow.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah, real catchy flow.

I'll have to check him out.

Yeah.

I don't listen to much rap and hip-hop anymore, to be honest.

You don't?

Nah, it just puts me in a mood.

Yeah.

You know, I feel like certain music affects your mood.

It does.

Yeah, yeah, it does.

So that's why they got love music.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They got music you play here.

You got a playlist.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, at one point in time, it came with drive-by music, you know, music that you would play before drive-by.

So yeah, it does change the tempo of the floor thing.

What do you think of this new like hip-hop partnering with like country kind of music style, I guess?

You like it?

No.

Yeah, no.

Each need to stay in its own lane.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, I think it's because the numbers were kind of going down in hip-hop.

They were kind of figuring out new ways to make music, right?

Oh, If they made a variety of music, it just all went to drill music for the last, what, 10, 15 years.

It all went negative.

You know, no more keep your head ups.

No more Dear Mama type songs.

No more fight the power.

You know,

like,

yeah, it just

became one-sided.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It wasn't a variety.

Yeah.

So on the way here, Drake announced another lawsuit.

He's suing,

I think, Kendrick's label.

For defamation, I believe.

Yeah, did you see that?

Yeah, it makes sense.

Uh, you called me a pedophile in the song, everybody took it and ran with it.

Uh, you know, kind of

hurts his brand, I think.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You stood up for Drake on the last time you came on.

Uh, a lot of people are going against him.

It's interesting to see like the sides people are picking.

Oh,

divide and conquer.

Yeah, yeah, hip-hop is being conquered, uh, and it's extremely divided.

So, just think, uh, future, uh, Drake,

uh,

Rick Ross.

man, they made some of the hottest songs together, all those guys.

Just about all of them who went against him got a hit with him.

Metro Booming, so you know, all them guys got hits together.

And so I'm to fall out

at this magnitude speaks volume.

Yeah, it's interesting, right?

Yeah.

Makes you wonder, like, what's really going on.

Yeah, I think probably sleeping with the same girls.

Yeah, yeah, somewhere.

Somewhere else, it got to do something with a woman, I think.

I mean, you saw what happened with Drake and LeBron, right?

I heard, I heard, yeah, shout out to DJ Academics.

Yeah, I heard.

Yeah, academics.

Yeah, he spilled all the beans.

That was a big story for him to break to

go against him like that, you know.

Oh, you know, that, yeah, that's the powers to be.

So, yeah.

Uh, but

yeah, I like academics.

I like academics.

I like that.

Have you been on his show yet?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Nice.

Yeah, yeah, that's.

Yeah, people be offering crazy amounts for sex.

You saw what happened with Skip Ailis?

Yeah, 1.5 million.

Oh, my God.

Yeah, I think she should have taken it.

I would have.

yeah, yeah.

I would encourage my woman to do it.

He offered you how much, baby?

Yeah, man, 1.5.

He'll be done in 10 minutes.

Take it.

Yeah.

Less than that.

Oh, my God.

Yeah, yeah.

He offered a lot of money.

Just imagine what he's making to be able to offer that.

He's making stupid money, but now Stephen A.

Smith is kind of taking the throne.

He's like the goat, in my opinion.

Well, he hadn't been fired, have he?

Stephen A or Skip?

No, Skip.

Skip.

Yeah, he got fired and now he's been struggling on his own, kind of.

Okay.

Already.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But Stephen A is the goat in my eyes.

Yeah, he is.

Yeah.

Shout out to Stephen A, man.

You seen this Blake Lively stuff?

No.

You didn't see this?

No.

What?

The Me Too stuff?

Nah, Blake Lively?

Yeah.

You like her?

Yeah.

Oh, you're going to have to look into this one then.

Oh, what's the deal with her?

She's the one who went and said, that's the one that said what they had to do at the sports network to...

Sports networks.

No, I don't know.

I don't think it's the same person.

Blake Lively.

No, that's Joy.

I think that was Joy or somebody that said that the girls was, one lady had to sleep with everybody to get to the top.

That might have have been joy yeah i think that i believe lively is the blonde girl from godsome girl she's an actress

okay she she's doing the me too stuff again oh yeah yeah any particular name uh that we can say and not get in trouble for i forget the actor does anyone do you know

forget it was a co-worker of hers that they started a movie with okay but he's making she's making some accusations but

damn i'm surprised you didn't hear that one no not no that was going by me you've been following the fires yeah i've been paying attention yeah what do you think happened there arson yeah you think it was man-made yeah i think it was man-made i i i i sincerely don't believe a power line caused all that hell no yeah i can't see it i mean there's some videos um

man that's that's massive destruction for you know they i think i think a foul uh a power line can be easily contained uh i think this was set up in multiple places to burn the way it's been burning so i mean there was three fires at the same exact time yeah it just seems really weird Yeah.

You know?

Yeah, I'm with the conspiracy theories.

Now, this is a human setting fires.

And yeah, we just hadn't caught the corporates yet.

I feel that.

What other conspiracies you big on?

Moon landing.

Moon landing?

The drone that was flown, seen flowing over New Jersey.

Yeah, I think that was conspiracy.

You think that was government?

Yeah.

I think so, too.

Yeah, I think that was government.

I mean, it had a way.

Yeah.

They turned the blind's eye for too long to it trump was too comfortable in his speech he was like oh i know what that was yeah you know they should tell us you know you kind of allude to to some days so yeah yeah yeah i think that was yeah there's a lot of government manageries these days man shout out to candace owens for exposing some of these yeah i love candace big fan of candace i'd love to see you two together man they've been trying to work to get me and her to be on the platform together uh i think my people have talked to her people at some point in time we just can never align at times let me see what i can do man she's coming on the show this year please i love her you might have to go out to nashville but i think it's worth it yeah yeah yeah i love nashville that's one of my that's one of my favorite places to go i do business with the textile industry out there oh yeah what's your business set uh textile so that's anything in your in your house from socks to underwear panties bras uh blankets pillowcases okay uh you know the whole textile industry uh that that derived from cotton i love that yeah that's what i like about you man you're always in something yes sir you're an entrepreneur yes sir yeah you got all sorts of businesses trying to keep it yeah trying to keep it Yeah, when you came on in Dallas, you said you had seven businesses.

Yeah.

And I think four of them did over a million.

Yeah.

That's incredible, man.

All because of social media, right?

Yeah, thanks to social media.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think, what do you think of Zuck saying there's no more fact-checking, no more censorship on Facebook and Instagram?

I think they were biased to their fact-checking anyway.

So for, for, for, for many years,

I think Republicans or the conservative ideology got pushed down on Zuckerberg's

platform.

I think him removing the third-party fact checkers

is a great deal for free speech

on both his platforms because they can be pretty strict.

Because I've posted some things that's been true before.

But whoever did the fact checking said, well, this is not true.

And yeah, I've been penalized for that.

You got banned, right?

Yeah.

What was the reason they gave you?

Well, not following community rules and guidelines and policies is always the rules so whether that's uh harassment bullying uh

yeah uh and that's me using the n-word you know that's me using or having an argument with other black people using the n-word so uh i i've lost over two dozen instagram accounts yeah uh and probably well since the pandemic to now uh last year i lost eight alone holy crap yeah so right now

my instagram account is restricted where i can't go live for a whole year year.

Wow.

Yeah, I can't go live for a whole season.

Just because you said the N-word?

Yeah.

Yeah, it's tricky, I guess.

I mean, from a business point of view, I get it because they'll lose sponsors.

Yeah.

But on Twitter, you could say it right now, right?

Yeah, yeah, I get away with everything on Twitter.

Damn.

Yeah, I get away with everything on Twitter.

But when you look at all the violent videos that they post about black people, I mean, you see some of the most...

craziest fights among blacks people that that goes viral and they allow that to stay.

I don't promote violence.

I don't promote hate, but I don't talk no different than what the rappers talk in their rap lyrics.

And so they're allowed to put the videos.

They're allowed to, so yeah, they get a, they get a, the rappers get away with a lot.

They got an N-word pass.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, they get away with a lot.

They probably censor their lyrics, though, when you like upload it with the music, with the song.

They probably censor the N-word on the song, right?

No, they don't.

No, they don't?

No, they don't.

Oh, really?

No, they don't.

Wow.

Damn.

Yeah.

I guess it's all who you know with these platforms.

Yeah, I'm shadow banned on just about every Mark Zuckerberg platform.

Damn.

So you can type my name in and I probably still wouldn't come up.

I know.

Every time I try to tag you, it's like a fake page, dude.

Yeah, dude.

There are a lot of fake pages to get away with everything in the name of Charleston White.

Crazy.

A lot of money being made, scamming your fans, right?

Yeah, yeah.

Fans get scammed a lot.

What do they say?

Like, yo, I got a show tonight.

Give me some money or something.

Yeah, they post shows.

fake promotions as they do promotions.

They do bookings and don't show up playing like it's me.

Damn.

Yeah.

That sucks, dude.

Yeah.

Well, now they got Dana Way.

They just hired him as an advisor.

I think that'll be good.

I think so, too.

Yeah, I think that'd be good.

I do the G.

You might get into boxing, I saw.

Oh, yeah.

I've been trying to get a boxing match, man.

I had one set up, what, two years ago, got disqualified for mason a guy at the weigh-in.

And so, yeah, I'm trying to, yeah, I'm trying.

I'm on me a celebrity boxing match.

Yeah, you see that Connor McGregor, Loeb and Paul Money.

Yeah.

250 mil each.

Yeah, I seen it.

god damn i'm on in yeah you gotta get in on that you gotta go you gotta go to uh saudi arabia that's where the money's at oh i'm scared i might not return yeah yeah i'm scared

i'm afraid of muslim countries how come uh the rules are too strict and and yeah once once once you're detained and kept there's really nothing nobody could do i'm a little scared of dubai man i'm very afraid i got a friend that as soon as they landed got arrested because they said something on a podcast about dubai see that's what i'm saying in america i done said some horrible things about islam muslims in dubai yeah oh so you gotta be careful for sure yeah i would never go to a muslim country damn yeah these days you really got to be careful where you go yeah you know and because once this what i know i got a lot of rights in america yeah when i leave america i have very few rights as a human

so yeah i i want to stay where i'm safe and protected by rights Do you believe America is the best country in the world?

I still believe that wholeheartedly.

Really?

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah, we got a lot of rights here, a lot of them that most people don't have.

I agree.

You see a lot of people complain about it.

Then just move, you know?

Yeah.

If you're going to complain about it.

I've seen all those people say if Trump get re-elected, I'm leaving America.

They hadn't left yet.

Most of them didn't leave.

One of them left.

Oh, they did?

Ellen.

Oh, Ellen left.

Ellen left.

She's in the UK now.

Okay.

She's probably on some lists that are going to get released here soon.

Okay.

You know, Epstein list, perhaps.

Diddy's list.

Diddy list, maybe, too.

I'm looking forward to the list.

Yeah, I can't wait to see.

You're going to have a field day when those come out, man.

Well, I know between the two,

the two lists, there's been some very high-powered people attend both parties.

So, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, we kind of know who's been on the list at this point, I feel like.

We've seen it.

You know.

Yeah.

It's been rumored and speculated for over 10 years, over decades or longer.

And you saw who got paid by the Democratic Party to endorse.

You know?

Man, Puffy was a right-hand man to the Democratic Party, especially with the vote or die campaign he had.

So

most of them I didn't care about.

I was a little upset with the minem one dude oh yeah yeah when he supported kamala i was like yeah i was shocked by that i was shocked uh but i i found out that you know uh

they was paying a lot of money money talks they were paying a lot of money to celebrity that's what kind of bankrupt their campaign yeah man they paid a lot of money for celebrities just to endorse uh that movement if they offered you a million dollars what would you have done

a million to support kamala harris

nah

Nah,

come with a little bit more.

I love it.

Yeah, yeah.

Come with a little bit more.

And it would have been a vague support.

Yeah.

It would have been a vague support.

Yeah, I feel it's hard to turn down millions.

If people were in their shoes, they would probably take the money.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah.

And you see the money.

I've seen quite a few guys that was questionable.

And I said they had to have been paid.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Which one?

Applies.

Plaza.

The rapper plies.

I didn't see that one.

Yeah.

He, yeah, he had to have been paid.

It was too obvious.

Yeah.

It was too obvious.

Usher was weird too.

Yeah, Usher was weird.

Because the week before, he was saying, like, I'm not going to endorse anyone.

Yeah, Usher was weird.

Oprah got a million.

Beyonce them got a lot of money.

I bet.

Megan Thee Stallion got a lot of money.

Yeah, Sexy Red was weird to me.

That was weird too.

Yeah, that was real weird.

Sexy Red and Glorilla was real weird.

Sexy Red is like pretty intelligent, you know?

in terms of marketing.

Their music don't reflect political talk.

Sophie,

for them to even had sought after

their support said a lot.

I said they playing on color.

Yeah, they playing on color and culture.

So that's why they tapped into the rappers.

They tapped into the singers and the dancers

to use them to talk to a certain demographic of the culture.

And I think that's what caused them to lose.

Yeah.

Well, they still won that demographic, though.

I think 87% black black woman right and then 60 black male something like that yeah whatever matters to black men black men really didn't vote uh for kamala uh and that's who they were looking to blame for the loss yeah the next morning it was a lot of uh

female rappers uh cardi b for once uh you know blame black men for not voting for even obama was blaming black men yeah yeah they did that was a campaign they were trying to use to shame black men into voting for so yeah yeah it didn't work right at all i don't think uh it's gonna work in the in the future too nah uh

I don't see a woman being president for quite a while.

Really?

Yeah, I don't see a woman running America for quite a while.

Yeah, they're 0-2 now, right?

Yeah.

And that was a bad loss, dude.

That was like a landslide.

It was.

They would need somebody like Condoleezza Rice, I would say.

Yeah.

I mean, it's hard to find a good Democratic

representative right now, in my opinion.

Not a lot of them strike me as the brightest.

No.

They're too far left.

Yeah.

Have to come a little bit back more toward the center.

Yeah, they're too far left.

Way too far.

Because, dude, I grew up left.

I feel like I haven't changed that much.

Me too.

I just, just knowledge and information

kind of

changed my ideology.

But

my whole family is kind of left.

Still?

Still.

But when conservative, they're left with conservative principles, though.

When you look at how they live,

the things that they stand on, it's really conservative principle.

They just lean to the left for whatever reason.

But they're not far leftists.

Yeah.

They're not far left.

Well, they were programmed to think a certain way, right?

Watching the news every day, consuming the newspaper, whatever.

Yeah, I look at how I grew up and I was like watching the news just total brainwashed.

You know, I mean, it was nuts.

I didn't question anything.

Like, if I saw it on the news, it was fact.

Yeah, now

news is propaganda.

It's not real news.

Right.

It's propaganda being ran.

And even they're infiltrating alternative media.

So you got to keep your eye out.

There's certain podcasters being bought out now.

So you got to do your homework.

Yep.

I just did the Jeff Teague podcast, the

520, yeah.

So, you know, I made some joking comments about the NWA and Angel Reese, and they're on the verge of losing their sponsorships.

What?

Yeah.

For your comments?

Yeah.

Damn.

They took down the video.

It actually was a great

hour-long interview.

Damn.

But they took two a two-minute clip of that of that interview uh yeah wnba was threatening to pull their sponsorships they was calling for uh to to ban me counsel me yeah yeah the counselor closer came out that's crazy because you support the wnba uh

i support uh business in america no i think the w I think I think uh the WNBA uh sis is it is it's been around I think each year loses money so they don't make money

tens of millions yeah so they don't make money so in

in

in in the right business mind why continue a business that continues to fail

there has been a good amount of years now at this point and they're still losing money they're still losing money but i feel like with the new stardom it could change in the future uh with caitlin uh yeah i think caitlin had brought you know even angel reach but when you look at the two off off court uh it's no comparison.

Yeah, Caitlin's better for the brand.

You think so?

Yeah.

Yeah, because she's

yeah, but she's kind of like controlled in a way, dude.

I saw her interview with Forbes, I think, and it was like just like cookie-cutter answers.

Yeah.

You know, I feel like she might be getting told what to say.

I'm sure she is.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm sure she is.

And she has to act in a certain way.

Yeah.

She's facing a lot of, you know, people against her.

Yeah.

But, you know, it's a predominantly

gay culture

from what's not spoken.

So predominantly women in the WNBA are considered gay women.

And there are some women who are not, that's considered straight women.

And from what I hear and from what I read, the straight women are bullied

for being straight.

What?

Yeah, yeah.

Being straight?

I haven't heard that before.

I can't think of the young lady's name that

she retired early.

Retired?

What's a

Candice Owens?

Candace Williams?

Wiggins?

Yeah, she retired early because she said she couldn't continue on with the bullying from

Australia.

What?

That's so wild to me.

Yeah, me too.

Yeah, that doesn't happen in the NBA.

Nah.

Nah.

Not that we know of.

Yeah, sure.

Not that we know of.

God damn.

Yeah, we'll see if they can make it.

I like watching the clips, but NBA is better, obviously.

More excite, man.

Now, if they lowered the goal, where the ladies could dump,

probably come with some, you know, better uniforms, you know,

better uniforms, you know,

kind of bring a little sexiness to it.

I think it might do better, but yeah, yeah, looking like tall men,

nah, it should not.

What do you think of the modern NBA?

How their ratings are at an all-time low right now?

I think LeBron.

So, so I think players wanting to have a super team

kilt the NBA's excitement.

You know, one good player going to go get all the other good players and stacking the team up.

I think that killed the excitement of the NBA.

Super teams.

Yeah.

Yeah, I could see that.

I guess Jordan technically had one, though, right?

With Pippin and Rodman.

Rodman go get you almost 30 rebounds, no points.

Yeah.

Yeah, he go have 19 offensive, maybe 15 defensive,

maybe two shot attempts with no points.

Steve Kerr, Bill Cartwright.

Yeah, he had a super team, but they were role players.

None of them could go be

none of the people outside of Pippin could go to another team and change the whole dynamics of the team like Jordan could, LeBron could,

Kobe could.

Yeah, LeBron was cheating.

He was going to go get all the best players, go get the best forwards, the best point guards,

and winning championship.

Yeah.

Where do you rank him in your goat list lebron

uh top 10 not top five no man you got you got uh will chamberlain you got magic johnson uh

uh

gary payton uh

i mean you got some you got some man daryl dawkins man you got some names that could go you know in that top five that can be argued uh it's just that most of us hadn't seen him play but you know it's it's it's some names that

I believe go way before LeBron.

Yeah.

It was a different game back then.

I just saw Pippen on Patrick B.

David's show.

I think they averaged like 95 points in the 90s.

And now the games are scoring 130, 140.

Easy.

It's too easy now.

Everyone's so talented, right?

Yeah.

They just favor offense in threes.

That's it.

63 pointers a game.

No more big man that you.

Yeah, nah.

No shacks anymore.

No.

All the bigs are shooting threes.

Yep.

Victor Wembanyama is shooting threes.

Yep.

He's like Dirk Novinsky shooting threes.

Yeah.

So all your big man shooting from

the perimeter.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I missed the old days.

Is that your favorite era, the 90s?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, man.

Bad boys when Detroit had a run

long before Chicago was winning.

I remember seeing Magic play AC Green.

Yeah, yeah, no, the New York Knicks.

Yeah, Ewan and his crew.

So no, I mean, it was a whole different era during the 90s.

For sure.

Who was your team back then?

Between the Lakers and Chicago.

yeah you know we followed jordan all the way but the lakers i was a diehard magic fan yeah i was a diehard magic fan yeah if he didn't uh retire early he could have been the goat you know he had such a good career and then the incident happened yeah slept around man yeah i like supersonic uh yeah gary payton and yeah yeah them boys yeah hey i had a few teams i used to like i love that i just had payton on the show dude oh yeah yeah guys the legend i'll connect you guys

i think he's starting off i've seen gary payton i want to say was in nashville we see

Chattanooga.

Yeah, it was in Chattanooga about a couple of years ago.

Tennessee.

Yeah.

Love it.

What'd you tell him?

Oh, man, I was a big fan of his and fuck Michael Jordan.

I asked him.

He still don't like Jordan.

Nah, he still don't.

Which is, that's gone away from the sport these days.

There's no rivalries anymore.

Nah, no more.

The money's too good.

Yeah.

Like, it's not a personal thing anymore.

Yeah, nah, they had real rivalries back then.

But yeah, I asked him if he, because his coach didn't let him guard Jordan in the finals when they played.

So I asked him, Yo, if you guarded Jordan, would the Sonics have won that series?

And what did he say?

Yeah.

He said it would have gone to seven.

And the glove.

Yeah.

Yeah, the glove.

And put him on MJ, though.

Yeah, and he was a real defensive player.

Yeah.

He's one of the best defensive players of all time.

Yeah.

So you don't really see top shooting guards or top point guards play defense like how he played.

Nah.

Yeah, no.

No, there's no defense anymore.

Not at all.

You know?

How's your game?

You can shoot?

Oh, I used to could.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I took on an Alan Ivinson spirit.

So I was a young guy.

I was a little guy.

Let's go go to the rim.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah, I can go to the rim.

Let's go.

Do you play high school?

No,

I got locked up as a kid.

So I played all throughout my junior high years.

Okay.

Yeah, all throughout my junior high years.

You must have missed it when you were lost.

Yeah, I did.

Wow.

Basketball is my favorite sport, man.

Yeah, I saw you in the gym a couple of times.

Yeah, we got to play.

Yeah.

We'll have to run it two-on-two with someone.

Most definitely.

Let's go.

Most definitely, man.

You playing anything these days?

Any sports, video games, or anything?

No, no.

I got a PS5 to just sit up stars and collect dust.

Damn.

Or when my my homeboy kids come over, they play on it.

Yeah.

Yeah, you're filming, you're doing shows.

Yeah.

You're on the road.

And I run all my social media platforms.

So, yeah, between, you know, navigating through the different social media platforms, uploading videos, doing live, doing interviews, you have very little time for the video game.

Damn, you got to get someone helping you out on social media.

Yeah, I do.

You got to get someone posting.

Yeah, I got to get somebody.

You run all that yourself?

So you answer all the DMs yourself?

All that myself.

You probably get hundreds of DMs a day.

Yeah, a day.

Yeah, yeah.

So I normally, when i'm on the plane uh that's when i answer all the dms yeah when i'm traveling damn you get some haters

all the time yeah i get all kinds of in that dm i get all kind of

what's the craziest it's gotten has anyone like wanted to meet up with you or something uh no man uh uh

Yeah, I done had guys send me pictures of the peckers telling me to, you know, yeah,

yeah, yeah, I done had all the sentence.

Yeah, some shit, some deformed penises sent to me in the DMs.

And I kind of try to erase my brain from that shit.

Yeah, there's some sick motherfuckers online.

Oh man.

You be trolling too though.

Yeah, yeah, I do.

You gotta take some accountability.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, so, so, so the face, so about three or four days ago,

the fake Charleston White Facebook page posted as if my mother died.

Whoa.

Pray for me.

My mother just passed.

And my response to that video is, as mean as I am online, you guys really think I'm going to come and bear my pain to the world as much as I troll people.

That's the last thing that I would do.

Anybody know me, I ain't fit to go come to the internet and ask for no prayer.

Yeah.

Especially if my mother died.

So I can give you guys the ammunition and the fuel to troll me back.

Nah.

So me now, people calling my mom and everything.

Sass, hey, girl, they said you died.

But what are you talking to me on the phone?

What you talking about?

What's who said it?

So, yeah, it was a fake page on Facebook that it did it.

Oh, so they were trying to get donations, right?

I probably had a referral cost.

Yeah, yeah, probably so.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of those apology videos where people start crying.

Yeah, it feels disingenuous.

It is.

If you go live in the hospital saying, I'm sick, in my mind, you playing, you ain't sick because if you're really sick, well, you wouldn't go live.

Facts.

Yeah, people post their hospital visits.

I'm like, why would you want that?

Yeah.

People are going to send you bad energy.

Like, you're just looking for sympathy.

If I'm going through something in line, if I'm going through something in life, going online would be the last place I would look for support.

Facts.

Because I got a real support system.

So I'm not going to run and say, y'all, me and the wife having divorce.

I want you guys to pray for me.

That becomes fuel and ammunition to be used against you yeah 100

have you ever trolled someone so bad you felt bad afterwards oh

no

yeah yeah it's all for it's all for a game on the internet uh

i i

i typically troll people who i had an issue with yeah i don't just troll a random regular people yeah uh for the most part i think most people uh in the comment section online is ai robot they're fake yeah A lot of the

fake profiles.

I know this.

Yeah, the haters.

Because most of them, most of them are private accounts.

Yeah.

When you look, they have zero posts,

what, 12 followers?

Yeah.

And following a thousand people.

I say, oh, man, it's a fake person.

I've seen that too.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I typically ignore that.

Yeah.

Where's the line for you when you're trolling?

Like, do you have a line you won't cross?

Ain't no lines.

Yeah, when I'm trolling, ain't no lines.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I might make fun of the dead baby.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, I mean, I'm uh, there's no line

because it's not personal.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah, it's not, none of this is personal.

So I don't, uh, I don't personally attack people.

Uh, I just troll anybody.

So you don't take their attacks personally on you?

Not at all.

Really?

Yeah, no, not at all.

You never get mad or like pissed off?

Uh-uh.

Wow.

It's all fair game.

We're all on the internet.

And for the most part,

everybody's cyber bullying to a certain degree, especially if you're posting every day, if you're commenting every day.

No, I don't take none of it personal

because

I'm not waking up really angry.

If I'm mad at something, I'm playing like I'm mad.

If I'm bothered by something, I'm playing like I'm bothered.

And I know everything is about content creation.

So I have to be able to take it if I'm ditching it.

So yeah, I just find ways to take it and then give it back.

Damn.

Yeah, I find ways to take it and then give it back.

So I'm just as ugly as you are.

So whatever reflected to me, that's what I reflect back.

And so I learned early on that the internet,

it's an ugly world.

I came to be positive for the most part.

And I probably was attacked more and ridiculed more for trying to be positive than I am trying to troll and be negative.

Really?

Because the negative trolling eventually became entertainment for people.

So it's kind of like, you know, during the Coliseum days, you go watch a human fight a line and you cheer at the gore of it, you know?

So,

gee, I kind of reflect what's on the internet.

Wow.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's cool.

And you get your feelings hurt trying to be positive online.

Yeah, Mr.

Beast, look at him, man.

He was saving lives and people are hating on him.

They're going to eat you alive.

Yeah.

The trolling and negativity have become social media's greatest entertainment.

Yeah.

Well, people are just always going to hate because it's their own insecurities, right?

Yeah.

They're hating on themselves.

It's not even you.

At one point in time, I was the person over there hating.

I was financially struggling,

in between jobs.

a single dad.

So

me and the children, mothers was at odds with each other.

Had to move back in with mom to try to start saving money so when i got online i was a hater i hated motherfuckers because they could afford the hoverboard and there was a there was a time when uh they found a defect in the hoverboard which was causing fire i remember that yeah i was stupid motherfuckers that went and bought hoverboards i used to bash people who bought hoverboards i hated people that bought a lot of gifts because it shamed me as a father around christmas time i couldn't buy a bunch of gifts so i would be online saying christmas ain't gonna buy gifts so really reflecting what I felt on the inside by way of my social media posts.

100%.

That's what hate is, right?

You're just hating on yourself and you're letting it out there.

Yeah.

So I've been a hater online.

So I get it.

I love that you can admit this stuff because there's some people that would take that to the grave.

Yeah, I know.

Hey, I was a mean motherfucker when I was struggling financially.

I didn't like nothing.

That's why people like you, man.

You're so authentic and raw.

People would not admit this stuff.

Yeah, I used to boycott Thanksgiving, be hungry and a motherfucker all day just to have something to fight with.

Wow, because you couldn't afford it at the time.

Damn.

Yeah, just to have, I used to boycott Thanksgiving, man.

I ain't eating nothing on turkey.

This was a massacre holiday.

So I would just find negative about every holiday.

Yeah.

I had a guest come on, and her dad, she was a kid, and her dad turned down free Thanksgiving food because his pride and ego, they showed up to his house with food and they couldn't afford it, but he turned it down.

Wow.

You know, some people's pride is just so.

Oh, huh.

Yeah, I was one of them.

You would have turned it down at the time?

I have.

Yeah, yeah, I have.

You know, be struggling,

needing a turkey.

And, you know, they give it to me and I give it away.

Wow.

Needing Christmas toys,

play like I don't celebrate Christmas, so I won't have to accept the toy.

Wow.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's dangerous, right?

Because you want to have that confidence, but at the same time, it could destroy you.

Yeah.

There's that balance in life.

Yeah.

I'm glad I grew past it.

Yeah.

Seeing here, I had a bit of a problem, too.

If Trump offered you a position, would you take it?

Sure will.

What would you want to do for the government?

I want to speak to the black people for them.

What you can't say to them, just tell me what you want to be known, and then I go tell them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You got to have a certain,

it's kind of like what they was doing with the rappers coming to speak to the culture.

I could talk to both the educated and uneducated blacks and get my point across.

Yeah, so I would make a great spokesman for

a politician like Trump.

Let's go.

I'll try to make that happen for you.

I had his advisor on the show yesterday.

I'll connect you guys.

They just hired a few guys for that for Hollywood.

Did you see that?

No, I did.

Sylvester Stallone, a couple others.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, because Hollywood's been taken over.

So Trump just hired three guys.

He wants them to bring the old Hollywood back.

Yeah.

Because movies suck these days.

They do.

You know, I can't even watch it.

Yeah, they do.

It's not what it used to be.

All the programming and stuff.

Oh, a lot of liberalism

in it.

So, yeah, the Hollywood has gone far left.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Far, far left.

They paint the husband as an idiot on the movies and shows.

Yeah.

It's disturbing, dude.

Yeah.

No more real heroes coming out of Hollywood.

Nah, your kids are watching that and it's just brainwashed.

Yeah.

How do you control what your kids consume?

Stay in tune with what they're consuming because you can't stop it.

Even with your parental advisors, when they go to school, they're going to look at a friend's phone.

Yeah.

Engage them and talk to them about what they're consuming.

Try to be aware of what they're digesting with their ears and their eyes.

I love that.

Yeah.

Yeah, because it's inevitable.

They're going to get a phone somehow.

You can't just ban it, right?

When they hang out with their friends, there's always always gonna be one friend who don't have the the the parental supervision that your children may have so that friend is gonna be access to all the things you don't want your kids to have right yeah so if you have an open line of communication uh where your children feel comfortable talking to you engaging you uh as well as sharing uh what they think is secrets right uh with you yeah have them trust you right yeah How strict are you?

Because I know you had some issues growing up, right?

I used to be very strict

in the beginning

just to lay the law down.

But then I got to a point where

when my son started reaching the adolescent age,

I didn't know how to be a good father.

So not necessarily,

I didn't know how to be a good father for him

as an adolescent going to teenage years.

So we became friends.

Whoa.

Yeah, I became his friend.

That's interesting.

Yeah,

I became his friend.

Uh, and then we kind of grew up from there together.

Wow, that's a unique approach.

I haven't heard that before, yeah, you know.

So, I like 13, 14, yeah, because you went through some stuff around that age.

That's that's that's that's the age mom's mom lost me that adolescent age.

Uh, I had a great foundation as a kid.

I knew right from wrong.

I had manners.

Uh, I had a

religious belief system, prayed at night, pray over your food.

Yes, ma'am, no, ma'am.

But then when I started hanging with friends, uh

now i'm a little bit rebellious against what mom was was trying to teach me right uh and so i i wanted

i i wanted to interrupt the rebellious stage of the of adolescence smart so i knew i couldn't do that by playing dad yeah so we became buddies yeah because at that age you're just naturally rebellious i feel like you want to go against your parents' advice and I think partially because of school too.

Yep.

So I would find notebooks where my son was trying to rap.

And I was at that time was hating rappers.

Now, the worst thing I would want my kid to be is a rapper.

But

he'd been hearing me listen to rap music before.

So I read the type of lyrics that he was rapping, and it was the typical, you know, drugs.

Yeah, bitch, suck my dick, you know, type of, you know.

So yeah, nah, man, I was heartbroken because you got a little sister.

So I didn't want you, you know, developing this type of ideology towards your little sister.

So now I became his friend.

Because at that point,

growing up without a father,

man, I really didn't know how to be a good father or a bad father.

My goal was to be a present father, but I wanted to be an effective father.

I still wanted my son to see me as a hero.

So I had to find a fine balance.

He wanted to drop out of school.

Go on, drop out.

So I let him drop out

to show him that he really don't want to drop out because when he dropped out, I made him go get a job at my friend's mechanic shop.

So when he thought he was going to lay around in bed, I would wake him up at six in the morning.

He got to go to the mechanic shop and drop him off.

So I told him, there ain't nothing wrong with being a dumb mechanic.

Eventually,

talking to my mom, he wanted to go back to school, end up graduating,

tried to convince him to go to the military.

He wasn't interested in the military.

I tried to get him to become a police officer.

He ended up finding what he wanted to do.

But in the process,

I couldn't have done that playing dad.

I think I would have drove a wedge between us.

Wow.

Because I don't know nothing about being a father.

So I said, I'm going to make it my friend.

I'm going to be his best friend.

And then we'll grow from there.

So we still best friends to this day.

I love that, man.

That's respect.

Cause now he's going to be an even better father.

And then it continues on, right?

Yeah.

Son versus daughter, which one was more challenging?

Daughter.

Really?

Because you know what kind of guy you was.

She don't.

Yeah.

You know what kind of little boy you were growing up.

You know what kind of man you done being.

So

trying to rewrite your wrongs so your daughter don't have to suffer from any heartbreak or any harm you'd have never gave to a woman.

So, uh,

were you super protective?

Very, very protective.

Uh, but you become the bad guy being super protective because you don't allow them to spend the night at these places, you don't allow them to do this.

Uh, so I didn't, I didn't, I didn't want my fears to

govern my parenting.

Uh, I wanted

what I knew right and what I knew what was wrong to be the center of my parenting, not my fears.

And most guys' fears is that somebody going to do your daughter what you done done to other people's daughter, right?

So yeah,

I was very overprotective.

And so I would use my son to say, man, you're just responsible for your sister.

So make sure you look out for your sister.

So

now that was very,

that was a balancing act

for my daughter because you want to hide all your flaws.

Right.

as well as you're going to end up displaying them because you're in a relationship as well so uh i said something mean to my wife one time

not knowing that my daughter heard me

and they was getting ready to leave and they was coming down the stairs and they both had like this hurt expression on their face uh that that was a solid conviction that i had as a man I said, man, I got to do better.

I want to be better.

So my daughter was like the motivation for me to strive to be a better man in life, to be be a perfect gentleman amongst women so that's that's what really changed me as a man of my daughter i could have still been an asshole or uh yeah i i i i wouldn't have been the type of man that i am today if i had two boys

that girl changed everything about me from the inside out wow yeah i mean they say that about children it's like a mirror right it's a reflection of yourself yeah you learn a lot about yourself with children but now i i i wanted to be a i wanted to be a better man in the world when when my daughter was born so certain music uh you stopped listening to.

Yeah, my whole mindset, my whole inner man changed when I had a daughter.

I love that.

That's so cool, man.

Did you have to let go of that control eventually to keep that relationship?

Because she was probably bad starting.

Yeah, man.

So, you know, I started, she, in the beginning, gymnastics.

So, I would never, I wouldn't let her spend a night over none of her friends' house.

She did horseback riding lessons.

Then she started doing dance.

And so, when she started doing dance, she probably

nine, eight, nine, ten.

I started letting her kind of spend a night over some of over some of the over some of the over some of the friends house uh but yeah at first i wouldn't let her go nowhere yeah but my daughter graduated at 15 years old this past school year so this past may uh 2024 she graduated from high school she skipped three grades yeah she so she turned she turned 16 in august oh wow so uh she wants to go to the military Yeah, she wanted to go to the Navy.

How do you feel about that?

I want to talk her out of it.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, because first thing I said, man, they're going to be trying to fuck on my daughter, man.

Them motherfucking soldiers.

So, the first thing I thought,

but she was raised right.

She's very reserved, very conservative.

She's in beauty school right now, learning how to do hair nails and eyelashes and all of that.

So, she wanted to go to the military once she turned 17.

So, that's beautiful, man.

You did well.

You did well.

Two for two.

Great job, man.

Yeah.

Well, dude, where can people find your next shows and keep up with you?

Well,

we're at DC Comedy Loft this weekend, inauguration weekend.

Tonight, doors open at five.

Show starts at six.

After that, I think we're in Plano, Texas.

Then we go from Salt Lake City, Utah, up there with the Mormons.

Man, Oklahoma, Raleigh, North Carolina.

We got New York,

Buffalo, New York.

Man, I got a whole list.

I remember your first show.

Yeah.

A couple years ago.

So, man, I got dates that covers all the way to what, August right now.

Let's go.

Yeah, so I headlined my own tour called the underground railroad comedy tour uh tapping back into the heart and the history of america perfect uh and just looking to unify people man with with with uh i call it black love unifying everybody uh but a mixture of satire comedy and and conscious comedy that's golf uh for for good laughter uh bringing back the old america and i do believe america was great at one point in time i grew up in the 80s and all i know is great memories we'll bring it back baby we'll link your site below thanks for going on again dude appreciate your brother always always Pleasure.

Check him out, guys.

Peace.