Matt LaCroix On Ancient Civilizations, Immortality, Antarctica & Time Travel| DSH #223

Now how far back does our story go?

Is it exactly like what we learned about in school?

Or is there in fact an entire unknown?

Yeah, it seems like no one has a definitive answer of when humans arrived, right?

That hunter-gatherer types of groups all of a sudden made a rapid transformation into agricultural communities and building civilizations and we don't know.

Ladies and gentlemen, we are talking ancient civilizations today.

We got Matt LaCroix here, my man.

How's it going?

Hey, how's it going?

going?

I'm really excited to be here to talk to you, my friend.

Yeah, you're working on a great new documentary, right?

Yeah, I'm part of a team of experts around the world that we are trying to connect a narrative of an origin point of these lost civilizations, these ancient symbols, and what could be this lost story, this thread that we're trying to understand.

You know, how far back does our story go?

Is it exactly like what we learned about in school?

Or is there, in fact, an entire unknown, mysterious chapter of our story long ago that would would completely change our understanding of who we are, where we've come from, and I think even where we're going.

Yeah, it seems like no one has a definitive answer of when humans arrived, right?

Right?

Well, it's not necessarily, let's think of it, we have to differentiate a couple things first.

You know, what, are we talking about anatomical humans like we have now, Homo sapien sapien, or like a primitive human on the earth?

And I think that area is very tricky to navigate because something seems to have happened along the way.

Because it's firmly established through through the geologic record and any kind of evidence we see from ancient cave sites in France and other areas that there is a Neanderthal primitive human that existed here, right?

And then there was like a Denisovian that was even earlier that was even more primitive.

But what we're finding genetically is something strange happened where that hunter-gatherer types of groups all of a sudden made a rapid transformation into agricultural communities and building civilizations.

And we don't know.

Well, we'll see if we can find something that helps to explain that.

But to this point, we really didn't know where that came from or how this division occurred.

And I'm going to give you a perfect example of that.

A site that almost everybody talks about, but it's a good example is Gobekli Tepe in Turkey.

It's in central Turkey.

It's these giant T-shaped pillars and anyone who studies ancient civilizations and lost history has heard of it.

But what's fascinating is that that site is a very, very good representation of showing that distinction in our history.

Because when archaeologists dug down through lairs, they found the hunter-gatherer primitive groups that were there.

You find spearheads, you find different things where they're hunting,

building fires and moving around based on animal herds.

But right above it, like almost out of nowhere, you see pottery and culture and agriculture emerging and

these civilizations that go from hunter-gatherers to something else like that.

Like someone came in, like a traveling group came in, and we have names for those across the world.

Right.

The Abkalu, the great sages, who

we have so much evidence around the world that there seems to be this mysterious group that was traveling around and creating civilizations and then moving on.

Wow.

Right.

That sounds trippy, man.

Yeah.

Is that called the Anunnaki?

Well, that comes from the ancient Sumerian deities of their gods in the beginning.

And there definitely are parallels and connections to that.

Back to that story.

But

I guess what we have to try to encompass and wrap our heads around is that imagine for a second, if we could almost close our eyes and think about the ancient past, imagine civilizations emerging from the source of knowledge that's very divine and powerful.

And they create all these civilizations around the world, and they create the structures specifically for what the purpose of their civilization was, right?

So they didn't find a bunch of malls everywhere and a bunch of bars, obviously, hypothetically.

They found temples that are aligned to the stars and have specific types of stones that seem to be very much for the purpose of reaching higher states of consciousness and something about the energy and balancing the energy of the earth.

But those civilizations,

evidence around the world is becoming very clear now and overwhelming, that those civilizations had reached a maximum.

where they were the most advanced that they had been.

And then globally they were wiped out.

Wow.

But what's important though about that is that the survivors of those civilizations, the great mystics and sages, were the ones who then mysteriously, I believe mysteriously traveled around and then created these civilizations out of the complete disaster.

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of their own,

like potentially a thousand, two thousand years later.

Interesting.

Because I mean,

like, for instance, the last ice age ended around 13,000 years ago.

And

that time period, you know, as the Younger Dryas, was so destructive that we're seeing evidence of catastrophic tectonic plate changes on the earth.

Massive volcanism.

In fact, for the Atlantis story, for those who don't know,

When Solon traveled to Egypt and found out the story of Atlantis, the temple priest there, known as the head priest, was on the Sanchez.

And the other priest told him that Atlantis was destroyed 11,600 years ago, which is exactly the timeframe for when the Younger Dryas and these catastrophic events on the Earth ended.

So it started 13,000 years ago with

these disruptive events across the planet, but it ended, it culminated with a massive disaster 11,600 years ago.

And we can see that on ice core sheets, ice cores from Greenland.

Okay.

Showing that there was a massive disruption in the Earth at that time, warming and cooling and all these things.

And then it just happens to be that the temple priests from Egypt tell us that Atlantis was destroyed exactly on the date that we're seeing catastrophes through the climate and around the world.

There's no way that's a coincidence.

No, it can't be.

Right?

Yeah.

Have you found any artifacts from these ancient civilizations indicating advanced technologies?

Yeah, one of the mysteries is how they created what they did.

And I think that's something we really need to talk about and reiterate because when we look at something like the Great Pyramid of Giza and we separate that, it was never housed for pharaohs.

You know, Khufu was never even part of it.

In fact, the entire Khufu evidence of him being, building that and being involved in that was likely a forgery from the 1800s.

Wow.

It wasn't even real.

The idea is that they found the name of Khufu inside the Great Pyramid.

And then because they found that name, they then dedicated the whole thing to him.

But the evidence is based on that is because there may have been an interest in controlling the narrative of history a bit and how the purpose of the Great Pyramid of Giza could very much open up those gateways of our understanding.

So instead of that, what you do, it's very clever actually.

You fake that there was the name Khufu in there.

You say it was a tomb for Khufu, and then everyone believes it's a tomb, and then nobody looks at the spectacular achievements that they made going into that pyramid.

Two and a half million stone blocks, some over 10 tons each.

It's literally the largest ancient structure on the earth.

And what's fascinating, though, it is mathematically perfect when you look at the half ratio of the earth in relation to the sun and the moon.

They seem to know exactly the dimensions of our planet.

Wow.

What we need to look at and the aspects of this to encompass in our minds now is to tear down the old narrative of what we've been told and try to look at it with fresh eyes again and say, well, what if there's an entire lost chapter of our history where we weren't primitive, but we were the most, in my opinion, the most knowledgeable and intelligent we'd ever been.

We weren't materialistic, clearly.

We weren't using phones.

We don't have any evidence of that.

But what evidence do we have to show how sophisticated they are?

Like you just asked.

Like, for instance, like you just said, the mathematics in the Great Pyramid of Giza, but that's not even, that's just one example around the world.

Give you another is

let's like for instance, take the Great Pyramid.

In the Great Pyramid, there's a, above the king's chamber are massive, massive granite blocks.

Now, most people don't know that the majority of the Great Pyramid of Giza is actually limestone blocks, but within the center of the pyramid, hundreds of feet up, somehow they were engineers in those ancient times were able to create these gigantic granite blocks perfectly smooth and cut and put them into place.

And we have no idea how they did that, except when we find out that they took those blocks from 500 miles away.

They were so specific about what type of stone they wanted that they were willing to transport multi-ton granite blocks over 500 miles from a place called the Aswan Quarry down in southern Egypt.

But what's fascinating is that in that quarry, we still find the evidence of how they were building things, taking things out, manipulating them, right?

Let me give you an example.

The largest obelisk ever created in history is in Aswan, and it never made it out of the quarry.

Okay.

And on that that obelisk, you see these very bizarre scoop marks.

And that's all I can describe it.

It literally looks like ice cream scoops in solid rock.

Solid granite.

Wow.

It doesn't make any sense.

We have no tools today that could do that.

It seems like when people have looked at this from an engineering mindset that they somehow had advanced tools, diamond tips,

saw blades, and these whatever this scoop tool is,

maybe related to heat, heat, something like that, because

we have those stones that were either finished or partially finished with saw marks, literally perfectly cut saw marks, drill holes.

Again, those scoops I told you about for almost releasing something from the host rock and then

carving it.

Yeah.

But what were those tools?

We literally have no idea.

We see the evidence of the markings of them doing it, but we've never found a tool ever.

Insane.

Never found a tool that's ever survived.

We don't know where they went.

We don't know exactly how they even made these things.

So for us to reformulate our minds to this time period, let's imagine that they were creating things out of stone that we would either have trouble or in some cases couldn't do today, especially by hand.

Yeah, seems like we've taken a step back.

And people like Billy Carson say modern-day humans are genetically modified.

Do you believe in that theory?

So Billy Carson's actually part of this documentary film to go to these sites to change history with me.

We're on those sites.

And Billy is, he's 100% right.

We are,

we are entering this phase in humanity right now.

We're making massive leaps in our consciousness.

Physiologically, we're changing.

Our vibrations are speeding up.

We're seeing all of these cosmic alignments that the ancient Maya and the Yuka cycles described.

What's fascinating about that is that they seem to understand that these cycles are predetermined that we go through.

Not that we determine them, but that they're determined.

So if we go through periods of dark ages and lower consciousness, it'll be balanced eventually by periods of higher consciousness and higher energy and light.

It's almost like that's this

There's a seesaw that exists in our story of time periods where we go through these very negative dark times and then we go through these very very positive enlightening times and I think the point of that is that we're coming out of that dark time right now.

War and destruction and humanity trying to find its way and having all these fun tech tools, things that we take for granted and don't even use the right way.

But

we're coming to the age of Aquarius and all of the ancients around the world have prophesied that the age of Aquarius will be the next golden age of a humanity.

Notice I said next though.

I didn't say the.

Oh.

Because like the Yuga cycles say, they say the Yuga cycles out of ancient Hindu civilizations in India say that we go from a golden age and you get knocked back down from a golden age always to a bronze age, then a silver age, and then back to a golden age.

So we're going to silver.

So now we're in silver moving into a golden age, and it's just this cycle repeating itself.

But the point is that if we don't learn what the ancients knew, we will not be able to embody going into Aquarius in the way we're supposed to.

I actually think that our technology and AI and what we're doing is as much as it can help advance us and connect us to others around the world, it could also be our greatest destruction.

For sure, the movie Terminator.

So we just have to be really careful in how we use technology and how not to forget about our connection to

this earth and what we are, to the universe.

Yeah.

Right?

You can't put a headset on and go into a virtual reality world and have the same experience you would.

Absolutely.

In your studies of ancient civilizations, have you seen any instances of immortality or people living extended lifespans?

Absolutely.

It's actually fascinating.

There's a tablet that almost nobody has heard of called the death of billigames.

And bill of games was another name for Gilgamesh.

Okay.

And in that, it describes how there was a point when humans were almost immortal, not quite, but then we've got knocked down to this point of only living, you know, 100 years, 120 years.

And what's interesting is that

There are numerous, numerous ancient texts across the world.

Whether or not it's the ancient Egyptian papyrus that comes out of the kings list there, the Turin king list out of Egypt, or if we're looking at the Sumerian king list, the Urloch list of kings as sages, even in Genesis, talking about

some of the Enoch and others living for hundreds and hundreds of years.

We see this across a wide spectrum.

of ancient texts.

And it seems to be that we had this period of time during what I describe as that other, the previous golden age, that we were living enormous amounts of time like gods.

We seem seemed to be more like demigods back then.

And then these catastrophes subsequently over and over again, not just one, but more than one, have led us to having to not start over, but almost starting over to the point where we think every achievement we have is based on us in the last four or five thousand years.

And I think we ignore the true achievements of the ancients and how we can incorporate that into our thinking.

Definitely ignore.

They don't teach that in history school.

Right?

Yeah, they teach you the wheelbarrows and...

Well, they teach you that consciousness is derived from the brain, right?

Yeah.

Which just makes it so that you live a very limited time and you die and that's it.

They create this fear-based system of this fear-based Darwinian survival system where it keeps people entrained in this illusion, I think, of the world in which we're...

we're portrayed as being just an animal, simple like anything else, but we're smarter.

That's it, they say, right?

And that that we got here just because we're the smartest and we over-dominated our whatever environment.

Except the problem with all of that is that even Darwin very extensively wrote about in his theories and others about

pure evolution from the point of what's called macro evolution versus microevolution.

What that means is that microevolution means small changes and macro means large changes.

The understanding that we're going down now, the mysteries is, like, for instance, is that, like, how come the human genome, why do we have 46 chromosomes, but the entire primate world all have 48?

Oh, every other?

Every single primate on the planet has 48 chromosomes in their DNA.

Wow.

And human beings have 46.

And we're the only ones that have 46.

Like, something happened to...

to two of them.

Yeah.

Right?

Something occurred.

But that's what I get back to when I was talking about earlier is that this division of these hunter-gatherers and this Neanderthal primitive human, and all of a sudden you have something that takes off.

Genetically, we can see that occurred based on experts like Lloyd Pye somewhere around 200,000 years ago.

Dang.

Is that the human brain seems to have doubled in size?

Doubled, like out of nowhere.

And all these traits seem to go into our genetics that were different.

Like, for instance, instead of being stronger and more agile and conducive to the environment, we went the other way.

We're fragile.

We have all kinds of diseases.

we were like messed around with.

And then at the same time, though, we seem to be like divinely connected to a higher consciousness, to something, something greater, something far different than just like a primitive animal.

And I think that that distinction though is what creates this box that controls us in this reality because it creates that illusion of what we are or the illusion of what we're not.

And it defines everything for us.

It defines how we view ourselves,

how we view

our consciousness in the universe, and how we view immortality, death,

how we view

even like what we want to leave behind.

You know, if you realize that your energy is eternal and you live forever, and you know that karmically you're going to come back in another lifetime, this is what every ancient culture says, then don't you think that would probably motivate people very differently in life now

to want to do better, to do good things, rather than just obtaining as much wealth as they can and stepping on everyone's toes along the way.

It's very much part of this mindset of psychological control.

And I think as soon as that tipping point occurs or schools teach us that, no, that the brain actually just is like a, it's like a

consciousness is like a is the brain's like a receiver of consciousness, okay?

And that that's really what it is and that our body is more of just a way for us to experience true lessons in a physical reality, but that we are actually non-physical consciousness and energy that truly never dies.

Because remember, energy cannot be created or destroyed.

It can only change state, which automatically contradicts what we're told right away, right?

Right, reincarnation.

Right.

Wow, that is fascinating.

But yeah, that mindset shift happened for me recently after talking to people like you, like Billy.

I used to fear death.

Now I'm not scared of it.

You know what I mean?

It's powerful, though, isn't it?

Yeah, I've explored past lives, you know, over 700 lives.

So, but that, that's a dangerous area.

Because if humanity goes down that area, I think they're going to start looking at all of their, what they're doing in their daily lives, if they really want to do it anymore, and if they want to bring more substance in.

But

I think that's inevitable.

We're at that point where we're going to shift over from just being just only thinking about wealth and what we can obtain.

And how about like leaving something behind that changes everything forever?

I hope so, man.

Can't wait to see that.

Is it true humans only use 10% of their brains?

I think that it's not something we can just throw out and say that definitive statement i think it's more complex than that yeah but i'll i will say this we we use

vastly less than we than the potential of what we could and i think that that's based on a capacity and what i mean by that is when someone goes down this path of starting to to learn as much knowledge as they can and they start to better in the better themselves they go down that path of trying to reach higher states of consciousness I think that that automatically changes the entire scenario going forward for that person's life and how they want to and how they want to be fulfilled.

But

it's a tipping point because

where we are is unsustainable.

We can't be forever like an empire that consumes.

We have to somehow realize that we're stewards of this earth.

I think that's our purpose here is that we're supposed to be here in this incredible place to learn and grow and change.

And that it's not a prison planet for souls.

It's a learning, it's a teaching school for souls to come here and learn the fundamental lessons that are integral in our development spiritually and in the physical body.

Yeah, I agree for sure.

Now, you've studied megaliths extensively.

Yes.

Have you found any connections?

Because they're all over the world.

Right.

That's a great point.

I like to pride myself on if someone could test me and show me a megalithic wall from somewhere if I can't guess where it is.

I like that little game because I'm, listen, I'm a total nerd when it comes to megalithic walls.

That's what keeps me up at night is studying

an ancient temple wall and be like, well, how do they create the blocks that precisely cut, fit them together like that?

Why do they use the stone they use?

First of all, how do they even manipulate that stone with the tools they had?

That's what I come into my mindset.

But really what we have to think about is that

those megalithic walls and temples are

almost all that's left from civilizations that are so ancient that paper and other things just can't survive right and so we need to study them because they in themselves teach us about the sophistication of that civilization and what they were focused on in in those structures but what's important though

is that when we identified how and identify how advanced they are and how primitive the work of other cultures that came later, it gives us us this ability to say, look, that's not the same civilization that created the structures below it.

They're part of a completely different epic by thousands of years, okay?

And if we can recreate that story, we can try to figure out where these civilizations that built all these incredible things came from, what their influences were.

And that is what I feel these major discoveries with this film with experts around the world in eastern Turkey, with what I call the Ararat civilization is.

And what that is, is when I was looking at ancient megalithic walls, I stumbled upon a new set of discoveries in eastern Turkey in a place called Lake Vaughan, where they had these incredibly precise

megalithic walls, blocks and temples built with basalt and aneste.

And aneste is one of the hardest stones on earth.

And as I started to uncover more and more sites around Lake Vaughan, I realized it was an entire civilization.

Wow.

An entire lost civilization.

And that civilization didn't call themselves anything.

They left nothing behind to call themselves anything.

So I tried to think of the most sacred thing to them.

So I called them the Ararat civilization after Mount Ararat that's nearby, only about 55 miles away.

Yeah.

And

those discoveries blossomed into studying these incredible megalithic walls with the same designs that we then matched in places like Peru and Bolivia, even in other places like Saudi Arabia, in parts of Egypt.

And it got even more incredible than that, though, because not only would we have these giant, highly sophisticated walls, but there were temples there with these bizarre and mysterious relics and symbols carved into them that seemed to connect all around the world as like this origin point.

And that I showed you some earlier in the show, like what potentially could be the first cross in history,

the first chalice, but with a very different meaning than we were told, and connecting back to the ancient Sumerians, with this last Sumerian king that biblical connections later on related to this biblical Noah figure.

But the point is that this narrative and this area of the world, I believe is the origin of those lost civilizations or at least most of them.

Wow.

And as I showed you before, I showed you that step pyramid symbol that's on that box relief from the Keff Temple and how you can see that same symbol across the world in Saudi Arabia.

You saw it

in Peru, in Bolivia, the same exact symbol, as well as the cross being passed around and these like divine triptych doorways of these three aspects of what make us who we are.

The mind, the body, and the soul, right?

Or

in religious texts, they call it the Father, Son, the Holy Ghost.

There's this trinity of what we are that the ancients realized that there are three pieces of us.

And if we can balance all three pieces, we literally unlock this gateway that we become this incredibly high, high conscious, powerful being.

And they left us the blueprints for how to achieve that.

And it seems that these sages and groups around the world then traveled all over the place and created civilizations and temples with that mindset to pass that knowledge behind so that we wouldn't forget who we truly are.

Wow.

And so we can find our way home.

That is incredible.

So these sages must have had a way to travel back then that's different from today's day.

They ended up all over the world.

We have evidence for instance in in mexico

in in the maya their original influencer and the maya went down on a dark path later just like the aztec did but before their original influencer that created everything his name was cukucan and he was their sage and the same exact description literally identical in in the aztec is known as quetzaquatl exactly the same thing And then down in South America, you have Amaru and Viracocha.

And what you find is that there seemed to be these enlightened mystics, teachers, that were going around and just creating these civilizations.

And they described how,

they described what they looked like too, and where they came from.

And what's weird is, well, not weird, I should say incredible, is that take all those stories for a second, for a minute.

They're theory, right?

What about the fact that

there have been elongated skulls, okay, not cranial bindment, natural elongated skulls genetically that have from Tiwanaku in Bolivia, okay, as well as as the Paracas skulls in Peru, and even on an island called Malta in the Mediterranean that has a place called the Hippogeum, incredible oracle chamber.

All three of those places had elongated skulls found over the last hundred years.

Wow.

Okay.

Some of them are very extensive.

There's actually a museum in Paracas that Brian Forrester, who one of the experts on this film I'm leading, is one of the curators who's taking care of those.

This is what I'm trying to say, though.

They did genetic testing of those skulls.

Not just one organization, but at least three from different areas have done genetic testing on those skulls.

All of the genetic testing came back from the same area.

All of it.

You know where it came from?

Where?

Eastern Turkey

and also up towards that Georgia Caucasus Mountains region.

Wow.

Exactly where the Ararat civilization that I discovered in eastern Turkey and how I described how the same megalithic style seems to spread around the world from that point, and the same symbols seem to

spread around the world from that point.

And

the genetics that we find, like, for instance, the kings lists that come out of there.

There's a place called Cavistepi at Lake Vaughan that has a kings list in QNA form written in the stone.

And it states that it was built by King Hike.

And you look up King Hike and you find he's a direct lineage to these ancient Sumerian, mysterious Noah figure.

The story in the rabbit hole gets deeper and deeper when you go down it.

But I just want to announce to people that this film is happening.

We are going in somewhere around the end of May, June with a team of experts around the world to go to every one of these sites and

show the world this mysterious lost story

and connect it.

So if anyone wants to be part of that, please go to thestageoftime.com and you can contribute towards the film and be part of this.

That's so cool.

So you've discovered the first civilization ever.

It looks like it's an origin point.

Yeah.

It's an origin point of, you could call it a divine school, where it seems that the knowledge of how to reach higher consciousness, building incredible temples, all of these things were lowered down or passed down to that one spot, specifically that one location.

And then what's interesting is that we already have all these ancient bloodline narratives of the sons of Noah that say they traveled around the world.

And we're finding the evidence that that's true, but the story is much older.

That's cool.

Much, much older.

So discovering these elongated skulls, does that mean giants used to exist?

It means that humans were very different.

And what's fascinating is when we look at something like Akhenaten, right?

It's an ancient pharaoh from Egypt.

You look at depictions of him, and he has a very elongated head.

I don't know if you've seen that.

The fascinating thing is that you'll have a lot of people bring up cranial enlargement binding.

And they'll say, well, that's what that's from.

They just did that because they wanted to.

But I would say, what about ancient groups groups around the world were mimicking,

mimicking these ancient bloodline leaders that had elongated skulls?

Right?

Because we know that because we found them.

We found the skulls were not altered through cranium and binding.

They were natural genetic skulls that were different.

So there's some kind of anatomical human that existed then that is not really around anymore.

Wow.

So that's when we got modified probably around.

It seems that way.

But those individuals seem to be the ones that were the mystics and the sages.

Like a lost lost group, like a lost chapter to us.

And the reason I say that is because when you find out why this, the last Sumerian king that built these civilizations, his name was Isaiah Sudra or Untapishtim,

you find out that in the story that he had a very important bloodline.

He supposedly had a bloodline that was directly connected to the Anunna.

The ancient demi-like aspect of who we were at that point where we diverged, right?

And that that bloodline had to be preserved.

And that these sites at the Erat civilization at Lake Vaughan was them surviving the catastrophe.

Like, remember, the stories state, a massive flood came in.

The stories are very clear in the Cuneiform tablets, whether it's the Epic of Gilgamesh, the legend of Itzubar, or the Atrahasis, they all contain nearly the same flood story with that same character.

And he's told that he must survive.

and that his lineage of his family must survive.

And he has three sons, okay?

Japeth, Ham, and Shem.

And

those ruins and the temples at

Cavastepi and the Ararat, the direct lineage from King Hike that I mentioned was from Japeth.

So it gets kind of creepy almost.

You're like, wait, wait, wait.

So this is real.

Like this all actually happened.

And that's what's so fascinating about it is

that I believe we may have found the origin point.

Wow.

Yeah, because you hear all these myths, all these stories about gods and stuff, and you just think it's a story.

But you're finding actual evidence.

Archaeological evidence in locations that have only been uncovered, excavated for only five to 10 years in some cases.

Wow.

In the archaeological world, that is nothing.

Yeah.

That is nothing.

It often takes 50 plus years for something to be fully excavated and recognized.

Damn, man.

So when society hears about something, it typically is way after, like way, way after.

And so this is cutting edge, very, very new.

I'm sorry for every archaeologist that's mainstream, that's involved in this that

isn't able to say what they really want to say.

I've read all their archaeological papers.

I know how frustrating that must be.

Why can't they say it?

Well, let's get into that for a second.

I know how frustrating that must be because they know what they've discovered, but no one can say it.

And in the end of the day, the work they've done to recreate and put these sites back together, especially Ionis by far, Ionis Temple, which is why I literally started my own company called Ionis Legacy after this one site for the film and for my own career going forward.

But

that,

they know that it's amazing and incredible, but

they're saying that it was built by the

Erartian civilization that came thousands and thousands of years later, okay?

That built primitive brick and mortar on top and everything.

It's a little bit disappointing, but

it still leaves it open to people like me and Billy Carson and Paul Wallace and Brian Forrester and a lot of these others to go and do it ourselves.

Wow.

Because we can't wait for mainstream academics to change the narrative.

It's our job to do that.

Yeah.

To be the voice of reason for the people and to just create whatever.

Create whatever hypothesis makes the most sense based on the evidence and being as objective as possible.

So you believe there's a group of people that don't want this kind of information out there, basically?

So it's interesting when I looked into this, the archaeologists on site at these places,

they're fascinated by these things, but they all talk about how

the great archaeologists that laid the foundation before them

labeled what some of these things were and what they should be and that automatically had to be stuck in that in that road, right?

If you go to, if you're in archaeology, in archaeology, and I'm going to actually go, part of my goal is to be an archaeologist with an actual, I want an actual degree for it, but

I don't need to go with a mainstream view they want.

I just want the credentials for it to go and do it and do the work with

other archaeologists, because that's my goal.

I'm a self-taught archaeologist, but I want the credentials for it.

And so

imagine a doctrine exists, right?

Doctrine's been around for thousands of years.

And the doctrine has been firmly established since the Holy Roman Empire.

Okay?

Constantine.

And that doctrine then has academics that then write all kinds of papers and create this formulated history that fits into this 6,000-year window.

It has to.

It must.

Okay?

According to them.

And so they find things like, oh, well, we know the Erartine civilization came here and they were a warlike civilization.

So what we'll do is this, the evidence here at these sites, we will misidentify nearly every symbol, nearly every symbol because we're in the mindset of

a war culture that came far later.

But we'll identify the fact that none of the cultural artifacts or

the ingenuity behind the megalithic walls and

the things that they created were at all possible for that other civilization.

It's amazing to see them hinting at that so strongly without being able to say it.

And I'm sorry for them.

I am.

But thank you for doing that hard work to get that done so that individuals like me can then take it and run with it and to take all the archaeological data and say, look, we have all the evidence to prove that these temples and these sites are not only not the Erartian civilization, but I believe that that temple right there, Ionis, that's in front of you, is over 20,000 years old and is the oldest temple on earth.

Wow.

Because there are other ancient Sumerian sites like Eridu, but they're buried and destroyed and they were using brick.

They decided to use megalithic basalt and andesite for the first time in history.

And because of that, that temple seems to have survived the test of time.

Wow, the fact that there's a cross too means religion is very old, too.

Turn this over for a second.

I want you to see something.

Do you see?

This is the Yartine civilization.

This the smooth brown.

Yeah, it looks so smooth.

Now look at the layer underneath for the andesite where the carvings are.

Do you notice how it looks very different very different that is what the arartine the urartine civilization built the the top stuff on top the primitive stuff and the reason why it doesn't look like bricks anymore is because it was bricks but they eroded so significantly that it just leaves like a like a almost like a dirt mound yeah because it just erodes over time right and then look look at the work on the bottom beautiful isn't it more detailed yeah it's it's incredible

and this is like carving so that's what we're talking about is i'm obviously archaeologists are stupid.

But they can't say what they want to see in a lot of cases.

That's a shame.

Yeah, and they look at that.

You imagine having to go into a site like that and knowing what you know and then having to bend to a narrative.

That must be incredibly difficult.

That sucks, man.

It makes me question all the history I was taught growing up, too.

Everything.

Because the teachers are just following a script.

That's it.

They're not actually passionate about it.

Did you know that if you're a teacher in the United States, that you can't teach anything but the pre-described doctrine that was established by the Rockefeller family during World War II.

Wow.

Did you know that?

It was 100 years ago.

The same educational doctrine that has been established since then is still in place now.

It hasn't changed at all.

And if you're a teacher, right, Sean Kelly, Professor Sean Kelly, goes into a classroom.

He's like, hey, listen, guys,

the heck with these books.

You throw them behind you, right?

Let's break it open and talk about history in the way that I have studied and looked at.

You are gone in a week.

You're fired.

You are gone in a week.

That's terrible.

Probably not even a week.

You might not even make it it through the day.

But that's public schools, right?

That's even college.

Oh, college.

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Professors in college can't do it either.

Wow.

That's a shame.

Isn't that sad?

Really?

So anyone that gets an archaeological degree, and I have people that messaged me, they're like, I still want to do it, though.

I'm like, do it.

But just have that open mindset to know, right?

We need an army of future archaeologists that are open-minded that are going to change this narrative.

So we still need that going forward.

Yeah.

I've seen you talk in the past about secret societies.

That really fascinated me.

Do you think they're still around today?

It's interesting because I want to point out that that cross at Ionis is the exact same cross that we then see in the Knights Templar.

Wow.

Exactly the same.

It's called the Red Cross or the Knights Templar Cross.

The same cross is then, and I mean identical, the same dimensions, everything,

is then shown extensively

what the Pope wears on his shirt.

Yeah.

And in the Royal, the British Royals, the British Royal Crown and

the staff, the same crosses on there too.

Insane.

The same though.

For those that don't know, there are over 100 variations of the cross in the world.

There are many, many different kinds of crosses.

The Christian cross has the lower, the longest point is the point where the bottom part comes down and then you have the smaller upper part, right?

Yeah, yeah.

And I don't have the exact terminology for that.

I apologize.

But at Ionis and the Knights Templar cross and these others, the cross is equal on all sides.

Exactly equal.

It's a very different kind of cross, okay?

Now, is it possible, what kind of coincidence is it, that the Knights Templar, this mysterious group that was like protecting ancient wisdom, is using that exact same cross from that location and is almost like they're

like the future sages.

You know, you imagine like those sages are long ago, long ago gone, right?

Dead and disappeared.

But then another secret society, other secret societies emerge trying to do something similar, but imagine that that environment no longer exists.

There are war empires around the world.

Our planet's like kind of in chaos.

People are all fighting.

And so what happens?

You get an organization like the Knights Templar that are, one of their tasks is to protect the original meaning and teachings behind that cross.

I believe that a lot of the secret societies, their function and their purpose came out of preserving some of those ancient ways.

Like we know that the first what?

Multiple founding fathers, first 13 or something, were all Freemasons, right?

And by the way, the Freemason Cross, 33 degree Freemason, exactly the same one.

Wow.

Exactly the same one.

That is correct.

At Ionis.

From this origin point of that.

That's fascinating.

And you can see it right there, right?

Right?

That one right there.

Yeah.

And so secret societies seem to have become more corrupt over time, though.

Yeah.

As As the Knights Templar were systematically eradicated later on, if anybody want to look into that story, that's incredibly sad.

They were originally like the most sought-after protectors of that knowledge.

And then over time, because you got different leadership, they were eventually sought after and executed in

where.

Wow.

Because there was a point made where they decided that they were going to hide all this.

Yeah.

All of this from the world and just keep it in small little groups.

And that's what secret societies became.

And they literally then ended up taking over and like running the world, I think.

Yeah, because you hear about like the Illuminati, the elitist, WEF, or whatever you want to call it, you know?

But I think even they see the writing on the wall that all those, that foundation of sand, like Graham Hancock says, is crumbling all around us.

And I think that

even things like this, it's time.

Yeah.

That old narrative of hiding or having someone just disappear, right?

I think that's over.

And I think the time of disclosure and knowledge and truth is finally coming right now.

I could feel it.

Right.

Day by day.

It's, it's like a knowing.

Like we all know.

You pick, you go up to someone in the street.

You're like, hey,

I talk about like ancient pyramids and lost civilizations.

And I tell you, probably like six out of 10 people are like, I'm really into that.

That's cool.

I want to like, I think about that stuff too.

That's changing so significantly now.

Yeah.

That we're now at that tipping point where people really like know that the old historical narrative is kind of bull.

And we're,

I think we're at that point where people are very open to hear about it, but they're waiting, waiting, like always, for the academic mainstream to change it before they get on board.

Yeah.

It seems to be how it is, right?

You get so many people that know you and they're like, I love what you're doing, but like secretly what they want to say is like, but I can't support you online because, you know, it's not, some people might think I'm crazy.

Yeah.

But that's changing now.

More and more people are not thinking that way.

For sure.

And I would just encourage people to not wait for a mainstream shift and try to think for yourself.

I love that.

Yeah.

Let's end this on a fun one.

What is your take on Antarctica and what's happening there?

That's cool.

Antarctica for me is a very mysterious place.

For those who don't know, though, the ice cap of Antarctica is roughly 500,000 years old.

So it is ancient, ancient place.

Why are there so many governments around the world down there studying?

Someone will go, well,

if we had a scientist next to us, I know what they would, they they would go, well,

we're down there with countries around the world so that we can have an objective understanding of taking ice cores and looking at the climate of Earth in the past because Antarctica is a perfect place for that.

I agree, but how many ice cores do you have to take before you get an idea?

They've already taken ice cores from something like

over a dozen locations across the Antarctic ice cap.

They know, like they know.

So what are they still doing?

Why are there so many scientific organizations organizations down there and like secretaries of state visiting and people I believe that Antarctica may be the key to understanding how to balance the magnetic sphere of our earth

because let me explain something that our planet is based on an energy system called a toroidal field of energy it means that energy flows out of the southern the south pole of our planet flows up through this the top pole if you if anybody wants to look this up right now go look up the toroidal field of energy for the earth okay And you'll see that it's very obvious.

Now, if that's the case and we look at lost civilizations and how the

wobbling of the poles and shifting of the poles may have led to tectonic, massive tectonic shifts and tsunamis and volcanoes, and I actually believe that that was caused by a coronal mass ejection from the sun, which then shifted all the poles and then created chaos around the planet, right?

If that's true, and that happens in cycles, then if you're going to prevent it, you would have to go to Antarctica because there'd be no other way to

manipulate the

magnetic field of the Earth in a way where you could create something.

It's weird to me how someone like Nikola Tesla and all his discoveries on free energy and magnetism just disappears, right?

Yeah.

Disappears.

And then all these mystery things are going on in Antarctica and our poles are shifting right now.

They're flying up to do reintegration for satellites and GPS.

They've been wobbling and we've seen it and it's happening.

The question is,

is that the idea is that they're preventing it from moving too far?

Because that's the idea is

you have a spinning disk, right?

If you cause it to wobble too much, it's going to be like chaos.

It has to be in a steady way, but that spinning, that's the spinning disk can still wobble slightly and maintain its equilibrium.

If I was going to throw a theory out there, I believe they're playing with the magnetosphere of the planet in a way where I think they're trying to quietly prevent those events that have happened in our past.

We're exactly 13,000 years from the last one.

Randall Carlson, great expert in his field, believes that 13,000 years may be a defined cycle.

Of like natural disasters.

Yeah, of coronal mass ejections.

How much have you seen the news about the sun going through changes?

I have.

Right?

Yeah.

So

imagine that maybe they're using some kind of technology to quietly prevent us from going down the same road of our ancestors who, even though they were so highly conscious and spiritual and sophisticated and building temples around the world and doing all these incredible things, they were wiped out.

Yeah, that's scary because they were way more advanced than us too.

But they didn't have the technology we had.

Right.

So perhaps that's why we're going to make it.

You know, do we deserve to make it?

I hope so.

I like to think we do.

There's a lot of good people in the world.

But it's just sad to me that the ancients with their mindsets were wiped out and we're able to survive.

But the takeaway there is why don't we just try to understand what they knew and that way we can make it for the first time ever?

Yeah.

Because we've never had a civilization make it through that cycle.

Really?

Never?

It seems like every time they get destroyed, because remember, Solon traveling to Egypt, the temple priest there, Sancha says oh Solon you Greeks remember one deluge, but there have been many

primarily of water and fire Wow destroying these civilizations and We need to remember that

That we're I want to say we need to remember that while I think that our story is important and we're not just left at the mercy of whatever is going to happen, it doesn't mean that we need to take that for granted and not remember or understand who we were and what we're supposed to be.

I think that maybe is a package deal of us being able to go forward in the future.

I love that, Matt.

It's been a blast.

We'll have to do a part two.

Anything absolutely.

Yeah, anything you want to close off with promote?

Um, thank you so much to everyone who follows my work.

Please go to thestageoftime.com if you want to contribute to the film and be part of this because we're going to be going to Turkey, going to Bolivia, and we're going to be truly changing history.

Love it, man.

Can't wait to see that film.

I'll be supporting you.

Thank you, man.

I appreciate it.

Thanks for watching, guys.

See you tomorrow.