"I Regret My Viral Days": YouTuber Tells All | Andrew Hales DSH #952

Weed is like, I don't know, I have to be in the mood for it.

I don't have a problem with weed yet.

It's like a once-a-month type thing, you know.

No, I get crippling anxiety, especially edibles.

You gotta take a tiny bit and then wait like two hours.

Yeah, yeah.

And then sometimes when you don't feel it, you take more, and that's when it gets sketched.

Right, yeah.

All right, guys, Andrew Hills.

We are in Nashville, Tennessee.

This is where you film your show, too, right?

Yep.

Nice.

You interview all walks of life.

What have been some recent episodes?

Um, let's see.

What a

day trader.

Um,

I'm like going blank right now.

No, I know you've done gambler, Crohn's disease, transgender.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

She's over, or he's over in

you gotta be tricky without her these days.

Well, yeah, he's over in

Leeds, England, or somewhere around there.

Yeah, okay.

Was there some common ground you found on that one?

Yeah, yeah.

I try I always just try to, you know, that's why I call it chatting with.

I just try to keep it low-key.

And like you're like you're a guy in a bar asking basic questions, you know.

So do you try to stay neutral on those or do you feel yourself having some personal bias going into it and then kind of combating their argument?

Neutral, for sure.

Okay.

I'm not really I thought about like, you know, taking a hard stance on things and like getting political per se, but I'm not quite ready yet.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Are you scared of just, I guess, cancel culture still?

Yeah, definitely.

I feel like it's not as as bad as it used to be, though.

Yeah, there's definitely like a pushback, and so that's nice.

But.

Yeah, like I would have never.

Because I remember I posted a Trump thing like four years ago, and a ton of people hated it.

Yeah.

But I'm more comfortable posting about Trump these days.

Right.

Yeah.

Well, YouTube, I feel like, is definitely more pro-Trump than

most or other platforms, but I really YouTube is?

Yeah, I don't know.

Well, I've posted like left-wing stuff.

Like, in 2020, I posted something about Black Lives Matter or something.

Yeah,

I was pretty much for it, and I got a lot of hate for that.

They got me on that one.

I donated to that one.

Oh, I didn't have money to donate, but yeah.

No, I fell for that one, though.

I wouldn't support that.

Oh, shit.

So you donated, then you changed your mind.

Well, did you see all the stuff come out after about how some of them were buying houses and stuff?

Yeah, I heard about that.

Yeah, so I was like, wow, that's where my money went.

Yeah.

Yeah, you got to be careful about pretty much all charities.

Yeah.

So.

So you said you didn't have money, though.

I thought the YouTube was doing pretty well at that time.

Nah, well, 2020 was okay, but

no, around 2020 is when my channel started to go downhill.

Okay.

Yeah.

And I started to struggle.

Was that due to a lack of, like, did you feel burnt out?

Yeah, that discipline.

I was just partying a lot.

You got caught up in the party scene.

Yeah, just unfocused.

Yeah, well, not even that.

I was just, you know, we were especially the uh like i just met this girl and we were just kind of drinking every day for like a month or so oh wow yeah because i remember your i was watching you in the yeah 18 19 20 and you were one of the fastest growing channels i believe around that time right

uh

2020 no no 2012 and 13 were my heyday i i blew up to like a million subscribers within a year or so.

Super fast, yeah, very fast, yeah.

Like I saw you at around 100K and then you were at a million.

Yeah, yeah, that was the prank days.

Oh, yeah.

You call it the Vitality days.

Yes, yeah.

And you were walking up to girls on college campus and just doing weird stuff.

Not just girls, but yeah, I did do a lot of little pickup videos.

Nice.

I was 12 years younger.

So did you have a lot of confidence back then?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, I kind of made a little expose on myself about how I would take Adderall, and that would give me kind of some artificial confidence.

Interesting, Adderall.

Yeah,

I titled it King of Awkward, a a film about Adderall.

And I was just kind of exploring what's ADD and

Adderall in general and how it makes you feel unstoppable.

Interesting.

Are you still taking it?

Yeah, I take like a low-dose extended version of it now.

Okay.

Which is fascinating.

So I was prescribed ADHD.

I don't know the difference with ADD and ADHD, but it's similar, right?

Yeah, I think.

So they tried putting me on that in like fourth grade.

Wow.

Which is, I feel like it's a little too early.

Yeah, definitely.

I think,

I mean, yeah, it's over-prescribed for sure.

I think so too.

Yeah.

But it sounds like yours was pretty severe.

So.

Yeah, I don't know.

I got on it like when I was 21.

So what are you?

Are you taking it now?

I'm not.

I'm actually pretty against most Western drugs.

So that's probably where we differ.

All right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You mentioned psilocybin.

I would rather take psilocybin in a microdose form than Adderall.

Is it legal or you get it illegally?

It's decriminalized and it's growing.

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I'm not sure what I'm not trying to indict myself here, but yeah, in certain cities, it's decriminalized, you know?

Yeah, I've been meaning to get that.

I'd be curious, someone like you that's been on Adderall, like if you would feel it compared to Adderall.

And it's not scary because it's so low.

No, you won't hallucinate or anything.

Is that what scares you about psychedelics?

Yeah, for sure.

So you've never taken a psychedelic.

Wow.

Well, unless you include ketamine as a psychedelic.

Ketamine?

It might be.

Were you seeing stuff on it?

No.

Well, yeah, if you take enough of it.

Okay.

So it might be one.

I don't know.

Haven't tried that one, man.

Yeah.

Well, no, it was in a doctor's.

It was like legal, you know, in the infusions and that whole wave, yeah.

So you did the ketamine therapy.

Right.

It's guided, right?

Yeah.

Well, they don't know.

They just sit you in a chair and put it and, you know, hook you up and then you just kind of hallucinate a little bit for for like an hour oh wow any big takeaways from that experience yeah i mean

you kind of you feel lighter for the next month or so okay yeah it's supposed to build like glutamate in your brain or something and just helps with depression yeah it's supposed to be a huge breakthrough and treating depression so so were you dealing with some mental stuff at that time yeah i i've kind of always uh you know had low energy and

you know whatever all melancholy my whole life yeah is that have you tested your uh testosterone levels because that could be related Yeah,

I've wondered about that.

And I would love to get on TRT, but I'm worried about getting infertile.

And I got to pump out some kids first with Carly.

That's true.

Yeah, it's the game we play as men, right?

Yeah.

Are you on TRT?

I'm not, but I raised mine naturally.

Okay.

Yeah.

So I was out of 520, which is decent, but you could take these herbal supplements to get you up.

It gets harder as you age.

So you're 34, you said?

In more ways than one.

Yeah.

Or no, you're right.

Yeah, it does decline as you age.

Right.

So you're starting to drop 1% a year, I believe, around that age.

Right, right.

No, the last time I checked, I don't even remember what it was.

It was in the low to mid-range.

But yeah, I'd love to.

I'll put you on.

Yeah.

Shout out to Gary Brecca, man.

Some gear.

Dude, those blood tests, I used to be scared of needles and stuff, so I wouldn't take them.

And then you think in your 20s, you're just invincible, but that shit rocked my world.

I was very deficient in a lot of things.

Really?

Yeah.

Okay.

Vitamin D was messed up, vitamin C, white blood cell count.

I've heard, yeah.

I definitely notice when I take vitamin D, I feel a lot better.

Yeah, that's a big one because that kind of controls everything.

Yeah, that and magnesium.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah, we're getting older, man.

We got to be supplementing.

No doubt.

And we're only in our 20s and 30s.

Imagine when we get even.

Yeah, and we got all this plastic in our blood stream, which I've heard is

theorized that that's causing a lot of low-T in men.

Yep, it's in our balls.

Yeah.

100% of balls.

And the radiation from our cell phones is another.

Which is in our pockets right now.

Right.

We're just constantly attacking our bodies.

Yeah.

I try not to get too lost in it because there's some people that take a little extreme, you know.

Right.

The health care.

Yeah,

you can't get too crazy about it.

Like, there's cold plunging, which is, I don't know.

I do that.

I love that.

Oh, you do it?

Yeah.

Wow.

What temperature?

I try to get it to 45.

Dude, that's cold.

It is.

Yeah, it's hard.

How long are you in the middle?

The first minute's like

agonizing,

but then the next like five minutes are fine, and then you get out and you feel great.

Okay.

Yeah.

Well, there's some upstairs, so I might have to try it after this.

What do you mean?

I just went on the roof.

There's two tubs up there.

And they're already cold?

Yeah.

Oh, we should have done that before this.

That would have been cool.

Yeah.

We would have been amped up.

That honestly works better for me than taking a monster.

Really?

Yeah.

It really

triggers a bunch of chemicals.

Wow.

Yeah.

Okay.

Have you never done it?

I've done a cold shower, but that's probably nothing close.

I don't like showers because it's like constantly cold in one area.

You know?

But then the plunge, you can, and it's more relaxing and all at once.

That makes sense.

Yeah.

So, sober for over 300 days now.

That's totally over 400 days now.

400 days.

Yeah.

Wow.

Feel great about that.

Is that the longest you've gone since your

since I was 19?

Yeah.

Wow.

Congrats, man.

That's big.

Thanks.

Did you have to go to like a rehab spot for that?

No.

It's just, you know, after trial and error, it's probably like the thousandth thousandth time that I try to go sober.

And

you know you mess up and mess up and mess up and then finally stuck.

So what do you think about this time that made it click?

Is there a specific reason you think?

Not really.

Just kind of

just a realization that you got to get going and you got to take care of yourself.

I did read some books that helped change my mind about it and helped me like change my paradigm of alcohol.

I think it's called Sober on a Drunk Planet.

I forgot the author, but that was really good.

Sober on a Drunk Planet.

What a name for a book.

Yeah.

Well, it's true.

It's like the hardest, it's because it's everywhere, you know, and everyone, you know, it's the one drug that you have to explain to people why you don't drink, you know.

Really?

Yeah, you know, because everyone pressures you to drink, you know.

Don't you feel like that?

Yeah, I'm sober right now, but there's definitely wherever you go, like alcohol is there.

Yeah.

So it's everywhere for sure.

How long have you been sober before?

Well, I say sober, but like I'll have a drink, but I won't get drunk.

So I haven't been drunk in six years.

Nice.

And I used to get drunk like four or five times a week in college.

See, yeah, I mean, I never understood the point of just having one drink, you know.

I do it to socialize.

It loosens me up a little bit, but yeah, I'm not a fan of just drinking in general, to be honest.

Well, that's good.

I feel like the reward to risk ratio isn't really there.

Yeah.

You know, you're damaging your body and trying to fit in with people that.

Yeah.

And uh well, one monkey that is on my back though is kratom you heard of that i have what does that do uh it just makes you feel good is it uh

is it like an upper it's uh it's supposedly it's technically a stimulant but it yeah it's this green powder you you swish it in a tea and you drink it and it's kind of like a um a natural uh opioid in a way okay so you're taking that yeah i've been taking that the last like year and that that helped a lot weaning off alcohol because it's like when i when i'll get an urge to drink i'll just get that yeah i've seen it sold at like gas stations right

yeah

it's sketchy

you can get it at smoke shops or online and like the legality of it is a little gray and it's it's banned in some states um it's like cbd then

yeah yeah

there's a lot of similarities to weed but it doesn't feel like weed but it's yeah

have you tried this nicotine wave out these sins are everywhere man oh yeah.

Yeah.

Well, it kind of goes like cigarettes, and then you taper to vaping, and then vaping to Zins, and then Zins.

And right now I'm on Zins.

How is that?

I haven't tried it.

They're fine.

They keep the demons at bay, you know.

I actually heard nicotine isn't like as bad as you think for you.

Really?

Yeah, so the part of the cigarette that's not good is the stuff they add.

It's not the nicotine.

That's what I've heard, at least.

Yeah, I don't know.

I mean, I know Zins are probably better than vaping, at least for for your lungs for sure so yeah do you have a nicotine addiction?

No my dad used to chew those yellow nicotine squares and I thought they were disgusting growing up but um no the vape pens man I used to smoke those in college and that was messing me up.

Yeah,

there's a lot of things you can yeah Gen Z vaping's took hold of Gen Z you know it's bad.

Yeah, it's real bad.

I have a lot of you know zoomer friends and they're always vaping.

Yeah.

So do you like weed or n or um

uh cigarettes more?

Tobacco more?

Yeah.

Weed?

Yeah, for sure.

But I weed is like, I don't know.

I have to be in the mood for it.

I don't have a problem with weed, yeah.

I get anxiety off it.

Yeah, yeah.

Like I it's like a once a month type thing, you know.

No, I get crippling anxiety, especially edibles.

Oh, yeah.

I feel like I'm dying.

No, edibles, you gotta be you gotta take a tiny bit and then wait like two hours.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then sometimes when you don't feel it, you take more and that's when it gets sketchy.

Right, yeah.

And it's it sucks if you take too much and you're just violently high.

Yeah.

Oh man.

There's nothing worse than that.

Do you see pranks ever making a comeback?

You see yourself ever doing that type of content again?

Yeah, I've thought about it, you know, just for the views and to you know bring in some cash.

But it's,

I don't know.

It's

part of me feels like the wave is over and it's like I just it's not really I feel like it's almost impossible to make good content that way

but the other part of me is like nah that's just in my head yeah so I don't know I love the honesty well I guess you won't truly know until you you try it and now live streaming's pretty hot and people are doing some weird pranks on those yeah

yeah and then I like you know I'll get all philosophical I'm like oh is this wrong like

and I'll get in my head so much like oh I shouldn't be filming people you know and I and I just don't want to I'm just at the end of the day I just feel like I'm a little too mature to be filming strangers

and like

exploiting them.

But then I then I kind of wake up the next day and I'm like, oh, maybe I'm just, that's, they don't care, you know.

So you got that moral dilemma.

It's interesting you say that because Jideon, I'm not sure if you followed what happened with him, but one of the biggest pranksters of recent era.

Have you seen his stuff?

I'm not sure.

I don't think so.

Okay, he was a big live streamer.

Okay.

Became one of the biggest pranksters and then went through this whole moral dilemma where he quit pranking overnight, became super religious,

started reading the Bible on stream and stuff.

But that only, no, it's crazy.

You should look it up.

But then that only lasted a certain amount of time and now he's back to pranking.

Interesting.

But doing it more in an ethical way, I guess.

Because before some of his pranks would get people fired.

Oh.

Like he would fake being an employee.

I would feel really bad about that.

Yeah, and then like he'd fake being employed at Target and then some guys got fired or something.

Interesting.

Yeah, you definitely, I mean, some of them, you kind of have to be be a sociopath, you know,

and just not have feelings for other people when you're doing it.

That's true.

Yeah, there is like some, there are some certain prank ideas where it's pretty much harmless.

Any pranks you regret that you still think about?

Probably, yeah, any, any like the trying to kiss girls where I would just like awkwardly in the library, I would like kind of walk and, you know, you make eye contact and you're, and then you just slowly Lean towards them and then they what are you doing and so that's I wouldn't I wouldn't ever do anything like that now because I'd get you canceled now.

Yeah, I'd get you a charge probably these days.

Yeah, yeah, I'm surprised no one called the cops on you back then.

I know I know

you're one of those pranksters that's never been arrested.

I feel like all those guys got arrested back in the day.

Yeah, I did get kicked off BYU

after like the 10th or 20th prank and then like UVU a little bit, but BYU must have been seeing all the Mormons there.

And you grew up Mormon, right?

Yeah, yeah.

So you were probably used to that, but that always interests me, the Mormon culture.

Yeah, yeah.

You know any Mormon friends?

I do.

I'm actually really close friends with a few of them.

Cool.

Yeah, I haven't really been active

since I moved out.

Really?

So you kind of left it?

Yeah.

It is interesting to see some of them get really wrapped up in that lifestyle.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, like about half my friends and family are mormon so i don't um

i try not to

you know you you hate the uh the belief not the believer you know so right because they think they're doing the right thing right so it's not them yeah everyone kind of has their own little religions you know like uh no fap is kind of something i'm i'm into but really yeah a lot of people kind of think it's a little loony you know i like no porn I'm a believer in that.

All right.

Yeah, that's good.

No fap's like the next level, though.

So how long have you been practicing that?

Or do you go through periods where you're doing it?

Yeah, no, I usually, I don't go more than a couple weeks.

So

I'm definitely not, I just know that, like, so like in preparation for a video or something important, I won't, I'll abstain from porn masturbation for leading up to it for at least like five days.

No, that'll give me like an extra aura, but that's, it could be all in my head.

Could be.

Yeah.

Some fighters practice it, though.

though, so there's, there's something there, like boxers.

Um, no, I like that, though.

Yeah, Muhammad Ali, I think, you know, he wouldn't have sex and all that before a fight.

And Mike Tyson, I think, is quoted saying something like that.

So, yeah, there's something there.

I've seen one video where it's like, no fap for a year.

I'm like, all right, that's a little, that's a little extreme, you know?

Yeah, I mean,

it's, it's hard to tell because it's like sometimes you, you,

you release and you feel like a lot better because then you got that clarity, you know?

And so it's, I don't know.

Sometimes you release, you feel like shit though.

Right.

So it's like, well, I don't know.

Yeah, I wonder if someone could solve that problem.

What's causing that, you know?

Right.

Because that's the worst.

Like when you feel like shit after.

Yeah.

You kinda just,

yeah, you'll you're definitely less motivated.

Yeah.

You got any guests booked for the Chatting with series that you're interested or excited about coming up?

Um, yeah, right now I got like uh guy with Tourette's I'm gonna talk to soon.

Um

It's another guy.

I got a bunch.

Yeah, a guy with bipolar one should be good.

This girl that's like a dating coach for the last 10 years.

Interesting.

Yeah.

You know, we're chugging along.

What's your kind of goal with this?

Like, are you just genuinely interested in these lifestyles?

Yeah, I mean, the interviews are easy, and you know, podcasts are really hot right now.

Yeah.

But, yeah, I mean, if they don't really pick up right now it's not really doing that well like 10 20k views each you know and if they don't pick up in like the next month or just two or whatever i i'll probably start vlogging again or something okay or try something different yeah your angle interests me because you could have had on all your friends all your celebrities and yeah did the normal route but you and tosh.0 went a different route uh i forget his name but where you just interview like ordinary people yeah yeah

um theo vaughn no tosh.0 right but theo vaughn also has like ordinary people too.

Well, he has on celebrities too.

Yeah, yeah.

But yeah, he's had on some ordinary people.

Yeah, in my opinion, like celebrities are, you know, when I first did the chatting list, I had like a bunch of big YouTubers and friends, and I

don't know really, I don't know what to ask them.

It's like, I don't know, it's harder to keep my attention because I, I don't know, I don't really.

It's like, I kind of feel like I have them figured out, you know.

Plus, they're at a higher risk of getting canceled, so they won't be as honest from my experience at least, because I've had on some notable people, and it doesn't feel as authentic with them generally.

Yeah, it's a little more sterile.

Yeah, so that's the game you got to play.

Yeah, yeah, because when you go to A-list, I mean, they're giving robotic answers.

Yeah, it sucks, you know.

Who's the biggest guest you had in terms of fame?

Sure, yeah, because I've had on people you've never heard of get millions of views, but in terms of fame, I'd say Howie Mendel.

Um, he's probably the number one guy yeah his son I know was a big youtuber oh yeah for a little bit I don't know what he's doing now but um

yeah I what's funny is you heard of Tim Ferriss yeah you met him right yeah I interviewed him like really three four years before I ever started doing the interviews whoa that must have been a really impressive and I thought about like bringing it up um and just reposting it as a chatting with you should yeah it's only it's only audio though so oh what yeah and I just did it with my phone on the side of the street in San Francisco.

Oh, you ran into him?

No,

we just, we met up to do a video and we did like hugging people in the park or something.

And then I just,

as a bonus, I just interviewed him for like 20 minutes, I think,

with my phone.

Dude, that's a legend right there.

Yeah.

And it's just ironic because he's like the biggest, has probably the most prestigious guest I've ever...

or person I've ever met.

He's up there, man.

He's probably top five or top 10 show of all time, I'd say.

yeah, I used to watch all his episodes, but no, I love his book.

Yeah, his book's great.

Some of his episodes are too smart for me.

Yeah, I can't even understand it.

No, he gets he gets very analytical.

Yeah, for sure.

What shows are you watching and studying right now?

Um,

not much lately.

I've been kind of just watching

just been listening to Theo Vaughn's podcast a lot, Smartless.

What else?

I'll listen to books on tape while I'll probably play video games.

I'll kill Tony is a big one.

I just started that one.

Yeah, I listened to Theo.

I just saw his with Trump.

Yeah.

That was interesting.

That blew up.

That got like 10 million views in two days.

I'm telling you, man, I'm excited about future podcasts.

Did you know this year alone there's been six acquisitions, over $80 million in the podcast space?

That's insane.

Yeah.

Man.

I think Theo is probably going to be next.

And I think

like Spotify picks them up or something?

Spotify, Series XM.

There's one other company.

Smartlist, the show you watch, got acquired for $100 million

this year.

Like syndication rights?

Yeah, I think the way it works from what I've seen, because Rogan sold this year for $250, is they take all the money from the sponsors and they use that to recoup their money that they pay you.

Wow.

So they're seeing it as like an investment that they'll make back over time.

Right.

Because these shows are making a ton off sponsors.

I don't know their exact numbers, but I'd assume millions every year they're making back.

Crazy.

So they could put up 50 million for Theobon's show and make that back in however long.

Yeah.

So that's my goal at least.

It's super competitive.

Very.

It feels like everyone has a podcast now.

Everyone does, but the 1% are just way ahead of everyone.

It's really hard to catch up to the top shows.

Yes.

Like super hard.

Yeah.

Like there's so many podcasts, but not a lot of them get views.

Right.

It's

yeah.

Super hard.

Is that a goal for you to sell your show one day?

Yeah, I guess, yeah, obviously that'd be great.

But I don't know.

I've always kind of just done my own thing and like doing my own thing.

But yeah, I gotta, I gotta sit down and write and, you know, focus more.

Do you meditate?

I uh it depends.

Yeah.

Not the traditional sense of sitting there and uming and chanting, but just forms.

It sounds like you, you know, you made a big paycheck with the crypto.

Made a lot in crypto and then I sold my crypto company.

Okay.

So I'm in a weird spot where I could have retired at 25.

Yeah.

But dude, it was depressing.

Like this is getting to sound weird, but I had so much money and like didn't know what to do.

Yeah, no,

I've been in that position, not too much money, but where you're totally comfortable and don't have to do it.

You have no obligations every day and you're just watching movies.

No, literally, I would sleep like 10, 11 hours, wake up like...

Kind of like a zombie.

Yeah, were you smoking weed or anything?

Yeah, I think I was hitting pens at the time.

But dude, it was weird.

Yeah.

Like money won't fix everything.

Yeah, that's a big point Tim Ferriss makes in For Hour Work Week that retirement's a myth.

You got to always be doing something.

Well, now they're doing studies on retirement, brain scans.

And dude, people are dropping way earlier.

Wow.

Like when you retire, you're...

Like you're like they get sad.

Yeah, they get sad and they pass away younger than people that keep working and have purpose.

Nice.

So I don't think I'll ever stop as long as I genuinely enjoy what I'm doing, which right now I do.

Podcasting is fun.

Yeah.

Meet some cool people, learn a lot.

And there's not many other professions where I'm as passionate about podcasting.

And you're getting sponsors now, right?

Yeah, just got DraftKings.

Shout out to DraftKings, Babel, LinkedIn.

Nice.

Took a while, though, man.

Took a while to get sponsors.

Was it like that for you?

I don't know.

It depends.

Sometimes I'll get like...

I'll get like three in a row and then I won't get any for a year.

That happened to me.

Yeah, there was a few months this year where I wasn't getting any.

I actually lost money some months.

Yeah.

I lost money the first six months and then I thought I'd be set the rest of the way but it was one or two months this month where I was taking some fat L's dude.

Fat L's like 30k L's.

Well yeah that's so biz.

What

you're not messing with crypto at all now?

I still have a ton but I'm down pretty bad right now.

But I like it.

Like the market is down, you mean?

Market's down.

Yeah, as we're filming this, Ethereum's at like almost 2,000 and Bitcoin's at 50.

so that's considered down from the peak you got most of it in bitcoin ethereum ethereum why ethereum

i had a lot of bitcoin i sold it to buy a house just now but uh i like both no really preference you know but i feel like with ethereum you can steal three to five x bitcoin's kind of high you think um people are going to be using that instead of money in the future They already are.

I mean, I have so many crypto nerd friends that buy watches, houses, anything you can think of with crypto.

I guess besides the super rich, I mean, oh, oh, just casually?

Yeah.

It's going to be tough.

The reason is because banks hate it.

So like my Chase account got banned just because I was in the crypto space and credit card companies hate it because let's say you buy a thousand dollars of Bitcoin and it goes down 20%.

You're going to file a chargeback on that credit card.

Right.

And it's going to put the credit card company out of business.

So they hate crypto.

Yeah, it's so volatile.

Yeah.

So I don't think it'll ever be casual because of that.

Yeah, like a casual currency.

Nah, that's why the dollar is casual, like, you know.

Yeah.

Even though that's a whole nother podcast with the value of the dollar going down.

Yeah, sorry.

I don't mean to.

I'll let you ask questions.

No, you're good.

When I go on other shows, I ask the host questions, too.

It's like a natural thing.

Yeah.

Do you like being the host more or the guest?

Oh, host, probably.

Same.

Yeah.

I like having control, you know.

100%.

Yeah, I turned down most shows, to be honest.

Really?

Yeah.

Wow.

Well, yes.

I mean, I, it's not, I don't get asked that much, so it's like, I'll say yes now because it's like once a year, you know.

Okay.

Oh, that's it?

Yeah.

Wow.

Well, yeah, once or twice a year.

Damn.

I get asked a lot, but it's usually smaller shows and it's the same question.

So it's like, you know, how many times am I going to tell my life?

I'm impressed.

Yeah.

You haven't been asking like the usual questions.

That's what I try to do with the show because you got to stand out, you know?

Yeah.

I mean, I hate when they're like, describe your life story.

Like,

come on.

So, how'd you get started?

Yeah.

Oh, Jesus.

Yeah.

So basic.

Are you still preparing for a half marathon?

Saw you made a video about that.

Yeah, yeah.

That's in late October.

I've been running a lot.

But I eat like shit.

So, yeah.

So I still have a dad bod.

Here, everything's fried, right?

Yeah, there's a lot of fried stuff here, barbecue stuff.

But

I've been, yeah, I've been running like usually like two or three miles every day, sometimes more.

Oh, wow.

So a half marathon is 13.1, right?

Yeah, I got to start ramping it up.

Okay.

So if you can run the whole way without walking, that'll be a win for you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, I feel like I could, but it would make me sore for the next week.

Yeah.

The marathon's on my goal, my bucket list goal.

Yeah, you done any races?

I used to be a runner.

Oh.

Yeah.

Damn.

I was a speedster, dude.

Okay.

Yeah.

Like, what was your main race?

Mile and 800.

What's your mile time?

440.

Wow.

Yeah, I was pretty good.

That's a good thing.

And I was eating like shit back then.

So if I took it serious these days, I could probably run a 420.

Do you still run every day?

No.

Man.

I do basketball now.

Yeah.

Running is a very mentally exhausting sport.

Ah.

You know?

Yeah, because I do feel after running, I'm like, I'm expecting that I'll get all this work done because it's like I've got all these endorphins now, but it's the opposite, right?

A little bit.

Yeah, like my willpower, though, is down.

It's tough, man.

Plus, it's so when you get to a high level, you're spending so much time because to run 13 miles would probably take you three hours.

Right.

So you got to dedicate that daily.

It gets pretty time intensive.

Yeah, 454.

That was like in high school.

440, yeah, in high school.

And then my half mile was 159.

That was my main event.

Wow.

So, yeah, I could have went D1 for running if I wanted to.

Man.

That's agonizing that last stretch.

It's like your whole body's on fire.

Yeah.

i did a little bit of track in high school but it was mostly just long jump and 100 meter oh yeah what was your hundred

oh i don't even remember it was like

i don't i have no idea 11 seconds you were a sprinter so you were muscular yeah but it was only like in sophomore in high school or something oh okay i had on the fastest hundred meter runner in the world What?

Yeah.

Or not the world, the U.S., my bad.

Okay.

Usain Bolt's the best.

You were the fastest 100-meter high schooler?

In the world.

Like, he he was an Olympian gold medal.

Wow.

Yeah.

Justin Gatlin was his name.

Damn.

That was a fun episode.

Wow.

Yeah, 10 seconds, man.

Or 9-7 was his 100.

9-7.

Which is crazy.

Yeah.

Yeah, they're all in the nine range now.

These days, yeah.

Yeah.

If you're not under 10 these days.

Right.

Man, being an athlete, especially these days with social media just ridiculing you off of poor performance, you got to be really tough to be an athlete, I feel like.

Did he talk about steroids?

Uh, no, I didn't ask him that because it was touchy.

Yeah, he got banned for a few years.

Oh, he did, yeah.

So, I didn't want to

certain guess if you pushed the wrong buttons.

You know, I haven't had anyone walk off yet, but apparently, every host has to deal with that.

Do you do you send the episodes for approval to people after?

That's what I do for chattings because I don't want to step on anyone else.

Some people ask, but I'm I don't go out of my way and send it to them, no.

Okay, yeah.

Has anyone asked for them to be taken down after the fact

so i know that's happened to you it hasn't happened to me yet okay because i'm not really trying to get gotcha moments right like certain hosts are like oh let's talk about your ex-girlfriend or something i don't find purpose in that yeah i feel like a lot of british journalists are that way yeah i know who you're talking about

are you are you on all the yeah like the guy with uh robert downey jr yeah yeah he's such an asshole um what uh are you you're on all the platforms now just got banned on tick tock But yeah, I'm okay.

I did an interview with Tulsi Gabbard.

Okay.

She's like a politician on the right-wing space.

Wow.

Just joined Trump's team, and that one got me banned.

Because it was right-wing?

Yeah.

Well, they tell you which clip got flagged, and it was about talking about the deep state.

So, okay.

Yeah.

Conspiracies.

Conspiracies.

Yeah.

You gotta be careful with those.

Right.

Moon landing.

Earth is flat.

You believe in any conspiracies?

Not really.

I think.

Double-headed.

Yeah, I think

basic stuff like

Big Pharma

is,

you know, pushing doctors to...

I don't know.

Yeah.

I don't want to get you canceled here.

Yeah.

Some of them are interesting.

I'll say that.

Yeah, no.

I had a Flat Earther.

It's one of my best episodes deciding with.

Same with me.

That's one of my most few clips.

Yeah, people go crazy about that stuff.

They go nuts.

Yeah.

But I don't know.

They can't can't believe this person believes that.

Right.

Yeah.

And that's the game I have to play.

Like, I have to promote crazy stuff like that to get views.

So that's the moral dilemma I have with it.

Right.

Because if I don't do that, I won't get as many views.

Right.

I'm sure you deal with that too, right?

Yep.

Yep.

It's

there's a there's a balance.

Yeah.

And that kind of limits my guest pool because certain guests get offended by certain guests I've had on.

So they won't come on.

Interesting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it kind of sucks.

Or um

what was I going to say?

You had any guests on that you like your manager had on and you were like, why is he that you didn't want to have on?

Oh, that I didn't want to have on?

That like you, that your manager got without like telling you?

Yeah, there's been a couple on the spot where I've been like, oh, this is going to be weird, but I think you can learn something from pretty much everyone, you know?

Like, I'm about to have Tate on.

And that's going to be big.

It's going to be big, but that will limit certain future guests.

So I have to play that game.

Like, okay, people won't come on because I've had them on.

Right.

So, yeah.

It's whatever, though.

Yeah.

There's enough people in the world to have on.

Would you say you're more right-wing?

Yeah, these days.

But I grew up super left, Democrat in New Jersey.

And you were in Cali, so I'm assuming you grew up pretty left too, right?

No.

My dad's really conservative.

Oh, really?

Yeah, I grew up pretty right up until, yeah.

Then I went left

as I I got older yeah I've never heard of right going to left yeah

I mean LA kind of just rubbed off on me I guess I don't I lived there for six years okay so you're still left right now though yeah wow

so you're gonna vote for Kamala

I mean

that's a yes I don't I don't usually vote oh yeah I don't know because it's like comp I don't know I wish there was they made it I d I wish you didn't have to mail it in or go somewhere you know it is a tedious process I don't know I don't I

should vote yeah I haven't ever voted yeah but since I'm in a swing state now I might I'm in Nevada so okay Jersey used to always be left so I didn't see a point I thought Nevada was like totally right no it was left in 2020 voted for Biden wow yeah Nashville's right though right yeah so you're like an outlier out here a little bit yeah

so you probably don't even touch on it out here no I but yeah I thought about getting political with like my street interviews like people on abortion etc you know I think you should.

The reason being is it's hot right now, it's getting a ton of views, and it's important.

Okay, I think we should be having these conversations.

Okay, you know, well, yeah, I'll take that into consideration.

Yeah, I mean, look at all the top shows right now, they're touching on politics, or they're super political, right?

Patrick Bett David, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, right?

Candace is out here, I heard my channel's like at such a low point.

It's like I don't really have much to lose anyway.

Yeah, so that's how I feel.

If you're not constantly doing something new, like my view, everyone's views are down right now.

Yeah,

Well, especially on YouTube.

Yeah, I'm down 70% on Instagram.

I used to get 40 million accounts reached a month.

Wow.

Yeah.

And then I had Sneeko on.

Yeah, yeah.

The right-wing.

He was a streamer.

Yeah.

And I've been screwed since.

Wait, he's right-wing?

I don't know what he is, but he's just a little extreme.

He's been banned everywhere.

Yeah, yeah.

Does he have glasses on?

He might.

He didn't on the podcast.

He might be thinking of something, someone else.

Yeah, I don't know if that's

Would you have on just about anyone on your show, though?

Like, if they were super right-wing, would you be willing to talk to them?

Yeah, of course.

Like Alex Jones.

Yeah.

Okay, so you're down to have a dialogue.

Yeah, I'm very open-minded.

And I, you know, I'm not, I wouldn't say I'm like really left, but I just, in general, just a casual Democrat.

Yeah, interesting.

I just feel like

Jon Stewart, you know,

Bill Maher.

Yeah, Bill Maher.

All these guys are, they just seem way smarter.

Smarter than

who are you comparing them to?

Joe Rogan, Bill O'Reilly, the, what was the guy?

What's the other guy's name?

Tucker.

Tucker, yes.

Tucker Marshall.

Carlson.

Tucker.

Carlson, yes.

I don't know.

Yeah, they just seem cooler, you know?

Well, Tucker is right-wing.

Like, I'm definitely not an intellectual, and it's above my pay grade, but I just would rather hang out with them than

Tucker or Bill, you know.

Really?

Yeah, oh, wow, what an interesting.

No, I'm so fascinated because on my podcast, it's the opposite.

Interesting.

I've had on mainly right-wing guys.

I try to have on people on the left, but they don't seem as open to come on, dude.

Huh?

Do you find that too?

I, I mean, this is honestly like the first time ever that I've really talked about politics.

Oh, okay.

The longest I've ever talked.

Yeah, the most.

Wow.

Yeah.

I've had Marianne Williamson on the show,

but that's about it.

Yeah, she's, she's, um,

she's kind of like a female Bernie.

I actually liked her a lot.

I was surprised.

Cool.

Yeah, other than the vaccine stub, I agreed on a lot with her.

I don't want to mention that or get the podcast deleted.

All right.

But, dude, it's been fun.

I mean, I'm going to keep up with you.

I hope you can revive this thing.

Yeah, man.

The fact that you've been around this long, though, is impressive.

There's not many of you guys still making videos for 10 plus years.

Yeah, I mean, I feel like if you get burned out, just take a break and then come back to it.

Absolutely.

We'll link your stuff below.

Thanks for coming on, Andrew.

Of course, man.

Thanks.

Watch out as always.

See you next time.