Avoid These Aging Mistakes: Doctor Reveals Surprising Truths | Dr. Amy Killen DSH #747

So, you were in emergency medicine for a bit and then you transitioned?

I worked in the emergency departments in mostly in Austin and Tucson for about 10 years.

And then, in 2013, I have three kids.

I'd had three kids within two years, and my husband had moved out of state, taking care of these kids by myself.

I was working in the ER and getting up at like four in the morning to go to work every day.

And I was looking out at like all these people waiting to be seen in the ER.

And I just realized that if I didn't get my act together, I was going to be those people in five years.

All right, guys, got Dr.

Amy Killen here today.

We're going to talk stem cells.

Yay.

Fun topic.

And you do it in the US, which is unique.

I do, yes.

I get a lot of people messaging me from other countries to get them, but I haven't seen any in the US.

Yeah, we can do them.

We just have some limitations.

We can't do quite the same things that you can do out of the country.

Got it.

I'm sure you get a ton of athletes, people looking to recover, right?

We get some athletes.

We get a lot of kind of biohackers and people who are just really into, you know, health and wellness.

And then we also get people who just have injuries or have you know, I do a lot with skin and sexual health, so I get a lot of people who just have issues and they want some help and they don't want to travel too far away.

So, what skin problems can stem cells help with?

Just general aging, so we can increase collagen production as well as elastin and hyaluronic acid.

So, helping with structure of your skin and hydration and you know, fine lines and things like that.

So, just really improving skin quality as you get older and also helping to prevent some of the aging that happens as well.

Is it true the body stops producing collagen after 25?

It slows way down.

Yeah, your production goes like after 25, it's just a

slow road to

no collagen.

That's pretty young to start dropping drastically at 25.

And we also see increased breakdown of collagen as you get older because you have more exposure to the sun, you have more exposure to environmental toxins and things like that.

So you're making less and you're also breaking down more.

And so it's this like you know two-pronged thing.

It's bad.

Yeah.

So do you advise people to take collagen supplements then?

I do like collagen.

I think it can be helpful.

There are some studies that have some pretty good results.

I think that the main things are making sure that you're avoiding the sun, at least in the areas where you are worried about, you know, so I like the sun in general.

I think it's great.

But if you're worried about skin aging, like on your face, the sun isn't great for that.

That's why when you see people in Florida or like beach towns, they look old.

Their skin looks super wrinkly.

Yeah.

The sun is, you know, it's one of these things where it has so many benefits, and we definitely don't want to stay out of the sun completely.

And there are studies, there's a study in Sweden that showed that people who stayed out of the sun had, you know, significantly increased risk of of just dying in general and it was on par with smoking cigarettes holy crap and so those who are really avoiding the sun you're increasing your risk of you know diabetes and obesity and multiple cancers and all of these things because the sun does have benefits however it also causes rapid aging at the skin um especially in your face and neck and of course skin cancer is possible as well yeah i just got my blood results back my vitamin d3 was low and one of the doctors told me dr sean o'mara uh told me to get sunlight i love sean yes the visceral fat guy oh he scared the shit out of me with my MRI results, too.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, he knows his stuff, though.

He does.

He talks a lot about that.

It's really important.

I think visceral fat is really important.

He's great at that.

Yeah.

I had a ton.

He showed me his chart compared to mine, and he's 61.

His was way better than mine.

I was like, wow.

Yeah, he's very impressive.

Super impressive.

And then I saw Brian Johnson's post on sunlight.

So he only does it in the morning and late afternoon because he said when the UV ray is above three or something, it's damaging to the skin.

Yeah.

I mean, I think that you could just kind of everything in moderation, right?

Like I like a little sun on my body.

I think it feels great.

It does, it's great for your mood.

It's great for increasing nitric oxide, which is good for blood flow.

There's all kinds of hormonal benefits, but at the same time, you don't want to get too much or your skin will start to age more quickly.

Yeah.

How damaging are these beauty products and like body washes and deodorants on the skin?

I think you got to be careful for sure.

There's a lot of chemicals and, you know, if there's, if there are fragrances in there, artificial fragrances,

there's likely to be chemicals.

There's oftentimes, you know, endocrine disrupting chemicals in it, I mean, everywhere in the environment, certainly in beauty products, but also just everywhere.

So I think that going for more clean brands,

more healthy brands is definitely a good idea if you could do it.

Do you do any lasers?

Yeah,

we would do some different lasers

to get rid of sunspots, to help with fine lines and wrinkles.

I think that lasers can be really beneficial in combination.

You can do stem cells for skin health.

You can do lasers for skin tightening as well as other things like pigments.

You can do

surgeries as well, of course, but there's all different ways to treat your skin and they all do different things.

Yeah, I've done it twice.

Definitely helps.

Yeah.

I had some big hyperpigmentation because I never wore sunscreen going up.

I was that cool kid or whatever.

Yeah.

And I was an outdoor runner and I thought it was cool not to wear it.

Yeah.

And I had so much sun damage on my face.

The first time I ever had an IPL, which is the kind of laser that you did probably.

I'd been on a month-long backpacking trip in the Wind River Range in Wyoming.

So we were backpacking for a month

with carrying like these 80-pound backpacks.

It was ridiculous.

But yeah, it was too much.

But it was fun.

But I came back with just.

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So much sudden damage.

Like my whole face was like, it was like a different, I was like spotted.

Yeah.

Like a leper, leopard.

And so, yeah, I did an IPL and my skin just completely sloughed off.

And it was like, it was the most dramatic thing I've ever seen from a laser.

It was my very first time.

And since then, it hasn't been as dramatic, but I do think it's great.

That's impressive.

What's the science behind it?

Is it just your skin healing over the bad skin?

It's basically, it pulls the

pigment out of the skin.

So it's actually

going straight to the pigment.

It pulls it out, and then you kind of are able to slough it off, and you get new skin growth underneath it.

That's cool.

A month in Wyoming.

What animals were you seeing out there?

We saw everything.

We saw bears, we saw bison, we saw,

you know, we saw all kinds of animals, and we've had to go over like really some pretty serious mountain passes and go in the snow.

And it was, it was true, it was the hardest thing I'd ever done up to that point in my life.

That sounds really difficult.

Yeah.

Any moments where the animals got vicious?

The animals did not get too vicious.

I think it was more like our own internal psyche that was vicious.

Like, I remember halfway in sitting on a stream, like, I was like washing out my underwear because you only have like one bear, one pair of stuff.

Oh, that's it.

Like, keep watching.

Yeah, you're because you're carrying like everything on your back for an entire month.

So you don't have a lot of stuff.

And so I'm washing out my clothes.

And and I just, you know, I'm being attacked by mosquitoes because they're everywhere and you can't get away from them.

And, you know, I'm, I had these huge bruises on my hips and on my shoulders for my backpack was so big and I'm fairly, I was fairly small.

Anyway, I just started bawling.

And I'm not a crier.

Like I'm not someone who cries usually.

And I was like, why am I crying?

Like, what's going on?

But I think, you know, you're just, you're out in the elements the entire time.

It's hard every single day.

And you really, you just learn like what you could do.

Were you solo?

No, we had a whole, we had a group of,

there was like 20 of us.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, it was a whole group, and we were all doing the whole thing together.

And what sparked this?

Did you want a spiritual awakening or something?

I had just finished college, and I was going to be going to medical school.

And I just wanted to do something.

I worked at Yellowstone National Park doing the period of college a few times, like for the summers.

I worked for summers there.

So I got into backpacking and outdoor activities and just thought it'd be fun to, you know, to push myself and learn something different.

Yellowstone is beautiful.

It's beautiful.

It was one of my favorite childhood trips.

It's a great job.

If you're a young person looking for a job, go get a job at Yellowstone or any of the national park.

There's so many fun jobs.

You can spend the whole weekend, the whole summer there, and it's, it's super fun.

I love it.

So you were in emergency medicine for a bit, and then you transitioned?

Yeah, I did my residency in ER.

So that's a

three-year residency.

And then I worked in the emergency departments in mostly in Austin and Tucson for about 10 years.

And then in 2013,

I have three kids, and I'd had three kids within two years.

And my husband had moved out of state for a job.

So I had, yeah, I had like twins.

Trying to do the math.

How does this work?

I had twins plus one.

Oh, god.

And they were all under two for a while.

And then my husband had moved out of state for a job.

And so I was basically like, I was taking care of these kids by myself.

I was working in the ER and getting up at like four in the morning to go to work every day.

And as you might imagine, not sleeping well, not eating well, not exercising, kind of like about to lose my mind.

And

I realized I would go to work and it was, you know, I was kind of not doing well.

And I remember one day I showed up at the office, my ER, and I was looking out at like all these people waiting to be seen in the the ER.

You know, they've had heart attacks and strokes and chronic, all these chronic medical conditions.

And I just realized that if I didn't get my act together, I was going to be those people in five years or 10 years.

Like I was going to be on the other side with a chronic medical condition that I could have prevented if I'd had the education and the wherewithal to do that.

So I just made the switch to learning more about how do we prevent disease versus just treat it.

The holistic route, right?

Yeah.

They don't teach you that in med school.

Not the one I went to.

I went to a traditional medical school, and I'm a medical doctor, so we didn't get too much of that.

I hope they start offering it, though, in classes.

That'd be really cool to see.

We're seeing more lifestyle medicine being offered.

It's still not enough, but there's a lot that is not taught.

They don't talk about hormones that much outside of just basic endocrinology, which is super important as you get older.

I focus a lot on hormones in my practice.

There's a lot of things that they don't teach that you have to just learn on your own as you get going.

Yeah, what problems are you seeing with hormones right now with your patients?

So I treat a lot of men and women in their like 35 to 55 year range.

So in women, perimenopause, menopause.

In men, andropause, which is testosterone declining.

So we see a lot of just all the things that go along with those hormonal changes that can be fixed or at least changed with lifestyle, supplements, and medications.

I'm out of 572 testosterone.

You think that's good for my age?

The main question is, what's your free testosterone?

I'd have to look it up.

So free testosterone is the active form of testosterone, and it's not bound to protein, meaning that it can be active in your body.

So you could have, you know, you're kind of middle range for your total testosterone.

So it definitely could be higher.

But what I would look at more closely is if free testosterone is, you know, in the upper end of the range or in the lower end, and you really want that to be in the upper end of the range.

Got it.

So that one's more important than that.

That's more important because it's telling you what's actually active in your body.

Okay.

Yeah.

I need to look at that one then.

Yeah.

I just got a blood test.

Which those are kind of controversial.

I'm a fan of them.

I get them every year.

Yeah.

Some people say what you eat like affects it.

I don't know.

No, I like blood tests.

I think blood tests are great and they're good tests for hormones.

It doesn't tell you everything, but it tells you a lot.

And it's a good way to know from year to year or every six months or whatever how you're doing.

And if you can see big changes, then you know you got to make a change yourself.

Yeah.

What do you think about people injecting hormones?

I think that there's some good, I mean, testosterone, it can be, is injected.

It's great.

You know, men do it traditionally, but women can do it as well just at a lower dose.

Women usually get about a tenth of the dose that men get for testosterone.

And there's no FDA approved testosterone for women.

So, even though women have more testosterone in their bodies than they do estrogen, there's still no FDA-approved testosterone for women.

So, we have to basically steal men's testosterone and use it in women at lower doses.

I wonder why that hasn't passed yet.

That's weird.

I don't know.

I don't know.

There's a lot of questions about why it hasn't passed yet, but we're able to prescribe it as doctors, but we just have to know how to dose the testosterone that's already out there.

Yeah.

So, I know testosterone is dropping as men.

Are women having issues with estrogen levels right now?

Estrogen levels aren't so much changing, but we do see, I mean, there are some changes in like, you know, when girls start their periods has changed a little bit.

We're certainly seeing exogenous estrogens out in the world that are affecting other hormones.

I don't know that anyone's looked at, you know, things like, are the actual levels, you know, during perimenopause and before that changing as much as are people having symptoms from other things in the environment.

Yeah, because I know microplastics are affecting the testosterone, right?

Yeah, they're affecting everything.

Yeah.

You probably saw the study where they found them

in the atherosclerotic plaque in the arteries now.

Yeah.

And the testicles.

And the testes.

Yeah.

And the testes.

I just came out.

They're everywhere.

And the heart, too.

Got a heart surgeon.

My brother is a hydrologist, so he works with the U.S.

Geological Survey.

He's a hydrologist.

And he, for like a decade, he's been doing these water samples all over the world, you know, all over the place, especially like in like very remote creeks and rivers and things.

And he's been telling me for like 10 years, Amy, there's there's all this plastic in our rivers, you know, in like remote parts of Wyoming and Montana and places where it really shouldn't be.

And so he, he's been forever, you know, been an advocate of being very careful and filtering water and not using a lot of these products.

But

it's taking me a little while for everybody else to do.

You probably thought he was crazy 20 years ago.

I did.

I was like, yeah, it's fine.

And I'm like, oh, wait, you're right.

Yeah.

I wonder if there's a fix or if we're just in too deep.

I don't know.

I think that we're in pretty deep.

Yeah.

Actually,

you got to be really careful what water you drink these days, actually.

It can really impact your health.

Yeah.

Scary stuff.

What about exosomes?

What are those?

So exosomes are, I call them like little messenger bubbles that are the way that stem cells communicate with other cells.

So, you know, with stem cell therapies, what we're doing is we're taking stem cells either from someone else or from yourself and putting them somewhere else in your body.

And we're trying to get your own cells to become more active and to like act like more youthful cells.

That's kind of how stem cell therapies work.

And so the exosomes are one of the ways stem cells communicate with other cells.

They're like these little bubbles of information.

So we can actually just use exosomes instead of actual cells in some cases to have the same benefits as stem cells, but without having to actually give you someone else's cells or DNA.

Got it.

Got it.

That would interest me more because I'm pretty spiritual.

I don't know if I want someone else's DNA in my body.

Yeah.

I mean, you'd still be getting their messenger RNA and you'd still be getting their, you know, like their growth factors and cytokines and things like that.

But the exosomes are interesting because they can, they have, they're very, very small and they can cross the blood-brain barrier.

So you can give exosomes in your IV, in your vein, and they actually can get into your brain without having to do anything special.

Wow.

They can get through the skin.

So you can actually give them topically as like a lotion and they can eventually, after like 20 hours, get in through your skin barriers.

So they have some benefits over stem cells in that they're just much more versatile and they're much smaller.

And I think eventually we'll see a lot more of these sort of over-the-counter exosome products available to consumers at a lower cost than stem cells.

I wonder if stem cells would help with brain injuries because I just got a brain scan at Amen Clinics and I had a TBI.

Yes, exosomes is what I recommend.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

And I'm not a brain specialist, but there's a lot of research looking at giving exosomes IV after concussions or any kind of TBI.

They've done research in spinal cord injuries and all kinds of things.

And again, because they cross the blood-brain barrier, you don't have to do anything fancy.

You just have to give them in your IV.

And when you have an injury, the injury sends out like this response in your body that's like kind of like a homing response.

Like it's like alert that tells the stem cells or exosomes to come to that area.

Wow.

And so it's very interesting.

But so essentially, I would write, you know, if I had a head and head injury, I would absolutely get exosomes out.

I need to look into that.

That is cool.

I didn't know the body was that smart where it could just direct it wherever it needs to go.

Super smart.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Now, you said you socialize on the sexual health side, right?

I do a lot of sexual health, yes.

So how do stem cells help with sex life?

So I inject stem cells and exosomes directly into the penis and into the clitoris and the entire top part of the vaginal wall.

And so, in both men and women, I use them.

And what does that do exactly?

So, they do the same things as I do anywhere else.

You're increasing blood flow, so increasing blood vessel formations, and you're increasing, you're decreasing inflammation, you're increasing repair of the tissue itself.

So, if you need more collagen, if you need more, you know, more elastic smooth muscle cells, kind of whatever has happened throughout aging or injury could potentially be repaired with stem cells and exosome.

So for men, for instance, we see improvement in quality erections, ability to get erections, we see improvement in sensitivity, and the same kinds of things with women, just more pleasure, ability to

reach orgasm easier, things like that.

So you could fix erectile dysfunction.

Well, I mean, sometimes, not always, unfortunately, but like I use stem cells in combination with something like shock wave therapy in men is amazing.

It's a device that just supplies high-intensity pressure waves or sound waves to the penis, and it is incredible at increasing and improving retile dysfunction if it's not too bad.

So, we use that in combination.

Yeah, and that is like you can do it as an out, you know, you just walk in and walk out.

It's a 30-minute thing.

You go to a clinic, it's super easy, and it's extremely low risk.

So, when you combine things like optimizing testosterone, shockwave therapy, stem cells or exosomes, healthy lifestyle, you know, all of that together, then we can do a lot of good.

That's interesting.

Is shockwave therapy the same thing as PMF?

No.

Okay, because I got that done the other day on my back.

Yeah, no, that's a pulse electromagnetic magnetic field therapy.

That's a different technology.

Shockwave therapy is similar to lithotripsy, which they used to, which we still use, to break up kidney stones.

But it's like a less powerful version of that, and it's been around for decades.

Got it.

Yeah, it's really great.

I didn't know you could break up kidney stones in the body.

You can.

I mean, you can't, but a doctor can do it.

No, I wouldn't do it either.

I mean, a doctor can do it.

I always thought you had to pee it out or something.

Yeah, if they're really big, then they'll break them up with like a laser.

It's a lithotripsy from the outside so that that you can actually beat them out wow that's cool oh i remember my friend oh i'm not even gonna tell that story oh i never had one knock on wood right they're very painful yeah i bet geez any other like holistic things you do like light therapy or anything yeah i do a lot of red light therapy um you know for full body red light therapy i also like for women for instance i use uh intravaginal red light therapy for sexual health inside yeah yeah i didn't know you could do that some home devices that are great they're wellness devices like there's one called vfit plus um that you you can just buy um over the counter and it's increasing um the same kind of thing it's increasing mitochondrial energy production it can help with lubrication and sensation and all kinds of things and so there's tricks like that that are kind of fun ways to combine you know wellness things with actual medicine yeah that is cool i didn't know you could get in there and heal everything from inside that's some next level stuff though because red light is very healing it is it's i do it like three times a week yeah i feel great and i just did i just did a post about this there was a study recently with red light that if you just do a 15 minute red light session on your back, like a 670-nanometer red light for 15 minutes, and then you do a glucose tolerance test later, like an hour later, where you drink glucose and then you check your blood sugar

every little bit.

There was a 27% reduction in blood sugar seeing the people who did the red light versus the placebo group.

Holy crap.

Just from doing red light for 15 minutes.

So there's some crazy things about it that we're just learning.

That's exciting.

And my glucose was a little high on my blood test.

So I'm going to do more red light now that you said that.

Yeah.

Interesting.

So I know you got three companies.

I'd love to go through these.

One of them's called Hop.

Yeah, Hop.

Hop stands for Human Optimization Project.

We just call it Hop.

And that is my longevity supplement company that we have a box called Hop Box.

It's kind of like your longevity stack in a pack.

So it's like everything you need in a pack that you just take once or twice a day.

And it makes it super easy to take the things that you want to take to help kind of combat the drivers of aging.

I'll check that out.

So right now I'm on Brian Johnson's, but I'm disappointed with one ingredient.

If you're watching this, Brian, uh-oh.

You use natural flavors.

Oh.

You know, I don't know how bad that is.

There's probably worse ingredients, but do you know what the natural flavors are?

So it's a powdered drink that has a bunch of longevity stuff in it, and it's orange-flavored or something.

So I guess it's that.

Okay.

But I was disappointed.

Brian Johnson.

I mean, that dude does his research.

He's using natural flavors.

He's got a lot of stuff.

I haven't used his products yet, but I think he's an interesting guy.

I bought his olive oil.

It's really good.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You should try that.

Okay.

But you feel really full after because i don't know what he does to it olive oil and i was on when i was getting ready for my wedding years ago i decided to go there's a diet called the shangri-la diet i don't know i wrote a book about it um and i'm not recommending it necessarily but the idea was you you drink uh a tablespoon of olive oil three times a day not with food and not with a drink just with water and that's it and you can't have any other food around it for like an hour um and i i did that it was horrible but i lost tons of weight really yes from olive oil i think you're just not hungry the rest of the time because it fills you up.

It is.

There's other benefits to it as well.

But yeah, I was surprised.

I was like, this will never work.

And then it did.

Wow.

You don't look like you need to lose weight right now, though.

Well, thank you.

This is a while back.

I was a little bit heavier.

You had a chubby face?

I was a little chubby after college.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I never had one.

I'm blessed.

My thyroid is like the opposite issue of most people.

Yeah.

I process so quick.

That's good.

It's good and bad.

That'll serve you well when you get older, though.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Hopefully.

Second company, Humanaut Health.

Yeah.

Humanot is a longevity clinic that we're going to be opening.

The first one's going to be in Austin this summer.

And we have plans to go to two more cities in Texas by the end of the year.

And then, I mean, ultimately, the goal is to have 100 locations in two years.

Wow, that's fast.

Yeah.

So I'm the co-founder.

I'm a chief medical officer for that.

So figuring out all the protocols and how do we use hormones and peptides and stem cells and, you know, functional medicine, as well as traditional diagnostics and advanced diagnostics.

And how do we put it together?

And then how do we scale that to 100 clinics?

That's that's the goal.

I love that.

I can't wait to see it.

I'll be in Austin this year.

So stop by for sure.

Absolutely.

I think longevity centers are going to be really popular as more people are getting into their health.

Yeah, there's a lot of people working in this field to make this, you know, using technology, using, of course, AI and other tools to start to be able to think about not doing this just for a few people.

People who could afford to spend $100,000 a year, but like, can we do this for the rest of the people who deserve it, but can't afford to spend that much?

Yeah.

No, I love them.

I go to one out here, and I'd rather support a local business than like a huge hospital chain that they don't care about you.

Yeah.

I mean, you know, unfortunately, hospital chains just don't have the tools to do some of the things that we want to do too.

You know,

they're slow to progress.

You know, they say in medicine that it takes 17 years before something is proven to be true, before it's adopted as a standard of care.

It takes 17 years long before we say, hey, this therapy is effective or this protocol is effective or whatever it is, before all doctors are like, oh, yes, that's effective and let's do it.

So it's a very slow, it's like the Titanic.

It's a very slow ship and not nimble at all.

Yeah.

Why do you think it's so long?

I think part of it is just the education process.

And I think it's getting faster, but in the past, the way doctors were trained is you learn from the doctors who trained you and you learn during residency, which is three to five years.

And then after that, you still sort of learn, but like you don't really learn as much after residency.

And so I think that's part of the problem.

And then also hospitals, you know, are there a lot of politics?

It's very bureaucratic.

It's very difficult to adapt new things and be nimble and quick.

So I think that that's another problem as well.

Yeah.

I hope one day they can integrate more holistic Eastern stuff.

I don't know if we'll ever get to that point though, because pharmaceutical money is insane.

It is.

And certainly the studies on

the less pharmaceutical options, supplements and things like that, there just aren't as good as studies because there's not as much money to do the studies.

And so I think that's definitely a hurdle to the holistic or the less pharmaceutical world.

Yeah.

Did you see they just turned down the MDMA study yesterday?

I did.

I was disappointed with that.

No, me too.

And they just changed the guidelines for vitamin D testing.

They used to say everyone should get their levels checked because vitamin C is really important, as you know.

And now they're saying that you shouldn't check those levels unless you're like over age 75,

I think, or pregnant.

Like they completely changed the guidelines.

And so insurance will probably not cover that anymore.

Oh, my.

Which is ridiculous because vitamin D is both a hormone and a vitamin and it's involved in hundreds or thousands of reactions in your body.

It's one of the most important ones, if not the most important.

It's one of the most important ones.

And most people are deficient in vitamin D, despite having the sun.

We always protect ourselves and we stay inside in our cubicles and we don't get outside.

And so it's really disappointing that that's happening.

That was a wake-up call for me because I'm in Vegas.

There's a lot of sun here.

I eat very healthy and I was deficient.

So I'd imagine a lot of people are deficient.

Yes, yes.

And every blood test I've had, I've been deficient, actually.

Really?

Yeah, you got to take some vitamin D.

I might have to.

How much do you actually absorb that, you think, though?

It's usually pretty well absorbed.

There's all different ways ways to take it, but

it's an easy one to take, and you can check your levels and see if it's working or not.

Okay.

Yeah, I try to eat naturally, but now the food's losing nutritional value every year.

Like, I remember when I was a kid, strawberries and vegetables tasted so good.

Yeah.

Now it doesn't hit the same.

Yeah.

It's crazy.

It is.

I don't know what's happening with the soil or whatever, but I think a lot of bad stuff.

Yeah.

It sucks.

Third company you got going on is Reputable.

Yeah, Reputable is a fun one for all your business odor of people out there.

We are a B2B business.

I'm the co-founder, and we're a tech platform for people in the health and wellness space who want to run almost like pseudo-clinical studies or experiments with

people using all of their wearable data and getting quantified information about how their supplement or device or whatever it is is affecting people.

And so you can essentially run these very inexpensive studies, but get very specific, quantifiable information from them.

That's great because there's certain supplements I want to buy, but I don't know how effective they are.

But if I saw a study on a thousand people, 100 people, that'd be really good.

And you can pin you, and the people, the businesses that want to do it, you know, you essentially say, I want to do a study that's this big, and you pay a much smaller amount than you would if you're going to like a university and doing it.

It's not the same kind of study, but we essentially get real people, real-world data.

You get all their wearables in sync, and you can look at things like HRV and their sleep studies and their, you know, all the different things that you can find from wearables.

You can, you can target all of those things and then use AI to interpret what all that means.

Yeah.

Are you using any wearables or AI right now for your health?

I use the aura ring, sort of.

I don't always look at it, but sometimes I look at it whenever I feel like I need to tell me something good, but I don't always agree with it.

So

sometimes it tells me, like, you slept really well last night.

And I'm like, no, I didn't.

I was up all night.

Or vice versa.

But yeah, I use Aura a lot.

I think that's the only wearable right now that I'm using.

Okay.

The future of AI and health is fascinating, how it can detect cancer super early and all that.

I just read Tony Robbins' book on the life force.

There's so many uses for it.

And, you know, and like with HumanOut, this clinic that I'm building, we're, you know, we're trying to train all these eventually these medical providers, these nurse practitioners and doctors and all these with these protocols that we've been working on for six months.

And, you know, how do you train someone in a couple of weeks or a couple of months?

And, you know, AI will come in handy because we can start to build these protocols into algorithms and flows and things that can help our staff and also help patients down the line.

I love that.

Dr.

Amy, it's been been great.

Where can people find you?

So I'm at dramykillen.com.

That's my website.

I'm very active on Instagram, Dr.

AmyB.Killen.

And then Hotbox, H-O-P-Box.com, and Humanothealth, Astronaut with Humans.

HumanOut.health.com is that one.

And then Reputable.health.

I have a lot of websites.

There you go.

We'll try to link them all below.

Thanks for coming on.

Thanks for watching, guys.

Check out the sites.

See you next time.