Sleep Apnea SCAM: Why CPAP Masks FAIL 50% of Users! 😱 I Benjamin Cilento DSH #489

You have to use it,

right?

So just having a CPAP mask and putting it in the drawer next to you is not going to fix your sleep apnea.

You actually have to wear it and wear it the whole night.

And about 50% of people, so it's the gold standard.

CPAP is the gold standard, right?

Yeah.

Curing sleep apnea.

How can something be a gold standard if 50% of the people wind up not wearing it in the first year?

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All right, guys, today we're going to talk about snoring and see if we could fix that today.

Benjamin Salento here today.

Thanks for coming on, man.

Yeah, thanks for having me.

I appreciate it.

Of course.

It's been a major issue.

And we just discussed before, 40% of people have this.

40% of America snores somewhere around there.

It's a massive number of people.

Wow.

Snoring doesn't just disrupt your life and your sleep.

It disrupts all those around you.

It's not just, you know, that weekend that you went out and nobody wanted to stay in your hotel room, but it's your family.

It's your wife.

It's your kids.

Right.

Is that something you struggled with?

Is this why you went down this path?

Yeah, I mean, I actually came up with the name online of the snoring doctor because I snore.

So, and then I also, I mean, I'm a facial plastic surgeon.

I'm board certified and I do a lot of rhinoplasties and facelifts, but I'm also an ENT.

And so I kind of, when I, I turned 50 and my

wife told me, you know, you're snoring every night.

And

within six months, I got tested and I had severe sleep apnea, kind of a shock to me.

Wow.

But when I went and talked to people about what I should do, they just had a single

solution.

They said stick a mask on.

And nobody looked in my nose.

So I had a stuffy nose.

And luckily, I was an ENT.

I kind of recognized the fact that I had severe nasal obstruction.

And the CPAP doesn't work when you have nasal obstruction.

Matter of fact, nothing works.

You got to be a world-class nasal breather to be a human.

I think anybody that's read the book Breathe

knows that we have a long history in humanity of studying the fact that good nasal breathing equals good health throughout life.

If you're mouth breathing, usually you do pretty poor for many reasons.

We don't need to go into here, but you've got to be a good nasal breather.

And I wasn't, and nobody checked.

These were doctors that are good friends of mine.

They're good docs.

They're smart.

They just handed me a mask and said, Yeah, wear that.

I tried to wear it.

Felt like I was suffocating.

And a lot of people, you know, 50 to 80 percent of people fail a CPAP mask.

Wow.

What do you mean?

Well, in the first year, they so in order for something to actually cure you, you have to use it.

Right?

So just having a CPAP mask and putting it in the drawer next to you is not going going to fix your sleep apnea.

You actually have to wear it and wear it the whole night.

Right.

And about 50% of people, so it's the gold standard.

CPAP is the gold standard, right?

Yeah.

Curing sleep apnea.

How can something be a gold standard if 50% of the people wind up not wearing it in the first year?

There's been a couple of great studies, one by a gentleman named Iwada, that showed that of the people that failed CPAP, when you check them out, as I do with a CT scan and maybe a a nasal scope, they got nasal obstruction.

That's why they couldn't wear the CPAP.

Got it.

And so if you fix it, if you actually do what I do is a septoplasty and a turbinate reduction, in my hands, it takes about 10 or 15 minutes to do in the office.

Real easy to do.

All of those people can then wear the CPAP mask or you just outright cure them.

They don't snore anymore at all.

Of his, his numbers were like 43 people who failed CPAP.

He operated on, so all 43 of them had had nasal obstruction, operated on all 43 of them.

Three of them got cured of their snoring and sleep apnea, and 40 of them could then wear the CPAP effectively.

I like that.

Yeah.

It's a very simple idea, right?

There's a lot of gimmicks out there.

There's a lot of things that people hope will fix your snoring and sleep apnea.

But you have to understand that this is a progression.

So the definition of snoring and sleep apnea is a progressive weakening of the tissues of the back of the throat, mixed usually with a nasal obstruction.

I just started snoring recently, and my fiancé told me, which is upsetting to me, because I never had that growing up.

And like you said, it's probably caused from that.

Well, so just think about it.

This is a physics problem, John.

Okay.

So you're breathing through a tube.

That tube is made of flesh.

It's not a PVC pipe.

The nose is the valve at the head of this conduit.

All my engineer friends will get this right away.

So the nose determines how air air flows through this tube.

If your nose is kind of stuffy, and you might not even be aware of it because it's only relative narrowing, the ventori effect, remember high school physics, the venturi effect, if you have a narrowed valve,

air has to speed up to go through there.

And so that causes a low pressure, a negative pressure vortex at the back of the throat.

No big deal when you're 18.

But as you get older, for me, it was 50.

For you, it was

25.

25.

And that's that's very common, by the way.

That negative pressure is able to pull the palate and tongue downward and backward and make the rattling sound.

The problem is, once you start snoring,

it gets worse faster.

So now you have, it's city miles, right?

You're aging and you're beating it up every night.

And so you wind up getting sleep apnea at some point.

For me, it was a crescendo.

I didn't snore for 50 years, and six months into my snoring, I had severe sleep apnea.

Dang.

For guys like you, you might snore for 10 years and you get tested and you got mild or moderate sleep apnea.

Everyone's different, but the physics is still the same.

So what exactly is sleep apnea?

Sleep apnea is a progressive weakening of the back of the throat mixed with a nasal obstruction.

Now, that's snoring, but sleep apnea is a little different in that eventually those tissues, the palate and tongue, become so floppy that they block the throat.

People will tell you when they're snoring that it becomes, it got different a few months ago where I started taking long pauses

and then starting to breathe again.

That pause is an apnea.

Apnea is just a word that means without breath.

That apnea drops your oxygen and your brain has to come out of deep sleep in order to restore tone.

You're awake right now, so you're not snoring.

You snore when you go to sleep and you lose tone.

You block your throat and eventually more than five apnias in an hour, and it's sleep apnea, more than 30 in an hour, and it's severe sleep apnea.

Wow, and scary.

So it is scary because, you know, look, 7,400 people die a day in America for various reasons.

A couple hundred of them die in their sleep.

Really?

A lot of people believe that those are undiagnosed sleep apnics.

Yeah, because they say that's the best way to go out, but it could be from that, right?

Not if we're not if you're 30,

right?

Right.

But look, the bottom line is that quite often a simple nasal procedure, 15-minute nasal procedure, can help you.

It can help restore normal breathing, stop snoring,

and stop the progression into sleep apnea.

Once you have sleep apnea, it's not

sufficient to just fix the nose.

You do have to deal with the palate and tongue.

Got it.

But a lot of things that you had sort of listed,

like nasal nasal strips and mouth guards and things like that, they have a role.

But

the idea is that you need to open up the nose first and then deal with the palate and tongue based on your sleep study, which tells you how many times an hour are you stopping breathing?

How floppy have your palate and tongue become?

Interesting.

So the first process is that nose surgery.

So what happens?

You knock the patient out and are you breaking their nose?

Yeah, so I get that question a lot.

No, not per se.

So

when people say, are you breaking their nose?

They're thinking of a cosmetic rhinoplasty.

And I do that quite often in combination with this because people are like, hey, you're going to put me out.

You're going to do my nose.

Why not make it look better?

So I do always pay attention to form and function.

But this is just through a nostril.

So, you know,

in my clinic, there's an IV in.

We make you sleepy.

It takes about 15 minutes to do.

We go through a nostril.

We lift up the skin over the septum.

We straighten it out and put a stitch in it.

Oh, okay.

Very easy to do.

You go home breathing better that same day.

Most folks, when I had it done, I went back to work the next day.

Wow.

That's cool.

So this would probably be helpful for athletes.

Very helpful for athletes.

I got a lot of high-level athletes, MMA fighters who have had their noses busted.

Right.

People that do triathlons,

firefighters, policemen, people that can't really take a lot of time off, but they have a very physically demanding work.

Yeah, because increased oxygen flow is major especially in sports during the day and when you go to sleep sleep so so sleep apnea the biggest danger from it is the uh the loss of sleep you're you're micro interrupting sleep

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Right?

I mean, if you're constantly interrupting it every night, we know that your testosterone drops down, your growth hormone drops off, and that's the real danger.

That's why you start to put on weight.

A lot of people think that weight causes sleep apnea.

It doesn't.

Sleep and weight are very tightly associated, right?

But the causality is where it gets complicated.

Which is causing which?

There's great evidence that shows if I cure your sleep apnea, your weight drops.

Really?

Yeah, but

if I make you lose weight, your sleep apnea can get a bit better, but it still progresses,

even if I keep your weight down.

Interesting.

So it's not really causal.

So sleep apnea

is probably causing your weight gain.

Your weight gain is not causing the sleep apnea.

Wow, that's fascinating.

Yeah, it's a little bit different than you might think.

Yeah, because I always thought, because you see in the movies, the fat person going to sleep and then they're snoring.

But you're not fat, are you?

No.

You're snoring.

Yeah, that's true.

That's why I was surprised.

Most of my patients are more like you.

Really?

It's only when you really start to get bad that you start to put on the dad bod and start to get out of shape because your growth hormone drops off.

It's why I created a wellness center is to try to get people.

So sleep, diet, and exercise are the three fundamentals of good health.

You knock sleep out and you're on a two-legged stool.

Right.

Nobody wants to be there.

A lot of people neglect sleep too.

Yeah.

I mean, they made us get up at 6 a.m.

in high school.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, listen, you can get up at 6 a.m.

That's okay.

But you have to go to sleep early.

You got to get your eight hours, seven to eight hours, right?

I mean, most people,

if you're only getting four to five hours of sleep,

you're probably not getting the appropriate amount of hormonal stimulation and mental restorative sleep.

Restorative sleep

has to have its time.

You have to have probably three to four cycles of deep sleep, of REM.

And you can't really do that in four to five hours.

So, six to eight hours are probably as low as you can go.

What do you think about these sleep trackers, like the ring one?

I think it's great to be thinking about it.

I don't know if they do anything for you yet, but they help you think about it, right?

They help you understand exactly how much you're getting and concentrate on it, right?

Because if you're not getting good sleep and you're not thinking about it, you're missing out on an entire portion of good health.

Did your wife have snoring issues too?

No.

Lust.

She's like 110 pounds and

she's always in shape.

She has other issues.

yeah

there's a couple viral things on tick tock and the sleeping space i want to talk about yeah first off the mouth tape yeah that's everywhere yeah have you dabbled with that no um you know so

fundamentally

uh mouth taping doesn't make a whole lot of sense from the aspect of um

why you start snoring and why it devolves into sleep apnea.

So if we know that the nasal obstruction is the primary cause of snoring and sleep apnea, and also the weakening of the palate and tongue is the primary cause,

taping over the mouth doesn't help either one of those things.

It does have a very specific use.

Let's say that I fix my nose and I'm trying to wear a CPAP mask and I put the CPAP mask on and it's blowing air.

through my nose and right out my mouth.

My mouth drops open and that happens sometimes.

If you tape the mouth shut, it can really help.

Got it.

So there's definitely a use for it.

And in fact, on one of the sites where they talk about studies showing that mouth taping works,

there were no studies that show that it cures snoring.

The studies that they were quoting were actually where mouth tape was mentioned in the study.

It wasn't the focus of the study.

It was mentioned that it helped people wear their CPAP mask.

So it's a little bit different than curing sleep apnea.

Yeah, that's a bold claim.

Yeah,

anybody that's claiming that it cures your snoring and sleep apnea, I think, hasn't really delved into what sleep apnea and snoring are.

It does have a place, but the place is pretty small.

If 160 million people snore and 40 million or so have severe sleep apnea,

you may be able to help maybe 0.01% of those.

But it is a great business plan

because everybody is going to want to try it.

You start snoring and you're looking for answers and you don't want to go to the doctor, you don't want to take time off.

Yeah, you're going to try everything, right?

Yeah.

And I also think part of it's the price, too, because what you do is probably not cheap.

It's not cheap.

Well, certainly under Obamacare, nothing's cheap anymore.

You have huge deductibles that we didn't even know that was still a thing, Obamacare?

Well, so Obamacare is

what everybody is operating under now.

So Obama came in with his ACA, Affordable Care Act, in October of 2010.

And so all of your insurances are being governed by that doctrine.

It doesn't refer to the marketplace.

It refers to everybody

and every healthcare organization.

They're all operating under the ACA now.

Got it.

And so that's Obamacare.

So there's a reason why.

So when I got out of the military in 2010,

the best plan I could get from my health insurance was United Health.

It was probably about $700 or $800.

That's the best I could get.

And I paid nothing after that.

No deductible, no out-of-pocket,

no co-insurance, nothing.

So you pay that, and that's it.

Now I pay $2,800 a month, and I got a $6,000 deductible.

So I'm not entirely sure that the term Affordable Care Act applies, but that is the inflation, right?

Yeah, that's where we're at.

It's crazy how we're one of the wealthiest countries and our insurance system is just broken.

Well, yeah, but it was supposed to fix it, wasn't it?

And it kind of made it worse.

I think it did.

Yeah.

I mean, people can't even afford health care right now.

I can't afford it.

And you're the top 1%, and you're barely getting a match.

People working minimum wage jobs.

Oh, it's got to be terrible.

Yeah.

It's crazy.

Well, it deters you.

You said it yourself.

You know, you're going to go to

mouth taping and mouth guards and whatnot because it might help and it's very cheap so why not try it yeah right yeah they don't have the luxury to afford the surgery probably yeah not right off the bat no i mean unless you have other reasons that you're spending on health care and you meet your deductible for the year yeah um the other thing so so there were some other um

gadgets or things like nasal strips.

And I wanted to touch on that because nasal strips actually work.

I talk about this on my podcast as well.

You know, nasal strips are important because it increases your breathing.

Anything that helps you breathe better through your nose is going to help.

So not all of these things are without merit.

And mouth guards work really well too because they pull your tongue forward.

And so it opens your throat a little bit.

Where do they fail?

The nasal strip is not going to help you breathe through your nose if you have a big deviated septum.

Right.

So there's a limitation there.

And the mouth guard is not going to work if you have a severely deviated septum either, because if you can't breathe through your nose and you lock your mouth shut with a mouth guard, you're going to feel like you're suffocating.

Same thing with mouth tape.

So should I wear the nose strips when I'm playing basketball?

You should try to sleep with it.

Sleep with it.

If you can get one, they have this little, Joe Rogan talks about a little mouth guard that he puts in his mouth and you don't, they're very cheap.

Mouth guards are like $3,000 to $5,000 if they're made by a dentist.

They're expensive.

because the mold yeah i don't have one but uh but i can tell you that um the cheap ones that you get from the store that pull it forward or online i can't remember what the name of the company was we could probably look it up it's joe rogan talks about putting it in and it helps um that pulls the the tongue forward and if you put a nasal strip on and that it'll probably cure you of your snoring for

now yeah wow It's pretty powerful, especially if you only just started snoring and it's just mild sleep apnea or just snoring.

Yeah, I got to look into that.

Yeah, open your nose.

Remember to put it on the fleshy part of the nose.

Okay, so not up on the bone.

It's the fleshy part.

It'll pull it open.

Got it.

And then

try one of those little mouth guards.

That'll open your airway up completely.

So definitely going to try that.

Again, I don't know how bad yours is.

A sleep study would help somebody know.

How do those sleep studies work?

Do you literally pull up, fall asleep, and then you are.

Yeah, so you so nowadays, most of them are home.

Like I use an Alice system,

and and we give people a machine.

They go home, they wear it for two nights.

It's a little band that goes around your chest here, and then a little piece that goes on your finger.

And you go to sleep for two nights, and it collects data on you.

You bring it back, and we can tell within 10 minutes what's going on.

Really?

Yeah.

Wow, that's cool.

It's a lot of data.

It's not as accurate as the in-house studies, the in-office studies from years ago.

But again,

insurance runs the show and they don't pay for those anymore.

Damn.

You can still tell why you got sleep apnea.

Yeah.

And where are you based right now?

I'm in Houston.

Okay, so everything you do is out there?

Yeah, Houston, Texas.

And I have a wellness center at my place.

I have a pretty good staff.

We're right below the woodlands, about 30 miles north of city center.

Okay.

And

I own a farm.

Sleep diet and exercise is what I push to all my patients.

And so we try to, they come in, we try to cure them of their sleep problems first.

A lot of them already have weight problems because they've had sleep apnea for a while.

And we try and get them back on track.

We use peptides, diet, exercise.

And then I have, I own Redfield Ranch.

I own

a farm to table place in Chapel Hill, Texas, which is just north of me.

I just feel like our food supply has deteriorated over the past 30 years.

And anytime you can get really good non-GMO food with no antibiotics or hormones, do it.

Love it.

I love that you're taking the full 360 approach rather than just fixing them and then sending them off.

That's what I'm saying.

Well, I got a problem with the way allopathic medicine has evolved, right?

So for folks that don't know, allopathic medicine is what I do.

It's kind of what your doctor,

the person you think of at the hospital is the doctor, right?

But

that's not the only way.

Allopathic medicine docs wait for people to get a disease and then treat it.

And if you think about it, I've been doing this 30 years now, and it just seems strange.

So if you come in and you tell me you don't feel good,

and I test you and you don't have any of the agreed-upon names for diseases, I can't help you.

But you don't feel good.

So what do you do then?

Yeah.

It's hard to monetize wellness, but I started thinking about it a lot.

Like,

I can tell that

they're not operating optimally.

I'll get labs on them.

I'll do tests on them.

I'll get an in-body.

I'll look at their fat distribution.

I'll look at their VO2 max, and they're not doing well.

But because they haven't reached, broken some threshold,

I can't treat them.

Wow.

And so I started thinking about, well, how do we do it?

So I started a wellness center,

Butterfly MedSpond Wellness.

And

we work really hard on trying to optimize your life.

Yeah, you're not going to be flying around in a jet on it.

It's hard to monetize wellness.

But trying to guide people out of this sort of slow decline that we're all in, right?

There's a reason that we all get a dad bod.

Absolutely.

And a big part of it's diet.

So with Redfield Ranch, you don't use any antibiotics, hormones.

No antibiotics, no vaccines,

no hormones.

We have

an incredible line of what we call the Iron Age hog.

Yeah.

We've crossed Mangalitza with Durock, and they're beautiful hogs.

They're a deep red, and that's why we call it Redfield Ranch.

But we also have Iberico hogs from Spain,

and we have a full line of beef and cattle.

And so we have a wholesale business where

we sort of supply

our fantastic product to a lot of restaurants in the area.

Nice.

But we also sell direct to consumer

at Texas.

We have a website on Shopify that's redfieldranchtexas.com.

Let me order some tonight, man.

I'm excited.

We got, so I'm a jerky nut.

I love jerky.

Dude, I actually have Iberico jerky.

Wow.

I'm going to try that.

It's not, it's, it's pig-based.

It'll blow your mind.

It's a wet jerky because there's a high-fat content.

I love wet.

I'm not a dry jerky duck.

Yeah, I'm telling you, it'll blow your mind.

Okay.

I love jerky, but a lot of the jerky is so unhealthy.

Oh, terrible.

No, this is very healthy.

This is a phenomenal combination of

some of the best fat on the planet, which is the Spanish aberrico tallow.

And it's marbled.

If you look at our pork chops, they look deep red with a marbling through them.

Fantastic.

Man, you're making me hungry.

I've been fasting today.

Nice.

I'm God's.

Fasting is good for you too, man.

Good for you.

Do you do long fasts?

I wish I did more, you know, but I'm in two basketball leagues, so it's kind of tough because I played one game on a fast and I felt so weak.

I don't know how Kyrie Orbing does it.

I can't imagine that.

Playing at that level and fasting.

I mean, do you do three three days or just one day?

So I play Tuesdays and Wednesdays.

So maybe I could do a three-day one on Thursday to Sunday or something.

That's fantastic.

Yeah.

Do you do three-day fasts?

I do one-day fasts.

It's a little harder when I'm operating five days a week.

It's pretty tough, actually, because I'm getting up real early.

I get up at 4.30 and I do my workout and then go in.

So

I'm working on trying to set up a system where once a month I do a three-day fast.

Yeah.

And I'm trying this year to do a seven-day fast.

That would be.

I I mean, oh, that goes.

That's a total reset.

You start killing like cancer cells, right?

Right.

That's the idea, right?

I mean, we'll find out.

That's cool.

You're the most jacked doctor I've ever met, I think.

No, well,

I had an epiphany when I started

where I cured my sleep apnea.

A very good friend of mine who's an amazing surgeon up in Austin,

he did my nose and I'm able to wear my CPAP really, really well.

Nice.

And I started getting into peptides and working out a lot more.

I was always, I was in the military.

I was a Marine for five years.

Nice.

And I was

an athlete.

So I always was in shape, but getting the dad bod, getting into the 50s, and then the sleep apnea hit me.

Right.

But curing all of that and getting back to sleep diet and exercise, eating really healthy has changed all that.

And got my six-pack back.

And

it's been a journey.

That's cool, man.

Six-pack at your age is a rare thing.

Props to you.

Yeah, man.

And peptides, I'd love to learn more about that because I know certain states banned them, right?

Like Cali.

Yeah, you know, the FDA made a strange move where they took a lot of the ones that were deemed safe for decades and they put them on Schedule 2.

So they're not illegal, but they're a little bit more difficult to get.

But there are still compounding pharmacies that make them.

And we're all familiar with peptides.

I mean, insulin was the first peptide, and it's used all over the world pretty safely.

GLP-1, semiglutide, tearzopeptide, all those things for weight loss and diabetes control have become pretty big.

But there's thousands of peptides out there and it's the way our cells talk to each other because we're just a bowl of soup.

You've got 37 trillion cells in a male and those cells have to communicate somehow so that the liver knows what the skin is doing and vice versa.

Right.

So every cell puts out little receptors and then squirts out peptides.

And the peptides connect to the receptors and they talk.

When they stop doing that, bad things happen.

And that's back to sleep.

That's what happens when you don't get sleep.

When you don't get sleep, your growth hormone is the first thing to drop out.

One night.

So that night that you stayed up hoping that you'd cram for that test and do better in the morning.

It turns out research shows that that doesn't happen.

You actually do worse than you would have done if you had studied till 2 a.m.,

gotten six hours of sleep, and got up at your 8 a.m.

normal and done it.

So

the growth hormone is called growth hormone because we noticed that kids that don't have growth hormone were short.

But

that's not what it does.

It's not just growth.

Every single cell in your body has growth hormone receptors, and

it really is the master architect of health.

So when you're not sleeping well and you don't get your 2 a.m.

burst of growth hormone,

all of your cells start to operate without a conductor.

And it's why cellular efficiency, a word that's been thrown around a lot now, cellular efficiency drops off.

So sleep is real.

When I say sleep, diet, and exercise are the fundamentals of

my

practice, there's a reason behind that.

I mean, you can unpack that.

We could sit here unpacking that for weeks.

Yeah.

The things that

we need from our sleep

are only just starting to be explored.

Yeah.

And so growth hormone is a big part of it.

We all know that we lose hormones about 15% per decade after the age of 30.

Wow.

So you're not there yet.

But I'm way past that.

And I can tell you that

having peptides allow me to create my own hormones again has made all the difference.

Pretty amazing.

That is cool, man.

There's people on the mission to achieve immortality right now.

There are.

Well, I mean, so that's getting down to

some things that I think are a little scary, right?

Because if there's a small subset of people, so the idea is that you can walk back the aging process,

right?

Who's the guy from Harvard?

It's David Sinclair.

David Sinclair.

He's talking a lot about NMN, but really it comes down to our telomeres, right, in our cells.

I don't know if you know about the Hayflick limit.

I don't.

So basically, it was thought that, or it is thought, that eukaryotic cells, which we're made of, have about 60 to 80 divisions in them.

And if you look at our DNA, as it starts to divide, it forms the chromosomes, and then they duplicate and get pulled apart, form two cells.

Every time they do that, the ends of all of those chromosomes, telomeres, we used to think they were nonsense DNA, but they're very important.

Those telomeres get shorter by a defined amount every time you divide.

It's a countdown.

And then they kill themselves, a process called apoptosis.

They kill themselves after about 60 to 80.

We're all turning from grapes into raisins.

We're losing volume and structure.

We're losing the cells that make us human, that make us you and me.

And so after a certain amount of time, you lose so much function that you perish, you die.

Well, what happens if you stop that process?

So if you stop that process, so the person to live a thousand years is already alive.

We're so far down the road on stopping that process.

To me, it's a little frightening, right?

What if there is, is it going to be available to everybody?

What if there is a small subset of people that live a thousand years and the rest of us live, you know, 70?

Right.

That presents a lot of strange problems.

I'm all about trying to be healthy and stuff, but I think there is a limit of what you're willing to do and sacrifice.

Elon Musk said something on a podcast that stuck with me.

And they asked him if he wanted to get involved in that because, you know, Jeff Bezos, Jeff Bezos doesn't look like he did 15 years ago.

That dude looks like a beast.

He's jacked.

Right.

And so, and he put $4 billion into it a few years ago.

Elon Musk was asked the same thing, and he said, no, I immediately answered back, no,

I don't want to be involved in that because

my ideas have their time and then that'll go away.

And I don't want my ideas to stay around.

I want new people to come up and their ideas to take over and create the future for their generation.

Wow.

That was a

pretty deep thing to say.

And

he didn't hesitate on it.

Yeah.

That is deep.

I love Elon, man.

That's a dream guest right there.

Yeah, right.

Yeah.

Well, I agree, man.

Living to a thousand, I mean, it sounds cool and all, but I don't know about that.

Well, but if you could live for a lot longer just the way you are now, that's a very different problem.

If I told you I could make you live for a thousand years, but 800, it's going to be on a ventilator.

You're not going to

diaper on.

But the bottom line is people want to live longer with good years.

Right.

Right.

Yeah, I agree.

Dude, anything you want to promote or close off with?

That was a fun episode.

Yeah, I know.

And appreciate you having me on.

Sleep, diet, and exercise, man.

I mean, getting better sleep and breathing well through your nose is not that difficult.

Just, you know, if you're in Texas, come see me.

If not, find a good ENT and, you know,

try to get your nose opened up.

Cool.

And the rest follows.

And also order some meat, guys.

Redfield Ranch.

RedfieldRanchTexas.com.

Yeah, I'm going to order some.

I'll post it on my Instagram.

Stay tuned, guys.

Thanks for coming on, man.

Thanks so much.

Yeah, I appreciate it.

Of course.

Thanks for watching.

Peace.