The Power of High-Status Networking: Insider Secrets from Michael Sartain | Digital Social Hour #67

Speaker 1 I have conversations with Andrew Tate. Andrew and I will message each other over Telegram before and after he went to jail.
And he was the one who set me up with those guys.

Speaker 1 And that's how I ended up meeting Rolo and them. But I talked to them about their affiliate program for Hustle University and War Room.
Andrew, Andrew's hundreds, thousands of affiliate parties.

Speaker 1 You know how you get into every party in the Hamptons? You gotta have girls with you.

Speaker 1 You gotta have girls with you. These guys would like end up building businesses basically from going from one party to another with like all these girls with them.

Speaker 1 Like when I go to Dan Bilzerian's parties, I try to put somewhere between 90 and 150 girls on the list for every one of his parties.

Speaker 1 Welcome to the Digital Social Hour. I'm your host, Sean Kelly.
I'm here with my co-host, Wayne Lewis. What up, what up? And our guest today, Michael Sartain.
Hey, what's going on, guys?

Speaker 1 Doing well, man.

Speaker 1 the conversation was so good. We almost forgot to

Speaker 1 forgot the intro. All right, so back to your course.
You're doing 500K a month now? Yeah, yeah. So it's funny.

Speaker 1 So MOA Mentoring.com, we started off, I think the first month we did it, I want to say we did 100K the first month we did it.

Speaker 1 Now, the reason for that, we didn't really know what we were doing with our marketing, but what made it work was that we had so much demand.

Speaker 1 So I've been teaching this for 15 years, but the first 13 years, it was totally for free. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 So the first month the first three months we did a hundred k then it dropped off because we didn't know how to do ads we had no idea how to do ads about that right um and we started doing ads and i had a theory that if our ads if the ads we did not say the word dating because facebook hates that term um because so many pickup artists have gone in there and made extraordinary claims that were absurd uh you you know that's uh crypto stuff it's hard time to post that on facebook as well yeah so facebook ad manager will not that goes to facebook and it goes to instagram youtube's actually more strict to be honest We actually had to change our ads even more for YouTube.

Speaker 1 So, for our

Speaker 1 Facebook ad manager, what we decided, this was my theory, and it turned out to work. Totally, totally by accident.

Speaker 1 As I said, for our ads, we are not going to say the word dating or relationships at all.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk about high-status networking, and we're going to talk about networking with men and women, and networking to help you get a job, help you make more money, help you find mentors, and help you find your dream girl.

Speaker 1 We did say dream girl, that's fine. And then, and then in the copy, in the ad, you'll notice all the girls were stunning.

Speaker 1 They gave me a couple of ads the first time our guy, our editor, gave me back the ads, and I was like,

Speaker 1 at 17 seconds, that girl's an eight.

Speaker 1 Only tens.

Speaker 1 And if you go back and watch the ad, only 10. Only girls that were stunning to be in the ad because we had so much footage from Babes and Toyland and all the bikini competitions.

Speaker 1 And then afterwards, in the ad, the girls are always touching me and they're facing me and I never touch them.

Speaker 1 There was one thing where one of my female friends, I was like hugging her like this and I knew she was my female friend, but it looked like I was like going up to some strange girl.

Speaker 1 I was like, this context is incorrect.

Speaker 1 Girls always have to be facing me and I'm not going to be facing them and they're always reaching towards me or touching me or sitting on my lap and I'm not touching them.

Speaker 1 So we tried that at 26 to 1 ROI. We did that 26 to 1.

Speaker 1 For those of you who are like considering getting into ads,

Speaker 1 the problem with TikTok is that I personally believe 80% of their engagement is fake. I don't think it's real.

Speaker 1 If you guys run the same ad ad on TikTok as you run on a Facebook ad manager and tell me what you see, like it's just really unqualified.

Speaker 1 Very lots of Cyrillic alphabets and lots of Arabic alphabets and lots of people from India, lots of people from Brazil.

Speaker 1 So I'm not, I don't feel like their engagement is real. I don't know if you guys saw, but like Wish, you remember the company Wish?

Speaker 1 They put all of their marketing budget into TikTok and they went from $39 a share down to 60 cents. Whoa.
I just really do not believe.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying it won't be in the future, but I think right now TikTok TikTok is not like a mature advertising environment.

Speaker 1 The problem with YouTube is they're just so strict that like I said before, we're getting 40% return on our investment with YouTube and 26 to 1 on Facebook Ad Manager.

Speaker 1 So right now, as much as people think TikTok's taking over, I still think Instagram is the most relevant social media platform. And I haven't tried any advertising on...

Speaker 1 We've done Google Ads and then we've done...

Speaker 1 What's the other one? Snapchat.

Speaker 1 We have not tried Snapchat. That may be one that we go after.
Yeah, I heard Snapchat is like kind of the wave right now. We're trying to, you know, come back and stay relevant.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 The thing for me is because

Speaker 1 it's a high-ticket program, it generally has to be North American or European middle class to upper middle class men that buy from us.

Speaker 1 So some of these platforms, like Snapchat isn't as relevant a platform. We might need to try Twitter, actually.
That might actually be a better place for us to go.

Speaker 1 But that's the third, one of the things we did. And then the other thing that worked for the business was

Speaker 1 I really tried to push affiliates because I'm friends with Justin Waller and I'm friends with Cooper Sterling

Speaker 1 or Sterling Cooper and I have conversations with Andrew. I like Sterling.
Yeah, he's great.

Speaker 1 I have conversations with Andrew Tate, not specifically about this, but Andrew and I will message each other over Telegram before and after he went to jail.

Speaker 1 And he was the one who set me up with those guys. And that's how I ended up meeting Rolo and them.
But I talked to them about their affiliate program for Hustle University and War Room.

Speaker 1 And we try to do as close to that as we can.

Speaker 1 So there's a lot of guys who can't afford the program, but they want to be involved.

Speaker 1 So we give them a bunch of free stuff and then we put them in our affiliate group and then they help sell the program.

Speaker 1 So if you guys, most of the time when you guys see my face on TikTok, it's one of my affiliates

Speaker 1 or on YouTube or on Instagram. So right now there's probably,

Speaker 1 it's not like it was for Andrew. Andrew's hundreds, thousands of affiliate things.
I probably have 20 or 30 different affiliate pages on each one of those platforms.

Speaker 1 And they're making a boatload of money. And then the other ones are like Rolo or Myron or those guys right there who come on the show with me.

Speaker 1 I give them all an affiliate code, Spencer Cornelia, guys like that, and they make money from doing that. I'm like, that's something I want to get maybe Dan Fleischman involved with too.

Speaker 1 So I'm trying to do paid, organic, and affiliate. I'm trying to make all three of those things work, and that's how we push it up to, you know, close to $600,000 a month.
Insane.

Speaker 1 So what do you do? Like, so the audience knows, because we kind of just jumped into this. Yeah.
Let everyone know what it is.

Speaker 1 So I'm a retired U.S. military officer.
I flew Special Ops for five years, and then I did counterintelligence.

Speaker 1 Specifically, it's called signature management for the last two years I was in the military. And then I got out and I moved to Vegas.
And when I was here, I just, I knew I wanted to be,

Speaker 1 I was working to be an actor. I was working for an actually a talent agency for a while.
And I was splitting time between LA and Vegas. And then I was here, and I wanted to work in nightlife.

Speaker 1 I wanted my nightlife experience to be effortless.

Speaker 1 I didn't want it to be something where I was going in there sitting in the, you know how guys, when you're young, you go in there and you're sitting on the dance floor and just trying to pick up girls.

Speaker 1 I hate that.

Speaker 1 I want it to be the fun incredible experience I want to be on stage with Tiesto or Skrillix or whoever anytime I wanted and so I spent the next few years kind of studying what some of these nightlife directors do the hosts the promoters all that kind of stuff and the reason why I studied it is because those guys were so effortlessly able to get large groups of girls really pretty girls to like show up and participate with anything they wanted and I was like that's an incredible skill set.

Speaker 1 If you guys ever read the book very important people by Ashley Mears she's a professor of sociology at Boston University. She talks about the men in the Hamptons.

Speaker 1 You know, those Hamptons parties they have in the summer?

Speaker 1 Those Hamptons parties are hosted by 100 millionaires and billionaires. And there's no, it's not like a formal guest list.
There's a way to get in every party.

Speaker 1 Do you know how you get into every party in the Hamptons? You know? You got to know someone, right? No? Close.

Speaker 1 You hook up with a guy? Got to have girls with you.

Speaker 1 You got to have girls with you.

Speaker 1 These guys would end up building businesses basically from going from one party to another with like all these girls with them same thing in the south of france same thing you know and so it was this skill set i wanted to learn is like how do i teach guys how do i personally make it so that i can go anywhere with like 20 30 girls and it's not i try to keep it away from the skeezy drug there's no i don't do any drugs i don't try any drugs anything like that or like paying them to hang out with me none of that and i was like this is a skill set that i got really good at over 10 years how can i teach that that's one of the that's one of the eight that there are 11 pillars in there It's like one or two of the 11 pillars have to do with this subject right here.

Speaker 1 It's like, how do we go to a place, but I have 20, 30, 40? Like when I go to Dan Belzerian's parties, I try to put somewhere between 90 and 150 girls on the list for every one of his parties.

Speaker 1 For maximum it's usually around 100. For the bikini competitions, I recruited 200 for the last time for Wet Republic.
And I'm not a club. That's the thing.
I'm not a club promoter.

Speaker 1 But there are things that club promoters do that I wanted to mimic.

Speaker 1 Just like if you see a really good computer programmer or a really good sales guy or really, there's things that they do you want to mimic.

Speaker 1 And so I so what happened was from 2011 to 2019, my job, I was actually a trader. I worked for a small firm called Continental Financial Capital as a quantitative analyst.

Speaker 1 And so I was trading stock options. And then when COVID hit, I realized, man, I need multiple sources of revenue.

Speaker 1 And I've been teaching this since 2008, this whole dynamic of, I used to live in Atlanta and the best club promoters I'd ever seen, these guys were able to get massive amounts of girls to like show up to parties or whatever.

Speaker 1 I was like, I need to to learn from what they were doing. Shout out to Armada magazine and Max Smith, who's out there.
He owns Tongue and Groove now, I think.

Speaker 1 So I just learned what they did, and then I tried to put it, I tried to delineate it.

Speaker 1 If you guys met promoters here, if you guys met guys like Jason Strauss, I don't know if you guys know Jason Strauss used to be a club promoter. He used to pass out flyers when he lived in Boston.

Speaker 1 He went to Boston University. Now he's the most powerful man in nightlife.
There's a set of steps that he went through to get to where he's at, but no one really teaches it.

Speaker 1 There's no formal course for like like being a world-class VIP host. There's no formal class for it.

Speaker 1 And I don't want to teach people to be VIP hosts, but I do want to teach people what are the things that these guys do that are so incredible to get a...

Speaker 1 If you have the ability to get a human being to spend $25,000 on a table, there's a skill set there. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 If you have the ability to get 100 girls, pretty girls to show up to something, there's a skill set there. How do we take that skill set and then we bring it into self-help?

Speaker 1 How do we take that skill set and bring it into male improvement? How do we take that skill set and then we bring it into this whole community to like build a business, whatever?

Speaker 1 And that's that's essentially what my program was. So a couple things.
I started hosting all the bikini competitions in Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 So the one at Dre's, Dre Swimsuit Showcase, the Rehab Bikini Invitational, and then the, it's not called the Spy on Vegas Hot 100. It's called, it was, it was by Playboy.

Speaker 1 We don't know what the name is this year, but we're going to do another one this year. And that was the biggest one in the world, biggest bikini competition in the world.

Speaker 1 And then I hosted Paradise Challenge in Jamaica. which is the black tape project also.
And then I hosted Swimsuit USA's World Championship in Mexico. So those are five big bikini series.

Speaker 1 And from there, I got all those girls to start coming to all the charity events I throw. You just had Dave Fleischman on here.
Dan does Model Citizen Fund.

Speaker 1 When he does Model Citizen Fund in September, which is for his birthday, I try to bring at least 100 girls to that.

Speaker 1 I'm not a club promoter wearing sunglasses, passing out blood. What is that? That's not what I'm doing.
What I'm doing is, guys, there's a charity event. We're putting backpacks together

Speaker 1 to give to orphanages and domestic abuse shelters and homeless people. That's That's what Dan Fleischman's charity is.
And I'll message the biggest influencers I know.

Speaker 1 And they're like, they're not like, hey, come to my table and f my client. That is not what I'm saying.
Come to this charity event with me, walk this red carpet and get photographs on this red carpet.

Speaker 1 And the girls are like, thank you. Yeah, that's awesome.
And so Dan, by the way, Dan Fleischman is a great example.

Speaker 1 He's a, what young Jeezy said, I'm your favorite rapper's, favorite rapper. Yeah.
Dan Fleischman is your favorite influencer's favorite influencer

Speaker 1 because he's so underground, but like we all know each other through Dan Fleischman.

Speaker 1 I tried to make a course kind of to teach what Dan Fleischman does.

Speaker 1 Because I've never seen Dan really teach what he does, but I try, he's one of the guys that I try to mimic after.

Speaker 1 And so there's just these incredible networkers out there, and they're always surrounded by wealthy people in really cool places, access to anything they want.

Speaker 1 Anytime they have a mentor, they get to meet their mentor. Like, I got to interview David Buss.
I get to interview Rolo Tomasi. Like, that was incredible.

Speaker 1 And then they're, and then, and then effortlessly surrounded by hundreds and hundreds of women.

Speaker 1 And then the woman they choose to be their wife or their life partner is one of these hundreds and hundreds of stunning women that they're around all the time.

Speaker 1 So, and I mean, obviously, you know, Dan, I'm going to say this, he married up. He did incredible, right? But why is that? Because Dan is always around these beautiful influencers all the time, right?

Speaker 1 And then he found the one. He's like, you, this is the one I want.

Speaker 1 So networking as an evolutionary adaptation, networking to like grow your business, networking to find mentors, networking to meet the woman of your dreams.

Speaker 1 That's what I teach in my course, MOA Mentoring. But that was from, I used to manage a strip club like back in 2002.
So, I mean, we're talking 21 years of me just like studying this stuff.

Speaker 1 And women, understanding women, too. You have an understanding of women.
You know how to talk to them. There's a couple other things.

Speaker 1 So, because I was a military officer, there's a component of leadership that's missed in the self-help community and very much in the dating community.

Speaker 1 This component of like inability to look people in the eye, shake hands, and to have normal conversations with people.

Speaker 1 This has been lost in part because the iPhone put the Facebook app on it in 2008, and you're going to see the number of men that have

Speaker 1 lists since 2008 to 2018 has tripled. It's tripled.
It is over 33% of men have zero partners in the last year because of that.

Speaker 1 28% of men under the age of 30 are not virgins, but they haven't had since they were 18. Maybe they had before 18.
But the numbers are skyrocketing because these men don't know how to communicate.

Speaker 1 And so that's

Speaker 1 another reason why my program blows up so much because a lot lot of dangerous

Speaker 1 danger is because you, because you end up with a bunch of surplus men.

Speaker 1 Surplus men.

Speaker 1 So if you like certain Middle Eastern countries where you have men who have multiple wives and then men down at the bottom, quartile, with no mobility whatsoever, no ability to have s with anyone, they strap bombs to their chest.

Speaker 1 That's why we tend to find in polygynous societies or polyamorous society, we tend to find more violence.

Speaker 1 In societies where monogamy is encouraged, like with Catholicism and Islam and Judaism, you find that there's less violence.

Speaker 1 And so it's one of these weird things where you have a bunch of guys at the tops that are like, be players, get this yacht, make this money, f all these girls.

Speaker 1 And then there's a bunch of dudes at the bottom who suffer.

Speaker 1 But at the same time, from a societal standpoint, the family unit is economically and socially the most viable way in order to produce a viable

Speaker 1 or a stable populace. Right? Does that make sense? You have a tax base, you have a non-violent populace, and you have a population increase,

Speaker 1 and you have a bunch of men who aren't frustrated at the bottom. Marriage, like monogamy, allows for men at the bottom to have at least one wife.

Speaker 1 Polygyny or polyamory causes the men at the top to have,

Speaker 1 it's the George Clooney,

Speaker 1 Leonardo DiCaprio running through thousands of groupies effect. And then those girls then never settle for the guy who stocks shelves at Walmart.

Speaker 1 So the guy who stocks shelves at Walmart doesn't have less options with women. He has zero options with women.

Speaker 1 And the guy up at the top literally could seven different girls every day if he wanted to. And so it's become Scott Galloway is a professor and he talks about this.

Speaker 1 If dating were a country, it would be the most unequal distribution of wealth than any country on the planet. Wow.
Yeah, they were saying because of that, less babies are being born. Yes.

Speaker 1 So right now,

Speaker 1 so here's the thing. In certain countries like Indonesia, Brazil, Mexico, we're not seeing this massive decline in birth rate.
But amongst North American people,

Speaker 1 especially middle-class North American people, yeah, this is what Elon Musk was talking about. It's like they're being outpopulated by people from other countries.

Speaker 1 I personally don't have a problem with that, but just because there's going to be more, no one's saying that there's 8 billion people on the planet and in 100 years, there's going to be 7 billion.

Speaker 1 No one's saying that. What they're saying is certain demographics, like in Indonesia, they are populating like crazy.
And in China, for a while, they were 1.3 billion people.

Speaker 1 It's just certain populaces are being outbred by other ones. And some people find that as a concern.

Speaker 1 And some people who are jingoists and some people who are ethnocentrists, they don't like the fact that my color people are being outbred by your color people, and therefore that's why they make some of these complaints.

Speaker 1 But there is no pop, there's a demographic collapse, but there is no population collapse. I think that's kind of a misused term on Twitter, I see, sometimes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Now, were you always able to pull girls? Because obviously you were in the military for years. I assume you're not getting laid in the military.
No, no, that happens a lot in the military.

Speaker 1 No, no, it wasn't. When I lived in Atlanta, it wasn't a problem.
Yeah, when I lived in Atlanta, it was great. It wasn't that big of an issue.

Speaker 1 The thing for me is I would tell you in my early 20s, no, I will tell you working at a strip club from the age of 22 to 26,

Speaker 1 there are these really uncomfortable truths about the dynamics between men and women that you sometimes don't learn until a girl breaks up with you or cheats on you.

Speaker 1 And I didn't have to learn it that way. I just watched the most.

Speaker 1 Some of the most incredible women and some of the most destructive, toxic women I've ever seen in my entire life destroy their lives and their families' lives because of drugs or some kind of like mental disorder.

Speaker 1 I like, I got to see, it's almost like learning about war from going to West Point versus learning about war from going to Da Nang during Vietnam. You understand what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Like, one of them, like, it was such a real-life experience watching that, that a lot of the disillusionment that happens for men, I think they call the term red pill rage. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Um, that that happened to me in my early 20s before Rolo had ever even written the rational mail. I had already gone through that.

Speaker 1 Um, so for me, that lack of disillusionment and then then later on, kind of seeing the difference between what guys online were saying that they did, just so you know, like the majority of guys in pickup are lying, they're not good with women.

Speaker 1 Some of the worst guys I've ever seen with women in my life are huge pickup coaches. Um, they're really bad, so they'll show you if they're good, you'll see it.

Speaker 1 One of the reasons why pickup artists generally don't do a lot of stuff on social media is because they'd have to expose their lives and they're not very good with women.

Speaker 1 So, what'll happen is you'll see what I noticed was the pickup artists were saying this, and then I would look at the the club promoter who like had a girlfriend and they were having

Speaker 1 with six other girls while he was showing up to the club with 60 girls and I was like that guy I'm gonna listen to that guy I'm not gonna listen to pickup artist I'm gonna listen to that guy what that guy says and I saw that the two things were different pickup artists were like you can never be friends with women club promoters were like all my female all my friends females right these make sense the pickup artists like you can never buy a girl a drink club promoters like no i get comp tables all girls get drinks it's a party every night all the time does that make sense yeah and so like i started to see that this is where the difference was and so from paying attention to that and then also understanding like the dynamics between men and women again i not to be obviously not every woman is like a woman in a strip club but like seeing the worst of it up front it made it very easy for me to be like my boundaries were very clear uh very early on uh so but no definitely not i mean i

Speaker 1 I'd say in my early 20s and the first one I got in the military, I did not have a ton of success with women. I definitely say that happened when I moved to Vegas.
I think a lot of men

Speaker 1 overthink when it comes to the interaction with women. And it's really like they want the interaction.

Speaker 1 Your approach just can't be weird. Yeah, so it's funny.

Speaker 1 You guys see Elon Musk, he put out the study that shows if you have an IQ over 130, you have a higher chance of being a virgin than if you have an IQ under 80. Really?

Speaker 1 Because guys with an IQ under 80, they just go, you hot girl, go

Speaker 1 gym time,

Speaker 1 lift weights, get big. Hi, I'm broad.
That's what guy under 80 does. Guy under 80 doesn't look in the mirror and be like, man, I have an existential crisis.

Speaker 1 I just wonder what the world thinks about me. And if I post this on my social media, will my mom care? The guy with an IQ under 80 does not have these issues.

Speaker 1 The guy with an IQ under 80 is just like, my friends took some steroids, so I'm going to take f ⁇ ing steroids. I'm going to get big, and I'm just going to go up to girls and be like, sup, suck.

Speaker 1 Nope, suck. People with IQs under 80 tend to have like super f ⁇ ing high confidence, even though they don't need to have high confidence.

Speaker 1 People with IQs over 130, they're literally like so neurotic. Like they're so hard.

Speaker 1 Some of the highest IQ clients that I have, it's impossible to get them to take action because they don't listen to what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 They legitimately think that they can intellectualize their way through any problem. And it ends up being a disaster.

Speaker 1 So yeah, I mean, that was one of the things is that like I understood that just because I studied astronomy in college, just because I can can explain quantum mechanics to someone doesn't mean I should, right?

Speaker 1 Just because like there's often times like the conversation we were just having about the 26 to 1 ROI, like I would love to meet a girl who's stunning.

Speaker 1 Now, I have my girlfriend, and she does definitely care, but I would love to have before met a girl who was like super interested in that. I never meet women that are interested in that.

Speaker 1 I meet women who are interested in the fact that I make money, but they're not interested in the fact that it's like, here's how our affiliate system works. And later on,

Speaker 1 dude, I'm going next week with Dan Fleischman, Wes Watson, Bradley, Hardcore Closer, and a bunch of other people to Dallas. They're going to do a speech in Dallas.

Speaker 1 And I'm like telling my girlfriend, I'm like, dude, Wes Watson's going to be there. That's the fing dude that's awesome as Wes Watson and Bradley are going to be there.

Speaker 1 and she just doesn't care like in her mind she doesn't understand but like because for because for a for men who know you know being around those men will make you millions but for women they just see the millions yeah they don't understand it's like the 30 books that i read and all these situations that went i mean obviously some women do but most women that i talk to it's like they just see the bag the watch the car at the end at the finish line but they don't understand it's like you just one of these weird things where, like, I had a discussion with my girlfriend the other day.

Speaker 1 I was like, I wanted her to meet, I was, I had a huge guest on. I wouldn't even say it was, huge guest.
And I wanted her to come meet the guests.

Speaker 1 And I was like, trying to, she was like, I don't understand why you want me to meet the guests. I just want to go like lay out by the pool.
And I was like, because you're part of my company.

Speaker 1 And like, I want this person to see that I have some relevancy in this arena. And she didn't grasp it at first.
And then I was trying to explain to her, like, no, we make money together.

Speaker 1 So I need her, this person to see all of the parts of my life.

Speaker 1 And a lot of times women just don't grasp that concept. It's like, they just see, no, there's just money.

Speaker 1 They just see that there is money and that money is being made, but like they don't understand that like,

Speaker 1 it's an, I'm getting way off topic here. If you teach male self-improvement, do you guys know most women don't think that's real?

Speaker 1 Especially, yes. That's why they don't think male improvement.
It's really funny. Yeah, yeah.
They don't think male improvement. Yes.

Speaker 1 So they think if you were to, if you were to really like get in and listen to a group of like really hot girls talk, and they were like how how does a guy get your attention or hook up with you it's like just be tall and hot with a huge

Speaker 1 and just uh have tons of money and then you'll get me that's what they think and so if they if they did this experiment where they give women these uh tinder profiles of average looking men and they're like okay pick up women doing this and they're disastrous the women have no idea what they're doing because they don't have to work to get people to right swipe absolutely and so so uh this funny thing happens where i would talk to these girls and i would explain to them i was like yeah like i have one client he's five foot one and i was explaining to my girlfriend, like, that dude gets laid all the time.

Speaker 1 One of my coaches, he's like constantly hooking up with hot chicks. And she's like, no, that's not possible.
In her mind, male self-improvement isn't real. Only hot guys get hot girls.

Speaker 1 In women, because that's the, because they're hot girls. That's the way they see the world.
Only rich guys get hot girls.

Speaker 1 Male self-improvement is literally, I'm confident enough and charismatic enough to overcome that looks money status barrier in order for me to actually get the job of my dreams or to get hot girls also women don't think that's real some women i mean obviously there's exceptions most women legitimately think it's only like when they go sleep with a guy it's because fate and destiny and karma and he was a sagittarius they don't understand he rented the car set up the reservation the chef knew his name it was two minutes away from his apartment his apartment smelled like lavender it was cleaned earlier that day there were candles the bed was like from her standpoint

Speaker 1 it just happened and they just

Speaker 1 was supposed to happen. From his standpoint, he did all this work.
It's really funny.

Speaker 1 If you ever have a girlfriend who's bisexual and you guys start trying to have threesomes, you'll notice from her standpoint, she thinks the threesomes just happen.

Speaker 1 But like after a while, she comes to the realization.

Speaker 1 She's like, oh, we really have to like set up a situation, like almost like a slot, like a set of circumstances that leads to another girl coming back to our place.

Speaker 1 And it's really funny to watch the realization because from their standpoint, every time they've had it was organic. But from, we're, we're all men here.
We all know it's not organic.

Speaker 1 We have to work in order to create a reality to where women would even consider having sex with us. But from their standpoint, it doesn't work like that.

Speaker 1 So because from their standpoint, it just happens, male self-improvement isn't real. The idea of teaching a man to be better with women, women are like, oh, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 You make all that money fooling those guys like that. Ha ha ha.

Speaker 1 I hear women say this to me all the time. They legitimately don't think this is a real thing.
Wow. They think men getting rich is real.
They do think that is real, but they don't grasp.

Speaker 1 It's like, how did you get rich? They just think that like there was some secret pile of money we stole. They don't understand how to win friends and influence people.

Speaker 1 The one thing by Gary Keller, the E-Myth Revisited. They don't understand Hustle Harder.
They don't understand these, like, we read all these books. We read, you know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Seven habits of highly effective people. They don't grasp that concept.
They just legitimately think, poof, the money just like

Speaker 1 showed up. And then that's how it worked.
And so when I explained to these girls, I'm like, we can actually work on comedy with guys that actually make women and men trust them more.

Speaker 1 We can work on things like the connector, suggestor, and content creator, which is value arbitrage, which causes their network to increase. But like from the outside looking in, like

Speaker 1 they just look at it like, no, I just own the hot guy. I just Brocking phone cannon party at South Padre Island because he was hot and I felt like doing it.

Speaker 1 They don't see the work that goes into all these things. And so that's why it's really interesting to me.
Like if you guys ever do this, have a super hot girl on here and then talk to her.

Speaker 1 Like, what can a guy do to improve to get your and she's going to say things like oh just improve your confidence and be yourself we all know that's utter nonsense right be yourself it's so stupid guys this

Speaker 1 is so stupid if you sit at home and you sit on your mom's basement getting fat playing minecraft that and you you think that's to be yourself you think that being yourself is going to get you women you are deluding yourself you are going if be yourself is never go to the gym stop being yourself if being yourself is having a victim mentality, stop being yourself.

Speaker 1 Be the most improved version, most attractive version of yourself that you can possibly be at any time. This idea of be yourself is nonsense.

Speaker 1 The idea, also, the other one that's complete and utter total nonsense. You guys know who Wayne Huizinga is? No.
No. You still own the Dolphins.

Speaker 1 He owned a company, the biggest golf tournament in the U.S., the one that they have in Scottsdale. You guys remember what it's called? Is that waste? That's not waste, man.
Yes, it is. Waste.

Speaker 1 You understand how we've gotten so used to to saying the name of that company and how insane that is? We're calling a golf tournament after waste

Speaker 1 management. Chase your dreams, chase your passions.
He became a billionaire cleaning up diapers and

Speaker 1 cleaning out port-a-potties. No, don't chase your passion.
Don't chase your dream. Solve a

Speaker 1 problem. Gotcha.
That's the difference. That's the difference where you have somebody who's like,

Speaker 1 I want to have a restaurant where I sell pink tacos, or I want to have a restaurant where I do girls' nails.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, no, I want a scalable business that I can turn into eight or nine-figure business.

Speaker 1 And I want to pay money to get my time back so that I can delineate or delegate these tasks so I can work on more important things so I can grow my business even faster.

Speaker 1 I don't believe chase your dreams. I believe figure out someone's problem, solve the problem, become a billionaire.
Hey, wait, did you, you had a question for me? Yeah, so I was going to say

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 1 getting rich is a form of self-improvement. Of course, yeah.

Speaker 1 So technically,

Speaker 1 even if they don't get it, it's like that part they get.

Speaker 1 The hardcore, I was broke and I have several million, but what you hear women say, she's only with him because he has money. Right?

Speaker 1 That's from her standpoint, self-improvement still isn't a real thing.

Speaker 1 She's only the hot girl, the hot Russian model is only the short fat guy because he has money. And often that is correct.
He didn't improve himself. He just made money.
But

Speaker 1 the concept of like being a better human, being a more well-rounded man, and having that be the reason why a woman's attracted to you.

Speaker 1 Like again, the five-foot-one guy who hooks up with all the girls, whenever a girl see him, their first thought is, he must be rich. And he's not.
He's doing it because of the things I taught him.

Speaker 1 That's why he's doing it because male self-improvement is real, but for people outside of that whole system, they don't get it. And also, male self-improvement is incomplete the way it's taught.

Speaker 1 There's no, like I said, there's no leadership component.

Speaker 1 I require my clients to read everything by Jocko Willick and everything by David Goggins because I want them to understand how no one's coming to save you.

Speaker 1 Even if something's not your fault, it's still your fault. No one's coming to save you, and you have to take responsibility for any kind of improvement or any kind of problem that there is.

Speaker 1 One of the guys that I've seen that are the best with women are leaders. What I mean by that is, guys, let's go.
We're going to the party. Everybody, get in line.
Get your IDs out, right?

Speaker 1 Ladies, line up here. The bikini competition is about to start.
You understand what I'm saying? Hey, guys, ready? We're going to the movies. We got 15 minutes.
Guys, ready? One, two, three, let's go.

Speaker 1 They can speak to large groups of women without coming off as assholes. It's a technique.
I specifically teach this technique in MOA mentoring.

Speaker 1 How do you speak to large groups of women without coming off like, get over here, you dumb? Like, none of the. It's like, guys, listen, ladies, everybody, it's kind of like a kindergarten teacher.

Speaker 1 All right, kids, everybody line up. Everybody lined up.
Ready? We're about to go make a ton of money. You guys excited? Awesome.
One, two, three, go.

Speaker 1 And that's, that's what's so attractive. Yes, he's so sexy.
Leadership. It is a function of leadership.
Yes, that's exactly. That's exactly what works.
Now,

Speaker 1 are there women who are great leaders? Absolutely. I had two squadron commanders that were female.
Are there women who definitely understand self-improvement? 100% there are.

Speaker 1 Are there women who make a ton of money and they understand mentorship? They are, correct. But when I go to self-help programs, it's 99% men.
Yeah. That's what I've noticed.

Speaker 1 And where are most men lagging?

Speaker 1 I think most men are lacking.

Speaker 1 So it depends on which realm you're coming from. From the self-help.
I'm talking about just like an overall spectrum. Like if there's 10 men,

Speaker 1 what are eight of them all have in common?

Speaker 1 As far as the male self-improvement, it it is leadership qualities and a lack of passive-aggressive communication. Like a lack of passive aggressive communication? Yes.

Speaker 1 So they have too much passive aggressive communication.

Speaker 1 YouTube commenters. Great example of they don't even post their avatar on YouTube or on Twitter or whatever, and then they talk about you and your family.

Speaker 1 That's a cowardice. It's very much the Takashi six nineification where they've all just become snitches and just like very weak-minded individuals.

Speaker 1 The demasculinization of men. I don't mind.
Listen, if you want to wear a pink dress, wear a pink dress. My point is,

Speaker 1 this idea that if you act masculine, that you're somehow bad. That is another issue that's happened.
A lot of men have fallen into that trap.

Speaker 1 I'd say the main one is the ability to look someone in the eye and then to have, to take responsibility for your actions and to be a leader. That would be the number one thing.

Speaker 1 From the dating standpoint, the main three things that they got wrong. Number one, I think a lot of guys in the dating scene adopted social media way too late.
Way too late.

Speaker 1 The number one dating app on on the planet is Instagram. Number two, logistics.
A lot of guys are like, I live,

Speaker 1 there's so many dudes who are in their early 20s who got like go buy some house way out in the suburbs, like 47 minutes away from the bars and nightclubs because

Speaker 1 of all this extra land they got. Whereas the dude who has like the four bedroom flat over 6th Street in Austin or lives in meat packing or

Speaker 1 lives on McKinney Avenue in Dallas or lives in

Speaker 1 Weho in Los Angeles or lives in just some cool place like that in Brickle in Miami. That dude is just constantly meeting women.
He's getting more experience with women.

Speaker 1 Maybe he sex with them, maybe he's not, but he's constantly meeting women. He's getting more experience with women.
He's getting better with women.

Speaker 1 The guy who just, he's like, yeah, I can buy a cheaper house way out here in the woods or whatever. I've said this to guys before.
The house with the picket fence, that's her dream.

Speaker 1 That's not your dream. Her dream is to have a picket fence around the house to keep the bitches out.
That's why there's a house. Her dream is to have a gigantic...

Speaker 1 Tell me if you guys have heard this, if you guys are watching this, the girl who has the overbred dog with the hip dysplasia and the eczema, and she can, you have to come home and take the dog out every

Speaker 1 hour because the dog has medical problems. What is that for? That's a surrogate for the children you're going to have, right?

Speaker 1 The dog is there to keep the man at home. The fence is there to keep the women out.
You guys understand?

Speaker 1 And then the house that she wants you to buy, that you want you to take a 30-year mortgage out on is 40 minutes away from the strip. That's what you'll notice.
The single guy, what is he doing?

Speaker 1 He's living on the strip, right? He has, he maybe he buys, possibly he rents. He has very few, he needs very few material possessions.
He's got a couple of pairs of shoes,

Speaker 1 laptop, and he makes his money online as a copywriter or whatever. And then when he dates, he does it on his terms.
Does that make sense? That's what the difference. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 The house in the picket fence, that's her dream. That's not your dream.
And so many guys get that whole thing as confused.

Speaker 1 So the main three things, let me, I'm sorry, my original point was what they were doing wrong. The dating community.

Speaker 1 You kind of noted right there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Number one is that they were super late on social media. They don't understand that the online presence that they have is more important than almost anything else that they're going to do.

Speaker 1 You in person doing cold approach is never going to match up with you having an incredible social media account. Number two is the logistics.

Speaker 1 And number three, this incredible anathema, just stupid, stupid idea that they've had for years. This idea that you can't be friends with women.

Speaker 1 Bro, I am friends with women and they introduce me to women.

Speaker 1 Dude, my fing girlfriend was introduced to me, but I have two stunning friends in Mexico who hit me up and be like, hey, that girl you thought was hot, she's at this bar right now.

Speaker 1 Come here right now. And they're just like, Michael this, Michael that, Michael's awesome.
And I walk up to her and start talking to her because of that. Women introduce you to more women.

Speaker 1 Women get you invited into cool events. And women get you used to being around beautiful women so that when you meet more beautiful women, you don't act f ⁇ ing weird.
Women calibrate you.

Speaker 1 It's just so bad. Like the two biggest lies pickup ever taught, number one, is you can't be friends with women.
And number two, this idea that women sleep with you because of your intent.

Speaker 1 No, they don't. Women don't sleep with you because of your intent.
They knew you wanted to f them when they got up in the morning.

Speaker 1 They already know you want to them. Women don't sleep with you because of your intent.
They sleep with you because of your status. I don't understand why people still believe this nonsense.

Speaker 1 And so because of that, you're asking to think from the self-help perspective, the leadership qualities that are necessary to run a business or the things that are being lost in this category.

Speaker 1 It's just, I want to program and make money and then hire a VA and then just like never, like, never look anyone in the eye or shake hands or whatever on this end.

Speaker 1 And then on this end, the things I said before is they mess up is logistics, social media, and having the ability to have female friends on the dating side of it. But yeah, those are the big holes.

Speaker 1 And those holes are the ones I specifically address with my coaching program. Are you a fan of dating apps like Tinder, Bumble, Hand? They're great.
I'm a fan of Abundance. Do all of it.
That's fine.

Speaker 1 I will say, though, that using Tinder and then not using Instagram is a mistake.

Speaker 1 I think that's a problem i think never going up and colding approaching never going up and cold approaching women is a mistake if you only do social media but the thing that you're going to find is like

Speaker 1 if you actually have like a decent presence on social media on youtube or instagram or whatever when you go meet a girl they already know they already know or like i i'll tell you right now like the number since i started this podcast which has nothing to do like

Speaker 1 It's really interesting. On the podcast, sometimes I'll talk about aliens or like the war in Russia.
Yeah, and I'll have women commenting, like sending me heart eyes, or like I miss you.

Speaker 1 It is because status is status is status. They don't care what you're talking about.
They're like hearing you talk. Exactly.

Speaker 1 Or if you come off as like, like, there's this thing now called the microfamous. In 1985, you were either like Tom Cruise level famous or no one knew who you were.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because there's no social media. There's this middle class of fame that sort of exists now that you're famous enough to turn to like get the attention of every woman.

Speaker 1 Mike Majeric, you know the guy, the co-host with Lili. Yeah, Mike Malak.
Malak, how did you say it? Malak. Malak, sorry, I said his name wrong.
Mike Malak is a great example where he's famous enough.

Speaker 1 He's not quite as famous as Logan and Jake, but he's famous enough to where, like, I've seen the girls he's date, and he dates some really pretty girls, right?

Speaker 1 So he's like kind of in this middle class. There's this middle class of fame that sort of exists now.
Does that make sense? Enough to get a blue check mark, but not quite at the White House.

Speaker 1 Like that. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah.

Speaker 1 One of my favorite, you guys know who DJ Irene is in Miami? Yeah. DJ Ire is great.
He's friends with Dan Fleischman. DJ Irene is the perfect level of fame.

Speaker 1 DJ Irene has LeBron James and probably Barack Obama's number in his phone, but he can still walk around without security. There's this middle class of fame.

Speaker 1 There's this middle class of fame that sort of exists now, where it's enough to use your fame to start a business and date the girl of your dreams, but you're not, you don't have to be, you don't have to be George Clooney level of famous.

Speaker 1 And social media sort of facilitates this middle class of fame that like, it could be just as like as simple as you're just the guy who hosts the cool Sunday party on the yacht every week.

Speaker 1 Like that little middle class of status and fame that sort of exists now. And men should be able to take advantage of it.

Speaker 1 The problem is the number of men that take advantage of it is less than 20% of men. And they're having 80% of the

Speaker 1 and then this bottom third of men is having no at all. That's what's happening.
So it's just no competition in the space, that's what he's saying.

Speaker 1 Because technically, the men are actually taking advantage of the space. They're getting most of the women.
And meanwhile, they think it's some kind of cheat code. And really, it's just

Speaker 1 doing what you're supposed to do as a guy.

Speaker 1 How important do you feel is it to four men that's working on themselves to actually,

Speaker 1 you know, come up to women that they don't know, let's say in Walmart and just have casual conversations.

Speaker 1 How important is that? I don't think you have to go up to women in Walmart. What I do think you have to do, and by the way, this is also for married entrepreneurs.

Speaker 1 I do think you need to be comfortable talking to women by being around a lot of women. There's two things we're talking about.
One is I meet a girl during cold approach for sexual intercourse.

Speaker 1 And another one is I meet a huge social media influencer who helps me build my business, who comes and supports my business. Dan Fleischman a great example.
He's going to have Model Citizen Fun.

Speaker 1 When he's there, there's going to be

Speaker 1 Emily Sears, Lindsey Palace, and Abigail Ratchford. They're going to walk the carpet.
Each one of them, eight to ten million followers on Instagram. He's not trying to sleep with them.
He's married.

Speaker 1 But they come and they bring attention to what he's doing. So those are two different things we're talking about.

Speaker 1 The difference is, though, being friends with Emily Sears, Lindsey Palace, and Abigail Ratchford, when you go into a party with them, every girl is staring at you.

Speaker 1 Who the f is this guy who just walked in with my favorite model?

Speaker 1 Who is this guy who just walked into a club with Caitlin Runk and

Speaker 1 Kindle Myers?

Speaker 1 Who is this dude? And women are just like, so this guy has status. I need to know who the f this guy is.
I need to get his attention.

Speaker 1 And so to me, that's more important than like, say, the cold approach stuff is like to work on who do you network with and who are you connected to on social media.

Speaker 1 I think that's probably more important. But if you can't go up in cold approach, that's a huge problem.
That's a huge problem. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 What I'm saying is when it comes to return on investment, being able to go up and talk to strangers is helpful.

Speaker 1 Being better online is actually so much more scalable. And to me, I think people are not spending enough time working on that.
100%. It makes it a lot easier when you have an online presence.

Speaker 1 So strangers know you, so nobody's technically a stranger.

Speaker 1 It's your office, right? So if

Speaker 1 you go see a personal injury attorney and you walk into the office and then there's like a wall missing and there's no carpet on the floor and there's like two legs missing on the couch and he doesn't have a desk in front of him.

Speaker 1 That's what it looks like when your social media is bad.

Speaker 1 That's what it looks like because women are like, Who is this guy? Because we ask girls all the time, one of the first questions I ask, you met a super hot guy in a club.

Speaker 1 What's the first thing you do? It's always the first thing, guys. What is the first thing they always do, guys? What is it? They check the guy's

Speaker 1 Instagram 100% of the time. So, even if you are doing cold approach, again, you have to think of your social media, your online presence as your office, right? I used to pass out business cards.

Speaker 1 Now, they come and they check out my Instagram, and now I'm purveying a message to them my message is i mean i have a girlfriend but my message is here's my podcast my podcast is interesting these are the topics we talk about and also here's some lifestyle photos to show that when i talk about male female dynamics i actually know what i'm talking about here's some irrefutable visual evidence to prove that what i'm talking about is true and so that's what i try to do that's what i try to purvey with my social media your social media might be i do credit repair stephen loud on credit right he's what is he doing he's got a fully automatic shotgun while he's sticking a credit card into a mouth that's what he puts on on his IG.

Speaker 1 Was that show? I make, I have ridiculous amounts of wealth. I'm incredibly successful.
But one of the things that where I think a lot of guys go wrong is

Speaker 1 if I were to tell you

Speaker 1 that a guy

Speaker 1 had hundreds of

Speaker 1 and did a bunch of quales and went to jail for securities fraud and somebody was going to make a movie out of him, you'd be like, oh my God, I would never be involved with that guy.

Speaker 1 What a terrible life.

Speaker 1 I would myself beautiful Wall Street. Exactly.
I would love to be around it.

Speaker 1 Everyone would love to be around it. If I were to tell you, man, I'm on YouTube and I'm like, and I'm sitting there walking around and

Speaker 1 I show a video of a dead body hanging from a tree in Japan. Like, I violated terms of service.
Everyone wants me canceled. I would never be involved with that.
Logan and Jake. Logan and Jake.

Speaker 1 I've been around those guys. I love them.
Again,

Speaker 1 nobody pays for shit anymore. There is legitimately no bad publicity.
The Tinder Swindler has a coaching program now. There is legitimately no bad publicity anymore.

Speaker 1 It doesn't matter what you, like, think about all the people who support Donald Trump because he did some of the crazy, because he had star while his wife was pregnant.

Speaker 1 Like, literally, they look at it like a

Speaker 1 W that he did. How crazy is that? People admire courage.
Yeah. It takes a lot of courage.
So those people you named are all courageous. Yep, for sure.
Yeah, that's their admirer.

Speaker 1 While they are all courageous, what's more important is that they're all famous. Right.
Just the fact that they're famous for whatever reason is, again, I went to a party the other day. Okay.

Speaker 1 I went to Steve Demopolis. I went to his Halloween party, like last October, not the other day, where I met his Halloween party and I'm hanging out there.
I brought like four or five girls with me.

Speaker 1 And there's all these women surrounding this one table.

Speaker 1 They were all white women, by the way. They're all blonde.
And I was like, who is sitting at this table that all these women want to be around?

Speaker 1 Oranthal James Simpson. OJ.
I'm watching all these women around OJ the whole time. Like, I want to meet OJ.
Can you introduce me to OJ? OJ Simpson guys that was a pretty bad thing

Speaker 1 like this is my point there is no one pays for anything there is no consequences the reason why I bring this up is because you'll have guys I'll be like hey do you want this reason why it's called the men of action course will you take some action will you fix your social media your profile so that I can help you with your networking and they're like oh by the way what you do Instagram is just the the first platform you do the same stuff on tick tock on snapchat on twitter and then you do it on linkedin also because you want to connect with other people.

Speaker 1 Are you willing to do that? And they're like, no, I'm afraid of what my mommy thinks. I'm afraid of what my pastor thinks.
I'm afraid if I do this, I won't be able to get a job.

Speaker 1 And then I'm like, your president a porn star while his wife was pregnant. And you think that you're not going to get a job because you posted a meme? What is wrong with you, dude?

Speaker 1 What is wrong with you? No, you're just afraid to take action.

Speaker 1 What it is, you're just afraid to take action. That's all it is.
100%.

Speaker 1 Michael, it's been a blast, dude. I've learned a lot.
I'm in a relationship, but I feel like this is very educational for a lot of people. Yeah, well, the thing is, like,

Speaker 1 when you're in a relationship, guys, there's still attributes that you need for your girl to not take you for granted and to continue to find you attractive, but those attributes also make other women attracted to you.

Speaker 1 It's this weird dichotomy where women like live on this tightrope.

Speaker 1 I want this guy who has all these attributes that I find attractive while at the same time they know other women find those same attributes attractive. Does that make sense? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And we're not going to get those attributes to you because you got to go to bias course. Yeah, you got to go to employee mentoring.
That You got to go to buy us course. Any closing comments?

Speaker 1 Yeah, man. I have a free course that we just put out.
It's on my school server.

Speaker 1 If anybody's out there and wants the free course, along with a 30-book book list of all the things that we just talked about today, along with 30 perfectly curated Instagram profiles where you just copy and paste.

Speaker 1 When it comes to fixing your IG, you just copy and paste. If you guys are interested in that, just hit me up and I will give you access to our free school server.

Speaker 1 And then if you're interested, if you're just like, hey, fuck that, I just want to buy the the course. I need to get in this course.
There's already 500 guys in the course right now.

Speaker 1 You would just go to moamentoring.com if you wanted to join the course. Otherwise, just hit me up and I'll just put you guys in the free school server.

Speaker 1 Like I said, every single thing I go on, like I said, last week, I went on A Fresh and Fit three times, went on with Jeddah Diabila, went on with Adam Sosnik, had Pearl Davis on.

Speaker 1 If you guys want to see the schedule of all the things that we do in the program, also the invites to Babes and Toy Land, Teatro parties, Maxim parties, Playboy parties, Model Citizen Fund, and all those different different events.

Speaker 1 The bikini competition at Wet Republic, uh, swimsuit USA, and Paradise Challenge.

Speaker 1 All of the dates for that are also on our free school server because we try to get all the guys in our community to come to all these events together.

Speaker 1 Just hit me up on Instagram and I'll give you access to that. Nice, love it, Wayne.

Speaker 1 Make sure you become a self-improvement junkie.

Speaker 1 Self-improvement is real, guys. Tremen, woman, if you're watching it, for real.
Digital Social Hour, thanks for tuning in. See you guys next time.
Peace.