Exorcisms, Witchcraft, & Free Speech by Pastor Locke | DSH #1562

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I don't think people realize the context that the world will really give you.

It'll change your mind and change your thinking when you really get out of your bubble and see people in different cultures.

People just aren't that hungry, you know, for the things of God, for church, for the things of the Bible.

So to see that, it's exhilarating.

So I've been preaching since I was 16.

And so I just started preaching immediately.

And I don't know, it was just in me.

I'd go to jails, rescue missions, nursing homes.

I'd go out on the street with a broke karaoke machine.

You know, just as a teenager, it was just in me.

And I just found out, man, I'm gifted to communicate to people, and I just enjoy it.

And it's just, I love it.

It's what I live literally to communicate and preach.

Okay, guys, all the way from Nashville, we got Pastor Greg Locke here today.

What's going on, my man?

Oh, man.

Thanks for having me.

I'm excited to be here.

Absolutely.

You're not in Vegas too often, right?

Not a whole lot.

Maybe a couple times a year for a conference or something.

Yeah, it doesn't mix with what you do, right?

Not a whole lot.

Cin City?

Sin City.

Yeah.

But I'm glad to be here.

Thanks for coming, man.

I know you're all in on content, right?

Getting the message out these these days.

Absolutely.

We're trying to use every platform we can.

What's the main goal for you this year?

You know, I really, we've really gone to the nations this year.

I've really been traveling a lot, letting a lot of our pastors and other people, both men and women, my wife, kind of fill in.

And I've just traveled all over, man.

I've been all over the Middle East, all over Africa, all over Asia, Europe.

And we've just been going, going, going, just trying to get the message out.

That's one of the biggest things I tell young people is to travel.

Yes, absolutely.

I don't think people realize the context that the world will really give you.

It'll change your mind and change your thinking when you really get out of your bubble and see people in different cultures.

For sure.

Which trips stand out to you that really changed some perspective?

You know, we were just in Tanzania a while back, and I mean, it was so powerful.

I mean, there's tens of thousands of people that come to the Crusades every night.

And I don't know people see that on television, but when you sense it and you smell it and you see it, and the people are there, they're walking miles, sometimes an entire day, just to get to a crusade, and they're just hungry.

And it's just beautiful to see that because in America, sometimes we lose that reality.

Wow.

People just aren't that hungry, you know, for the things of God, for church, for the things of the Bible.

So to see that, it's exhilarating.

That is really impressive.

So other countries seem to be gravitating towards it.

They really do.

And a lot of the other ones I'm doing, I'm doing like pastor training and Bulgaria and Germany and various places like that.

We're getting ready to go to Slovakia, St.

Petersburg, Russia.

And I go to Israel almost.

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Once a month, you know, doing work there in churches and with the Orthodox.

And so it just gives you a really well-rounded context of life to meet so many different people.

That is impressive.

What should I expect that someone that's never been to Israel is going for the first first time?

You know, I think they're going to be shocked that it really is much more peaceful than the media kind of gives them credit for.

I mean, there's just not a lot going on.

You'd have to really go north.

You'd have to go, you know, to Gaza and all of that and all the controversy.

But as far as, you know, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, it's just very peaceful.

And they're night people.

So the restaurants are staying open until like midnight.

Little kids are running around the streets.

There's no crime.

And then, you know, people aren't waking up till 10 o'clock in the morning.

So you can't really get breakfast anywhere because they're night owls, not early morning people.

Wow, I didn't know that.

Yeah, that's good to know.

That's good to know.

It's super cool.

So no breakfast out there.

Yeah, not very much.

There's a few places you can get it.

You know, the coffee shops will open, but nothing for sit-down.

Holy crap.

And did you feel like you could be yourself out there?

Yeah.

Free speech and everything?

Yeah, absolutely.

Very free speech.

And, you know, they're very Christian friendly.

And I'm going, like I said, I'm working with churches in the evangelical realm, but then I'm working with people that they know who I am.

You know, they know I'm a Jesus guy, but I understand where they are as far as their Judaism is concerned.

And we get along just really well.

Wow.

That's really, really good to know, honestly.

Because it's easy to believe a narrative, right?

Yes, it is.

And when you go there, whether it's the Israeli side or the Islamic side, you know what everybody wants to be?

Just left alone.

Everybody just wants peace over there.

They really do.

And so it's not as hostile as the media has played it out to be.

How did you get to this international level?

Was it pretty immediate?

Yeah, you know, I used to travel a lot as an evangelist, and then I started the church 19 years ago, and I figured, hey, if the name of our church is Global Vision, Bible Church, I might as well kind of get out.

And so for years, I was kind of afraid to travel because I was growing the church, and we were really growing rapidly, especially during the COVID era.

You know, I never closed the church down, and so we exploded by thousands.

And so I felt like I needed to be there during that season.

But about a year and a half, two years ago, I just came to my wife and I said, honey, we need to raise up people that can communicate well, and I need to travel.

I need to take my gifts elsewhere and see the world.

And it's been the most eye-opening experience of my life.

So you felt like you did a lot in Nashville.

You wanted to kind of.

Yeah, and I'm still there.

You know, I'm more what you would call in the Christian world, kind of apostolically overseeing the church.

So I'm pastoring the shepherds, the other leaders, the staff, and then they're shepherding the church.

You know, it's been a very healthy transition.

So this has been a majority of your life this mission.

Yeah, it really has.

And so I've been preaching.

I'm 49, almost 50 years old.

So I've been preaching since I was 16.

Holy crap.

That's high school.

Yeah, high school.

I was arrested five times on probation, like, you know, six times.

I lived in a children's home for four years, a boys' orphanage in Murfreesboro.

That's still going strong to this day.

And that's where I came to faith in Christ.

And so I just started preaching immediately.

And I don't know, it was just in me.

I'd go to jails, rescue missions, nursing homes.

I'd go out on the street with a broke karaoke machine, you know, just as a teenager, it was just in me.

And I just found out, man, I'm gifted to communicate to people, you know, whether it's one-on-one or whether it's 10,000, it doesn't matter.

And I just enjoy it.

And I just took off.

And so sometimes people say, well, you know, I feel like this is what the Lord wants me to do, but, you know, I'm just waiting.

And I tell guys, look, if you have communication in you, even like in your business, it's going to come out.

You're going to do it.

You're going to talk.

You're going to preach.

You're going to speak.

You're going to motivate.

And it's just, I love it.

It's what I live literally to communicate and preach.

That's beautiful, man.

Humble beginnings.

You found it early.

16.

16 years old.

That is super early.

Yeah.

And then stayed at the children's home again until almost 20 when I went off to seminary,

which I don't much recommend anymore for a lot of people.

Sometimes you have to come out of seminary and unlearn some stuff, right?

I think the ministry and life and the church world will teach you all you need to know.

If you have a well-versed understanding of the Bible, that's really the greatest context you're ever going to have.

And so I just started super early.

They told me when I was in college, well, it's going to take years for people to figure out who you are.

But as soon as I graduated, man, I hit the road and I was just preaching all over the world.

And then I just felt like I wanted to go back home to Nashville.

start a church.

Kind of the theme of our church is where broken people find new meaning to life.

And so we have a lot of, you know, addicts, ex-addicts, divorcees, you know, people that have been in prison.

You know, well, we might have an usher passing an offering bucket with an ankle bracelet on, right?

I mean, we just, we're really a church for all people, not just the religious, not just the denominational.

And we came out of deep Baptist theological roots.

And of course, you know, I went from being a Baptist to now casting out demons and being super charismatic.

And so it's been an interesting ride.

Yeah.

I love that.

We kind of share this, I think, the no judgment kind of mindset, right?

Absolutely.

Yeah, absolutely.

We just, we tell people, look, you can come as you are.

We just love you too much to let you stay that way.

We really believe the gospel can change your life.

We really believe the Lord has a plan for you.

But, you know, we want you to come.

And here's what people need to understand.

Because sometimes they may see a clip of of me and I might be saying something about LGBT or about abortion or something like that.

And they're like, oh, this guy's just super hateful.

Here's what I tell people.

Here's the difference.

There's a huge biblical difference between acceptance and approval.

I'll accept you no matter who you are, no matter what your lifestyle is, and I'll love you.

That doesn't mean I have to approve and vice versa.

But the problem with much of the younger, if you will, generation and social media is we believe that disagreement is automatic division when it doesn't have to be.

We don't disagree because we have to be enemies.

We disagree because we're human.

There are things we're going to disagree about.

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Human nature, right?

Yeah, absolutely.

If you have the same exact beliefs as everyone, you're not yourself.

Yeah, you're not very well-rounded.

Yeah, and that's the issue with all the sides.

That's the issue sometimes with politics.

Yes.

You'll pick a candidate and you'll start agreeing with every single thing.

Yes.

You can't broadstroke them.

And you can't even broadstroke a preacher, right?

There's been times I had to get up and repent and say, you know what?

I said that was in the Bible, but, you know, that was stupid.

It wasn't in the Bible.

Right.

There's been times I've had to change my position.

Yeah.

I'm glad you addressed that because ChatGPT had some choice things to say about you.

That makes sense.

Yeah.

Let's dive into that.

Well, they mentioned LGBTQ stuff.

They mentioned you're against witchcraft.

Harry Potter had even mentioned.

Yeah.

Well, the Harry Potter debacle is interesting because every year for a while, especially when we were in the tent era, we would have like a Halloween burning.

And churches have been burning stuff for a long time, you know, like witchcraft and, you know, things of magic or divination.

The problem with us, if you want to call it a problem, was we had such a big platform and such a controversial following that everybody's like, oh, this lock guy, he's lost his mind.

He's burning books like Hitler.

And I'm like, I'm not burning books.

And so we just encouraged people to voluntarily bring in what you feel would be witchcraft or things that you've been delivered from or whatever it may be.

And we mentioned Harry Potter.

We're like, look, any sort of witchcraft, warlock, witchery, whatever.

And people were bringing it in and the news was there and they had a colossal meltdown over the Harry Potter stuff, right?

And I was just, look, Deuteronomy chapter 18 says, you know, no witches, no warlocks, no spells, no demons.

Let's just deal with all of it.

It's not like I was making people bring stuff to the bonfire, but I mean, they had a meltdown.

Wow.

A big meltdown.

All the Harry Potter books were in that fire?

Some of them were, yeah.

People brought it, but I mean, people brought things that you wouldn't imagine.

I mean, people were bringing Ouija boards.

We actually had a lady, oddly enough, she brought a wedding dress because she was involved in an occultic marriage ceremony.

And she said, you know what?

The Lord has changed my life, delivered me from that.

And she brought it and she burned the dress.

And so the news didn't know what to think about us.

But in Acts chapter 19, you know, the Apostle Paul, he went to a certain city, and the Bible says that they brought all of their witchcraft and their books of sorcery and their spells, and they burned them before all men in the city.

So Christianity has been known for doing that for a very long time.

But when you're a controversial voice, you know, and an influencer, people are like, who is this guy?

He has lost his mind.

And I mean, people were showing, atheists, Satanists were showing up.

They were picketing.

We actually had a guy show up and he pretended to be amongst us and he stood up it was the first of the two that we did and he stood up and just started screaming and took bibles and started throwing them in the fire crap and so he was definitely protesting but yeah i don't know we we've run into all kinds we've had craziest things in the world happen at our children's nuts um how common is the witchcraft these days are you seeing that pretty often we are we're seeing a lot of witchcraft especially you know when i'm going over to africa

I tell people, look, America has got domesticated demonology.

That's some real witchcraft, some real voodoo.

but you see it everywhere.

And I do think, and I understand that, you know, parents have a right to allow their kids to view whatever they want, but I do think there's a lot of witchery and sorcery that has been produced into our media in a lot of ways.

And

it just kind of started out years ago.

Sabrina, the teenage witch, you know, but it got a little darker and a little darker.

And I mean, now it's full-blown, you know, demonism.

And people look at a guy like me and they're like, oh, this is foolish.

There's no such thing as demons.

There's no such thing as witchcraft.

And I'm like, well, Hollywood that because they're making their money.

All the ticket sales are for the exorcist movies, right?

For the nefarious, for all the demons and werewolves and vampires, because something inside of us tells us the supernatural is real.

So from a Christian standpoint, I've allowed people to understand, yeah, you're exactly right.

There's a dark side and there is a light side.

You know, nation shall rise against nation, but the Bible says kingdom shall rise against kingdom.

Well, there's only two kingdoms.

There's the kingdom of righteousness and the kingdom of unrighteousness.

And the reason deliverance ministry, demons, exorcism, whatever you're going to call it, the reason it makes people uncomfortable is because we're exposing a kingdom that just would rather assume to be invisible.

The devil doesn't want to be exposed.

He wants witchcraft to seem very childlike and very harmless, but it's not harmless.

It's destroying people's lives.

I think so, too.

Horror used to be my favorite genre growing up.

Now I don't watch any.

I refuse.

It's been like three, four years.

It really affects you.

Church or no church, it'll give you nightmares.

It'll give you fear.

And it'll change you.

There's some torment that people subject themselves to.

I used to have nightmares every single night.

I would think very pessimistically.

I was very negative.

And I think it was definitely related to that.

100%.

Yeah.

So be careful with the horror movies coming.

Come on, absolutely.

Because really, we call it a door.

It's opening a door to the supernatural.

And Hollywood knows that, but pastors don't want to talk about it because it's the uncomfortable elephant in the room.

But we have to talk about it.

Jesus never shied away from it.

Here's what people don't recognize.

If you just take the four gospels, what we call Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, you know, the accounts of the life of Jesus for three and a half years, 276 times we have records of when Jesus talked about or dealt with deliverance ministry, exorcism, 276 times in only four books.

And in those four books, they're pretty much talking about the same eyewitness accounts.

And so it was the ministry of Jesus.

And so our church just kind of brought it back to the forefront, you know, with the movie come out in Jesus' name and the cast it out book and all of that.

So people look at us and they're like, oh, you know, all this guy ever talks about is demons.

To be honest, we very rarely ever talk about demons.

It just happens.

People just flare up.

And so now they're calling us from all over the world.

They're driving in from all over the globe, literally, because people are like, look, I've got these addictions.

I've got this sickness.

And not everything's a demon.

Not everything's a demon.

I get that.

Sometimes people need medication.

Sometimes they need counseling.

Sometimes they need, you know, further inner healing from trauma, from abuse, or whatever it may be.

But if it's demonic, and many times it is, a peel won't touch it.

A prayer meeting won't touch it.

A podcast won't touch it.

Counseling won't help it.

The only way to deal with something that's truly a spiritual demonic attack, a demon, is to cast it out in the name of Jesus.

Wow.

Deliverance ministry.

And so we're big into that.

And so we brought back what should have never gone anywhere to the church, which is the ministry of Jesus Christ.

He cast out more demons than he healed people.

He cast out more demons than he preached.

Wow.

The Bible says in every synagogue throughout the Galilee, Jesus went, and everywhere he went, he cast out evil spirits.

And of course, it's controversial.

You know, pastors that don't like that, especially from the Baptist realm that I'm out of, they're like, well, you talk about, you know, this deliverance ministry, that's so demonic.

And I'm like, yeah, you're exactly right.

We're talking about demons.

Of course, it's demonic.

Of course, it's demonic.

What an interesting take.

I did not know this, first of all.

I've taught on a lot of pastors on the show.

None of them have brought this up to me before.

So 276 times it was mentioned in those.

Just in the Gospels alone.

Holy crap.

It's mentioned many, many times throughout the New Testament.

So the demons were around even back then.

Oh, way back then.

Wow.

I'm fascinated by that.

Yeah, that's nuts, man.

I don't even know what to say.

Do you have have to cast them out in person?

Can you do it virtually?

You can do it virtually.

Yeah, we've done Zooms, you know, and sometimes I'll do like a live Facebook.

You know, maybe somebody can't get to one of our group deliverances, mass deliverances, and we can do it right.

You can do it over the phone, right?

I mean, I'd love to just attend one of these mass deliverances and see how the crowd reacts.

It must be a lot of fun.

We're actually,

we just signed, Law Comedia just signed with a Netflix crew, and we're doing a four-part series on, I think they're calling it the Demon Slayer or something like that.

But they're following me around and, you know, coming to our church and then going to various places, even in the nations, and they're watching.

Is this legit?

And understand, there are some people out there that, you know, they call themselves prophetic on YouTube and they got their blue check marks and social media and all of that.

But there are people that make it hokey.

There are people that are in it for the money.

You know, there are these prosperity type guys that are in it for the wrong reason.

And there's people that have been caught, you know, paying people to manifest demons and paying people to get out of wheelchairs.

And look, I'm not for that.

That is absolute nonsense.

You have to understand my context.

Five years years ago, I didn't believe in any of this.

I was a cessationist.

I didn't believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

I didn't believe in tongues, miracles, healings, deliverance.

I wouldn't talk about any of that.

I would just line by line, verse by verse.

So for a guy like me, it makes me angry to see people making it up because I'm watching it supernaturally really happen and unfold before my very eyes.

I'm not having to make up anything.

I'm not in this for the clicks and shares and likes.

If anything, it's caused me more pushback.

It's caused me more hatred.

It's caused me, you know, more sponsors walking out the door, people leaving our church, friendships, you know, being abandoned because they're like, man, you're crazy.

How can you believe this?

And I'm like, how can you not?

There are people that can't sleep at night.

Their marriage is a mess.

Their kids are having nightmares.

They're seeing stuff in the house.

And we're trying to minimize that in the church because it's uncomfortable.

And I think in every generation, God raises up, and I'm not saying I'm some great person, but God raises up a face and a voice that's willing to deal with the uncomfortable subjects.

And I'm just willing to combat them.

And I was built for that from like 2015 to about 2021 because I was known for politics and Trump and, you know, COVID and all of that.

So I tell people, look, I got bored of fighting Democrats and I started fighting demons because that's the real issue on either side of the aisle, right?

This is a supernatural problem.

Yeah, demons don't care if you're a Democrat.

We don't have a White House problem.

We have a God's house problem.

We have preachers that are cowards that won't stand up and deal with what needs to be dealt with.

Jesus dealt with the supernatural more than anything else in his ministry.

So, who am I to call myself a follower of Christ and then just despise the very message that he preached?

Yeah, respect.

I also think a lot of people are like afraid to open up about potentially being possessed.

They are, they are.

And, you know, and sometimes people read that in the Bible about possession.

There's really no such word in the Bible as possession, right?

That was a kind of a King James translation.

It's a Greek word that just means to be influenced by, to be oppressed.

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Let's just say that you and I, just for sake of an example, we're in a deliverance session, right?

And you're like, you know, I have these horrible nightmares.

like you're talking about.

I can't sleep at night.

Well, that doesn't mean you can't function during the day.

It doesn't mean that you can't talk.

It doesn't mean that you can't still do good things and communicate and do 500 podcasts a week, right?

You still have functionality.

It's just that one area of your life that's being influenced by the supernatural.

So when people hear possessed, they think, oh, wow, that the devil just owns me.

No, no, no, especially for a Christian.

I don't believe a Christian can be possessed.

possessed by a demon because a Christian is literally infiltrated by the power of the Holy Spirit with a temple of God.

But in our flesh, we can still have influences.

There can still be witchcraft.

There can still be addiction, lust, pornography, whatever.

There's a lot of things that even Christians face.

But we want to say, well, you know, a Christian can never be influenced by a demon.

So when they tell me that, I'm like, a demon just said that.

That's a demon talking, right?

They're trying to hide.

They're trying to remain invisible.

So it is a controversial subject, but I think more people are coming around to it.

And now I'm starting to get a lot of calls from people that kind of abandoned me me back in the day.

And they're like, oh, man, we've got this going on in our church.

Maybe you're not nearly as crazy as we thought.

Wow.

Maybe you're not as

kooky.

Yeah, now they're starting to realize

we might need you to come teach on this.

Wow.

And it's happening.

Must feel good to validate you.

People are waking up to the reality.

There is a supernatural realm.

And you're going to operate in it one way or the other.

You're either going to take authority over it or you're going to be completely overrun by it.

So make up your mind.

You can have the supernatural affect you or you can have authority and boldness and you can affect the supernatural.

So to cast them out, do you have to be a believer of Christianity?

Like, how does it work exactly?

Well, you know, it's interesting.

No, because there's a passage in the Bible in Matthew chapter 7 where even people stand at the judgment and Jesus said, look, I never knew you.

And they said, wait a minute, we cast out devils.

You know, we spoke in tongues.

We wrote books.

We did all these wonderful works.

And he said, I didn't know you.

So the power is not in the person.

The power is in the person that we represent.

The power is in the name of Jesus.

So I tell people, look, if I'm in a deliverance session, I can look somebody in the face and say, in the name of Greg Locke, come out.

Nothing.

In the name of Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, whoever, come out.

Nothing's going to happen, right?

But there's something about the name of Jesus that makes people extraordinarily uncomfortable.

It's kind of like the Bible, right?

If I brought a Sports Illustrated to work, nobody would say anything.

If I brought a Quran to the car lot, nobody would say anything.

If I brought a phone book, whatever, it wouldn't bother people.

You start carrying a Bible around, lay a Bible, all of a sudden you're getting called into HR because it's bothering people.

So they'll let you talk about God.

They'll let you talk about angels, but start talking about Jesus and see what happens.

Why does it flare people up?

Because it flares the demonic up.

The demonic, there's only one name whereby we are saved, and there's only one name by where we're delivered.

It's the name of Jesus.

Wow.

And you can call out 10,000 names and nothing will happen.

But you want to see sparks fly?

Get somebody oppressed by a demon and start calling out the name of Jesus and they'll wiggle and slither like a snake on the floor, my friend.

Wow, that's interesting.

interesting.

I've called out to him in my dreams.

Yeah, absolutely.

And they've gone away.

I've had people attacking me in my dreams.

I'll call out Jesus and it helps.

And people are like, well, what is that?

Like a lucky rabbit's foot?

No, it's authority.

Demons, no, the supernatural realm stands at attention when the name of Jesus is used because he's king of kings and lord of lords.

Can't change that fact.

And so, look, we have a choice, and the choice is clear.

We can make Jesus Lord of our life because we choose to.

Or in the day of judgment, we can make him Lord of our life because we're forced to.

But we're going to call him Lord one day.

And every demon demon in hell and the devil himself one day is going to admit Jesus Christ is Lord.

He's the way, the truth, and the life.

And people get angry, even in the church world, and they're like, well, you know, that's just so,

that's so exclusive, right?

You're making these claims that Jesus is the only way.

Well, number one, Jesus was the one that made that claim, John 14, 6.

But secondarily, Jesus is exclusive.

And he's the one that made that claim.

So who am I to make it less inclusive, right?

Who am I to say, oh, no, there's many, many, many ways to God when the Bible clearly teaches me there's only one way.

So to say that I'm narrow-minded, Jesus said, narrow is the way that leads into life and few there be that find it, but broad is the way that leads to destruction and many there be which go in thereat.

So, man, we literally could talk about this stuff for days because I just, I love, even in a situation like this where you and I glaringly would disagree about some stuff, but we can sit down and you give me a chance and I'm like, look, here's what the Bible says.

You can believe what you want, right?

We're free moral agents.

God is not going to make us religious, righteous robots.

We can choose or we can choose to walk away from it.

God gives us that choice.

And so I think sometimes people look at a guy like me, you know, Chat GPT says these things and they're like, oh my goodness, this guy has lost his marbles.

No, I'm really just saying what's been said by Jesus for the last 2,000 years.

It's just not.

It's just not fun.

It's just not the picture that people want on social media.

They want pastors to be all smiley and all kind.

Every day's a Friday, and everything's good in the hood, and you're always going to have money, and you're going to have a leer jet, and your wife's always going to love you, and your dog's never going to bark at you, and

everything's always going to be wonderful.

Your kids aren't going to go astray.

That's not reality.

Reality is life is a crap fest.

There's problems, there's sickness, there's disease, there's divorce, your kids go astray, all of that, right?

I'm the pastor of a large church with a massive following that has a kid that's been in and out of rehab for years, you know, an adult son that's, that's been struggling.

And here I am, I'm a deliverance minister and can't seem to get my kid's head screwed on straight, right?

That's real.

That's reality.

And so I don't think people see that side of Pastor Greg Locke and Global Vision,

the vulnerable side.

When I'm like, man, I've blown it.

I've made my mistakes.

You know, I've gone through what most churches would consider leprosy, right?

Especially

in the Baptist world.

You know, I'm a divorced and remarried pastor, which is like the most taboo thing that can happen in Christianity.

But God is a God of restoration.

He's a God of forgiveness.

He's a God not of the second chance.

He's a God of the hundredth chance.

I mean, where would we be?

There'd be no breath in our body if God ran out of patience like we run out of patience with other people.

What does the Bible say about divorce?

I'm not familiar with it.

You know, the Bible has a lot to say about it, but it also gives some justifiable reasons for it, you know, in the case of adultery or abuse or addiction, things like that.

And so people sometimes will hold that over people's minds, especially traditionalists or real denominational people and say, well, if you're divorced and remarried, you're going to live in what they call perpetual adultery.

You'll never be forgiven.

Well, that's nonsense because that would make that the unforgivable sin.

And there's only one unforgivable sin in Matthew chapter 12, and it's the rejection of the Holy Spirit.

And so I think sometimes churches have missed great opportunities to let people use their gifts because they've got a sketchy past or because they have a divorce or remarriage.

Where, listen, if God can't forgive someone and restore someone after a divorce, what kind of God is that?

Right?

What kind of nonsense is that?

I mean, God forgives and moves on.

So here's what I tell folks.

God has Bible forgiveness.

I wish people had Bible forgiveness, but they have more of what I call church forgiveness.

Oh, I forgive you, brother, but they'll talk about you on Facebook.

They'll inviscerate you on social media.

They'll talk face face to face and love you, but then behind your back, they'll talk nonsense and crap about you.

Yeah, 100%.

So I think that's what's given the church a black eye in a lot of ways because there's no grace.

There's no real mercy.

But I also want to understand that we need the grace, the mercy, the forgiveness, high levels of compassion.

Sometimes I cry more than I preach, right?

And the older I get, the more compassion I get, but that doesn't take away from the boldness.

We still need preachers that have a backbone.

There's just so many of them just willy-nilly, just go with the flow and just, you know, let everybody else make the decision.

They're afraid to deal with the issues.

But because I do deal with the issues, people are like, oh, wow, this guy's saying what I've been thinking.

I'm just afraid to say it, but he's saying it.

So let's go to his church and listen to him say it.

Exactly.

You're living in authenticity.

Yes.

That's why people gravitate towards it.

Absolutely.

A lot of pastors will never admit personal issues they're dealing with.

Exactly.

Right.

And for me, I'd rather know that kind of stuff if I'm going to be learning this from you.

Yeah.

Because people are like, oh, wow, this makes him real.

He's not going to open up his shirt and have a big S tattooed on his chest.

The guy's not some superhero, right?

He's a real person like us.

Real marital problems, real kid problems.

I mean, even before we found deliverance ministry, I went through three years of hellacious depression.

Wow.

I mean, I was preaching in a big church, preached the paint off the walls.

I'd go home, couldn't get out of bed for three days.

Couldn't figure out what is wrong with me, right?

What is wrong with me?

And then I just began to realize, man, this is a supernatural deal.

Because here's what I tell people: depression is not a something, it's a someone.

Because Isaiah 61 says it's the spirit of heaviness.

That's why people can't explain it.

And they look at them and say, well, why can't you just get over it?

You can't.

Because that heaviness, it's a someone.

It's a spirit of oppression that comes upon you and wants to keep you sad, wants to keep you medicated, wants to keep you in the bed, wants to keep you isolated, keep you away from friends and family.

And as a pastor, man, I struggled with that for like three years.

Wow.

I wanted to quit.

Was that a demonic thing, you think?

You know, I really believe it was.

And that's pre-deliverance.

That's pre-me understanding.

I was still very baptistic, you know, in my mindset.

But I look back now and I see the heaviness because it was forcing me, it was forcing my marriage into a corner at that time.

It was forcing my kids.

It was making me angry.

And, you know, I would preach, but I felt like a hypocrite because I'd preach, oh yeah, God wants to give you happiness and joy and peace and all this.

And I'd go home.

I didn't have any of it, right?

Because that supernatural oppression that was upon me.

But now I can guarantee people, look, you can have problems, but you can have joy.

You can be abundantly blessed.

You don't have to have nightmares.

You don't have to put up with this nonsense nonsense in your family.

You can take authority over it if you want to.

Yeah, the mental health linkage with demons is interesting to me.

They're doing studies on schizophrenic people right now.

You know what I mean?

Oh, yeah.

You know, there is a mental health aspect we can't take away from that.

But I think much of it sometimes can be what we would call, according to the book of Deuteronomy, a generational curse.

Because, you know, sometimes you'll hear somebody say, man, I got all these crazy thoughts.

My dad, he had all these crazy thoughts.

And, you know, my grandfather had these crazy thoughts.

He committed suicide and his dad committed suicide.

Well, somewhere there's a link in the chain that's going to have to be broken, right?

There are generational curses.

And people hear that and they're like, oh, no, no, no.

I only believe in generational blessings.

Well, you can't have it both ways.

You can't have generational blessings without generational curse.

You can't have God without the devil.

You got to have both.

We can't have up without down, right without wrong.

And so I believe somebody in a mindset like that can be under a schizophrenic curse, but it can be broken.

It really can be broken.

I definitely believe that.

100%.

I think generational curse.

And again, not everything's a demon, not everything's a generational curse, but things do follow you in the bloodline.

It's interesting because doctors, they believe that more than pastors do.

Really?

Because if you go to a new doctor, here's what they'll do.

They'll give you a sheet of paper and they'll make you fill it out and say, you ever had any high blood pressure?

Anybody ever had cancer in your family?

Anybody have schizophrenia?

Anybody ever commit suicide?

They won't say this.

What they're looking for is a generational curse.

They'll just say, you know, we're looking for something to see if it's, you know, in your family history.

Right.

Well, yeah, because they're seeing, is there a pattern?

if there is a pattern in your family of consistent madness hallucinations suicidal thoughts it's a pattern of a generational curse that can be broken by the power of jesus wow that is they can be set free now when i fill these out you got me thinking you got me thinking

you're so right though why would they be asking about yeah they're asking because they're looking for a pattern yeah yeah holy crap but we just happen to know what the pattern is and the pattern's a generational curse that is nuts um are there different power levels to these demons so like when you're casting them out, there is.

Yeah, you know, the Bible talks about, you know, powers, principalities, powers, spiritual wickedness in high places.

There's levels.

You know, there are some demonic entities, if you will, that are smaller, maybe not in size, but in force, in authority.

But then, you know, the Bible talks about a strong man and the Bible talks about some real major demons that are like the captain.

I call them the gatekeeper, right?

Demons are like gang members.

They're cowards.

They never come one at a time.

They always have a little group.

For example, if somebody's struggling with with rejection, well, they automatically have a spirit of abandonment too.

They feel rejected probably because they've been abandoned.

And a lot of times that is because of abuse.

And so these spirits kind of, they kind of run in hordes.

They kind of run in groups, right?

If somebody is struggling with depression, well, I can tell you there's probably a spirit of anxiety that's coming against them, making them nervous all the time and fearful all the time.

And they're tormented and they can't sleep well.

And so it's never just one.

So there are different power levels.

But the Bible talks about, you know, strong men and talks about those that maybe have a higher level of authority.

And you don't want to just go all willy-nilly, you know, John Wayne walking up in there like you're all that.

Because, I mean, these demons, they'll challenge you.

They don't play games because they know what's going on.

They know if you're being legit or not.

For example, one of the humorous, when we first got into it a few years ago, a number of years ago, we had a guy.

Sometimes we'll take a Bible, like a physical Bible, and when somebody is manifesting a demon, we'll just like lay it on their back and we'll just talk.

It's like water on a witch, right?

And I mean, it just, it flares them up.

Well, we had this this guy, he was all going gung-ho, John Wick, acting crazy, and he's screaming and hollering, you know, putting this Bible.

And this guy snapped up, and this voice came out of him.

He said, why are you hitting me with that Bible?

You don't even read the one that's in your hand.

And so immediately we realized, oh, this demon is embarrassing this guy.

He's up here acting a fool.

And this demon already knows you ain't reading the Bible.

You know, we had to start separating husbands and wives during like deliverance because spirits would manifest and would embarrass the other spouse.

For example, we had a husband and wife sitting on the couch in my office four years ago.

I'll never forget it.

And the woman started speaking.

It wasn't her, right?

It was that channeling, kind of like that lady was on here the other day.

The spirit came out and began to speak and started calling the names of the women her husband was sleeping with.

And she didn't even know that he was in an affair.

And it caused a

fiasco, brother.

So we had to start separating them because they'll start telling on each other.

Wow.

Yeah.

that is nuts so do you think all forms of channeling is demonic i do yeah yeah i i absolutely think it's demonic so you don't think it can ever be like an angel they're channeling or like

because uh here's the interesting thing about angels angels in the bible are always sent to protect or to cover or to be around you the demonic is always sent to infiltrate to come in to influence from the inside out right so they're not even like you know the other day respectively you know i'm a guy i would look at acts 17 and i'd be like you know the bible says that god set the bounds of our habitation.

So I wouldn't believe in ghosts.

I wouldn't believe in aliens.

I believe in demons.

I believe they're demon people, right?

They're fallen angels.

And so when I watched, you know, like that clip, I was like, wow, okay.

It is intense.

And I would not deny the reality of what happened, but I would never say it was, you know, the intergalactic captain of Mars or whatever.

I would say that was demonic.

She channeled something because the screen was going off.

1,000%.

Electricity was like.

So she wasn't making it up.

It's as real as you and I having this conversation.

It's just from another world.

And that other world has her convinced that it's that sort of orbital supernatural.

But it's just demons.

That's all it is.

Yeah, because it's hard to verify who's channeling, right?

Like, they could lie to you, I guess.

Oh, they can.

There's lying spirits.

They will lie.

They will absolutely lie, beg, borrow, cheat, steal, do anything they can.

And I've seen levitations from off the floor.

I've seen crawl the walls, but I've also seen very calm.

And just people are like, wow, I just feel this lifting, you know, a lot of times people will just weep and sob.

Crazy enough, a lot of people just vomit.

Really?

Throw up.

And so people are like, oh, is this like an exorcist movie?

No, we're not talking about Hollywood stuff.

We're talking about real deal people that need freedom,

that are longing for freedom.

And we're getting calls.

I can't do as many personal deliverances anymore.

So we have a team that does that.

I do what they call the mass deliverance.

And people hear mass, they think it's Catholic.

I mean, group.

It's masses of people.

Because we've had so many people showing up for deliverance, I can only do a bunch of people at one time.

So like when I go on the road, I do mass deliverance and then a team comes and they'll deal with people throughout the crowd, you know, throughout the audience.

And but now I've got to a place where a lot of people that are very influential, but they don't want people to know, hey, man, I'm really struggling, they'll reach out.

And so I'll do like private deliverances with some, if you will, famous people or maybe a coach of a football team that's well-known, something like that.

And they're like, hey, you know, can you work me through this?

Because I really believe what you're saying here.

My life's falling apart.

I need some help.

That's the the odds.

Yeah.

Is there specific areas of the world that you see more demons than others, or is it about even everywhere?

You know, I mean, it really is even activity, but you see maybe more raging demons in places like, you know, Cuba,

where voodoo's really big, you know, a lot of Latin American countries, but especially in Africa.

Wow.

I mean, you start getting around those witch doctors.

That's real stuff.

It's dark magic.

It is some dark magic.

Americans don't understand how dark it can be.

Damn.

But it's coming over here.

I mean, there's a lot here.

There's no doubt.

I won't minimize that.

But the interesting thing is here, and again, I'm pretty scathing about this.

In Africa, they would call them witch doctors.

In the American church, we call them prophets.

And we prop them up.

Oh, look at this prophetic voice.

I'm like, that dude's a witch doctor.

He is a fake.

And you can see there's no authenticity in it.

He's just in it for the money.

And I don't have time for that.

I've called him out.

I've been sued for calling him out.

I don't care.

Wow.

If they have prophet in their Instagram bi, I'm immediately kind of like on edge.

Like, why do you have to put it there?

Exactly.

If you're a prophet, you don't have to now.

You don't have to.

People will know because you'll be prophetic.

You know, I'm not going to tell people, oh, well, I'm a great prophet.

Are there times that I prophesy?

Are there times God gives me a word for somebody?

Absolutely.

Can it be correct and spot on?

Absolutely.

But I'm not going to say, oh, I'm prophet lock here.

That's silly.

If you'd have to have a title, then it probably doesn't fit the actual description of who you are.

Are you agreed?

What's been your toughest session?

Was there like a long battle where you just couldn't cast it out?

Especially in the early days because we really didn't understand what we were doing, right?

And so we were reading, we were still studying.

The longest standing deliverance to this day we've ever had was 18 and a half hours.

Holy crap.

And it was wild, scary, crazy.

And she's actually one of the most faithful paid staff members we have at our church now.

Wow.

Yeah.

She's our children's director, children's pastor, does a tremendous job.

It was 18 and a half hours.

And I was having to leave between that.

So my wife had to stay.

And then we had to get some rest the night.

She came back the next morning, just kept on but uh she got free but it was it was some of that crazy tear the room to shreds facial structure changing some of those wild ones wild wild ones and they're not all like that thank god but now you know once you learn your authority once you learn the verses you know once you once you get in a frame of mind that you know i'm gonna walk in this room i'm gonna take authority over this nonsense you can take 18 hours and make it an hour.

Some of them can make up a five minutes, you know, five hours, five minutes, five days.

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter because for some people, deliverance is not a one and done or an instantaneous thing.

For a lot of people, it is, but some people, it's like peeling an onion

because maybe they need deliverance, but then from there, maybe they just need some inner healing, right?

Maybe they just need to really get some soul wounds from that abuse they had, some inner healing, some deep levels of trauma.

Because not all trauma is demonic.

But the demonic will use that trauma to keep you in bondage.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, it it does.

And so you have to be able to, let's get rid of the demon.

Let's get rid of the spirit.

And then let's work on your trauma.

Let's work on your abuse.

And interestingly enough, and I know we're limited on how long we can talk about this stuff, but here's the number one thing I want you, me, everybody that's going to be watching this around the world to understand.

A lack of freedom is almost always tied to one thing, and that's unforgiveness.

The reason people don't get set free is because they're unwilling to forgive the people in their past that have hurt them.

They won't forgive forgive an ex-husband, a wife.

Many times we find it in a parental sense.

The Lord will just begin to speak to us.

We'll be doing something for an hour and it's just not working.

And I'll just feel like the Lord says, ask them to forgive their dad by name.

And I'll say, I want you to forgive your dad for walking out on you.

And they'll say his name and they'll just fall on the floor and just weep and cry.

And at that moment, the trauma's broken.

You have to forgive.

And you have to learn to forgive yourself.

Right?

Wow.

And so once you get people to a mindset of if you will forgive with your mouth and from your heart, that torment will leave because

that's the stronghold that it's holding on to.

That's the castle that it's built inside of you is unforgiveness.

And when you can get people to forgive, almost always I find that addiction is tied to bitterness, anger, childhood issues.

Because, you know, people come to us, you know, we deal with children in deliverance, but people come to us as adults.

Oh, I need deliverance.

But you know what we find out?

Well, your need for deliverance didn't start when you became an adult.

You've been needing this since you were eight years old because something happened that opened a door to the demonic and that supernatural entity has been chasing you down your whole life.

And you've been living all these years in all of this torment, and all you needed the whole time was a simple moment of deliverance.

That is great advice.

Thank you.

Absolutely.

Yeah, I need to forgive everyone that's wrong.

We got to, man.

It's hard, but we got to, including ourselves.

I know a lot of people don't forgive their parents.

Yep.

I saw it with my dad.

Yep.

Yeah, my dad was in prison the first 10 years of my life, you know, and I had to get to a place where I'm like, you know what?

I forgive him.

I forgive Steve.

You know, I forgive my parents for the divorce.

I release them.

My stepdad and I, man, all we ever did was cuss and fuss and F-bomb each other and beat the paint off the walls and hated each other.

That's why I went to a children's home, you know, amongst many things.

And finally, you know, when I came to faith in Christ, I just knew even long before deliverance, I'm going to have to forgive this man.

He doesn't understand what he's doing, right?

This is a supernatural attack on the family.

And when I just forgave my stepdad and said, Lord, I forgive Joe and I forgive myself for hating him, you know, and all this.

Man, when that bitterness left, man, joy came into me.

Wow.

Peace came into me.

And people have no idea.

Their freedom is tied up in whether they're going to forgive or not.

That's beautiful.

Have you ever done a deliverance in a prison?

You know what?

That's interesting.

You just ask.

I was just

approached by Louisiana State Prison.

And they said, you can use camera work to a degree.

So we're going to do it.

And I think the end of next month, the end of October, I'm going and I'm doing,

they have a thousand prisoners.

Wow.

But the auditorium only seats 500.

So they're going to give me 8 to 10 and 1 to 3.

And they're going to give me two two-hour sessions with 1,000 prisoners.

And they said, come in and do full-blown deliverance.

Holy crap.

I mean, that's going to be wild.

I bet there's a lot of demons in the prison.

Oh, there's no doubt.

In prison.

And a lot of unforgiveness.

And that's why a lot of those guys have committed the crimes and gone through the addictions because they had.

crazy stuff happen when they were kids, couldn't get past it.

Yeah.

And it clouded their judgment.

And there they are.

And I'm going to walk in and be like, hey, guys, bam.

That's beautiful.

Let's do this.

Well, shout out to that prison, first of all, because a lot of prisons don't do stuff like that.

Absolutely.

Whatever footage they give us, we'll use it.

But I'll make sure you get some of it.

I'll just love to see that.

It's going to be good.

But yeah, a lot of prisons don't actually rehab, right?

They just put you in there, makes it worse half the time.

Get them in for a while, send them out, and they're twice as bad when they go back out.

Yeah.

100%.

Yeah, it's a dangerous system.

I want to ask you an interesting question.

I dealt with this.

I want to see if you believe this exists, but do you believe in evil eye?

Yes, very very much so.

As far as, you know, the little amulets and the things that people wear.

Yeah, I tell, sometimes I'll be in a deliverance or sometimes I'll be doing like street evangelism or maybe somebody will come up to me in a service and I'll see it like on a bracelet or a ring or a necklace or something.

And I'll be like, I will help you, but you'll have to remove that first because I promise you that evil eye is the very thing that's holding the evil within you.

Really?

100%.

Whoa.

It's real stuff, man.

It's a lot like, you know, people get mad.

Oh, I can't believe you call out dreamcatchers.

I'm like, study the history of dreamcatchers, find out what they they really are.

There are objects that people can have on them or around them, and especially in their house, that invite witchcraft in.

Damn, are crystals one of them?

Yep.

100%.

Shit.

Now, understand, sometimes crystals can have

a beautifying reason, or, you know, you're just using an emerald or whatever for a ring or you just like it.

But to be honest, it's your show, but you ask the question, when people are using them for energy,

that's straight up demonic.

I use these because I like how they look.

There you go.

A lot of people use them for paperweights.

They like it.

You know, I mean, whatever.

I got rocks and collections in our Bible museum and stuff.

But when people are using them for, you know, channeling or for energy or for, you know, some kind of, oh, I'm getting the radiation from the sun or they give me messages.

You got to be careful because that new age hodgepod stuff, it is so real.

Wow.

It is so real.

By the way, if it wasn't real, it wouldn't be making money.

It works.

It does cost a lot of money.

It works.

Yeah, crystals sell for like hundreds these days.

Oh, hundreds, sometimes thousands.

Yeah, like the amethyst.

Oh, my gosh.

So use them for the right reason.

But if people are using them for the wrong reason, they're 100% supernaturally demonic.

Wow.

Okay, good to know, man.

I need to sit you down with a witch, and I'd love to moderate a debate.

Let's do it.

Would you do that?

I tried.

We had somebody try to moderate a debate with

the reigning head of the Church of Satan, but he wouldn't do it.

Yeah, I doubt that.

Yeah, he wouldn't do that.

I've never seen him speak up.

But I'd love to.

Yeah, you moderate that.

We'll do it.

We could be cordial.

It'd be fine.

Have you had discussions with a witch before?

Oh, yes.

Absolutely.

We've had witches come to our church.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, a lot, especially in the early days when we really first got involved in the deliverance ministry.

They were coming to our church.

I would get up to preach, and there would be like pentagrams on my pulpit where they'd walked in early that morning, and they'd be walking around praying.

They pray just like we do.

Anybody that says, oh, witches aren't real, witches laugh at such stupid statements.

Of course, witches are real.

They're real.

They know the warlocks are real.

They know these people, all this shape-shifting stuff, this stuff is real, man.

I mean, this stuff is real.

And so when I expose it, It's crazy to me that church people get more mad than the occult people.

Because the occult people have no reason to get mad because they know I'm telling the truth.

They just want me to shut up about it.

But the church people are like, oh, that's nonsense.

That's just Harry Potter wizard of the world.

And I'm like, okay, whatever.

No wonder you kids can't sleep at night.

Right?

Get that stuff out of your house, right?

You're sitting there letting them watch horror movies and

go to haunted houses all the time.

Tell me that's not opening them up to something.

Of course it is.

Yeah, it's 100% real.

You're speaking from your experience.

Same with me.

I've seen stuff.

There's a guy, you may know who he is here in town.

They call it like the most haunted place on earth.

Oh, Zach Maggins?

Yeah, like the museum that's cursed and all that well they reached out to us at one time and I wanted to do a session I said all right I'll come I'll sign your waiver I said let me come in with a camera and let me as a deliverance minister start calling out curses and demons out of your place and I'll put you out of business I said I promise you I'll make that the most least haunted place around on the strip he wasn't interested you didn't do it I was like I have no shame in my game I have nothing to be familiar with that place is very haunted yeah I know you probably don't believe in psychics, but I went there with my psychic.

Oh, no, I believe in psychics.

Oh, you do?

I just believe that there's a whole supernatural realm that we're going to have to be careful with because I believe that that is a, what the Bible calls, about 20 different times, a familiar spirit.

The reason a psychic is able to know that stuff is because they're channeling, whether they're saying it or not, they're channeling a familiar spirit.

A familiar spirit is called that because it's familiar with you.

It knows your family.

It knows your family history.

It knows your blood type.

It knows what you like, what you don't like.

You know, that's why sometimes these prophetic people don't impress me because I don't want to hear, oh, yes, you grew up in a white house with a blue picket fence and your dad drove a Volkswagen.

There were yellow flowers in the front.

I don't care about that because a spirit can tell you that, right?

I want you to prophesy and say, okay, here's what you've got going on in your life.

This is what God tells me.

You need to get right.

You need to repent.

Here's the things you need to lay down.

That's what I want to hear.

Interesting.

And so I think even in the church world, there's a lot of familiar spirits.

You know, people, for example, very controversial, people are going to hate this part, but nonetheless, they'll say, oh, yeah, I talked to my grandmother last night or I talked to my dad.

No, you didn't.

You talked to a familiar spirit that knows your dad,

that knew your grandmother, knows her voice, and is able to project that and channel that.

Wow.

And so we got to be careful about that stuff because, man, you start opening yourself up to all that.

And so, yeah, I certainly believe in psychics.

We would just see it from a different perspective.

Got it.

We'd both believe it's supernatural, but I would believe it is supernaturally dangerous.

Got it, got it.

Makes sense.

Now, what about when a deceased loved one visits you in your dream?

Do you think that's actually them or do you think that's evil?

Well, you know, a dream, I think, would be a little bit different because you're not necessarily awake.

And so your inner conscience is maybe having a memory or a wish or a desire or something like that.

But if they're telling you certain things to do and it's really changing the way that you're communicating or it's making you look more into the supernatural, I would say that's probably a familiar spirit trying to influence you.

But usually a familiar spirit would be more of, hey, I went and I sat down at a crystal ball session and my grandmother showed up, you know, or they started channeling her voice.

That's the kind of stuff you got to be careful about.

Interesting.

Yeah, this is all fascinating.

It is a fascinating subject.

And that's why, you know, I just, there's no end to it.

I can talk about it for days.

Yeah, you're very experienced, and you've done a lot.

I appreciate your time, man.

Oh, absolutely.

Thank you.

Should we close off with some Israel stuff or do you have to do it?

Yeah, whatever, man.

You're showing me that.

Because I know it's a controversial topic.

It is.

It is.

So have you always been pretty pro-Israel?

I have.

I've always been very pro-Israel, but October the 7th changed everything for me.

And it made me much more vocal and much more forceful.

And then going there, you know, like I said, we have a businessman in our church that every year he pays in advance for my wife and I have an apartment there.

So we literally are there 15, 20 weeks a year.

So I see what's happening.

And speaking of Israel and deliverance ministry, the demonic principality of anti-Semitism has been around for centuries.

I mean, you look at Pharaoh in Egypt, tried to eradicate the.

You look at Haman in Esther's Day, tried to eradicate the.

You look at Nebuchadnezzar, tried to eradicate the you look at Herod, tried to eradicate the babies.

And he was one of the people.

And so then you look at, you know, Hitler all through the centuries.

You're like, how can all these people have so much hatred for one other group of people well it's because it's demonic it's the same spirit that's driven every one of them wow every one of them thanks for sharing that history because a lot of people only know hitler yeah that's like the big one going on for almost 4 000 years of human history yeah i had no idea they've always been hated right wow for for various reasons but it's got to be something that's driving because the pattern is the exact same for nearly 4 000 years it's demonic supernatural you know wow of course any sort of racism, I think, is demonic.

No matter what color they are or what ethnic background they are, it's just demonic.

That is, it is evil.

Whether it's black and white, whether it's Gentile, it doesn't matter.

It's evil.

It's demonic.

Yeah.

So do you see that cycle ever ending, I guess?

I don't know that the cycle is ever going to end.

I hope maybe it slows down a little bit.

I hope people begin to realize.

And I've told many of the government leaders, even in Israel, look, y'all got to start winning a better PR battle.

Y'all are not doing real good in the social media realm, right?

It's really against you.

You're not winning the TikTok war.

I can promise you that.

Or Twitter.

Or Twitter, especially Twitter.

Swoop.

And they'll eviscerate you on there, right?

But, I mean, it is what it is.

And so people get mad at me over the Star of David.

You know, oh, that's satanic.

That's Masonic.

No, it's not.

They stole it.

They try to make it satanic.

Try to make it Masonic.

But I know the archaeological and the history that's behind it.

And so I just want people to know, I'm not an apologist for Israel.

I'm an apologist for the Bible.

And because of that, I cannot deny the reality that 202 times the Bible calls God the God of Israel.

He's never called the God of Iran, the God of America, you know, the God of France, the God of Africa.

He's called the God of Israel.

And so, yes, I'm very passionate.

It gets me a lot of hate, and a lot of people don't like it, but

I am for what God is for.

And yes, I understand that me and the people have a different mindset, some degree theologically.

We start at the same point and we end at the same point, but there's the Jesus aspect, right?

I get that.

I understand their messianic apprehensions.

I get it.

And they understand where I'm at, right?

I know them.

They know me.

But at the end of the day, at the end of the day, I know God still has a plan nationally for the people of Israel, for the people.

God's not coming back.

And Jesus is not coming back to the White House.

He's coming back to Jerusalem.

This little dust bowl on top of a mountain that everybody wants to fight for, right?

He's not coming back, you know, to Vegas.

He's coming back to Jerusalem.

And that, so he's not returning returning for a bunch of fake Roth child,

right, that everybody in the conspiracy world on the internet wants to talk about.

They're real people.

And here's what I want people to get.

Am I for them?

Am I for the covenant that, by the way, is with the people and with the land?

Yes.

The covenant of God is not with the government of Israel.

People think, oh, if you stand for Israel, you've got to broad stroke all the stupid things the government does.

Every government's stupid.

Even ours, right?

Every government does ridiculous things.

So I'm not broad-stroking every decision that Netanyahu's made.

He's had to come out and repent and very publicly apologize and humble himself about some very recent decisions that have been made.

But as far as this starvation and all of this genocide, I've been there.

It's not happening.

Wow.

It's just, there's more food in Gaza right now than you could fit in any warehouse on the strip right here in Vegas.

Holy crap.

Millions of pounds.

This is not an Israel issue.

This is a, again, demonic issue because the powers that be do not want Israel to look good

because God still has a plan for the nation of Israel.

And his plan is going to play out no matter how much we hate that, no matter how much people push back, no matter how many wars, Israel is forever.

It's what the Bible teaches.

And so people are like, well, I don't want to talk about the Bible.

And I said, well, wait a minute.

The Bible is who I am.

That's the DNA structure, right?

You may come at it from a different vantage point, but I've always got to come back to the foundation of, well, as a believer, not just a preacher, this is what the Bible says.

And what kind of believer would I be if I didn't believe what the Bible says?

Because the only parts of the Bible I really believe are the parts of the Bible I really behave.

I get tired of these Christians.

Well, I believe the Bible.

I believe the Bible.

I'm like, well, I sure wish you would live like it.

Quit being such a hypocrite.

Quit being such a poor representation of what a Christian is.

If you believe it, then behave it.

Because your doctrine determines your duty.

Your belief determines your behavior.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, it does.

Yeah, war has changed a lot since you and I were kids.

I feel like now it's information war.

It is.

100% information war.

You can win the war with a camera in your hand.

Yep.

100%.

And it's what's happening.

That's what's happening.

Every war in the future is going to be primarily information first, I think.

And now with AI, you can make people think and say and do whatever you want.

Yeah.

It doesn't make any difference.

Yeah, you can't discern a real video these days.

And that's why we have to have discernment.

And that's why, again, to bring it back, the devil in the book of Ephesians is called the prince of the power of the air.

Why?

Because he has control over the airwaves.

He knows what he's doing, and he's good at it.

Devil's been in social media for a long time.

A long time.

Well, Greg, thanks for your time, man.

Where can people support you, find you, and your show?

If they go to globalvisionbc.com, they can learn about the church.

If they go to lock media, lock with the e, lockmedia.org, they can see sermons there, but also see all the books, the movie come out in Jesus' name, and know about our podcast and our show, Red Sky News.

I love it.

Check him out, guys.

And next time you see him, hopefully he'll be debating someone on my show.

Yes, sir.

I'm going to do it.

All right, peace.

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