Harry Sisson: Charlie Kirk’s Breaking Point with Trump. What He Won’t Say on Stage | DSH #1591

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Speaker 6 War has only, in my view, gotten worse under Donald Trump. I mean, there's no end in sight in the Middle East.
He said he'd end Ukraine in 24 hours. We're now on like, what, day 175 of his presidency.

Speaker 6 There is no conclusion. And he's still obviously doing everything he did in the Middle East from beforehand, drone strikes and whatnot.

Speaker 6 So, I think he's back down on virtually every major promise he made. Look at his approval ratings, they're like in the 30s.

Speaker 6 And I just, you know, it's funny to sit here because during Biden's presidency, look at Biden's poll numbers. Now, we're in the same situation with Trump.

Speaker 6 He's in low 40s, high 30s in terms of approval rating. You know, MAGA's turning on him with the whole Epstein thing.
They're kind of more unified now, I think, than the beginning.

Speaker 6 But nonetheless, he's lost a lot of support, a lot of respect. I think it's politics, isn't meant to be fun, but I think it's the most fun, most entertaining part of politics for me.

Speaker 5 Okay, guys, got him back on the show. Audience favorite.

Speaker 6 Audience favorite, huh?

Speaker 5 Yeah, you got some interesting comments on the last one.

Speaker 6 Were they positive or negative?

Speaker 5 I mean, my audience is mainly conservative. So

Speaker 5 you can make the assumption on that. I can imagine.

Speaker 5 But no, I love how you stand your ground.

Speaker 6 I respect that. I appreciate it.
Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, obviously I'm very opinionated online. And,

Speaker 6 you know, if a conservative wants to debate, I'm happy to do that, but I'm not going to be like, oh, you know, you're right or shy away. You know, I got to stand your ground on these things.

Speaker 6 And I think they're important issues that we talk about.

Speaker 5 I mean, you're debating, what, six hours a day on average?

Speaker 6 It's crazy. Sometimes, sometimes.
I mean, I've like, I think since the election, I've reduced my debate time pretty substantially over a month-long period.

Speaker 6 But I still love debating. I still love getting into it.
I think it's, you know, politics isn't meant to be fun, but I think it's the most fun, most entertaining part of politics for me. Yeah.

Speaker 6 So, I don't know, but it's fun. It's all right.

Speaker 5 I feel like there's a momentum shift towards the left right now with how Trump's been doing. I'm going to be honest.
Like, I'm on the right. You know that, but I think he's losing some people.

Speaker 6 Oh, hundred, dude, look at his approval ratings. They're like in the 30s.

Speaker 6 And I just, you know, it's funny to sit here because during Biden's presidency, I'm sure you, you know, paid attention to the polls and you saw that Biden's approval rating wasn't great.

Speaker 6 Yeah. And Republicans would say, well, look at Biden's, you know, poll numbers.
And now we're in the same situation with Trump. He's in low 40s, high 30s in terms of approval rating.

Speaker 6 You know, MAGA's turning on him with the whole Epstein thing. They're kind of more unified now, I think, than the beginning.
But nonetheless, he's lost a lot of support, a lot of respect.

Speaker 6 I mean, even from folks like yourself, you know, who lean, more conservative.

Speaker 6 So, and he's kind of doing it to himself. It's not, I would argue that a lot of the people, a lot of the things that

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Speaker 6 Heard Biden's presidency were out of his control.

Speaker 6 The president can't control that stuff. Whereas Donald Trump, he could release the Epstein files right now.

Speaker 5 You think they even exist, honestly?

Speaker 6 Yeah, 100%. I think, I mean, we got reports that the FBI combed through over 100,000 documents related to Epstein.

Speaker 6 They specifically redacted Donald Trump's name, were instructed to redact redact Donald Trump's name.

Speaker 6 And I know there's some great independent journalists right now who are working to get the instruction videos on how to redact Trump's name.

Speaker 6 Like the DOJ, the FBI, they sent it out to all the agents who were going through these documents. It's like instruction video.
And so we're trying to get that.

Speaker 6 But yeah, I think the documents exist, and I think he's implicated in some way.

Speaker 5 You saw they subpoenaed the, was it the Clintons last week? Yeah. What was that about? Was that for the Epstein stuff?

Speaker 6 Yeah, it's Epstein stuff.

Speaker 6 It's just political theater. I think the Republicans are doing that to try to shift the focus from Trump to Democrats to make it seem as if Bill Clinton was better friends with Epstein.

Speaker 6 The entire Democratic Party position on this is that if Bill Clinton did something bad with Epstein, like arrest, like, I don't care, hold him accountable, right?

Speaker 6 And that applies to Republicans as well, of course. The Republicans have a different perspective.
They want to blame the Democrats for this and not hold Trump accountable. I just think we have to have

Speaker 6 equal rule of law. For some reason, they're not on the same page.
I don't know.

Speaker 5 Where would you rank Trump's current term A through F right now? First 150-ish days.

Speaker 6 Can I go Z?

Speaker 6 I mean, it's awful. It's awful.
I don't think there's been

Speaker 6 in terms of major, and I'm sure Trump has done some individual good things. I think there was a deep fake AI explicit video bill where,

Speaker 6 you know, if somebody,

Speaker 6 if like a celebrity or anybody for that matter, they find themselves on an adult website and they're being deep faked, then they can request the website to take it down.

Speaker 6 They have to do so within, I believe, 48 to 42 to 78 hours, whatever it might be. And I think that's good.
Like that's great.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's an issue for someone like you, I bet, too.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think it's an issue for anybody kind of making content. So I'm okay with that, but anything major, like in terms of policy or even foreign policy, I think has been disastrous.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he's going to meet with Putin this week.

Speaker 6 Dude, he's going to get dogwalked.

Speaker 6 Donald Trump, throughout... His entire career in politics has been manipulated by our adversaries to do what they want.

Speaker 6 I mean, it reminds me back in 2017 in the Oval Office, Donald Trump shared classified classified information with Russian officials.

Speaker 6 This was reported on by the Washington Post and that 2018, I think it was 2018 or maybe 2019 meeting he had in Helsinki where he sided with Putin over American intelligence regarding their interference in the election.

Speaker 6 And there were Republican senators who were baffled by that because like, why is an American siding with Putin? And just throughout, I can give you so many other examples.

Speaker 6 But, you know, Putin was in the KGB. He's known as a master manipulator.
And Donald Trump is going into that meeting either alone or with people who have no foreign policy experience.

Speaker 6 So I'm not hopeful for that meeting with Putin on Friday.

Speaker 5 What did you think of Tulsi exposing Russia Gate, I guess, saying that Obama planned that and that Trump actually wasn't talking with Russia? Did you see that?

Speaker 6 Oh, I did see that. Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 6 it's all a distraction from the Epstein files.

Speaker 6 The awful thing about what Tulsi Gabbard has done is she's just completely

Speaker 6 She's framed the story incorrectly. She's misrepresented, straw manned the democratic position, which is

Speaker 6 the claim has never been that Donald Trump spoke with Putin on the phone and was like, hey, I need you to switch ballots or anything like that.

Speaker 6 The claim was and still is via the intelligence community, the FBI, the DOJ, a bipartisan group of senators, which, by the way, Marco Rubio, his current Secretary of State, was on.

Speaker 6 They conducted this investigation.

Speaker 6 They all came to the conclusion that Russia interfered in the election via social media, via hacking the DNC and releasing emails connected to Clinton, via even faking emails, making it seem that Hillary Clinton approved a plan to tie Trump to Putin.

Speaker 6 It just came out that those emails were fake and everybody thought they were real. Yeah.

Speaker 6 So, no, it's just they, it's so obvious that that story, that misframing of what the intelligence community has been claiming is to distract away from the Epstein files.

Speaker 6 And I would argue that it really badly failed. I think people are still focused on Epstein.

Speaker 5 I'll be honest, if they don't release some sort of info on that, I don't think they'll win 28.

Speaker 5 I think it's that bad, dude. Really? People on the right really care.

Speaker 6 I mean, you talk to people, I think, on the right in the content creation space, certainly more than I do. Is that the vibe that you're getting?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I'd say half of them are pissed, dude.

Speaker 6 Wow.

Speaker 5 Like, they're like really, because I was just at Charlie Kirk's event and I interviewed 30 people. I would say about half of them are really upset that they're not being released.

Speaker 6 Are these content creators or just like content creators?

Speaker 5 Wow.

Speaker 6 15 of them are angry. Yeah, dude.
I think, and you're seeing it in the numbers as well. I think his approval rating has taken a big hit.
Not from the Democrat. I mean, the Democrats still hate him.

Speaker 6 Yeah. But the Republicans are...
you know, I think rightly questioning why this guy is being so cagey about this. Why is he not being transparent whatsoever about these documents? What is he hiding?

Speaker 6 Why they redact his name? It's just like a lot of questions. And I'd say before this whole thing with Epstein, I was never even big on this story.
I was just, you know, okay, the guy did awful things.

Speaker 6 He killed himself. Ghillaine Maxwell's in prison.
I mean, if there were more to this story, I think the DOJ or the FBI would have told us.

Speaker 6 But now with the way that Donald Trump is handling this and the way that more documents have become accessible because Ghelane Maxwell's trial has finished,

Speaker 6 it's just, it's really weird. And I think you don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to, you know, be there at that position.

Speaker 5 And that's the infuriating part with people is because he spoke a big game beforehand. He's like, I'm going to release this.
I'm going to stop all these wars.

Speaker 5 And I think if he didn't say any of that, he could have done whatever.

Speaker 6 Yeah. I mean, I think if he didn't say any of that, he could just not focus on the Epstein story whatsoever.
There'd be like a small faction on the internet asking him to do it.

Speaker 6 But for the most part, it wouldn't be mainstream political discourse. He himself put that out there.
He was the one that in Fox News interviews said, oh, yeah, totally.

Speaker 6 I'm going to declassify everything. I want you guys to see everything.

Speaker 6 And then completely flips. And you're right on the wars.

Speaker 6 War has only, in my view, gotten worse under Donald Trump. I mean, there's no end in sight in the Middle East.
He said he'd end Ukraine in 24 hours.

Speaker 6 We're now on, like, what, day 175 of his presidency. There is no conclusion.

Speaker 6 And he's still obviously doing everything he did in the Middle East from beforehand, drone strikes and whatnot. So

Speaker 6 I think he's backed down on virtually every major promise he made.

Speaker 5 It's pretty nuts. And he's meanwhile, he's battling Newsome on Twitter.

Speaker 6 Dude, I love Gavin Newsome. I know that's like a hot take.
I think a lot of conservatives, right-leaning people don't, but I love the way that Newsom's just giving him the same energy back.

Speaker 6 Have you seen on the past couple of days, he's like tweeting like Trump now?

Speaker 5 Yeah, he follows something, right?

Speaker 6 Yeah, it's so funny, dude. No, but

Speaker 6 I think Gavin Newsom, with everything he's doing to combat Trump, is, I would argue, one of the frontrunners for Democrats.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I've never seen someone stand up the way he has. I'll say that.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, I think there are very few Democrats doing what he's doing, which is surprising and disappointing.

Speaker 6 You would think that a lot of Democrats would view this moment as a time to really stand up and like even if you want to do it from a

Speaker 6 personal brand standpoint, you know, increase your political capital. But a lot of them aren't doing it, or at least they're not doing it in a way that's resonating with people.
And they're scared.

Speaker 6 They're scared of it.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think a lot of people are scared.

Speaker 6 I think a lot of people are scared, which is kind of terrifying, you know, in America, whether you're a Democrat or Republican, you shouldn't be nervous to stand up to the president of the United States.

Speaker 6 And I think, you know, people who watch your show, you and whatnot, probably disagree disagree with Biden, but I don't think that anybody was nervous about criticizing Biden during his presidency, you know?

Speaker 5 I'll say on the vaccine stuff. Yes.

Speaker 5 And the, what was the other thing?

Speaker 5 Was it J6 you couldn't talk about without getting banned or something?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, maybe that, but that's a social media platform.

Speaker 6 I don't think that there was nothing the Biden administration did to combat or attack people for criticizing vaccines or talking about January 6th. This was like a platform thing.

Speaker 6 I don't, I'm also not super familiar with platform things.

Speaker 5 I think there was a leak that they called Facebook or something and said start censoring certain posts. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 that's something that the government actually does quite often.

Speaker 6 It's not like a demand. It's more of a request.

Speaker 6 So even during the Trump administration, the first time, they reached out to social media companies a number of times and said, hey, this X, Y, and piece of information about COVID or whatever it might be, we believe is harmful, just putting it on your radar.

Speaker 6 Okay, okay. And Facebook or whatever platform it is, they can delete it if they want, but there's no pressure from the government.
The government can't force them to do that.

Speaker 5 Interesting. So it's more like a guidance.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, and I, and I, I, I don't personally, I know, I think it's perfectly fine to disagree with me, but I don't have a problem with that.

Speaker 6 You know, if, if, you know, this board of experts at the CDC or whatever it is and saying, hey, this misinformation is really hampering our effort to save lives, I have no problem with the government reaching out and saying, hey, Facebook, Instagram, we just want to let you know that we have intel or we've gathered something that indicates that a lot of this misinformation is coming from your platform.

Speaker 6 I have no problem with them saying, do you want to, like, I don't know, tackle this

Speaker 6 in some way? But I know some people do. They think it's government overreach, and I think it's fair to disagree on that.

Speaker 5 So you don't think it's overreach if they're like kind of guiding them, but if they actually do it themselves, then I would consider that overreach.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, I don't have any problem with guidance.

Speaker 6 I understand that, you know, especially as digital and the digital space grows, there's this like very fine line between

Speaker 6 what's the public sphere and what's not. And so as social media grows, I think it's becoming more of like the town square.

Speaker 6 So I understand that there's there's like the very fine line, but I just can't help but think how much misinformation killed people during COVID.

Speaker 6 For example, that people believe that the vaccine was going to kill them or the vaccine is going to give them a terrible side effect. They're going to grow a third arm or something like that.

Speaker 6 You know, I just, it hurts me as an American, somebody that cares about people to think that so many people could have been saved if they, I don't know, didn't listen to their crazy uncle on Facebook.

Speaker 5 Speaking of vaccines, you saw what RFK just did.

Speaker 6 Yeah, the canceling of the contracts for MRNA.

Speaker 5 Half a billion-dollar contract.

Speaker 6 That

Speaker 6 really, like, really infuriated me. Really? Yeah, because mRNA vaccines are like the next major medical breakthrough.

Speaker 6 I mean, they're already a tremendous medical breakthrough, but they can do so much. And it's such a fascinating thing when you dig into it.

Speaker 6 mRNA vaccines essentially make your body the factory to fight viruses.

Speaker 6 And so just a remarkable development in medicine and a lot of scientists were hoping to use the mRNA technology to tackle things like pancreatic cancer, melanoma, lung cancer, a lot of and there's a lot of promising research and then just like that, that research is halted at least for now and maybe done forever depending on what happens in the future, what happens in 2028.

Speaker 6 So I don't know, like there

Speaker 6 I I just hope that MAGA understands that they get sick too. You know, they're not immortal.

Speaker 6 And so if they or a loved one gets pancreatic cancer, I'm sure that they would want the next best thing in medicine. And now, you know, our developments there have been, have been damaged.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I'd love to see that press conference and see where he was coming from and why he canceled it.

Speaker 6 You know,

Speaker 6 isn't it fucking funny that R.F. K.
Jr. is the guy lecturing us on health? I mean, the dude is the weirdest guy, I think,

Speaker 6 in politics right now. I mean, the stories about him planting a bear carcass in Central Park, cutting off a whale head and bringing it in his car back home.

Speaker 6 I mean, this, and might I add, when he was asked about allegations against himself, sexual assault allegations, he said, I'm no church boy.

Speaker 6 Like, that's a crazy way to respond to some allegations.

Speaker 5 That is an interesting response.

Speaker 6 I would recommend people look it up.

Speaker 6 But point is, is that this guy who has no health degree is trying to say that mRNA vaccines are not

Speaker 6 effective. And we have to go back to the technology for vaccines we've been using for the past 100 years.
Medicine should move forward. We shouldn't be moving

Speaker 6 backward. And unfortunately, with the canceling of the the mRNA contracts, the canceling of cancer funding research, children's cancer funding research as well has been cut.

Speaker 6 It's like any American, I think, would be against that.

Speaker 5 He did, didn't he get food dyes banned or something, at least?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, they're tackling a number of different food dyes. And if you want to do that, great.

Speaker 6 I don't think that the health problems in the United States are caused by food dyes. A lot of these food dyes exist in Europe just under different names.

Speaker 6 I think one of the big ones people talk about is Red Dye 40. Right, right.
It's just in a a different name under Europe in Europe, and they still use it in a lot of their food. Yeah.
Oh, wow.

Speaker 6 So I don't think that's the source of people's problems. I think I totally love the idea of more exercise and eating clean and eating whole foods for people and focusing on their health, but

Speaker 6 taking the dye out of Cheetos is not going to solve America's health problems. So it's like, whatever.
If you want to do it, great.

Speaker 6 But I'm more interested in the research surrounding cancer and stuff like that.

Speaker 5 Yeah, they're trying to get Coca-Cola to use cane sugar, I think.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it's like,

Speaker 6 what are we, like, you know, that's just, it's so,

Speaker 6 it's so ridiculous. It's, it's such a small thing to focus on when there are so many bigger issues in health.

Speaker 6 AIDS is still impacting Africa more than ever, especially because USAID has been cut. Cancer is the number one killer in the United States when it comes to diseases.

Speaker 6 There's just so many, and there's so many amazing developments in science, so many cures that we can come up with for a lot of these things that we thought we'd never cure.

Speaker 5 And now, like, what, RFK's is focused on food dies it's just drives me nuts man the stats on cancer are super concerning yeah and i know people in their 20s getting it now

Speaker 6 dude it's um it's heartbreaking um one of the main cancers that is going up especially for young people is colorectal and they believe it's there's no real They don't have a specific reason as to why it's going up in young people.

Speaker 6 They think it's because of diets or being exposed to certain chemicals in the air and the water.

Speaker 6 Not necessarily like for the general public, but if you live near like like an oil rig, for example, you're more likely to get cancer. But it's super concerning.

Speaker 6 But there's, and it's very dull talking about the increased cancer rates, but I've actually researched this for some reason recently. There's really amazing developments aside from mRNA.

Speaker 6 They're looking at AI, for example, that can look at

Speaker 6 not MRI, mRNA vaccines. Aside from that, they're using AI to look at MRI scans.

Speaker 6 And to the human eye, it can be really difficult to see a tumor that's forming because because the images are just not that clear.

Speaker 6 Whereas they're using AI now to identify these things, and it has a higher rate of identification than humans. That's awesome.
So you can catch it way earlier.

Speaker 6 And a lot of the worst cancers, like pancreatic, colon, things like that, are only caught in stage three or stage four.

Speaker 6 Now we're looking with AI, we can do it in like stage one. And then if you do it in stage one, you're on a you have like a 97% five-year survival rate.

Speaker 6 They're also looking at 3D printing, 3D printing organs. Really? Yeah.
So if you have a cancer-infected organ, they're looking at, it's only on a very small scale right now.

Speaker 6 I think they've done ears in people, but, and it obviously takes a lot of work because of organ rejection is still very much a thing in the United States, but,

Speaker 6 and it's always going to be, but they're looking at like 3D printing organs, livers, lungs, to, you know, if you have one that's affected by cancer, you can get a transplant.

Speaker 6 That's still like 30 years down the line, but cool nonetheless, you know? How do you feel about just overall the healthcare system as is today? I think it sucks.

Speaker 6 So we agree on that. Yeah, Yeah, I think it's trash.

Speaker 6 The rate of uninsured in the United States, the rate of people who are underinsured, which is different than uninsured, of course, is brutal. And it makes me,

Speaker 6 you know,

Speaker 6 I think so often about the families who a loved one gets cancer, horrible disease that we're talking about, and they're sitting at the hospital bed of their loved one and they're thinking, their first thought is, how can I make sure my loved one gets better?

Speaker 6 Their first thought is, can I even pay for this? Can I afford for them to get better? And I think in the wealthiest country in the world, that's a travesty.

Speaker 6 If you get cancer, you shouldn't be going bankrupt. You shouldn't be going poor.
You shouldn't be going hungry.

Speaker 6 You should be able to get that treatment.

Speaker 6 And it just,

Speaker 6 it's one of the most, I think, depressing parts of politics right now that gets some conversation, but not enough.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Well, Trump cut a lot of Medicaid, right?

Speaker 6 Yeah, he cut a lot of Medicaid, a lot of Medicare, cut food stamps.

Speaker 6 And so so there are estimates, depending on the program, but broadly, that around 16 million people, because of his big, beautiful bill, he calls it, are going to lose their health care. Wow.

Speaker 6 16 million. I mean, you know, these and the people on Medicaid and Medicare, these are...
hard-working folks. You know, these are low-income Americans.
They're not making millions.

Speaker 6 They're not making billions like Trump's buddies. These are hard-working folks who are working blue-collar jobs.
They might be out of work because of their sickness, whatever it might be.

Speaker 6 And because of Trump, because he wants to give some tax cuts to his wealthy friends, he says, well, fuck you. You don't get health care.
You don't get the care that you previously needed.

Speaker 6 These programs have saved lives, you know,

Speaker 6 and Trump just like that, 16 million people gone. It's so sad.

Speaker 5 Something needs to change because even myself, and you know, we're pretty wealthy, like, I don't even want to get an ambulance. It's like $5,000.

Speaker 6 I can't tell you how many stories I've heard of people my age who

Speaker 6 You know get into an accident or have like a stupid drunk fight or something like that and they specifically even in their drunk state say no ambulance because it's going to cost like 10 grand.

Speaker 5 Even while they're drunk.

Speaker 6 Even when they're drunk, they know they're locked in.

Speaker 5 That's nuts, dude. Yeah.
So

Speaker 6 that's the state where we're at.

Speaker 5 What do you think a good alternative would be?

Speaker 6 I mean,

Speaker 6 I'm not like in line with Bernie Sanders. I think Bernie is really passionate.
It has some decent ideas that we can work on.

Speaker 6 But when it comes to healthcare, I'm not like a Medicare for all guy. I wouldn't be opposed to a system like that in the future if we can get there.
I like Pete Budigej's plan from 2020.

Speaker 6 He said his plan was a Medicare for all who want it, which is you can keep your private insurance if you want to pay for your. That's perfectly fine, no problem.

Speaker 6 But there should be a government option that anybody can sign up for, regardless of your wealth.

Speaker 6 And if you want to put like a wealth cap so like a millionaire can't sign up for it, that's perfectly fine. I have no problem with that.

Speaker 6 But I think there should 100% be a program of which, regardless of income status, regardless of where you are, regardless of who you are, can sign up for.

Speaker 6 And if you get into an accident, you have a terrible disease, you can go to the hospital, not worry.

Speaker 5 Respect. You tweeted out Trump doesn't care about stopping crime.

Speaker 6 No, he doesn't.

Speaker 6 Fuck no. This guy, I mean, first of all, he's a convicted felon.

Speaker 6 Trump himself, I mean, it's so funny. Republicans tell us that he cares about stopping crime when he himself is a convicted felon.

Speaker 6 But nonetheless, no, he doesn't stop about, he doesn't care about stopping crime. He's firing FBI agents.
He's firing attorneys in the Department of Justice.

Speaker 6 He's proposing $500 million in cuts to the FBI. They just had a meeting at the White House about firing all these different FBI agents.
And he pardoned all the January 6th rioters, insurrectionists.

Speaker 6 It's like that is the opposite of fighting crime. That's putting more criminals back on the street who many of them have re-offended.

Speaker 6 A lot of them have been shot by police for reoffending. A lot of them have been caught in certain crimes,

Speaker 6 pretty horrible crimes.

Speaker 6 So, you know,

Speaker 6 I would argue that Trump is pro-crime.

Speaker 5 I know near the end of Biden's term, he was getting a lot of heat for the crime stats. I'd be curious if Trump's stats were close to his.
Like, do you know off the top of your head?

Speaker 5 In terms of pardons or. The crime stats, like number of arrests and violent crimes.
Oh, I see.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 6 if you look at the trend, I honestly think that for the most part, crime taking place in the country is not really the president. The president doesn't really control that.

Speaker 6 You don't think they have a lot of control over that? No, I mean, you know, they can't really reach into, like, New York City, where we are, for example, right now, and stop crime.

Speaker 6 They would have to pass policy through Congress that changed the way policing took place in the US. Makes sense.

Speaker 6 But if you look at Biden's term, term uh crime spiked in 2020 because of covet and things like that and i still wouldn't really blame that on donald trump i mean at least the crime going up covet is a different conversation yeah um but then after that in 2021 they were still relatively high but they were coming down and then 2022 went down 23 24 it all just kind of decreased gradually because of that spike but uh i mean i don't know if a conservative has a problem with the crime stats under biden i would love to hear their perspective on that because i don't i don't know where they're coming from well i hear the argument in major cities i don't know about new york city but i've heard in lay like you can't walk around with a watch at certain hours of the day.

Speaker 5 Have you heard?

Speaker 6 Interesting.

Speaker 5 I mean, on Melrose.

Speaker 6 I mean, I'm not super familiar with L.A. I've been there, like, twice, so I don't can't really speak to the...

Speaker 5 Do you walk in the streets of New York late night? Yeah. And no problem? Yeah.

Speaker 6 I mean, I think that every city has its places. Right.
You know, like, I'm sure if you walked in L.A. on, I forget the main road.
Melrose? Is it Melrose with all the stores? Yeah. I don't know.

Speaker 6 I'm sure if there's like some streets in L.A. that you can walk on in the middle of the night, and you'd be fine, right? You could probably walk around the hills and be fine.

Speaker 6 Just like in New York City, you can walk around Soho for the most part part in the middle of the night I wouldn't recommend it

Speaker 6 people do that but you'd probably be fine

Speaker 6 but I also don't think that's I don't think I don't really think that's like a political thing I think cities are hard to run and even if you put a Republican in here it wouldn't necessarily mean that oh crime's gonna come down and I think that there can be

Speaker 6 unintended consequences when you really try to clamp down on crime. We saw it in the 1990s, early 2000s, where we had this national movement

Speaker 6 of clamping down on crime. And then a lot of black Americans got incarcerated.
And they were incarcerated on dumb shit for 20 years, like marijuana position.

Speaker 5 Was that the war on drugs?

Speaker 6 Yeah, well, I mean, it was kind of around that era, kind of continuation of the war on drugs.

Speaker 6 And yeah, like I, you know, I think we just have to be,

Speaker 6 it's frustrating when somebody I disagree with says that there's a one-stop solution to law enforcement, which it's just not. It's a complex, multifaceted issue, which requires obviously

Speaker 6 tough laws, you know, prosecuting people who break them, but also an understanding that life is complicated. Yeah.

Speaker 6 And somebody who shoplifts like a can of soup because their family is hungry, like, should they really go to prison or should maybe there be another solution there, you know?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I guess each city has their own challenges, right?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think the challenges in New York City are vastly different than that of LA, for example.

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Speaker 5 You on this Mom Danny wave?

Speaker 6 I have a lot of disagreements

Speaker 6 with Mom Dani. Yeah, I do.
I mean,

Speaker 6 I would classify myself as a liberal, as

Speaker 6 a Democrat. You know, there are some farther left people out there who wouldn't even identify as Democrats.
And those are the folks who kind of align with Mom Dani.

Speaker 6 I think he's incredibly charismatic. He has revolutionized the way to campaign.

Speaker 6 Facts. Can't deny that.
100%. And I commend him very much so.
And when it comes to the primary and or not the primary, the election in November, I'm going to vote for him. Really?

Speaker 6 He's a Democratic nominee. I think the party should unite around him.
If he won, he won. The people spoke in New York City.
So I'm going to vote for him. But I disagree.

Speaker 6 I think some of his proposals lack a solid foundation, which is one of the proposals he has, I think it's surrounding his grocery store policy or just policies generally, how to raise funds.

Speaker 6 He wants to change a tax that applies to the entire state of New York, not the the city of New York, which obviously he can't do as mayor.

Speaker 6 And he's like, I'm going to work with the governor of New York to get that done. It's like, I just think reaching, you know,

Speaker 6 like reaching above your weight as mayor and saying that one of my key proposals is backed by the power of somebody else. I don't know if that's necessarily a winning policy, but.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I haven't heard of anyone trying to do that as a mayor.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 It's an interest. I'm like, I don't mind unique approaches.
And if he can get it done, then good for him.

Speaker 5 But I just disagree with some things here you know what's his biggest i guess disagreement you have with with him

Speaker 6 um

Speaker 6 i i think it has to be the grocery store thing

Speaker 6 the the the estate the city-funded grocery stores in each five borough yeah um like i really love the idea i love like

Speaker 6 i love snap which is the the food the food stamps for people who are hungry i love that as a federal program i don't know if city-funded grocery stores are the solution there.

Speaker 6 I think that can lead to unintended consequences, a lot of problems of their own. Whereas a more,

Speaker 6 in my view, a more comprehensive approach might be food stamps through the federal government or a different program for the city specific that there already exists, but maybe expanding those programs, funding them better than we are right now.

Speaker 6 I don't know. It just seems a little weird to me.

Speaker 5 So how would that story even operate? You just walk in and you have a budget?

Speaker 6 I don't think he's been, and look, I don't follow New York City politics as much as I do national. So maybe he's been more clear on this than I've seen.
So, you know, I could just be totally off.

Speaker 6 But I don't think he's ever really, from my understanding, gone into depth about how it would actually work. He's talked about how it's funded

Speaker 6 and how you know where they would open it in the different boroughs. But I've never really seen him say, like, okay, you know, you go in, you take a few things and you leave and you don't have to pay.

Speaker 6 Right. And how do you stop people from like abusing that system? I don't know.

Speaker 5 And that's where I feel like there's a lot of distrust in politics.

Speaker 5 A lot of people talk this big game, big ideas, and then very few of them, I can't even think of anyone that delivers on most of their ideas.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, it's it's tough. And I think that can be both the fault of the politician, but also not their fault.

Speaker 6 You know, if this applies to Trump and Biden, if they promise something, they do have to work with Congress to get it done. And Congress is a tough body to negotiate with.

Speaker 6 But yeah, I mean, there are a lot of politicians who break their promises. We were just talking about Trump, you know, with all these

Speaker 6 promises that he could address, like the Epstein files. He could do that right now.
He's just choosing not to.

Speaker 6 And I think for a lot of people, a lot of young voters, especially, young men who just turned 18 and voted for Donald Trump, this is a little bit of a wake-up moment that, you know, Trump and politics isn't as

Speaker 6 black and white as people make it seem. And politicians you might trust like Trump, like they did, are going to let them down pretty consistently.

Speaker 5 You mentioned Congress. How do you feel about them operating with all this donor money? You know what I mean? Do you feel like they're operating in good nature for the most part?

Speaker 6 No.

Speaker 6 So we agree on Nazi. Yeah, no, 100%.
No, I mean,

Speaker 6 there are so many different outside groups who have the ear of politicians. And I think there are great politicians out there who aren't subjected or don't have to think about outside groups.

Speaker 6 And there are like a lot of progressive Democrats who don't take any PAC money. And I think that's great.

Speaker 6 But there are a lot of Republicans, especially who get PACs from MAGA groups or

Speaker 6 AIPAC or a lot of these different lobbying groups who absolutely influence their vote, absolutely influence what they say publicly.

Speaker 6 And I don't, you know, I'm more interested in politics than the average person. I'd say you are too.

Speaker 6 So there are some more, there's some intricacies to Congress that we understand, but for your average person who doesn't really care about politics, they're focused on their family, their job, how do you trust Congress?

Speaker 6 How do you look at them positively if

Speaker 6 you see these outside groups basically having identical messaging to them?

Speaker 6 How do you trust that?

Speaker 5 Do you think the fix would be to stop PAC money?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, I think

Speaker 6 Citizens United, that Supreme Court case that uh essentially claimed that businesses have free speech you know they they're like they're entities so they have free speech meaning that they can just pour as much money as they want into politics that was probably one of the worst decisions in supreme court history i think if that got overturned that'd solve a lot of the problems um but also you know just taking these these the big money groups if put it this way if i could have a world where we have them or don't have them and that's having them is obviously a benefit for democrats too i would choose not having them really yeah yeah i'm not a fan of them man no i mean and you're seeing a lot of objection now, especially with AIPAC.

Speaker 6 A lot of people. A lot.

Speaker 6 And that's a bipartisan issue. Both Democrats and Republicans are furious with groups like AIPAC.

Speaker 6 And they want their politicians, their reps, their senators to stop taking money. And a lot of them are not.
They're not listening to their constituents.

Speaker 5 I thought Ted Cruz got demolished by Tucker.

Speaker 6 You know,

Speaker 6 I hate Tucker. I hate both of them.
Oh, you do? I hate both of them. Why do you hate Tucker?

Speaker 6 Because

Speaker 6 he's a pretty huge conspiracy theorist, and he's pushed some

Speaker 6 white replacement theory

Speaker 6 talking points on his show, basically alleging that immigrants are replacing white people. And I think that's just the stupidest shit I've ever heard.
But yeah, I agree.

Speaker 6 Tucker, and it pains me to say because I hate Tucker, but he viscerated Ted Cruz. I mean, that was...
That was rough. That was brutal.

Speaker 6 I think Ted Cruz went in thinking that it would be kind of like a puff piece. Softball.
Yeah, right. And then Tucker just hit him with that, and he had no response.

Speaker 6 And you're seeing a lot of politicians, both left and right, getting confronted on this stuff, and they don't really, they don't really have an answer.

Speaker 5 There's a major fight right now. I don't know how much you use Twitter, but Candace and Nick Fuentes, they've been going at it.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, I've seen that a little bit. I know that

Speaker 6 Nick and Tucker were going at it for a little bit.

Speaker 6 Can you explain what's going on with Candice?

Speaker 5 So, yeah, Nick and Tucker, I think, were going at it first, and then Nick went on Candace, and she confronted him. What did she ask him that got him pissed?

Speaker 6 Oh,

Speaker 5 she just confronted his past, I guess, like, and wasn't focused on on any current events, which Nick thought the show would be about the war and stuff. So

Speaker 5 he saw it as like a gotcha interview. Okay.
And then they started beefing. Now it's gotten to the point where Nick won't even talk to Candace unless she sets up a debate with Nick and Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 6 So he wants a 2v2? No. Or no, he wants to debate Charlie Kirk.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Nick's been wanting to debate Charlie for years, and Charlie won't do it.

Speaker 6 Why won't he do it?

Speaker 5 Just doesn't want to platform him. He's too controversial.
Okay.

Speaker 6 But Charlie Kirk is, he doesn't think he's controversial.

Speaker 6 You've debated Charlie, right? No, I've actually never debated Charlie. No, I know people who have, but I've never debated Charlie Kirk.
I would love to.

Speaker 6 I'd love to see that. I think that dude is such a loser.
And I'm going to, I just completely honest, I think he's such a loser. I think his political views suck.

Speaker 6 His debating strategy is so disingenuous. I forget who it was, but somebody was breaking this down on social media that essentially Charlie Kirk has like one line of arguing, and he's perfected it.

Speaker 6 So if you bring up a topic, he'll go down this line of arguing. And he's not doing that with the intention of having a productive dialogue that maybe he can change his mind.
Right.

Speaker 6 Or you can change your mind, or whatever it be. It's like gotcha moments.
And you see these clips of him at these college campuses.

Speaker 6 Of course, it's not productive. He just wants clips for social media.
And I think people like Charlie Kirk are genuinely so bad for American politics, American society.

Speaker 6 And it's not because I disagree with Kirk. Plenty of people.
I disagree with you on things. We're having a good conversation.
But Charlie is just,

Speaker 6 it's rage bait. It's disingenuous.
It's clip farming basically.

Speaker 6 And I think that's a terrible way to operate in politics.

Speaker 5 Would you say yourself to a certain degree you're kind of in that when you're doing TikTok debates, though?

Speaker 6 Oh, 100%. I mean, that's why I kind of haven't really done TikTok debates all that much anymore.
I was doing them a lot before the election. But after the election, I kind of just sat with it.

Speaker 6 I'm like, is this really changing anybody's mind?

Speaker 6 Is this just scotching moments or trying to make a certain amount of money or whatever it might be?

Speaker 6 It's just like, I got into politics on a local level before I even started social media because I care and I want to bring bring about change and that applies to every American regardless of political affiliation.

Speaker 6 And I really felt like these debates that have started to plague social media, they don't change anything. They just further polarize us.
That's true.

Speaker 6 And, you know, you get a fun clip, you get a million view clips or whatever, but I don't know. I'm more focused on the change.

Speaker 5 It's a good

Speaker 5 topic because as someone that moderates debates, I don't want it to get into a circus. I don't want it to be a circus show.
I want it to be productive.

Speaker 5 I want both sides to voice their opinions, and I want the audience to decide how they feel.

Speaker 6 No, and that's the way I think debates should be.

Speaker 6 But the unfortunate reality of social media, you know this, I know this, anybody that makes content knows this, is that things like that, they don't do as well.

Speaker 5 Not nearly as well. Not nearly as well.
So you got to sprinkle in some sound bites.

Speaker 6 I mean, if you want it to be successful and get views, then you got to have some of those moments where it's like, oh, Charlie Kirk destroyed or X, Y, and Z destroyed.

Speaker 6 But does that actually help society? Does that convince anybody? I don't think so.

Speaker 5 Did you watch Charlie at Cambridge?

Speaker 6 His debates that did. I think it got destroyed personally.
I think, did you watch it at all?

Speaker 5 Yeah, well, now you can actually, it's kind of cool. You could throw in debates into like Chat GPT and ask for like a grading system.
No way. Yeah.
So I threw that one in there. It said he lost

Speaker 5 because that was unedited. And I feel like those guys did their research that he was debating against.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I actually, there was one of the girls who debated him. I talked to her very briefly on TikTok DM.

Speaker 6 She followed me. I followed her back.
We became mutuals. And

Speaker 6 she was just talking about the experience and how the consensus among them was that they obviously won. And Charlie, I think he got pretty badly embarrassed.

Speaker 6 Not that he didn't know. He knows things.
He's not dumb. He's a dummy.

Speaker 6 But these kids, these guys,

Speaker 6 not kids,

Speaker 6 that sounds pejorative.

Speaker 6 These debaters, really well informed on the minute details as well, which I thought was impressive.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I was impressed because they are young, you know, 18, 19, 20 years old.

Speaker 5 I was impressed. Did you see the Mehdi Hassan debate on Jubilee?

Speaker 6 What did you think of that one? I did.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Surrounded is an interesting one. I'd love to go on Surrounded.

Speaker 5 I'll set that up for you.

Speaker 6 Please, I would love to do 1v20.

Speaker 5 Would you do a 1v20 Republican or what would you want to do?

Speaker 6 Whatever. I do 1v20 MAGA, Republican, whatever it might be,

Speaker 6 because they just look fun. Yeah.
But I also think that does fall in the category of unproductive, but whatever, it's fine.

Speaker 6 The Mehdi Hassan debate was

Speaker 6 like

Speaker 6 so eye-opening and I think depressing. I was just, when I was watching a lot of these people come up and openly acknowledge that they're fascists

Speaker 6 or

Speaker 6 you know, essentially making excuses for Hitler,

Speaker 6 that, that, that, I think, spells a broader problem in American politics with the kind of extremism that has

Speaker 6 come about, especially on the right. And I think like they're crazy people on the left, 100%.

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 6 with a more acceptance acceptance of like Hitler, the Nazis in World War II, of fascism generally, of the idea that government should, you know, stop gay people from marrying or stop people from engaging in certain economic activity if they want to, or voicing their opinions on certain issues, that to me is really scary.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I will say that was the most impressed I've seen a Democrat debate ever, I think.

Speaker 5 I think he swept the floor.

Speaker 6 I think he swept the floor with them, too. It wasn't even close.
It wasn't close. No, and yeah, shout out to him, man.

Speaker 6 I love Mediasan.

Speaker 5 I didn't know who he was before that video.

Speaker 6 But yeah, I was super impressed.

Speaker 5 I started watching him more. Shout out to Mediasan.

Speaker 6 He used to have a show on MSNBC, and now he has, I think it's Zetio, is his independent media company, and that's apparently incredibly successful.

Speaker 6 I think they just hit like a million subscribers or something. Yeah, so really, they're doing great.
And Mediasan is really smart. He even released this book that I thought was great.
I read it.

Speaker 6 It's like, how to win any debate. Really? So he's very skilled.
I need to read that book. Yeah, it's fantastic.

Speaker 6 And yeah, I just, I think these, the problem that these far-right people fall into, these fascists, openly proclaimed fascists, is that their arguments just crumble under scrutiny.

Speaker 6 Just a little bit of pushback, and you find that the guy who's advocating for more government intervention on individual liberties or, you know, sympathizing with awful dictators throughout history, you're not going to get anywhere with that.

Speaker 5 It's a tough argument because when you look at history, they've all failed, right?

Speaker 6 All failed. And it's not even been close to succeeding.
It's all just been

Speaker 5 catastrophic failures.

Speaker 6 Yeah, and I think the problem that they have to grapple with is like, okay, great, you have a fascist. Would you,

Speaker 6 what happens if in this dictatorship one day a left-wing leader comes to power? Would you be okay with that? And it's obviously they wouldn't be.

Speaker 5 They're biased. Yeah, right.

Speaker 5 Why did Roger Stone block you?

Speaker 6 Yeah, fuck that guy. Fuck Roger Stone.
That guy is such a weasel. You know, criminal, indicted so many different times, had to get pardoned by Donald Trump.
Creepy,

Speaker 6 you know, a guy. Izzy's a creepy dude.
You see him.

Speaker 6 You know, he's a weird-looking guy. I don't know why he blocked me.
I just found one day that he blocked me on social media.

Speaker 5 Interesting. Did did you make a video about him?

Speaker 6 Not that I. Or a tweet?

Speaker 6 I mean, maybe a tweet, but not that I recall.

Speaker 6 There's a lot of Republicans who have me blocked. The current CIA director.
No. Yeah, CIA director has me blocked.
What? Yes, on Twitter.

Speaker 5 Current CIA director.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think it's John Ratcliffe.

Speaker 5 I don't know if that should be allowed if they're current.

Speaker 6 It's not allowed. That's what I'm saying.
It's not allowed. I believe it's actually his professional account as well.
It's not his personal. They can block me in the personal.

Speaker 6 But the CIA director, I'm like,

Speaker 6 what did I do to you? First of all, you're the CIA director. I want to follow you.

Speaker 6 Regardless if you're in the Trump administration, I want to know what the CIA is up to.

Speaker 5 That's surprising because to me, you're such a nice dude. Like, even when you're debating, you're not really yelling at people.

Speaker 6 I appreciate that. I don't know.
A lot of Republicans very much dislike me. And I don't care about that.

Speaker 5 Was it a specific stance you took? Then you started noticing that? Or was it just overall, I guess?

Speaker 6 I think it's just overall. I think it's

Speaker 6 I can be very

Speaker 6 passionate. Passionate.
I think I can be very passionate.

Speaker 5 Well, you were defending Biden till the end, so it could have been that.

Speaker 6 I still defend Biden. I'd still right now.

Speaker 5 Even with stage five, you're going to...

Speaker 6 I would still defend Biden right now, 100%.

Speaker 5 Who has better cognitive abilities right now, Biden or Trump?

Speaker 6 Biden. Stop it.
Biden.

Speaker 6 Biden. Stop it.
Dude, Trump the other day said, I mean, there's so many different examples. The other day, he said he was going to Russia to meet Putin.
They're meeting in Alaska.

Speaker 6 They're meeting in Anchorage. He said twice at this press conference that he's doing that.
He has all these different weird moments.

Speaker 6 Like before the election, he talked about Hannibal Elector being a real person.

Speaker 6 What? If Biden did that, if Biden did any of these things, talked about Hannibal Elector being real, or I don't know if you saw that weird rant that Trump went on about boats, sharks, batteries.

Speaker 6 If Biden did any of those things, Republicans would lose their minds.

Speaker 5 Well, to be fair, Biden wasn't giving as many press conferences.

Speaker 6 No, he wasn't. I mean, and I don't, I don't, a lot of people say it's because of his mental ability.
I think it's just a different way of

Speaker 6 communicating with the American people now, that being like social media. You have a lot of podcasts.

Speaker 6 It could be both. Right, whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 6 i think he did a lot of podcasts you know a lot of podcasts trump did yeah and um

Speaker 6 but uh no i think i think trump like when you hear him speak he's all over the place he cannot keep a thought straight when he does speak he rambles for hours and he's completely out of the loop like his own team seems to be keeping him out of the loop he's been asked about tariffs recently and a reporter when he was on the tarmac of this airport was asking hey are the tariffs going to go into effect in august and he had no idea he's like what tariffs wow and his his treasury secretary next to him had to correct correct him.

Speaker 6 It's like, what? How does the president of the United States, this is his main policy, main economic policy? How does he not know this? Yeah.

Speaker 6 But I don't know. I know people will disagree with me on that.
I just think Trump is totally gone.

Speaker 5 I mean, if we're being honest, Trump's pushing, what, 80 now?

Speaker 6 He's 79.

Speaker 5 79. Doesn't have the best diet from what I've heard.
Drinking a lot of Cokes.

Speaker 6 I heard he barely drinks water.

Speaker 5 I saw some interview with a guy was like, I've never seen Trump drink water.

Speaker 6 Oh, that's good. Great.

Speaker 6 Yeah. And by the way, just to circle back to our original conversation, this is the administration talking to us about health.
The guy who doesn't drink water, you know, that's crazy.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 5 My whole thing with like health is like, why am I going to listen to the government for health advice? I'm going to listen to the best doctors and the best wellness coaches. Exactly.

Speaker 6 That's also the Democratic Party's position.

Speaker 5 Oh, really?

Speaker 6 Yeah. Like, I don't think that

Speaker 6 you should... Like, if Joe Biden gets into office and he says, oh, you should do X, Y, and Z for your health.
Like, I think he probably is basing that recommendation off of...

Speaker 6 his advisors and people who know more than him.

Speaker 6 But I would recommend you talk to your doctor. Talk to a medical professional.

Speaker 6 Please don't listen to people like RFK. Please listen to people with medical degrees.

Speaker 6 The amount of studying, work, and things that went into them becoming who they are is really hard to fathom for your person who doesn't work in the medical field.

Speaker 6 But these people know what they're talking about. So listen to your doctor.
Don't listen to like a politician. That's perfectly fine with me.

Speaker 5 So do you think there was any health cover-up, though, with Biden's health or no?

Speaker 6 I mean, if there was, then they did a really bad job, at least when it comes to me, because I met Biden twice. And when I met him, there was never any restrictions.

Speaker 6 I interviewed him. They didn't know the questions beforehand.
They let me ask whatever. I met him in the Oval Office.
We got to chat. The whole interactions on video.
I posted on social media.

Speaker 6 And there were times where

Speaker 6 I didn't have one-on-one meetings, but I saw him speak, or he came into a White House meeting that we were at and spoke to us. So there was never any restrictions when we would meet him.

Speaker 6 I just think that a lot of the

Speaker 6 coverage around Biden's mental ability is really selective clips on social media. I think if you follow somebody around with a camera 24-7, they're bound to slip up.

Speaker 6 And if you can cut them in a way that makes them look like they're stuck in the city.

Speaker 5 I mean, I'm young and I slip up on the podcast all the time.

Speaker 6 Totally, right? I do the exact same thing. And so do I think Biden got older? 100%.

Speaker 6 He certainly aged during his term. But do I think that he's like this dementia-ridden patient who has no idea what's no, not at all.

Speaker 5 I've seen old videos of Biden, like when he was in his 30s, 40s, and he was a beast.

Speaker 6 He was tall. He was killer.
Yeah, he was killer. And I don't think that, I don't think I would deny, you know, I'm a big Biden defender.

Speaker 6 I would not deny that obviously the Biden of 20 years ago is different than the Biden of today, but that's aging. And I think,

Speaker 6 you know, a lot of his advisors, there's nobody that was in Biden's inner circle that came out and said, yeah, I was worried about the president. You know, they were all,

Speaker 6 these are folks who had worked with Biden before, hadn't worked with Biden before. And they were all like, you know, he was making decisions in a sharp way.

Speaker 6 And I think public persona is different than private, obviously. But I just personally didn't have any major concerns with that.

Speaker 5 What would it take for you to vote right in 2028?

Speaker 6 Oh, what would it take to vote right in 2022?

Speaker 5 What candidate are you liking on the right?

Speaker 5 Do you like Vance?

Speaker 6 No, no, I think Vance sucks. I think that guy's like a genuine loser.
I think

Speaker 6 he's just managed. He's a smart guy.
I mean, he's smart. He's very, very well-educated, Yale grad.

Speaker 5 Well-networked, pro-crypto, which I like.

Speaker 6 Well-networked. He's backed by Peter Thiel and Palantir, right? Yeah, and Palantir.
So I'm sure he'll probably do well and have a bunch of money to run a campaign.

Speaker 6 But I think he's just as bad as Donald Trump, and he's smarter than Donald Trump. I think he could be more dangerous.
But

Speaker 6 candidate on the right.

Speaker 5 It's really just Vance. I feel like maybe Tulsi, maybe Trump Jr.

Speaker 6 God, yeah, I wouldn't vote for any of those people.

Speaker 6 I like if like a Mark Cuban, for example, ran for the Republican side, which I don't think he would, but if he did, hypothetically, and the person on the left was somebody that I just vehemently disagree with, I'd vote for Mark Cuban.

Speaker 5 I like Cuban, too. I think he's cool.

Speaker 6 I think he's really smart. I think he's business-oriented and

Speaker 6 would probably need to brush up on foreign policy a little bit. That's That's a major part of the presidency.
But I think he'd be running for the presidency in good faith.

Speaker 5 I'll say this for the first time on air, but I might vote left in 28, dude.

Speaker 6 Wow.

Speaker 5 It's not out of the question.

Speaker 6 Wow.

Speaker 6 It wouldn't be Newsome, though.

Speaker 5 I know you like Newsome. I don't.
I wouldn't vote for Newsome.

Speaker 6 Who would you vote for?

Speaker 5 I'd have to see who it is by then, but I still feel like Vance has a lot to prove. I feel like Trump Jr.
has a lot to prove. Tulsi has some stuff to prove still.
So I don't know. It's open for me.

Speaker 5 It's 50-50.

Speaker 5 Is there any Democrat that you've seen publicly recently that you've been impressed by or no recently not really i know they're saying aoc they're saying bernie but bernie's too old now bernie's no bernie's like 86 right now he's way too old i i know newsum's the frontrunner and aoc is in second i think on polymarket yeah on polymarket they're um i think the top three or four what about pete buttigeg do you like pete i like him the most out of all those names I like Pete a lot.

Speaker 6 I just met with Pete recently, and, you know, you can disagree with him, but he is so smart. He speaks like 11 languages, which is a fun fact about Pete.
Yeah, like 11 different languages. Insane.

Speaker 6 And he plays a bunch of different instruments. This guy is just really wicked smart.

Speaker 6 And he's a veteran, served in Afghanistan. I love that.

Speaker 5 Yeah. And he debates, which I like.
I like when people on the left aren't afraid to debate people.

Speaker 6 Exactly. I think we need somebody like that in 2028, somebody that goes into Republican areas and is willing to have those conversations.
He does it all the time. He goes on Fox News.

Speaker 6 He goes on, you saw him on the Flagrant podcast with Andrew Schultz.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think I saw that one.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's a more right-leaning show. These days, yeah.

Speaker 5 Andrew went to the a lot of podcasters went right last election, but a lot of them are starting to get a lot of people.

Speaker 6 Yeah, so like, I'm actually, you're kind of in the, you're obviously in the podcast space, and I'm sure you have connections here.

Speaker 6 Do you think that that swing to the right is a temporary thing and it kind of just ebbs and flows with the country?

Speaker 5 It's looking like it's flowing more towards the center right now. Wow.
Because a lot of people are divided on the Eb scene stuff, the tariff stuff.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Trump's losing some podcasts for sure.

Speaker 5 Even Rogan, honestly, when he had Cash Patel on, that interview was weird. Yeah.
You know, I don't know if you saw that one, but it felt like Cash was hiding something. I don't know.

Speaker 6 Evil Cash, I mean,

Speaker 6 that's a totally, you know, a separate conversation for another day. Cash, I despise.

Speaker 6 I don't like Cash Patel at all. I think he's very partisan, which I think is,

Speaker 6 we certainly don't need that at the FBI.

Speaker 6 But yeah, no, Joe Rogan has been very critical of Trump recently with

Speaker 6 Schultz has been critical. Who are the other men?

Speaker 5 Eil Vaughn's been kind of having on people from Palestine.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Schultz has been critical. It might swing, dude.
I know the right dominated the pod scene in 24, but you guys have some talented young guys on the YouTube charts now, like Adam Mockler.

Speaker 6 I love Mockler. That's my guy.

Speaker 5 Who's the guy I just had on that you mentioned earlier? I forget.

Speaker 6 Oh, Keith Edwards.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Keith Edwards.

Speaker 6 Love Keith.

Speaker 5 You guys are coming in.

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 6 we have some very talented content creators on the left.

Speaker 6 The issue right now, and I've said this publicly before, the issue right now with the Democratic Party and content creators is that the Republican Party is still so supportive of their content creators, their right-wing guys.

Speaker 6 Yep. They, and not the party, I should say, but PAX will fund them.
Like all these Charlie Kirk guys, they just get millions upon millions of dollars to do what they do.

Speaker 6 And they don't have to worry about the cost.

Speaker 5 Making money on the internet. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 6 They just, all they have to do is, how can I win? How can we get my party to win? That's all they have to focus on.

Speaker 6 And the Democrats, right now, speaking from somebody who's very much in this, there's no fun. People think we're paid by the DNC.
I saw you at the older millennial say I was paid by the DNC.

Speaker 6 I saw that clip.

Speaker 6 Bryce Hall.

Speaker 5 Exposed you, though, for that. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 6 First of all, that Bryce Hall beef was so funny.

Speaker 6 No,

Speaker 6 there's, and I mean this sincerely, there's no, we do not get money to do this.

Speaker 5 Not directly.

Speaker 6 Indirectly, directly, we don't get money.

Speaker 5 But didn't your LLC get a check?

Speaker 6 I mean, I've done consulting. So, like,

Speaker 5 so I guess that's what it was.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it was consulting. And, like, I've worked with groups.
I worked with Planned Parenthood, for example, to make videos. And so whenever there's...

Speaker 6 a collaboration on a certain cause or a certain group, it's very clear. I make it clear that I'm working with somebody.
And there are like certain issues I've done

Speaker 6 collaborations with, Twitter, TikTok, and whatnot, about issues.

Speaker 5 We got to pay the bills. No, I get that part.
I have sponsors and stuff, too.

Speaker 6 Yeah, exactly. But

Speaker 6 for the most part, if you want to make money in political content, you go to the right. The left, really, we do not get.
a ton of PAC funding. We don't get donors coming in.

Speaker 6 We don't have sponsors or anything like that. Wow.
It's very, yeah. The Republicans are willing to do it.

Speaker 5 Yeah, dude, because I film out all of Charlie's events on Meteoro and it's thousands and thousands of people.

Speaker 5 I can't find an event like that on the left where I could set up my podcast, interview like 20 amazing people, dude.

Speaker 6 Yeah, and we need it.

Speaker 5 You guys need that because I would go. Exactly.
And I would give you guys a lot of eyeballs. Yes, you know, because I'm in the middle.
So like, you guys should figure that out for sure. 100%.

Speaker 5 Like, what's the setup at the DNC? Can you even film pods there?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, I was at the DNC in 2024

Speaker 6 in Chicago, and it was a lot of fun.

Speaker 6 But there wasn't really...

Speaker 6 It was really supportive for content creators they invited. So for myself, my friend Chris, Adam Mockler, who was there, like all of us, they were great.

Speaker 6 They really helped us create what we wanted to create, which was so encouraging for the future.

Speaker 6 But in terms of opposition, or even not even opposition, like center people like yourself, I don't think there was any real opportunity for someone like that.

Speaker 5 No media row there? No exhibitor hall?

Speaker 6 There was like, there was media row, but for cable. So there was like a CNN.

Speaker 5 That's old school. People don't watch that as much.
That's the thing.

Speaker 6 I would have loved to have... like a podcast row.

Speaker 5 Well, if you convince them for the next one, I'll be there.

Speaker 6 Hey, if I'm invited back in 2028, which I hope I am. You definitely won't be.
I mean, you're like the face of it. I appreciate it.
You're too con.

Speaker 6 Then I'll put in a good word.

Speaker 6 I'm advocating for one of the things I'm really focused on post-election is getting the party to actually embrace social media. And I'm not the only, I'm not like spearheading this effort.

Speaker 6 That's just been something I've behind the scenes been talking to people about. And that's not just like donor funding for people to make studios and editors and things like that, but also

Speaker 6 just more of a conversation-based approach to politics where folks like yourself can be part of the tent. I want you part of the tent.

Speaker 6 I don't want you to be in the center anymore. I want you to come over with us.

Speaker 5 I mean, I grew up left. I grew up in Jersey.
Yeah, my mom's right here. She knows.

Speaker 6 Can I ask her a question? Are you left-leaning or right-leaning?

Speaker 5 Now she's right. She can answer.
She can answer. Yes.
You are. Right now, yeah, I'm

Speaker 6 right.

Speaker 6 And did you vote for do you mind me asking if you voted for Trump?

Speaker 6 And you voted for Trump? But we grew up and voted.

Speaker 5 She voted left almost every time growing up, right?

Speaker 6 Did you vote for Biden in 2020? Yep.

Speaker 6 And you voted, so what what made you change you if you're okay with sharing oh i think one of the things you mentioned uh you know the the the whole actually this whole um

Speaker 6 you know presidential uh campaign stuff i watch a lot of videos i watch a lot of the you know whatever i i think pretty much the the social media created this you know um

Speaker 6 more for me to believe the you know the republican would do a better job

Speaker 5 I guess you got access to different information, is what she's saying.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Not the mainstream? Yes, not the mainstream.

Speaker 6 Interesting. And do you think that, like, do you think

Speaker 6 so? Who was your like main source of information when you were at the election? I've watched a lot of the the the big the the big guys

Speaker 5 podcasters the the the Rogan, the Theo Vaughn, Tom Billy used to watch.

Speaker 6 Tom Billy was the early days. Yeah.
But uh those are mostly for health purposes. Sure.

Speaker 6 Not so much for

Speaker 6 politics and so on. Do you still

Speaker 6 support Trump? Like do you regret your vote at all? Or are you...

Speaker 6 I'm not at the stage. I'm more at the Sean stage.

Speaker 5 It's kind of like

Speaker 5 has some doubts right now.

Speaker 6 Sure, yeah, but it's not like the Democrat, you know, there's still things that I need to be convinced on.

Speaker 6 Do you think it's possible for you to vote blue in 2028? I'm on similar. Same thing? You guys on the same page?

Speaker 5 I think it depends on how Trump does. Like, I think if he has a really bad and I'm pretty objective, I feel like.
So if he has a really bad th next three years,

Speaker 6 I can see it. Okay.
I'm going to make it part of my mission to get you to vote for him. I'm going to make it part of my mission.

Speaker 6 I just want to add, when you say, you know, Gavin Newsom, you know, I I recently watched one of the interviews.

Speaker 5 Sorry of a CEO, right?

Speaker 6 Yes. And he's he's making a big, you know, sort of uh uh a commitment or conviction to you know beef up his his uh so you know the social media and the podcast.

Speaker 6 He thinks that's one of the reasons they lost. Yeah.

Speaker 6 I mean, I totally agree. I think Newsom's strategy to go not only have his own podcast, but go into these other more right-leaning podcasts is great.

Speaker 6 And I think even for someone like yourself or yourself or anybody who

Speaker 6 listens to these guys, that could definitely convince people to vote Blue over the long term. 100%.
I think, and that's part of the reason why I like Gavin Newsome a lot.

Speaker 6 I know you're not huge on him, but...

Speaker 6 I just think he's willing to have those conversations and he's willing to, you know, he's willing to fight fire with fire.

Speaker 5 Well, I like that that part about him yeah yeah i just thought he handled the fires bad i thought when the man who was it the president of china came in he cleared all the homeless people out of san fran i thought that was weird okay and do you have like any major specific policy disagreements or do you just kind of like those kind of i can't speak on i'll be honest i do not know policy stuff that's okay i'm more like a broader kind of guy well we're a ways away you know he hasn't even said he's running for president yeah i'm gonna hopefully i get a contact with his team because i'm gonna encourage him to i really want him to i'd love to interview him too so that'd be great and i think he would genuinely do it that'd be awesome i I think he would.

Speaker 5 I did want to ask this. I don't know if it's too personal, but did you ever make up with Dean, Dean and Parker? No.
Wow. Because it's been some time since that incident.

Speaker 6 It's been some time.

Speaker 6 I had to be very careful with how I speak about this, but no,

Speaker 6 we never made up.

Speaker 6 I don't think there's a future where we do. Whoa.
Yeah, no, I mean,

Speaker 6 you know,

Speaker 6 they're

Speaker 5 how do I how do I I honestly hate to hear that and I'm not even on the left but I just feel like you guys were really killing it when you were all.

Speaker 6 I mean, look, look, I won't say, I won't rule out anything, but I would need a pretty big

Speaker 6 apology? Like, I don't know if apology is the right word, like a show of remorse from how they handled it and how they,

Speaker 6 I would argue, didn't listen to what I had to say regarding anything.

Speaker 5 I think from their point of view, they were probably scared of getting attached into it, right? Probably scared of getting canceled or whatever.

Speaker 6 I think it was

Speaker 6 like, I don't want to, I have a a lot of, I've, I'm principled on this that I don't want to reveal private conversations. Yeah, yeah, respect.

Speaker 6 But from the conversations we had, and I won't quote them,

Speaker 6 it was

Speaker 6 business certainly factored into the decision.

Speaker 5 So they put business before, okay.

Speaker 6 I think, I think that's part of it. And maybe they just have moral disagreement.
And, like, I'm not here to trash talk them. I haven't, the, another thing I haven't done since then is trash talk them.

Speaker 6 I haven't gone publicly and said, oh, they fuck them. These guys suck.
And I won't do that. Respect.

Speaker 6 We're adults.

Speaker 6 And I,

Speaker 6 they have chosen to to conduct themselves in one way, which is they, even after the fact, I don't know how recently it's been, but they have spoken badly about myself or my friends.

Speaker 6 I won't do that. I won't go to that level.
And I, I, you know, we're on the same side. We're fighting for the same thing.
So

Speaker 6 I'm not going to, I'm not going to attack them. But I'm, I'm, I'm still pretty disappointed with how they handled that.

Speaker 5 Um, yeah, I thought by now, because that was like almost a year ago, right?

Speaker 6 It was, it was actually uh in March of the time.

Speaker 5 Oh, in March, okay. So six months.

Speaker 6 So six months.

Speaker 5 I thought it'd be hashed out by now, man. Wow.

Speaker 6 You think, and, and you guys were tight too we were yeah i mean you know we we we texted we did some debates together um dean is actually signed to my same management team oh wow and i was i was the one recommending him to get signed wow yeah which is you know it is what it is it is what it is that's that's that's life you know you have falling outs and uh people don't mesh and it's fine you know it's it's we're we're we're adults again i think that's important to remember um

Speaker 6 but I'm being very deliberate. I apologize for that.

Speaker 5 No, you're good. Respect for taking the high rail, though.
I actually really do respect not airing out dirty laundry. But dude, it's it's been awesome.

Speaker 5 Can't wait to see what you do in the future, man. Thanks for having me.
Absolutely, bro.

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