Working for Elon Musk and Using AI to Change the World | Vincent Peters DSH #353

got sent to NASA for our first meeting with NASA and there's like 30 NASA people there and just me.

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I'm your host, Sean Kelly, with my co-host, Wayne Lewis, today.

What up, what up?

And our guest today, Vince Peters.

What's up, what's up?

All the way in from Miami, right?

Yeah, yeah, I just got in.

Hell yeah, man.

You're very mysterious, I will say.

I was on your Instagram.

Couldn't quite figure out what you do, but love a brief description.

So I'm an AI researcher.

I have a real estate fund and

an overall technologist and artist.

It makes this kind of a renaissance person.

So all that art on your page was your art?

You made all that?

Yes, yes, yes.

I have art gallery.

Started doing hyper-realistic art with some guys who now work with James Cameron.

And it just took too long.

So then, you know, I just started to do like really raw neo-expressionist type art.

And I kind of like that more.

So than the realistic stuff.

Yeah and you've had big success in the art space.

I feel like that's a tough space to crack but you've been able to

it is I got lucky I came in right at the end of the crypto bull run

and

transitioned some of those digital collectors over to like in real in real life collectors

and it's been a it's been a good

been a good run.

Nice.

So you went from actually working at SpaceX to doing that or you went or you were doing them both at the same time?

I was at SpaceX, and

my kids' mother has a cousin who was telling me to buy Bitcoin when it was like $300.

Dang.

And

then he was like, Yeah, you should buy it.

It's like a thousand.

And then you should buy it.

It's like $3,000.

I'm like, man, if I didn't buy it at $300, I'm not buying it now.

And as it was approaching like $50,000, $60,000, he was like, hey, you should really look at this crypto,

decentralized finance.

And I'm like, all right, I'll take a look.

So I looked and I thought it was all, you know, I thought it was all made up.

And I thought it was a bunch of smoke and mirrors.

But then I realized the opportunity of decentralized finance.

Started my own token.

We did really well.

We're still doing pretty well.

And that created an opportunity for me to leave SpaceX in 2022.

I tried to leave in 2021, but it just, it just...

they wouldn't let me leave.

What were you doing at SpaceX?

I was the lead for information assurance and compliance for all of SpaceX, but the main program I was working was a commercial crew program, sending astronauts to the International Space Station.

Wow.

For a while,

we were relying on Russian Soyuz.

And then with Boeing, they have a company called United Launch Alliance.

They were getting...

their engines from Russia.

So some folks lobbied Congress and was like, hey, we need to send astronauts to the International Space Station with only American mate

ships, right?

And then SpaceX became a leader in that.

And then we sent astronauts with the commercial crew program in NASA to International Space Station.

Wow.

So

I let that effort from an information compliance and assurance standpoint.

So you were working with Elon?

I was working with NASA while working for Elon.

Yeah.

Did you ever need him or not?

We have some very strict non-disclosure agreements, but as part of my my onboarding,

essentially, you go there, you're hired for a job.

It's like you have, so I'm older, I'm 41, so I was 38 when I went.

So it's not a lot of 30-year-olds.

There's a lot of 20-year-olds.

The older guys are in charge of a program or something very specifically.

So my initial meeting was with my boss.

And I saw that my boss was talented in other things that wasn't information compliance and assurance.

And then he's just like, hey, uh, if you need anything, let me know.

And I really didn't believe, you know,

we've all worked places, and you always have somebody looking over your shoulder.

Uh, so my onboarding meeting, got to meet the man, right?

And um, I got sent to NASA for our first meeting with NASA.

And I'm expecting, you know, other people are going to come in from SpaceX, from all over, from Houston and from Cape Cape Canaveral in Florida.

Yeah, and there's like 30 NASA people there and just me.

Wow.

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Oh, I guess I really am in charge.

So

ever since then, it was truly being at SpaceX was actually really a truly

freeing experience where it's like, hey, you are top in the world at what you do.

You may work for Elon, who is top in the world at being able to amass money.

and push innovation, but the people that he hires, he really does trust.

Like he's not going to be looking over your shoulder.

He's going to have to do your job.

You're probably going to get fired wow so and you were out starlink too right right so yeah spacex which we call is like the top one percent of the workforce in the world and then the top let's say five percent of that one percent was at starlink damn uh and we rolled that out that was part of their rollout and crazy yeah in canada north america parts of europe yeah i saw it in my hot tub the other night i thought it was a ufo oh you saw you saw i didn't know what it looked like so i posted i'm like i just saw ufo guys everyone was like that's starlink dude i'm like

yeah yes it's just a mesh of 2 000 satellites that are crazy that you can move uh with the computer yeah so what's the point of putting that up up there in space uh

in 2023 a lot of people don't have really good internet service like oh

i mean you know we have first world problems right but i mean we can go with rise and sprint or whatever right a lot of in remote places there's not uh so you have two different orbits you have geosynchronous orbit which is like way out there and you put a satellite up there and that's like HughesNet.

So that moves in the same,

let's call it geographical location with the Earth, right?

That

path over which the data has to travel is far.

You have lower Earth orbit, which is shorter than geosynchronous orbit, and that's where all the Starlink satellites are.

So if you have an area...

there where there's like an emergency or like a war in ukraine and you don't have internet coverage because you know the russians just blew up your communications uh infrastructure the whole idea is to be able to move those satellites to where the where it's required i knew why you ended up doing that during that war right yeah i saw that yeah so that's uh i was part of uh if you look back in time i was there from 2018 to 22

there was a couple of times where um those satellites were moved and people had no idea how people were communicating yeah that's crazy so you could literally move it remotely yeah

dude oh that's crazy so i never even knew that, yeah.

So, that's that is that is uh some of the stuff that we were working on

daily basis.

I always assumed satellites were just you send them up and they're stuck there, right?

Yeah, I thought that too.

They're controllable, yeah, they're absolutely controllable, yeah.

Wow, that's probably the largest other thing, is one

the largest surveillance network in the world.

Oh, yeah, they see everything up there, I bet.

So, working with the top 1%,

that means from an IQ level, you're genius up there.

Yeah, I would say I'm up there.

I guess, and here's one of the things that I always talk about, because

you sound like a bit of a mystery, right?

Yeah, I don't talk

because there's like standard deviations of genius.

And if you're not within that standard deviation of genius, you're talking to somebody and you're like, I have no idea what the hell this person is talking about.

So

unless someone is really in that standard deviation or seen things that I've seen, it's like,

I can't, I can come on a podcast and talk, but nobody's going to know what the heck I'm talking about.

So it's like, think about this.

I think it was Arthur Schopenhauer who said that

a talented person can hit a target that nobody else can see.

So we're like, oh man, that person is hitting it or that no one else can hit.

Right.

So I'm hitting this target.

You know, that talented person is hitting the target or hitting the shot or, you know, throwing the pass and no one else can like throw, right?

Where the genius hits the target that no one else can see,

and that's the difference.

Is you got you got all these people on podcasts and they're talking and telling people, hey, here's how you hit the targets and nobody else can hit.

But the genius is sitting back and is like, I'm not even going to tell you what I'm trying to hit because I don't need everybody who's talented trying to hit the same target that I'm hitting.

Wow.

So while I'm trying to hit it, I ain't saying.

Yeah, so you're moving in silence.

I'm just moving in silence.

And then the next day, you know, it's like an event horizon with Stephen Hawking talks about you're constantly in pursuit of like this, goal and time and space, and you never get there.

And that's like the idea of the event horizon, but like the genius is like, oh, I want to get there.

And when I get past that point in time and space, like it's too late.

Like, I've already, I'm already there, I've already set up the moat.

Like, you're not coming into this space.

I put up all like the institutional barriers for you to get in.

And it's like, yeah, I mean, people who know they got the juice, like, they're not talking about it.

Like, they'll do, they'll do pop-ups, but they're not every week talking about it.

Billionaires aren't on Instagram or Twitter.

Nah, right.

Yeah, they're moving in silence for sure.

Absolutely.

So what are you working on now that you left SpaceX and Starlink?

So I'm working on

making the human experience indefinite through automation and AI.

Wow.

So I have a crypto project, right?

Which is absolutely about being able to...

finance these creative endeavors.

But I also have a technology.

Everyone's talking about large language models and what Open AI built.

Like people were when in 2018, my passion project has always been this AI thing, right?

2018, I was like, hey, I'm building a content management system to integrate with ChatGPT or GPT-3.

People are like, oh, yeah, this guy's insane.

He's from another planet, right?

But now

the consciousness of people has evolved.

and like we've gotten closer to understanding like that standard deviation of what is GPT?

What is a large language model?

Now it's like, oh, this guy's been working on this for five years.

Like what he was building was more advanced than what Chat GPT is now, right?

So I have a model, a large language model, and I have a large language, a LLM chain

that I'm able to prompt not just a single, a singular language model, but multiple language models.

So think about being able to, in the near future, prompt a room that has the cognitive architecture of Elon, the cognitive architecture of Einstein.

I mean, I have in my computer out there, like a LLM, a large language model, he believes is Einstein.

So you can literally talk to Einstein.

You can talk to Einstein.

It's slow because he thinks.

He has to like think and he creates open responses.

Wow.

But like, this is the world I'm living in.

And it's like for us to solve future problems, these are the types of technologies that individuals need to be working on.

Yes.

What made you, what, what made you even want to do that?

Like, what, what was the thought process that went into like, I'm going to, this is what I'm going to create?

Oh, so I said earlier that

my goal is an indefinite extension of the human experience via automation and AI.

The issue is we in this room, we don't have enough time.

Machines, on the other hand, are unbound by time.

So I can create a simulation in which

We can have 10,000 years worth of conversation in a fraction of a second.

Wow.

Now I can really figure out.

Wow.

So

I have to build that technology to be able to do those things and to create those simulations, right?

I mean, with figuring out how to extend life, right?

We have on the end of our DNA, these things called telomeres, right?

And based off of your,

let's call it your

nurture, right?

Like the environments that you've been in.

If you've been in like a coal or working in a coal mine, like at some point, you're going to to start producing like cancerous cells in your lungs, or you smoked or whatever, right?

If you can reprogram those telomeres, right?

And you can get those

telomeres to go into, as I said, an event horizon where they don't deteriorate, you essentially stop aging.

Now, the issue there is that once you stop that telomere from degrading, you have uncontrolled cell growth, which is essentially cancer, right?

But if you can stop that and stop the uncontrolled cell growth, like you can kind of like put a person in like suspended animation where they don't age.

Wow.

So that's like some of the things that I'm thinking through and like, hey,

I went to SpaceX to validate myself against the top one and top, you know, percentage of that 1%.

It's like, okay, I'm smart.

Yeah.

I can, you know.

I'm just as smart as people.

I've like had more world experience and I can outmaneuver them.

But I got to build these machines that can think about these things and get us to this next evolution of mankind and like who we are and who we're meant to be.

I love that, dude.

Because there were some geniuses back in the day and now we can be mentored by them.

Yeah.

Mentor by them.

I mean, if you got, you know, you got somebody who's a beast, who, who's like really kicking in the financial space,

they die, right?

It takes like two to three generations for wealth to dissipate in these families.

Right.

Imagine having that person around.

all the time and being able to give them fresh information.

Hey, there's a new thing called crypto.

Hey, there's this new thing called decentralized finance.

Hey, there's this,

you know, there's large language models.

And then having that person to be able to continue to advise you.

Like what we're building has one commercial aspect and then it has an individual aspect.

So where does the information come from?

From you.

Wait, how?

What do you mean?

So, so if I'm talking to this entity, where is the entity getting the information from?

Okay.

So we populate the database with

experiential data on the individual.

So 2019, I made a model.

2019, I had these ideas.

I was working with one of Will Smith's lawyers

and

the idea got back to Will Smith.

He's like, this is crazy.

Everything that we're looking at from a familiar standpoint, the Smith family is about posterity, how to impart wealth and knowledge into future generations.

If you can do this, this is it.

So we were looking for ways to collaborate.

And prior to his father passing, he had a terminal illness.

They cataloged about 17 hours of

video and just questions and information on the father.

I said, hey, just give me the data.

Like I've built the systems.

Like I'm not,

I'm not the guy who's like, oh yeah,

here's the PowerPoint.

I'm not doing a PowerPoint.

The system exists.

Give me the data.

I'll show you how it works.

They gave me the data within about six weeks,

three to four weeks, was just cleaning up the data and organizing it.

Like you had a model of Will's father that you could talk to.

Wow.

That had like

could have a full conversation.

Full conversation.

Which is just text or video?

Video.

No way.

Yeah, it's video.

Well, I mean, because he had the video, right?

Wow.

And they weren't open responses.

They were responses from like the 16 hours of video.

But we built the model and that, like, you could say, hey, when were you born?

And then the other thing where i just really i was probably like a vanity project is like hey people see tony stark as like

the most intelligent being in like the marvel universe and he created jarvis right

i'm gonna create jarvis in real life yeah

so i took that model and then i built another model the lm chain the large language model in corporation with another

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And so you can talk to Will's father and say, oh, yeah, I was born in 19, blah, blah, blah.

And they can say, hey, Jarvis, what was going on in the world at this time period?

And Jarvis was like, hey, a gallon of milk costs 40 cents.

A house costs $60, you know?

And I started looking at this and I'm like,

oh, wow, like this is, nobody's going to understand what the heck this is.

But I understand what this will be in, like, 2025, 2026.

Like,

my fortune is going to change dramatically.

I'm already okay, but I'm beyond okay, right?

Yeah, that's insane, man.

He's about to change the world.

Yeah, that's

he told me some pieces about it, but never in debt.

Wow.

Yeah.

This is mind-blowing, man.

This will change the education system.

Absolutely.

I mean, the real thing is, hey, with the AI projects, it's not just the commercial and the governmental application, right?

I'm building a place called Destination Inheritance, right?

And you go there and you like pick what time frame you want to go to.

And everyone who was alive at that point in time in the world, like you can schedule appointments with me.

You want to go chill and watch Napoleon be, you know, coordinated as the ruler of Europe, go watch that.

Like your kids are never going to forget that.

And you're saying watch it, like video?

You're going to watch it and you're going to have a breakout session where you can like talk to them after.

Bro.

That's crazy.

That's insane.

So, so to me, it's like

that's the next Disney world.

Right.

That's like where my mind is.

It's like, hey, I needed to put myself in a proximity and a standard deviation of genius to see how someone changes the world with electric cars, with PayPal, with Space, with Starlink.

And then, oh, okay, I got enough information to go do this myself.

So that's where we're at.

So cool.

I would love to send my kids to something like that, to be honest.

That's insane, bro.

Way better than public school.

Yeah.

Speaking of school.

You graduated from West Point.

Yes, graduated from West Point.

I went to West Point's preparatory school.

MIT, right?

Well, no, that was useful.

It's called USMAPS.

Use MAPS, United States Military Academy Preparatory School.

It was in Fort Mamas, New Jersey, now the headquarters of Netflix.

They bought it out and built like a studio over there.

And then I went to West Point a year after that.

Graduated, got put on medical leave after I graduated, worked around for a bit.

And then

over the last five years, I did some continuing education,

got graduate certificates from MIT and blockchain application and business innovation, and then one from Oxford and just AI.

So yeah, those are my passions.

Those are things that, you know, I spent money to continuously understand.

And

people, you know, people are like, why don't you have houses and all this?

I've been building technology.

I've been building stacks I've been building like technological stacks that are going to like run the future but I'll have all the houses and all that you know in due time but right now it's like I need to build it while nobody else knows what I'm building and then when it's built and people are already like subscribing to it it's too late delayed gratification that's what all the successful people do yeah and it's cool to see you have that education background but you also apply it a lot of people get good grades but they just they're book smart and they can't apply it in the real world yeah and and i mean mean, you know, honestly, some of the most intelligent people I met at SpaceX

were

self-trained people.

Like, there's a gentleman by the name of Matt.

I mean, I always go to him with my questions.

He can tell you anything about the rocket.

He can tell you anything about how we network, anything about like our information security.

He didn't graduate.

He didn't graduate college.

Like, he's a high school, you know, self-taught software satellite engineer, right?

but there's a lot you know i had another guy named noah that worked um in information security with this he left went to amazon he got picked up with a y combinator which started open ai right yeah um he was a hacker you know got picked up by the fbi a couple times that's crazy you know before he finished high school but he he never went to college so you know there is there are self-taught people i'm not saying that's like yeah that's not the way right but there are self-taught people but then you also have a bunch of people who went to school um who who are really intelligent, overeducated, and just dumb and can't apply it to like the real world.

Or like, you know, you talk to some of these people in AI who are professors at Carnegie Mellon and you're like,

are you going to sell this?

Are you just going to research till you retire?

So I think I'm like right at that sweet spot where it's like, I understand the technology from the database to application layer to like the presentation layer.

And I also understand like, I got to be able to sell this to somebody.

Yeah.

And they don't care about the stack.

They just want to understand how to use it to get a competitive advantage or to, um,

I don't know, just win, just win, whatever they're doing.

And you also have the social skills, which a lot of really smart people struggle with, yeah, for sure.

For sure, your network, I saw your Instagram, you know, you're showing with some big names.

How did you build relationships there?

Um,

once I started to focus on like my intellect and letting that be the thing, like, I don't dress up.

Um, I'm in some pretty like exclusive clubs, and like everybody's wearing suits.

Everybody's spending money and like I'm showing up like

this, right?

And it's like not about money.

I mean, it's like I'm probably any room I go in

is like, I'm probably one of the most like traveled or like

intellectually capable people in that room.

So if I'm in a room that I'm talking, like, I don't remember like, hey, this guy's value.

Like, when I first met when I first met you, and Wayne met one of my best friends, right?

We talk every day, and we don't talk great about people and we have people who went to west point who went to harvard business school who went to uh notre dame and got you know got their masters after west point

and we don't work with them we don't do business with them but after we had we had dinner with wayne like my boy's like yo he's value

i'm like yeah he he is nice and appreciate you it's like how do you continue to be valued because once you're valued nobody cares how you dress or what you look like i mean we used to have we used to have guys

at SpaceX walking around and like, like with their shoes off, right?

For real?

Yeah.

And then like, you'll have, you'll go by a guy, right?

And he'll be typing in his desk and like he'll have on shorts and he has his feet up on his desk, but they're ugs, like the furry up.

And I'm like, yo, dress like Sean in there, huh?

But it's like, yo,

what are you doing?

He's like, oh, my feet get cold.

Right.

My feet get cold in the morning.

That's funny.

And it's like, hey, I mean, I do his best in the world.

Most other companies would judge that person so hard.

so when you have the government when you have like the government walk through and they're seeing this

they're like you know what's what's going on here and it's like hey these people are best in the world leave them alone let them be yeah um so a lot of that was part of my job was like to assuse the government like hey we saw yeah we saw elon and joe rogan show we don't like people who smoke dope it's like um oh that was a whole big that was that was a mess the stock went down like eight percent that day right yes that was crazy just for smoking weed For real?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And everybody smoked weed now.

SpaceX is in California.

Yeah, it's legal.

It's legal.

So it was, there was some breaksmanship that went on in that whole process.

But,

you know, it made me better.

It made me better understand how to work with the government, sell a service to the government

in the face of insurmountable odds.

So yeah, it was just a great experience.

I love that.

Yeah, I want to talk about 1640 society.

Wayne was mentioning that.

I've never heard of it, but it sounds pretty awesome.

Yeah, I never heard it before I met him.

I was blown away when he told me about it.

It's like the highest you can get, right?

The elite.

Yeah, it's

pretty up there.

So, um,

how do you get into it for like, how do you even get invited to an event in the Hamptons, a 1640 event in the Hamptons?

Like, what does that invite look like?

Uh, you got to know somebody who's in there,

and then you kind of get put in a situation where like you're put in a room with other members

and then they try you.

Oh, they interrogate you?

Like they try you.

And like either you're just super wealthy, it doesn't matter, right?

Or they're like, oh, we need this person around because we need to understand where to put this family office's money over the next five to 10 years.

And this person understands the market for the next five to ten years.

So

long story short, and one of my side quests, painting,

I did a gallery in Times Square, or I did my Art Basel show last year, which led to me being invited to present in Times Square

last year.

Ended up meeting a person who was formerly married to the largest art collector in the U.S.

Wow, um,

guys worth like nine billion.

Yeah, um, I connected with his ex-wife, started moving around in her circles.

Uh, she actually hosted the 1640,

um,

the 1640 get-together in the Hamptons in 2021.

Just by being close with her, she introduced me to the group.

They knew me as an artist.

They had their big brain there that was like this AI guy who was talking about contextually aware

large language models.

And we were talking, he was talking about the appropriate data that was required because one of the things that they're looking at, even at Tesla, is like, how much data is required for like autonomous driving, right?

And

there's different philosophies in and around that, right?

Yeah,

and I jumped into that conversation, I started to carry that conversation, and they're like, Hey, I thought, I thought this guy was an artist,

and they're like, Hey, do you want to join the meetings, blah, blah, blah.

And then that was it.

So, uh, the one in the Hamptons is actually a lot more accessible when they have ones like outside of the country.

Yeah, it's like, it's like a

pain to get there.

and like then it's not even by the airport.

So, the last one I went to, um, people look at my social media, like, oh, yeah, this guy, this guy's loaded.

He's like, I, I, like, I wasn't gonna make it.

I like, I have my kids, like, I have two kids, like, they're my number one priority.

And

I couldn't go to Guatemala for the first night.

Uh, and they, one of the hosts, he's a billionaire, he's like, hey, I'll send a jet for you.

I can't, I can't, when's the jet leaving?

It's like Sunday.

I'm like, I got my kids until Monday.

So, he's like, all right, we'll just fly down and I'll pick you up from the airport.

So I'm looking, I'm looking at the map of the airport to where we got to go.

I'm like, oh, that's like an hour and a half drive, right?

So I'm getting text after I land.

I'm going through customs.

Where are you at?

Where are you at?

And I'm like, oh, I'm going through.

And then they're like, oh, okay.

Somebody's going to walk you through customs and they're going to bring you here, right?

To your ride.

And I'm like, oh, okay, cool, whatever.

So like, I'm thinking like we're going like in a black car or a van, right?

So I get there and like, it's a helicopter.

And like, I have, you know, I don't like helicopters.

I've had like dreams about like

a helicopter crashed on me.

Like helicopter.

Hell, I was in

California when Kobe, when Kobe died.

Yeah.

I was actually at Will Smith's house

a couple weeks before that.

And Kobe was out there in Calabasas.

Like, that's where, like, it wasn't far from Will Smith's house where his helicopter crashed.

Crazy.

But yeah, I see his helicopter.

I'm like,

so I ended up getting on a helicopter.

I mean, you know, it saved me two hours in traffic to the house.

Did I get closed the whole time?

No, no, I took out my phone.

It wasn't for me.

I wanted to make sure I showed my kids, you know, it wasn't for me.

Um, but yeah, so it's just like you have that level of access.

You have like the chief investment officer for Carlos Slim, right?

Dude, he's worth like 83 billion dollars.

Yeah, who's there dancing and eating and like you know, kicking it, right?

Um, you have access to people like that in like a very relaxed and like non-structured environment.

And yeah,

what kind of opportunities does being around that caliber of people bring?

I know, obviously, the money, but money is very small to them.

I mean, you guys hand over, but like, what kind of opportunities come from being in a group around like that caliber of people?

It's like

to be really like.

To be really wealthy is more of like a familiarity where people are going to be

comfortable with who you are as a person.

Before I did any business,

when Will Smith's brother bought me in, like, they wanted to understand who I was as a person before they gave me the date on their, on their fire.

They didn't care about the money.

Like, are you a good person?

So those opportunities, they give you the opportunity to like network with people in a way where it's like nobody knows that we're in Guatemala, right?

Or wherever we're at.

And it just gives you like a level of like, hey, this person is really chill.

So from that opportunity, like Russell Wilson, the CR is chief investment officer, I had dinner with him.

He had a layover in Miami.

He's like, hey, bro, pick me up.

Let's get, let's get a beer, right?

Yeah.

So it's like,

where are you going to get out of here?

Where are you going to get access to something like that?

And then he's calling people that I don't know in Miami, like, hey, meet this person.

So it helps you like, right.

you know, oh, if these people aren't connected to these people, like they're probably a waste of time.

And then it also causes you to like re-evaluate things, right?

Where you got people like, Hey, I'm gonna send a jet for you, oh, I'm gonna send a helicopter to pick you up.

You get spoiled, well, it's not being spoiled, but like, you'll be with you know, some people, your friends, and stuff, right?

And they got an excuse,

and you're like, Man, what am I?

Why am I

friends with you?

Like, what, what, what, what's the point?

Oh, I got you know, I got a headache, or you know, this happened.

I had people know you, and they send you a jet, right?

And it's like,

Why are you even like, why am I giving you access to my energy?

I think you're canceled.

Wow.

So that's been eye-opening

in that way to just really, you know, I already understood my intellectual worth, but now it's just like

people are often, people are often like

billionaires way before they actually meet that milestone.

So that's like my villain or like superhero journey is like, I'm understanding that.

I'm understanding like, hey, this is energy or this is the type of energy I need, right?

Or the type of people I need around me.

Yeah.

So that being in those environments allow you, you know, so one of the ladies I was sitting next to,

she bought the largest, the most expensive piece of art basel last year.

I had no idea who she was, right?

And then

Russell Wilson's chief investment officer, like, do you know who that was?

I'm like, no.

Oh, she was married to the original programmer for like the Google search engine.

And I'm like, hold on, let me, let me go Google her.

Let me go Google her away.

So she doesn't see that I'm Googling her.

And I'm like, oh, let me, let me go talk to her again.

Right.

So

you're just sitting with people that you have no idea who anybody's at.

It doesn't matter.

Just be respectful and share what you, you know, and then figure out who people are and go link up with them later.

That's cool.

So it's becoming a billionaire goal for you now.

I think being able to move the needle in the way that I see the world

is fit or the future that I see.

Yeah, it requires me to be a billionaire, so it's not a goal of mine, it's a requirement of mine.

Wow, what a statement!

Yeah, a goal, but a requirement to leave the impact he wants.

Oh, bar

do that if you're broke, so yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

Well, Vince, it's been fun, man.

Anything you want to close off with or promote?

No,

thanks for having me here.

Um, appreciate it.

You guys are doing a heck of a job.

Thank you.

Uh, and I know we tried to get together and do this last year, and I didn't realize how big of a deal you were.

We weren't last year.

Well, no, you as you, as an individual

in a certain space, because it was like, we're talking about doing this last year, they do it.

And

my crypto community, like, they lost.

They're like, oh my gosh, this guy's a liar.

And, like, he doesn't, he doesn't know anybody in that network, and this, that, and the other.

And then, like, I got lawyers, right, who worked, who like set everything up.

Yeah.

And they were like pissed.

They're like, oh, you didn't, we didn't do Sean.

Kelly started selling the token.

And I'm like, I gotta buy these guys out.

So, I mean, it wasn't, well, it wasn't like a pressing thing, but like now that we have the technology built, everything is

like stabilized.

It's like you already knew who he was.

Yeah, I knew.

Yeah.

It's just, I didn't realize.

I thought that was a small world.

I didn't realize how big you were to other people.

And then I was like, oh, gosh, these guys are hurt.

They want to kill me.

I didn't come here, but we made it happen, man.

Hey, we made it happen.

Thanks for making it happen.

Coming, man.

Killed it.

Thank you, bro.

Thanks for watching, guys.

As always, Wayne and I will see you tomorrow.

Peace.