The Shocking Truth About Prison Gangs and Guards! | Johnny Mitchell DSH #585

Whenever you have a guard bringing shit in, that gives you like your advantage.

That's kind of like how you know gangs use guards.

How much does it take to pay off a guard on average?

You could pay a guard.

Tobacco is the biggest hustle in there.

Yeah, because cigarettes are banned, they're illegal, so they're a huge black market for them.

Everybody smokes them.

The guards are much more willing to risk it.

A guard can sell a pack of tobacco for a thousand bucks.

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Ladies and gentlemen, my fellow 6'6 brother in the building today, Johnny Mitchell.

What's up, dog?

Doesn't happen often.

Damn, dude, I saw this

gangly.

We call it people like us ectomorphs.

That's our body type.

I'm going to start saying that to you.

Yeah, dude.

6'6 and skinny, bro, and you're winning.

That gives me hope.

You always been that way, though, skinny?

Yeah.

Okay.

Same hair.

I'm the least skinny that I've ever been.

Except getting out of prison.

That's when I was like a little yoked up.

But I'm just a, yeah, I'm a skinny mini.

Yeah, in prison, you got to get jacked, right?

So people didn't come at you.

Yeah, yeah.

And also, like, you, your car, it's a gang, but your car, we call them in there.

They force you to work out.

So it's, it's also just a pride thing, right?

Like, you walk out of your cell with your hair all fucked fucked up.

They'll send you back to comb your hair and button up your shirt and go to chow.

I'm like, guys, there's no bitches here.

Who gives a fuck what we look like?

I would get roasted, man.

But no, but that's, it's like they, because it's like, let's maintain a certain standard or else the whole thing will just fall into animalism even more than it is.

I think that was the thinking behind it.

Where were you on the hierarchy?

Was it one guy giving instructions or was it like a group decision?

No,

I was relatively non-affiliated, but i sat with the whites i sat with you know they were a mix of like hell's angels uh

woods pecker woods dirty white boys these are like all like like second rate not the hells angels but the rest of those groups that i mentioned those are all like second rate offshoots of the arryan brotherhood who's like the top white supremacist gang in the whole country but there's very few of them and they're ruthless thank god i never met any because like they'll they'll just kill you damn yeah so but all of their, they, they give orders to all of like the subsidiary white gangs.

Wow.

Yeah.

Um,

so yeah, so it was those guys that I like I had to sit with because there's no way you're going to sit at a black table or, you know, a Paisa Mexican table.

Yeah.

But I didn't have to get down like that.

I just had good paperwork.

I had a selly, my cellmate, Jimmy.

was a really high-ranking member of the Hells Angels.

He was the shot caller for the little

cell block we were on.

So he kept me.

Yeah, he kept me non-affiliated because he was like, man,

you should not be in here.

Let's get you out of here as soon as possible.

So if you were caught talking to a black person or a Mexican person, what would happen?

I talked to him every day.

I played basketball with him every day.

Oh, so you were allowed to communicate.

I was on the hoop court with him.

Yeah, no, no, no.

You can, it's not like, this is not some, you know, pre-civil rights

kind of society.

It's in the movies.

It's not like that.

You work with black people, Mexican people.

They do dope deals together.

i mean it's like it's you just when it comes to like working out eating uh being in a cell together that's where you don't mix got it yeah got it but was there a lot of tension or not really uh no the the most tension was actually between the gangs themselves so it's you know this gang finds out like the paises right the norteños

uh would go to war against the Serenos and they're always stabbing each other in even in Oregon, which is is a pretty tame prison system overall.

Or it's like the white boys, somebody got out of line and they're disciplining him.

So you didn't see a lot of, because if a whole racial riot pops off, that's bad.

Nobody wants that.

You know, because then it's like everybody

is getting stabbed.

Everybody's getting locked down for weeks at a time.

All the dope traffic, the money that they're making from cigarettes or meth or whatever they're hustling, that all gets shut down.

So everybody tries to avoid that.

Wow.

So drugs were pretty rampant in prison.

They were pretty rampant.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Especially at one facility I was at,

the white boys had a guard bringing it in.

And so whenever you have a guard bringing shit in, that gives you like your advantage.

That's like your competitive advantage.

If you're, you know, to compare it to like a country, right?

We just have the cheapest labor force and we have the best natural resources.

That's kind of like how, you know, gangs use guards.

And they all make sure he doesn't work with another gang or another race.

Interesting.

How much does it take to pay off a guard on average?

I mean, you could pay a guard.

Tobacco is the biggest hustle in there now, even more so than drugs.

Yeah, because cigarettes are banned.

They're illegal.

So there's a huge black market for them.

Everybody smokes them.

And they're expensive.

And the risk, you don't even get an extra charge if you get caught.

It's just, well, you get a contraband charge, maybe, but that's not like getting another drug charge, like getting caught with heroin or something.

So the guards are much more willing to risk it.

So, fuck, dude.

A guard could sell a pack of tobacco for a thousand bucks to a person.

He could turn around and flip that for like three or four thousand.

A stick, bro.

A stick.

I'm not even talking about a cigarette now.

Yeah.

Like, I'm talking about you could break a cigarette down and make 10 of these sticks and they're like as thin as possible.

It'd be like if you were rolling a blunt, the shake that's like left over and the dust, that's the quantity that's in a stick.

And that sells for seven bucks.

Holy crap.

So it's like, yeah, no, dude, guards are buying new trucks and fucking, they were eating.

Yeah.

So yeah, yeah, I definitely, but yeah, there's, there's a lot of drugs.

You know, the black guys had the weed where I was at for, I don't know why, probably because they had the plug, whoever was bringing it in or their, their, you know, baby mamas or whoever were bringing it in through the visiting room.

But dude, I, I had black friends in there.

They were smoking.

They They were getting high like three times a day.

Wow.

It's like fucking college.

I mean, they're so bored.

I mean, I don't blame them for wanting to do something.

Yeah.

And there was meth and heroin too.

Yeah.

You know, now, as someone who got locked up for drug dealing, how tempting was it to get yourself involved in that while you were inside?

No, not tempting at all because I was short-timing.

You know what I mean?

Short-time in is like anybody who's doing short time.

How, what's considered short time?

I would say five years or less.

Damn, five years would be long for me.

It was extremely long.

I did, you know, two years, and that was long enough for me.

But like, even, I mean, it depends.

If you're locked up with in the feds at like a

USP, which is a maximum in the feds, 10 years is a short time.

So, because you got people doing 50 years life, you know, everywhere you turn.

So, I, to me, it was like I had money saved up from the streets.

Yeah.

So, my family was sending me money.

I gave them a package of money before I went in.

Smart.

And so, I didn't have to hustle.

Like, they could give me, they could put a thousand bucks a month on my books, and that was a huge amount of money in prison.

So I, I don't know, I had it cushy a little bit, I think.

So I just didn't need to do that.

Right.

So a thousand a month in prison, what could you buy inside of prison without?

You know, you get new shoes, you buy CDs, CDs, compact discs.

So I don't know how old you are.

I caught the tail end of it, Duck.

Okay.

So like you, that was all they had.

Now I think they have like MP3s and shit.

But when I was in there 2010, 2011, it was still CD players.

So you would or you would buy CDs that they were censored.

So I'm listening to like young GZ with no cussing in it.

I'm like, this doesn't make me want to be nonviolent, you fucking pricks.

Just let us listen to shit with swearing in it.

So you buy CDs, you buy Jordans,

you would buy extra baked goods from like the kitchen.

Yeah, but there's not a lot to buy.

It's basically just food

and, you know, shoes.

Yeah.

Or if you're into drugs, like sometimes I would buy joints.

I'd buy little sticks.

I'd feel welcome.

You know what I mean?

Or little or little tobacco sticks.

Yeah.

That was rare, but I did.

That makes sense.

So, yeah.

A large number of patients, I think it's above 80%, go back to prison when they get out.

Some call them patients?

Or sorry.

Yeah, they are fucking mental patients.

Prisoners.

Yeah, for sure.

So, was that worry for you?

Like

getting stuck in the system?

Yeah, I mean,

I definitely was planning on getting out and getting back to it, you know, but just I'm like, I'm going to do it differently this time.

I'm going to be smarter.

I know how to invest my dirty money now.

You know, I've had time to think about it.

But by the end, like the shit that I saw and the people I met, I'm like, I, I, we can't do this again.

It wasn't worth the risk.

Yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

The first time, getting locked up once.

Now that I look back on it, and the shit that I was, the money that I was making versus the time that I was risking was absolutely worth it.

So for two years, the money you were making was worth it at the time.

Yeah, yeah.

Cause, you know, you're talking like a million and a half a year for not

really doing that much.

You know what I mean?

And it took a long time to build up to that.

It was really, it was like, you know, how a startup doesn't take any profit for the first five years.

That's like you could describe my weed career like that, my weed dealing career.

Wow.

But when it finally hit and all the pieces came together, it was just like overnight,

just just more money that I could count weighing the money by the end damn yeah profiting 1.5 in a year off weed is pretty insane so you were moving a lot of volume on yeah yeah 50 pounds a week damn and wasn't double we make but but I made like a thousand dollars profit per pound wow so 50k profit yeah so uh and that was just a spectacular I got spectacularly lucky uh in terms of just timing what the weed prices were doing at the time time.

You know what I mean?

I couldn't do that now.

Now they tanked, I heard.

Yeah, of course.

They've tanked.

They've come back up and I think they're back down again.

I don't know.

It's like, apparently there's still people trapping out there, like doing it illegally.

I mean, of course there are, but, you know, you have to move such quantity to just get any kind of good margin.

I don't see how.

It's tough now because now states are legalizing it.

So you're losing customers by the month.

Yeah, you, you, the states that have high taxes, though, you can, you know, you sell.

I think the hustle, I don't know.

I think the hustle now, if you're a black market weed dealer, is that like in California, you sell

your weed, your pounds that you brew that aren't registered, they didn't go through like the testing, you know, all the state requirements.

You sell them to trap shops, shops that aren't, that don't really have all their paperwork together.

And it's just all cash.

And they sell it without tax.

And that's what keeps the clients coming in.

You know what I mean?

So the high taxes are what anytime the government tries tries to restrict the free market,

something, there will be a space for the black market.

Yeah.

They did that when they banned alcohol, right?

Exactly.

Exactly.

So when did, how long were you doing this before you got caught?

Let's see.

I mean, look, I was selling

nickel bags from like 2002 when I was 16.

And it really took off when I, or, you know, the hustle, really, like, I really got committed to it in 2004 when I went went away to college.

I went to the University of Oregon in Eugene from Portland.

And yeah, so year after year, it just got a little bit bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.

And then 2009, 2010 is when it really hit.

Wow.

Yeah.

So you were doing it for a while.

What percentage of dealers at that level do you think get caught?

I would say

90%.

I'd say 100% if you never get out.

Wow.

Yeah.

I would say it's you're, I mean, look at, look at the odds.

You're dealing

the laws, state, federal, county laws, they're all created.

A huge bureaucracy, the most powerful country on earth.

All of the laws and the people are against you.

You're just one guy.

So, I mean, I, but yeah, no, I knew people that got out before they got caught and they got out with a lot of money.

Yeah.

So that's, that's possible.

I still think it's a low percentage that do that because they're either drug addicted or like me, you're just addicted to money and the game.

So you know, you need to get out, but it was like

every other 500,000 I made, I'm like, let's just get one million.

Yeah, the money's too good.

1 million sounds nice, but two has got that ring to it.

So, and then there are those who

get caught, get out, and go back to it, and they're able to, but they change things up.

Maybe they're not as big.

There's people that sell, you know, professional drug dealers who hustle for decades.

Were there any signs of getting caught?

Was there any police incidents or anything or did it just happen?

We got raided.

We had a stash house in 2009 where we kept all the work before we shipped it off to the rest of the country.

And yeah, we got raided.

They got about five pounds and I think like 10 grand in cash, which was not much

at the time for Oregon.

So

I got arrested.

I bailed out, got a lawyer.

You know, they wanted to get me to cooperate, but I'm like, I'm not going to snitch on my connect.

They're the ones who are plugging me because I was still, I didn't stop at all.

You know what I mean?

Like the day I got out, I was making a move.

So I got a, but I was on felony probation.

That's like, that's what really woke me up.

I was like, oh, I need to tighten up because I knew the next time I got caught, I was really, I was going down.

I was going to jail.

So when you got caught the first time, it's just like a probation, basically.

Yeah, yeah.

And if I had been in a place like Texas or, you you know, if I had been black or if I had been uneducated, I'm being serious, you know, I probably would have actually gone and done some time.

But I was, you know, I had no criminal record.

I'm in a very liberal state.

Medical marijuana by 2009 was already legal.

So you had to, you had to get caught with a lot to actually go away

and go do time.

So I was able to, you know, I was able to plead, you know, and they were like, okay, well, you have a felony.

You're on three years probation, but you know, we're going to give you like a suspended sentence, it's called.

So, um,

yeah.

And then, you know, you could go do community service, then you have to take piss tests and all that shit.

So

you got to stop smoking for, yeah, exactly.

But again, I was so reckless.

Like, I would just get other people's piss, or I would save, dude, I would get clean and then I would just piss for like two days and keep in my trap house where I bagged up and boxed up all the weed to ship it out.

In the refrigerator, the only thing that was in there was bottled piss.

Saved clean piss

that I would heat up and put like in my leg when I was going into my PO to take a piss test for.

You had to heat it up because P is warm, I guess.

Yes, you put it like you, you put like a heat pack.

How did I do it?

I think you, oh, this is what you do.

You tie a heat pack over the piss bottle and then you put it, you know, just, you don't even have to put it in your leg, you put it in your pocket.

And then, then you see the temperature strip.

And when it's above like 90 degrees, I think, then you just go into the bathroom and you just squirt it into the water.

Wow, that is fascinating.

I got suspended once in high school for pulling a fire alarm.

And to get back into school, I had to pass a drug test.

And I was like smoking five times a day at the time.

Yeah.

I got clean in five days.

When you're skinny, dude, it helps a lot.

Being skinny helps because you have no fat for the THC.

I was 3.2% body fat back then.

Wow.

Because I was a distance runner in high school.

I was a twig.

132 pounds.

Were you?

That's crazy.

At 6'6?

At 6'5, Yeah.

Wow.

When did you have your growth spur?

Like super high?

I'd say like ninth grade.

I grew like four inches.

Aren't you Asian?

Yeah, I'm half Asian.

So where the white side is the height side?

Yeah, my dad was Irish.

So I guess wow.

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that's wild where'd you grow up in jersey oh wow so you must have been must have been like a strict high school because like yeah i was a little dealer on the side too not at your level but yeah yeah jersey was a big market for me jersey was one of my best weed markets i could get i could get you know 200 pounds every month to jersey damn yeah i heard east coast was actually the best because if you're on the west coast it's way cheaper yeah it's harder to turn a profit uh so you know obviously new york city we dealt with dominicans up there they're like professionals Like, I could never get them enough.

They were like, what do you mean you can only get us 30?

Like, they're already, these are already sold before you get them to that.

And I'm like, well, I can't, you know, like,

I'm like, okay, yeah, let me do better.

When you're dealing with transactions like that, people are bringing guns and stuff, right?

Yeah, yeah, but the weed is a lot chiller.

It's a lot more low-key.

Even though, yes, at that level, you know, whenever I would go pick up from

my guys, they would have guns, at least the first few transactions.

I used to buy, my plug was, you know, a Mexican organization in Northern California.

And these guys are from Sinaloa.

And this is when the Sinaloa cartel used to send growers up to those regions just to grow pot.

So, yeah, the first couple of times I met them, those dudes were strapped because they thought I was going to rob them.

But I'm like, no,

this changes my life.

You guys get the best price.

There's no way I'm going to rob you.

So at the really high levels, ripoffs are rare because everybody's making so much money.

It's like it just doesn't, it goes against logic, you know what I mean?

Plus, it's probably a small circle at that level.

So, if you hear of a robbery, you know, cut that guy off or something, yeah, yeah, and of course, it does happen.

Like, I remember I would test out new markets, and you know, I would send a box with like a couple of pounds to a guy

just,

yeah, or I'd take half up front, and then he would just, you know, disappear, stop answering his phone.

But what am I going to to go fucking hurt the guy?

Like, I paid, you know, 2,500 bucks for two pounds.

Yeah, part of the game, right?

Like, it's part of the game.

It's a business expense.

Yeah.

I'm curious how you find the buyers at that level.

Like, what is that process?

Because this is pre-social media.

This is pre-internet, right?

You're just word of mouth.

Exactly.

Yeah.

No, that was, it's a really good question.

That was tricky.

That was almost as tricky as finding the suppliers.

But, you know,

it's a good question.

I mean, luck mostly, right?

One of my best friends that I knew from college, we were living in Argentina at the time.

I was doing like a study abroad.

This is such a white boy college.

It's like I met him.

He was from Jersey and all of his friends were big-time weed dealers.

And they were looking for like a West Coast plug.

And so that was just like a perfect match made in heaven.

And then through

them, I met a Dominican guy who went to Rutgers in Jersey.

That's where I went.

He went to Rutgers?

Yeah.

So he, his cousins were all in the game and they lived in Washington Heights, Manhattan, which is the Dominican neighborhood, upper Manhattan.

So through them, that's how I got connected with them.

But then other times I'd be like,

you know, like I would float somebody, like if I could see somebody

wasn't, was moving product, but didn't have the bank role.

Yeah.

I'm like, okay, so you're moving it to somebody who does have the bank role.

So I would say I would either throw them some free weed or some cash.

And I'd be like,

let me meet who's buying from you.

Yeah.

And let's see if I can either float you product.

I would work with people too.

Like if I could see somebody's moving it, like he's moving, he can get rid of two pounds at a time.

I'd give him four or five.

You know what I mean?

And that way he can build up.

his cash reserves.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Were you willing to step on toes?

Were you willing to undercut people to get clients?

For sure.

Do you think that caused some enemies or didn't really matter?

No, no, no, no.

That's free market shit.

I wasn't robbing people.

I mean, in my early days, we got robbed and committed robberies, but that's like petty, low-level shit.

Like, I would,

yeah, like if somebody introduced me, if I'm selling to you and you introduce me to the guy who's really moving it,

I would just step out of the way and deal with him.

Oh, you would just cut the guy out.

Of course.

Or, but he would probably cut you out.

I'm the one, I'm the plug, mostly.

You know what I mean?

So

that's how that works.

The, the, the buyer, this is at a time when the weed market still favored the supply side.

You know what I mean?

Like there was still, it was still the most important thing to have the best,

the best supply, the best price, right?

It wasn't the other way around where now it's like, there's way more supply than there is demand.

Yeah.

So the plug was the most important thing.

I had to pay $10,000 in cash just to meet my suppliers

back in the day.

But I was like, it's worth it.

Just to meet them?

Just to meet them.

Just to meet them for them to be like, okay, bring me $40,000.

To take you seriously.

Yeah.

Wow, that's interesting.

Did you ever want to level up from weed or you were cool with just staying there?

I think I was cool with it because I was like, yeah, this is

why do anything else?

If I could become a millionaire off weed, it's like,

you know,

there's no

only way to make that kind of money selling Coke would be to,

you know, you have to move huge federal amounts of cocaine.

Yeah.

Right.

Like, if I move as much Coke as I move weed, that's like 30 years.

Yeah.

It's risky.

Plus, people can die from.

Yes.

And that gets a lot, it gets a lot trickier for sure.

Yeah.

If it gets laced or something, because weed never got laced, right?

Right.

Well, no, but back, this is before, way before fentanyl.

Right.

Yeah.

Way before that was crazy.

Yeah.

Way before fentanyl.

But look at you now making millions off the podcast, dude.

Oh, it's not good.

It's not me.

It's unfortunately.

Yeah.

But, you know, maybe someday we'll launch it.

You know, we're, we're expanding.

We're growing in different directions.

So, I mean, you got the viewership, man.

If you keep it up, I see shows getting acquired every week now for absurd amounts.

So, yeah, it's, yeah, I've had some, I have some people approach me.

They want to, you know, it seems like the powers that be are trying to like control how to have digital, you know, assets.

Yeah.

So, but that's kind of attractive.

I think an exit.

is a good thing.

I think the days of podcasting that just last forever, like, you know, Joe Rogan.

Yeah.

I think those are basically done.

Like, if you want to maintain a premium on it, you know what I mean?

Like,

I'm starting to think of podcasts now as a three to five year thing.

Same.

I mean, I'm pretty honest with my audience.

I'm building this to sell it, you know?

Yeah.

Like, I'm just being straight up.

Like,

it's a lot of money.

Like, if someone offers a certain amount, I'm probably going to take it.

Yeah.

Tell your fans, hey, look, I'm dating you.

As soon as I sell out, I'm marrying a younger chick.

But that being said, when I sell it, I'm not going to stop podcasting.

No, no, no, no, no.

I'm just saying, like,

oh, I guess what I'm saying is, I think

big podcasts to scale, like, I'm talking about, you know,

podcasts that get hundreds of thousands of views, if not more, every week.

It's a new player to that space, it's going to be very difficult.

It's super hard.

And so that's why I think more concept-driven shows like The Connect

will be the way to go because you achieve you you have this like almost this arc yeah almost this arc of where

it's like a season of your favorite tv show it's like an hbo show right and maybe we'll run it three seasons but like now it's like we've heard i've had every criminal on yeah every stripe of criminal at a certain point it will it will just be like that so you're not going to branch off from crime stuff you're going to stay with it i'm going to i'm going to stay with the brand but do a different kind of format.

Like, it's not gonna be an interview show necessarily, it'll be vlogs and it'll be monologues, right?

It'll be more topical.

Um,

and yeah, and then and then my current page that's popping, the connect, if that may become something more like this, more of like a business or you know, a motivation or political or whatever.

Yeah, but that's what I mean.

So, it's like you could keep doing the channel forever, but I think like switching up brands,

I think that's what keeps it exciting.

And then it keeps you loving what you're doing.

Because I don't want to do anything that I'm bored to doing.

I won't have on someone if I don't think it'll be a conversation.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

If he's just going to promote shit the whole time, I won't have that person on.

Right.

Because there's a few people like that.

Right.

Oh, I imagine in this, in this space.

In the business space.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You probably turned on a ton of people too.

I get people.

There's people that I should have turned down.

You know what I mean?

And that's the problem with having sponsors because you're like, I got to, I have no guests this week, but I got to get something up because we were on schedule with the sponsorship.

So So that's kind of the downside.

I've had a few people on who I'm like in the middle of it.

I'm like, oh, you're lying to me.

That pisses me off.

How can you tell if they're lying?

Just you talk to them long enough.

This is why cops ask you the same question over and over and over again.

Right.

Because they know you're going to get your story wrong.

So it was like that.

It was.

So I had a couple of them on.

One of them did good numbers.

The other didn't.

So I'm just like, I'm like, yeah, no more.

We'll just skip a week.

Yeah.

Yeah, there's no point in lying because if you just lie on so many shows, you're going to get caught up in your own lies.

Yeah.

You know, yeah, exactly.

So, um, but yeah, like my, so I think that's like the

that's really what I want to do.

I want to create different concepts, concepts for YouTube and make them finite.

Any, you probably get asked this a lot, but any guests that you've had on that you really liked, they were your favorite ones.

Yeah, dude.

I've had several.

I mean, Rick Ross was great.

Freeway Rick was great.

Um, this guy named Unique, uh, shout out.

He was a kingpin.

He was like the East Coast Rick Ross, I'd say.

And he's got a fascinating story.

You can go watch that.

We've had a couple of interviews with him.

And then, yeah,

I enjoy a lot of people.

Like,

you know, even like I had a cop on.

He was really good.

He infiltrated the Crips as a whole.

You got both perspectives on it.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I had, yeah, the mob guys.

I fucking love.

I just love fucking old guineas from New York.

They're so funny.

They're so friendly.

Like, they're, you know, they're just such stereotypes, but they're always really good people.

So, yeah, I really like them.

Yeah, yeah.

So, no, it's been quite a journey, but we're keeping it rocking.

Absolutely.

Did you have Johnny Chang on?

No.

Okay, that was someone else.

That guy's blowing up, man.

Yeah.

Have you seen him?

What's his thing?

He's part of the Asian gang.

I forget which Asian gang it was, but he is just blowing up.

I had a real Asian guy off.

Oh, yeah.

Like, I'm talking like, you know, he got, you could barely understand him.

But

he was a gang member from one of the triads in Chinatown in the 80s.

Damn.

And he's talking about extortion payments and he's talking about, you know, fucking bringing heroin in.

through the ports

from China.

This is old school.

Like, these rackets are like, don't even exist anymore almost.

I mean, yeah, that was a super cool interview.

Um,

yeah, we got some good people coming on.

I got Matt Cox coming on in a few weeks.

That's a legend, right?

That'll be fun.

That'll be fun.

I've seen hours of that guy.

He has so many stories.

I feel like he never runs out, man.

Yeah, I don't know what I'm going to talk to him about.

Yeah, but he even got surgery on his face.

I mean, he went extreme.

Wow, did he?

Okay, I'm going to have to.

Yeah, because he was getting chased for a bit.

So I think, yeah, with the one I saw, he got plastic surgery on his face and couldn't be identified on cameras because there's cameras everywhere.

I feel like it's way harder now to get away with stuff.

It is.

It is.

But shockingly,

sort of like easier.

You think so?

Because LA track your phone, though.

Yeah, I mean, but then you see in LA every other day, there's a smash and grab and like nobody gets arrested.

You know what I mean?

So it's like, it's always like an up and down.

Right.

It does, it's, it's for sure.

Yeah, I don't know.

It seems, I talk to cops and cops are like, yeah, actually,

the odds of you getting away with murder now are actually higher in certain places.

Damn.

Yeah.

That's surprising.

That's a statistic.

Maybe your

producer can look it up.

Because all the forensic evidence, I feel like they're catching murderers from 20 years ago now.

For sure.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I guess maybe a cold case, but they're clearing less murders.

Clearing just means you get an arrest on a murder, like a suspect.

Right.

So, and they say that's because of the war on drugs.

It's taken way more resources away from like local police departments

that would otherwise be investigating homicides.

Wow.

Yeah.

So yeah, smash and grab in LA is nothing.

They don't even show up for that.

I kind of want to get down.

You know what I mean?

I'm off paper.

I'm not on parole.

The

problem with being 6'6 in a smash and grab, there's no denying it.

If I get caught doing something, they're gonna eyewitness testimonials right away.

Yeah.

No one looks like us.

You know what I mean?

I know.

Do you still talk to anyone you were in prison with?

Yeah, I got a good buddy of mine.

He lives in San Diego.

He's doing great.

Nice.

And he, I didn't know know we weren't in the maximum together.

He was, I got shipped off to like a minimum security after I got out of the big, scary maximum.

Uh, and that's how I knew him.

So it was really chill.

But yeah, it was, he was a good guy.

And he was the one, like, I, I would always tell him, I'm going to L.A., you know, I want to be in show business.

I want to write movies and all this shit.

Yeah.

And so he's seen all of it happen.

He's, yeah, it's a real one, bro.

That's cool.

Shout out to him.

Yeah.

Dude, anything you want to promote or close off with?

Yeah, the connect with Johnny Mitchell, my podcast, video series, just, you know, type it in.

I'm all over the internet.

I'm on the road doing stand-up.

I'll be in Tampa, Florida at Side Splitters.

March 7th, I'm a very good stand-up comedian.

So

that's the next step is for the world to see it.

So we're going to

try to pivot on the brand a little bit.

So come out and see me.

And then,

yeah, just, you know, Instagram, TikTok, all that.

Sorry, Johnny Mitchell.

Thanks, man.

If you're ever doing stand-up in Vegas, hit me up.

Yeah.

There's a lot of stand-up in Vegas.

Absolutely, man.

Thanks for coming on.

Thanks for watching, guys.

As always, see you tomorrow.