The Dark Side of Military Life: Assaults and Cover-Ups Revealed I Kelsie Sheren DSH #496

So, there's like women get picked on.

I didn't know, no, not picked on, just high sexual assault.

Like, I didn't even know, oh, incredibly high.

Well, it makes sense because there's so many dudes and they're not getting laid.

And yeah, well, it's funny because what people don't talk about is actually there's a lot of um male-on-mail assaults.

Damn, there's a whole nother world.

I'm not sure.

Oh, yeah, you will have a chat after, but yeah, there's a significantly high rate of um male-on-mail assaults.

And they just you guys just had a Navy ship have to come back to port within 30 days of a deployment because there were over 28 women that were assaulted in a short what, yeah.

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All right, guys, Kelsey Sharon, former military girl here today.

Thanks for coming on.

I love how we started that already.

Thanks for having me.

What a story.

Meeting you at Meltzer Studio.

I was really inspired meeting you.

Thank you.

Yeah, it was wild.

You walked in and I went, who is this guy?

I don't know if I've ever met somebody so, like, honestly, so tall.

And when I started to learn about your story, I was really, really inspired by what you've been able to create at your age.

It's quite possibly

one of the more inspiring younger people I've met in a very long time.

So, really well done, man.

Likewise, with your story, coming over the PTSD and all the mental health stuff.

Yeah, man.

I was super impressed.

Thanks, dude.

You were in the Canadian military right now.

I was, yeah.

How many years were you there?

I only did four.

I did one deployment.

I worked with the, I'm Canadian, but I worked with the Americans and the British as well.

So I did operations with the British, and then I shot artillery with the Americans, and then I was a Canadian artillery gunner.

Wow.

And I saw on another show, you were the only woman in your unit?

Yeah.

So we had an officer that stayed in comms at our FOB.

Then once I went with the British, I was the only female with them.

Dang, what was that like?

Matt, you can imagine.

No, the guys were really solid.

It was just more of a

different, it was just a different experience.

It's just a different experience altogether.

I think working in the military as a female is always going to be tricky, but if you just assert yourself in certain ways, sometimes it's enough to deter any of the bad things that happen to women in the service.

Oh, so there's like women got picked on?

I didn't know.

No, not picked on, just high sexual assault rates.

Oh,

I didn't even know that.

Oh, incredibly high.

Well, it makes sense because there's so many dudes and they're not getting laid.

And yeah, well, it's funny because what people don't talk about is actually there's a lot of male-on-mail assaults that.

What?

Dude.

Damn, there's a whole nother world on that.

Oh, too.

Yeah, we'll have a chat after, but yeah, there's a significantly high rate of male-on-mail assaults.

And they just, you guys just had a Navy ship have to come back to port within 30 days of a deployment because there was over 28 women that were assaulted in a short.

What?

Yeah.

Holy crap.

That is terrible.

Yeah, it is.

It's not ideal.

Human nature.

People can't fight that instinct, man.

They can't hold back.

Well, you would think with service members, discipline would become a part of their life, but apparently they just can't stop

people.

Well, I think they go all in on just that side of discipline, but there's a whole other side that they're not addressing, right?

Well, a lot of people that join the military think about it.

You know, a lot of my friends in the United States were, you know, they're at a point where it was jail or the Marines, right?

So, you know, that you come from interesting backgrounds, all types of people in the service.

But I do notice that there is definitely a pattern and a type of person that joins.

And the military gives people a sense of purpose and it doesn't negate what happened to you before.

If you've had trauma, past trauma or other things happen to you, it kind of just carries through.

And then when you go through service and it's like, shut up and be quiet and don't talk about the issues.

And then they just say, we'll just go drink it off.

You know, you're going to run into a lot of issues.

Wow.

I didn't know they were silencing people like that.

Oh, my gosh.

You had a couple women killed in Texas and their bodies were just found on the base and we still haven't figured out who did it.

What?

Yeah.

I didn't even see that.

Yeah, it's a trip, man.

Yeah.

That is crazy.

And I think the sense of purpose, like you mentioned, while you're in the military, is so high.

Right.

And then I think the struggle when they get out is they lose that, right?

Massive identity loss, massive loss of purpose.

It's one of the biggest reasons why people don't transition well.

And then they also really struggle with the lack of community, lack of purpose, lack of identity.

And so if you leave people to figure that out once they get out, depending on what has happened to them prior, whether it's traumatic brain injury, post-traumatic stress, sorry, you name it, then you throw alcohol into the mix.

You're getting the reason why we have 44 s a day.

Jeez.

And that's where you were at, right, when you got out.

That's right.

Yeah, I ended up getting med boarded out in 2011.

I was diagnosed in country with post-traumatic stress disorder, and then they were putting me on 11 different drugs and blew me out.

Oh, crap.

Yeah, it was cool.

11 different drugs just for PTSD.

That's right.

It wasn't like painkillers?

No, I was on a lot of SSRIs and uppers and downers for sleep and then to bring me back up during the day, that kind of stuff.

Oh my gosh, and they're probably getting kickbacks or something off these.

Well, think about it.

It's the, you know, the VA system loves veterans because veterans are a vending machine and they're a really good way to constantly turn profit.

Right.

And so it's, it's been an interesting transition for sure.

But I, I, you know, I think ultimately the message in that is that if you can, if you can help veterans find themselves right before they leave and at least give them.

give them a lifeline before they get out of service so that they can then have a purpose once they get out and a community that they can jump into.

Like we were just talking about your awesome human that you work with here.

And it's like about purpose.

If they're just left with no purpose, people flounder.

And that's like that in any part of life, right?

The people I coach, the people I work with, it's they feel stuck.

And it's because they don't have a greater purpose.

They don't have a reason to wake up in the morning.

They don't get excited about what they do.

They live in this

world of, I want to get forward.

I want to go forward.

I want to do this.

I want to do that.

But fear will stop anybody from doing anything.

And not only that, is people will

latch on to alcohol or or drugs to just numb out pain rather than

feeling it to be able to heal it because it's really difficult to do so, whether it's lack of mental health support, lack of services, lack of community, you name it.

Once you leave service, you take that uniform off.

You can't rest on your laurels.

You have to keep going forward.

You have to find something new to do and you have to find a new identity.

And that's the most difficult part that I see with people transitioning.

And I was one of those.

So I'm not saying like any shame to I'm just saying it is transition out of service, out of professional athlete sports out of police departments firefighters anytime you leave a team like a support network these people anytime you leave that if you don't have something to fall back on you flounder and you're alone and you're not really alone but you think that you're alone that's safety not important yeah that's why even just graduating college some people are lost because they don't know what to do well you think about it you go at what, 18 to college nowadays, you spend four years, you get into an immense amount of debt.

You don't really love the programs you're in.

Most people, you don't really learn much anymore at these universities, except for some crazy ideologies.

And then you walk out into the real world and it punches you in the face.

They don't know how to do taxes.

They don't know how to cook for themselves.

They don't know how to look at even purchasing a property because they can't because they're so in debt.

You know, we set our young youth up for a lot harder life than it needs to be.

I think that's why I was so fascinated with you.

And I know I'm going to have you on my show, so I'm going to stop asking you questions, but I am really fascinated by your ability to get where you have been and where where that drive and innate passion and fire comes from.

Because that's

it's it's bred into people a little bit, but that's also taught and that's learned through parents, that's learned through hard lessons and like building resiliency.

So, you are definitely a duck I want to pull apart because I really want to understand where that drive comes from.

Because it's, you are very young for how successful you are.

And I keep saying that because it's not to illustrate the point, but it's to show other people that age really has absolutely nothing to do with it.

If you are, you are as relentless and just driven as you are.

And so I just think it's really interesting to see that you haven't rested on your laurels of just, hey, I did one thing and this is just what I do.

You're just like constantly creative and constantly pushing.

You remind me of like Gary Vee when he started.

That was my idol growing up.

No, right?

In college, I watched him every day and I'm getting him on the show in two months.

No way.

Everything comes full circle.

I'm about it.

When I started this show, he was the first person I wrote.

I had a dream guest list.

He was the first person.

I'm so, I'm so stoked for you.

It's going to be lit.

That's the dream.

No, I don't even know, honestly, because you're telling me these things.

And I think it's just a mixture of so many different things.

It is.

You know, ultimately, I think when somebody is meant for more, you feel it in your bones.

And whatever it is that you do, you'll be successful at it.

And you just have to find what sets your soul on fire.

I think that's the hardest thing.

And when people say,

you know,

I want to make money, but I can't do it with what I love.

So, no, you can, but you just have to be willing to go hard and you have to be an entrepreneur.

And that doesn't have hours and that doesn't have stop times.

And you have to be able to be constantly creating content like Gary talks about.

Like you have to be consistent and you have to be pushing content constantly.

And that's what you do really well.

It's like the amount of shows you do in person regular like this,

like you're just the next version of him.

Pumping out content.

That's it.

Absolutely.

Yeah, it's brilliant.

And I think looking back on my life, seeing the traumas at the time so traumatic, like my dad was an alcoholic and a drug addict, but it gave me that perspective of not going down that path at an early age so when i was in college i didn't even care to party too much well you had already seen what it can do if it goes wrong yeah i mean relying on alcohol is just not the way to go i used to have to drink to talk to people

I hate that.

I hate that for you.

I hate that that had to be a part of your life.

I hate that it has to be a part of anybody's life.

I'm not a person who has an issue with anybody drinking, but I've seen time and time and time and time again what it can do to people's lives.

It can lower their vibration.

It just messes messes up people with brain injury.

It just, it sets you up in a position where you're not yourself.

You're this facade of yourself.

And it's this mask that you put on.

And, and I get it's fun and I get all of these things, but ultimately, I don't believe it is necessary.

I mean, I don't drink.

I stopped drinking last year.

And not because I had a problem.

I drank maybe once or twice a month, but I was on a book tour and I remember going to an event and thinking to myself, like, I don't want to be here.

But how, how dare I?

Because what a privilege it was.

What an honor.

What a just to sit in gratitude for what I'm able to do as a profession.

And I was like, I don't want to be there.

I was like, cause I had a drink, one drink the night before, and it lowered my vibration enough.

I didn't sleep well.

And I did not like who I was the next day because of it.

It doesn't bring me up.

It just plummets me.

Yeah.

I'm big on that vibration stuff, man.

Right?

I know you are.

I was stoked.

I was just hearing a little bit about what was going on in the courtyard not too long ago.

And Bobby, he's like, man, I thought these people were some hippies.

And I was like, yeah, but hippies know where it's at.

Yeah.

That's everything to me.

Vibration is energy, yeah, it is.

And that was really interesting too, because I think it was your manager that was with you at uh app when we do the Apple thing.

And uh, Duck has a trip, but his energy is like pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, like that.

Oh, Jeremy, yeah, yeah, he's a vibe, non-stop.

Yeah, it's important surrounding yourself with the right people, man, because I've been there where it's not the right people.

Well, and that's the thing, too, you have to remember.

And people, I think, kind of forget is they think that they're just the sum of the five people they're around, but you're the sum of the five podcasts you listen to, the sum of the five music artists you listen to, the food you eat, the places you go.

You are constantly surrounded by influence.

And if you are not in alignment and people aren't positive and they are just, yes, man, it's not going to help you in any way, shape, or form.

You need people that are going to be honest with you.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

One of the things you tweeted out, life is happening for you, not to you.

When was that mindset shift for you?

I would probably say when I started using psychedelics to heal some of the stuff that was kind of just stuck.

Yeah.

So about four years ago.

Yeah, that's a major shift.

Drastic, radical shift, radical shift.

I went from the 11 drugs.

I was on the last one.

I was given an opportunity by Heroic Hearts Project to go and to do some medicine.

I had no idea what it was.

Oh, they didn't tell you?

No, no, no.

They told me, but I wasn't somebody.

I didn't, cannabis when I grew up was like, you'll be lazy.

You'll live on the couch.

Same.

Right.

It just wasn't a thing for me.

I didn't do that when I was a fighter.

I couldn't.

So

when I was finally given that opportunity, I was kind of at that point where I had the successful company, I had the husband, I had the child, had everything going for me, but yet yet I still wanted to die.

And I was like, something's really wrong here.

This is just getting worse and it should be getting better.

And then a friend of mine, Griff from Combat Flip-Flops, we were doing a, we were doing a virtual podcast and I didn't know him.

And he leaned into the camera at the end of it and he goes, you good?

And I was like, yeah, man, I'm fine.

Why?

And he's like, are you good?

And I just completely broke down.

Wow.

I didn't know this guy from Boo, but he was a former Army Ranger.

I trust those guys.

And I don't know.

He just grabbed my hand and he was like, look, we got an opportunity in 30 days.

Can you come?

And I didn't talk to my husband.

We talked about everything.

And I was just like, yes.

He goes, it's ayahuasca.

I was like, yes, I don't know.

Yes.

Okay, yes.

And I went and I had such a life-altering, shattering, breaking, putting back together, whatever you want to call it experience that I realized in that moment that, okay.

As much as I grew up Catholic and I had no belief in it at all, didn't resonate, nothing clicked.

The second I sat with medicine and I was able to sit with the divine and feel what it means to be in the presence of God and to allow that opportunity to sit with the people I had lost.

It was

amazing.

It's on my bucket list.

I'm very excited.

I'll tell you, just tell me when.

Yeah.

You went to Peru?

Wow.

I got you.

That is crazy.

I told you.

I got you.

Were you nervous?

No, and you know why?

Because at that point I had sat with enough medicine and I was doing a lot of deep work within it.

So I'm a psychedelic integration coach for Heroic Hearts Project.

And the biggest part is not the medicine, in my opinion.

The biggest part is the integration piece, which happens at the front end and on the back end and the intentionality going into medicine.

And so for me, I'm always a big believer that the medicine will never give you more than you can handle and it'll give you, it will give you everything that you need, whether you want it or not.

So you have to have this innate trust that ayahuasca is going to hold you in this container.

And she does.

And I've seen her work on people before and I've seen the medicine work in ways that you just can't describe.

Yeah.

It's, it's so life-changing and life-saving for a lot of people in our community.

It's, it's actually quite profound.

Yeah, I need to adjust my mindset on it because I fear it and I don't know why.

Maybe there's some demons I have to deal with.

I wouldn't say demons, but I think you have a healthy, I think there's a healthy fear in anything.

And I think there should be.

But if it's something that's calling to you and it keeps coming up and it just keeps showing up in your life, there's probably a reason for it.

But that being said, not everybody's a candidate for psychedelics, right?

Everyone thinks that, well, I'll just go microdose, but not everyone is is a candidate for psychedelics um if you're on medication certain medications absolutely shouldn't be using psychedelics at that time um as well as just you know looking at past addiction right ayahuasca is not something you're gonna become addicted to because it's not fun right ayahuasca is not fun throwing up yeah you you absolutely purge it some people have energetic purges which is like really loud yawning some people sit perfectly still some people vomit aggressively like i do um but ultimately it's just about intentionality when you go into medicine it's about being hyper intentional about what you're there for.

And it's not about going, hey, tell me what my future is going to be like.

It's like, hey, I'm here to learn.

I'm here to heal.

This is what I'm struggling with.

Can you please help me?

Right.

And just almost like you go, people go to church, just like giving that over and saying, like, I trust you unapologetically.

And the people that I'm with, when I, at least when I go, is with the Shapibo tribe.

And these people have been doing this for.

hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and thousands of years.

They know what they're doing.

And at some point, you just have to give yourself over and trust that it's the right thing for you.

And for some people, it's not.

But for me, it was one of the biggest catalysts to change.

Wow.

And you got off all those prescriptions.

I've never been on one since.

Dang.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

And you were on them for years.

Yeah.

I was on them from 2009 to the last one I went off was the

end of 19.

Holy crap.

10 years.

Yeah.

My entire 20s.

That is crazy.

And what people don't understand about pharmaceutical drugs, especially SSRIs, is they erode your gut health and they destroy your libido.

Damn.

Damn.

And they hold you in place and freeze you in place, meaning they just numb you.

They numb you to everything.

I was in that timeframe, I was engaged and I was married and I had a child and I don't remember a lot of my 20s.

What?

Yeah.

That's crazy.

Yeah, your libido is your sex drive, right?

Yeah, it's gone.

It just wipes out.

20s is supposed to be your peak of sex and you're giving it up.

Yeah, I felt nothing.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's how I felt on Xanax.

Exactly.

It's a similar thing.

Like it just numbs your whole body out.

Yeah.

And for the positive and the negative.

So as much as they want to use it for the negative, it affects you massively and the positive too.

But they don't tell you that it erodes your gut health.

They don't tell you that it does damage long term, right?

Right.

They don't.

So were you able to reverse it?

We're working on it.

Yeah.

I've done treatment with Resiliency Brain Health down in Coppel, Texas.

That's what I was talking to Bobby about.

And they are a traumatic brain injury clinic that they work with Delta.

They work with the JTF2 special forces, you know, the Rangers, the SEALs.

And they work with a lot of different veterans and they get people working again.

They get their brains turned back on.

Their frontal lobe, most people have TBIs.

Their frontal lobe is dormant.

And that is your governor.

That controls your

decision making, your moods, your temperament, you know, that erratic behavior.

When your frontal lobe isn't working, you don't have a governor for your life.

Wow.

And you didn't have that working?

No, I was dormant completely.

I was off.

So you were just a bot.

I was just living.

I was, I was, sorry, I was existing.

I was not living.

Wow.

And so that's when I was able to, once you get to a point and you start to realize that I'm not the labels they gave me.

I am not the person they said I was.

I'm, I'm Kelsey, the one that's healed, the one that's working, the one that's doing everything I can to be the best version of myself.

Once you realize that and you actually believe in that and you start to work on your self-worth and your self-love, you start to go, I'm pretty awesome and I don't need those drugs.

And I'm pretty great because of who I am now, not because of who I was then.

And I don't rest on my laurels and my service.

I've done so many things since because I'm a big believer in that.

That can't be everything I did.

I was, I got out at 21.

Like, that's insane.

That's young.

That's when people start usually.

Yeah.

Well, they told me I would never work again.

Oh, you were that injured?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was med boarded out.

Holy.

Yeah, yeah.

92%.

Damn.

What happened?

Read the book.

Okay.

92%.

Yeah.

So my point in that and saying is like, I know people who have lost three limbs and they are professional surfers.

I know people who have lost two limbs and run marathons and ultra marathons.

I know people who have had such severe traumatic brain injuries that universities can't understand how they're functioning normal because their brains aren't lighting up in the spots that need to be communicating.

And yet, somehow these people push forward and push forward and push forward because they don't believe the labels that they're given.

And they lean into the healing and they trust the process and they're relentless in getting better.

But that's hard sometimes, right?

And that's why it's so important that when you walk through the dark and you are the light by yourself going through this path, it is your obligation to turn around and walk back and light it up as bright as you can and start pulling people through as fast as you possibly can.

And that's where that, this life is happening for you and not to you.

I don't regret anything.

I said like when Francis and Constantine asked me that on Trig, they're like, do you regret joining?

It's like, absolutely not.

I don't regret a single thing because it got me to exactly where I am now.

Wow.

So why would I regret it?

It sucked, but it happened for me, not to me.

Impressive.

That was actually my next question.

If you regretted anything.

What about forgiveness?

Have you forgiven everyone?

I've forgiven the people that deserve forgiveness.

Okay.

Because there is that debate if everyone deserves it, right?

I think every human ultimately deserves it, but part of the problem is, is you start messing with kids, you're not going to get my forgiveness.

I have a line.

That's a tough line.

I have a line.

I have a child.

I'm a mother now.

Yeah.

I could not imagine deploying as a mother.

I know a ton of females that have done it, and I don't know how they do it.

I couldn't do it.

I'm just not going to.

Marriages and deployment don't mix usually.

Well, that's why the special operations have a 94% divorce rate.

Holy

I don't know, it's a hot.

It's a trip, man.

I mean, yeah, you hear these stories of people cheating.

I mean, they're without each other for years.

Can't really.

Yeah, it's sad.

I mean, I know a lot of people have like friends of mine.

They've been together 25 years with all special operations and they stuck it out and they work really well together.

They have this partnership because it's more than a marriage.

A lot of these people are partners.

And like my girlfriend, Rebecca Rouse or Alana Stott, they, you know, they're both married to.

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uh you know alan is a member of the british empire and she's an author and she's got her own world and then her husband was uh you know dean stott he was this big like sps badass British soldier and he's a contractor.

He goes all over the world.

But when you have a partner, you understand that time apart is temporary and your life together is your entire life.

And so you understand that you have to go and do things.

And that's okay.

And it's no different than Rebecca and Joel.

They're the same.

I mean, they've been together forever.

And she's an Olympic lifter and Joel's a 20-year Marine.

So they live apart sometimes, but there's this, again, this understanding that we are partners in this life.

Yeah.

And you honor and you respect that.

Because everything else is temporary, but ultimately you're going back to that partner.

And that's not easy for everyone.

But you, that's, in my opinion, you just haven't found the right partner for you in life because it's not about finding a spouse.

It's about finding a partner.

And when you find the right one, you elevate yourself significantly.

And it's cool to see you guys work it out through all the stuff you went through.

He's probably going through some stuff.

So, yeah, no, my husband was a professional supercross racer when I met him, and we've been together 14 years.

Nice.

And so we went through my stint of stuff and we went through his traumatic brain injury stuff.

Oh, he had one too?

Yeah.

So he actually had, what was, what was a trip was he had injuries from when he was racing professionally.

And then

one day, about a hand, was it three years ago now we were sitting in the garage i was smoking a joint and we were watching joe rogan and classic that's just our that man we got a routine we're we are routine religious and um he looked at me and he grabbed the right side of his chest and he goes honey i i think i'm dying and he just dropped to the ground whoa and we took him to the hospital and they're like oh we think it's mental health i'm like no this is not and come to find out this was all during come to find out Canada wouldn't treat us.

They wouldn't let us in.

They wouldn't believe that it was a head injury.

And a friend of mine who was a ranger was actually down at at the brain clinic.

And I called them just bawling my eyes out.

Like, we need help.

I need someone to help me with him.

I'm going to lose him.

He was deteriorating rapidly.

We couldn't understand it.

And sure enough, we went down, did everything.

And they're like, oh, yeah, he has a massive TBI that just basically dropped him.

Damn.

Yeah.

His, everything.

So you'll hit a point and you'll hit a wall.

And then all of a sudden.

testosterone will drop hormone level everything will drop and then he's got nothing left he's completely depleted crap it's scary it's very scary and it wasn't like he hit his head the day before it just randomly happened well that's the thing we're understanding is like there's a lag time of like, you know, seven, seven plus years.

Sometimes this stuff shows up later.

Yeah.

Oh, that's scary.

Well, and that's what I was saying.

You just had this awesome human drop off these amazing cupcakes, cheesecakes, and he was telling me he played for the Lions.

And I was like, how's that CTE treating you?

Ooh.

And he looked at me and goes, I don't think I got any of it.

And I said, when did you stop playing?

And he just looked at me.

I said.

Give it some time.

Damn, I love your honesty, but some people would take that the wrong way.

But they shouldn't, though, because I'm genuinely careful.

I'm like, hey.

You're trying to help them.

No, I'm like, hey, call me.

Call me.

We'll get you hooked up.

Because people deny it, like Antonio Brown's denying it and stuff.

So that's great, but you can only deny it until your body decides to shut down.

Because it will.

And it's not a coincidence.

You see these boxers, you see these NFL players.

They can't even talk in their 50s, 60s.

Dude, I was a Tyekwindo fighter.

I got kicked in the face more times than I can count.

And then when I played rugby, I ripped my eyelid off playing.

Like, I understand head injury.

Yeah.

But

being.

Just because you want to be

blind to the fact that something happened doesn't mean that it's not happening.

Right.

But But the problem is, is once somebody knows what's going on, you now have a responsibility to look after.

And that's scary for people.

I watched my husband deteriorate from that.

It was terrifying.

But I never want another human to ever get to that point.

I want them to be proactive in their health.

I want them to genuinely look at preventative medicine.

And the way that you do that is by doing your blood work regularly, is by looking at your hormone levels, is by being serious about your internals and start getting yourself dialed.

All it takes is a blood test.

Pop it into Inside Tracker.

It's not difficult.

And it will tell you everything you need to know.

I take one every year.

It's so important.

See, I do mine every three months.

Wow.

You should be doing it too.

Three months?

Absolutely.

At least twice a year.

How comes?

How do you fluctuate?

Oh, you fluctuate that much, you think?

Oh, yeah.

Humans fluctuate a ton because if you're taking a bunch of vitamins, you don't know what you're taking.

You don't know what your levels are.

You don't know if you need more of this or less of this.

You're just kind of shooting in the dark here.

You got to know what's going on under the hood before you start to put things into it.

True.

Yeah.

Wow.

Were you able to reverse some of that brain damage for your husband?

Absolutely.

Yeah.

He's definitely on a path upward.

He's been able to start working full days now which is great um he owns a couple companies so you know with atlas and all this he does all the design right and um it's all safety equipment so it has to be dialed and uh yeah absolutely we are we're both on a healing path for sure in terms of the tbis i love that i'm gonna get a brain scan this year with dr amon okay he's amazing i was just at hopaholics with natalie marie i love her and she was telling me about her the scan that she got and i i already told her before we had the conversation i was like your frontal lobe's a mess i guarantee it she goes you think and scan dormant.

Holy crap.

Because she's got concussions.

Listen, you don't need to hit your head.

You need this.

And you know why?

That's it.

Because your brain will hit the skull.

Right.

Your head doesn't have to hit anything.

That's why when you whip forward, it's because your brain is going whopp right up against your skull.

Wow.

Yeah.

And this is all like, I'm not a doctor.

I'm not a specialist, but this is all having been around.

So many of my friends, having been around myself and seeing how different I am from treatment.

Yeah.

And knowing that that there are things you can do, but you have to be constantly proactive.

And that requires effort.

And effort is difficult, especially when the world is the way it is and everyone's hyper-focused downward.

They need to pull out a little bit and look around themselves.

Because if they think it's not a problem now, well, it will be eventually.

And it's much harder to heal as you get older on these things.

It's better to be proactive now and do everything you can now.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

How's the veteran programs in Canada?

Not good.

No.

I don't know.

Same as the VA.

I'm going to get some Canada cancellation, so I don't want to put it in.

No, no, no.

Go ahead.

Canada hates me.

It's cool.

Let's go.

What do you want to know?

Why are you still there then?

We're still there because my in-laws are there.

And we have, we are the only grandbaby on both sides of the family.

Okay.

And they're getting older.

Do you want to take care of them?

I want, well, they can take care of.

Trust.

They got this.

But

I want them to have a relationship.

It's really special watching my son grow up with his grandparents down the street.

I didn't have that with mine, and I desperately wanted that for him.

Your grandparents.

Yeah.

Interesting.

I really wanted that for him.

And it's it's been one of the most beautiful things I've gotten to witness.

And so I want to honor that for them.

Eventually we'll go and we'll bounce.

I know Canada was toying with a digital currency.

That's our line.

That's my line in the sand.

Digital currency.

Yeah.

I think U.S.

is too, though, to be honest.

Yeah.

Well, and that's the thing, too, right?

So it's like, where do you go?

Yeah.

Where do you go?

Because part of the problem is you guys are banning.

It's funny.

You guys are banning TikTok.

Well, we gave you a warning shot and we ban, we have Bill C11, which covers the CRTC, covers the internet wave.

So they ban everything.

We can't see our media unless you use VPNs.

What?

You didn't know that.

You can't go on Facebook?

You can't, but you can't see any ads.

You can't see any news.

You can't see anything unless you have a VPN.

No way.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I have to vote for it.

Yeah,

that's why my YouTube is so small.

Dude, I'm so

demonetized on YouTube.

Yeah, I was going to say, because when you go on big shows, you get hella views.

I went on your YouTube and I was like, well, that's weird.

Yeah.

You know, so that makes sense.

Yeah, my.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, like, the Treg one that dropped two weeks ago is the biggest show.

Yeah, but the numbers are bananas right now on the back end.

It's crazy.

That's insane.

So Canada's like China almost.

It is.

So they're heavily owned by the CCP.

CSIS, which is our FBI, came out and did a large-scale full opening being like, we have a ton of funding coming from the CCP into the Trudeau administration.

So we fully understand.

And then when you have people like Christina Freeland, who family backs to the Nazis, like it's just, there's some dicey stuff going on in our government, including MAID and like the attempts to constantly kill more people using taxpayer dollars so part of the reason i come on these shows because obviously when awesome people invite me i love it so thank you but when i'm given these opportunities i'm doing my best to sound the alarm because you won't see this in canada very much right

and it's important for other people in america to understand that we are your hat and we're burning wow right we have an election next year And if he gets back in, Canada, right now, economically, Jordan Peterson was speaking about this.

We are on track to have the worst economic downturn for the next 30 years in Canada's ever seen.

Our life expectancy has gone down.

In Canada?

Yeah.

Wow.

Why?

I think it's like two years it's gone down.

That's a lot.

That's a lot.

America's at three, I think.

Yeah, it's not looking good here either.

No, no, no.

I wonder why.

There's a lot there.

There's a lot there.

And this election in America, too, is a big one.

So I'm genuinely concerned.

I am watching your stuff like a hawk.

Yeah, we'll see what happens.

Yeah, because it just feels like if Trump can win California and then he doesn't win the presidency, I just feel like a lot of people are going to go to the streets with some violence.

If he wins Cali, that'd be nuts.

I just, I

don't think they've ever voted, right?

No, I don't think a lot of people,

I don't think a lot of people are willing to have Biden back in because they've kind of seen what's happened, especially with your border issues.

It's been a trip to witness.

It's terrible.

You guys then have your borders open and then they come up through New York into Ontario.

Oh, they come to Canada too?

Oh, yeah.

Damn, they're going across the whole country.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, because Canada will also do the similar thing that you guys are doing, right?

Really?

We'll We'll house you, we'll look after you.

So, like, if you come, you get an average of like between like 3,200 to like 4,000 a month if you have dependents and you come in as an immigrant.

In Canada?

Yeah.

So they get paid.

Yeah.

And you, like, not in Vancouver.

You could have.

Oh, okay.

That's like a one-bedroom apartment.

Like, relax.

But that's part of the problem is you've got people coming into the country at paces that our housing market can't handle at all.

We don't have the financial stability for it.

And frankly, it's driving everything up for the people who were born in that country.

And I don't have a problem with immigrants.

My family are immigrants.

But I'm all about it.

They became legal.

Come in right.

I don't have an issue if you come.

But my, like I said, Alana and Dean have been fighting for visas from the UK for four years and they just got them.

Wow.

And they did it the right way.

They had to go back to London and hang out for a month every so-and-so and do it properly.

And they did.

And I applaud that because that takes so much financial, so much financial strain, so much effort.

And anybody who's going to do it right deserves to be here.

Absolutely.

My mom was scrubbing floors, doing dishes.

She came here for college and got her visa the right way.

Right.

And I think that's to be applauded.

Except we tell people that you get the cheat code.

You can come in whenever you want.

And that's just, to me, is not acceptable.

And I'm genuinely concerned.

I think it was, was it Brett Weinstein or Eric Weinstein that was on Rogan recently

talking about the Chinese coming through and the amount of Chinese dissonance they're seeing come through up into America?

All fighting-age males, all military haircuts, just really dicey stuff.

I'm genuinely concerned.

That is very concerning.

It is.

War 3 might be coming.

Well, I feel like if it's going to start in Texas, it's not going to go well for anybody else except for the Texans.

I wonder where Canada will side on it.

Well, I think Canada will side with whoever's going to pay the most money.

And I think you did see Canadians wake up, which is really beautiful.

And that's why when people are like, why don't you leave?

Part of the problem is I believe in Canada.

I love where I live.

Dude, I love where I live.

I'm five minutes from the ocean.

I'm two hours door to door to Whistler.

What am I complaining about?

But I am struggling with what's happening from the, did you see the new hate bill that just came in?

No.

Hate bill?

Yeah.

So they, uh, they modified,

let me see if I can get this right.

They modified the like child online act.

And then they made it, added in the hate bill.

I think it's Bill 63.

I got to double check.

But

essentially, they made it so that if you say something online that somebody deems hateful, they can charge you with a hate crime.

And the punishment is life in prison.

No.

Yes.

That is scary, especially as a podcast.

I'm terrified right now.

Wow.

What about past videos or is it just current, like future videos?

I'm not sure.

I just dropped a gnarly episode this week with somebody who is being banned from the Weightlifting Federation for going against one of the men that's trying to be a woman in their federation.

And so I'm sure, I'm sure my time is coming.

Holy crap.

I'm going to have to private all your videos.

Listen, man.

That's all right.

My videos or my downloads don't come on my YouTube.

Thank God, right?

That's insane.

I would not live in a place where, no, free speech is important to me.

It is, but we've never had it, though.

It's never been in our Charter of Rights.

Oh, really?

No.

America has free speech, but it's never actually been written down in our Charter of Rights.

Wow.

I guess we take it for granted in America then.

Absolutely.

I think most people do.

Yeah, I just assume other countries are like that, but probably not.

Absolutely not.

Interesting.

I mean, CSIS has started going to the doors of Canadians and showing up in masks because people are tweeting that, like, Trudeau should be hanged.

And, I mean, that happens here, too.

If you threaten the president, the CIA is not showing up at their door.

If you're Alex Jones, they are, but yeah, but not some random guy.

Yeah, but just random, like, husband and wives retweeting this.

There's a ton of videos online where CSIS is showing up at the door.

Yeah, for random people, that's a bit extreme, I think.

Yeah, but it's just their attempt to, it's intimidation.

Yeah.

It's intimidation to silence.

And that should say everything to anybody.

If Canada is sending their police department, CSIS, and other government agencies to silence you from tweeting, they are so focused on the wrong thing.

Right.

You know what I mean?

They should be focused on the fact that now our prime minister is telling people, you know what?

Don't worry about having your cars broken into.

Leave your keys on on the dash so they can just steal it.

They literally said to do that.

That sounds like San Francisco.

Right?

Well, because the same vibe, man.

Same vibe.

Now they're learning that they have access to all your messages on Facebook and stuff.

Yeah.

And if you threaten the president, they know.

Yeah.

Of course.

They have access to everything.

And anybody says they don't.

All they need to use is Pegasus.

They need your phone number.

That's about it.

That's it.

Yeah.

They see all your texts.

They see your bank accounts.

Didn't Signal just get bought by Facebook?

Did they?

I don't know.

I heard that.

Maybe I'm wrong, but somebody said that to me recently.

I was like, oh, well, I heard their shit's not even encrypted, to be honest.

So I stopped using it.

What are you using?

Telegram.

Really?

Yeah.

Find that special.

You could do like chats that disappear.

Ooh, I like that.

I'm going to have to jump on that then.

Yeah, that's the move.

What's his name?

Robert Edward Grant.

Do you know him?

He's starting his own messenger.

No.

Yes.

Fully encrypted.

Okay, I need that.

That's fantastic.

Shout out to Robert.

Yeah, absolutely.

Let me know when that's out.

I want to get my hands on that.

I need that.

I need that where I live.

When people text me and it shows up green, I just, I don't respond.

I just don't answer.

Thank God I answer.

I text you in blue.

You know what's really wild too?

And I want to take a second to acknowledge this if we can.

You, out of everybody I know, and you and I both know some really interesting human beings and both of our phones are deadly.

And the one thing I will say that you are one of maybe like the top five people that's ever been like this, you are the person who responds.

You respond.

And I know how busy you are.

Yeah, I get a lot of texts.

But you take time.

I do.

I spend hours a day responding.

But I want you to know, like, that doesn't go unseen.

That is a, that is a, that is not a trait that people possess.

I take pride in it.

Even with my networking events, there's like 500 people.

I manually text every single person myself.

And that takes, now it takes like four or five hours.

Yeah, it's a big deal.

But the fact that you do that, that says a lot about your character and your integrity.

And that's why people go to the ends of the earth for you.

That's the very, that's the difference, right?

Like I have some big people and I'll text them.

And if they don't respond, but then I see them watching my stories on Instagram.

Yeah.

Oh, don't think I'll be texting you back after that.

Yeah.

It's just, I I don't know, I don't believe, I believe that if someone's going to give you their time, I get we all have lives, but I know how busy you are.

I know how busy some of these people are, but yet somehow they get to it.

Yeah.

Right.

It's, it's rude.

I think.

I mean, if they're, if someone's texting you and asking for then and they keep doing that, I won't respond to that.

But it's always like back and forth.

And we have good things we're providing each other.

So yeah, I just think you're, I think you're a good human.

And I think anything that I can, you know, somebody taught me this a long time ago and I believe in it wholeheartedly.

And it's like, anything I have is yours.

Yeah, I'm the same way.

Right.

Because it's like rising tides.

And this is not a zero-sum game.

This podcast world is massive, but yet there's a lot of gatekeepers.

A lot.

Especially at the level we're at now.

Bro.

Oh, my God.

I don't even ask like big shows for guests because I know they'll say.

You know what's really funny?

You say that, but Trig has been money.

Really?

Those guys have been gone to the ends of the earth for me.

I said, listen, I want to talk to Mike Baker.

Yeah.

Because he was recording apparently the day I was in London, but in the morning.

Okay.

And I was like, he was in the room?

That's dope.

And so he came on the show and he loved it.

And he's flying to Vancouver in June.

I I think it's different in the spiritual space because I've had Robert Edward Grant send me guests and a few guys like that.

Yeah.

Yeah, well, Mike Baker's not in the spiritual space neither is Frank.

Oh, trigonometry.

Trigonometry?

I thought they had

a lot of people.

Oh, my God.

No, they have like...

Oh, God, they had a mafia guy on last week.

Okay.

And then they had a British parliament member the week before.

And then they had like university professors, Tony.

There's some good ones out there.

Oh, my God.

I think there is.

I think it comes down to the people.

And I think that reciprocity is not,

it's just not like that anymore.

And i think people if you show up for others they will show up for you truly and genuinely but at the same time i think sometimes people get to a certain stage in their lives and their business and they just don't think that they need to be kind anymore yeah and and i i just don't believe that i don't believe that and they also fear being canceled so they don't want to go on shows like ours because we just have on honest statement yeah honest people yeah but that says everything to me though about you it does it's a shame though a lot of these celebs won't go on and that's and and that's what we were just talking about that's why i want to talk to to Theo so bad.

Yeah, he would go on.

He's different.

Well, and the reason I want to talk to him is because of the, the trauma side of things.

And like, he's got some.

But he's got, yeah.

And I just, when I see him, I see a seven-year-old little boy that needs a hook.

Same with Sean Strickland.

That dude needs some.

He needs some love.

Some love.

Yeah.

He needs some love.

And I think that's the really nice thing is that's why when you surround yourself with good people, you will continually be,

what's the word I'm looking for?

You will continually, if you hold your hands out to the world and say, everything I have is yours.

how can i help you how can i be there and support you the world will always come back and it might not be immediate but you just have to trust that as long as you're doing things for the right reason you're helping people because that's where it's coming from if everything comes from a place of love

That's it.

Absolutely.

It doesn't matter after that, man.

I love that.

Kelsey, anything you want to promote or close off with?

I know you got the book.

Yeah, absolutely.

The book's available on Amazon.

I have a new website, Kelseysharon.com, where you can book any of my coaching or my speaking.

I'm definitely looking to do more keynotes this year.

And I'm definitely looking to work a lot heavier in the coaching space.

And I'm really loving the work I'm doing right now.

But ultimately, I'm just out here just trying to spread the message that you can heal, man, and you can be so much better for it.

And this life is not happening to you, man.

It's happening for you.

Love it.

We'll end it there.

Thanks for watching, guys.

Thanks for coming on, Kelsey.

See you next time.

Thanks for having me.