Is Elon Musk the Savior of Innovation? | David Rubin DSH #1137

Right.

And I was like, why didn't you say that on camera?

That was the most interesting thing you said, but you waited literally till the cameras went off to say,

well, she can't admit it.

I mean, she's running for office on the left side, right?

So I guess I can.

This is what they've done.

It's basically like a giant game of Russian roulette.

They're all just waiting to shoot each other because nobody really has a good idea over there anymore.

Yeah.

All right, guys, in DC with Dave Rubin, part two.

Thanks for coming back on, my friend.

Yeah, well, I just want to talk basketball and video games.

Yeah.

I mean, I know there's some kind of political event happening here, but hopefully we can do that.

Yeah, I'd much rather talk hoops.

When Sage came on yesterday, we talked hoops in life.

We didn't even talk politics.

Nice.

She's something, right?

Like, she is just...

Is that the first time you met her?

We met at Amfest briefly, Charlie Kirk's event.

Yeah.

Yeah.

First time to sit down with her.

And wow, she's very impressive.

Yeah.

Well, you know, she came from mainstream media.

Now she's one of us.

Yeah.

Similar to you, right?

You're in longer than her now.

I know, right?

She was asking me for podcast advice.

I'm like, Sage Steele is asking me for media advice?

You know, it's funny when I saw you last time, which is just like two months ago or so in Vegas, you said to me before we started taping, you were like, oh, Dave, you know, you're one of the OG YouTube guys.

And now you're a veteran compared to someone like Sage Steele from mainstream media.

That's how fast the times happen.

It happens quick, man.

Yeah, because I've only been potting for two years, but I guess that's considered a veteran to some people.

And you're still alive.

Yeah, I'm still alive.

They didn't take you out yet.

No, I'm still here, man.

But you recently had a shooting contest with Stephen A.

Smith.

Yes.

I beat Stephen A.

Smith in a shooting.

Wow.

That's how we should be framing this thing.

So I had him on my show, which we had a great conversation.

And, you know, he's he's just an interesting guy on multiple fronts because, you know, obviously on this.

First off, anyone that talks like this and everything that he says sounds like the most important thing.

You know, so like, there's just that part of him and just like the TV personality side that's just so freaking huge.

But then also seeing the guy kind of be more outspoken about politics and wake up to a lot of the stuff.

We definitely don't agree on everything.

And we had a little push and pull, but the entire time I really just wanted to get him on my court and shoot around a bit.

And I don't know if you saw, he did a contest on

Kenny.

And he beat him.

He beat him, but Kenny shot Lefty.

So Kenny's all right.

He shot Lefty, but whatever.

Still.

So we got him out there and we did a quick shooting contest.

It was whoever hit five shots first.

And I did beat Stephen A.

Wow.

And I think.

Free throws or threes?

It was free throws.

I wanted to do threes, but he's 57.

He said he's not shooting as many threes, but I've got a pretty banged up shoulder anyway at the moment, which I just did some peptides for and some other stuff.

So I was probably not going to shoot my best threes anyway.

Well, well done.

Beating Stephen A.

Smith.

That's Bragging Rice right there.

I have to beat a real NBA player, though.

It's one thing to beat a broadcaster.

Right.

But like, I got to be.

Well, he used to be a Hooper, though.

No, I think he played in college.

He played D1 and he got injured.

He might have made it far.

Who knows?

I'm trying, you know, he moved down to Florida, so I'm trying to get him in my old man basketball

thing that I play.

And so we'll see if we can.

Everyone's moving out there, man.

Sage is out there now.

Sage just moved down.

He can't, I mean, everybody and their brother.

And now, you know, with all the LA fires and everything, it's just we're going to get another influx of people.

So Florida just continues to boom and explode.

Yeah.

I saw you've been going at Newsom on X pretty hardcore.

The guy is just evil.

I don't know how to phrase it any other way.

If everything that you do in your career just turns to shit, at some point, if you don't look in the

mirror and basically be like, maybe I had had something to do with this, like his bank account always goes up, his properties always have more value.

But, you know, what he did to San Francisco as mayor, there's a great video, if you haven't seen it, around 2008 as mayor of San Francisco, him laying out his 10-year plan to get rid of homelessness.

And it's like, well, it's...

2025 right now.

You've now become governor of California.

San Francisco is ground zero for homeless in America.

And California is ground zero as a state for homelessness.

So everything the guy touches just becomes worse.

And yet, somehow, I guess because he's got slick hair,

he just hangs around.

There's a certain look to him that is, and it's hard to explain, but it kind of feels weird, right?

Well, it feels creepy, doesn't it?

It's funny because

people will be like, he looks like he should be president.

It's like, well, he looks to me like a psychopath.

If you saw American Psycho, he is Bateman.

I forgot.

Not Jason Bateman.

What was the guy who was like, Christian?

No, well, it was Christian Bale was the actor.

What was Bateman's name in

American Psycho?

Somebody, what was his first name?

That more often.

Someone will get it.

We got all these people out there.

We got four people.

These guys got phones.

What do we got?

What was his name?

Not Spencer.

It was

not Norman.

That was what you're thinking.

Patrick Bateman.

Oh, Patrick.

Yeah.

He's thinking Norman from

Psycho.

Yeah, yeah.

Which is kind of similar too, actually.

Yeah.

It's not so.

You see Callie getting, what, billions for homelessness?

And then it's worse.

Well, because the point is, throwing money at things.

I mean, this is what the average Democrat or the average liberal these days, they think if you just throw money at things, that that's the solution.

Like, oh, we have an education problem.

Throw money at at it.

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Oh, we have a homeless problem, throw money at it.

We have a mental health problem, throw money at it, et cetera, et cetera.

It's like, no, money is good, but it's only good if it's used in a proper way.

And they never want to think about that, right?

So they're very good at like, oh, take from rich people.

We want more of their stuff.

And it's like, okay, that you can maybe make an argument for that.

It's not an argument I make, but you can make an argument for that, let's say.

But then it's like, you got to do something proper with the money.

And that's where they fail, because then they usually just hand the money to organizations or institutions that are no good, largely staffed with DEI people or that are just, that have their own agenda.

And then you see what happens.

It's like, it's not surprising that the Palisades went through this fire.

Clear out the brush.

They don't want to do it for environmental purposes.

How about you make sure that you don't let illegal immigrants in who are going to be arsonists, which now they're finding out that several of these fires were set by illegals.

I didn't see that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it's like, there's, there's lots of ways.

Look, you can't stop acts of God.

I live in Florida.

We get hit by hurricanes, right?

There are places that get hit by earthquakes.

You can't stop acts of God.

But what you can do is do the best you can around it.

And if you're in Cali right now and you think this is the guy to do the best around a disaster, I don't know.

Well, over a million people signed that petition.

So there's a lot of people that are frustrated.

A million people did it last time, too.

Have a million people already signed it?

The one that's going on?

I think so.

Wow, that's incredible because, you know, he was recalled during COVID.

And Larry Elder, who's a good buddy of mine, he campaigned and I campaigned with him.

And it's like, if Larry was governor right now, I just have no doubt things would be better.

So, you know, how many times do Cali people like, you know, it's like they get smacked and then they go, thank you, sir.

Make all that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I totally agree with you, though.

Taxing the rich, I don't think that works because, like you said, it's how you spend the money.

Yeah.

Well, look, you live in a place, Vegas, where there's no personal income tax.

And because they create the economic conditions for success, I mean, I was, I haven't been to Nevada in a while, but I was so impressed with Vegas.

And when I went to Reno, also, I'm like, it's not like it's all perfect.

I'm not saying it's all perfect.

And obviously, you got your own struggles there and they have their own issues, but you can see people are coming here to build.

And that's what you want to do.

You want to bring in people that know how to do things and then let them create goodness, as opposed to just, oh, God, those billionaires and

take their cash and stuff like 15% stuff.

15%, man.

No, no, no.

But I mean, but then you throw on the federal income tax.

I mean, Trump's talking about the external revenue service now.

That's exciting, right?

Let's get rid of the IRS, please.

How about just a flat tax?

I mean, that's what I wrote about in my first book.

Steve Forbes, who ran for president from Forbes magazine, you know, he ran for president 20 something years ago.

How about a flat tax?

Figure out what the number is: 12% for everybody.

The rich people are still going to pay the most because it's just flat for everybody.

And then you could still throw the progressives a bone.

You want to throw them a bone.

How about if you make under 50, you pay no taxes.

And if you make over whatever it is, pick the number five mil a year, you're ticked up like 3%.

But basically so that 99.9% of Americans just pay the same 12%.

And then literally the tax code is a page.

Yeah.

Like these aren't rocket science ideas, although it might take a rocket scientist like Elon to make them happen.

Yeah, because right now the tax code is hundreds of pages.

It's like.

Yeah.

Hundreds of pages.

And then they always get angry, you know, and they'll be like, and Donald Trump didn't pay any income tax or Elon paid, but it's like, dude, don't be angry at, you know, don't hate the player, hate the game.

For real.

Have you been following the Tate versus Ben Shapiro drama?

A little bit on Twitter.

I'm trying to dip out of like the interpersonal stuff all of the time.

Look, there's something weird going on with a certain segment of the right embracing Tate.

I'm not that versed in all of the things that he's done or alleged to do.

I know there's some videos out there.

I know that the media goes after people unjustly.

So I can't really speak to all of the specifics.

But I think there is a little bit of an issue with the people on the right.

And I think maybe Ben was talking about this, where it's like, if anyone starts kind of being on the right, they just kind of go all in on, oh my God, we have our new Jesus.

And I think that that's kind of what Ben is warning about.

And I sense that that's right.

But if you want to share a little bit more about what's going on, I'm not sure.

No, Ben was just attacking him for his previous stuff.

I don't know too much too, but

there's just a lot of internal fighting right now on the right.

I know.

I don't notice, right?

So the reason I'm trying to dip out of it right now is, you know, I consider myself now, still, I consider myself someone that's kind of new to the right.

So, I'm always just like, hey, I'm in somebody's new home.

Right.

And then all these people are coming in, and I'm just trying to welcome everybody.

Like, oh, you guys welcome me.

Could I just bring in more people and let's see what we can work on here?

So, I really try to stay out of the fights because there's a much bigger fight.

We just won the biggest fight, right?

I mean, Donald Trump's going to be president in two days.

That's pretty great.

So, like, how about we focus on that for a little bit rather than

whether it's Tate versus Ben or

this, that, or the other one.

It's like, guys, do you think America is good?

Do you think capitalism is good?

Do you want to live in a country of people that maybe look differently from you or think differently?

If you do, then we can work through this.

So I'm trying to dip out of that.

Smart move.

But that might be just because I've been in this game a long time.

You should get in some fights.

You should be fighting.

You're young, man.

It's good for views, but I'll.

I'll like moderate debates.

I myself do not want to be debating people, to be honest.

Yeah.

Listen, I get it.

Because once you go down that path too, especially in our game, then people see you as someone to attack.

Once you're in the fight game, then everyone else is like, this is someone I can fight with.

And then it all just becomes fighting, right?

So it's like, you can either be in that or you can try to be a little bit above the fray.

It might cost you some clicks and everything else, but you also have to decide.

Yeah, because I want productive conversations.

Like sometimes I'll watch Pierce Morgan's show and it'll be just people yelling at each other.

I'm like, how is this productive?

You know?

Did you see me in that?

I saw you against, was it Jank or was it

Jank?

Yeah.

Well, Jank does that on every episode.

It's not too much.

What an utter, you know, I don't like talking about him because it's just so ridiculous, but like just embarrassing.

When I ended that show,

I was like, man, if imagine what it would be like to be his wife or his son and watch this sweaty, psychotic buffoon screaming.

And, you know, I kept saying to him, man, just give me one thing that you think I say that I don't believe.

And he just couldn't.

Actually, it was right before Christmas.

The one he said, well, you think that uh gay people shouldn't be firefighters in Cali now obviously I was talking about DEI in the fire department and then look what happened in California just weeks later so it's like these people they just they just have nothing and that's why they're screaming all the time I think he does it on his show because I've had him on here and he he's total opposite yeah super calm not raising his voice at all yeah so I think he just does it on Pierce's show well you know it's also like you know it's a it's all of this is a little bit of theater to some extent right like like you're very natural as an interviewer so like if the mic wasn't here, we'd be talking the same way, but it would be like 5% different, right?

Like it's just, it's just how it is.

We know we're being recorded right now.

But when I used to be on the Young Turks, one thing that I was amazed by was that he would be on air screaming.

I mean, throwing shit all over the place, sweating, like spitting, literally would be spitting on me.

It was gross.

It was disgusting, gross, angry.

And then they'd cut to break and they'd be like, so what are you having for lunch today?

Like, like to be able to do that thing is, is, you know, it's a skill, I suppose.

It is.

Yeah.

I feel like this all started with the h-1b drama and then just spiraled into all this different fights but i'm just you know yeah well even the h-1b i i sat out that one i was like i'm just not doing this on christmas week i'm like i have off for a week i'm playing with my kids i'm just not gonna fight about this visa thing guys we Trump's not even president yet.

Yeah.

Is what you really want right now to start the America, you know, the America first fight versus the tech bro fight.

For real.

But I can tell you, I was at Teal's party last night.

So it was all the tech bros and JD was there and Ted Cruz was there, and Mike Johnson was there.

Everybody's okay.

It's going to be okay.

I saw the Winklevoss brothers were there with Zuck.

So did they interact with you?

I saw Zuck.

I did not see the Winklevoss brothers.

Oh, they weren't there?

No, no, no.

They were there.

I just didn't see him.

I was told that they were there.

Yeah.

I watched the Facebook documentary.

So that whole story is nuts.

Yeah.

Was there a the movie or was there a Doc Settle?

Ah, the movie.

The movie.

Yeah, the movie.

That's about how basically he kicked them out and they sued him.

But the fact that they're all together now.

And it seems like Trump's repairing a lot of bridges.

Yeah.

Look, I mean, this Uckerberg thing, it's like, do you trust him?

What do you think about this evolution?

I think he's just taking, like, you know, taking advantage of the moment.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think so too.

However, I will say, sometimes you can work with that type of person, right?

Like, he's doing it for his own interests, but that's how people operate, right?

Your own sort of self-interest.

But okay, so you did a lot of shit wrong.

He didn't, I would have liked to have heard an apology when he was on Rogan.

He never said, I'm sorry about any of this, or I also would have liked it for him to give the names of of some of the people.

Well, he was like, you know, they were calling us from the government and yelling at us and it was brutal.

It's like, wow, that's interesting.

Who called you?

I'd like to know that person's name because that person should be in trouble.

Someone from the government calling a private company to silence people.

But that aside, it's like, if he's coming this way right now, it's like, to me, you don't try to burn him down in the process.

I'm not saying he's perfect.

I'm not even sure he's a human.

I mean, the guy's like part robot, right?

But like, if he's coming around, you try to work with that.

Agreed.

Yeah.

I mean, he provides a lot of value with his platforms over 2 billion users.

Crazy.

Are you going to follow him into the metaverse?

Do you have one?

Do you strap that?

I bought the quest.

I used it once.

Yeah.

And I was like, I'm over it.

I have one.

I used Beat Saber once.

I was like, I don't know.

I can hit somebody with a stick in real life.

It's not there yet.

Maybe with our kids as they grow up.

I'm good with just regular old movies.

Even that, though, don't you think?

It's just part.

How old are you getting?

27.

27.

So like your kids are going to be in that world.

Basically, whether you like it or not, there's going to be no way to stop it.

And that's a messy thing.

I remember when I was playing video games, I remember when 8-bit Nintendo came out, 1985, and suddenly I was inside playing video games all day.

And my dad's yelling at us, get back outside, get back outside.

But you weren't addicted in that sense because it was just you and your friend in that room.

And at least there was some direct social connection there versus now with just, you know, the freaking audio strapped on and you're screaming at people.

And it's a whole other world.

I've picked up a couple video games since our last episode.

Yeah.

I'm playing Call of Duty now.

Call of Duty.

And there's a new one called Marvel Rivals.

Have you seen that one?

No, no, no.

It's pretty fun.

I like co-op.

If I could do co-op, yeah.

Yeah.

How crazy is the 3D situation?

I told you, I can only.

It's very crazy.

It's crazy.

You got Spider-Man jumping off buildings.

You got Iron Man flying at the bottom.

The producer is right here.

I will do some kind of online game with Sean.

I will do something and we will put it online and you will coach me through

probably Fortnite because I'm decent up there.

That's where you're going to throw me right into that.

Something, something like, let's ease in.

You know what I mean?

I'm trying to think of a game that you can ease in because they're all so

advanced now, all the new games.

It's like.

Even myself, because there's teenage kids that play Fortnite.

All the best Fortnite players are like 13.

That's how you are.

You're aging out.

Yeah, I'm aging out at 27.

Isn't that nuts?

Yeah, you taking fish oil or something?

No fish oil.

I might get on the peptides.

I have to eat it for the fingers.

I know.

I just did peptides for one this week.

I mean, I don't know that I've felt anything yet, but my shoulder's really been hurting from basketball and I think lifting the kids.

And, you know, peptides are not legal, actually, for human use in America.

Yeah, absolutely band them, right?

Right.

So you, well, basically, you can get peptides, but it's, you have, it's for research purposes.

But then you have to inject yourself, you know, with basically like an insulin shot.

And I've done it a couple of days, and we'll see, we'll see what happens.

But that's the type of thing that I saw Bobby Kennedy a week ago, and he's really going to work on that kind of stuff.

Yeah.

He wants peptides.

He wants peptides.

He wants to open up more research around stem cells and make it more

accessible.

And that's like, that's good use of the government.

Like, oh, there are ways.

I have a friend,

you probably know him, Dennis Prager, who is, you know, the legendary Dennis Prager.

And he had a slip, a fall, and he's hurting right now and in a very tough recovery.

And it's like, there are things that can help him that are not quite legal right now.

And it's like, what right does the government have to say, oh, you, you have some major medical problem.

We're just not going to allow you access to this, even experimental drug.

You know, if you have autonomy over your body, that's what I believe.

So

hopefully they change some of that.

Yeah, even stem cells, like they're not a strong.

Yeah, you know, you got to go to like Costa Rica or Mexico if you want the strong.

I'm in Florida.

Everybody goes to Panama.

Oh, Panama?

Yeah.

Yeah.

We might partner with Panama, right?

It's looking good there.

We might get the canal.

We're going to get Greenland.

It's all very good.

A lot of good stuff happening, you know?

I don't know if I want Canada now.

There's too many jihadists there.

And I don't want to live in the same country as Trudeau.

Yeah.

If they boot Trudeau, then I would consider it.

Well, he resigned, right?

He's landing.

Yeah, but I mean, they have to kick him out of the country.

I just can't live in the same country as Trudeau.

Yeah.

mean, we already have Newsome.

I can only take one of these two.

Yeah.

Newsome might run in 28, man.

If this doesn't irreparably damage the guy, I don't know what will.

I mean, he's come back from so much, I wouldn't be surprised.

But it's like if anyone just honestly looked at the guy's track record and then you were like, boy, look at San Francisco.

Is it better or worse?

It's obviously worse.

Look at Cali.

Is it better or worse?

It's obviously worse.

Yes, let's make him president.

So hopefully we're beginning to see the end.

But yes, I put nothing past.

They don't have many options, man.

No, they don't.

Maybe Mark Cuban.

I had Marianne Williamson on yesterday.

She's, she's not bad, in my opinion.

She's not bad, but she's not, she's not going to be president of the money.

She was saying attacks the rich.

That was like our biggest disagreement that doesn't work.

Well, she's,

you know, I've had her on and I have some differences with her.

And, you know, she's like, well, she's one of these people that she pushes a lot of the tax the rich stuff.

Yeah.

And then when I've been with her off-camera, like, I don't even think she fully believes it.

I think it's just kind of.

First time I had her on, she was talking about getting the vaccine and then off-camera as soon as it ended.

She's like, do you think I should should have gotten that?

Like, what's, you know, what's your opinion on that?

How do you deal with that when someone's different off camera?

Because that's one of the things that has been tricky for me.

I lose a little respect for them, to be honest, because I feel like I'm pretty similar on camera, off-camera.

But if they're like a total 180, I'm like, you know, it doesn't feel authentic to me.

The first time, I think I've had her on my show once, it was in my studio, and she was going on and on about a lot of the stuff about tax the rich.

And I swear to you, the second the show ended, she said, she said, you know, I really do get a lot of your libertarian stuff and I get more hate from the left than I ever do from the right.

And I was like,

why didn't you say that on camera?

That was the most interesting thing you said, but you waited literally till the cameras went off to say that.

Wow.

Well, she can't admit it.

I mean, she's running for office on the left side, right?

So I guess I'm not.

This is what they've done.

It's basically like a giant game of Russian roulette.

They're all just waiting to shoot each other because nobody really has a good idea over there anymore.

So it's basically like we're all hostages.

It's like 10 people all with guns pointed to somebody's head, and they're all just waiting for somebody to shoot first, pretty much.

And the left is known for paying certain people to push agendas.

Oh, yeah.

I'm doing Piers Morgan tomorrow with this Harry Sisson kid.

Oh, you are?

Yeah, I was going to bring him up.

And he was allegedly exposed for getting payments.

Forgetting payments.

I don't even, it's like, okay, fine, you're getting payments, but it's also like to be so young and be so sold out and misguided is very strange to me.

It's like, dude, you're, you know, six months ago, he's screaming that Joe Biden is mentally healthy and ready to go.

And then they get rid of Biden, then he completely changes his tune that the Kamala is the hero.

And then it'll be something else.

And it's like, it's no way to, like, I get it.

He's got some cash now and he's got some notoriety and that must feel good at 19 or whatever.

But dude, that's no way.

Like your reputation and your honor and prestige is way more valuable as you get older.

So, okay, it might be, it might be burning hot for him to a degree right now, but that doesn't last very long.

It's going to be interesting to see how he pivots with the TikTok ban with how Dean Withers pivots because TikTok's gone now.

So well, we'll see what happens.

I think Trump maybe is going to give it a 72-hour reprieve or something.

And then they'll try to, I heard that, what's his name?

Mr.

Wonderful might buy it or something.

Kevin O'Leary.

That would go.

I don't know.

I mean, I'm very conflicted about it.

I don't use TikTok myself.

My social media guy uses it.

And when he came on board, I said, look, I don't want it on my phone.

And I said, I'm hiring you, but.

I'm not going to force you to do it.

He said he wanted to do it.

So we are on TikTok.

But the simple truth is we know that it basically is a Chinese spy app.

At the same time, most of our apps are American spy apps or some other version of some kind of spyware, right?

So I don't know what the best solution to this is,

but empirically, we do know that young people's brains, either via propaganda from China or from just the general brain rot of scrolling.

Young people are being destroyed, destroyed, like not only the gender stuff, but literally everything.

Their brains, because of the way it is wired to basically destroy your attention span and everything else.

So that is a problem.

So we should think about that, whether that means taking out TikTok or not.

Yeah.

I'm not sure how it's.

They call it doom scrolling.

You know, doom scrolls.

Doom scrolling for hours.

Yeah.

Well, you know, the doom scrolling thing is interesting because, you know, that I think we talked about this last time.

The internet used to end.

Like you used to go to a website in the old days.

You would go to cnn.com and you could just scroll to a point and then it would be open.

You'd be like, that's all we got.

And then there was the guy who created Infinite Scroll and that, and then Tumblr started using that and everything else.

And the guy, I wish I could remember his name, but the guy who created Infinite Scroll basically was like, man, I opened a Pandora's box from hell.

Wow.

Because once you had Infinite Scroll, it became Doom Scrolling.

So even think about how many times you've done this.

I try not to do it anymore, but I used to do it.

I tweet something, right?

And I get.

10,000 retweets and 20,000 likes and 99% of the comments are good or funny.

But then I just start looking for the negative one.

You know, it's just, you literally, you're just going and going and going to the pit of hell to like find something.

And that's what doom scrolling is.

So now you, you have, so now imagine handing that to a 12-year-old whose brain's not fully formed.

They're seeing all kinds of wacky shit that they shouldn't see at their age.

All this stuff, I don't even know what half this stuff is, like all this tactile stuff.

They're just watching videos of things being smushed and popped, all this weird stuff on top of the porn and like all of, and then you wonder why these kids are confused and antisocial and nervous and neurotic and all that.

It's like, yeah, not rocket science.

I mean, I'll say this.

I love free speech, obviously, but on X, if you're not careful with your feed, you could see some wild stuff on X.

Oh, yeah i mean well look that's i would my preference always is that should be on you and then by extension that should be on the parent so i want as much stuff that is legal to be out there of course i'm not looking for these companies to censor yeah but that doesn't mean you just and we'll all deal with this to some extent like i got two-year-olds now who are starting to want to look at my phone wow and we don't want to let them do that we don't really they watch bluey that's it we're not letting them on youtube to just do all that stuff but you you see how quickly a two-year-old can suddenly start manipulating and realizing how to move around the screen and all of that stuff.

So that's another thing.

Like when you have kids, like they are going to be thrown right into that world.

But I would say that's mostly on the parent.

I don't want the corporations or the government to decide what all that information is.

It's up to you as the parent, but that's tough because then your kid goes to school and their parent and all their friends' parents have already.

lost the game.

They've conceded.

And now you're going to be the one parent that's not letting your kids on that stuff.

And that's tricky, but that's also why you know homeschooling's booming and all that yeah i'm i think i'm gonna homeschool or do like a nice private or like something interactive school yeah are you married married married this year married this year congratulations are you guys moving on the kid thing quick next year yeah yeah i really want kids man yeah get going yeah get going my i really only have one regret in life which is that i didn't become a father until 46.

wow so you got 20 years on me on that and it's like now when i play basketball i'm like man i got to stay in shape for another 15 20 years so that i can do this with all my kids now.

You know what I mean?

So you have 20 years now to- Yeah, they gave you that additional sense of purpose.

Was that intentional waiting that long?

Or was it you were just like, well, first off, I'm married to a man.

So that makes it a little more, that makes it a little more complex.

No, no, it was like a series of things, partially that, because there's obviously biological issues that make it a little more complex.

But also, I put so much into my career and all that kind of thing.

But it's funny because I have friends now.

I have friends now that have kids that are like 28, 29, you know, so that's wild.

I have two-year-olds and yet my best friend, since I'm four years old, has like a 24-year-old.

That's a huge, huge gap.

Yeah, that's interesting.

Yeah, I kind of want to time out.

My best friend just had a kid, so I think it's cool to see them grow up together with your friends.

There's just no reason not to.

You're still going to have your life.

You're going to still do your podcast.

Yes, it's going to change some things, but it...

it widens your world in a way that just can't be explained.

Yeah, gives you another perspective.

Elon's got, I think, 12 or 13 now.

He's riding.

He could have five more by the time we we finish.

I know.

That guy's got a lot of.

Shout out to Elon.

He's dealing with a new lawsuit, SEC, coming after him again, man.

It's so evil.

It's so evil.

You know, the number one thing with Elon is if you...

If you, if for no other reason than climate change, now I don't believe in climate change in the way that climate change is framed.

I do believe that humans can do more to make the environment better and everyone wants clean air and water and all that stuff.

But for the type of people that, you know, think everything comes down to climate change, it's like, why would you be going after the guy who not only is doing the electric cars, but is also trying to make life interplanetary?

So if there was real shit here, if we end up in an interstellar moment when we can only eat corn for a while and then the corn's gone too, it's like, maybe you should stop attacking the guy who's literally trying to get us to other planets, the guy who's...

who has the boring company, which is building underground tunnels to get cars off the roads in Los Angeles.

The guy who is putting implants into people's brains so the paraplegics can play chess.

It's like, stop, but this is what they do.

People who don't create hate creators.

That's how it is.

It's just jealousy.

It's human psych 101.

And the timing of it was nuts.

Right before they leave office, they give them a fat lawsuit.

No, of course.

And it won't go anywhere.

It won't go anywhere.

It's sort of like the Trump stuff.

They create all of these obstacles.

And I think Elon is smart enough to know he knew what he was walking into with this.

Like the day after Trump almost got assassinated when Elon was like, I'm going all in.

He knew what the machine was going to do.

But look, we're right now 48 hours out from Trump being president.

So the machine did an awful lot and here we are.

Exciting times.

Yeah, I agree with you on climate change.

When I was growing up, they really pushed that global warming stuff and it like stuck with me as a kid.

I'm like, climate change is real.

Like, you know, it's getting warmer.

Look, without even getting into the climate change debate, you can do stuff in your own life to feel better about what you do.

So you can recycle.

There are things you can do.

But if you think that by us completely rejiggering our economy or doing AOC's Green New Deal or any of these things, that that's going to affect the environment, it's psychotic.

And also if you think that the progressives, who can't do anything really, that they can't fix any economic problem, they can't seem to build things.

They burn down cities, like all this stuff, but they will fix the environment.

On top of the fact that China is building, I think, 200 coal plants a year or something like that, India is going through their industrial revolution.

What right do we have as the United States of America to tell India with how many billion people, no, don't do what we did 50 years ago so that your people can flourish?

And also, if you don't want fossil fuels, well, you're going to freeze a lot of people.

That's just absolutely the truth right now.

So we could do more with solar.

We could do more with nuclear, although they don't like nuclear very much.

But yeah, they bludgeoned.

I mean, you definitely got bludgeoned with it.

I was, when I was growing up, it was like just starting to get bludgeoned with it, but I think I escaped like a middle portion of it.

I was full-on a believer.

I was brainwashed, to be honest, for years, global warming.

Like it really stuck with me.

And then when you actually look into recycling, man, that's a rabbit hole.

Oh, well, I mean, recycling is basically you feeling good about that garbage can.

You know what I mean?

That's pretty much what it is.

It's like you got your regular trash and you're recycling.

You put it in a bag, you put it in a different color thing, and then they pretty much just put it in the same spot.

And you're like, I do feel good.

I saved the environment.

Think about if they actually recycled it, how good it would be, but they don't.

Some look, some places are better than others.

I'm in Florida where it's notoriously not particularly good when it comes to sorting.

I think some places are better.

But you also have to keep in mind.

The trash business, I mean, did you ever watch the Sopranos or Mafia Mafia things?

Like the trash business is a, no pun intended, is a dirty business like they're probably not the most environmentally conscious people and somebody's got to do the work so if you don't want the trash piling up you probably have to leave it to some people that are going to do whatever with the garbage and just kind of accept it it's just it's just true you still on the carnivore diet mostly pretty much mostly yeah and it's been great i just saw paul saladino talk about it it looks like an interesting diet um

for me i i think i told you i had alopecia i lost huge amounts of my hair um i just did my energy levels were low like I just was not feeling right.

And I've been doing it for about two years, largely because of, because of Jordan Peterson.

I feel better at 48, and I'm in better shape at 48 than I felt probably when I was 35.

Wow.

Yeah.

I mean, I'm, when I'm playing ball, like, I play as hard as I can.

I'm not as fast.

48, you're not as fast as 25.

Like, I don't jump as high.

I can do a lot more now.

You know, it is, that's one of the funny things in life.

Like, you know, when you watch like the old veteran and he like do all these moves.

And it's like, because you couldn't do, you can't jump over people anymore, which is why I liked watching Jordan in the later years actually more than in the early years.

In the early years, it was just obvious.

It's like this man, this guy can fly and he hang time and everything.

But in those, especially those last two years, even the last year, maybe more than that,

when he became basically the best jump shooter, the best mid-range jump shooter in the league.

It was like, what a, what an awesome.

thing.

Kobe was the same way.

It was like, by the end, the amount of moves he had in the middle that nobody else had.

And that was only because he couldn't dunk over people anymore.

So anyway, to connect that to diet, it's like as you get older, you can do some things so that you can still do the things you love.

I love him, man.

I just saw Pippin on PBD.

I think I was telling you about it.

They don't talk anymore, man.

Pippen and Jordan.

It's a shame.

That is a damn shame.

You know, look, it's always tough to be number two.

It's always tough to be number two.

But Pippin owes Jordan so much.

And he was a great number two.

And the year that Jordan retired.

Pippen was basically the best player in the league that year.

I don't think he won MVP.

That was 94.

Oh, no, Elijah won one MVP that year.

But like, he was basically the second best, first or second best player in the league.

So, yes, could he have had better stats overall without Jordan?

Of course, but the guy was six for six in the finals, freaking legend in his own mind.

So, yeah, I didn't see that episode with PBD, but I've heard about the tensions there.

And it's like, you know, you always want it to be something, something

more magical than like what I always see when people are like, you know, the cast are friends.

They didn't really like each other as much as on the show.

And it's like, well, you're not going to believe it.

Those aren't their real names.

I see it from his point of view.

It must be annoying to constantly be asked about Jordan on every interview you do for the rest of your life.

And he's such a good player.

What do you think his main beef is?

Is it just that he doesn't want to discuss it anymore?

Does he actually have

a beef with Jordan?

Yeah.

I think it started from the last dance.

He said he got to like episode six and seven and he had to turn it off.

I don't know how he was portrayed in that exactly, but I guess he didn't get the spotlight he thought he deserved.

Right.

I told you Clyde the Glide was my hero.

And in the last dance, they totally dismiss him.

Oh, they do.

They don't even show one highlight of him.

No, they just show Jordan going into the 92 finals.

And then they, of course, that's the six threes in the first half and the Shroud.

And you see Cliff Robinson basically die right there.

And Jordan, it's funny.

Jordan in that, he basically was like, you know, they compared Clyde to me and I took that personal

line, right?

But I watch, because I still watch old games from back then.

And during the finals, there's a halftime interview with Jordan where he says, Clyde is my mirror.

He says, Clyde is the mirror image of me.

So it's like Jordan has shifted his attitude.

But that was also, Jordan was great at psychological games.

In 92, it might have been very smart for him to be like, Clyde is the mirror of me, because then he went out there.

And even though I love Clyde, he just demolished him.

That's just the truth.

So Jordan was always like a master.

And Phil Jackson was really the master of all, you know, he would put stuff in the media.

The big thing in 92, they would say right before the finals that the Blazers were a dumb team.

So then in every interview, the Blazers had to be asked, are you guys a dumb team?

Why do you blow big leads?

And then that became a distraction.

So they were amazing at the psychological part.

That's what Phil was like.

That's the architect of that.

Yeah, so he's playing mental games.

It's not just a physical sport for him.

Yeah, so I don't, you know, Jordan does the I took that personal thing now.

Yeah.

And that's his, like, that's like the meme about Jordan.

But he played it very differently back then

in some ways.

Yeah.

Dave, it's been fun again.

I know you got a new book too, right?

I got another book.

Well, it's called Don't Burn This Country, which I meant it was a sort of metaphor, but now they're literally burning the country.

So

hopefully it's raining outside.

Yeah, not snowing, but yeah, nice to come back on.

Yeah, good to see you.

That was fun.

Yeah.

Boom.

See you guys.