Legacy Media is Dead: Rise of the Podcast Era | Daniel Allen Cohen DSH #736

Goal is to sell a piece and break six figures.

Nice.

Getting close, but it takes time.

I'm not in a rush.

Yeah.

Journey.

I love that mindset.

A lot of people try to rush that.

You can't.

You got to be patient.

I mean, it comes.

Things that rise fast just can fall as fast.

I mean, you look at certain things in crypto and stocks.

That's like the biggest red flag is if you have a hockey stick, you shouldn't be slow and steady wins the race.

Exactly.

All right, guys.

Got Daniel Allen Cohen here.

He has made this beautiful piece for for me right here.

It's my favorite art piece I own, man.

Thank you so much.

And thanks for coming on.

Thank you, man.

It came out great.

I'm very happy with it.

And today, more than ever, people are addicted to consuming content and podcasts.

And you are just non-stop, crushing it.

So it couldn't be in a better spot.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Podcasts seem like the new really mass mainstream media consumption right now.

Legacy media is dead.

Yeah.

You are doing the right thing at the forefront.

And I'm having to do the same thing, create my own content, tell my story.

That's what people are attracted to today more than ever.

Right, because before you were probably behind the scenes, a little more kind of doing pieces for like celebrities, but now you're taking a step back.

I looked at it that same way.

I didn't see Phil Knight on the face of Nike.

I didn't, the CEO or the owner isn't at the forefront of their brands.

Their content and their storytelling is.

So I liked that, but now people want to actually know who I am.

They want to know more about me.

They want to, we have these opportunities to build these parasocial relationships with the people, whether it's on a reality TV show or through the lens of social media, where you can get to know someone.

Dan Fleischman, obviously, is like the hugest preacher of this and made an impact on me to actually take the leaf, build the confidence and start sharing my own content, my story through social media.

And it's a little bit different.

Like I am not my artwork.

I am not.

This is addictive.

It's not like an alias.

So

it was a little bit of a change, but I'm glad that I'm doing it.

Yeah.

So you've tied the two together then rather than keep it separate.

I have my personal Instagram, which is about me, but I think a lot of artists kind of have a little bit more where they want to share their story there behind the scenes.

It's not very much integrated, but I have tried to bring that two together for sure.

There is a bridging of the gap that's happening there.

Nice.

And where did the periodic table R idea come from?

It started actually in 2015.

What preceded this was the nutritional fact label.

And I started, stripped that and did narcotic facts.

And that was extremely successful because it was something that was familiar that people had seen before.

But it was the subtle twist.

And no one really reads that.

You know, no one's caring about what they're consuming in their body.

I mean, more people today now are.

There's a little bit more conscious awareness of ingredients.

People are actually reading that label.

But before,

not as much.

Hell no.

Yeah.

So for so that was what started things.

And that just was extremely successful.

2015.

started selling pieces for 250, 500, 750, 1,000, started getting gallery representation and it kept growing and building.

And then after that kind of sold out and that was had the success with that, I was like, what's next?

So I did the periodic table of elements, but the periodic table of drugs.

And those debuted in 2017, first nine pieces at Scope, which is an art fair during Art Basel, during Art Week in Miami, and just crushed it, grand slam, out of the park.

They auctioned it or how does that work?

So at a fair like that, they're available.

It was an addition of three.

There was three collector sets, stole out of all three of the collector sets.

Wow.

Opening week.

And then just, I had them also a la carte.

So individually, if someone just wanted one or two or three, they could buy them by themselves.

I didn't want to force people to buy all nine.

And then there's some collectors that bought nine and I released more and they bought more.

They released more and they bought more.

So they kind of got addicted to the art collecting process as well.

So it's, I mean, that people are addicted to everything today,

whether it's surfing or tennis or paddle or things like sugar.

So there is some elements to the truth of like what we're actually consuming and that connects to the work.

Yeah, I've never been able to identify why certain artists pop off, but being in this space, are you able to catch these guys early and see their trajectory in advance?

I mean, there's things that flop.

I mean, I have great, some great concepts that I'm working on that are.

tied into AI, but it might just be too early.

With certain elements, the same thing.

Like, I might just have created something before people actually fully understand it,

which is fine.

Like things take time.

I'm patient.

Right.

Some artists don't pop off until they're dead.

Exactly.

Which is crazy.

Yeah.

I'm sure there's some of my collectors want me dead, so the value goes up.

Yeah.

I noticed that's a thing, right?

It like triples overnight when you die.

Yeah, for sure.

There's

I'm not going anywhere, though.

I got a long legacy to live.

I'm just getting warmed up.

Yeah.

Do you collect other artist stuff?

I do.

I think that it's actually a duty and a diligence that artists.

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Have to collect art.

It almost should be a prerequisite.

Wow.

Because if you expect people to buy your art and invest in you, you got to show the reciprocity and you got to collect from others people as well.

It's like, why not?

If you have the expectation that you're only expected to receive, you have a short-sighted mindset.

You got to give.

You got to either trade artwork with your other artists.

I mean, that's the majority of the artwork that's up in my house is artwork that I traded with others.

Oh, that's cool.

Yeah.

That's actually smart.

Bartering is the newest currency to me.

I love bartering.

Same.

I love bartering too.

Whether it's places to stay,

things to do, experiences,

it's the best form today.

I've saved so much money bartering for hotels and cruises and travel.

Oh my gosh.

And restaurants.

Yeah.

Like literally, it might be six figures at this point.

Yeah.

It's great.

And people today, especially depending on how much social clout you have, that can add so much value in the bartering process too.

It's trading for a post or trading for a travel plan.

So it's awesome.

That's cool to see you acknowledge that because some artists are so like protective of their work and they're not willing to barter because they just want money or whatever.

You got to give.

Giving is so infectious.

I genuinely enjoy giving.

I was going to make this piece with zero expectation.

And the value of what an artist can do and be selfless and just give without having any expectation of return is great things can come.

It might take some time, but like someone's going to see this piece in a year, a month, two years from now.

And there's going to be maybe a follow and a conversion.

It's going to lead to something somewhere.

You got to believe that it is.

But if you don't take that shot to actually make that investment into building that relationship with someone by using your artwork for the means of giving people joy or happiness or sharing your work for other people in joy,

you're not going to eventually grow.

And growing is everything.

You got to go grow, you got to go.

Right.

And art seems to, like the good art at least seems to appreciate a pretty substantial rate from what I've studied.

Yeah.

The art, traditional fine art world, the blue chip art world has

pretty much outgrown every asset class

that that's out there.

It's beaten the stock market.

It's beaten.

Even crypto?

I think so.

That's one thing it could, might, might not.

But there's so much volatility in crypto.

There's with art, you know, you have a lot of manipulation.

It's one of the last industries that's really kind of not really regulated.

You have some regulation with kind of like having to know who your buyers are.

What do you mean by that?

So

there's something that is within the art world, and it's so there's AML, which is like the anti-munnery anti-money laundering and then uh there's the kyc

which is know your customers yeah kyc know your customers so auction houses dealers how now in certain countries have to know who their customers are so that they um it's not like a mafia or something exactly yeah there's trying to money launder the i mean notoriously

art has been a means for money laundering which is is great diamonds too i mean diamonds have funded plenty of wars over history right um And art, I wouldn't say, has done the same thing, but there's been crazy situations in art

like the, do you know the piece by Da Vinci Salvador Mundi?

You've recognized it.

Yeah, I probably recognize it.

So in 2005, this piece was bought at an estate auction for $10,000.

That's it?

Yeah.

It's

so low.

They couldn't verify that it was real at the time.

So they couldn't verify that it was real at the time.

So they went through a few years of restoration.

In 2013, the piece sold by a Swiss dealer for $75 million after it was like totally verified.

He flipped it the same year to a Russian billionaire for $127 million.

In 2017, it sold at Christie's for $450 million.

Damn.

Half a bill.

That's nuts.

Yeah.

$10,000 to half a bill.

My friend has the biggest Boschiak collection in the world.

Wow.

Similar story.

This girl was selling it for thousands because she couldn't verify it and she had like hundreds of them.

Yeah.

And she charged like a couple thousand each.

The company that was verifying his work no longer existed.

So he had to go to the FBI, get forensic analysis on every single piece.

They were all Bosquio pieces.

Yeah.

So it's the biggest collection in the world.

There's a lot of diligence, provenance, that has to go into the secondary market world because historically there's been so much fraud.

And so it's hard to like legitimately verify, especially after some of these people have passed away.

Like who are these custodians and duties that part of the estate that are going to verify things when there's just, I mean, you look at some of the things that are coming out of China,

just perfect replicas.

It's hard to legitimately justify what's real and not real today, especially in the art world.

Most Chinese, man, and they know how to duplicate everything.

I mean, not, I mean, there's other countries.

Turkey, too, is really good.

I mean, Turkey's legendary with the luxury

index.

I went into a spot in Turkey and you walk into what looks like a silk shop

and then you go behind the scenes and that's where all the Birkins

and it's these Birkins are it's one-to-one I know people that have bought Birkins and then they flipped them on the real reel no the real reel couldn't even verify that they were fake holy that good crap yeah they're so yeah turkey's on another level too with their replicas um I've seen Rolexes one-to-one these days like even the weight because that used to be the easy tell the weight or the movement but no they're so good these days.

Yeah.

A lot of, it's, it's wild.

I know you see guys flexing watches and you're like,

yeah, you always question it.

I mean, there's certain guys that have one real and one fake and they wear the fake one out, which makes sense if it's a $500,000 watch.

Oh, if you get robbed, here you go.

Yeah, exactly.

In places like Los Angeles, San Francisco, absolutely.

Like, that's the smartest thing that you could possibly do.

Yeah, I would never wear a watch in one of those cities.

Where do you live at?

I moved to Miami nine months ago from LA.

Nine months ago, from L.A., yeah.

It was time to go.

LA is, you know, my home, born and raised, Southern California.

Loved it there, but

there's so much growth happening in Miami.

It's one of the best places to be.

I kind of describe it as like the first day of school.

There's so many people that have come.

And after the pandemic, that everyone's so welcoming and inviting.

That's so unique.

It's kind of like what L.A.

had, you know, in 2010.

There was

art.

Right now, there's not a lot of growth for art in Los Angeles.

In Miami, you have tons of empty walls.

So people are wanting to buy art in in Miami.

And my art really resonates with the Miami culture.

It's about luxury and consumerism.

People want flashy stuff that's going to get attention.

100%.

You know, people see it on the wall.

It's going to spark a conversation.

Some people want decoration.

Other people want things that are going to have that impact.

Yeah.

Have you ever done an Art Basel activation?

I have.

Yeah.

So the Most immersive Art Basel activation that I did was in 2019.

I created an immersive chemistry classroom.

It was after Albert Hoffman, the guy who synthesized LSD.

It was the Albert Hoffman University.

So there were two desks, school desks with notepads, backpacks.

There was a professor's desk.

It was the debut of the periodic table of drugs.

So there was chemistry equipment, lab coats, whiteboard.

It was a very fun experience.

But I've been showing out there since 2016.

Started at Scope, which is one of the very cool emerging art fairs that's on the beach on South Beach.

Had two great first years there.

Was the gallery's best-selling artists out of, you know, probably like five to six artists,

which is good, you know, like for my first years.

And then was very lucky to make my way into two other art fairs called Context and Art Miami, which are some of the leaders' ones.

They're, you know, in the commercial space, they're at the top.

There's, you know, Art Basel as an art fair is in its own league.

It's blue chip, it's secondary market.

It's artists that are really thriving,

but it's institutional art, where Art Miami is artists that are creating very cool contemporary art that has a commercial appeal that's

that people are interested in.

It's relevant art.

So I've been showing there for since then and just always growing, doing new things.

This year, I have a cool concept.

We'll see if it comes together, though.

Nice.

I've seen some crazy shows out there.

Yeah.

People spend a lot of money on their shows, man.

Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely.

People spend a lot of money on art out there.

It's really like the last

hurrah for people at the end of the year.

You know, they, before New Year's, before the holidays, they go out there with a bang.

And some people have those champagne problems where they need to burn a little bit of money and they don't want to.

It's a tax write-off.

Exactly.

It's a tax.

That's one of the best things about buying art is there's some amazing companies out there,

Microsoft, UBS, that have these massive art collections.

They started buying and their collections started appreciating.

But, you know, it's a little bit of a tax write-off because they're putting up in their offices.

It's creating decor.

But at the same time, it's a tax write-off for them.

That's brilliant because it's an asset, too.

They could probably take a loan out against it if they ever needed to.

Yeah, depending on the right artwork, they absolutely can borrow against it.

No, my friend who has the basketball collection has done that with his pieces, and he'll get like a pretty good deal on it, too.

Yeah.

And there's obviously other ways like fractional ownership, too, which I'm not the biggest fan of, like Masterworks.

It's an interesting model.

They sponsor a lot of shows.

I'm not.

It's a lot of fees, a lot of commissions.

Yeah.

That's how they make their money, though, right?

Yeah.

It is a business at the end of the day, but I just don't like the idea of owning something that I can't look at every day and enjoy and see.

I'm going to own a piece.

I want it in my living room.

Yeah.

And most of the artists that are on there are dead.

And I think that it's a duty for people, if they're going to buy art, to buy art from emerging artists and support.

up-and-comers,

be patrons.

Like back in the day, the royal families were the patrons of some of the artists.

And back then, that was all the culture is

art.

So

it's good to support art.

It makes you feel good.

Right.

It gives you good feelings.

And

you get to surround yourself with what makes you what you enjoy.

Yeah, absolutely.

What's the most you've seen an art piece sell for?

Like mine?

Yours, yeah, but also just in general.

Well,

that piece that we talked about before, the Salvador Monday, is actually holds the record.

Oh, yeah.

And then, but then you have other artists like Jeff Coons,

who I think has the most,

he has the

most

auction, he has like the highest auction record consistency.

I think Damian Hurst might be one of the wealthiest artists.

So there's a lot of artists that are alive today that have had a lot of success.

For me, my next goal is to sell a piece and break six figures.

Nice.

Getting close, but it takes time.

I'm not in a rush.

Yeah.

I love that mindset.

A lot of people try to rush that.

You can't.

It's, you got to be patient.

I mean, it comes.

Things that rise fast just can fall as fast.

I mean, you look at certain things in crypto and stocks.

That's like the biggest red flag is if you have a hockey stick, you shouldn't be slow and steady wins the race.

Exactly.

What do you think of digital art?

I'm all about it.

I mean, I was early into the NFT space in

2019

with Nifty Gateway, did a release with them, and no one was even paying attention when I was doing posts that I was on there.

No one was.

So I just did it because I was an early adopter into crypto and I wanted my art in the blockchain.

And

then now with AI, I'm using AI to create very cool artwork.

So I'll show you some stuff after this that I'm working on.

It's very, very exciting.

Dude, AI, I got a crazy story about finish that.

Yeah, it's just in general.

There's people who are resistant to it.

And I think that that is when you see the resistance that people have to newness like that.

I lean into it.

Yeah.

Like I know that that's the sign of there's something here.

But if an artist is starting out and is just doing all their art in AI, it's a little different.

If you're already an established artist or you've kind of made a name for yourself and you're using it as a tool, I think that's a little different.

But the context is everything.

It's,

you can't just use it

without having some connection.

Right.

So use it for inspiration, not to copy, paste.

Yeah, to a certain extent.

There's so much that you can use it to discover things.

Like you said, get inspired by something you would never see before.

That's what I love about it.

The things that it spits out.

It's nuts.

I've seen some really cool tattoos lately from AI, actually.

Wow.

I didn't even think about that.

Yeah, no, these tattoo artists are just, people are literally coming up with AI photos and then bringing it to the artist and like, can you paint this on me?

Yeah.

It's nuts.

And now the these little videos that are coming to this the software that's able to generate uh like five-second little short videos out of it is is insane.

oh in the clips yeah yeah yeah those are definitely gonna save a lot of people time and money yeah but dude so i go to this biological dentist yesterday right biological dentist yeah it's like a preventative dentist because most dentists that we've gone to are western and yeah who knows what they do but fluoride yeah fluoride first hour they're taking photos of my mouth i'm like what the hell dude this is crazy all of a sudden they put a computer screen in front of me all my photos are there they put it in an ai and it determines how many cavities I have.

What?

Yes, nine cavities.

So I'm like, that you currently have.

Yeah, because they're able to detect them super early because of the AI.

If a doctor were to manually look at it, they might have not even spotted it.

So nine cavities, not only that, it looks at your gum.

I had two bacterial infections, which no one would have ever known that.

And they told me I needed my wisdom teeth out because of the AI.

So that's where the future of AI is going.

Don't take out the wisdom teeth.

Do you think so?

No, that's like though.

There's people who believe that the wisdom teeth is something symbolism.

Why is it called a wisdom tooth?

It's like there's like a connection that people believe that the people who have them have like superpowers.

Ooh.

Well, agreed, but mine's actually like causing the bacterial infection because there's a gap.

Yeah.

So I kind of need to.

That's not fun.

Dentist, I was at the dentist yesterday, and it's luckily just for like a routine checkup and cleaning in Los Angeles, but it's not a good place to be.

I'll never go to a Western one again.

So when they fill in cavities, there's forever plastics in them.

So I go to a holistic one now that fills them in naturally.

Amazing.

Yeah.

There's a lot of stuff you got to look out for in the medical space.

Yeah, but the technology of AI is like,

it's crazy, especially, I mean, have you talked to anyone lately about the new iPhone update?

With OpenAI integrating with iPhone and integrated now?

Yep.

They just announced it.

And Siri is now going to be, knows so much about you.

Whoa.

It's using, so once you update, if you have the 15 and you update, it's different than if you have like a 14 or 13 or prior, but it knows all of your text messages.

all of your photos,

all of your browser history.

So it can, all of your scheduling.

So it is a next level assistant.

And the fact that it is now going to integrate with Open AI

is going to take things to a long time.

I've seen people, they don't even answer their emails anymore.

AI does it.

I saw that post there on the account that people are getting dummy phones for that same reason because

they don't want social media.

They don't want technology.

They want to simplify things.

They want a simpler life.

Right.

Yeah.

Social media detoxes.

People are doing that more than ever is just like cutting out social media and technology for days, weeks, months because they need a break.

There's a lot of industries that'll impact.

I think for someone like you, you'll be pretty good, though.

Yeah.

Because you have so much just hands-on talent that it'd be almost impossible to.

Yeah, creatives, I think, will continue to thrive.

Creative artists, there's only so much that AI can actually take away from us.

We're always going to need culture, always going to need creativity.

Right now it's struggling.

There's certain things that it can't do, but I'm using it as much as I can to my advantage.

Dude, I'm using it to like find podcast guests in new cities.

I'll be like, I'm going to Miami.

Give me a list of 50 interesting guests that live here.

And that's how I plan my guests out.

Wow.

Crazy.

Wow.

I'll literally say, give me the most 50 most viral guests here.

I'll go on YouTube, see who gets the most views.

Give me a list of 50 people.

Has anyone done a podcast with AI?

Probably.

Yeah.

But I don't know if it's advanced enough yet.

Be an interesting conversation.

I did see a video of the two people that were having the AIs talk to each other.

And they didn't know they were talking to each other.

Interesting.

Yeah, it was a fascinating video where they couldn't,

they were

just discussing random things about each other.

The 4-0, the newest version, is on another level, especially with language,

translating language.

It's going to make things so easy when you go to foreign countries and you just give someone another ear pod and you can just have a full-on conversation with them because it's just constantly translating the conversation for you.

I can't wait for that because now we can go to whatever country we want and do business.

Because right now, language barrier.

Yeah.

So we're segmented.

Language barrier is one thing, but intercultural business is a whole nother thing.

I think that's one thing that people don't actually fully understand is you go to a different country.

They do business a whole lot different here than they do in China.

In China, it's all about getting to know people.

You don't talk about business until the last.

part.

Really?

Yeah.

Oh, shit.

They want to build trust.

They want to get to know you.

Intercultural business, the class that I took took was fascinating because you understand it's like here in the U.S., it's like just straight to it.

It's like dating.

But not you just skip the date and you just go straight to the bedroom in business here.

Where there, they're like,

let's slow down.

Let's get to know each other.

Let's date a little bit.

And then we'll talk about business in the end once we can establish that.

they can trust each other.

And that's so special.

And I think more people are kind of starting to pick up on that today than ever is

using their intuition to kind of see if the people that they're wanting to do business with actually has like good intentions or what they are and just not cutting straight to the chase.

I wonder if AI can predict the next art trends.

That'd be interesting, right?

I don't know if it could.

Art is so subjective, but I do think that maybe

there is, obviously, it's going to continue to get smarter and aggregate more and more data and information.

I think as a big data machine, it will be able to analyze sites like Artsy and ArtNet and see track sales and history and see who's doing well.

What are the search results?

What are the cues?

Google this, that,

and be able to figure out who could be the next artist that can rise up.

So I think we're probably just a few years away from that.

Crazy.

There's a lot of really smart people that think AI might take over the world.

I mean, Elon Musk definitely does.

He tweets it a lot, right?

He's concerned.

Yeah.

He was pissed with Apple integrating with OpenAI, right?

Yeah, he said that he's going to not allow employees to have iPhones that work at Tesla, SpaceX, all these companies.

Yeah, and I love my iPhone.

You don't work for Translation.

I'm on it eight hours a day.

I looked at my screen time.

I'm like, holy crap.

But I'm working on it.

So it's different than most people eight hours a day.

Yeah.

It's just consumption.

Well, for you, it's a little different.

You're not consuming.

You're creating.

It's a part of your business.

I'm networking, creating,

fostering relationships.

I'm never consuming, actually.

Or if I am, it's to seek out a interesting guest or something yeah so the the i think the context in that situation is everything if you were just sitting there scrolling and swiping and just wasting time absolutely i'd be depressed because i used to do that when i was in college yeah and i was depressed i mean a lot of people they they try to understand the work and i describe it as when when you wake up in the morning What's the first thing that you think about?

It's your phone, social media.

Facts.

It's not, I need water.

I need oxygen, I need to get some sunlight.

I need the elements.

It's these are the things that we're addicted to.

These are the elements of today.

It's coffee, it's sex, it's money, it's hustle.

These are the things that are driving us, the elements.

And you create these reactions of all these things together, and it becomes who we are.

Absolutely.

Talk to me about Freeport.

Freeports, well, Freeports are like the greatest museums that no one can visit.

They are these little tax havens, almost like purgatory for art, where,

like, for example, there's a free port, most famous one is probably in Geneva.

It has over 1.2 million art pieces that are just currently being stored there.

Wow.

And if there's an art piece there and I buy it and I sell it to you, I won't get taxed.

You won't get taxed as long as it stays there.

And if you sell it to the next person, it won't get taxed.

Interesting.

So it's a little loophole in the art world where people can find ways to avoid sales tax, avoid income tax, avoid capital gains tax.

And

the benefit isn't just art.

It's wine, it's gold, it's diamonds, it's anything valuable free ports can hold.

It's kind of like this in-between.

But once it goes from the free port to your house, that's where that person is going to have to claim and make some money.

So then you have to claim income tax.

But if you're just doing it as an investment, it makes sense.

Yeah.

There's Singapore, Delaware, Luxembourg are some famous ones.

But I mean,

you can only imagine the type of work that's in there it's some of the best work is just hidden in grates interesting how does the art differ from country to country

um culturally there's there's obviously a lot different uh in some of like the main you know market countries you know your londons

your your italy's over in europe historically there's such a great rich history of of iconic fine art and renaissance art there

I think not enough people actually do a good diligence on studying art history, especially in like the fine art space.

Here, we're focused on like a little more new art.

We do have an appreciation of it, but it's contemporary is what's cool right now.

There's, you know, people go into museums like the Metropolitan Museum in New York, and it's, it's a lot of old art.

They have no idea who the people are on the wall.

So I actually thought of this idea, and I'm trying to come up with a contemporary art museum that I'm using to create these contemporary pieces that are a twist.

So it's juxtaposing the present and the past.

But country to country, it all varies.

And house to house, it's all subjective.

I mean, someone that goes into one place might just want art that's purely decoration.

Some other person might want to have artwork that's very provocative.

So

it's all case by case, country by country.

Absolutely.

I saw here, Disney gave Robin Williams a multi-million dollar Picasso painting.

The story of that's quite fascinating because Robin Williams, he was at the top of his acting career when Disney approached him to do the voice of the genie for Aladdin.

And at the time, they were just getting started in like their, their animation for, for cartoon movies.

And they were not making any money off of, you know, merchandising through games and toys or theme park stuff.

So they go to him and they...

they had obviously other options and they offered him $75,000, which was a huge haircut from what he would normally get paid.

He agreed with the under his agreement that they would not, I think it was, there were some restrictions around merchandising and

toys and all this stuff.

Long story short, the movie crushed it.

It was their biggest box office.

They expanded to the theme park stuff.

Toys took off.

Aladdin was the biggest movie in the 90s and really put them in a whole trajectory for like Disney and theme parks.

It was the biggest growth period for them them after that movie

because he kind of got a little frustrated and made a lot of noise and ruffled some feathers because rightfully his agreement was not the best.

And so they sent him a $1 million original Picasso painting as a gesture to say thank you for,

which is a nice gift.

Thanks for making us 500 million.

Here's a million.

Exactly.

Here's a little million.

And who knows what that piece is worth now, especially with that story.

It's a cool, cool piece.

Oh, yeah.

I wonder if he kept it.

His family probably has it.

R.I.P.

Yeah.

That's a sad story.

Yeah, I know.

Especially knowing that one movie where, what was that movie where kids were killing themselves and he was like the teacher?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, just after seeing that and then it actually happened.

Crazy, right?

Yeah, not a lot of people know he had a love for Coke.

Really?

Yeah.

I would have never expected that.

He had his issues with substance abuse.

Wow.

Yeah.

And

yeah.

And people don't know that exactly.

People have their demons.

You look at him and you think, this guy is funny he's happy he's successful he's a great artist and

you know literally leading um as an artist in in the acting space in hollywood at the time but he had his skeletons in his closet and one of them was was coke dude you and i know a lot of public figures and oftentimes they have a lot of mental issues or demons or whatever i think that's what people need to actually be more open and communicate you know, the conversation about mental health and awareness through addiction, through therapy.

And there's so many options today where people can get help and seek help.

It's a serious thing.

The Instagram versus reality, the perspective of how people view things is shockingly different.

And people need to invest more into their mental health and do the smallest things.

I mean, I had the pleasure of meeting Gary Brecca, who I know is one of your guests, and he's fucking brilliant.

And I asked him at Damon's Mastermind, what are a couple of things that these entrepreneurs can do that are free, that can help them with the stress that comes with being an entrepreneur?

And I mean, you could obviously re-watch this episode, he preaches it all the time, or any of his content, which is get sunlight, do breath work,

get into a cold shower or cold plunge, ground yourself, touch the earth, get good sleep, which is, it's like, seems like it's common sense, but no one actually takes the time to build some of these habits into their life, which is going back to the elements of the periodic table, oxygen, water,

you know, the earth, the electrical charge of the earth, earth, that are all these things that can actually help us and give us a little bit of a balance in our day-to-day, which is so needed.

Absolutely, Daniel, any uh, anything you want to close off with?

No, had a great time, enjoy the art.

Um, anyone that is interested in wanting to learn more about me, I'm just on Instagram.

This is addictive, danieloncohen.com.

Daniel on Cohen on Instagram.

Perfect.

Link below.

Thanks for coming on, man.

Absolutely.

Thank you.

Thanks for watching, guys.

Hope you enjoyed that one.

I will see you tomorrow.