The Energy Hack That's Transforming Entrepreneurs | Joe Polish DSH #1056

How do I feel after talking to that person?

Like, do I feel drained or do I feel like motivated?

Okay, if I interact with anyone, it's like, do I feel good or do I feel like, uh, kind of cringy?

When you feel something is off and you ignore that, then what happens is you're training your energy field that it's okay to ignore warning signs.

I didn't even notice the yellow flags, and the yellow flags are lead-ups to the red flags.

But when you say stop, and your body's telling you to stop, and you still push forward, you're going to screw yourself over.

All right, guys, Joe Paulish here.

We are at AmFest, and this guy's one of the most connected people I've ever met.

Thanks for coming on, man.

Well, thank you.

Good to be here, man.

Yeah, that was a fun one with Chris Voss last month, too.

Yeah, yeah.

We did that first podcast.

And this place is kind of insane right now.

Dude, it's booming.

There's a lot of good people.

This is my first AmFest.

What about you?

This is the first one.

Really?

Yeah.

I mean,

Charlie Kirk is a machine.

I'll just put it that way.

And they did the first Maha event here in Arizona with,

you know, Turning Point that had my buddy Bobby Kennedy Callie Ming.

So I introduced both of them to each other.

And so just seeing what has happened just in the span of three months is utterly insane in this country.

Yeah, your interview with Bobby was incredible.

It got almost a million views.

Yeah, yeah.

What were your big takeaways from that interview?

Well, it's the third time I interviewed him.

Bobby,

I guess my big takeaway with him is the ability to be a lifelong Democrat, then go independent, and then

align with Trump, which I think is cool.

And his view on addiction recovery, his view on plant medicines,

the fact that if you notice Bobby, even if someone does not agree with him or not,

it takes a lot for him to insult someone.

He doesn't just attack.

He's more, I guess, more of a nonviolent communication guy.

Whereas Trump is just like hardcore, right?

But both styles, I think, are very interesting ways to open people up because some people resonate with one method of communication, the others don't.

But he's a machine.

My big, biggest takeaway of our most recent interview is Ari knew this, but he stated it, which and I reinforced it as much as I could.

is this year has been his 40th year in recovery because I have an addiction recovery foundation and me and him really align on that.

And so every single day, in spite of of running for president and then everything that's going on, he meditates every day, attends a 12-step meeting every day and works out every day.

Even if he's, you know, traveling, which he is a lot right now, clearly, with security and everything.

So just to coordinate security to work out every day wherever he's at.

And people are like, I don't have time to exercise.

It's like, well, you know, it depends.

Are you committed?

to something people will say i care about my body i care about my health i care about my relationships i care about my recovery recovery.

And he just does it every day.

And so he truly is one of the few people that I've met.

I've met a lot of presidents and ex-presidents.

Most are narcissists.

We talked about that last time.

Yeah, yeah.

And he is truly just, I think, a genuinely great guy.

Now, he will admit there are times in his life where he wasn't a great guy.

And I say great guy, where he was off the rails.

He was an active addiction.

And you cannot be an active addict without lying, cheating, and stealing.

If you're not doing that to other people, you're doing it to yourself.

Like in your mind, you're living kind of like this double life.

So there is no way in hell to do 40 years of recovery, a lot of it 12-step base, and not have that chisel you into a better human.

Everybody's flawed.

We're all flawed humans in some way, shape, or form.

But yeah, my big takeaway was just that daily ritual, which there's so much to take from that.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

I think we all go through these phases, right?

I never meet someone that's just like a steady trajectory.

Never.

Like ever, unless you are living in a freaking bubble or something.

I think life is a series of uh, you're on track, things are working, good relationships, maybe you're taking care of your health, uh, things are you know doing well in business, and then other times you're completely off the off the track, and then the job is to get back on the track because people are like, I used to be there, I used to things used to work this way.

So, the question is, well, what the hell were you doing when things were working?

Can you go back to that?

But we get hit with disease, uh, betrayals, heartbreak.

And even your story, right?

The

big loss of money.

Financial, I had health issues as well.

I was neglecting.

Do you think you could crush it in all aspects of life at the same time?

Or do you think you need to hone in on a few at a time?

Well, it depends on what you mean by crush it.

But

in terms of, you know, it's funny, I have this AI clone.

Yep.

And somehow it's programmed to have me be saying, crush it.

Just is funny because yesterday I were playing around with my AI clone and he was saying, you go out there and crush it i'm like i don't really say that too much how the hell did they get that but maybe one of my interviews with vaynerchuk or something because back in the day

yeah yeah i say that all the time but uh no i i don't think it's possible because there are all the time i mean i think you you can let's take ecker toll you know real peaceful spiritual guy or michael singer may have a different tempo, a different way of being than someone that's out there hustling.

And I think the, you know, taking my buddy Doug Brackman's book, Driven, where 5%, maybe 10% of the population, depending on where you're at, is a hunter and the rest of people are farmers.

Hunters are the ones that are crushing it.

Hunters are the ones that are pursuing with intensity.

So, I mean, in my own experience, maybe someone is so together, has not had adverse childhood.

you know, experiences, the ACE test, they haven't had a lot of trauma in their life and they are pretty balanced.

But I think there's mission-based entrepreneurs, mission-based people, and then there are obsessive people.

And so the obsessive people tend to have more depression, a lot more suicides, more addiction, more of a roller coaster life, whereas the mission-based are more methodical.

They try to build boring businesses.

They try to create a structure, whereas the other people, you know, systems tend to cramp their style.

And so they're all over the map.

So for me, you know, I definitely am a hunter.

And so

it's a bit of a roller coaster.

But what I think is,

I think it's smart to aspire to that.

I think it's very smart to set a foundation up because your life is,

if it's on a shaky foundation, cut all ties with dishonest, negative, unethical, lazy people.

Because if you're around those people by proximity, by the very nature of that, your life is going to be a bit of a shit show because

you can't play with snakes and not get bit.

Yeah.

yeah well now you're seeing new studies of how everyone has an energy field and there's actual studies now about who's around you how it affects you well let me ask you this so you've obviously interviewed people about this you've learned about it what has been your biggest discovery in that because i do think we're frequencies i think there is an energy without sounding woo-woo in a ridiculous way you know we fashion our own futures our mind has a lot to do with stuff and we attract you know you find people whose dense match you're dense absolutely so yeah what for me it's just like how do i feel after talking to that person?

Like, do I feel drained or do I feel like motivated?

Right.

So, that's a simple test anyone watching this can take, and you'll be surprised.

Like, a lot happens just thinking that way.

Well,

now, okay, now someone might just hear that and say, Okay, yeah, whatever.

And it's that's not some big, profound, sort of sounding thing.

However, it's very profound because if you ignore your gut feelings, if you ignore how, like, I always, I had this conversation with the author Poe Bronson years ago, and he said, people want more woo and less ah.

You know, and I've always liked that because it's like, okay, if I interact with anyone, it's like, do I feel good or do I feel like, uh, kind of cringy?

And when you feel something is off and you ignore that, then what happens is you're training your energy field, if we want, let's just use that terminology, that it's okay to ignore warning signs.

And so where I've made the biggest mistakes in my life is when I was tired, when I was exhausted, when I was overwhelmed, or when I ignored red flags.

And by ignoring red flags, you don't even start.

It's like you ever seen people that have these motivational posters in their offices where everyone goes numb to it and they have dust on the top of their head and shit like that, right?

So people get numb to things that they don't pay attention to and you don't see it.

So

there's yellow flags.

In the beginning, After a lot of betrayal, after doing my best to be a giver, but when you're a giver, you get, you're a magnet for takers.

I didn't even notice the yellow flags.

And the yellow flags are leadups to the red flags.

So oftentimes you can be like caution, but when you say stop and your body's telling you to stop and you still push forward, you're going to screw yourself over.

And that is different than like a hard workout.

Like, for instance, nothing feels good in the middle.

When you're going through a breakup, doesn't feel good.

When you're going through building a business in the very beginning, or let's say you're someone that's starting a podcast, you're in the middle of this right now.

What are you like 1,500 episodes?

Yeah, about about 1500 yeah and you want to get to what at least 3 000 because rogan's at 2500 yeah so you are in the middle of working your ass off right people don't see all the coordination that it takes to do something like this scheduling and there's going to be all kinds of mistakes there's going to be and not even mistakes you make just that happens along the way but you're in the middle of it so to condense that if you're in the middle of a one-hour workout and you have to put forth effort that kind of sucks but when you're done with it ah now you're hopefully if you haven't, you know, injured yourself, you have gotten better.

The more that we build up our tolerance to things that are expanding us, great.

Whenever we push through pain that's contracting us, we are closing off that energy feeling.

So it's really expanding.

Does this person expand me or do they contract me?

When you start feeling contractions, that's nature's way of saying, pay attention because pain is a messenger.

And if you ignore pain, you'll start to drink the pain away, screw the pain away, social media the pain away, gamble the pain away, and you'll get yourself in trouble.

Yeah, you got to make some tough decisions because a lot of the times these people are your friends, right?

And then something will happen, they'll change a little bit, whether it's money or fame or whatever it is.

Absolutely.

Like I was talking to Alex Epstein yesterday.

He's the guy that wrote Fossil Futures, one of the smartest energy guy that I know.

And he's, you know, he's friends with Peter Thiel and Palmer Lucky and Jordan Peterson and a variety of people.

His second interview with Jordan is getting ready ready to come out.

And I had scheduled, he used to be in Genius Network.

Yeah.

And he'll be in and out at times, depending on where his life is at.

And I introduced him to a guy named Tommy Mella, who I actually want to introduce you, Dan.

You've been on the show, actually.

Oh, okay.

Perfect.

Perfect.

Yeah.

So, yeah, that's right.

I forgot about that.

So, you know, Tommy's now got this billion-dollar company.

And at the very end of it, because I always talk shit to my friends, it's one of the endearing things I do is I kind of insult them in nice ways.

And Alex said, he goes, you know, the thing about Joe, he goes, he was supporting me before anyone even knew who I was.

And when people were attacking me, and he's like the same guy, even if I give him money or not.

Wow.

And, you know, and I just thought that was actually kind of, and not, not to blow my own horn, because that sounds kind of like what I'm doing.

I think everyone should do that.

It's not a special quality to, you know, there's situational ethics and then there's situational behavior.

Situational behavior is, you know, I may cuss, you know, in front of you or say some, you know, completely inappropriate jokes, which I tend to like, but I'm not going to, if you introduce me to your grandma, I'm not going to cuss in front of her, right?

Unless she starts cussing in front of you and says, oh, that, that's situational behavior.

You know, most people have drank beer.

Most people have gone to church.

It's rare to drink beer in church, right?

You're not going to smoke a joint in the middle of a, you know, church.

Well, some people might, but not idea.

But anyway, um, but situational ethics, though, is when, you know, you act like you're this ethical person in one environment, but your behavior dictates that in a different way.

Kind of like Elon Musk says, you know, people that talk about doing good while doing evil, fuck them, you know, that sort of thing.

So, yeah, I mean, I, that applies, I think, to,

I just think people need to be congruent and capabilities are great, but character will get you through because your capabilities will come and they will go.

You'll be very capable in one area.

And then as soon as you want to go, like if you build a million dollar business, but then you want to go to a $10 million business.

or a $20 million business or a $50 million business.

And I've seen this throughout my whole career.

I mean, I hang around very successful entrepreneurs, and that doesn't mean they're great people, right?

They could have their life completely out of control.

It takes new capabilities every time you make a jump.

If you want to be in better physical shape, if you want to be a better investor, if you want to be a better parent, most people that have kids, they have no capabilities.

They may have read books, they may hear about it, but you develop those capabilities.

So as one develops capabilities, I think it's crucial.

to make sure you don't lose your character.

So we've, you, you're around people all the time that are pursuing fame and notoriety and status and all that and uh when you see them change you're like you know you were cool before you got a little bit of fame but if people get a little bit of fame or money and they start all of a sudden changing you kind of see where their priorities are and it happens more often than not oh unbelievable yeah it

that is so true i cannot even reinforce that enough so uh who becomes a close inner circle friend of mine as I see I watch people that are more powerful.

How do they treat people that are less powerful than them?

I think we might have talked to that before.

Yeah, it's like, but to me, that's really important.

Money's cool.

Running a business is cool.

Having fame in notoriety, having people like you, it's awesome.

They're, you know, the ego part of us, the part of us that has low self-esteem or low self-worth, that lights the reassurance of, of, of people liking us, that, that feels good.

However, that.

you know, is like cotton candy, though.

If you don't validate yourself internally and your only validation comes externally, that's not good.

And if you put yourself in a position where you start getting fame, you start getting success, but you don't develop and nurture yourself to go back to Bobby Kennedy.

He goes to 12-step meetings, which are anonymous meetings.

Now, of course, people are going to know Bobby.

So he has to have a group where he can, you know, obviously still be in that place and be safe.

That's an internal way of resourcing yourself, of building true esteem.

And that forces you to look at your character.

So I guess my question question is,

I want to ask you this.

So as you are, you know, by every means, someone could look at your following and be like, oh my God, I got to get access to Sean because maybe he exposed me to people.

How do you protect yourself

from who's just trying to use you versus who's collaborative, who wants to utilize?

You're an honest question, man.

I get pulled in so many directions these days.

Yeah.

I used to wake up to like no messages, no emails, and now it's like hundreds, maybe thousands a day.

Yeah.

And you can't keep up with it.

oh it's impossible yeah you can't you need good filters man got guys around me that just care about me they were here while i was broke uh like my fiancé is one of them they could just read people really well man plus as a podcaster i've been able to read people better now um it's been a great way of keeping my ego in check as well uh so podcasting's almost like a form of therapy you know yeah so that's been great no no it is well let me say that too because you know i've been pod i i started my first podcast in 2005 so we're going on 20 years ago when no one even knew what the hell a podcast was.

Then I started my first official podcast, the marketing one I do, with Dean Jackson in 2010.

No one was doing podcasts back then.

I mean, we didn't even promote it and we get 300,000 downloads praise.

And it was like, it was an uncrowded market.

And one of the things that happened along the way, I started seeing all of these.

People come out of the woodworks trying to get access.

And

I know more famous people from addiction recovery rooms and and groups than i do from you know the people oh yeah yeah like people see me with all all these different people you know because i've interviewed i mean at this point in terms of official podcasts i've probably done i don't know probably close to you yeah uh but in terms of the interviews i've probably interviewed four or five thousand people if you i i mean i should just put every it like I've got over a thousand 10-minute talks just for genius network members and I I've interviewed most of those people um so I've seen I've seen a lot of stuff and I've seen a lot of people change And, you know, you said something really important about your fiance

is that she was with you when you were broke.

Yeah.

Right.

Is you, you need to protect yourself by not, by having people that will call you on your shit, by people that are not yes people.

And when you start surrounding, when you have this holier than mouse sort of attitude and you start VIP roping people to talk to you, you start traveling around with bodyguards, which some people do, even they don't need bodyguards at all because they're super insecure and it's a posturing thing it works because a lot of people think you're special if you pretend like you're special uh but you gotta you you literally need to keep solid foundational people that aren't impressed with your status absolutely that really want to protect you uh and but you also got to be that person too you got to protect and be willing to have them criticize who you are talking to alex upstairs about that like have people that like invite criticism don't attack the messenger now there's two types of criticism though there's tons of people that will criticize you that don't know you at all so most uh criticism that's toxic and they don't really know who you are they're they're taking a sound bite they disagree with and just start attacking you as a person most criticism is like that is self-hatred turned outward right so but people that really know you that say hey

you know check yourself before you wreck yourself right so damn important and that's why i'm always encouraging people like if someone just does a podcast uh but they don't do the internal work, they may sound smart and they may convince themselves that they know their shit because they're talking to people that know their shit.

Like, look at how much 1500 interviews, including, you know, what I like about you is you interview people that you don't agree with because you're trying to seek to understand, not to be understood.

A Stephen Covey line, right?

And you're trying to explore perspective.

Like, okay.

I mean, don't live in an echo chamber.

Like talk to people that have polar opposite beliefs as you because you don't ever change anyone's mind by arguing with them you can debate you can open them up but if if it's constant just attack attack attack so people that are really looking out for you that will call you on your shit is important secondly you don't just want people to point out where you're screwed up or make mistakes they also come with hey take a look at that and here's here's another perspective or here's a solution so uh yeah i like people that will call me on my shit but they'll also offer a solution yeah because if all they do is point out the bad news, but they don't say, here's how to think about this, here's what we need to do.

It's kind of like, oh, well, now you're just making me feel bad.

Yeah.

But, you know, and sometimes there is no good news.

You know, it's like, no, this is fucked up and we need to deal with it.

But, you know, everyone's going to go through those stages, you know, wherever you're at.

That's phenomenal advice.

Cause when I have people close to me just saying yes to everything, I'm like, dude, I do not like that.

That's a red flag to me.

State your opinion.

They're trying to kiss up.

And you,

yeah, you, you want people that are critical thinkers and that have enough care that they will, if you're getting injured, if you're overworked, they're going to be like, hey, man, get some lunch.

Get some sleep.

But a lot of times, that's why you've seen so much addiction in the entertainment field because

some of these agents.

and managers are toxic because if they can keep the person running and drugged up and prop them up you ever seen you know uh pink floyd The Wall, the movie?

No, I haven't.

Yeah, you know, it's, I mean, a little bit before your time.

However, you know, the band Pink Floyd.

I know, I think.

I know that band.

Yeah.

I know one of the members of Pink Floyd who's full-blown conservative, but no one would ever know.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

And I was talking to him, I go, how do you, because he lives in L.A., right?

And I'm like, how do you deal with so many of the people in the music and entertainment field that are completely woke?

And he's like, well,

for one, acceptance.

Secondly, you know, I believe in the Constitution.

I believe everyone has the right to believe what they want.

That's the beauty of America.

And

you also find out that facts trigger some people.

If you, if you, you know, you tell them, here's the reality.

Let me show.

And it triggers them.

And so when someone's so far gone, you know, you do your best to love them, but also know that.

you know everyone's got their own path everyone's got their own journey yeah you know what's that roomie thing you know beyond the field of uh

beyond right and wrong there's a field uh you know i'll meet you there however it goes sometimes you got to be like all right you know what's ram das is like we're all just trying to walk each other home yeah after you get through the anger and the in all this sort of stuff i mean

i have any uh oh what'd you say what's that what were you saying no no yeah like part i by the way everything i'm saying here it's rare that i do that like i have to be at a higher my higher self to often have this because i mean

there's a lot of evil in the world oh there is and there's some people like, oh, you know,

there's evil, I believe.

So, you know, part of it is trying to get know that however someone is and however they act, it's, it's based on the atmospheric conditions of their life.

Yeah.

My friend Dr.

Don Woods says if you understood the atmospheric conditions of somebody's life, it would make sense why they are the way they are.

See that dude's outfit?

Like, which guy?

The guy in the red.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The one you sent me yesterday was crazy with the horns.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that guy stormed the

guy.

Yeah, he was the character.

character.

Jay Sixer.

Yeah.

It's equal, interesting to see the narrative on Jay Sixers change so much.

Oh my God.

Yeah.

I mean, they are really political prisoners.

I mean, in a lot of ways.

That's another example of framing.

You can, I remember during this G6 conference, I don't know how many years ago it was in Canada, and there were people protesting on the corner and just on this little corner.

And it wasn't violent or anything, but there were people screaming really loud.

But I was seeing all over the news how there's these riots in canada and it just reinforced how much

uh propaganda is pushed out on people and they don't see you know because we could talk about everyone being here but unless the camera sees it you don't really know everything going on but yeah there there is so much framing like my my interview with tucker carlson i i asked him what what does he watch media wise he's like i've been there i've worked in for you i don't watch any of it's it's all bullshit yeah like i i know what i know who those people are it's really interesting so yeah finding news sources through podcasts finding news sources through you know epoch times who is my friend jan who's the senior editor you you interviewed right before me yeah i mean they're they're a great organization really do the research unbiased sources yeah they're rare these days because a lot of people are getting paid off in one way or another and they're even infiltrating podcasts now so you really got to be aware what's going on behind the scenes completely completely i do not watch the news anymore that's for sure yeah yeah the I will only watch it to get a perspective on

propaganda.

Like I'll watch CNN just to see, like, let's see what horseshit they're validating.

People today.

That's so funny.

Yeah.

I mean, I limit it, though, because if you, you know, if you constantly expose yourself to fear porn, it is a dopamine trainer.

And dopamine is the neurotransmitter of anticipation and violence and sex.

And everything else just draws your brain in and you got to be careful what you expose yourself to.

Kind of like, it's like sunburn.

People like the sun is healthy.

Not if you sit in it.

Well, actually, the sun is healthy.

All the stuff with sun.

I don't even wear sunglasses because that's a whole nother conversation

about

what they can, you know, it trains your brain to not produce certain buttons in the skin.

But you could get burned with anything.

You could overexpose.

Part of this is.

moderation, but it's probably a good policy for peace of mind to not watch any news.

For sure.

I look back at my early years of entrepreneurship and I I was working the same hours and I was really dedicated.

And I think one of the reasons I was so flatlined was the news and like just surrounding myself with the wrong energy.

Yeah, yeah.

Information.

Yeah.

Because I was working 15 hours a day for four years straight, but I was only making 50K a year.

Right.

But it kept you in that driven, constant, exhausted, but working.

You know, it's, it's, it's, it's tired and wired.

Yeah.

We live in a culture of people that are wired and they're tired because of screens and all that shit.

Absolutely.

But it's what's what, you know, people will live in gated communities and they'll have alarm systems and they'll have cameras and they'll have all these sort of boundaries and memberships to things.

But through the screens, there's no boundary.

Right.

They'll let anything into their brain.

So the physical, they try to protect themselves from physical dangers, but oftentimes they're oblivious to the psychological dangers.

And so the physical dangers are less than they've ever been before, even though the last five years of the pandemic had showed how much physical dangers.

And when I say less, I say this as an American in a pretty great place for me.

There's a lot of people that are not in a great place.

There's people that are in war-torn countries right now that there's no fucking safety.

There's no psychological safety.

There's no physical safety.

Their lives are horrible.

You know, I mean, I wake up every day and I try to remind myself that there's 3 billion people on the planet whose dreams would come true to change places with either one of us for like an hour.

And so all that being said, the psychological dangers are doing more damage to people in America than even the physical.

I mean, look at the rate of suicide with young people.

Look what happens with soldiers.

I mean, more soldiers die from suicide than...

die in combat.

Wow, I didn't know that.

Yeah.

You know, it's like, why is that?

That it's not getting shot it's not bombs it's not all of you know some of them die that way however it's this internal pain that's not addressed and it's sad it's really sad so that's that's why you know i have uh addiction recovery i just want to try to uh not and again it's not because i'm some uh you know philanthropic angel or anything i mean i don't pay myself any anything from the foundation i devote a lot of time but it helps me my own recovery and if you want your life to be better you think your life is difficult go find someone whose life is more difficult volunteer be present with them do that sort of stuff your life will get better it's counterintuitive it took you know and people that want to try to be contributing if you're not contributing when you're broke you're probably not going to be that much of a contributor when you have money unless you're you're doing it to virtue signal or try to you know look like you're doing good stuff in the world which a lot of people do i mean there there's so many famous podcasters authors speakers that are um basically

communal narcissists.

They give away cars.

Shifter views.

Yeah, they're constantly talking about how much money they're raising for all these things, but it's like,

okay, well,

you know, how many things do you do that you never tell anyone about?

You know, some of the most euphoric feelings I've had is just giving a homeless guy a sandwich or something.

That's like the best I'll feel the whole day.

Exactly.

And

someone doesn't have to go and broadcast that on social media or even tell your girlfriend or your spouse or your husband or your,

like, which is nice to do because oftentimes that will train people.

That's a good thing to do.

So I'm not opposed to that because anything that will help people do big givers, but I will say, if you're only doing it for public recognition, then it's not sincere.

Absolutely.

It's a bit of a con and it's convincing yourself that you're a good person.

And if you have a lot of guilt and you have a lot of shame, there may be a tendency to try to make up for it.

But I'll tell you, I tell people that aren't even in recovery, go to an open 12-step meeting and just sit there before you make a judgment on something and sit with people that are in pain and share experience, strength, and hope with them or listen to their experience, strength, and hope.

And it's, it does wonders.

Absolutely.

And yeah, that's what I, that's what I hope happens.

I think that's happening here in a lot of ways.

There's, there's a friend of mine, Deanne Adamson, who runs a psychedelic and plant medicine integration coaching business called Being True to You.

And she's like, you know, the progressives and the woke culture are trying to take plant medicines as psychedelics and people are in a very vulnerable state.

And they're trying to program them in very bad ways, which she has a, I should have, I'll introduce you to her later.

She's fascinating.

I mean, how's like a podcast?

Fascinating.

But it's, yeah, but it's, you know, so be careful who you spend time with.

Always look at, you know, your own behavior, who you're doing.

And

like you said, you know, pursue people that make you feel good and are awesome.

And I call uh elf versus that which we talked with chris voss about you know who are people projects things activities that for you not me i i don't tell anyone what success is i there's certain things that i don't play golf i have friends that love golf it's like the greatest thing in the world i always use the george carlin line i think it's a waste of real

but you know but it's really not i say that just to piss off golfers but it's like uh who what is elf easy lucrative and fun or easy uh liberating and fun if no money's involved and what is half hard annoying lame and frustrating or oftentimes hard, annoying, lucrative.

And so put more elf in your life, people, and get rid of the half.

And if you get rid of more of the half, you have more time for the elf.

And that's, that is life.

Yes, sir.

I love it, man.

Joe, what's next for you?

I'm joining Genius Network next year, so I can't wait to be there.

What else you got coming up?

I love it.

You know what's next?

Boy,

we're going to hopefully save 20,000 lives a year with putting physical genius recovery kits into homes and recovery centers.

And, you know, any organizations that want to support addiction recovery, geniusrecovery.org is our educational platform uh just building out my ghost town i have a 40 acre ghost town called cleater arizona nice uh that you know cleater i've turned it into a term we what's a goal a dream something crazy that you never think you would do so i started uh you know this is a couple of friends and we want it's our version of like a moonshot yeah you know what is your cleater because i never thought i'd buy a damn ghost town and it's one of the funnest artist platforms that i have and then in 2025 you know shit man, just, you know, the Maha event kind of came in a lot of ways because I introduced Callie Means to Bobby Kennedy.

That led to the introduction to Trump.

And then seeing that, and there's no Maha without addiction recovery.

So

that and just, you know, hopefully keep trying to be the best version of myself as I can be, purge the shit that I don't like and, you know, do more of the stuff that I do like.

And

learning from people like you, too.

Like, I've always been like ignoring social media for the most part.

And I don't really like it.

But when you don't really like something, that's because you haven't really vibed at the end.

Nothing's ultimately good or bad.

It's just, you know, do you,

is it working for you or not?

So when people are like, I hate marketing, well, you wouldn't hate marketing if it's, you know, supporting what it is you're trying to do.

So I don't think anything's ultimately per se, well, some things are, but when I'm talking like certain types of advertising, marketing, messaging is per se good or bad.

It's, there's certain tools you use and others that you don't.

What I don't like about social media is it magnetically draws me in out of curiosity.

And I'm a super curious person.

So I have to protect myself if I put stuff out there.

How are people responding to it?

So, you know, yeah, just trying to raise my level of consciousness personally.

And, you know,

link your stuff below.

Thanks.

Thanks for watching again.

Yep.

Thanks for watching, guys.

Check out his stuff.

See you next time.