Betting Genius: 25-0 Record EXPOSED! I ZACH HIRSCH DSH #775

You bet on power slap?

Power slap?

No.

No?

No.

I go to the events.

It's fun.

Have you been?

Okay, I have not been.

A lot of respect for Dana's business acumen and all his ideas and stuff.

You just kind of sit there and get slapped, so it doesn't seem like a sport of skill or anything like that.

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All right, guys, we made it happen finally.

We got Miss Exact here.

Thanks for coming on, man.

No problem.

We've been for like five years on IG.

Yeah, since I was a junior in high school.

Yeah, it's been cool to see your evolution, dude.

I mean, you've been nailing these sports picks.

You're super tapped in with the celebrities.

Congrats on all you've done.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Just starting.

Hell yeah.

I love that attitude.

Yeah, I would say that's accurate.

I'm the most accurate sports handicapper ever recorded by any metric that I've seen.

Right, because you're undefeated in Super Bowls, and you have great records in other sports.

Yeah, undefeated college football, 25-0, national championships, Super Bowl, undefeated as well.

Wow.

That's unheard of, man.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

And NBA, you do well too, right?

Yeah, I do well in NBA.

I would say NFL, college, boxing are the absolute strongest.

Yeah.

Speaking of NBA, I know you're a Warriors fan, right?

You like some of those guys?

I like some of those guys.

When they were going against the Cavaliers, I was definitely supporting them.

Okay.

What do you think of Steph Curry?

Steph Curry is the greatest offensive player of all time.

Wow.

His gravity that it provides in the court, unmatched.

He helps his teammates more than anyone.

He's the best off-ball player of all time, the greatest shooter of all time, the most underrated finisher at the basket ever, the best free throw shooter of all time.

Steph Curry's impact on the offensive end is greater than any basketball player in NBA history.

So you got him over Jordan offensively?

Yes.

Because Jordan averaged, what, 35 some seasons?

Yeah, better scorer, not as impactful offensively to me.

Because if you're factoring assists and steals.

I'm factoring in the gravity that he creates, the fact that he can stand 30 feet away from the basket and command two or three people to come at him.

The fact that he's the greatest off-ball player ever, the way he screens his teammates,

he's more impactful on the offensive end than anyone ever.

Wow.

What do you think think of Kevin Durant?

Kevin Durant is the second greatest scorer of all time.

Holy crap.

Yeah.

That's quite a statement.

What are you basing that off of?

Points per game, efficiency, the fact that he's 6'11 and plays like a point guard.

He can shoot it over anyone.

I think he would survive in any era.

He's the second-graded scorer behind Michael Jordan.

Okay.

Who do you have as third?

A man, third?

Kobe?

Okay.

Kobe?

That's a fact.

Yeah, I think Kobe deserves respect for sure.

That's a great question.

Third, I always think about one and two, but I like seldom do I think about third.

Yeah.

And obviously, LeBron, when it comes to any basketball skill, is like top five.

He is number one in points, right?

Yeah.

Like,

Kareem,

probably three, maybe Kobe four.

But yeah, LeBron is so good all around.

There's like not a single skill in basketball that he's not one of the best ever at.

And I don't think you can say that about any athlete in any other sport.

I love it.

You betting on the NBA finals?

I'm at the Celtics.

I got Celtics.

I'm thinking Celtics and six.

Wow.

What made you think the Celtics over the Mavs?

All the idiots picking the Mavs.

No,

I think they match up well.

You know, there were two matchups earlier.

The Celtics won.

It seems like the Celtics are best suited to Gar Kyrie.

Porzinga's coming back.

But the Mavericks, I mean, to get there,

great.

Have you been betting the whole playoffs?

Making picks the whole playoffs.

I mean, this was like, especially out of the east, the easiest to ever predict.

I mean,

a monkey could have picked the Celtics, right?

But I think the Timberwolves beating the Nuggets was really surprising.

That was shocking.

Yeah.

The Mavericks beat them in five.

It should have been four.

Yeah.

If Lively didn't get injured.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, Mavericks, Luca, Kyrie, Lively, P.J.

Washington at the deadline.

They've been making great moves all year, and they've the best player in the NBA.

Oh, yeah.

What's your best sport?

I would say best sport for predicting would be college football 25-0.

Holy crap.

Yeah.

25-0?

Yeah.

And is that the title game you bet on?

That's been every title game since I started picking, college bowl playoff, SEC championship, a lot of ranked matchups.

Damn, 25-0.

That's the best record I've ever heard.

I mean, you haven't lost.

No, I still haven't lost yet.

I had Michigan all the way from week three and had them in the natty and over Alabama as well.

What do you think makes you so good?

Because most sports better lose money, right?

Yeah, I think it's a combination of things.

I think a lot of it can be attributed to my eidetic memory and the fact that I love sports.

It's all I've been doing since I was four or five years old.

I have a lot of analytics that I follow, even some that I think I'm going to work on coming out with.

I was able to go to the MIT Sloan Sports and the List Conference when I was 17, learn a little bit more.

But yeah, I think the combination of memory, really knowing the sport, I was the youngest Division I coaching intern in the country with FAU when I was 16.

So I know football real well, and I grew up in boxing as well in the gym and everything like that.

That's impressive.

What do you think of the boxing scene right now?

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I love it.

I love it.

I think it's on the up and up.

And obviously, we had a period where Jake Paul and KSI and Logan and all these different guys had to really provide a lot of relevance for Gen Z and Gen Alpha.

But now that we've got Saudi Arabia and Your Excellency Turkey Al-Ashaik putting on these great fights, I think boxing is going to be in its best place.

It's been since like the 90s.

Yeah.

Did you bet on the Haney Garcia fight?

Oh, yeah.

I had Ryan.

Oh, you had Ryan?

I had Ryan.

Plus 550.

He was a heavy underdog.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Five and a half to one underdog.

Ryan's a cool guy, but they split in the amateurs 3-3 and the pros having the power advantage is a big difference, you know, smaller gloves, everything like that.

So I thought it was like a 60-40 fight for Ryan, and he was a huge underdog.

Wow.

I mean, now with the steroid stuff, though, it's looking interesting.

I don't know if

that's real or whatever.

Yeah,

I would strongly believe that it's not.

Really?

Yeah.

Because they did two tests and it came back positive, right?

Yeah, but look who's doing the test.

Who did it?

Vada, who's a privately owned owned,

sorry, privately owned organization, not government-owned.

They are very close with Victor Conte, who's Devin Haney's strength and conditioning coach, and who's also heavily involved in Balco, which was the Barry Bond steroid scandal.

Wow.

So when I look at Victor Conte and I see him providing boxer strength and conditioning advice for upwards of $100,000, I get a little bit suspicious.

And also with the fact that he's so close with Vada and all this stuff, but Ryan comes out.

I know they submitted a couple of his supplements for testing, and they both came back that they did have Ostrine in it.

And, you know, cross-contamination happens.

The factories make it all in the same labs and stuff.

So factory.

So I don't know.

I'm very, very skeptical about that.

And the fact that Devin Haney had a sports center interview lined up the day after that came out, even more weird.

Yeah, that is interesting.

I doubt Ryan would do that.

I mean, his whole life he didn't.

Why would he feel the need to do it now?

Two days before the fight?

That doesn't, even for a SARM, that's not even,

that wouldn't be be the best use case for it at all.

I mean, you would have cycled it, you know, months before that.

I know Derek Moore plays more dates.

I think you had him on the show.

He did a really good breakdown on it as well as

the chemistry side of it and things like that.

But from a boxing point of view, there's a lot of shady stuff going on.

And if I was a boxer, I wouldn't enroll in VADA testing.

I would outright refuse, which I think Tank is now doing.

And the only way I would work with VADA as a boxer, I know Tank came out and said that he's no longer going to work with them, would be if the government stepped in and oversaw it or if a commission governing body something like that stepped in to absolutely clear them of any collusion or corruption or anything like that looked into victor conte and his relationship with them and really cleared it all up because it seems like as of now they're not being put any under any they're not being put under any public pressure and a lot of people are coming at ryan garcia instead of defending him and aren't analyzing the relationship that victor has with devin and the relationship victor has with vada and uh also they're denying the the fact that the supplements came back contaminated, so it's all very suspicious.

I would want to see an entire full-length investigation done on Victor and Vada for sure.

If I was a boxer and thinking about enrolling in their testing, yeah, they're making Ryan do a hair test now, too.

Yeah, well,

I'm confident he'll come out vindicated.

Yeah, let's see what happens.

Who do you have as the goat for boxing?

The boxing goat, the greatest of all time, is Muhammad Ali.

Wow.

Yeah,

Floyd.

floyd's the best okay ali's the greatest uh but actually um the best boxer i've ever seen is roy jones jr wow yeah that's a hot take yeah um prime for prime i just it's he's the best i've ever watched damn so just purely eye test no statistics Yeah, I test-wise.

I mean, the fact that he went to heavyweight, I mean, he was undefeated and went all the way from, I believe, junior middleweight or middleweight all the way up to heavyweight and won the heavyweight title.

I mean,

I just know that Roy Jones Jr.

in his prime at middleweight, super middleweight, light heavyweight, there's no man that ever could have come close.

And I don't think I can say that about any other boxer.

Maybe Tyson in his prime?

No.

No.

I would have taken a couple guys over him.

Wow.

In his price.

Place Lewis.

Tyson, Mike.

George Foreman.

Yeah.

Okay.

Evander Holyfield beat him twice.

Would have been tougher.

I guess pre-Buster Douglas.

But yeah, there's some bad matchups.

I feel like.

But I think Mike would beat pretty much any of the current heavyweights for sure in his prime.

Yeah.

I was upset he dropped out recently.

Yeah, I think it's delayed.

Oh, it's delayed?

It's delayed, which is almost feels like a dropout, right?

Because I think it's going to be like, I think they're planning to November for the fight.

So it's a long delay.

Who you got on that one?

I've got Jake by knockout.

Whoa.

You think he's going to knock out Tyson?

I think Tyson, obviously, is such a legendary champion, but I mean, that was 30 years ago.

So I think Jake is going to catch him with a big right hand and knock him out.

Damn, yeah.

He's almost 60 now, right?

He's gotten up there.

So I believe a fight time will be 58 years old.

Holy crap.

Yeah, that's old for boxing.

Yeah, it's old for any sport, but especially boxing.

And Tyson, I mean, one of the most ferocious, ruthless punchers in the history of the sport.

What he did to Michael Spinks and so many other guys, and he looked great in the Roy Jones Jr.

fight not that long ago.

So, I mean, he could come out and shock the world.

I just don't see him having the punch resistance to take a prime 27-year-old Jake, who it's really hard.

I've seen it in sparring the last five years.

Yeah, we'll see what happens.

You bet on UFC also?

Yeah, yeah, I do a lot of UFC picks.

Who you got, McGregor and Chandler?

Brian McGregor would beat him 10 out of 10 times.

Yeah.

You know, it's such a hard fight to handicap.

I would go Chandler just based on

the partying and the leg break and everything like that.

But it's hard to envision Connor losing to a guy that much lower.

It would be sad.

Yeah.

It would be.

I mean, he hasn't won in what, seven years?

The Cowboys Ferroni fight was his last win in 2020, right before the pandemic.

So four years, yeah, but it's one win the last seven years.

Yeah, but that's not even like a prime cowboy.

That's no, it was like a nothing fight.

Yeah, I mean, you look good, but yeah, I agree.

Damn, yeah, he's he's falling hard, man.

I miss him in his prime.

Yeah, maybe he'll come back and prove everyone wrong.

I hope so.

I hope so, too.

Like, that'd be awesome.

Yeah, because UFC needs someone like that.

Yeah, absolutely.

I think the sports needs someone like that.

And I know he wants to do boxing 100%.

I know he's he's watching these Saudi fights and the Jake and the Tyson and the Ryan Garcia.

I know, I think I wouldn't be surprised if eventually they did him versus Ryan Garcia in Saudi Arabia boxing.

Well, the bag in boxing's higher and then you take less damage.

Yeah.

UFC, you're breaking bones.

Yeah, it seems like there's bigger names.

I mean, of course, besides McGregor, it seems like the bigger names are now in boxing.

Yeah, even UFC guys are switching over, right?

Yeah.

Because UFC, I feel like they've lost a lot of their stars.

Yeah, Usman switched over.

Yeah, Usman's, you know,

not quite, you know, the same level.

And even then, he's never sold that many besides Masvedal was on with him.

Nate Diaz is boxing now, Mazvidal.

And Israel Adasania lost.

So I feel like the Ryan Garcia, Jake Paul's, KSIs, Usik's, Furies are like becoming bigger stars.

Yeah, they're making more.

Yeah, they're definitely making a lot more, too.

That Fury, I think, just made $100 million.

What?

Tyson or the Tyson Fury.

Oh, off that last fight he lost?

Yeah, against alexander usick in saudi arabia crap they paid him a hundred mil for that they're saying fury made a hundred mil and usuk made 50 mil oh he made more even though he lost yeah and they're saying it sold like one and a half million pay-per-views at what price um i think it's i don't know a lot of it was in england so i think it's cheaper over there but i know they also got like 40 million in advertising damn i had a guess that they they took a bath but i think it's it makes perfect sense for them to advertise um all their tourism destinations and and the fact that you know it's it's a great place to i mean i went to saudi i I had a great time.

I've never been out there.

You like it, though?

Yeah, I had a great time.

I went to Abu Dhabi as well,

Dubai.

And yeah, and then Saudi.

Best food I've ever had at the four seasons there.

Seriously?

In Saudi?

So, I mean, Ronaldo lives there, so you know the food's pretty good.

He got baggage.

The four seasons.

Yeah, he got it bagged.

I was in the lobby and with

Jake and the team, and

the team.

And

Kevin Hart was there doing a comedy show.

Ronaldo's on the top floor.

It was crazy.

That's crazy.

Who do you have as your goat for for the UFC I would say

John Jones same John Jones is the goat yeah yeah yeah John Jones is um if you're going off of the most unstoppable it's it's John Jones you know at his peak um against Shogun and and Glover and the second you know DC fight I mean he's just

I don't know how anyone could come close to him at his peak.

Especially that weight class where one punch you could get knocked out and he's been able to just evade all of that.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, the way he uses reach and and optimizes length his kicks his elbows is um so creative um he had great inside fighting terrific grappling um

just great eyes uh everything you could want in a mixed martial arts fighter but is his legacy somewhat diminished because of the steroids it is yeah can't deny that right right so i you know did you take him off the goat list and put someone like george st.

Pierre at the top because of that you know that would be the discussion if it wasn't for that it'd be unanimous I think oh yeah 100% and no doubt and if John I mean, if he goes out and defends his heavyweight belt a couple of times, it's like, you know, harder than I am GOAT status in combat sports because of his dominance in a sport that's evolved so much.

And, you know,

in my opinion, if you put every man in the history of the world in a room, I think John Jones would come out last.

That's wild.

He's the baddest man to ever live.

So I love that.

You've been following this WNBA drama?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I've been following WNBA drama.

I don't like it for the sport.

And I actually went to a um, a fever game, you know, Caitlin Clark against LA, and uh,

I don't like it for the sport.

I, I, um, I think a lot of it's getting politicized, and I don't think that's the route to go.

I would like to see it be about the sport, right?

I'm like Asia Wilson here in Vegas, she's the best player in the league by a mile.

She's averaging like 29 a game in short quarters as well, and no one really talks about it because everyone's talking about all this, and uh, seems like the girls are, I don't know, like getting real personal and dragging each other to the floor.

So, I would,

and if you're going to do that, I think the teammates have to stick up for one another.

It needs to be an enforcer, like three months ed, you know.

The girl that dragged Caitlin down should have gotten hit for sure by one of Caitlin's teammates.

So I didn't like how no one came to her to go.

No one.

That's your prize star.

Like you should be defending it, right?

Yeah, especially, you know, I'm sure she's a nice girl.

I didn't like that.

So I think if you're going to do the hard fouls, I don't have a problem with that.

The teammates have to step in and

make sure that they think twice.

Absolutely.

It was interesting to see LeBron talk about it because he said that happened to him too when he came in the league.

Yeah, absolutely.

You know, you're always going to have a target on your back when, but at the end of the day, Caitlin Clark's the reason they're on charter flights, right?

I mean, they went from spirit to charter flights.

That's just the, that's the truth of the matter, you know?

She's, I mean, she kind of bossed up all their lives.

So I think they should really be appreciative instead of so jealous.

But I think they should be because the WNBA hasn't had a single profitable year.

No.

And definitely not.

And now they're on track to do that in a few years.

Yeah, and you know, the other rookies as well, Angel Reese, you know, she's got celebrities coming out to the games and stuff, and Cameron Brink.

Um, but yeah, I mean, Caitlin's the she's the one who made that change happen.

Absolutely.

You got a pod with Lamar Odom?

Yeah, and Caitlin Jenner.

Oh, yeah, that's cool.

How'd that start?

Um, a

pretty uh off-the-wall guy.

I know, uh, Steve Marcano, who's a mutual friend with Lamar, had this idea, and they call it Keeping Up with Sports.

And obviously, when you hear me, Caitlin Jenner, Lamar Odom on a podcast, you're like, I wonder if that would work, right?

Um, you're trying to picturing the chemistry or whatever but uh i uh it's an honor to be working with two two legends of the sport and uh lamar an olympian uh six man of the year to two-time nba champion alongside kobe bryant uh caitlin formerly bruce the cath lead world record holder drafted the nba i don't know if you knew that bruce jenner was drafted the nba that's crazy yeah um college football player so um get you know sharing uh knowledge with with two athletes like that and who have lived such crazy lives uh lamar obviously had the traumatic brain injury and 12 strokes, six heart attacks.

She lived through it.

I saw the bed.

It's in the haunted museum here in Vegas.

It's in the haunted museum.

Yeah, Zach Fagans Museum.

Wow.

I hope Lamar gets paid off that.

Yeah, they have it.

And they leverage Lamar's story when they do it.

All right.

Well, at least I hope Lamar gets a little bag.

And Caitlin, obviously, being, you know, decathlete, record holder, Wheaties box star, Kardashian, Jenner's.

I mean, you know, her daughters and woman of the year.

Like, what kind of a,

you know, who has a crazier resume than that?

So, um, we had Sugarway Leonard on the first episode, and he went really deep and even opened up about like his childhood abuse.

Wow.

Yeah, so I think it's really become like a really safe space for our guests, and it's has a therapeutic fuel and one where, you know, people feel comfortable opening up with

everything that's, you know, been going on in their careers and childhoods and things.

We had Steve O on, Bryce Hall.

So I'm really excited for that to come out for for sure.

That's a fun show, dude.

Yeah, these fighters, man, they have a lot of trauma.

I saw Sean Strickland on Theo Vaughan.

He was like crying on there.

And it's good to have a platform they could speak about.

Yeah, absolutely.

A lot of these shows are, you know, go for gotcha moments or, you know, really try to make you feel comfortable to get a clip.

But there's not a lot of uplifting or, you know, really

true.

journalism, you know, the integrity is getting lost.

It's gone.

It's been gone.

Mainstream is just about clips and what that guy to say.

Yeah, and, you know, you'll get the clips from people opening up.

And, you know, TMZ leaked the show's announcement and they grabbed that clip.

And obviously, it was a time where he was vulnerable, but I think he appreciated that he had the platform to speak on that and be comfortable and not have people make jokes.

And then 50 Cent comes out and said it was Diddy

that day.

But what are you going to do?

That's the internet, right?

Oh, man.

That Diddy stuff is crazy.

Yeah.

Holy crap.

We can't even talk on that.

We'll get canceled.

But, oh, do you bet on power slap?

Power slap?

No.

No?

No.

Do you work with PowerSlap?

I go to the events.

It's fun.

Have you been?

Okay, I have not been.

You got to come.

There's

a month after UFC 304, I think.

I have

a lot of respect for Dana's business acumen and all his ideas and stuff.

I have never seen it with PowerSlap.

I don't quite understand it still.

Really?

There's no defense.

You just kind of sit there and get slapped.

So it doesn't seem like a sport of skill or anything like that.

Um, I hate that women are doing it and getting knocked out.

The fat guys are pretty funny, though.

Yeah, I like seeing the fat guys get knocked out, but uh,

I guess I understand the virality.

I know it does really well in Rumble, I believe.

Yeah, and I know they're doing an event in Saudi, so I, I, I, from that perspective, I get it.

Um, if you got offered a million dollars to do it, would you do it?

Hell yeah, oh, yeah.

Well, who am I going against?

Uh, Jake Paul.

Oh, well, get knocked out for a million dollars.

Uh, I get knocked out for a million dollars, okay.

You're rational about it.

Yeah.

You know, probably get a few viral clips, you know, get a lot of clout.

Yeah.

Yeah, that would break the internet.

I mean, who was that guy that got?

Didn't Bryce Hall get knocked out?

I know Logan knocked someone out.

Logan knocked someone out.

Yeah, did you see that when Logan lined the guy up with the slap?

Oh, thank you for cash guy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, he got wiped.

Yeah, Logan.

He was fake.

Yeah, definitely was not fake.

I'll tell you that.

I've talked to Logan about that.

That was real.

Damn.

Yeah.

Yeah, he came out later saying it was faked and staged.

I might say that too if I got knocked out like that.

Yeah, I wouldn't want to admit that ever.

Yeah.

So I think he did a good job cap.

I know Slap for Cash is like, you know, he's doing good on Instagram and stuff like that.

So I guess it worked.

What else are you working on?

My show of Pac-Man Jones, Pac-Man, Zach.

You know, we covered football every single week and we've continued with it, you know, covering sports and culture and going out to fights.

And, you know, he's someone that I consider a really good friend off camera and a true partner.

And he's someone that gets very misrepresented in the media and vilified.

Earlier this year, he was arrested on September 11th on an airplane.

Yeah, I know that.

So

he obviously, people, you know, say a lot of bad things about him.

And, you know, I'm sure he's made mistakes in his past, but he's a great mentor.

He's adopted his late teammate's son.

And he was on a flight.

He had bought two flights.

He was getting ready to do Monday Night Football.

And his charger didn't work, charge his tablet.

He had a study for Monday Night Football.

So he said, The flight then didn't miss.

Can I change seats?

So, no, sorry, it wasn't a miss.

It was a man.

And he kind of ignored it, whatever.

And he comes back around.

He's like, I'm going to have to switch seats.

You know, I got to charge my tablet.

They go, well, if you switch seats, we're going to have to turn the plane around.

He goes, what?

I just want to change seats.

They go, no, we're going to turn the plane around.

He goes, all right, turn the plane around.

So

they turn the plane around.

He walks off the tarmac.

Police tackle him.

What?

They charge him with terrorism.

No.

They said he was intoxicated when he wasn't drinking.

He kept asking to do breathalyzer.

They wouldn't give him a breathalyzer.

He said the bar was closed, even if I wanted to drink.

Holy crap.

What airline was this?

I don't know.

That's a good question.

And he was united.

It was united.

Damn, that's a shame.

And I know all the charges got expunged.

And I don't know if...

So he missed that day.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah,

definitely, you know, and it's just like another case of someone

he's also constantly getting like go at it in public and people trying to get a reaction out of him.

This is someone who's, you know, like I said, adopted his late teammates' children, his mentor in his community, has brought me to places that I never would have been to.

And just an all-around great guy.

So I played in Floyd celebrity basketball game with him.

Yeah.

And he was

sticking up for me, dude, to be honest.

He was a good dude.

Yeah.

He was nice at ball, too.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

He was McDonald's All-American.

Oh, I didn't know that.

Yeah, he was dunking at 14.

Damn.

He's only 5'9 now, so I don't know how tall he was then, but he was dunking in-game and stuff.

And I know his team was Georgia State champion.

They went undefeated his freshman year.

Yeah, so I think it's one of the part of the best teams ever.

I mean, Pac-Man, Stitcher Athlete, he could have, obviously, he was a great professional football player, all-pro, Pro Bowl, number five pick, but he could have been an NBA player.

He's now really good at golf.

I know he's want to talk about that, but he is.

I got to get into golf.

I'm sure he could have been an MLB player.

I'm sure he could have been a professional soccer player.

He's just that.

He ran a 4-2-5.

Holes pro.

Like, he's just such a ridiculous athlete that, you know, no matter what, he could have been pro in anything.

Were you an athlete growing up?

Probably pretty similar to Pac-Man.

Yeah.

We were nice.

No.

You didn't play anything?

No, I played sports growing up, but, you know, not at a, listen, I played at a college professional level.

I already did it.

Yeah.

No, I didn't have your height.

Come in handy.

I didn't have PAC speed.

And no, I played football, basketball growing up.

You know, whatever was around.

I was always keeping busy playing sports.

We'll have to hoop one of these days.

Yeah, we'll have to hoop.

But I at least want PAC on my team.

We'll get PAC.

All right.

We'll get PAC.

We'll run.

We'll find two others and make a solid run out of it.

All right.

All right.

All right.

Are you a power forward or what?

Yeah, power forward.

Yeah, I play in the lifetime leagues out here.

Okay.

Oh, so you're like Sirius Rec?

We just won the chip, bro.

Yeah.

Now, all right.

I'm not bad.

Are you like inside getting rebounds?

Fast break layups.

I get two steals a game.

I get 10 rebounds.

All right.

Yeah, I'm decent.

All right, you're pretty decent.

Did you play college?

No, I did track in high school.

I could have done track in college.

I ran a 440 mile.

Wow.

Yeah, 440 mile.

Yeah.

Holy shit.

Which is decent.

It's not like pretty fast.

It's not D1 level, though.

No, but I mean D1, you need need a 420.

Wow.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

Now there's people running sub-4.

It's like.

Yeah, that I know.

Yeah.

People are so athletic these days.

How fast is the Kenyan guy, the marathon time?

Oh, my God.

He's running a mile 26 times under four minutes every time.

Imagine that.

I mean, that's like the, like, no one talks about it.

That's like one of the craziest sports accomplishments ever.

No, it is.

To do that?

It's insane.

Like, imagine running a four-minute mile 26 times.

No, I can't imagine it.

I can't imagine it.

And like the athletes that aren't in football and basketball don't get like looked at as much.

But like, I mean, you're saying Bolt never lost a race in the Olympics.

Yep.

Literally won gold every single time.

I just had Justin Gatlin on.

Yeah, Michael Phelps had like four times as many gold males as anyone else ever.

26.

These guys are ridiculous.

Yeah, 26.

Nuts.

What do you think the hardest sport to go pro in is?

Hardest sport to go pro in is?

Maybe, ooh, I'm probably.

Well, like major sport is probably baseball.

Major, yeah.

Yeah.

I would say baseball would require the most skill.

Okay.

But it's probably something that you have to pick up when you're a young person.

Because football, I mean, if you're a good enough athlete, you can pick it up real late.

You know, like Ziggy Ansa picked it up, I think, 19.

And basketball requires a little bit more skill, too.

Football, you obviously need the toughness for, but I would say baseball requires the most skill.

I would say basketball for me.

Really?

Just because you look at how long these guys last in the league on average, it's like two years max.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's definitely, but, you know, like Akeem Elijah was a soccer player, converts to basketball.

I think NBA pretty quick.

It's easier to get in the NBA.

Now it's like you have to be, you have to shoot now, even if you're a big.

Yeah, that's true.

I think Hakeem would be the league's best player.

Right now?

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

Best defender of all time.

Incredible post-game.

Carried his team to two finals runs post Jordan.

You know, he was playing baseball.

I think he had games where like 30 plus points, seven blocks, four steals.

Jeez.

Yeah, Hakeem, probably the most underrated superstar of all time.

You got Hakeem over Shaq?

Right together, the two of them, you know, probably and Kareem.

Yeah, you know, all three of them are the three best bigs ever.

Okay.

But yeah, I mean, Hakeem, just like unbelievable.

And I would say the only person in NBA history to truly carry his team to a finals victory.

Hakeem.

Hakeem is.

And everyone says Dirk.

And if you look at the roster, you would think that.

Those guys were shooting lights out in the finals.

And he was great.

He had help.

Like, Jason Terry was going off, uh, Sean Marion, Jason Kidd, but Hakeem didn't have anyone.

Like, it was like Otis Smith.

Yeah.

I don't even think, no, I don't, I don't even know if Kenny Smith did play in that first finals, I think, 95, 96, 90, around there.

He didn't play well.

Because I've looked at the stats.

I think Otis Thorpe was the second best player.

12 points a game, like 40% from the field.

carried his team against Ewing.

Damn, that's interesting.

So you study a lot of the stats.

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, I was

kind of nerdy.

I like seeing the points after every game.

Yeah.

Spread.

I go like full analytics and like, I mean, I don't go like Raptor and Vorp and all that, but I don't even know what that is.

Oh, yeah, that's like, if you really want to get geeky, you talk about Raptor and Vorp, but player efficiency rating and, you know, true shooting percentage, EFG, stuff like that.

How does true shooting percentage work?

So they calculate things like

the

like assigned value for the shot and also your free throw percentage.

And it's like a oh it factors in every single shot yeah it's like a if especially free throws like so Shaq obviously wouldn't be as good true shooting and then like Steph Curry's true shooting percentage like out of this world yeah like consistently like I don't think he's ever been below 56% on a finals run like something absolutely ridiculous

what's the best metric to measure how skilled a player is in possible I would say PER I know player efficiency rating I think is really like if you look at the all-time highest PER seasons it's like a lot of Michael Jordan's Will Chamberlain's LeBron sneaks in there.

I think Steph's 2016 season.

So I think that's a

pretty good indicator.

And that's not the only reason why Michael Jordan's better than LeBron, but it's part of it.

You got Jordan or LeBron as the goat?

Jordan's the goat.

Okay.

You were confident with that.

Michael Jordan's the greatest player to ever touch a basketball.

What if Braun wins one or two more?

Then we might have to rediscuss this.

Okay.

Jordan's six is just, and if he didn't retire, he would have had seven or eight.

Yeah, I mean, I look at the fact that he's never come close to being outplayed in a final series.

Um, I mean, happened maybe in a playoff series once, so um, six and oh, six, like stellar performances.

And people talk about how he never won before Pippin.

Nobody would have won with those teams he had before Pippin.

I mean, he was scoring 63 against the Larry Bird Celtics as a kid my age and losing.

Yeah, like,

I don't know where people, you know, come up with that.

I mean, the guy is the greatest scorer of all time, no doubt.

And then, oh, Kevin Durant, second, but you know, oh, second, yeah, damn, Scores, yeah.

MJ1, KD2.

And then Michael Jordan has the most all-defensive first-team selections ever as well.

And you look at all his final stats and his efficiency.

And, you know, and then the argument a lot of people have is zone defense, right?

For a while it was illegal.

You know, you couldn't guard players the same way.

You couldn't double them, stuff like that.

Michael Jordan didn't have the same spacing, right?

Everyone can shoot the three now.

You have way more spacing.

Imagine Michael Jordan with that spacing, you know?

I don't know if MJ would score as many points now, but I think you'd have a lot more assists, and he would be the league's best player right now, no doubt.

The fouls back then were nasty, dude.

Yeah, I see videos of them, absolutely.

Um, yeah, Bad Boy Pistons, Bill Lambert, Dennis Rodman, um, Hakeem, the greatest defender of all time, uh, Matumbo.

What's the best team of all time?

Draymond Green says it's his Warriors in 16.

He's right, 17 or 17, yeah, yeah.

The 2017 Warriors.

He got more than 96 bowls, yeah, for sure.

Wow, and the 2,000 Lakers?

Yeah, because him and Shaq were debating who would win that.

The Warriors would win.

Really?

Yeah.

Wow.

I mean, you had a 73-win team and you added Kevin Durant.

Yeah, when you put it like that.

I mean, that Cavs team was great, and they like wiped him out.

I mean, KD averaged 35 a game in that finals and like 45% from three.

I mean, he was

out of this world.

I think the first one was five games.

Second one was a sweep.

But I think they swept him after Kyrie left.

But I mean, you're going against LeBron, Kyrie Kevin Love like that's like a great historic team yeah like that would have won the chip this year yeah prime Kyrie probably

LeBron back in I mean this is eight years ago I mean the league's best player so um

yeah that warriors team is the greatest team play in his prime too yeah before the ACL terror yeah

when he was a you know great defender obviously probably second greatest shooter ever maybe third yeah you think he's done though Clay yeah he's done yeah I think so it It seems like he has a mental block.

It seems that.

Plus, he's not the same physically.

It's just.

I think Clay would really benefit from Marcel hypnotized.

I was just going to say that.

Yeah, and I'm serious.

You should line that up for.

Listen, if someone comes across Clay, I think it would really help.

Yeah.

I mean, he helped Jake Paul with his mental block.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

And, but, you know, Clay in these big games recently, since the ACL seems to, I mean, his nickname used to be Game 6 Clay.

And last year he goes like one for 12 from three, game six against the Lakers.

And this year he had zero points in the

play-in game, or whatever.

I mean, yeah, so he's got a, it seems like, to me, a mental block in big games right now, which he never had before.

So I'm sure it has to do with the injuries.

And he's come back from a lot, and

you know,

he's done more than enough.

So he's a holiday.

Four rings is more than enough.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Dude, it's been fun.

Anything you want to promote or close off with?

No, I would

keep an eye out for keeping up with sports with me, Caitlin Jenner, Lamar Odom, Pack and Zach, coming at you every single week.

My partner, Jadekiss, you know, we had Kiss in the Mist for World Star Hip Hop.

We might be looking at a reboot potentially.

So

I got a lot coming up for sure.

Cool.

We'll link it all below.

Thanks for coming on, man.

Thank you.

Thanks for watching, guys.

As always, see you tomorrow.