Exploring the Future of Aviation: Pilotless Planes with Papia Gambelin | Digital Social Hour #57

And from now through like 2026, we're getting all the new planes coming out of Boeing and Airbus.

Wow.

So, you know, it's going to be really exciting for us and maybe not so exciting for our competitors.

Will there be pilotless planes at some point?

These are electric planes at a shorter distance.

Imagine you're in the Bay Area and you're like, okay, I'm landing.

You come in.

You guys are coming in from Vegas, land at SFO, you jump on an EV toll and you like do a hop, skip, jump to Napa.

Welcome to the Digital Social Hour.

I'm your host, Sean Kelly.

I'm here with my co-host, Wayne Lewis.

What up, what up?

And our guest today, Papia Gambling.

Hey, how are you doing?

I'm good.

How are you?

Nice.

I'm fine.

Lock your shoes.

Thank you.

Oh, those are terrible.

Adidas Gucci Collab.

Got some style on her.

I didn't know they did that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Adidas is like really good about it.

You fly in on United?

I did.

Figures, right?

Right.

How did you get involved with United?

Let's start there.

Well, you know, I had a friend that was in the role that I have now.

I'm managing director of government affairs for the West Coast, and I do state and local engagement.

And she left to go take a great job, and they were looking for someone that had relationships in government locally.

And so threw my name in had 19 interviews and with United With United during 19 times yeah what did they ask you 19 times well it was during coming out of COVID right so this is 2021

so at a particular level they you know want to meet the leaders that are coming into the company so the executive team has the option to do that so I met with the CEO or CFO our chief operating officer our CTO and what was so good about that process for me was as I was going through the process, I was learning.

You were the janitor too.

I mean, I'm down.

I'm down.

I'm down.

You know, it was great.

It was so cool.

It was good to be able to understand their individual philosophy, their goals for their department.

So it was really insightful understanding the culture of a company that I'm about to go work for and lead in.

So it was a long process, but it was cool.

What exactly does government affairs do?

Because I see that job title of a lot of big companies, but I never knew

what it actually entailed.

So, you know, it's liaisoning with government officials and regulators.

So, I've come from industries that are regulated.

So, the garbage industry, it's regulated.

I worked for the utility in California, Northern California, heavily regulated.

And now I'm spending some time in the aviation industry, also heavily regulated.

So, a lot of policy and engagement from elected officials that will engage, you know, and put forth policies that are impacting our operations or our human resource capital, our employees or what have you.

So I'll liaison on behalf of the company and advance our policies or our agenda, or I'll mitigate an issue.

And so that's my primary role.

And then I'll work with internal departments as my subject matter experts, bring them into the fold, and then help educate our policymakers on issues so that they can make amazing and good decisions on behalf of industries.

Wow, I didn't know it got that intricate when it comes to planes and the companies.

That's crazy.

Yeah, because we just hop on.

I didn't know it was like you got to have relationships with certain governments.

Yeah, so it's heavily federally regulated.

But then all the airports, like Harry Reid airports, regulated locally by the county and the city.

Wow.

So you have to have those local relationships.

And so everything's sort of integrated.

And then a role like mine in a company will then help with communicating and

supporting or amplifying messaging or what have you.

So basically, if you want to add a new route to a new country, you're going to have to negotiate with their government on how that happens.

Yeah, so we've got people that will plan, they do network planning, so they decide, you know, where do we want to go?

And obviously United does such a good job of picking dots on a map and like creating routes that make sense based on customer feedback.

And so then what we'll do is we have an entire team that will then work with foreign government to then negotiate like that slot at their airport and then calculate the times in which you leave.

Because let's just use, for example, Ben Gorin and Tel Aviv.

You know, they close that airport at a particular time at night, but you got to then get that plane out.

It's a 15-hour route, and then you got to get in in places like San Francisco or Newark.

And so it's really important to be able to negotiate effectively on that end to then line it up on our end, you know, on the main state side to be able to then, you know, land the plane and function and meet all the criteria that the airport has, whether it's noise issues or, you know, they got to close off a runway.

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Because of some negotiated thing that happened, like we have in Orange County.

So there's all these rules and stuff.

So, right.

And then I'll mitigate locally, state, and local.

So that I only do state-level and local stuff.

Wow.

Is it true when the president flies in, they shut down everything?

It's coordinated.

So, for example, in the Bay Area, they'll fly into Moffett.

So you're not impacting commercial airspace or aviation activities.

But then, you know, there's certain places that they'll utilize and then they'll shut things down accordingly.

But they really try hard not to impact commercial aviation since it's such a, you know, commerce-driven entity.

So how often do you travel?

Since, you know, is that your thing?

Is that a hobby of your travel?

Well, I have a family, so I tend to do the concept of trip linking.

So it's often used in when you're driving around, you do your route, so you're using the least amount of gas.

So I'll like travel for like two weeks and then I'll stay home for a couple weeks.

So I like bulk it up.

So I was recently in Hawaii for work, came home for a day, flew to Israel, came home for a couple days, was in LA, and then I stopped for two weeks.

Wow.

That's crazy.

Always moving around.

Yeah, it's amazing.

And putting out fires.

Putting out fires or maybe creating a little.

Making a fire a little bit.

That's right.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

So like with all of, because United Airlines, like when they come across certain problems and stuff like that in the media, how do you handle those?

do you handle those?

So

we work with our communications department.

So they'll handle that side of media.

And then, you know, for me, you know, they're a good partner because what they're saying in the media is what I need to be saying to our elected officials.

And so

when I'm speaking to those electeds off the dais, you know, we're coordinated.

But I would say, for example, you know, where we're...

where we're making a little bit of fire.

Workforce development's a big thing.

We have pilot shortage.

We have flight attendant shortage in the Bay Area.

We want to grow our mechanics as we've ordered all these planes that are coming in.

You know, we've locked it in since for from now through like 2026, we're getting all the new planes coming out of Boeing and Airbus.

Wow.

So, you know, it's going to be really exciting for us and maybe not so exciting for our competitors to try to get an airplane.

Yeah, because you guys are taking all the inventory.

Yeah, we locked it in.

And I think because our CEO is so amazing.

and has foresight, like, that's how we're rolling.

But, you know, as we're getting these planes, we're working locally to ensure we have an incredible pipeline of people to work on those planes.

And

when we grow that network, that we're able to staff it with pilots and flight attendants and other amazing professionals that we need to operate.

So I'll work with our local teams.

You know, I have incredible internal partners, and then we'll go to cities, we'll go to the state, and we'll talk about how we get resources to retain and then recruit and retain employees and grow our workforce.

So that's like a fun thing to do.

It's like not as challenging as some of the other things that aren't so fun, but developing our workforce and investing in our people is a really, really cool thing to do.

What new projects are you guys working on using like the new technology that's being developed, like AI with the whole robots?

Will there be pilotless planes at some point?

Do you feel?

Or maybe

way in the future?

So there will be planes with no pilots.

I mean, possibly.

That's scary.

I mean, I'd say that's a far, far, far in the future.

I'd say more immediate is what's called the EV tools of electric vertical takeoff and landing vehicles that you're going to see.

So we've invested in heart and Archer.

Wait, so wait, wait, what?

So these are these are electric planes that have shorter distance available to them because, you know, obviously the technology isn't available for long haul.

Right, right.

But

so they'll take off and some of these technologies have like a 60 mile radius, some have 150 mile radius.

So imagine you're in the Bay Area and you're like, okay, I'm landing.

You come in, you guys are coming in from Vegas, land at SFO, you jump on an EV toll, and you like do a hop, skip, jump to Napa.

On a plane.

On an electric plane.

How big is it?

Four seat, six seat.

Oh, so it's a lot smaller one.

Yeah.

Wow.

So this is going to be modes of transportation that are emerging that are going to be utilizing regional airports in a completely different way.

So how does that make it more efficient or it just makes us, makes traveling quicker for us?

Quicker,

less footprint because these are going to be primarily electric.

So, you know, less carbon footprint, which is our goal.

The other way to do it for us is going to be the investment in sustainable aviation fuel.

So, alternative fuel, which is our biggest expense and our biggest footprint from a carbon perspective.

So, we're working on those initiatives in a variety of states, trying to get California to follow places like Chicago.

Usually, California is leading in this space, but they're getting there.

We're having great conversations with the California Air Resources Board and the administration to move the needle on creating a market, an increased market.

When you say alternative fuel, is that using another fuel besides fossil fuel?

Yes.

So this would be using municipal waste.

So there's that technology to convert municipal waste into sustainable aviation fuel, biomass, so woody material, trees, things like that.

Tallows, like oils and things from like a restaurant.

So there are technologies that take these things and convert them into sustainable aviation fuel.

So, it's alternative fuel.

And then this stuff is like public.

We never hear about this stuff.

I know.

That's why having platforms like this are amazing.

So, if we talk about this stuff, then we get the word out.

So, it's great to know because gas is just going to keep going up.

So, your margins

are damaging too to the atmosphere.

Totally.

So, how does the alternative gas actually, you know,

like counter with that?

Like, is it less effective or more effective that is it more damaging less damaging or just not damaging at all when it comes to breathing in the carbon in the air so it's it is less carbon so it's less carbon to make and then it's less carbon footprint out like the output of it

so today out of LAX and now out of FFO every flight that you are on United you will fly with sustainable aviation fuel in the in the plane so the plane I just took has it on it really but it's a small percentage and that's where we need more of it we need more of it to be produced but it needs to be incented to be made.

Like you need an incentive.

Right now, the incentives are made for biodiesel.

So truckers, like all these trucks that you see, they use biodiesel.

And so same materials, that's what they make.

But the money that they get to make it is incredibly huge.

Like they get a large subsidy.

We would like to create a subsidy that's similar to encourage those same oil producers or fuel producers to make sustainable aviation fuel.

And those policies are primarily driven at the state level.

So the more you make, the more we'll buy.

We're willing to buy a ton of it.

We've already entered into a ton of contracts to say when you make it, we'll buy it.

So it'll be cool when we get it made.

And we're leading the way because now as a passenger, you can contribute to our sustainable aviation fuel fund and you will offset your footprint because that money will then go into making and buying sustainable aviation fuel with our partners, our fuel partners.

Wow.

That's really cool.

Yeah, that's sick.

We got to start making some, Wayne.

Yeah, I know.

Let's do it.

Yeah, let's go.

Yeah.

So, so then, okay, so

damn, that's so many questions.

I got one.

So where does United rank to competition and what makes you guys better or different from competitors?

So I say we're the best airline because we do offer so many different product choices.

But I would say, you know, Delta is probably a bigger footprint, but we are way bigger and better in my mind.

And they are bigger in the U.S., we're bigger worldwide.

We're the biggest airline, world commercial airline.

Wow.

Yeah.

We offer the most international routes.

We offer

everything, just better more of it.

So, yeah, I never see Delta overseas, actually.

Yeah.

I don't even realize who I'm flying most of the time.

I booked.

You seriously, I just booked it.

You might be on the street.

I seriously started out.

Oh, no.

That's right.

She said, oh, no.

No, no, no.

Sorry.

You know, in policy, it's really funny.

In policy, we all work together.

When you create policy, that's going to impact aviation.

We actually work together.

I have great relationships with my colleagues.

But, of course, the airline themselves are extremely competitive because it is a choice kind of product, right?

So you do have to throw an elbow or two.

But I do it out of respect and out of love for my colleagues.

I feel that.

Yeah.

Let's talk about pre-United.

I want to know about you growing up because you grew up in an Indian household.

I watched a podcast where you were going to be part of an arranged marriage, I think, at one point.

Yes.

So talking about growing marriage.

How did that work?

What do you mean arranged marriage?

So my parents.

You already had your husband as a kid?

Well, I think my parents were like shopping, right?

So they immigrated from India, landed in South Carolina.

And then I grew up in, I was born and raised in South Carolina.

So I went to California when I was 16.

And, you know, when I think for immigrant parents, I'm first gen, they sort of get frozen in time a little bit, right, with their culture and their ideologies ideologies and whatnot.

So growing up, I always heard I was going to have an arranged marriage.

And that's what you do.

And I'm a very feisty kind of individual.

And so I always was like, I don't know if that's going to be really for me.

So I

sort of bucked the system.

And I went to college.

And I kept like buying myself time

and met a gentleman at work.

And then we've been married 23 years.

Wow.

Oh, wow.

You married your work husband.

I married a man that I met at work.

Yes.

At the garbage company.

Oh, at the garbage company.

At a garbage company.

Yeah.

He ran landfills, and I was running recycling programs.

Wow.

Yeah, in the 90s.

And how did your parents take it?

You know, they weren't like super thrilled, but I was getting old in their mind, right?

So I got married when I was 26, which I know that's not old.

That's old.

But culturally, right?

Like to them, I should have been like having like babies by then.

Oh, okay.

And so I got married at 26.

And then

as I was driving away, my lovely father was like, you know, thank God you're going to be taking care of her.

It's sort of that mentality, right?

Like, and it's like, I take care of me.

And my husband take care of himself.

And we together have built a beautiful life and family.

And we have awesome friends.

And, you know, so, but yeah, it was not easy.

They were very strict.

I lived at home through college.

So I made my own experiences and would get in trouble for doing so.

Like my senior year in high school, I probably cut half the year because I had already gotten into engineering school.

And I was like, f it, I'm going to go and have some fun.

And I'd cut.

And there was a time where I went to Treasure Island in San Francisco thinking that it was an amusement park.

And I showed up and it was like a freaking old military base.

That's the kind of shelter I was in, right?

I just didn't know.

So I'm always down for experiences, which is why working for an aviation company is fascinating.

But yeah, it's always been...

And I love my parents.

They did the best they could, and they're amazing human beings.

What college did you go to?

San Jose State University.

So Spartans.

And you went the whole way?

You graduated?

Graduated with a BS in environmental science.

So I switched my major, which my dad was not happy with because he wanted an engineer daughter.

But I wanted to get out and make money.

So I did.

Engineers make money, though.

Yeah, but I like talking to people.

Oh, okay, okay, I got you.

Yeah, engineers aren't the most talkative people.

Yeah, yeah.

And back then, in the 90s, there were like no girls in my class.

Like it would be all dudes and me.

Yeah.

Still in the industry.

Yeah, it's very male-dominated.

It's like one to every 30 or something.

Yeah.

Something like that.

Yeah.

Totally.

Wait, so you couldn't even date growing up?

Like, no.

Wow.

No.

What about friends?

Like, could you bring people over?

They were cool with me bringing people over, but it could only be girls.

Wait, so you never dated a guy like growing up?

You did, but not didn't.

Right.

It was all on the DL.

Yeah, yeah.

But I mean, how do you date, right?

Like when you have to be home, like even in college, right?

Like at a curfew.

In college?

All through college.

So you couldn't party.

Not really.

She party.

I mean, I did.

I did.

I did my own version of it.

Which is why I think later in life I went crazy and ballistic and had my own fun.

Right.

So you had pretty strict parents.

Is that the approach you take with your kids?

I have two boys.

So, you know, I'm raising men.

So I can't, I can be strict and structured, but not like, I can't be so strict that I'm not raising people that can have their own minds and do their own thing and have their own, like,

you know, ability to make choices based on experience.

But you got to put rails on it, right?

So I have a 17-year-old and a 15-year-old.

And so I want them to have the most amazing experiences, but I want them to understand that there are consequences.

And you have to run your life with respect and make good choices.

And, you know, what things happen, up, whatever.

Learn from that, you know, grow from it.

Ask your friends.

Never, like, you know, just do just to do it.

So, I'd probably raise them a little differently.

Um, my brother had a lot more leeway than I did.

Okay, right, always male.

It's a second child, right?

Always males, males.

We are all males, yeah, yeah, yeah, males, males are a lot less, we have a lot less restrictions than the women.

Really?

Women can get pregnant, men can't.

Oh, so you're saying people are more strict with daughters?

Oh, yes, but

I'll be able to it down.

Yeah,

I'll be more strict with my daughters, too.

Really?

Yeah, I think so.

I feel like I'll be the same, but I don't know.

Nah, your daughters, you kind of want to

strap them down, just like she said.

Well, if they're like me, you're probably going to want to strap them down.

Like, now I have kids, and I see why my parents did what they did.

Like,

I get it.

I was very boisterous.

I am boisterous, and I'm

a hustler, and I do that people don't want to do, and I'll try stuff.

Yeah.

But if you think about it,

her parents raised a wife.

She, you know, she's a wife.

She has to be a personality.

That's right.

That was her mentality.

She raised a wife.

So that's what you really want to

implement in the household.

You're raising a wife, not just your daughter.

She has to be a wife to some other man.

Oh, my God.

Are you Indian?

No, I'm just.

Because that is, you get it.

Yeah.

I mean, I just...

No, because I mean, if you think about it, right?

So the core values that you're raised with, it carries on to whatever relationships you have or lack of relationships that you have.

It really starts in a household.

So in her case, granted, she didn't see it, but if you listen to her, she said, I actually see it now.

Yeah.

Because of all everything that they inputted, and you're like, I see why.

I'm sure you're around some friends, and they can get married.

They don't know why they can't keep a man.

And then they look at you, like, how are you able to?

Well, she was raised to keep one.

For sure.

And what importance do you place on academics with your kids?

Because I know a lot of Asians are pretty strict.

My mom, I'm half Asian.

My mom was super strict.

So, how do you view it?

So, I have two different kids.

So, I have one that's super, I mean, they're both smart.

One's so smart, my one that's super, super smart that I can't have a conversation with that Google.

Like, he's that guy.

He hates school.

He's an excellent student because he just wants to get it done.

He's bored.

Yeah, he's bored.

It is.

So he's going to be a senior.

He's got, like, because he's on like an EAP, you know, he's got like the special ed stuff because he does suffer from depression.

You know, he does a lot of his school online.

And so, what we're doing now is like figuring out, okay, well, do you want to work like a donkey like your mom and dad?

Or do you want to like go to school and keep investing in your mind because you have an amazing mind?

So, it's introducing him to options, trades, army, you know, military, like everything to me is on the table to figure out what's going to be best for him.

Um, and then my younger one, also super smart, but athletic and like, you know, sort of this well-rounded kid, I put a lot of pressure on him.

He also has a, you know, a physical issue where he's unable to make his own antibodies.

So it's a primary genetic thing.

I'm the carrier of this.

So women are the carrier and then it manifests in your boys.

So he can't make T cells.

So he's unable to make antibodies to fight stuff.

So I push him a little harder because I really want him to be able to be independent and do his thing and never ever have the feeling that he has a crutch in life.

So I push him a little harder.

So one is creating options for somebody that I know will be able to take care of himself.

And the other one is

pushing because.

Yeah, and I do the pushing so he doesn't have to.

Yeah.

Without enabling, right?

I never want to be an enabler.

So does he wake up like sore on certain days?

He's super like, yeah, he's very and very connected to his body.

So he plays football at Sarah High School.

Oh, he does?

Yeah, he's at Sarah.

Oh, okay.

So, you know, Brady's on the modern.

Oh, sorry.

And so,

which is awesome.

He loves it.

He's a sophomore and he's all like special teams.

He's a puncher.

He's on offense, defense.

So, you know, I want him to have fun while balancing his academic, but I do push.

Nice.

The tiger mom is there.

The tiger mom.

That's crazy.

Wow.

Anything else you got?

No, so I want to know, like, okay, so you said your son, he battles with oppression, right?

Yeah.

How did that come about?

Or is it just because he's so

like from an IQ level standpoint, he's so smart that that tends to happen to those because he can't relate to certain people in his age group, or is that what it is?

I think it's a combination of that plus he just had really bad experiences in grade school.

Oh, okay.

And so, but I think it came from being bored, right?

So, he'd get to the end of the school year and he'd get so frustrated with being there.

He'd just like punch somebody.

And he was at a Catholic school.

And so they'd be like, he's out.

Wait, so he's just like, I'm bored.

Yeah, but

he'd get triggered, right like somebody like he's very um he's like a justice kind of guy like he's about justice so let's say you're making fun of you right he'd like punch you for doing that oh he doesn't like bullying that's right okay yeah so

yes and then you get in trouble and then and then he'd have these consequences and he's like well I was doing the right thing,

which I'd be like, you were, but you can't be punching people.

So you don't want to put him, you know, you don't want to put him in boxing.

in boxing actually i bought a bat might be good for him and i was like when you want to hit something go in the garage and hit it so i built a gym okay in the garage for my kids so that they had a place to like get their energy out and right you know so they have that they have got that little bag whatever that's called and then you know the big big big punching bag but yeah i did buy one so that you could do that yeah they say

how do you tend to manage like family life along with the work extensive work life because when you get home you're still working.

You're a mom.

Yeah, I'm working also.

So,

how do you tend to yourself?

But then, how do you, how do you also like have that work mom

life balance kind of deal?

Or is there a balance?

I struggle with it, to be honest, because I work so hard.

I'm a hustler.

Yeah, yeah.

And so I struggle.

I had a job before where I rarely saw my kids and actually left that job because I was realizing

I'm rarely being a mom.

I'm not present.

I was also physically manifesting things that were like horrible for my health: high blood pressure, you know, pre-diabetic, you know, heart palpitations,

all from stress.

And so I just needed to give myself a break and recalibrate, go to therapy, do self-care, do mental health care.

So I'm a big proponent of that.

I want to talk about it more.

I do colonics.

I do Botox.

I do anything that is about self-care.

And so

I started to balance my life with them.

So I take breaks and I'll make dinner and I talk to them about their day.

And I'm asking, you know, we talk about what's going on.

Like, you know, tell me what you're dealing with.

What's a challenge for you?

And ask random questions and have fun conversations.

And then when they are done, we clean up from dinner and they go do their video games or whatever they're doing.

Or

I go back to work and I knock shit out and work until

how does your husband like that his wife is like a super hustler?

You know, we are both independent, so he's a guy that'll like go in a helicopter and jump out of it and ski down mountains.

Tell you about it, yeah, and then tell me about it, or he'll like backpack in the wilderness and he'll kill a deer and then put the deer parts in a backpack and pack it out.

Like, that's I married that guy, okay.

And so, so he understands you and

he does because

he's himself, and I let him do him, he lets me do me, and then we have a partnership, right?

And so, it's equal in nature, right?

Like you have to have that kind of a relationship if you want to be this independent while being in a relationship that is healthy.

So you have to respect boundaries and respect the individual person.

And then I believe in modeling that.

I want my sons to see whatever they end up being, if they fall in love with a woman or a man or whomever, like I want them to see, how do you have a healthy relationship?

How do you communicate in a healthy way?

How do you debate in a healthy way?

Have an argument.

But then you're like, you know, can we find some common ground?

Can we agree agree to disagree?

Like, come on, you know, like, you can still be emotional and emote, but not in a way that's disrespectful or effed up.

Like what we see after COVID, the way people were expressing themselves were.

No, it was a lot of divorces and breakups happening because they just had to look at each other.

That's right.

They had to face one another.

Finally, it's like, yeah, you're not who I want to be with.

So, how do you maintain a successful relationship for 23 years?

Is there a secret?

I mean, what would be like the

the three things that you can name that's like this is actually what i feel would work in for a sustainable relationship for 23 that's a long time broader than most yeah yeah that's that's killing a minute

it's been a minute um you know i just think it's it's having sort of baseline a baseline expectation of yourself and your partner right like i know his strengths i know his weaknesses there are things about him i will never ever change and you have to accept right you just accept and we grow I mean being with somebody I'm not the person I was 20 years you see him change so much yeah and you have to kind of let each person do their thing but and as a person grows you grow with them and you know there's been times in our marriage where we were distant

and you know and respecting that is part of the relationship you're gonna have ebbs and flows and not everything's gonna be wonderful and rosy and amazing but there was always love always respect, and a core.

And so, and that's, I think, what I'm fortunate that we have is that we still have that together.

Imagine if the women today understood that

because they dump us.

Like, we like

a relationship.

I mean, we just live in a society now where it's just like on to the next.

Yeah, it's a swipe relationship environment.

Like, it's swiping mentality, right?

I don't like this swipe.

I don't like him swipe.

Yeah.

And so, I mean, there are things about my husband I don't like,

but there are 10 times more things I do.

And so,

you know, it's, I think our society today lacks the ability to have tolerance for each other.

We don't have patience for one another.

And so you got to have those things.

We got to figure out how do we bring that back into our society is just simply being tolerant, being empathetic.

It's kind of what a lot of the movements are about.

You know,

don't you think?

Which movements are you?

Yeah, what movements?

I don't know what movements are about.

Well, I feel like, you know,

when you're looking at

like the BLM movement,

empathy, tolerance.

Yeah, but

I have my own opinion.

We'll get canceled if you talk about BLM.

Oh, don't do that then.

Yeah, I have my own opinion about that, but I can understand where you're coming from.

Yeah, I guess where I'm at.

At the base, yeah, I get what.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, at the base.

Sorry.

I don't mean to like, you know,

become super controversial.

That's not my idea.

But I just feel like, you know, when it comes to the long-term relationships, I don't think people understand a lot of, you know, people just in general don't understand that concept.

Like, you want to be with someone that long.

Cause, I mean, why not, right?

Yeah, I mean, I think that's the goal is to find a partner that you really can be a partner with.

Right, right.

But I take the definition of partner literally.

It is give and take.

It is tolerating.

It's understanding.

It's compromising.

I'm not going to get in my way.

There's going to be times where I have to swallow that pill or eat crow, and it sucks.

Crow sucks.

What's crow?

Eating crow sucks.

Crow?

Eating crow.

You've not heard that saying?

No, but it's up.

I've never heard it, but are you talking about the bird?

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know.

Like it's nasty.

Oh, crow is actually nasty?

Yeah, like I would assume.

It's like a saying.

It's like where you have to eat your words, where you have to, you know.

It's like, okay, like, but I also have a mentality, at least as I get older, where I just want to be able to live in peace.

And so sometimes you just have to, you know, debate and then you say, okay, well, I've said my piece, so I'm not going to keep debating this.

It's like, you said yours, I've said mine.

We'll agree to disagree.

Let it go.

Let's have some fun.

A lot of people can't let it go, though.

Yeah, that's a problem, right?

Ego.

Ego, right?

Yeah.

You got to let it go.

It manifests in your body if you hold on to it.

They want to be right.

Yeah, and it's okay not to be.

People won't won't admit when they're wrong though wrong and right is all subjective it's all about what you agree or disagree with so yeah if like you say you have to learn how to disagree that's really what it is that's what it boils down to is learning how to disagree with one another yes and moving on totally like we can have a total debate

and then walk away from it and still kick it and have a great time cook chill whatever but that's out of respect

because I now respect what you're saying.

It's out of love.

You know what I mean?

Like it's out of these places where you're not harboring things in your body and it manifests in it, like cancer and other things.

That's a fact because it will.

Stress can cause disease.

Resentment does too.

Totally.

Inflammation.

A hundred percent.

It's not worth it.

Let it go.

Absolutely.

Papia, it's been a pleasure.

What's next for you?

Any closing thoughts?

I'm like, well, you guys are amazing.

Keep creating platforms for people to share their ideas.

These kinds of environments are so important because then you can learn, you grow.

And I just appreciate you guys.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

Lily coming on.

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